it's player versus player and player versus machine welcome to the final round welcome again look at that it's been two weeks give or take six or eight welcome to episode at 89 i'm jeff teolis i'm bruce nightingale i'm sorry we're done with that come on sorry sorry rock and roll show notes i'm i'm ryan c all the way from australia down under mate that was fun the last one we did and did you realize we were copying slam tilt podcast i had no idea it just accidentally happened i don't know how we did that jeff but whoopsie we we did it because we love them we love those guys that's right they are funny guys and i enjoy their show so hi ron hi bruce thanks for letting us uh take the piss out of you but now we're taking the piss out of each other we have to talk first of all what have you done in the last i say two weeks but really last two months what have you been up to ah i've done a lot jeff i've been keeping some show notes but uh i'm not sure if you care about me watching the fantastic four and superman because you mentioned that last episode i'm like i'm gonna go watch those two things we will get to that you're damn right i care uh what have you been up to uh desmond my dog has has doubled in size i looked at my little uh my stats i've got a text file on my phone with his tracking his weight and he is exactly double the amount of kilos he was when we last recorded so he is now a 17 kilo dog which is something in pounds 30 something it's almost 40 pounds is he well trained because the last time we recorded something happened we won't mention it no we can't mention it no Desmond is now in the room with me I'm sorry if you hear a little dog trotting around and eating and right now he's playing with a ball in the background I just he likes to eat he likes to eat whatever he can find last episode. As long as he eats the birds. He tries. He tries. But yeah, last time I was recording, something happens. I had to go to the vet. He is absolutely fine. I'm a little bit poorer. He's in good health. But Desmond needs to be... I need to keep an eye on that little boy. Have you got new neighbors yet? No, it's still empty. He knows how to sit, shake hands, weight. He played his first game of pinball the other day. He was very uninterested in it. What have you been up to, Jeff? You've been gallivanting around the world. Yeah, I spent some time in Europe. I was in Italy for almost two weeks with my wife and my aunt. Had a good time. Had dinner with Johannes Ostermeyer and Daniele Acari in Rome, which was very cool to see those guys. Do you only have dinner with top players, Jeff? I've been to Rome a few times, and And it was kind of nice to see Daniele in the city he lives. Johannes was only there for three weeks. He's in school. I think he's back in Munich right now. But we were talking, I think, in Austria about when I was coming, and we said, yeah, we'll get together. So I had to do it. So no, not every time, but it was great because Daniele had a friend that recommended the restaurant. It was awesome. It was good. Love, love, love, love Italy. Have you been? I've been to the airport. No. I feel like I need to go. I've mentioned to a bunch of people before that growing up in Australia without any family here, my family's from Malta, my parents chose to hang around with a lot of Italian families, and I feel really at home with Italian people. Even when they're arguing, it's a weird thing that two arguing Italians will calm my nervous system down. So I need to go, Jeff. It's on my list. I don't know when, but I'm going to go in the next year and a half or so, I think, maybe hike the Dolomites and eat some pizza pie. Hey, what the fuck, I don't know. I didn't hear one person say that. And, yeah, thanks, Bruce. Actually, I didn't say any of Bruce's Italian, but what I did do, my aunt brought a book of how to speak Italian without using your mouth, and it was all hand signals. It was awesome. So anyway, that was pretty cool. But then I was on to the UK Open, and I want to talk about the UK Open. There's a few things. First of all, the tournament is elite. It is one of the best tournaments you will go to anywhere, and I go to a lot. I promise you. UK Open, spectacular. People that went for the first time, they agreed. Go check it out. Congrats to Neil McRae and Pinball Republic and everyone who puts on a wonderful show there just south of London in Croydon. Didn't play great. It's funny. I made a couple of the playoffs, but I didn't play great. Somebody beat me at my own game, Ryan. Is this a fellow crop duster, Jeff? Somebody was shitting their pants, and that is fucking my game. Somebody was, like, I was eating it. And I knew something was wrong, because even on the plane ride, going from Italy to UK, I was like, what the what oh my god so it just kind of set me off and then people wouldn't claim it like i give a little smirk and if someone says did you of course you admit it i couldn't even get out i didn't even have any gas i was usually well equipped but anyway that set me off just a little bit but the other thing you know how you told me before i went you said you know what jeff i i'm not a big fan of the uk and i assumed you were going to say because of like piss or uh people throwing babies at you or whatever your general fears of europe is but you know how you said to me you're gonna hate it i'm like why you're like it's so hard to get porn and i'm like what what what are you talking about so i thought i'll do some research for ryan i'll just i'll check the dark web purposes of the podcast for research purposes only i'll check the dark web i'll get back to Ryan and you're right like you have to in the UK it's not like that here in Canada so I'm told or other places um they want some sort of uh age verification and you can do it one of two ways put in your put in your government document you know on whatever stupid websites they are didn't do that. Or the other thing they said, you can, with your camera, take a picture of yourself and they can use some sort of facial recognition to see if you're quote-unquote old enough. So I used a picture of Bruce Nightingale. And not only did I get in, I got all these huge, like hey welcome back bruce thanks for your 20 year subscription it was great it was awesome what kind of porn is is bruce interested in well i you know what i i usually am not afraid to censor myself on this show but uh i think i'm gonna i'm gonna choose wisely and just not mention some of the things what is is surely you could just use like an old person filter to like a Kids getting around this by just uploading a picture of their dad on the phone. Ryan, I didn't go deep into it because, again, I just thought, you know, I'll do this for you. What it reminded me of is like, you know, 20, 30 years ago, if you went to a hotel and, you know, all right, let's see what's on the web, let's see what's on the pay-per-views. And then you'd get your bill the next day. 95 bucks, what do you mean? I didn't order this. Can I pay by the minute? Anyway. Times have changed. So that was the UK. But again, great, great tournament. Part of the Stern Pro Circuit. I do want to talk about the Stern Pro Circuit a little bit. Wait, before you do it, Jeff, because I don't think we're going to circle back to this one. That law that you're talking about is being introduced to Australia, I think in a couple of months. And it covers YouTube, Instagram, Any big social media platform plus porn, I believe if you want to watch it, you have to link a government ID. And kids under 16 years old, I believe 16, won't be allowed to use Snapchat, even YouTube, which blows my mind a little bit because there's so many educational things. You know what? All kidding aside, and I like to make jokes and all that stuff. if we can keep this shit out of children and make kids safe and all that stuff, I'm all for it. As a father, you know, I think you can differentiate between when I'm joking and the serious side of me. So probably a long time coming, you know. I think of when my kids, and you have young kids, when they first started searching the