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Episode 235 – Backwards Speedo

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 28m·analyzed·Sep 10, 2024
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt hosts celebrate Stern's Uncanny X-Men reveal while previewing Jersey Jack's Avatar.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss the newly teased Stern Uncanny X-Men pinball machine and Jersey Jack's upcoming Avatar reveal. Bruce expresses unusual enthusiasm for X-Men due to its artwork by Zombie Yeti and innovative playfield design by Jack Danger, including Gottlieb-inspired mechanics like gold wings bottom and breaking habit trails. They also cover Jersey Jack's Avatar with six flippers and multiple playfields, debate game burial dynamics (X-Men likely overshadowing John Wick), and touch on recent pinball community news including Stan Lee's passing.

Key Claims

  • Jack Danger designed Uncanny X-Men with 15 mechanical features total, likely exceeding John Wick and other recent Stern releases

    medium confidence · Bruce references Zach's count of '15 mechs' including kickers and slingshots; hosts note Godzilla LE had approximately 9-10 mechs

  • The X-Men playfield design draws heavily from Gottlieb games, particularly Gold Wings, including gold wings flipper placement and breaking habit trail mechanics never before seen

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce explicitly compare bottom design to Gold Wings; discuss innovative hand-operated habit trail breaking and ball-throwing mechanics as novel

  • Artwork alone on Uncanny X-Men could drive sales of approximately 1,000 units due to quality and marketing appeal

    low confidence · Ron speculates 'the art alone probably sells 1,000 units'; hosts note marketing failure by not displaying at Comic-Con

  • Jersey Jack's Avatar will feature six flippers, upper and lower playfields, regular and blacklight modes, and the highest bill of materials for any JJP game since original Wizard of Oz

    medium confidence · Hosts cite NAP Arcade rumors marked as '99% sure correct'; details sourced from unofficial leaks

  • Mark Seiden has been designing Avatar for Jersey Jack for three years

    high confidence · Ron confirms 'He's been working on the game for three years. That's true.'

  • Uncanny X-Men will bury John Wick in sales similar to how Jaws buried other Stern releases

    medium confidence · Bruce predicts 'This is going to bury John Wick' and notes 'Jaws did you know and then you know yes we got a lot of game burial going on'

  • Bruce is unusually enthusiastic about a Stern game for the first time, expressing preference for artwork quality and mechanical innovation

    high confidence · Ron notes 'I thought someone had stolen his phone' and 'I never thought this day would come.' Bruce previously criticized original X-Men and other recent Stern releases.

  • Wason is the rules programmer for Uncanny X-Men and previously worked on original X-Men and Jurassic Park home edition with Jack Danger

Notable Quotes

  • “I like the artwork. The artwork's fucking awesome. Holy shit, though. On the LE, on the left-hand side, the left flipper side, you see the Days of Future Past cover of Comic Book 140, which is Wolverine in a spotlight with his claws up and defending Old Kitty Pride. Just the artwork. I saw it. I was like, oh, my fucking God, it's fucking awesome.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~13:00-14:30 — Bruce's passionate articulation of X-Men's artistic appeal, marking a rare moment of enthusiasm for a Stern release

  • “I never thought this day would come. You would thought, like, you know, I'd just be an asshole all the fucking time. All the time, but wow. I am really digging this.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~32:15 — Ron's meta-commentary on Bruce's unusual positivity about a Stern machine, establishing this as a noteworthy sentiment shift

  • “This is going to bury John Wick. That's one of the first things I thought of, unfortunately... If I had a pro coming next week and I put this hey Zach many if you need a storage spot I am your man... If you put this next to John Wick... Oh, it's a nightmare. You know how many people are going to ignore John Wick?”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~35:00-37:00 — Bruce explicitly predicts X-Men will overshadow John Wick's sales and reception, a significant market signal

  • “The art alone probably sells 1,000 units... This artwork is really cool... Your Zombie Yetti on art, both of them... that does help a lot. I'm not saying that the art on John Wick is bad, but that art didn't sell the game at all.”

    Ron Hallett & Bruce Nightingale @ ~39:00-41:00 — Explicit acknowledgment that artwork quality directly impacts sales and differentiates successful Stern releases

  • “I think this is going to be a much better game than Gold Wings... this is the first game we have not had a true Italian bottom since Wheel of Fortune... The only shot that's really the hardest shot and the unsafe shot would be the Sentinel itself.”

    Ron & Bruce @ ~9:00-11:00 — Technical analysis of playfield design innovation and comparison to classic pinball design principles

  • “They're just in full tease mode... The collector's edition of the game has an amazing interactive topper. It supposedly has the highest bill of materials of any Jersey Jack game since the original Wizard of Oz.”

Entities

Uncanny X-MengameJack DangerpersonJersey Jack Pinball AvatargameMark SeidenpersonZombie YetipersonBruce Nightingaleperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Avatar's six-flipper, dual-playfield design anticipated to be exceptionally heavy, raising questions about playability and gameplay balance

    medium · Ron: 'I'm curious how a game with multiple play fields and six flippers will play... it's going to be heavy as fuck'

  • ?

    event_signal: Jersey Jack scheduled official Avatar reveal for Thursday, September 12 with full trailer and gameplay details

    high · Ron: 'Jersey Jack will be releasing their new game or trailers for the new game... on Thursday, September 12th'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Avatar positioned as premium Jersey Jack release with highest BOM and interactive topper since original Wizard of Oz

    medium · NAP source reporting: 'highest bill of materials of any Jersey Jack game since the original Wizard of Oz'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts note potential gameplay concerns with high number of safe shots and long ball times despite mechanical innovation

    medium · Ron: 'There's only, like, two shots that are not safe... I think it's going to be really long ball times'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jack Danger drawing inspiration from classic Gottlieb design principles (gold wings bottom, breaking habit trails, kickers) for Uncanny X-Men, suggesting intentional homage to pinball history

    high · Hosts explicitly identify Gold Wings design elements in X-Men layout; Bruce notes 'I didn't realize he was into Gottlieb this much'

