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EP 96 - What's Love Got To Do With It?

Special When Lit·podcast_episode·59m 44s·analyzed·Jun 12, 2023
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TL;DR

Casual podcast ep mixing personal life updates, Tina Turner tribute, and bathroom/dating etiquette debate.

Summary

Special When Lit Episode 96 is a casual, largely non-pinball conversation between hosts Ken Cromwell, Bill Webb, and Steve Beattie. The episode opens with personal updates (weather, house painting, family activities), transitions into a discussion about Tina Turner's death and nostalgic music memories from childhood, and culminates in an extended tangent about bathroom privacy, food choices on dates, and household dynamics. The hosts briefly acknowledge their shift away from pinball-heavy content due to Ken's employment at Jersey Jack and the prevalence of pinball news coverage elsewhere.

Key Claims

  • Galloping Ghost arcade is expanding and bought a building

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell mentions that Doc Mack, owner of Galloping Ghost (described as the largest arcade in the United States, located in Brookfield), has been buying up buildings on the surrounding block.

  • Special When Lit podcast shifted away from daily pinball news coverage because Ken works for Jersey Jack and other podcasts cover news better

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell explicitly states that working for a pinball company makes it inappropriate to comment on other companies' news, and that other podcasts provide better coverage of current pinball news.

  • High Speed (Williams, 1980s) made 20,000 units and lacked clear coat, causing playfield deterioration

    high confidence · Bill Webb references High Speed's manufacturing run and explains the lack of Diamond Coat protection led to 'roached-out' machines.

  • Diamond Coat became standard on Williams machines from 1989-1990 onward, with major releases like Terminator 2 (15,000 units), Addams Family (20,000 units), and Twilight Zone (15,000 units)

    high confidence · Bill Webb cites specific production numbers for Williams games from the late 80s/early 90s that had protective clear coat.

  • Pinball is currently at an all-time high in its recent resurgence over the last 7-8 years despite competing against smartphones, tablets, internet, and VR

    medium confidence · Ken Cromwell asserts that pinball growth is remarkable given modern technological competition, citing barcades expanding and new people entering the hobby.

  • Williams' decline in the mid-1990s was partly driven by slot machine profitability and arcade closures, not pinball alone

    medium confidence · Bill Webb explains that slot machines became more profitable for Williams (a publicly traded company) and arcades were closing, reducing pinball demand.

  • A new friend of a friend is buying their first pinball machine

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell mentions someone through a chain of friends is excited to buy their first pinball machine, indicating new market entry.

Notable Quotes

  • “I feel like I'm living in San Diego. It was a nice day. I feel like I'm on fire.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 0:38 — Opening energy and tone-setting remark about pleasant weather.

  • “Times have changed, guys. Again, just a reminder. Two things. Number one, there are a lot of unbelievable podcasts that are covering the current pinball news.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 10:51 — Justifies the show's pivot away from hard pinball news due to industry employment and competitor coverage.

  • “It costs a little money to just be on the internet.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 14:19 — Explains Patreon rationale and production costs.

  • “The kids were like, we don't want you to leave because it was like back-to-back weeks of picking up a pinball.”

    Bill Webb@ 15:41 — Illustrates the tension between pinball hobby commitments and family life; father guilt.

  • “And what an awesome person. And, I mean, I feel like it's so sad, and she will definitely be missed, and especially with what she had done for music and all that she'd overcome.”

    Bill Webb@ 17:14 — Tribute to Tina Turner's legacy and cultural impact.

  • “What's Love Got to Do With It?”

    Multiple hosts (song title reference)@ 17:51 — Reference to iconic Tina Turner song that became the episode title and inspired the nostalgic music conversation.

  • “I don't feel comfortable doing in front of my wife out of respect for her and myself. Like, for instance, like I would never go to the bathroom with the door open.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 26:56 — Illustrates boundary-setting and respect in long-term marriage dynamics.

Entities

Ken CromwellpersonBill WebbpersonSteve BeattiepersonSpecial When Lit Pinball PodcastorganizationJersey Jack PinballcompanyGalloping Ghost ArcadevenueDoc MackpersonFlippin' Out PinballorganizationFree Play Pinball Podcastorganization

Signals

  • $

    market_signal: Ken reports a new friend-of-friend is excited to buy their first pinball machine, indicating organic growth in the collector/enthusiast base beyond existing community

    high · Ken states: 'I got a friend of a friend of a friend. they played a pinball machine and they were like, hey, we're looking for this machine. And they were very excited to buy their first pinball machine.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Ken emphasizes pinball's current all-time high in recent resurgence (7-8 years) despite unprecedented competition from digital entertainment and mobile gaming

    high · Ken: 'pinball is at an all time high when you consider its recent resurgence, say over the last seven, eight years... we are absolutely at the most technologically advanced part of our lives and timeline.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Special When Lit is deliberately reducing pinball news coverage and shifting toward broader cultural topics due to Ken's employment at Jersey Jack and saturation of news coverage by other pinball podcasts

    high · Ken: 'with myself working in the industry for a pinball company, it's just not appropriate or professional for me to be commenting on pinball news that discusses other companies and their decisions.'

  • ?

    venue_signal: Galloping Ghost Arcade in Brookfield, Illinois (described as largest US arcade) is expanding by purchasing surrounding buildings under owner Doc Mack

    high · Ken: 'Galloping Ghost is expanding? Yes, they bought a building... Doc Mack... has been quite the entrepreneur out there with not only running that arcade but buying up buildings on the surrounding block'

  • ?

Topics

Podcast format evolution and news coverage strategyprimaryPinball market resurgence and new player entryprimaryHistorical pinball manufacturing and playfield durability (Diamond Coat, Williams games)primaryGalloping Ghost Arcade expansionprimaryWork-life balance in pinball hobby (streaming, podcasting, family obligations)secondaryTina Turner tribute and nostalgic music memoriessecondaryDating etiquette and food choices (Mexican food, green sauce)mentionedBathroom privacy and household boundaries in marriagementioned

Sentiment

positive(0.75)— Episode is warm, nostalgic, and celebratory of pinball's resurgence. Hosts share personal anecdotes with humor and affection. Tribute to Tina Turner is respectful. No hostile or negative sentiment toward individuals or companies, though discussion of pinball's historical decline is factual rather than critical. Extended tangent about personal boundaries and family life is lighthearted and relatable.

Transcript

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0:00
coming at you out of st charles illinois the special when lit pinball podcast starts now hey what's going on pinball land welcome to episode 96 that is the nine six of the special when lit podcast my name is ken cromwell i am bill webb and i'm steve beattie there's some Energy in the building today, boys. I can feel it for whatever reason.
0:30
The weather out here in Chicago is amazing. Driving into work today, it was like about 68 degrees, and before I went home, it was about 72 degrees. I feel like I'm living in San Diego. It was a nice day. I feel like I'm on fire. When you're out in the sun all day, that tends to happen. I was out in the sun all day. You know, is it just me, or you love being, like, feeling the sun on your skin and then getting home and walking into the, like, ice-cold house, and you're like, uh-huh. It's a beautiful thing, though. Okay. Like, we keep the house at 68, so people walk in and they're like...
1:00
Oh, see? I prefer a house at 68, but my wife, for whatever reason, thinks it should be like 10 degrees the other way. It's 70. Whoa! I come in here and it's like... Okay, 70's not terrible. It's amazingly warm, so we compromise. I get it to about, in the evenings, about 72 degrees, but I would prefer it at about 68, 69, all year round. Dude, it's 66 at night when we go to bed. See? That's great. I'm dropping it to 64, maybe 62. depending on how toasty I am. But I am also the type of person that likes to, in the wintertime,
1:31
I'll crack a window, I'll get that cool air going, and I have a fan on the floor, the Vornado fan, which you're supposed to use with indirect wind blasts. You're supposed to hit it in the corner. You're supposed to kind of get that residual kind of movement of air around you. No, I vortex right to the face, and then I've got the ceiling fan going in the room too. I'm getting double blasted by airflow with the window open. But there's only one desktop fan, and that is the Vornado. Anyways, you've been getting a lot of sun lately. I can see it right now.