web and thought, oh, geez. And anyway, so whatever. It's probably the silent times. There you go. Anyway, can I get back to the Stern Pro Circuit? Go for it, Jeff. Let's talk about pinball. Okay. Stern Pro Circuit. So do you know what that is? Like there's up to 20 events that you get whatever Whoppers you get. They take so many people, and I think it's 32, to this event called the Stern Pro Circuit, which happens right before Expo, which is next week. And just for showing up, you get paid. So every Stern Pro Circuit, for every player that plays, you have to pay the Stern Pro Circuit $5. and then they have this really cool big pool at the end of it and they give away a pinball machine. So that's how they can afford to pay everyone when you go to this event. So some people, I think, used to chase the Stern Pro Circuit because, oh, wow, there's 20 different events and I'm close to getting in the top 32. I'm going to go to Expo. I'm going to go to Freeplay Florida or Pinsonati or whatever the events are. The Beast was on this year. And maybe get that free bucks. The only problem I have with it, or a big problem I have with it, is it's all based on whoppers. And the understanding is, as Josh likes to say, well, vote with your feet. Have you ever heard him say that? Vote with your feet? Meaning, if you don't like it, don't show up. If you do like it, or if people are there, then that means it must be popular, and therefore it's on the Stern Pro Circuit. You ever heard that? Yeah. Okay. In theory, that makes sense. except Whoppers aren't even for everything. The way Whoppers are now, like, first of all, if you're a major event like Papa, like Pinberg, like the IFPA Open, those three are or will be on the Stern Pro Circuit. They get a boost of 200%. So their events are massive for Whoppers. So the other 17, yeah, the other non-17 events. that's great that i mean the beast gave away 230 points for the winner that's a lot of points that didn't have the 200 boost so it kind of devalues the other non-major events don't you think okay sorry because i i think i used to understand exactly how this works is it the top 20 events or it can be no more than 20 as long as they qualify there's like some magical formula certain amount of players for at least three years. Is that it? That's it. So it's a three-year average, and there are up to 20 events every year. So last year, the Beast was one of the top 20. And then what they do at the end of the year is whoever the bottom five are get knocked off, and they bring in the next five that want to be on the SturmPro circuit. So you kind of have to maintain, if you will, or make it bigger, or do whatever you can to be on it if you care to be on it. So events like, and great events, like the 24-hour battle at the Sanctum, won't be on the Stern Pro Circuit ever again because they have only 100 people, and that's all the place can hold. And they run a format where they don't get a big boost. To get boosts for Certified and Certified Plus, which is 125%, 150%, you have to have a certain type of finals, a Papa-style finals, That's a group match play. Or a IFPA World Championship 1v1 playoffs. They don't do that. You're talking about the normal TGP boost, not the event booster. I'm talking about a normal TGP. Yeah, so like any event. If you want to have it boosted by certified or certified plus, you have to have that special type of final. So a great event that I want to shout out, and I've never been there, and I really want to go one day, is called the Amazing Race. It's in Ohio. You've run amazing races, right? Like it's pretty, it's fun. What I like about it is it gives some people that might normally not do well in playoffs or get to the playoffs have a chance. So I kind of like that. But because it's not that typical format, they don't get the boost, and they were on the Stern Pro Circuit, but they're not going to be next year and probably never will again with that format. so again i'm giving an example of for all the great things the ifpa does the one things that i have a beef with them i don't mind mentioning it is they seem to only care about the top players and making sure they're happy like i mean isn't that what like a pro circuit event is though jeff like if you're not going to cater to if you're not going to cater to the top players then who are you catering to? What's the goal? To increase pinball for the masses? You've got a good point, but can you not do something for everyone? Or at least more the masses? I don't know. To make something grow, it's again, I think there's an illusion that pinball is great. It's growing. Look at it. It's growing every year. We must be doing something right. Is it a variable of the fact that there are 15 pinball machine companies that are making a lot of games and we're seeing more and more games than we have in the last 20 years. Is that part of it? Could be. Is the advancement of Neverdrains and Matchplay and, you know, leagues and social media and all these things that have helped grow it? Maybe. Because it's not things like television that's growing pinball, right? It's not. I think it has to be a grassroots effort. I think people need to get excited about being the top player in their league or, I mean, they don't necessarily need to be the top player, just getting involved locally and not necessarily having aspirations to, as you said, fly to 20 different parts of the world, 17 of them being in the US, to compete against the best players to then win a couple of hundred dollars. Like, no one's getting rich from this. But, yeah, I don't know. We run our adjacent WAPA league. I'm looking at the results this year. Sometimes they mirror each other, like the top 32 players, Whopperwise versus Vipers. That's what we call our own system. And this year it's quite different because it heavily prioritizes just rocking up. Like you can grind your way into the top 32 if you play a lot of tournaments and do decently well. So, okay, I really admire that. But remember the IFPA used to take the top 20 events, which would encourage you to play more pinball. now they only take the top 15 and now efficiency is something that matters especially if you're a top player so you might want to play less because it hurts you to play more sometimes yeah I don't envy them trying to figure out the formula because luckily for us it's small enough that no one's trying to really exploit anything if they did we would have to create some new rules and when you have a worldwide audience of tens of thousands of people I can't remember who it was, there was some player back in the day who was, you know, really he was just a local bully and he used to win every single local tournament and he was the number one most efficient player in the world but if he travelled anywhere else he would have got beaten by any top 250 player you probably know who I'm talking about I didn't mention him but there was that kind of thing and they have to adjust formulas based on that but at the end of the day, Jeff, I think it said as a governing body it has to come from the state reps it has to come from people growing it locally however they can do it versus i think Josh Sharpe and his cronies i think what would you change josh josh has the ear of i would say about five people have the year of josh maybe maybe 10 and you know his own words are this isn't a democracy it's a dictatorship it's the way he wants it and it's his he can do that i get it but i mentioned the amazing race a second ago we're going to see rule changes it happens every year you know a few years ago we lost the flip frenzies they're still kind of there with the max match play i kind of like the compromise i think it might have been a little extreme but it wasn't a fan favorite of the top players guess what there's a new event that's not a fan favorite of the top players and it's very very popular rest in peace the amazing race what's the amazing rate what's going to happen is it probably won't be worth as much so when things aren't worth as much they sound they kind of go by the wayside. Just hang tight. Is this