Transcript

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0:00
No one takes my nachos and gets away with it. Yep. Time to kick some ass. You can run, but you can't hide, dumbass.
0:11
This tree feels kind of funny on my schlong. They call it wood for a reason, Beavis. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Hello. Hello, Bruce. Hi. And this is episode 235. Yeah, baby.
0:49
How's it going, Bruce? Any new games come out recently? Yeah, I've, well, yes, there has. It's a theme I am fucking so stoked about. As soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, will I buy one? No, I'm fucking broke right now. Thanks, Joe.
1:08
Joe? Yeah, build it back better. I don't get it. Have you heard of Joe Biden? No. The senile guy that doesn't know anything that's going on in the White House for the past three years. Is that where Mamie Eisenhower is the actual president? Yes. I actually think it's – That was a thing that actually happened. Well, it actually happened before that with Wilson. Wilson? Woodrow Wilson had a stroke back in 1919, and his wife supposedly ran the government. Wow. Your regular history buff. I am a history buff. If I was not what I am today, I would have been a history teacher, and I would have had to kill kids. Kill kids? Yeah, because I wouldn't be able to put up with these fucking punks these days. Damn, kids. Bruce the history teacher oh I love history is my favorite subject so you'd watch like what was it oh the history channel so you watch the history channel all the time yes and I listen to the silver ball chronicle because that's where I get all my pinball history and background the silver ball chronicle is going to be heard on the pinball network which I had someone ask me like what the fuck does that what is the pinball network like is that a website you got a point it's a cult It's actually a cult. It's a cult. But I believe – We all worship the many.

medium confidence · Ron: 'I think it's Wason. Yeah. Who did – oh, I know who's doing the rules... I think he did X-Men originally.'

Ron Hallett @ ~54:00-58:00 — Reporting on Jersey Jack's Avatar specifications from unofficial sources with high confidence

  • “It feels like if Williams was still in business. It would be that... And hell, it's even called Jets. It's Benny and the Jets.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~72:00 — Bruce compares modern Jersey Jack quality to classic Williams manufacturing, placing Elton John among elite-tier pinball designs

  • “Six Flippers. Our Zach will love that. He likes more Flippers the better... I'm curious how a game with multiple play fields and six flippers will play. Yeah, it's going to be heavy as fuck.”

    Ron & Bruce @ ~59:00-65:00 — Hosts anticipate Avatar's mechanical complexity and weight, with reference to community member preferences

    • Ron Hallett
    person
    John Wickgame
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Wasonperson
    Stan Leeperson
    Zach Mannyperson
    Gold Wingsgame
    Keith Johnsonperson
    Rochester Pinball Collectiveorganization
    NAP Arcadeperson/source
    Elton Johngame
    Godzillagame
    Venomgame
    Silver Ball Chroniclespodcast
    ?

    leak_detection: Jersey Jack Avatar specifications leaked through community sources with high confidence marking before official September 12 reveal

    medium · Ron cites NAP Arcade: '99% sure the info is correct' for Avatar's six flippers, dual playfields, blacklight mode, and BOM specifications

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Marvel/Disney licensing for X-Men may not have demanded premium licensing fees, allowing higher mechanical investment

    low · Bruce speculates: 'It's a comic book theme, so I don't know if Marvel really pushed for big money on this'

  • $

    market_signal: Uncanny X-Men predicted to overshadow John Wick sales and reception due to superior artwork and mechanical complexity

    high · Bruce: 'This is going to bury John Wick... If you put this next to John Wick... You know how many people are going to ignore John Wick?'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Wason confirmed as rules programmer for Uncanny X-Men; has worked multiple generations of X-Men rules design

    medium · Ron: 'I think he did X-Men originally' and 'he's been there forever. Ten years. Seems like over ten years'

  • ?

    announcement: Stern officially teased Uncanny X-Men with trailer showcasing artwork and playfield design

    high · Hosts discuss trailer content, artwork details, and flipper/mechanic configurations from official materials

  • ?

    product_concern: Hosts speculate about mechanical execution risk on X-Men given high complexity and previous Stern rollout issues (Cross playfield shots, habit trails, interactive elements)

    medium · Bruce: 'they're not going to show it not work in their trailer' and reference to Foo Fighters shots not always working properly

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Bruce Nightingale expressing unusual enthusiasm for Stern Pinball's Uncanny X-Men, markedly different from his typical critical stance toward recent Stern releases

    high · Ron's observation: 'I thought someone had stolen his phone... I never thought this day would come.' Bruce's repeated praise: 'The artwork's fucking awesome' and 'I am really digging this'