  • Ken Cromwell has video projects in editing that include a mini-documentary expected to be 9-10 minutes related to Jersey Jack

    high confidence · Ken states he is working on video editing projects, including a mini-documentary from last year that the company is excited to share.

  • Special When Lit podcast started in July 2018 (July 4th week) and has evolved from pinball-only coverage to broader topics

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell confirms the podcast launch date and explains the format shift over time.

  • Bill Webb's wife is a teacher and recent life events (eighth grade dance, graduation, rehearsals) have made scheduling the Monday night stream harder

    high confidence · Bill Webb explains recent family scheduling conflicts that impacted streaming availability.

    • “Bill and I still stream on Monday nights. Every other Monday it seems like.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 14:28 — Confirms ongoing Flippin' Out streaming schedule.

  • “a month and a half ago, the kids were like, we really miss you. Dad, don't leave. And I felt father guilt.”

    Bill Webb@ 15:54 — Poignant moment capturing work-life balance struggles in the hobby community.

  • “pinball is at an all time high when you consider its recent resurgence, say over the last seven, eight years.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 8:34 — Key market observation about pinball's current trajectory relative to historical context.

    • Amanda Hamiltonperson
    Tina Turnerperson
    Williams Electronicscompany
    Marvin Gayeperson

    historical_signal: Discussion of playfield protection evolution: Williams' High Speed (1980s, 20k units) lacked clear coat causing rapid deterioration, while Diamond Coat standard (1989+) on Terminator 2, Addams Family, Twilight Zone, etc. (100k+ units) enabled longevity

    high · Bill: 'High Speed made 20,000 units. It didn't have a clear coat... Fast forward to 89, 90, World Wind Era, that's when the Diamond Coat really became a thing on every single game.'

  • ?

    business_signal: Williams' mid-1990s decline was multifactorial: arcade closures, competition from arcade games (Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter 2, NBA Jam), and greater profitability of slot machines for a publicly traded company

    medium · Bill: 'arcades started closing down in the late 90s... they weren't as popular... Williams... were making a lot more money on the slot machines. And they were a publicly traded company.'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Ken Cromwell is actively producing video content for Jersey Jack, including a pending mini-documentary (9-10 minutes) from last year that the company is planning to share

    high · Ken: 'I have a few things that I have in the can that I'm going through the editing process with... I'm pretty excited about one of these because I think it's going to be a little bit of a mini documentary that took place last year.'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Bill Webb reports scheduling difficulty for Monday night Flippin' Out streams due to wife's teaching schedule, children's activities (soccer, gymnastics, school events), and competing podcast obligations (Free Play, Special When Lit)

    high · Bill: 'with summer schedule and stuff coming up lately, it's been a little bit more hard... My wife is a teacher... Last night was graduation for the kids. And then Monday night they had rehearsal'

  • ?

    community_signal: Ken acknowledges multiple high-quality pinball podcasts now covering news (referencing others doing excellent work), indicating a mature and competitive podcast landscape that reduces need for Special When Lit to focus on breaking news

    high · Ken: 'there are a lot of unbelievable podcasts that are covering the current pinball news... So we're kind of covering pinball topics and stories that are not newsworthy because you're going to be consuming that news... through all these other podcasts.'

