Episode 945: "Will Wick Work For Stern?

Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)·podcast_episode·13m 5s·analyzed·May 4, 2024

Analysis

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TL;DR

Kaneda predicts John Wick pinball will be another Venom-like underperformer despite strong IP recognition.

Summary

Kaneda speculates that Stern's upcoming John Wick pinball game will fail to resonate with the core pinball demographic despite the film franchise's box office success. He argues the theme lacks nostalgic appeal and emotional resonance compared to classic properties, predicts minimal mechanical 'wow factor,' and expects poor sales for a $13,000 Limited Edition—drawing parallels to the Venom machine. He also voices concern that the game won't translate the film's gunplay and action sequences into compelling pinball mechanics.

Key Claims

John Wick film franchise has grossed over $1 billion at the box office
high confidence · Kaneda stated this as factual background on the IP's commercial success
The latest John Wick movie alone made over $400 million globally
high confidence · Kaneda providing specific box office figures for the most recent film
John Wick will be designed by a brand new designer Stern has never worked with, following a Keith Elwin game
medium confidence · Kaneda states this early in the episode as announced information, but does not name the designer
The game will retail for $13,000 for the Limited Edition
medium confidence · Kaneda references '$13,000 a pop' for John Wick L.E.s as a known pricing point
Stern will produce 1,000 Limited Edition units of John Wick
medium confidence · Kaneda states 'Stern Pinball makes a thousand John Wick L.E.s' as an assumption about production volume

Notable Quotes

“Will this be a theme that the pinball buying demographic will warm up to and will support?”
Kaneda @ ~0:45 — Frames the central question of the episode
“John Wick hasn't made its way into our souls. It hasn't made its way into our veins.”
Kaneda @ ~8:30 — Expresses his core concern about the theme's emotional resonance relative to classic pinball properties
“I think this game is gonna come out. I don't think it's gonna have a lot of wow mechanisms in it.”
Kaneda @ ~12:15 — Key prediction about mechanical design philosophy
“I think this is going to be their next Venom.”
Kaneda @ ~13:00 — Central comparison predicting underwhelming sales and reception
“How do you recreate that in pinball format? And I just don't think it's going to work.”
Kaneda @ ~16:45 — Summarizes his skepticism about translating the film's core action elements to pinball mechanics
“I don't think John Wick is a game that's gonna crush it on location. I just think this is like a B-level theme for Stern.”
Kaneda @ ~15:00 — Expresses low expectations for both collector and operator appeal
“Everybody wait and see. Stern Pinball makes a thousand John Wick L.E.s, at thirteen thousand a pop, They're all gonna be worth like $9,000 in just like eight months.”
Kaneda @ ~19:00 — Predicts secondary market depreciation and advises against immediate purchase

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyJohn Wickgame Keanu Reevesperson Kanedaperson Keith Elwinperson Jersey Jack Pinballcompany VenomgameThe Matrix

Signals

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product_strategy: Kaneda expresses concern that John Wick, despite strong box office performance, lacks the nostalgic resonance and cultural penetration needed to justify its premium $13K price point in the pinball collector market
high · John Wick hasn't made its way into our souls... it's not the kind of movie that you dream about... I just not sure that Stern Pinball will be successful in selling a John Wick game
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design_philosophy: Kaneda predicts the game will prioritize code/software over mechanical innovation, with minimal 'wow factor' mechanics—expecting only flow-heavy design without upper/lower playfields or substantial toys
high · I think they're going to make a game with a lot of flow... I think you're gonna make a game with a lot of software, but I don't think you're gonna see a game with a lot of mechanical wow in it
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sentiment_shift: Despite John Wick's status as a well-regarded action franchise, Kaneda expresses skepticism that the theme will generate consumer demand or enthusiasm in the pinball market
high · I think people are going to be curious about it... but I don't think John Wick is The Games People really want right now
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collector_signal: Kaneda predicts rapid depreciation of John Wick LE units from $13K retail to ~$9K secondary market value within 8 months, suggesting weak long-term collector appeal
medium · If Stern makes a thousand John Wick L.E.s, at thirteen thousand a pop, They're all gonna be worth like $9,000 in just like eight months
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competitive_signal: Kaneda identifies future IP releases (Matrix, Harry Potter, Back to the Future) as stronger collector priorities that will draw demand away from John Wick purchases