    • 2:29
    Our latest episode is out, I believe, for our Patreon people, I think. Oh. Wait a sec. David Dennis, I have a complaint. He's the host of Silverwall Chronicles. Yes, he is. I have a complaint. I fucking plug your show and I don't get Patreon access?
    2:49
    Oh, Jesus Christ. Am I right or wrong, Ron? I am plugging his show. I don't get Patreon access. Why not? Well, you record it, so you already know what the fuck's going on with it. Well, I don't hear the awesome edited version without the commercial. Actually, I've never listened to an episode, so I can't say anything. Yeah, I know. But, I mean, David Dennis, we have a problem here.
    3:12
    We have a problem. Get this fucking fixed. I want fucking access now. Why? Because I promote his podcast. No, you don't. I promote it. You tell me I could barely even say it once an episode. You did it twice the past couple, so I'm letting this go. I didn't do it twice. I was reading mail. I just did it now.
    3:36
    I'm the one that brought it up. I'm the one that brought it up big time. Man, we just got more plugs for Silverwell Chronicles than we ever have. Exactly. So there you go. Where's my Patreon access? The latest episode is going to be about Haggis. Oh, God. Yes. He's going there immediately.
    3:57
    Everyone else has. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Let's see. What do we have here? I want to mention this. And, man, I scoured the internet to try to find somebody saying his name so I would not fuck it up. And I could not find anything. What's that? Stan.
    4:19
    Stan Lee? I love Stan Lee. He was great. Stan Paducah? Stan Fukuoka? Paducah. Yes. He passed away. I looked everywhere. Yes. He passed away. He was a Capcom artist. But I just remember him from all the early shows I went to. Yeah, all the early shows he was always at. He was always at. That's why he's a memory of my early pinball hobby. Dumb. Yes. And Expedite. Yeah. He did Break Shot. Yep. And Big Bang Bar and Kingpin. Yes. Awesome artwork. It's a shame. I'm so sad. He was, you know, going through a sickness and then, you know, lost his life. Very influential artist in the early days. You know, he was actually giving. I'd like to see what he would have done if Capcom stayed around. Oh, I know. I really would have. I don't know why he wasn't picked up by anybody else.
    5:17
    I would think at that point everyone else was releasing people too, including Williams. Yeah, but still, his artwork was pretty fucking awesome.
    5:25
    So thoughts and prayers out to his family and friends. Sad day. All right. Well, I had Papa recap here. Yeah, but we don't recap it because it's going on currently. Going on right now, ladies and gentlemen. And please go to Papa and play some games, spend some money. I think 20% of it goes to suicide prevention. In the name of Lyman Sheets. Yes. And I haven't really looked too much about what's going on. I saw Bowen was in first.
    6:02
    Classics? I forget. One of the groups I saw of you was number one. As of last night. Let's see. Let's leave, people. Let's go to this riveting news. Riveting news? Riveting. Come on. It's always pinball tournaments are always riveting, Bruce. Yeah.
    6:21
    Well, right now in the main standings, Jason Zoller is in the lead, of course. He played two entries. He played three games on this whole time. He literally played two entries. He played once and he was in first, and then he just played again to up it further. He's like 30 points ahead of anyone else. He is el fuego. go um and then classics which is a pump and dump style yeah and uh luke nahorniak is currently in first so bone is not first anymore the the the pump and dump classics is gonna there's gonna be bleed like crazy as people are just pumping and dumping and jesus sounds like a little wolverine there oh yeah what wolverine is that from x-men x-men uncanny x-men okay folks yes so stern released the trip while teaser trailer then the trailer yep for the new what is it uncanny x-men the uncanny x-men and that's based off the comic book because the uncanny x-men is the title of the comic book from 94 on and uh it's based off of uh x-men comic book number 140 and 141 right after uh gene gray dying they went right into another awesome story which is days of futures past where uh days of future past yeah there's your future wait a minute which is also the name title of a moody blues album yeah i know but uh nice and white satin a lot of cool character development happens during this game which they don't even bring up in the pinball game you actually get to meet jean gray's daughter i don't know who jean gray is jean gray is phoenix is which which one what what what's the power she has the embodiment of phoenix which is It's an entity that helped her stay alive when she was crashing a space shuttle and it crashed into Long Island Sound.
    8:21
    Okay. And then the future story is she was in a cocoon and, you know, all this other stuff. Yeah. Oh, it's full geek power. Full geek power. This is why I am so psyched for this game because I am a big X-Men fan. Well, yeah. Yeah, folks. Bruce has owned the original X-Men. I did. I owned a Magneto. But as you know, Bruce hates everything. I hate everything, and I hated that stupid ramp. But when this trailer came out, I thought someone had stolen his phone and was messaging as him, because I have never seen him this, like, psyched about a game. Now, why the excitement, Bruce? What's different about this other than the theme? I like the artwork. The artwork's fucking awesome. Holy shit, though. On the LE, on the left-hand side, the left flipper side, you see the Days of Future Past cover of Comic Book 140, which is Wolverine in a spotlight with his claws up and defending Old Kitty Pride, which is, you know, another person in the X-Men. Just the artwork. I saw it. I was like, oh, my fucking God, it's fucking awesome. I actually.
    9:33
    Yes. Yeah. Your zombie Eddie, super colorful artwork. Yes, it was really good. And I swear, this is where they really need to do their marketing.
    9:44
    And honestly, they should have brought this out three weeks ago. They should have brought this out for Comic-Con. This would have been awesome. Or four weeks ago. It was late July. Even just like one prototype sitting in the corner, making people see it. Just the artwork alone would have been awesome. and the playfield's just sitting there. Nobody could play it, just in ropes. That would have been fucking awesome for Comic-Con. They probably would have sold 100 games instantaneously right there.
    10:14
    Fail. And up. Fail. So this is by Jack Danger. Yes. The bottom of the game looks like a combination of... I heard we're talking about your Italian bottom. It looks like a combination of gold wings. Gold wings. More gold wings. Well, the little Flintstones with the habit trail that goes around. Yeah, the habit trail going across, yes. Or if you want to go really weird, Blackwater 2000. No, Blackwater 100. Yeah, 2000. That's the combination of Blackwater and Black Knight. You see, it was Blackwater 2000. Yeah, exactly. So you see that come across. It's an Italian bottom change now. This is the first game we have not had a true Italian bottom since Wheel of Fortune.