    • 2:02
    What are you doing? You're outside, I'm assuming. Yeah, so we did a little boating this past weekend, and I'm still painting my house. So I was out there again today doing work, little hours. I envision this like 45,000 square foot house at this point. Yeah, not even close. That you've been painting for like several weeks. I've not been in your house. Three coats will kill you. Yeah, I can imagine. Never again. But, yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Still painting. Yeah, still painting. How are you, Bill? Just work. Work's been kind of crazy, as usual.
    2:35
    But, I mean, I'd rather that than slow. And then this previous weekend, we were ripping it up with the daughter, doing donuts on the ATVs. And she rode the go-kart that I got when I was in second grade for the first time. So, it was a proud moment. That one actually really caught me off guard. Like, you know, just kind of tugged at the heartstrings. Yeah, I bet, man. And then she almost crashed it, and that moment was over, so we're good. Get it back on the wall. Honestly, it was back up the next day. She's still hanging from the wall in the go-kart, right?
    3:05
    Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. She's, no, you know what, whatever. It's just a toy, but it was just a nice family heirloom to see her drive it. Yeah, that is cool. Her brother got really upset because he couldn't drive it, so I can't fit in it. So Jamie jumped in and then threw Billy on her lap, and they were doing rips around the neighborhood. and uh yeah i mean that was fun um yeah so that's about it ken what's going on with you sir you know a lot has been going on work's been pretty fun lately i've been doing a lot of video
    3:35
    editing and for anybody out there that's done video editing you know that it's a time consuming process but it's very rewarding at the end uh it's one of those things that i always wanted to put more time into when i started working with jersey jack pinball and right now there are a few things that I have in the can that I'm going through the editing process with. And I'm pretty excited about one of these because I think it's going to be a little bit of a mini documentary that took place last year. And I think when it's all said and done, it might come in around nine or ten minutes.
    4:07
    It'll be something that the company is a big part of, and it's something we're excited to share. But we can talk more about that down the road. I got a friend of a friend of a friend. they played a pinball machine and they were like, hey, we're looking for this machine. And they were very excited to buy their first pinball machine. So now they're actually getting ready to pull the trigger. So to hear that, it was nice to know that new people that don't own pinball are still getting into it. When you think about what had happened in the past with pinball, there were always major factors
    4:38
    that weighed into it kind of waning or fading away. And you can speak to this probably better than I have, or better than I can And just because, I mean, you've deep-dived this subject several times. But I know just the console or the arcade gaming industry, console gaming impacted pinball. And then ultimately, back in the heyday, arguably like the mid to late 90s, slot machines kind of took precedent over at WMS.
    5:08
    And that kind of caused them to kind of cease to place importance on new pinball production. Well, it did, and honestly, the other big fail on that one was, let's think back 10 years prior from the mid-'90s to high speed, right? Okay, yeah. So high speed made 20,000 units. It didn't have a clear coat over the play field or diamond coat, as they would call it. XR7. So what would happen is, honestly, if you've seen an old roached-out high speed, it's because it didn't have a clear on it.
    5:38
    So a lot of those 80s games really took a beating because they didn't have the greatest template for success for longevity. Fast forward to 89, 90, World Wind Era, that's when the Diamond Coat really became a thing on every single game. And especially when you figured like Terminator 2, 15,000 units. Addams Family, 20,000 units. Twilight Zone, 15,000. Fishtails was, I think, 15,000. Getaway was 15,000. Star Trek Next Gen was another 10,000. and Indiana Jones was close to 10,000.
    6:10
    So, I mean, I ripped off, what, about 100,000 games right there with a play field that's better suited to last for longevity? So what really did that in back in the day was they really didn't need a whole lot of replacing of the pinball machines because they were holding up just fine. They weren't worn down to wood like the high speeds, your F-14s, from that era, right? And then, of course, too, the other issue... So wait a minute, just to visit this, are you suggesting that because these products were lasting longer that the continued kind of revenue or purchasing
    6:41
    impacted pinball's ability back in the day to kind of stay relevant absolutely i mean that was a big factor the machines just lasted a lot longer and then don't forget too arcades started closing down in the late 90s they weren't as popular right and you have to realize even you know if you weren't into pinball mortal combat was a thing street fighter 2 was a thing nba jam was a thing you can't tell me you didn't play nba jam on location of course i to this day i will still go out and try to play nba jam and towards like the mid you know mid 90s i still remember like revolution x
    7:13
    and some of those games but they were not nearly as popular um they were popular but not to the success of mortal combat when that launched so i mean i think that really helped put the final nail in the coffin for you know williams when they were making a lot more money on the slot machines And they were a publicly traded company. And they were making more money on the slot machines. I don't recall what episode of Special Winlet it was, but do you remember us replaying the old podcast audio of Python Angelo talking about clear coat and play field protectors?
    7:49
    You know, Python's not with us any longer. And just kind of being in the industry now, I've heard so many amazing stories about Python Angelo. Like, I wish I had met the gentleman because it's just it's legendary. That's that's legendary status stories and life experiences from from Python Angelo. So I don't have the stories that you have. But from what I've heard, it sounded like he was like a rock star. But so the reason I'm bringing this up right now is so when I think about the past and I think about things that had impacted pinball's ability to kind of be prosperous and to move forward.
    8:21
    I mean, we are absolutely at the most technologically advanced part of our lives and timeline. Okay. So there's a lot of options in which you can kind of choose to consume your free time. Yet pinball is at an all time high when you consider its recent resurgence, say over the last seven, eight years. Resurgence, technological advances. Yes. Barcades. Locations still exploding. Side note, did you see Galloping Ghost is expanding?
    8:54
    Yes, they bought a building. So Galloping Ghost, for those who don't know, I think it's the United States' largest arcade. It's in Brookfield. Owner is Doc Mack, and Doc has been quite the entrepreneur out there with not only running that arcade but buying up buildings on the surrounding block and making them part of the whole Galloping Ghost almost corporation at this point, I would say. And they have a lot of rare and cool stuff, too. definitely a neat place to get a chance to check it out so but anyways just to go back to this for a second
    9:25
    again and the reason I brought this up is because there's in my eyes so much more that would be competing against pinball right now that if you kind of weigh the past should significantly be impacting its ability to you know grow and it's just not the case so but it's competing against the internet the tablet the smartphone I mean just to name a few gaming consoles virtual reality the gaming counseling yeah virtual reality gaming councils right now are at their peak as you know when you weigh it against the past it's an exciting time
    9:59
    uh for pinball and to see it competing and growing in this space very very exciting so for those of you that are along for the ride those of you that are considering getting into the hobby um jump in now because it's it's an it's ride the train two two let's go very cool stuff though so yeah Long-winded way of saying there are still new people getting into pinball, and that's good stuff because it's definitely adding more value to the community.
    10:34
    All right, Bill and Steve, we're going to talk a little bit about a couple topics that had happened recently, not pinball related. And listen, if you've been listening to this podcast back in the day, we started this podcast back in July. I think it was July 4th week in 2018. Correct. Completely pinball. Pinball news. That's what we covered. Times have changed, guys. Again, just a reminder. Two things. Number one, there are a lot of unbelievable podcasts that are covering the current pinball news. So we're kind of covering pinball topics and stories that are not newsworthy because you're going to be consuming that news, top of mind story stuff through all these other podcasts.
    11:09
    And we thank them for providing the content. And the other thing, too, with myself working in the industry for a pinball company, it's just not appropriate or professional for me to be commenting on pinball news that discusses other companies and their decisions. Hence, there and for the lesser pinball content we have. Which is why we're not as pinball heavy. But I also think that it's for those of you that rely on the pinball news sometimes. And I'm not saying this is the case with the other podcasts that are covering the news because they're doing a great job. But sometimes there's not a lot of news to cover.