being announced or is this exclusive information, Jeff? I don think it exclusive I think some of the state province country reps know that this is coming And so I think there some discord and conversations and disappointing to say the least Are people really exploiting it, though? Is this a popular thing? It is the fact that someone can get two million points on Jurassic Park and then everyone passes them with, you know, one skill shot and they move on. I'd love to say I know the reasoning. I don't know the reasoning. So I'll give you an example. If you are in a tournament of 32 people and you say the top half make the playoffs, we're going to do an amazing race finals. That means 16 people make the finals. So TGP-wise, when you have 16 people, that's 15. I don't know if I'm saying the right word, TGP or whatever. It's 15 games that count towards TGP. Yes, 15 meaningful games. That number will be reduced. because technically everyone has played the first game, right? It's 16 people. Just whoever's last loses. But I think in their mind they're thinking, well, they are only playing one ball. And you know how – I don't know what the reasoning is, so I think it's just going to be reduced a little bit, and then you'll see less amazing races, which I think are very time efficient. It's interesting. But they don't – oh, fuck, man. Hey, time efficiency, don't even use those words. they hate anything that's time efficient case in point papa went to fucking 3 a.m started at 8 in the morning went till 3 a.m i actually started doing amazing race this year at the monthly tournament that i run best game qualifying and amazing race and last month jeff i had to shift the dates and the venue closes earlier and i'm like let me try a different format and a bunch people said, just run Match Play until they close. I'm like, well, I don't really want to do that because then people have to be there at a certain time, which people are finishing work and coming from all around the city. And the other part is if more people rock up than I have machines, like divided by four, then we're waiting, you know, redoing rounds when the first person finishes or reallocating machines. Anyway, Jeff, I did it and 50% more people rocked up than normal. because of the format, which blew my mind. People have expressed to me that I really hate best game format because it's not social, and then a certain amount of people make finals and that's it. They just wanted me to play some kind of Swiss or, you know, match play until they close, and then everyone's playing all the time, people are being more social, and I don't understand it as much as I'd like to, but that's what the people wanted, and that's what I'll change the format to now. So, yeah, good timing, I guess, if the Amazing Race thing is going to be nerfed. Not that it's worth that many whoppers, but it is sad. It is sad that people invent these fun ways to play, and if it doesn't align with the expectations from some people and some top players, like Flip Frenzy, then it gets nerfed and then fades off into oblivion. Yep, it's too bad. But, again, time efficiency, heaven forbid. I don't know if everyone was happy that Papa went from 8 in the morning until 3. I think people were happy that 72 people. But first of all, I'm not knocking Papa. Congratulations to ZMAC. Congratulations to the organizers. Congratulations to the people that donated to the wonderful 988 Foundation and everyone that put that together. I wish I was there. I was off to Italy, so I couldn't go, but plan on going in the future. Great job by Fox Cities Pinball for their stream. It's a long day. Eight until 3 a.m.? That's a long, long day. How do people, besides dosing themselves with ADHD medication that they may or may not be prescribed for, how do people keep themselves alert, Jeff? Because that is ridiculous. Cocaine, I assume. That's my only guess. Well, I mean, ADHD medication basically do have similar ingredients to other drugs, but it's, yeah, I couldn't do it. I couldn't be up from 8 or 3 a.m. Not that I'm good enough to do it, but if I was, oh, God. You know, it was a card format at UK Open, so qualifying, say, 10 in the morning until 11 or midnight. I took three hours off in between, even just to have a nap and, you know, just relax so I'm not go, go, go. I can't do it. It's just so physically hard, and I'm sorry, it's just not fun. It's not fun. It's not fun to be an organizer in that. It's not fun to a lot of times participate in that. Have you played in the 24-hour format before, Jeff? I've done it twice. And the first was to see if I could do it. Yes. And I had fun. After the second one, I'm like, okay, I've done it. I don't need to do it again. It wasn't so much the tournament that was hard. It was the days after. I find when I'm playing nonstop, I'm fine. When I'm not is when, you know, if you're moving, if you're playing, okay, I'm doing well. But if I'm sitting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting, it's a nightmare. That's to me why, you know, I disagree with the vote with your feet theory of Josh. When you look at something like the Pinball Expo tournament, which I love Pinball Expo. I can honestly say I'll never, ever, ever, ever play in that tournament. Again, I choose not to and so do a lot of other people I know. because that is it. Everyone makes the playoffs, and then you wait and you wait and you wait and you wait and you wait and you wait to figure out when you're going to play. And it kind of wrecks your days for me when there's other things I could be doing. At least you're at Pinball Expo in that case. Hey, dude, that'd be fine. But if you've got to wait around, you're like, I think I'm up soon. Oh, wait, there are two brackets behind. Do I have time to go off and get something to eat? Maybe, maybe not. because if somebody doesn't show in that bracket, they zip past you. Or, God, in years past, they made some people wait because there was a, what was it called? The Power 100 tournament going on. A lot of players were in that. Just not, I'm not saying it's not well run. I'm just saying the format of the tournament is not conducive to time efficiency, which I kind of like. You might be hearing a broken record there. I like things that are time efficient. There you go. Yeah, I have never played in a 24-hour tournament before. I think I would do it just for the novelty sake, but I know I'd be borrowing happiness from the next couple of days because I just would take a long time to recover. I am the grumpiest dude when I don't sleep, Jeff. I hate everything and everyone when I don't sleep. I can't imagine running that thing. But yeah, my pinball limit for how long I want to play pinball for competitively is kind of shrinking. I know you can do all-day events, Jeff. Like five hours is my sweet spot where I want to play pinball. After that, I'm like, I don't want to be here anymore. I love pinball. I love everyone here. But after five hours, there's no more dopamine that's getting released from my brain. It's like I need to do something else. Ryan, I told you I took three hours off. Some of that was to take a nap. I can't do the all-day stuff. But I will say this about 24-hour events. Pretty cool social event. Like you're all kind of in it together and you're all kind of rooting for each other. That was fun. So, you know, it's all suffering together is really what it is. Yeah, but it's the novelty factor of it. That's why I would do it. Let's suffer together and do this really hard thing. There's plenty of things like that in life, you know, Tough Mudder and stuff that people do that is really just hard and you want to say you did it for the sake of it. Tough Mudder is insane. Yeah, but people do it because they want to. They're like, let's do it together. I had a friend who walked for, there's a 100K walk. you just walk for 100ks which takes them close to 24 hours and by the end of it they are like absolutely dead um and it's to raise money you know for a charity but it's really it's just joint suffering let's let's get a group of people and let's make a pact to suffer