    10:59
    And what's an Italian bottom, Bruce? Where you just have your typical flippers with your in lanes and it's in the middle. With Wheel of Fortune, we had the pop bumper in the middle, which is a change to that. And now it's the first time changing it. It's offset a little bit. So if you look at the apron. It's gold wings. It's literally gold wings. The left and right flipper are to the right of the bottom of the apron arch. And then on the left-hand side, there's an extra flipper in the danger room, which is part of X-Men lore too. You realize, I believe in Gold Wings, it was called the Danger Zone. It was. That area. Yeah, I know. So hopefully it does work out, you know, with the different design. There's a whole fucking lot of shots in this game. Yeah. But a lot are safe shots. Zach brought this up. There's only, like, two shots that are not safe. They're not returning to your flipper. So you're thinking really long ball times. Oh, my God. I think it's going to be really long ball times. Yeah. The only shot that's really the hardest shot and the unsafe shot would be the Sentinel itself. Oh, yes. It has a Sentinel. Yes. Which is a robot that comes up from the playfield. Think Ringmaster on the L.E. and premium. It comes up on the pro. He's just up. He's just up now. Does I haven't seen this on the pro. I don't know if he's noticed it in the video. Does the pro mouth, because I've seen Yelly. The pro mouth jaw opens. Yes. But they don't mention anything about the kicker. Yeah, I don't know if there's a kicker in there or not. So I'm going to assume, since they didn't mention it, that there's no kicker. Yeah, which would suck because it makes it harder in some ways. Hopefully someone will make. That's a mod that we should have. Not these other crappy mods. I think Jack Danger really likes Gottlieb. When you look at this game, we have the gold wings bottom. Yes, kickers. We have the kicking targets again. Yes. Another Gottlieb may say, we have a very target. Yes.
    13:01
    Someone's really been loving his Gottlieb. Yeah, I do like that they have the designer there that just does the craziest shit. And somehow they let him do it. Yeah, honestly. That's the thing. There's a figure eight in his freaking ramps. I mean, in the previous game, John Wick, Like, Elliot Eisman, he had like two Whitewoods before the third one where he tried stuff. And I guess it just didn't pass whatever test. Yeah, they have, which, you know, George Gomez said, no, it didn't cut it. So the third, they're under a time crunch. So the third one pretty much had to be kind of plain. And it was. Yeah. I mean, there is really nothing. What the, whatchamacallit shot on the right? That's right. That's a bunch of McCall shot. The weapons case or whatever.
    13:55
    That's about it. I mean, there's nothing really on that. And the art alone on this just makes it look like it has more shit on it than it probably actually does. I guarantee you, in the end, if you get the manual for this game and you actually count the number of mechs, it's probably no more than, I bet you it's less than Godzilla. For X-Men? Yeah. No, Zach said there was 15.
    14:20
    15 mechs. Wow, why don't we have Zach on? He's got all the answers. 15. It was kickers and slingshots and everything else. What does Godzilla have? On the LE. I think it was like 10, 9 or 10.
    14:31
    Yeah. Okay, I don't get it then. Yeah, it looks awesome. Where do they save the money here? Because there's no way they paid more. Well. Maybe the license was cheaper. Maybe. You never know. It's a comic book theme, so I don't know if Marvel really pushed for big money on this. Marvel, Disney. but uh the le is chock full of stuff with the beast uh try ball what they call it the what do they call it i'm looking at it right now because i'm prepared what do they call it since you're looking at it right now oh i don't know what you're talking about i'm just looking at the picture the beast up top the in the le the captive ball area oh you mean the very target Yeah, that's it. The very target thing. That's what I call it, the very target thing. And it's got wolverines, like, floating in space. That's the fastball special. Fastball special is when Colossus throws, not lighter, but since Colossus is so strong, he can throw a wolverine with his anemonean bones and everything and his claws. He can throw them very nicely, and it's a good way of hurting people. Is the Forbin project in here too since they have Colossus?
    15:50
    No one's going to get that. I did. Okay. Yikes. Yeah, so I actually like the Pro. The Pro, the artwork on the Pro is okay. I can deal with it. You know, the artwork on Yelly is fucking awesome. And the only thing I did not like was the Premium had black rails. And they look, I think they're lollipop, aren't they? It seems a little out of place for a premium of a $9,000 pinball machine. The premium, I'm looking at it, they're not lollipop, but they're the straight, like a triangle-shaped thing. And they are just black, as you say. Yeah, just black. It's just like, oh, yeah.
    16:34
    Okay. And the LE looks like it's purple. It's purple, yes. Purple-ish. I love the artwork on there. so you're excited i'm excited for the game i can't wait to play it who knows when i will but i cannot wait to play it it has all these cross play field shots which yeah there's there's a ton of shots there's as i said there's not many well they all work that's the question it looked like in the in the thing it all worked well yeah well they're not going to show it not work in their trailer yeah because you know foo fighters that's as a lot of shots they don't always entirely work Yes, I agree. And this has even more of those type shots. So how many pop-up bumpers does this thing have? Just one? One. Two. Oh, the other one's up there. Okay, and they're both. Yes. Wow. Both on the bottom. We have so gotten rid of the three pop-up era thing. Yeah. Well, Gary's happy because now it's just less money. Three pop-up bumpers, we could have two. It'd be cheaper.
    17:36
    Are you kidding? The three pop-up thing was his thing. I know, but now it's cheaper. No, you're going to Gary's favorite part. Cheaper is better and whatever is on the line is the best game going. Yep.
    17:47
    So, yes, it looks really cool. What did you think, Mr. Ron? It looks insane. Yeah, it does. Which I expected from the designer because he will do anything. He's insane.
    18:04
    I didn't realize he was into Gottlieb this much. Yeah, I didn't either. That you basically take the bottom half of Gold Wings of all games. especially since we just talked about that last episode i know we talked about the siren see we had a inkling yes in the tournament final where we got to watch way too much gold wings but like and yeah look here it is it's fucking gold wings but i think this is going to be a much better game than gold wings i'm going to go out on a limb and say that although it doesn't have a siren so what do you think of the hands the sentinel hands on the yeah well the coolest thing i thought because I've never seen it before is the breaking habit trail. Breaking habit trail and the catching a ball on a habit trail and pushing it back the other way.