    11:42
    And that's when you're like, hey, these guys that I know that I'm comfortable with, that I already feel like are in my living room, we're all buddies, right? We're all family. I want to hear their thoughts on some trending topics. So we're going to lead into some trending topics. And Bill Webb's going to glide us in there right now. So another one that happened, fun fact, is I say fun fact and Bill's fun fact. That'll be an intro for that. Bill who died. Because, again, the inside joke is a lot of Bill's fun facts are just really not – they're not fun appropriate.
    12:13
    They're not fun. It's about agony and sad and death and destruction. But go ahead, Bill. I'm waiting for the funeral home to sponsor the segment. But anywho, yours. How about this? Bill's fun facts. Do we make it a segment or not? Do we drain it or save it? Email us at specialwhenlitpodcast at gmail.com. If you want a segment out of this with Bill's fun facts, which tend to not be as fun as you would imagine, let us know and we will consider doing that. Special and lit podcast at gmail.com. And if you're part of the Patreon, you can get access to Bill's rants.
    12:45
    Those can be kind of fun. Yeah, for the Patreon subscribers. I have a double down on the breakfast sandwich story that I didn't tell on the air. Anywho. You know, I do want to discuss this really, really quick. Jump on to patreon.com and type in special and lit podcast. support the show we've got a whole slew of bonus content that's getting ready to be updated and brought into that site so you're supporting the show you also get that bonus content which is stuff that either is not scheduled in the show or it's just extends outside of the show and we put
    13:17
    it up there and uh or sometimes it literally needs a giant parental warning sticker across it yes Yes. So not to dangle the carrot, because I think that a lot of people appreciate the fact that we're pretty clean and family friendly. And I think it's a huge part, especially when late. And I always want to keep it that way. The extended content that is available through Patreon is is a little it's a little more raw, non edited, a little more over the top. It's not it's not crazy, but it's what the fuck are you talking about?
    13:47
    I would say it's good on Patreon. It's definitely not all of it's not family appropriate or family consumable. and the entry level tier started five bucks we've got one at seven dollars that seven dollar tier gets you the bonus content consider it it's fun that's how many salesmen 750 and also seven seven eight dollars and sold steve just took a caffeine pill i like it all of the funds that come in through patreon go right back into supporting the show and updating equipment and maintenance website fees hosting fees that sort of thing again we're not look we're not looking to go
    14:19
    out to fancy dinners uh we're just looking to kind of it costs a little money to just be on the internet. It does. And I don't mind it. It's fun because it's our creative outlet. And Bill and I still stream on Monday nights. Every other Monday it seems like. How is streaming going, by the way? Because you're still streaming at Flippin' Out. We are, but you know what? Honestly, with summer schedule and stuff coming up lately, it's been a little bit more hard. It's been harder to lock down dates. And my wife is a teacher, so like recently she dropped a bomb
    14:50
    Friday night She like uh gotta go to an eighth grade dance I like great okay so I put the kids to bed no problem Was there a party bus There was no party bus I don understand that Yeah that good That a good school It is And then, uh, last night was graduation for the kids. And then Monday night they had rehearsal or something. So life of a bill web has been pretty, Oh, right back in the opening. And it's tough for bill, you know, and we do this podcast. So if you're streaming Monday night and then we're podcasting Wednesday, that's two nights away from the fam and he's got that free play pinball podcast and he's got free
    15:25
    play his co-host amanda hamilton and he's working on pinball and you know wheeling and dealing here and there well that's the hard part is literally bill are you the new biggest person in all pinball no no no no that won't happen recently i mean like a month or two ago the kids were like we don't want you to leave because it was like back-to-back weeks weeks of picking up a pinball Somebody was picking one up. We had this going on. We had streaming. And then don't forget, Thursdays are soccer and gymnastics for the kids. Like a month and a half ago, the kids were like, we really miss you.
    15:58
    Dad, don't leave. And I felt father guilt. Dad, please don't do the flipping out stream. Please don't record the special one-lit podcast tonight, Dad. Yeah. I just want to draw you a picture of us sitting in a picnic and eating sandwiches together. Yeah, but you've jealous of Jimmy John's. There's two things. A woman scorn or your kids, you know, the father guilt. Those are like the worst things. You get the guilt. Very powerful. Yes. Father guilt is easier to deal with because, you know, they wake up and they forget.
    16:29
    No kids, just the dog. But I get that with the puppy eyes. How long are you going to be gone for? I've got three kids and then like Darth Vader. So it's like I've got to make sure I am in tune here. I'm just kidding. Joyce, if you're listening. So Tina Turner, she passed away. Very sad. Loved a lot of her music. I mean, even stuff that wasn't like the top hits or whatever, that was sad.
    17:00
    It was just like an American icon, strong, powerful woman that made it, fought a lot of struggles that a lot of us will never know. Honestly, I did some research on Wikipedia on some of the health ailments she had. and, I mean, just crazy. But, I mean, what an awesome person. And, I mean, I feel like it's so sad, and she will definitely be missed, and especially with what she had done for music and all that she'd overcome. I don't know if you guys are big Tina Turner fans or not, but that one kind of hit me because it reminded me of my parents.
    17:31
    I mean, dude, yeah, I grew up with Tina Turner. I mean, so when did MTV come out? You grew up with Tina Turner? When did MTV come out? It was like 84, right? Early 80s? 81, 82. Video killed the radio star. was the first video. She was very early on in TV days. Well, Thunderdome, that was a big one, dude. I felt like that played on. What's Love Got to Do With It? What's love got to do with it? Yes. That's wrong. Gravitating. Well, not only that, but you also had the movie that she had, too,
    18:02
    that had I Don't Want to Fight No More. I don't know that song. Never saw the movie. Okay. Yeah, it explains some of the domestic stuff that went on in her life. Something recently, a documentary? No, no, no. It was in the 90s. Oh, okay. Is this a Bill Fun Facts story? The rise and fall of a life of a show person. No, but it's actually the rise and the overcoming of a bad situation. But nonetheless, I have a lot of respect for her. It brings me back to when my parents were alive and stuff like that.
    18:34
    And, you know, real quick, I'm going to throw you guys under the bus here because I didn't really explain this to you. Yeah. So thinking about that, my parents were big into music too. Have you ever been in a situation where a song came on and you were just uncomfortable because of the company that you might have been around? Like now? In general. Could be now with your kids. Could be when you were a child. I can give you one of my personal experiences that traumatized me forever. Lead me into this because I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think anything about music-wise, but movie-wise, where there's like a scene that pops up and you're like, oh.
    19:10
    Like watching Basic Instinct with your parents. What's going on right now? I should not be watching this. Oh, my gosh. The opening of, all right. But music. Lethal Weapon. Go ahead, Bill. Lethal Weapon, no, was it two? One. Lethal Weapon one. Yeah. just because he brought it up the opening scene of the motley crew docu movie on netflix called dirt i'm hoping like 40 seconds into that thing and i was watching that and with my wife reading
    19:40
    and and and i was like i hope she's not watching me watch this because she's not going to understand what is going on and uh i i did get it through but for those of you that that that have not seen that documentary or it's not even a document it's like a docu movie right i don't even know yeah sure movie loosely based anyways go ahead bill i'm sorry well all right so you know going back through you know thinking about the 90s and tina turner and that kind of stuff one of my parents favorite songs of all time okay and it didn't matter where you were at was marvin gay sexual healing
    20:11
    yeah but literally that was one of their favorite songs and i just you know brought me back when hearing the tina turner and reliving those memories and it didn't matter where we were we could be in coals and you know to be bobbing their head if that song so you felt uncomfortable uh listening to that song with your parents when i finally understood what it kind of meant right we'd be in the car driving you know to washington dc or ohio or family trips or whatever
    20:42
    that song came on windows got rolled up and they just turned that sucker as loud as you're taking that song you could not literally pull the escape handle fast enough to get you out of that because you just don't want to envision let me ask you this thing uh roughly how old are you like 13 14 at this point you know right now how old are you right now roughly you have to give the exact age Roughly 42. Okay. Did that song happen to come out 42 years and nine months ago? I don't know. I really don't know.