Transcript

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This game is going to be a brand new designer that we've never heard of right following a Keith Elwin game in Now, let's talk about it. All right, so first and foremost, how are we going to dissect this? We're not going to see the game until Tuesday, but let's just talk about the theme, the theme of John Wick. Now, look, if you've seen these movies and you're a man that grew up in the 80s and the 90s and you grew up on action movies and you love The Matrix and you love Schwarzenegger and you love John Woo films like The Killer, Like this is John Wick. It's a movie in which a guy is a retired hitman and they kill his dog and it's like the Russian Mafia and he hides his weaponry under the concrete floor of his garage. And if I'm spoiling anything right now, you're not gonna buy this game. The movie is out for so many years that the statue of limitations on spoiling the theme of John Wick is well past due. The movies are super awesome. They are super fun. They are literally like John Woo meets the Matrix meets Keanu Reeves meets a guy that can only kill you with a headshot. Plans are set into Riddle of waiting for I don think so But that being said think about the pinball landscape right now Where most of the pinball buying demographic is men, 40 to 60. And you're hitting them right now, just right now in the pinball world. You're hitting them with jaws, Which is a slow movie from the 1970s about a shark that eats a few people. You're hitting people with Looney Tunes. You're hitting people with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which really only appeals to the people making the game. You're hitting people with The Princess Bride. You're hitting people with Pulp Fiction, but not really. That game doesn't have any clips from the movies. It doesn't have any of the scenes from the movies coming at you. It's more just like callouts and only five songs. It's not really like a modern pinball game where you're playing through the Pulp Fiction movie. And then you're coming at us with stuff like Abba. You're coming at us with stuff like what else is right now new in the pinball world? Barry O's Barbecue Challenge. You're coming at us with Ninja Clips. You're coming at us with all these other games elemental like like seriously when you think about it it's like thank you stern pinball for bringing out a game that's geared towards men that like action movies now will John Wick work for Stern pinball you know will this game be enough to get people to plop down money that's what I'm going to talk about on this short episode of Canadian's pinball podcast billion dollar The movie is going to be a fifth movie. It's one of the only franchises where the sequels have all individually earned more money than the original movie. The original movie made like 80 million at the box office and the last John Wick movie alone globally made over 400 million dollars. Now here's the thing. I still don't think John Wick though has enough nostalgia, like has enough of a fan base, has enough of like a community around this property. Sure, I've seen every movie, I've enjoyed them, they're fun, but John Wick hasn't made its way into our souls. It hasn't made its way into our veins. It not the kind of movie that you dream about that you can wait to watch again It the kind of movie where like maybe you seen it once and that it You not going to see each of them like multiple times And even though it appeals more to like modern men than Elton John I just not sure that Stern Pinball will be successful in selling a John Wick game If they gonna make a thousand Ellie at a pop and they want people to buy premiums for like $9,500 that's what has me concerned about John Wick And I know we're gonna see a lot about this game on Tuesday We're gonna see who's designing it what mechs are in it and the music in the trailer when I heard the music Atomic��arnat intrinsic Greg R Mutta, Trev Mondac odpow Karl De infectriment, Dave Palin Ár, Lytzy тебя, Leave ins Home by Edina, I feel like Jersey Jack Pinball has the only light show that would do this sort of techno rave hitman music justice. It's not gonna work with Stern Pinball. And I think what's gonna happen is this, and this is just Kaneda's prediction. I think this game is gonna come out. I don't think it's gonna have a lot of wow mechanisms in it. And I also just don't think people are gonna like be won over By a Stern john wick game for this much money and I think this is going to be the ultimate test of stern pinball is because I feel like when I think about it, this is going to be their next venom. It's not going to be bad. Trust me, it's not going to be bad. It's going to be fun like every stern machine, but I just don't think there's going to be enough there. And that's my thing is like now that these games are so expensive. And now that everybody's looking In the meantime, I'm just gonna let you know that, like, I'm not trying to bring this game out of my gaming room, I'm just trying to bring my game into my gaming room. I don't think John Wick has it. I don't think John Wick as a theme is gonna make you wanna remove a game from your gaming room. 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Story In a really long time. I don't think this is the kind of theme that is going to make people like have to have it. I think people are going to be curious about it. I think we're going to play it on location, but I don't think John Wick is the game people really want right now. And that's just my two cents. And I just want to say this right now. I don't think John Wick is going to be a super successful game for Stern. In inclusion of ROM parallite, 194 And by the way they did not say, the All these are just a bunch of boxes people want checked for pinball and I think there is just a lot more coming around the corner that is going to make people want to wait for that I still think we are going to get a Matrix Pinball Machine, we are going to get a Harry Potter Pinball Machine, we are going to get Back to the Future and again, as much as I love these movies, just because I love a movie, doesn't mean it's right for pinball. The other part is as I think about John Wick Pinball, it's not the kind of theme that screams out like world under glass. Like these would be the mechanisms. These would be the things I'd want to see in a John Wick game. And that's the thing. And I think what Stern's going to do, I think they're going to make a game with a lot of flow. I think you're gonna make a game with a lot of software, but I don't think you're gonna see a game with a lot of mechanical wow in it. I just don't. And we're probably gonna get like a cheap Mustang, we're gonna get a cheap way to like load balls into the chamber of the Gun, we're probably not gonna get any lower or upper playfields in this game, we're gonna get a cheap sculpt or plastic of the Continental. And that's the thing about John Wick Pinball is like to me, when I think about the John Wick movies, it's all about Keanu Reeves going berserk, chasing down this like Russian Arabian Mafia, shooting a hundred guys in the head with his gun. How do you recreate that in pinball format? And I just don't think it's going to work. So this is going to be a little bit of a short episode of Canadian Pinball Podcast. I'm waiting for the baby to come. The List of If you know what we want, I know what's around the corner, and John Wick, albeit a curious theme, a contemporary theme in pinball, it's just not going to be a game that's going to separate you from thirteen thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, and everybody's just going to wait and see on this title. Because we all know, if Stern makes a thousand John Wick L.E.s, at thirteen thousand a pop, They're all gonna be worth like $9,000 in just like eight months. Everybody wait and see. Kaneda loves you. John Wick, I can't wait to see what they do, but it's just gonna be the next Venom from Stern. Kaneda out.