    18:48
    Oh, you mean in the in lane? No. On the other side, on the right-hand side, the hand pushes down and breaks the habit trail. It breaks the habit trail. Like it literally breaks it in half while it's hinged. But it gives the effect that it breaks it, which was like, wow, I've never seen that before. But on the left-hand side, the finger pops up, And then it's actually like – Oh, throws it. Yeah. And throws it, which is also another thing I've never seen before except for one other game in the out lane of hot-dogging where it catches it and then kicks it back out. Oh, the kicker. Yeah. And that's what it is really. It's a vertical up kick. Not up kick, but a vertical kicker that pops up. And I think it's really a lot of innovation. and the where it stops the ball and the other habit trail that goes to the left flipper yes where it almost looks like it's floating stuck well it almost looks like it's stuck because i've seen that before where the ball comes down to habit trail and it doesn't fit through the hole like it gets stuck that's what it looks like but it's actually intentional yeah a bunch of stuff i've never seen before i'm excited to play this game and hey you never know i might have to sell i might have to sell I'll rob my countdown. Yes, you need to. So I can get an X-Men, right? You know, the art alone probably sells 1,000 units. Oh, I know. This artwork is really cool. I mean, yes. I mean, that's Jack Danger's other advantage. His first two games, they've had Zombie Yeti on art, both of them. Yeah, that does help a lot. That does help a lot. I mean, I'm not saying that the art on John Wick is bad, but that art didn't sell the game at all. No, no, no. Except that the back glass on the LE was cool. with the the church style and the stuff they did there but that that was about it it wasn't bad but it wasn't like you look at this thing people love highly colorful things and this is like holy shit look at this thing oh my god this looks amazing so uh we don't do patreon guys or anything like that but if you can donate to us so i can buy an le i'd be very grateful if stern wants to give me for the Rochester Pinball Collective, I'd be happy to take one of these.
    21:06
    Yes, I am gushing a little bit about Stern for this. I'm going to be a Stern boy this time. I don't believe this. I just don't believe this. I never thought this day would come. I know. You would thought, like, you know, I'd just be an asshole all the fucking time. All the time, but wow. I am really digging this.
    21:23
    Yeah. I'm telling you, listeners, I thought someone had stolen his phone. There's no way he is putting these words in. As I said, I can't wait to see more of this.
    21:34
    Do you think this hurts John Wick? Oh, my God. This is going to bury John Wick. That's one of the first things I thought of, unfortunately. I'm like, wow. It's just like James Bond got buried by Jaws and that kind of stuff. The next game. I don't think that's right. I know. Is that the right timing? I think it was another game. There was another game between it, but it still buried it. What was the game after? oh venom it buried venom jaws did you know and then you know yes we got a lot of game burial going on yeah there a lot of shit out there and they they pumped out some shit lately it just like if you put this next to John Wick no one going to be Oh God no If I had a pro coming next week and I put this hey Zach many if you need a storage spot I am your man
    22:24
    He has streaming gear there. He can stream it for you. I can stream it for you. I have your banner there. I'll put it right underneath the banner.
    22:32
    Zach, I'm your man. I can be in your cult, too. I can really be in your cult. Yeah, but if you put this next to John Wick. Oh, it's a nightmare. You know how many people are going to ignore John Wick?
    22:43
    It's that different. I would love to have both the X-Men next to each other, like X-Men Pro and this Pro. Because I still like the original X-Men Pro. I hated the LE with that moving ramp.
    22:56
    I'm Storm! The sounds do suck. I will agree with that. But the shots from Borg are really good on it, too. I do like the shots of that game. The shots are awesome on the original X-Men. But as I'm gushing again, if I had the money, I would have an LE in my possession. I did not put my raffles in for either of the LEs for Project Pinball. I did. So Ron will get it and give it to me. This is going to be the best day ever because Ron wins stuff. I missed both of them. That's the funny part. 10 o'clock, and then I got busy at work because it's during the week. and it's like oh shit 10 30 i went there sold out fuck yeah fuck and then the very next day it's like we're doing it again and i missed it again it's like 10 30 like oh fuck and i got in there and it was still like 15 left like oh shit oh oh so i put it in yeah i totally forgot both day i saw the second one i got the message at 9 55 on my phone i'm like i'm really busy i'm gluing here i gotta do shit i was like i'll get to it later on later on i looked it was sold out like i saved myself 130 bucks but ron if i can get a couple more shekels in my pocket which i'd love to do i would love to get me an x-men pro it would be i might have to sell something yeah you might have to sell something hey does anybody want like a free fall i got a free fall for you nice one beautiful pretty pretty it's free free fall in i know everyone's gonna be like i want your dragon fister i i want your stargazer i want your quicksilver with the new playfield yeah with a new playfield hey if anybody wants to buy me out of my half a stargazer and be buddy buddy with uh jt or jt you want to buy me out of my side of the stargazer i'm in he wants money folks he wants i want x-men what's x-men so uh yeah but if anybody wants to donate money to the x-men fund And I will be happy. Guess what? I will put your name above at the site. I will put it at the RPC donations by, and I'll put your name on it. So where can they donate to, Bruce? Do you have a PayPal account they could just randomly send money to? Just message us. Just message me. Just message Bruce. How do they message you, Bruce? At slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Oh, wow. You're going to use that for this. Okay. Or you can do wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com. Yes, yahoo. Or you can pay me by that. That's what I was trying to get you to say. I was trying to be. Just PayPal-ing directly to Bruce. Give him the money. Just PayPal right there. For your X-Men, Bruce. And it has to say for your X-Men. And I will put your name above it on above the machine. And remember, friends and family. Do it as friends and family. So I don't take the hit and nobody takes the hit.
    25:50
    But yes, so if I get enough money, Ron's getting the countdown. See, so you're benefiting both of us.
    25:59
    It just looks awesome. As I said, Zach, if you need a guy to hold your games for you, I'll be the first one to do it. It'd be a location game, too, so it's even better.
    26:10