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    Fun fact, can we check the release date on that song? I can pull that up. Let's pull that up really quickly. It's funny that he says that because I don't really have any songs that I'm embarrassed to hear back in the day as a kid. My parents were listening to, at least my mom was listening to Phil Collins, Miami Sound Machine. Queen, like all that kind of stuff, where when I was younger growing up, like I got sick of hearing it. But then now as an adult and I hear it, it just kind of brings me back to times that were more simple.
    21:48
    And I appreciate it more. But like, what were you listening to, Steve, when you were in the in the car with mom and dad driving to to venture? Yeah. I came on kind of the same stuff as you guys. I mean oldies, and even newer back in the day would be like Van Halen or Aerosmith, but even like Elvis and Tina Turner and Whitney Houston and all the good old stuff, Roy Orbison. Man, we were a lot of oldies, a lot of like 80s rock.
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    That's back when you were listening to the radio. Yeah, like Poison. You weren't streaming Pandora. You weren't streaming Spotify. But I never felt uncomfortable listening to music in front of my parents. But I don't recall my parents listening to Marvin Gaye's Sexual Healing with the windows up. Just jamming that sucker. I'm sure it probably came on the radio, but they weren't just like, all right, let's roll the windows up. Let's roll the windows up and hold hands. Hey, Bill, throw this towel over your head.
    22:51
    It was not like that, but I mean, just like listening to it and just like, we're all in the car and I have two sisters. I'm just like, you know what? When you knew, you're like, all right, this is, sure. When did that come out? Did you look that up? 82. So it was after me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was not a product of that album. Gotcha. Another funny one that I think is funny now, but at the time scarred me for life. You remember Nine Inch Nails?
    23:22
    Trent Reznor. I Want to Love You Like an Animal. Oh, I love you. Yes, I do remember that. Changing that to keep it family. One of the first times I heard that, my sister picked me up, and she had her best friend in the car. And they are jamming that song, too. I'm like, listen, this song probably would have been a favorite of mine. Not anymore. Scarred for Life. No, I can see that. You're driving family members, perhaps your mother or your grandmother or just people of first introductory kind of situations.
    23:52
    So you don't have any situations like that? I'm sure I have. Let me ask you this because just in this spirit, are there things that you feel comfortable doing now with somebody that back in the day you just – it would be appalling or it wouldn't even be thought of? Like for instance? I wouldn't take a first date to go get Mexican food. Okay. Okay, so this is kind of where I'm going with this. Why is that? Green sauce is bad for your teeth. Is that the salciverity?
    24:22
    Yes. Your teeth? What? I love salciverity. You can't tell me you don't get it stuck in your teeth. Dude, three hours later, you still smell like deep fried burrito. I love food. I love garlic. You're dating, right? Say you're dating your wife before you knew her. Yes. you're not taking her to a and it's very interesting that you say this because i know how keen you are on the burritos and the mexican food the authenticity of mexican food so if you're dating like you were back in the day with your wife you didn't take her to a mexican restaurant
    24:53
    and get a burrito with green sauce no because the comfort level wasn't there did you have the red sauce instead we didn't have any we didn't we didn't go to a mexican restaurant her and i For like 10 years. Oh my! 10 years? 10 years! Not even the Taco Bell? Like you didn't get some... And Bill, the Mexican food lover. So I'm going to change quite. What? He was deprived of it for a decade. Well, I threw the burrito one out there just as an example, but that's not like first date material for me. I would agree with you. But honestly, my wife was not a big fan of Mexican food, so the first time she ever had a steak taco, I paid her $30 to eat it.
    25:30
    Wow. Oh, and that definitely won her over. Not really, because she literally took everything apart and ate the cheese is one thing, ate the meat is one thing and then had the show. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Oh, me off. I was like, it was not what we were doing here. But I'm thinking like so back in my dating days, say you take somebody to the Olive Garden or someplace similar. Right. At the time, you're in high school and you're trying to find a place that is appropriate. like you're not you're not getting the like the spaghetti where you could lop up
    26:01
    pasta and sauce dripping all over you you're probably not getting anything with onions um euros you're not euros no euros yeah euros stay with you you guys gave a you guys gave a crap oh i love food man i'm out give me give me the food over the date well this is this is the guy that's eating kimchi like it's going out of style too so So it's interesting. I guess Kim Chi didn't. We have Anthony Bourdain Jr. over here who's going to be talking about that. Kim Chi didn't hit so well last week.
    26:31
    So it's all good. But let's think about this for a second because nowadays, like, I'm married, right? I've been married for 21 years. Okay. And there are things now that I have no problem eating or doing in front of my wife that I never would have done dating her. But ironically, there are still some things that I do not do. I don't feel comfortable doing in front of my wife out of respect for her and myself. Like, for instance, like I would never go to the bathroom with the door open.
    27:04
    Not even. Oh, my God. Not even. We're going to deep dive that. No, I don't. I just don't. That's my private time. It's my privacy. Whether it's a one or a two. Do you number one? I need that. Absolutely not. Now, the flip of the coin here is, listen, if I'm doing business, that's my business. The door goes closed. But you're in and out in like 20 seconds. I don't care. It's not happening. It's a very vulnerable place to be when you're going to the bathroom. Because honestly, anything can happen while you're going to the bathroom.
    27:35
    Is she going to walk in with a Sith? No, no, no. But you can't instantly react. There's like a... like a decoy in the wall there's like a system that needs to take place for you to get out of that vulnerable position and then be able to react it's 30 seconds to two minutes whatever however long it takes of a mental reset and you guys are kind of escaping everything in the house well again you know what's the common denominator that steve does not have kids yes it's kids you
    28:05
    know what right now my wife thinks i'm in the bathroom but absolutely here's the question i have for you guys okay so you will pee with the door open with with the wife i will number one with yeah okay i'm i'm at a urinal basically i mean whatever yeah but i mean i don't i i there's more components to that to me there's no components to me but the wife you know she will use go number one with the door open yeah and she has a small bladder this is probably tmi for a podcast that's
    28:37
    Probably 10 seconds. I will edit that out, Bill. No, it doesn't matter. I don't care about that. But she has a small bladder and she goes frequently like in the middle of the night. So literally you'll hear her, and she's a foot dragger. And that pisses me off. Oh, my wife has the heaviest feet in the history of feet. No, no, no, no. At nighttime. Not heavy. She drags? No, no, no. Not heavy. My daughter does this too, but I still love her, right? Right. Where they drag their feet without socks on. Oh. So it sounds like Mr. Miyagi's sanding the floor all the way to the bathroom.
    29:07
    I'm waiting for him to pop out. Send in circles. The shuffling of the feet. Oh, dude, that is so frustrating. I'm very aware of my nighttime sounds. So you've got to be very quiet. You've got to be respectful for everybody in the house. I don't hear the sounds because I've got all these fans going, hitting me from all different angles. Me too. I have the sound machine and the Vornado. Right. You need all that stuff. And maybe a number two going. Well, and this is the other thing. I do not want to see anybody going to the bathroom with the door open in a house either. It's like, shut the door.
    29:38
    I don't need to see it. But you just walk right by it. You don't need to look. You just walk right by it. It's kind of like a train wreck, dude. It's a trap. You walk by it, and it's like, why is that doing open? Why is that there I don like that And I can look Like now I mean thank God in the middle of the night the lights are off so it whatever But yeah you know no But here's another one. Quick side note. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. When you guys go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, do you close one eye? Yes. Do you close one eye? Yes. That's a good little tip right there.
    30:09
    Do you know what happens when you go back in the darkness and you open up the eye that you closed? You have night vision in that eye. You have night vision. Yes. And for people that don't fully understand what we're talking about, before you flip that bathroom switch on, close or cover one of your eyes. You've got one eye exposed to the blaring light. At the end of you doing your business, you shut that light off again because you've already covered one of your eyes through the whole process. When you're walking out of the bathroom, uncover that eye that you have covered, and you have this night vision going on.