together and i don't i feel like i would do that once off a pinball but not regularly i don't want why why do we have to make pinball less enjoyable hey there's a new movie coming out where i forgot It's about walking, and basically all these prisoners are walking, and if you stop walking, you die. So the last person gets their freedom, but if you stop walking... What's it called? I don't know. I saw the trailer for it. We'll get to movie reviews. Don't you worry. That's what Final Round's all about. We will get our movies in. But anyway, we should talk some specific pinball machines. Star Wars has come out since our last episode. none of us have played it why because i was in europe and they won't release it in europe much to the chagrin of every person i talk to i haven't played it because i am in australia we don't we don't have it yet yeah but you're getting it at least yeah how did they not bring it to europe explain that to me that will never make sense to me ever ever ever ever they're planning to get it to europe right yeah apparently didn't neil mccray get one i saw some facebook posts saying that yeah that doesn't mean he got it legally imagine imagine going to jail for importing a uh sorry you have violated international trademarks neil mccray and you must go to jail Listen, he posted it, so it's not like we're spilling any secrets. But still, the hoops he had to go through to get that? Not easy. And why? Why did he do it? Why are they not being sold in Europe? I read the reason. Give it to me, because that doesn't make sense. It has something to do with licensing, some licensing issue with possibly a different license holder. I think that's what I read. I should know this, Jeff, as a responsible and respected international podcast. You've had two weeks since our last show. This is the problem, Jeff. I learned it, and I just didn't write it down. Hey, here's a question, Jeff, about Star Wars. Do you have the Ellie artwork in front of you? No. Oh, look it up while I... I've watched all the Star Wars. I didn't grow up with it like other people. It doesn't mean as much to me as other people. I'm sorry. Other people can quote, you know, every planet and the type of materials on the ground and the planet and all that stuff. I remember things. I've watched it before. I enjoy it. Who is this person on the alley? This is how little I know about Star Wars. Because every time I'm like, yeah, I know Star Wars. It's some kind of Yeti. The alley artwork. Where? On the side cabinet. I'll copy and paste it in our chat. You know what's really funny? Right before we started recording. Oh, wait a minute. I got some more here. I googled Star Wars pinball and clicked the first link on Stern's website, and it sent me to the last Star Wars, the previous Star Wars, which I found quite funny. There's so many Star Wars pinball machines that... Hey, listen, it has the potential of being the best one. Yeah. The bar isn't super high by any means, but I'm on the L.A. picture. What am I looking for? Just the white yeti-looking creature on the sides. Who is that? Well, Luke's riding a Tauntaun, and if you remember in Empire Strikes Back, he got wiped out, and he was hung upside down, and then that monster was coming to get him. I forget what the monster's name is. It was in there, and he had to use the Force to get his lightsaber to chop off the arm of the beast. I need to re-watch these movies. Come on, dude. Sorry. That's iconic? That's an iconic scene? Yeah. It's the starting. It's the major. Because you think Luke's going to die. Luke will never die. And then he escapes, and then Han finds him and has to slice open a dead Tauntaun to keep warm. Come on, man. Sorry, my Tauntaun. Does it have a name, Jeff, since you know so much about it? It doesn't matter. Okay, this is all I'm going to say about Star Wars. Everyone wants the latest pinball machine to appeal to them. And even if it does appeal to them, they'll find things to complain about, because not everyone can afford to buy every single brand new pinball machine. I don't personally like the previous Star Wars pinball machine. In fact, I really don't like it. I think there's so many design flaws with the plunge, with the Death Star shot being too hard, which feeds the Hyperloop, which is the main toy on the Premium and the Alley, and you hardly get to see it. There's the multiplier rule. there's so much i don't like i bought that pinball machine jeff to to have a location and hire out it is the most desired pinball machine when i have it available to rent and now i have it on location and it makes not crazy amounts more money but it makes more money than the other pinball machines that it's sitting next to and it's not surprised so like when i see people being like blah blah blah blah blah i'm like mate it's not for you and this is the thing that helps grow pinball and it's okay if one pinball machine is not for you congratulations you just saved yourself between 10 and 20 000 in australia um so what matters more to you a great pinball machine like oh my god this is so much fun or a great ip that's an earner and i think i know the answer are you asking ryan the pinball player or ryan the pinball operator because it's it's the different different answers yeah i i i would like king kong for myself i would like star wars for location and for the betterment of pinball in general if someone puts money in a pinball machine and has fun i don't give a shit if the if you think the pinball machine sucks if that's helping grow pinball if it's if they put money in it and they plunge three balls in the out lane then they're not having a good time but that is a way of growing pinball is by having machines like star wars like as if stern wouldn't release a new star wars pinball machine every five years no brainer i'm confused as to why people are so angry but i think just because they want as i said everything they want a reason to not buy the latest pinball machine jeff or if you're neil mccray they want a reason to break international trademark laws. There's that too. I really want to play it. And I speak on behalf of anybody in Europe too that really wants to play it. So again, great earner. Why isn't it in Europe? I'm sure that will be reversed. I hope it'll be reversed. I hope they never make that honestly mistake again. That's just too big of a market not to cater to. And are tariffs part of that? I mean, you're getting hit with tariffs, aren't you? No, no. I mean, I think it's the opposite way around if someone wants to sell something to the u.s there's now this whole like australia post up shipping to the u.s like the major um government company uh postal company stopped for a little while but now they've fixed it but no tariffs haven't hit us but it's still available the like limited edition which in australia seems to either take a six months to sell out or instantly like it goes on the amd website sold out like by the time they list up their pinball machine they're like we can't get the limited edition because it's unavailable um but if i go there now eta november next week and next month sorry the star wars limited edition for 21 250 australian dollars is still available so i don't know not not selling well but it'll it's got a tail if you're new to pinball and you ring up and you say what new pinball machines do you have Dungeons and Dragons, The Uncanny X-Men, King Kong, and Star Wars. And John Wick. Which one do you think the majority of people are going to choose? Am I the only guy who likes John Wick? I haven't played enough to say that I don't like it, but what do you like about it? No, the majority of people don't, but I find it a fun game to play. And I know Tim Sexton's not there anymore. I saw him in the UK Open. I'm sure he had some big plans for that. I hope Stern does as well, because I like the layout. I like how you get beaten up. But you know what I've heard people say, and I guess there's some merit into that, is games with two flippers just are soul suckers. Soul suckers. Soul suckers. When a game only has two flippers, oh, I want more. Who are these