    Yeah. So you liked it? How could you not be excited looking at this game with all the shit it's got on it and the way it looks? I mean, as far as how is it actually going to play? Oh, of course. That's what we don't know. You know, what are the rules, et cetera. Who is doing – oh, I know who's doing the rules. I think it's Wason. Yeah. Who did – I think he did. X-Men originally. Oh, he did? Yes, he did. I thought he also did the Jurassic Park home edition with Jack Ganger. Yes, he did the Jurassic. So it's not the first time he's worked with Jack.
    26:43
    So, yeah, think about Wason. He's been there forever. Ten years. Seems like over ten years. I just seem to remember him in every clip of Stern ever. Yeah, I know. Hey, I want to get a video. Hey, I want a video. And he never looks any different. I'm jealous. And there's another game coming out this week. Yes. For two weeks. Well, yeah, actually, yeah. We're getting on getting teasers. Well, they announced the date. Yes. Jersey Jack will be releasing their new game or trailers for the new game. They'll be showing off the new game on Thursday, September 12th, and it's going to be Avatar. Avatar, the new movie. Or is it going to be both movies? We don't know yet. Yeah, I don't know. They've shown little snippets of the play field. Really not much to see. No, no. That much. They've been teasing. They're just in full tease mode. I heard upper play field, lower play field, six flippers. I'm at NAP Arcade. Hi, NAP. NAP Corner time. Hey, and we do, we, everyone's complaining like nobody gives NAP credit. We always say when we steal from NAP, we tell them. We call it NAP Corner. Yes, we do. Welcome to NAP Corner. I'm literally going to read it verbatim. More details on Jersey Jack Pinball's upcoming Avatar game. More information that Nap has heard. So some of these are rumors, I guess. As we already knew, Mark Seiden is Avatar's designer. He's been working on the game for three years. That's true. He's been there for three years. Yikes. Let's see. I'll call the following all rumors, but I'm 99% sure the info is correct. So it probably is. The programmer is Keith Johnson, which makes sense. The Avatar pin is... Here we go. six flippers with both an upper and multiple lower play fields that represent the sky and the sea under the sea take it from me under the sea oh sorry wrong movie it will have regular and you know what movie that was no it will have regular and black light modes oh no and it will play the bobby darren song beyond the sea no it won't so well beyond the sea But no, you gotta go Under the Sea from Little Mermaid. Oh. Under the Sea! I never saw those Disney movies, sorry. Oh my god, that was a good one. Six Flippers. Our Zach will love that. He likes more Flippers the better. The collector's edition of the game has an amazing interactive topper. It supposedly has the highest bill of materials of any Jersey Jack game since the original Wizard of Oz. So when you're giving blood every week to pay for this game. No, yet prices will remain unchanged for Elton John. Well, this is good. That's a good thing. Don't worry. They'll go up when Harry Potter comes out. Harry Potter. When the pothead comes out, we are going to be spending a lot of money on that licensing. Yeah. It's got some pictures of it. I mean, if I pass out during this, I'm just giving blood for my X-Men. so it's very blue from the pictures i've seen very blue now we don't know if it's in the blackout mode or not you know so we don't know well even the flipper bats are blue yes now i have never seen an avatar movie verse uh i have i've owned an avatar oh that's right you owned avatard avatard the original one is this the third game that jersey jack has done that stern slash data east has already done pirates pirates guns and roses yep and avatar yep why can't they think a new theme that's what i heard all week this past week i wish they would do new themes don't worry your cuphead is coming soon enough boys and girls Avatar is interesting in that no one ever says it's like this great movie yet it made a fuck ton of money and then when the sequel was coming out it's like oh no the first one was lightning in a bottle you know the second one will bomb no one cares about this anymore and then the second one made a fuck ton of money but I didn't see it I didn't see the second movie at all I saw the first James Cameron will be upset with you well he hasn't done much for me since Terminator 2 that's true actually well he did titanic but i never seen that i never saw that that was a story one knew iceberg right ahead you knew it was gonna crash you knew it was gonna this should have did a different ending just to throw people off it's like we see we see the iceberg quickly move and somehow they avoid it and scooby-doo effect if it wasn't for you kids and we were on a ride with this ship right into the ice bag yeah so i gotta hold my tongue on avatar because i haven't really seen anything i've only seen a couple of clip shots let's wait until we get the full yeah the full video reveal and see what this is i'm curious how a game with multiple play fields and six flippers will play. Yeah, it's going to be heavy as fuck. Oh, yes. I wonder if this will be the heaviest game. Yeah. What is their heaviest game? It's got to be Hobbit.
    32:04
    It's got to be Hobbit with that drop target mech and the trolls. Yeah, but you had two upper plate fields. And it's a wide body. But we had two upper plate fields on. Well, if anyone knows if Wizard of Oz is heavier than Hobbit, let us know. And you can let us know by emailing us at slamtollpodcast at gmail.com. See what I did there? Wow, that was really great. I'm glad you think so. Yeah. So I'm excited to see this, too. The theme, not compared to X-Men, don't get me wrong. X-Men is, you know, this is like up on the level close to ELO level for me. Wow. Yeah, so, you know, I'm just like.
    32:45
    Yeah, so. So Avatar, unless it's really, you know, it's going to be good. I guarantee it. Because Elton John knocked it out of the park. I actually am going to bring Elton John up to triple.
    33:03
    Oh, it got a triple. Yeah. I played it again a couple weeks ago, a week ago. And I was like, wow, this game is really, I can't wait to play Ron. I haven't played Ron. So I know I will change my thoughts again. Oh, satanic dance. I know I said this about Maiden, but I'll say the same thing about John. It feels like if Williams was still in business. It would be that. That would be something like that. Yeah. That's what it feels like. And hell, it's even called Jets. It's Benny and the Jets. They went all Williams with everything.
    33:38
    Jets. So, yeah. So we'll see what happens next week. uh the problem's gonna be ron we're gonna have a problem soon oh what's the problem we're not gonna have fucking a lot of recording time lately we're not gonna have a work that doesn't even make sense yes it does because here here we go hear me out that is a bruceism if there ever was but yeah next week i am going to cleveland you're going to cleveland cleveland rocks uh wait a Is it next weekend, Klee Pen? Is it? I think it might be. That's funny, and you're going to be there on completely unrelated news.
    34:18