    30:41
    It's pretty amazing. Even opening the fridge because the fridge can be blinding. It's awesome. I love it. Man, I go. So I've never noticed that. The only reason why I do it is I read a long time ago that if you keep one eye closed, half of your brain stays asleep still. So it's not as impactful for your sleep. So which eye do you have to keep closed? I don't turn the light on. What if you close the eye that's like the awake? I'm not turning the light on. I'm turning off my creative side, my love side. I'm not turning the light on. You ever just try to go in there with both eyes closed and hope for the best?
    31:12
    Yeah, why not? Well, yeah. Then you can do 20, 21. It looks like they do that sometimes. Yeah, I see everything. Like, what the heck happened in there? You were going to say there's another thing. What's the other thing that you have that you... Going back to first dates kind of thing. Yes. Do you plan around what utensils you might have to use? Utensils? Yes. Hmm. I would prefer to probably always use a fork. Well, no, no, no. You know what? That's... I'm not going in with chopsticks. That's for sure. Okay. That's kind of where I was leaving that. But especially with certain foods, like a burrito.
    31:46
    That's a handheld food, right? Okay, yes. But occasionally. On a first date, do you do a handheld food kind of deal? Yes. Or do you use it? No. I'm not eating anything by hand, with the exception of probably French fries, on a first date back in the day. Oh, man. I'm cutting everything, and I'm making sure that it's just neat and easily consumable in my mouth. I don't want anything. I don't want the burger with the soft egg on top that I bite into and it explodes all over my shirt.
    32:17
    I don't need any of that stuff. And you're watching how much pepper is on there because you don't want to get the pepper stuck in your teeth. I'm safe. Well, and that's why you excuse yourself to go to the bathroom a couple times. You're just kind of doing a check and balance. I get it. You guys are hilarious. I'm with you, Bill. I'm with you. Well, and Ken, you and I were talking about this too, Lou Malnati's. You asked me a question because we were talking about Lou Malnati's. What was your question? Oh, so Bill was talking about how he had eaten Lou Malnati's, and I said, I enjoy Lou Malnati's deep dish. I said, Bill, do you eat Lou Malnati's with a fork and a knife because it is a deep dish, or do you just pick it up and eat it by hand?
    32:51
    And what did you say, Bill? Depends on who's around. Exactly. And that's kind of the inspiration behind this conversation is it depends on who's around. Like there's a lot of things that I'll do in private that I just wouldn't do in front of people that I am not comfortable with. And there are still things that I don't do with people that I am comfortable with in front of them. Doors open. Going to the bathroom with the door open. I just don't do it. Question for you guys. Do you guys eat chicken wings with bone in at restaurants?
    33:22
    No. I don't eat chicken wings with bone in at all. Every chicken wing that I eat is bone in. There's your answer, everybody. Yep. What does that even mean? What's your angle? What does that mean? Because it's a hand food. You guys don't like to get dirty. you don't like to look dirty in public. I eat ribs off the bone. In public? With a fork and knife? Or by hand? Well, no, I probably wouldn't eat. If I was on a date, I wouldn't order ribs. Right? And that goes back to... I'm not setting myself up for failure here. Choose wisely. Who cares?
    33:52
    Everybody else is doing the same thing in the restaurant. That's my point. Euro sandwiches on the third date. Not a good move. Wait, what did you say? What's not a good move? That's like going for Euro sandwiches on the third date. Dude, gyros can be clean. No, it's not the cleanliness. It's the residual breath that comes from eating the Lou Malnati sausage pizza. So now we got something different then. The gyro breath. Ballpark hot dogs. A couple of those suckers going down are probably going to have some.
    34:22
    And that's not even like a hygiene issue. Garlic bread. You were talking about kind of cleanliness at first. And now we're going on residual. Well, now he's into gyros. Because I like garlic. I like onions. I'm not saying. Listen. there's times where I come here and I'm I'm nervous about what I'm gonna eat so I make sure to get no onions because I'm not trying to blast people because that is and we appreciate that bill nothing worse and I'm sorry because you because yeah BD comes here and belches and we're we're caught in the jet loss sometimes with his kimchi all right so this is this is all new info to me
    34:55
    and I love this uh little segment we did here this is that's good time seems like let's move along let's move along i will end it up all right let's jump into drain it or save it oh it's time for this week's edition of drain it or save it all right everybody's favorite pinball segment drain it or save it is easy if you're new to the show we've got pretty basic rules here myself bd and bill are going to bring up a topic a scenario or a situation if we agree with it we
    35:26
    will save it if we disagree with it we will drain it we will start with bill webb bill train it or save it what do you got so waiting for an entire series to come to an end on tv so a tv series whether it be ozark blacklist suits gray's anatomy would not apply because that's still running i don't know how do you wait for an entire series to end before watching the show do you save it or do you drain it and watch it as it fares?
    35:56
    Do you drain it or save it? I'll go first on this one. Yeah, go. Go, Ken. I am going to drain that. Two quick things on this. Number one, if it was sequential by episode, I would wait until the end of the season. Okay, season. Okay. But I would not wait for the end of the series, but I can understand where people would do that because I remember getting burned with the Sarah
    36:27
    Connor Chronicles where it was a season that was amazing and I was waiting for season two or it was two seasons I was waiting for season three and they just ended it and there's nothing worse from somebody that's binge watching tv than to have the rug pulled out from underneath you and there's no more there's no payoff that's a terrible situation that being said there are shows like The Witcher that I appreciate, Stranger Things, where they haven't met their season's end. But if I were to wait for a season or a series to end on Netflix, it could be like a decade.
    37:01
    And I just want to be able to consume a little bit more frequently in my free time than that. So overall, I will drain waiting for a series to end. Okay. Steve, what do you got? Yeah, I'm going to drain that as well. I'm going old school. I kind of enjoy the weekly show, you know, Saturday night at 8 o'clock. You know, this show's coming on. Let's just say Game of Thrones, for example. I enjoy that.
    37:32
    I do enjoy binging, but I'm not going to save it, per se. I'm going to drain it because I still enjoy that, you know, waiting. The weekly build-up. Yeah, the build-up, man. I like that. I like it. But the two-year wait between seasons, they're in there all day. Yeah, that sucks. I hate that. But that's where we're at. That's where we're at right now. Honestly, I think Ozark burned me on this. That's why I like watching a full series. Ozark. Because I watched seasons one and two, and then I was like, all right, one, two, and three.
    38:02
    Yes, that's what I did. I have not seen season four yet. It's a multi-year wait now. Oh, my. Okay. Okay, yeah. Spoiler alert. No spoiler alert. I have not watched season four yet. But I had to wait. That's an amazing show. A year and a half or two years before the... Well, and that's one of those situations where you need a recap going back into that series. Because some people are happy to be like, oh yeah, Ozark Season 4 is starting, so I'm going to re-watch the whole series. It's like, I don't have time for that at all. And here's another thing, too. At all. If you don't watch the recap after a year or two... You've got to watch the recap.
    38:32
    You're like, oh, where were we at? I used to love Dexter, and then it relaunched on HBO or Showtime or whatever, and I tried to get into that. I don't know. It was just, yeah. It's when you are too far in between seasonal releases. Like, I think you just kind of... And ironically... This is something, like, new, too. We've never had... Ironically, when you end a podcast and you launch it again two years later, you lose some of the listener base. Because, again, it's not top of mind.
    39:03
    They don't remember where you left off. Ask those people who don't remember who the hell you are. So, 96. 96! Especially when they put up all podcasts. Bill, what about yourself? I save it. I'd rather wait for a whole series. I am done waiting a year and a half to two years to catch. Interesting. It's like a binge, binge, binge. It's not even binge. What if it's 10 seasons, 20 episodes each? We're doing that now with Blacklist. There you go. But Blacklist will be over, I think, in another month or so. My wife loves Blacklist. And we're on season five right now. Right. That's awesome.
    39:34
    We won't finish before the next season comes out, so we're cool. Does that make sense? You know, and we've lost season. Like, we watch stuff where it's been so long, and maybe it's come out again, and we're like, all right, you know, we forgot about it. Like, Flight Plan. Like, that was another one. Like, no, I'm not. Flight Plan. I've never even heard of that. Flight Plan. I think it was. Whatever. Whatever the show was. It doesn't matter. I'm saving it. I love watching the whole thing. You're saving it. Myself and BD are draining that one. Save Drain Drain. Baby. Let me go real quick.