people? Are you talking to the top 50 players in the world, Jeff? This is somebody who's a friend of mine who said that, and I laughed, and I thought, you're kind of not wrong. There's so much fun in three flippers. Like, think about it. One of the reasons I'm not crazy about Jaws is because, yes, there are three flippers, but that little one, eh. Most people just dropped it, and didn't even use it. So it's really a two-flipper game, except for the premium. I don't know. I do enjoy it. does feel empty when you play a game that has a really good third or even fourth flipper and you get into good rhythms of like hitting a shot and then you know it's it's exiting the orbit and you hit another shot and getting these amazing combos the satisfaction of that can't be beaten by a two flipper game especially when you jump straight to it but the simplicity jeff of a two flipper game um you know i go back to a classic like attack from mars it can be satisfying It can be you know Johnny Mnemonic There some games that flip very, very fun to flip with two flippers. A lot of them. Sure. Soul suckers. I don't know. Email in to finalroundpinball at gmail.com if you think two flipper games are soul suckers. Oh my gosh. That's the exact quote I heard. Don't laugh. There's a lot of things that suck my soul, Jeff, but it's not that. Oh, my. Oh, my. Okay. You know what sucked my soul? I was excited. I didn't even have big expectations, but I went and saw it anyway. Spinal Tap 2. The only movie where they put the rating out of 10 in the title. Oh, it was nice to see the characters again. The live stuff was fun. Here's a little note. if you're making a comedy it's tough to do sequels man it's how many great comedy sequels have there been very one very few 22 jump street no yes 22 jump street i forgot better than how no way are you like mr tubi no one's talking about oh my god you know the all-time greats it's caddy shack it's airplane it's naked gun and fucking 22 drum street come on have you watched the new naked gun jeff i did it was okay yeah it was it was decent i felt embarrassed to like it as much as i did it was one of those ones where you laugh and you're like ah why am i laughing this is so silly but that's that's fine that's the whole shtick that's it smile top two not not great i just saw a movie tonight actually before we start recording um uh and carson and i went and saw you don't probably don't know it's called the smashing machine no it's the rock it's like a oh i've seen that i've seen the trailers for this yeah good stop there that's all you need to see what did they do to his face that's when i was watching the trailer it's makeup it's makeup it's makeup it's contact lenses uh but they also different forehead wig but uh it just story-wise was like man why is this being done anyway so sorry i'd like to give good reviews you finally saw superman and fantastic four a long time ago that i mean superman was just wait you you saw both of them you talked about in the last episode you liked one and you didn't like the other i believe which one was i I didn't think Superman was the be-all and end-all. I thought the characters were great. Oh, that's right. You didn't like the shtick. You didn't like the comedy. The Guardians of Krypton. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It was just a little bit off. I'm like, you don't need to make this. Don't make Superman awkward. He's not an awkward. It's like they try and... That's what they do in Guardians. It's like they're trying to peddle the laughs out of an awkward teenager that finds TikToks funny. and there's an awkward comedy that is kind of funny, but it doesn't work with Superman. You can't make that guy awkward. If you love James Gunn and his movies, you'll love Superman because he makes one kind of movie and he does it over and over again. My son hates that I say that. He goes, every Quentin Tarantino movie is the same. I'm like, no, they're not. He goes, yes, there is. There's going to be a lot of N-words. There's going to be a lot of feet shots. I'm like, you're not wrong. What is your favorite Tarantino movie? Oh, there's by far, there's not even anything that's close. I will let you guess. Nothing comes close. I sit down in the chair. I know I'm in for a great ride. It's Pulp Fiction, obviously. I've watched it 15 times and it's not Pulp Fiction. Reservoir Dogs. It's not Reservoir Dogs. Inglourious Bastards. It's not Inglourious Bastards. Django. It's not Django. Django. What's that one? Okay, there's one that I snuck into as a kid and I need to watch it again. Jackie Brown. Great movie, not my favorite. So you've named five. You've only made nine. It better not be Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. It's a slow movie, but it's good. I like the acting in the movie. It's not that movie. So you've only got a few left. Wow. What's left? Fuck. You're killing me. Oh, Kill Bill. Kill Bill Volume 1 is... Kill Bill Volume 1 is the most fun I have watching movies. Period. Volume 2 can go fucking be shot out in the woods. It's terrible. Didn't they film it at the same time? Yes and no. There's a story behind that. It was too long of a movie. The studio made him chop it up, so he kind of extended certain things. And the pacing of 2 is just god-awful. One is just a crazy ride. Two is just dragged out boring and does nothing. I've seen it twice. I'll never need to see it again. Kill Bill 1, I'll watch. If it's on right now, I'm stopping the podcast to watch it because I know I'm just going to... It's just so fun. It's so good. What do you write, Death Proof? It's made like a B-movie. It's entertaining for the action, but not great. Yeah. Kill Bill. What a movie. Volume 1 only. was there someone who someone who made a pimmel machine of that yes yes what was it a re-theme of shit yeah i can't remember uh you saw fantastic four that was kind of that's that's fun like really artistic good movie my only complaint about fantastic four was i need to see more of thing doing thing things and more of the fantastic four doing fantastic four shit yes the world was impressive maybe wanted to remodel my house and have everything with that aesthetic um but it was yeah i don't know it's one of those movies that i watch and i'm like that was that was a solid seven out of ten and then one week later i've my brain has deleted it um and i i can't all i remember was that this is going to spoil the movie so just fast forward 20 seconds if you're listening the main storyline like was just don't fuck with with a mom because she will increase her powers to save her baby like it was like she's a certain amount of power and then because she was an angry mom protecting her baby, she just got really powerful. The end. Yep. Yep. That's exactly it. I saw a new Star Wars trailer for Mandalorian and Grogu. Yeah. You know what we didn't even talk about, the Star Wars pinball machine? We didn't talk about Spike 3. Yeah. I know a lot of people are pissed off about Spike 3. What are they angry about, Jeff? Well, as I was playing Disco Maiden at the UK Open, loving that, I'm like, That's dead with Spike 3. Anybody who wants to... I think you or other people I know have Guardians of the Galaxy and they've changed it to put the movie clips in. They've done it to Jurassic Park. Whether it's ACDC putting in different songs. So why is that now disabled? Can't do it. It'll brick your machine. Is there still an SD card slot? Just try it and watch your game get bricked. Can't make those kind of alterations. I think Stern rightfully or wrong they are probably sick and tired of defending the license holders like what the fuck I didn't agree to this this this and this well no no no don't worry it was somebody they custom designed it to add these songs or add these movie clips and so I think people are getting a little pissed off or they're fearful of their licenses they've talked about it for years so I think Spike 3 nerfs it I mean, Stern was the only one that you could do that to. I mean, people have tried before to get into the JGP system, and you can't get into their file system because it's encrypted. You can see all the files, but you can't play around with it. So, I don't know. It was nice while I was around, but that's not a reason to not get the machines or anything. Like, I can't hack my machine. No, but if you put out a game like Jurassic Park, which, by the way, is a brilliant, wonderful game, And you want to make it Jurassic Park because there's nothing in the game that is Jurassic Park the movie, except for a little picture of fucking Nedry. You can mod up your machine, but you can't change the callouts. You can't add clips, all those other fun things that I love seeing people do, by the way. I love it, too. And I love my... When I reverted my Jurassic Park back to normal firmware because I put Insider Connect on it, I didn't recognize it anymore. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, that callout is different. and that scene is this shitty little animation and I just forgotten. Just like my Walking Dead. If I heard a normal Walking Dead, I wouldn't recognize it because everyone has the firmware with Negan and all the great characters they didn't have on there. You know what that is, Ryan? Two words. Soul sucker. I think that's the video that you tried to watch when you opened up Pornhub in the UK. Okay. One of those words might have been in there. Oh, poor Bruce. He's going to get a letter. What else have you got, Jeff? You've got some notes. I've got some notes. Oh, Pinball Olympics. Okay. I've been to Pinball Expo once, and this thing was running, and I didn't know. And I'm pretty sure it sells out very, very quickly. But there's a thing called the Pinball Olympics, Jeff, which I think most people would know about. But it's pinball without the whoppers, Jeff. When you don't care about whoppers and time format, you can do whatever you want. And what these fine gentlemen and gentle ladies do is they modify the shit out of pinball machines to be really weird and wacky. What's an example? Like playing with the flippers, using your feet to step on pedals, having the tilt bob attached to a helmet that you are wearing so you can't move your head while you're playing. these are really basic ones that I saw years ago they've gone really advanced but recently I saw a post from Scott Danesi there's a room to play TNA in and I'm not sure if you've seen this post yet it's on a turntable not they had one years ago on a turntable so you're playing it, it's spinning around yeah this post was about there's a room, a custom room to play TNA in and I believe it's a soundproof room and the TNA soundtrack is blasting. But also, the entire room is rigged up with strobe lights, which will strobe the shit out of everything while you play. And I got a headache watching the video, so I can't imagine what it's like in real life. I would love to go to the Pinball Olympics, Jeff. Have you ever got plans on going? Have you been? Do you know people who have gone? I know lots of people who have gone, and I would love to go, to answer your question. The only thing that is difficult is it's about an hour away from Expo, so I would need to spend a lot of time at Expo to be able to afford the four hours plus. You could just do it in between rounds. No, no, I don't give a shit about the tournament at all. When I go to Expo, it's to, first of all, see all the homebrew. They had 40 of them last year. That just blows me away to see how people have rethemed games, how they've made games from scratch. It's such a wow moment. If you're going to Expo, please check it out. And then, of course, Rob Burke's wonderful collection. A lot of the stuff comes from past times in his own personal collection. Incredible vendors. If you're going to Expo, as much as you like to play all the different pinball machines, do that. But really check out the vendors too. There's some unique stuff there that you'll only find at things like Pinball Expo, things like Texas Pinball Festival. You had some festivals there recently, I think, in Australia, too. And we might have even screwed up a few of them on the last program. You know, we've got to be careful. We've got to be careful. When we screw things up, you know, whatever we said about, was it Pin Festival? What was it called? Melbourne Pinball Expo. Melbourne Pinball Expo. Actually, sorry. I said something about the Australian. You screwed up again? I'm sorry, Jeff. It's hard. Don't be sorry to me. You get the nasty emails about screwing up and do your research. Research? What the hell is research? Anyway, first of all, if you're listening to this program to fact find, you, you, the listener, I've got some bad news for you. Nothing we say is true. So there, there's the disclaimer. There you go. I mean, shit, when we were talking about... Sometimes we do filter each other, right? we do like we were talking about that fest or whatever in melbourne you know we said okay what can we say about such and such people hmm i'm not sure but we probably shouldn't say they were big on epstein island so we'll take that out just because we're not sure so we have to be very very careful about the things we say so sometimes we do filter sometimes we screw things up oh you gotta live you live there enjoy my friend enjoy the madness of people that like to take pictures of parking lots. Good luck to you. I'm not answering my phone this week. Good luck. I'm not answering my phone. There are only five cars in the lot this week. Okay, that's Jeff, not me. But just in case you didn't recognize the voice. Moving on. Moving on. Jeff, color DMDs and pinta DMDs. You know about them, obviously. What's pinta? pin to no yeah pin to dmd it's my accent jeff sorry mate i have a color dmd i love it i think i love color if i yeah they really are i have one on my simpsons what's second best is uh pin to dmd because color dmds are so expensive now with the exchange rate for an australian person it is really cost prohibitive but if you have a broken dmd or your dmd is starting to just get a couple little lines or dead pixels. I bought a bunch of pin to DMDs from a guy here in WA called Retro City and pretty cheap. If I was going to replace a DMD, it wouldn't have been that much cheaper. And it's color, it's not as good as a color DMD. It does have like some issues transitioning from one scene to another, but 85% as good as a color DMD, I think, and less than half the price. So I I got like six or seven of them. I just, my whole collection now is being pinned to DMD. I have no more uncoloured dots. Everything is colour, Jeff. It's a shout out. If you're interested in doing that, grab one. They're decent. How much did they pay you to say that? Zero dollars, Jeff. Bullshit. No, zero dollars. There's only one person that sells them in Australia. It's not like anyone has any other options if they want it. You can build them yourself, I believe. It's not worth it. yeah i don't know who sells them worldwide jeff but just look up pinto dmd and buy it from whoever's your your local person that was an audio hand job if i ever heard one well it's good i'm gonna shout out good i'm not against selling shit i just think wow that's i said it's not as good as color dd it's like 85 as good okay it was what else do you want to uh what else do you want to plug i mean talk about uh it's an old post now multi-morphic jerry wrote this giant post um about how tariffs were affecting him and and the possible business options and um you know including stop making products raising prices it's hard i don't i don't envy people that are making pinball machines in this climate, you know, everything changing as quickly as it's changed. I'm not going to repeat everything that he wrote. It's a public post. Look up Gerry Stellenberg, S-T-E-L-L-E-N-B-E-R-G. And if you enjoy great pinball machines, use code Ryan C for 5% off all pinball products. I get a little kickback from that. Yep. What was the code again? PIN2DMD? I forget. What was it? Anyway, listen. You know, speaking of Multimorphic, I don't know if I mentioned this last time. It was two weeks ago. So, go giggle. TorWolks. Can we just name this episode TorWolks? Yes, yes. I