    Let me see. I didn't even know. You didn't know that. Let's see. Klee Pen. Yes, it is. It is. Jesus Christ. Yep. I go for the better things. ELO. Yeah, I'm going out there for ELO. Maybe I will go there Saturday instead of going to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah, do you think that's going to happen? No. No, no, no. My wife will kill me. Yeah, they didn't know that Cleveland was there. Now I'm going to look on Pinside and see if there's any deals. Jesus. I have no money. I'm saving for X-Men, people. Come on. Contribute to me. I'll contribute to you. Just sell me the countdown. You're all set. Well, I got to get money towards it so then I can get that. Yes. See how this works? No, I don't see how that works. I give you money for the countdown. You're going to push me over the goal. Oh. Oh, so he needs money before that. So help me get the countdown that I deserve. Yes, exactly. See? That's at his house already. It's been there for a year. He's probably already like – I haven't done too much with it, Bruce. I don't want to take all those wonderful incandescents out until it's – But it is a beautiful game. That is the nicest countdown I've ever seen. The back glass is nice. Too bad it's going to be ruined while those incandescents are just burning a hole in it. Why? You don't play it that much. Yeah, but it's going to be on all day for stop. What's that? That's our upcoming tournament. People are still bugging me. Holy fuck. Those 11 people who are waiting on the wait list, every person this week. Has anyone dropped out? No one has dropped out. All 40 are still there, in, ready for some on the 21st. And after your BLL concert is? That's the 21st, which we're both going to be at. So we could possibly record maybe at your house. No, that never works. I know it doesn't. Unless you get a snowball. Oh, that's going to sound like shit. I know. And the editing will be even more a pain in the ass. It'll be excellent. I can't wait. And then the week after. Oh, yeah. What's the week after that? You're gone in good old, jolly old London. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm going to be the UK Open.
    36:22
    And I am going to be in Syracuse at a pinball arcade auction. Oh. It's their first one. They're coming up AGS in like 20 years up in New York State. They used to go down to Harrisburg. I mean, honestly, we could just record sometime during the week of the 16th or something. Oh, yeah, we could. After we see Avatar and maybe something else. So there will be a Papa winner by then. Yep. So we'll be popping on, but it's going to be really hard. And then the weekend after, I think, is our first free weekend, October 5th. Really hard. Really hard, yeah. And then what, the next weekend is probably York or something? I don't know when. uh york is the fifth ah oh if it is again after that so well no if it's october 5th then that's another non-freebie is it oh jesus you see so the the pinball world it's very busy here in pinball land here's the funny thing uh i was cleaning out the garage this week because you know we had to put all the pool stuff away and all that stuff that was outside and bring all stuff my wife's like what's this crate over here this crate's been here since all summer i walk over to the crate i pull the cover off it's all my parts from allentown that i bought hey you just left there i just left it i totally forgot about it so i brought it all down i brought it all downstairs i'm like holy shit i did buy a lot of shit i have i i bought like two driver boards for ballysterns of course older ones i bought a power the transformer board for the newer like for fireball classic the one that's on the bottom of the cabinet i bought five lockdown bars including a couple of stern old button ones i bought aprons i bought all this other shit i'm like holy shit i totally forgot about this crap i bought a coin door that was beautiful for another stern for uh quick silver i was like i totally fucking forgot about this holy shit the and i'm looking up while i was waiting you know so that's this no it is the 11th 10th and 11th so we do have a weekend free between on the 5th and 4th so there you go and then we have the ball back now we have the ball no we have something else before the ball back no we don't because this will lead into that other thing you're thinking of okay no trust me go for it i know so an apology is warranted here from one of our longest time listeners because he sent us an email on august 12th and i didn't see it because it was in the spam folder i went through the spam folder and there it was spam yeah spam in the place that you lurk yeah yeah yeah is your like fan on super high No, that's actually my wife is taking a shower. Oh, okay. And I am below the shower. So that's the sound, folks, so don't blame me. Hold on, let me see. Honey, get out! That's the hot water heater, actually. Oh. For the shower, that's why. Ah. Since we're recording on Saturday morning, my wife's getting ready to go to get her nails done, so she's getting ready to go out for the day. Let's see. This email is from Chris. Hi, Chris. Sorry we lost you. Hey, Ron. Bruce, I tracked you about Barry O's, and you failed to mention that longtime listener Chris Warren won the B Division in Maine. What the fuck, LOL. Love the podcast and keep up the good work. Sorry, Chris, that I didn't see this email. I failed. I have to be more diligent in checking the spam folder. What the fuck it up. Yeah, I wonder why I thought it was spam. I never understand how some of these algorithms work.
    40:15
    Let's see. This one. Oh, this one. Okay. Yeah, there's a video, and we will get to this next episode, John. This is from Dr. John. Hi, Dr. John. Yes. So, Bruce, before the next episode, you have to read his email and watch the video. Oh, God. You're making me fucking work for this thing? Yeah, we have to. Did he send some money for me? Oh, Jesus Christ. John, you're rich. You've got Australian money. Good day, mate. Give me some money. That's true. He's a doctor, so he's pretty much got to be rich, right? He gets like every new Ellie and stuff. Exactly. Fuck yeah!
    40:50
    We will get to this, John. But I just noticed, like, oh, yeah, this is the one. There's a video. And I actually haven't watched it yet either. Oh, so two for two. We want to give it the proper time.
    41:01
    Let's see. This is from, oh, this is from Blueberry Johnson. Let's see. Bruce is crazy. Jaws is very good. Maybe great.
    41:10
    What did you give it? Like a single or double? Single. Well, a ground rule double, I think I gave it because it just lucked over the wall. But I've only played a pro. And the pros. I've hardly played it at all because you guys got rid of yours pretty quickly. Three weeks it was gone. The fastest pinball machine knew. Yeah, because Zach was paranoid about chipping around the fin area. And he didn't think he was going to keep it anyway. And he didn't want to take a chance of getting anywhere.
    41:38
    If anyone wants to buy a John Wick, though, we have one for sale now at the RPC. Come on down. Oh, it's for sale already? Wow. Well, we're trying to get money for other stuff. Ah.
    41:48