    40:04
    Mine real quick is this. We kind of touched on it in our segment earlier, but Chicago Deep Dish Pizza. Eating it with utensils. Drain it versus hand. Drain it or save it. Beattie. I will start this with Screw Deep Dish altogether because it's not pizza. So, Beattie, the Founding Fathers is a special one. What the heck is that?
    40:36
    It's amazing. It's not pizza, you guys. It's like a, what is it? It's a baked, it's like a Mastacholi or some shit. There's no noodles on it. You got pizza crust on the bottom. You got a bunch of sauce. And you got to get some cheese and some toppings. I respect your right to express your feelings and your opinions on that. I like how the music stopped. Shock me a little. Yeah, that was a little bit shocking for me. It's a little bit shy.
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    Let's do this. Let's just reset here. Can you believe that? No. It's time for this week's edition of Drain It or Save It. A clarifying question, though. So he's just not only draining the utensils, he's draining the deep dish pizza. If you guys go out and order pizza anywhere, are you ever ordering deep dish? Yes. If thin crust is an option? I prefer the deep dish at Lou Malnati's over the thin crust.
    41:38
    Lou Malnati's is a national. Lou Malnati's. It's a Chicago staple and a nationally accessible chain. I will say this. I've never had Lou Malnati's non-deep dish. Yes. I don't even know if they offer it. They do. Oh, of course. It's very good. But it's like, listen, do you want to. You know what? That's not a great comparison. No, I don't want to go with. There's a very easy analogy here. Yeah, their thin crust is great. You're not going to the Hershey Chocolate Factory To order a bagel You're going there to get some chocolate
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    One slice of pizza From Lou Malnati's Deep Dish Is like enough for two people No it's not They're like three inches thick It's not that bad But it still has That looked more like six inches to me But it still has crust it still has cheese and it still has sauce the order's a little backwards too much sauce there's too much crust so have you ever been to chicago oven pizza grinder no i have not oh my
    42:43
    okay we're done with this okay all right he drains it uh i say that i like eating you with utensils how about you uh they're built uh in public sure love utensils right all right so save it save it train it by Steve. Let's go. Move along. What do you got, Bill? I went through mine. Now we're going to Steve's. Steve, what do you got? You're just so confused. I get it. Because he floored me with the I don't eat Chicago deep dish pizza. That's okay. Listen. You've been floored. Because we have not been privy of eating the kimchi.
    43:14
    I appreciate the fact that we brought something up that's so exotic to you like Chicago style deep dish pizza that you never ate it. It's so exotic. Right. It's exotic to you. Oh, I've eaten it. I'd just rather have just regular pizza all right that's fair i prefer new york pizza okay let me fold that greasy i will i'm not saying it's not good just i think there's a place for both you know what i do like okay so i'm in the end i'm draining eating it with utensils because i will still eat that by hand even when it's hot that's fair that that was the drain or save it yeah
    43:45
    okay i'm gonna i'm gonna save the eating it by hand have you ever had the uh new york style hot dog because the chicago style hot dog has a ton of just everything on it i like this chicago style what's the new york the new york style hot dog at least when i was there i went to a place i don't know if it's there anymore it's called gray's papaya i guess it's been in movies and whatnot but the new york style hot dog was it was a hot dog or a frank with uh mustard and sauerkraut and it was amazing okay yeah i'd go there i mean that's that's bratwurst that's a brat
    44:18
    I agree. It's a Chicago brat. Steve, what is your drain hitter save it? I don't really have one this week, boys, but I'm going to go Guilty Pleasure. It's kind of the same boat, right? This is Twilight Zone, but I like it. Let's take some wine and run with it. Do I fade the black here and then start Guilty Pleasure? No, keep it going. All right. This can go either way. So what big concert was just in Chicago Taylor Swift Oh my goodness Yes Taylor Swift All right I just going to go drain it or save it I saving it on the premise of my niece loves her
    44:57
    She has some good music. I'm not a big fan, you know, but it's okay. So I'll save it for all the people that really adore her. Okay. Wait, what am I deciding on? Taylor Swift having a concert in Chicago? Is it Taylor Swift? Is it her music? Is it her background? Is it her inspiration? No, it's her dating history. I don't know enough about Taylor Swift to actually just kind of support or denounce a Taylor Swift. I can appreciate her impact on modern day pop culture and celebrity status.
    45:28
    I'm going to go just music. Music. I could not name one Taylor Swift song. It doesn't mean if I heard one that I wouldn't. I can too. I don't listen to modern day pop. No, I'll lose that quick. So like on my Pandora station, because I don't have Spotify, it's today's alternative radio. It's 90s alternative music. It's classic rock. It's kind of sad because I don't want to feel like I dated myself or I don't know Taylor Swift.
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    I appreciate her admirers and what she's accomplished. I simply will say this. I do not know about Taylor Swift as a person where I could support her or not support her. That's fair enough. Respectfully pass on my educated decision to drain or save Taylor Swift. You couldn't get more neutral about that. So I saved it. I'm going to save it too.
    46:31
    So we'll wind this down. The first we did was a TV series. You two drain watching a whole series versus a season. Correct. Okay. And I saved that. Ken's was deep dish pizza, eating with utensils. With utensils. We both saved it and Steve drained it. Yep. Well, he drained the pizza and the utensils altogether. He drained the whole segment. Yes, he did. And then Steve's is Taylor Swift. Do you save it or drain it? I saved it because I think she's a good person and her music is decent. She has quite a following.
    47:03
    So I'm sure she hasn't done a lot of bad things if she has that kind of following. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't follow her as much, but I do know her music, so I saved it. Yeah, because people with a lot of following, they don't ever do anything. Not ever. Steve, you saved Taylor Swift. Saving it. I know some Swift. My wife's a big Swift fan, so yeah. Yeah. There's a couple songs that are catchy that I like. They're catchy. I'm not throwing them on my, you know, when I'm jamming in the car, but...
    47:34
    I thought the segment ended. I'm sorry. Hold on. Go ahead. I'm in real time now. You guys totally skipped me about my opinion about Taylor Swift. Oh, so Steve, train or save it, Taylor Swift. Yeah. No, you saved it, I thought. Yeah, but then you're like, MBD saves. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm like, all right. I guess I'm not going to embellish on that. The honest truth here is I've got to end this before it loops over again. But go ahead. Okay. Train or save it, Taylor Swift.
    48:05
    Taylor Swift. For me, Taylor Swift plays a lot in my household. So I know a lot of Taylor Swift, and I am not opposed to pretty much any of it. I'm going to save it. See, if Steve had kids, Taylor Swift for them would be like Gloria Estefan in the Miami Sound Machine. Yes. And Bill Collins. I'd save all that, too. And the Bill Cosby comedy album for me. Save it. Boom. All right. So he's saving it. All right, so I think we wrapped this week's edition of Drain It or Save It.
    48:37
    All right, before the music winds out, we'll call this good. Fade to black. We were talking about music with the Taylor Swift thing, and it brought me up. I was like, you know, what would be an embarrassing artist to listen to in front of a bunch of grown men? Ooh, interesting. Interesting. That is a good one. One of my favorite artists that I don't care. Oh, there's a lot of these for me. is Celine Dion. Oh.
    49:07
    Such a, I mean. Let me guess why, Bill. Who sang the main damn song for the Titanic soundtrack? I'm going to go and have something to do with Titanic. Titanic! Oh, so would I. That's not even a guilty pleasure. You would miss the Titanic. You'd love the Titanic. No, but it's not everything about the Titanic. Okay, but for clarity, do you think I love the Titanic the movie, or do you think I love Titanic the story? No, you love the movie because you love Titanic. They come out of your mind.
    49:37
    They combine together, though. Yes, they do. James Cameron did a great job. James Cameron killed Celine Dion. It was amazing. He just tied it all together. But I don't... You know what Bill's guilty pleasure in seeing a show in Vegas is? Celine Dion? Celine Dion. I'm going to guess you like... Well, DiCaprio's the shit. Nobody can deny that. I have a funny meme I'm going to have to show you at the end of the show. No, but seriously. That's okay. I appreciate that guilty pleasure because I know it ties back into your passion for the Titanic.
    50:12
    I love it. It's an amazing James Cameron movie. I didn't even think. It's a powerful song. What other song? I Want You to Need Me. Sing it. Love You More. Sing it. Not a Chance. Sing it. Literally, the one album, it's got a black cover. is, I mean, dude, the whole thing, just listening to her breathe in between. Now, realize, I say this because I'm listening to this stuff. Listening to her breathe in between. He's getting deep. Like, after her, like, when she expels her lyrics, she's like...