played Portal. God, is it fun. If I mentioned it before, I hope you get a chance to play it. It's been out a little more, and I hope it's at Expo. Ian Ian Harrower, good job on the rules. Great artwork from Brad Brad Albright. And just holy shit, the whole team did a wonderful job. I love, now as I kid with you about Pindu DMD, here I am stroking Multimorphic, but I'll do it because I think they are so much fun. And I see in the future, as long as tariffs aren't a pain in the ass, Me getting one of those machines because they're just so cost efficient with all the different modules you can get. And they've got a lot of fun games. I remember the first time I played Heist, I was like, my goodness. And why I liked Portal. And again, I don't know anything about that IP. But just with the ramps that came down in the middle of the play field, there was just a lot of fun shots. Where the ball going to go I love that kind of stuff It kind of like why I like Labyrinth too is where the ball going to go I love games that make you shoot the whole play field That why I like Keith games so much Give me games where... Now, that being said, I also love ACDC. You can play that entire game hitting three shots. Period. Jeff, it only has two flippers. It sucks you so out of that game. I think that's one of the songs. I changed it, though. It pins out. Anyway, Anyway, soul sucker. It's a long way to the top if you want to suck your soul. We need more singing. I like the Ryan's. Are we going to do any more AI songs, by the way? We've got to do a song about soul sucking. Soul sucking. Oh, God. Let's not. Let's not. Let's not do that part of it. I like the soul sucking thing. But what sucks your soul is long tournaments. We mentioned that. and how they'll never, ever, ever, ever be televised. You know, like, fuck, when you're on Twitch and you're replacing batteries on the same day, your tournaments may be too long, right? These 15-hour batteries. Anyway, what is going to get eyes? Let me just, I mean, right now we're in October. I'm all about baseball. Like, this is the one day I could record because I'm off to Detroit tomorrow. I'll be seeing a bunch of Jays games. I'm seeing the Tigers play. I'm in heaven in October. It means nothing to you in Australia, but it does to me here. Anyway, TV just doesn't embrace pinball. It has nothing to do with the horizontal screen and a vertical game, because that means nothing. Twitch does a great job. That's all wonderful. But it's the length of these fucking games and these tournaments. It's not fun. Give me a two-minute challenge. Give me a five-minute game. change something, it'll be great. I'm going to sound like a broken record again, but I don't care. Why? Because these are the fucking sports that are getting more eyeballs on TV and coverage than pinball. Pinball is great. We have a lot of players. It's all around the world. It's global. But it does nothing compared to... Remember when you were talking last time about slap fests? Yeah. That's what they called the official trademark slap fests. slap fest. Whatever the fuck it's called. Where people just knock the shit out of each other. That gets more eyeballs. Do you want to know what else does? And I'm not making any of this up. You thought slapping was big? Google this. As a sport. Ear tugging. Do it right now. Ear tugging. Oh, it's taking me straight to porn again, Jeff. Don't type in just tugging. Come on. you spell ear wrong ear tugging it's uh okay well my it's it's gone to raising children it's talking about how it's i'll give you another one all right you know slam tilt they like to give you a 30 digit number to type into ebay would you would you not buy it i'm just giving you two words sorry it's a jeff oh sorry you're pulling yes that is a real sport and yes eyeballs Big time. Okay? I'm not going to give you a 30-digit number. I'm going to give you two words to type in. These are sports that have bigger views than pinball. We mentioned slap. We mentioned ear tugging. I'm not even making this up. Door hanging. Door hanging. Door hanging. Cup stacking. That means everyone does cup stacking. You see that everywhere. Door hanging. I saw one. I don't know where in Asia it was, but it's a real thing, and it's a contest. and the audience was huge for balloon popping. The one where there's two rows of people shoving the balloons underneath their butt? Yep. Okay, you've seen it. It's huge. Their asses are huge. Me and Jeff have been sending weird videos to each other for the whole two weeks that we haven't recorded. And there's a lot. There's an unlimited amount of random wacky sports out there that are way more fun than Tim All to Watch. I really like, I think we talked about it last time, I really like the one where people cut things in half and have to try and cut things perfectly in half and weigh it and they get odd shaped things. Like people have shared 15 second clips of it but I watched like the half hour world championship and it was nail biting to watch their strategy and how they go about trying to measure. Anyway. By the way, also bigger than pinball is simply nail biting. I'm sure there's a channel of that. Who can get that? Ew. Oh my God, is he doing? Yeah, he's going for his big toe. No, but we haven't seen that since. You know what we forgot to do? Fuck. We forgot our virtual pinball updates. Oh, damn it. What is that guy doing? We also forgot that segment that we made up and what year. if all the pinball machines came out. We got no consistency, Jeff, because two weeks is just too fucking short. It seems like a lot longer, doesn't it? And you forget. Yeah, that's on us. That's on us. We'll be back in two weeks. Two weeks, we'll fix that up. Yeah, for sure. But anyway, what else do we have? Nick Stein. I made a nickname. When I'm doing commentating, I like to have fun, again, because I know that pinball itself is kind of boring. It is, and I play it all the time. But I like to have a little fun. I like to get excited when things are exciting that happen. Like, I forget what else happened. The UK opened. A guy basically hit a fuck and it rejected me. And he's like, look at the pill machine. He's like, what the hell happened here? And I'm like, he got fucked! Anyway, but Nick Stein was playing. And if you've ever watched Nick Stein play, You know what a tap pass is on an old ballet game, right? Where you're on one flipper and you try to tap on another. The ball rolls down a little bit and you do a little micro tap and it flips over softly to the other flipper. Easier to do on older machines. Not if you're Nick Stein. This guy does them on modern games. He'll do it on any game. And he doesn't even cradle up. He does it on the fly. It's crazy to watch. Gave him a new nickname at the UK Open. I hope it sticks. Now that we're broadcasting this to at least 20 people, it should stick. Nick Stein, Stein-o-tap. You thought Stein-o-tap. Make it stick. That is a horrible, that's too many syllables. Shirts are being done. Bullshit. What do they call when you go from one flipper up another in lane? What do they call that shot? Shats. The shats after Neil Shats. So Nick Stein, you got the Stein-o-tap. Stein-o, it's too many syllables. It's like calling the shats a shats-a-roo. That's a shats-a-roozy. That's not going to stick. It's just a shats. Or a lazzy. A laz. If you call it a... When you tap on the fly, it's called the steinel tap. Trust me. On the fly as in it's coming down the in-lane? On the fly, it's coming down the in-lane. You don't even cradle up. You're like, holy shit. How did that just float across? Steinel tap. Trust me. Yeah, okay. Let's see. Just trust me. Jeff, you're going to have to do a lot of commentating to get this to catch on. I don't think the 20 people listening. Levy can have boom. Levy's got some good ones too. What's he say? When you get cute, you get the boot. Anyway. So it's not if you're cradling up and you tap pass. No, that's not a tap pass. When you do it on the fly, it's the stack. You're saying only one person does it. So how is this going to catch on? Let's put it this way. eyeballs