    50:42
    On a great... Yes. She's like... You can hear singers inhale, for sure. And this is the loud, like... And I listen to it in unreasonable volumes, whenever I listen to music, most times. So between, like, her powerful performance, like between transitions you'll hear her her uh inhale and it's like a tenth of a second of a and then she's just belting it out again it's like damn woman you could throw this down i like it she's like the uh kenny g of of lyrical gangsters she she is but i mean just every human needs to
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    breathe in too so but the little the short second to do the yeah and then and then belt something out one of my least long as they do it's it's insane guys what happened to this podcast no no hold on what happened to special inlet we are so out of the weeds this makes no sense to me i'm afraid everybody for stop listening at this point not not because of celine dion but it's like we are so off of the pinball podcast but it's okay but are we a pinball podcast anymore that's a good point maybe we reevaluate after this episode and one of my least favorite songs is the titanic song
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    from her. That is honestly one of my least favorite songs. Oh, interesting. Okay. That kind of reeled back in for me a little bit. Yeah, like To Love You More by her. If you turn that up, you know, like Marvin Gaye with your parents in the car, it is awesome being on the other end. Sexable healing. Yeah, okay. That is a little awkward though. Which one? Oh, listening to that song? Yeah. Dude, that was their song. Like, they love, I mean, my sister played it at her wedding to like, pay homage. Are we back on Oh, that's cool.
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    Now we're back on Marvin Gaye. That's pretty cool. I'm not going to edit this back into the Marvin Gaye segment. No. Okay. This is what it is. All right. No, this is just what we're all around about right now. All right. So your guilty pleasure is listening to Celine Dion. One of many artists, as you know, I'm very into. You're very diverse. And Cromwell. What's your guilty pleasure? My guilty pleasure is this. And I will set the table by saying, love my wife. been married to her for 21 going on 22 years this year wonderful years have three amazing kids uh
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    that i could not imagine my life without my guilty pleasure is when they all leave the house for an extended period of time sometimes days if if for whatever reason a vacation works out where she's got to visit her sister in arizona and the kids go with uh my guilty pleasure is those that I love the most and that I want to be close to me all the time, depart and leave me to be by myself. That is my guilty pleasure. Wow. What do you do on your spare time? Yes. I remember this.
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    What do you do when they're gone? You know, ironically, not as much as I think that I would do. They left for two weeks during the special and lit season one, we'll call it. I think they went to Arizona for like 10 days or something. Yes. And you were like, dude, I am going to get a bunch of stuff done. Yes. And I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. Probably did none of it. Day three, it was like, didn't, didn't, you know, nothing. You were like, oh, dude, I just, you know, just kind of getting motivated. But this is the thing.
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    Like, I love them so much. I need to let them go because if they don't come back, they were not mine to begin with. So it's like, it's like, go do your thing every single year. And another little guilty pleasure that I take is when it's Mother's Day and I suggest to my wife that she should spend the whole day with her kids and go to her mom's house. It's for you. It's a twofer?
    54:27
    It's Mother's Day. We're celebrating Mother's Day and Father's Day. Right. It's like when Father's Day comes along, I'm like, hey, you know, it's Father's Day. I'd like to probably go out golfing. I never get away with that stuff. What do you do on Father's Day? Honestly, I don't do anything on Father's Day. I stick around. Muddle on. I love hanging out with my family, and I appreciate the time that we have together. But look, as somebody that, again, I've been married 21 years, I've got two teenagers and somebody that's in middle school.
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    to have any sort of time to myself. And this is why I really appreciate recording with you guys on Wednesday nights. Like we hook up and we record for two or three hours. And it's at least every other week. And we don't go anywhere, right? Like we're in Studio C, which is attached to my house. It's the garage audio video studio that we have set up here. But for me, it's just my personal time outside of work, outside of the family. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what they bring to the table. but I do love the extended period of time in which they are out.
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    And I just, I look live in the bachelor life, not from the standpoint of bringing in the ladies, but from the standpoint of like, I am not on anybody's schedule. I don't have to make sure that somebody's dinner or snacks are ready. I don't need to have, or when you go to the bathroom, that's a great question. Yes, I do. Even when by myself, when I go to the bathroom, I close the door. You have to try it once with the door open just because you feel weird? I don't know. I'd probably just – It's a weird – I don't think I could go. I would have performance anxiety on going to the bathroom.
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    By yourself. I'm afraid I'm watching myself. For sure. But, I mean, it's just – So, again, my guilty pleasure. Those that are closest to me that I love spending time with, I love when they leave for an extended period of time so I can do my own thing. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. You guys both had good ones. You know what? I try to take time off to add on yours. So my wife is a teacher, so they're home all summer. So I try and take a few days over summer. But it always coincides that I always take the week after they start school back.
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    I take that week off just to get stuff done and just for some mental mellow down. You know what I mean? Isn't it? It's funny. Your days off, you're more busy than the days that you're working. Oh, for sure. You get that, right? Everybody in chat, everybody get that? You take a week vacation from work to decompress, but when you come back, you have two weeks of work to do. Oh, yeah. And it's like you need a vacation from the vacation if you have kids because let's be honest, you're not out there sipping margaritas with your wife.
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    Poolside. Rekindling your moments of your honeymoon. Yeah. Like you're managing kids and schedules and making sure that everybody's fed and nobody's upset because this person did that. it's a whole different animal well and you could do the best job possible allotting your time while you're off but suddenly the warden comes down and reallocates all that time for something that they had thought you could spend your time better doing this that's the darth vader effect
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    absolutely hey you know i know you're off but i figured you could do this today you guys ready to wrap this one up? Yeah, let's do it. Let's wrap it. I do want to ask everybody this again. If you want to contact the show, just set it special when lit podcast at gmail.com. You can visit us on Facebook. Search special when lit podcast on Instagram. It's special when lit pinball. Special when lit pinball. And what's the Twitter handle? Twitter is non-existent.
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    Let's go. We're getting there, though. One day, Ken will get me. Hey, but we got a new handle this week to throw in. We got our TikTok page. What's up with TikTok? The Grand Ribbon Cutting. Special When Lit Podcast. On TikTok. We got two videos so far. I'm going to try and do one every other day. So tomorrow I'll do for another one. Outstanding. So again, we appreciate the listenership. Thanks for coming in and hanging out with the Special When Lit family. Want to thank everybody on Patreon. Want to thank everybody that's coming that's new to the podcast. And listen, do me a favor. We've noticed this. There are a lot of people that are on Facebook.
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    There are people that follow our Facebook and like our Facebook. There are a lot of people that like, comment, and share on the general interaction that have not liked or followed the page. I know we've got a huge following on Facebook. It's over 1,000 people. Do me a favor. After this episode, go to Facebook, check out the page, and see if you actually liked it or followed it. It makes a world of difference for us when it comes to the algorithm and our outreach on everything that we post and share, getting to additional people. So if you don't mind, small ask. This is a free ask.
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    Just go to our Facebook page. If you haven't liked it or followed it yet, please do so. Same with Instagram. Same with Twitter when Steve gets around to it. And then obviously that TikTok channel, which we're going to be dipping our feet into. For Bill Webb and Steve Beattie, I am Ken Cromwell. Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening. And don't forget to take some time out of your day to play some pinball. So long, everybody. Gotta go!