watching him because I said, watch what this guy does. And he's only been traveling this year, guys, and he's from Davis, California, so people know him in that area, but he's really been doing a lot of traveling. He went to the EPC this year. He went to the World Championships in Austria. And the first time I heard about him, someone said, watch this guy on the fly do these tap passes. And you blink and you miss it. So anyway, Nick Stein, you're an awesome player, a.k.a. StinoTap. StinoTap. Okay, the greatest movie that ever came out. Stainless Trap 2. Yep. All right, Jeff. I think I've... That's enough. Sorry, I said that's enough, and now I'm going back into pinball mode. Go ahead. Have you seen the Casa Bonita pinball machines? What are they? First of all, do you know what Casa Bonita is? No. Bonita's house? No, it's a place to eat food in the US, and it was going broke and the South Park people saved it and lost silly amounts of money doing it. Oh, I heard about that, yeah. Yeah, but they did it because they love it and made a documentary out of it. Anyway, there are pinball machines at Casa Bonita and they're re-things of Primus slash Cancrusher, but they just look amazing. I know I should know who made these pinball machines, but I just sent you a picture on Messenger. Look it up. Casa Bonita. Casa Bonita. Casa Bonita. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. If you're a South Park fan, there's a whole episode on it. Anyway, I just thought I wanted to mention it because it just... Yeah, I'll check it out. Sorry. That is a re-theme. Okay. Casa Bonita. I'm looking at the picture you sent me. Oh, okay. Yeah, I've seen these before. That's interesting. Couldn't do it if it was Spike 3, Jeff. Couldn't do it if it was Spike 3. Ryan, good luck with the AI song at the end when we sign off. There'll be something at the end there. I have a feeling it'll be about soul-sucking. I could be wrong. Hey, we did get emails. I'm tired. I've got to go to Detroit in a few hours. Don't worry. We'll be back in two weeks. We've ignored all the emails from the lawyers. Yeah. Come on. Let us be. What are you going to get out of us? Really, right? Just a couple of dollar-y dues. Some some... I've already forgotten it. This is not going to catch on. Stinal Tap. Some Stinal Taps. You'll get a one Stinal Tap dollar. No. And maybe three pin two DMDs. Who knows? From retrocity.com.au, possibly. And go buy Multimorphic as well. Ryan's safe for 5% off. That's a lot of money. They're expensive machines. And if you're using dark websites in the UK, just grab yourself a picture of Bruce Nightingale. You'll save a lot of money. I'll tell you that right now. It's the way to go. If Jerry's listening, Jerry, you should... The Melbourne Pinball Expo, we've got June, we've got Protetor has landed, we've got all the new pinball machines, everything is being shown. Send down... Send it to my house and I'll bring it along. I'll send it back if you want it back or I'll keep it if shipping is too expensive. Send down a Multimorphic. Jerry from Multimorphic. not going to sell machines unless you have them at expos jerry send this send this up email me i'll put you in contact with the people mel bimble expo it's going to be big there have to be people there that have uh multimorphics you you and marty used to play them yeah there's one guy but he should send a new one down jeff so i can play it don't you see what i'm trying to do here jeff it's pretty blatant yeah all right guys okay uh where can people email us so that we don't hey we read them and we respond to them. We just might not read them on air. If they're funny, we'll read them on air. Email us at finalround... Sorry, Robert Byers. Finalroundpinball at gmail.com or just go to our website, finalroundpinball.com. You've got links to our social media there. You can download all the episodes. You can listen to us on Spotify, sometimes on YouTube when we're not getting flagged for copyright infringement. By the way, Do you know what I got nailed on Spotify for pinball profile? We're going to remove 40 of your shows because it's got music in it. No shit, it's got music in it. But so does every other podcast. Maybe not licensed music, but I'm pretty sure, not trying to get them in trouble because I love them, Slamtail Podcast plays Steel Panther every single show. They play a Ringo Starr song every single show. What's the Steel Panther song? It's the intro. Just Like Tiger Woods is the song. I feel like if you do less than a certain amount of time, then it doesn't get flagged. Or maybe Ron knows the secret and he's modified the pitch or something that gets past the automatic checks. It's not someone sitting there. It's just an algorithm, Jeff. It's just an algorithm. I've been using some fake songs as intros lately on Pinball Profile. I've got some good sites that are doing cover versions, if you will, of famous songs. I'm like, all right, that'll work. Until that gets flagged, we'll see. Who cares? What's really funny, actually, is that Spotify actually tries to create chapters to know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah. And they also have an automatic transcript. and if you our last episode was you know number 88 completely original was so ridiculous and um yeah just try and read the the transcript or look at the chapters it's just it's just ridiculous case in point watch how they spell jeff teolas wanting me close ryan c they fuck that up all the time too and um i say i say the word fuck a lot jeff um at least 50 times in the last episode So that's disgusting. The transcripts are funny because, yeah, they're off. But I like when they have segments. Like, we don't put that in. I thought when I saw that on Spotify, I'm like, what? It tries to guess what the segment's about. I like it. And it usually takes a little while. It's not right away, but it's a few days later. Love it. It's a giggle. All right. Good night. Two weeks, eh? We'll be right back. Two weeks. All right. For sure. For sure. Thanks a lot, Jeff. See you, Ryan. It's the final round The final round Yeah, we talking about pinball tonight Turn that groove up, baby Cause the flippers ain't right Two flippers on the playfield, that just ain't fair I'm shooting for the ramp, but there's nothing there Where's the third one, baby? Give me that juice These two flipper soul suckers just got no use The lights are flashing, the crowd's asleep This table's playing tricks that I can't keep I said this game's dry, man, no zing or zip Somebody call Steve Ritchie and fix this shit, oh Where's the third flipper? Give me that soul Juice ain't enough to make me roll Just playing bad, yeah, what a shame Cause someone pooped their pants mid-game Where's the third flipper? Give me that soul You just ain't enough to Make me roll Jeff's playing bad Yeah, what a shame Cause someone pooped their pants mid-game Yeah, now Jeff's in the corner with Bruce's phone Watching questionable things he should've left alone Bruce said, man, that's my data plan Jeff said, don't worry, I'm a classy man He's still complaining about whoppers too Said Josh, y'all mess up, man What's new? Then the new Star Wars game lit up the floor He said, it's not that bad, but the bar's so high I can't ignore. Yeah, Jeff and Ryan got a movie show Reviewing stuff from years ago People seen them all, they just don't care Too little, too late, the takes ain't rare Ryan shops Red Tri-City, that's my crew But we all know he's selling out too Got that sponsor check, feeling high class While Jeff's still talking, Whopper's gassing up the glass Where's the third flipper? I can't feel my soul You ain't enough to make me roll Them muscles pourin' What can I say? I'd rather watch you tuggin' any day Here's a third flipper I can't feel my soul So ain't it love to make me roll? Them muscles pourin' What can I say? I'd rather watch you tuggin' any day Oh, Jeff, my man, your shot's a weak Weak shot, bad streak Somebody poop out, now you lost your streak Oh, that stinks, literally Oh, Brian's talkin' bout the force again Mr. Point, my friend We'll be right back.