    All right. Let's see. This one's from Cole. Hi, Cole. Cole again. It says, more old man rants. Uh-oh. Fuck yeah. Hey there, nut brothers. Oh, my. Would that make Zach the penis? Or maybe Bruce is the general and Ron and Zach are the privates. Oh, God. Oh, my. I'm above. Either way, it should be called the Banana Hammock Podcast. Wow. I was watching the Northwest Pitball Championship stream and wanted to give a shout-out to Tim Hansen for coming in third place. As someone who has to play in mid-league and constantly get my ass kicked by him, it was good to see him up there. Yeah, Tim has great hair, and he's got the 70 sideburns. Hair is perfect. The sideburns, I love that. His hair is perfect.
    42:34
    Let's see. I also wanted to give him a shout-out as out of the four-player group in finals, he was the only one to step up to the game in a timely manner. Wow. Holy fuck. Hold on. Standing room. Standing applause. Here we go. It seemed like forever for the other three to play their game, even though there wasn't a tilt. These guys need to be told to get their mommy's. Jesus. They need to be told to get off their mommy's tit and play. Wow. A little of the boys right there. If anyone's been watching the boys lately, that's a little bit of the boys. I bet there's at least 20, 30 minutes wasted waiting for these guys to get off their phone, jerking off or whatever they were doing to actually play pinball. Wow.
    43:19
    Ron, you are correct. I don't really need to read any more of the sentence. That's pretty much all. Ron, you are correct in that pinball will not become a mainstream sport, as watching a clinic on Gold Wings was boring as shit. Watching someone do the same two to three shots all game is horrible. especially when it's done with ease. At least with Meteor, The Fist, Stars, or a lot of old games, there is danger at every corner to get a big score. Hell, even Iron Maiden makes you shoot different shots around the play field to get good scores. I guess that's why our Zach doesn't like Iron Maiden, as you don't hit just one shot over and over like that turd Star Wars. Hey.
    44:00
    If you notice, I think we've had more people complain about Star Wars. Oh, yeah, everyone hates it. I know me and Zach are probably two of the only people on the planet who like the game. And Mark, you fucking three are the fucking three amigos. Oh, Mark likes you too? Good call, Mark. You're the three fucking stooges. Mark is one of the owners of the Rochester Pinball Collective. Oh where is that by the way Bruce That at 349 West Commercial Street in beautiful Reese Rochester New York Home of the 2025 Nationals Wow. What's the sweet number? I might get lost. 29-65. Ah. With now 80 games, odd location. Wow. For your pleasures.
    44:39
    Remember when we were trying to get you guys to 50? I know. Wow. We're at 80, and I have ideas in the back of my mind. Oh, oh, oh. You have ideas in the back of your mind. Okay. Hopefully they get to the front of your mind at some point. They will, and then I'll be a lot more work again. Okay. Listening to Bruce at the end of the last episode, talking about how he touched himself and thought about pinball at the same time because there's not enough news for a weekly show. I'm sure he was telling himself, these feel like silver balls. This must be what the silver ball chronicles, which can be found at the Pinball Network, are all about. Oh, that's true. He must call them Ron and Dennis I mean his balls I guess Oh my One of your faithful DPX STDs Nice I saw this, the schedule got released for Pinball Expo and Dutch will be there You can ask them all about DPX No I won't I'm not going I'd rather go to York Jesus Alright this is from Nicholas Hi, Nicholas. Hello, Nicholas. Subject is Jurassic Park. Hey, guys, just a dude named Nick from the burbs of Chicago. Quick question. I'm in the market for a Jurassic Park machine. Don't worry, I'm not going to Costco. Just wondering what your opinions were on the 1993 Data East versus the new Stern machines. I played the Data East version a lot as a kid in our local card shop and loved it. Have not played any of the Stern versions. What's a better play in your opinion? Thanks, Nick.
    46:16
    The new one's a better play. New one's a better play, definitely. New one's got better rules, deeper. It depends on your budget first. That's true. If you got $3,500 to $4,000, you know you're going with Data East. If you got $7,000, you know you're going with Jurassic Park. Now, then you got to see how much more you have if you want to go to the premium or not and get the nice head. Me, I think the Pro is better. The nice head? You get nice head, Bruce? You get nice moving head. The moving T-Rex head, yes. Yes. But, I mean, what do you think is better for the cost? I think definitely the Pro is a better deal out there. Pro Jurassic Park is fine. Yeah. I think that's – if you don't need all the bells and whistles, it still shoots exactly the same. It plays fast. It plays strong. I think it's the best shooting game. I know some people would say Avengers, but I think Jurassic Park is the best shooting game. Jurassic Park is way better. Yeah. I think it's this playfield masterpiece. De la resistance. Don'ts. But I always did like the smart missile thing. I know it's on the new one, but the original Jurassic Park, I liked the smart missile. Yeah, I liked the smart missile. To cheat, to get the shots. The tri-ball. Yeah, the multi-ball is the best part. Getting the multi-ball, trying to spell chaos, and then getting chaos. Yeah, that's where it's at on that game. So it all depends on your money. Honestly, Day to East early one is fine. I like the game. And what to look for if you do get one is make sure the dinosaur grabs the ball and works. If it doesn't work, get ready for some work to do. If it doesn't work, get ready for some work. Yeah, because you're going to be working on it a lot. Honestly, go with the new one. All you have to worry about is flipper coil stops and you'll be ready to rock. Yep, unless you can't afford it. Unless you can't afford it. If you can't afford it, then go with the old one because that will bring back some nice childhood memories. And you'll still enjoy it. uh we got email from glenn hi glenn hi glenn hello glad you want to let us know that we did it we did it we did it we did it we did it surf and safari has finally received the 50 approved pinsider ratings so it is now on the top whatever 500 whatever the hell it is you know what where it ranks no no i'm like i'm knowing right now oh no you're cheating guess what i have not hit enter yet i'm gonna say 227 uh you've looked no i didn't because it's 227 is it yes i swear i swear to god i'm just clicking right now uh-huh i swear to uh wait a sec they might know me i don't bs like that ah so bruce uh is is here for your fortune telling needs obviously he can predict the future are you fucking kidding me no i'm 27 servants i i just i just 227. Well, thank you, everyone, for making it. The, hold on. Surfing Safari is now the. Highest ranked Gottlieb. No.
    49:13
    It is in the bottom two-thirds of. Come on, people. This is just fucking. Get it up there. Get at least top five. Oh, my. Get it up there. Get it up. Oh, my God. What do you think is better? Full throttle or Surfing Safari? Well, obviously, they think full throttle is better. than you got it x files which is ridiculous there's probably like 50 people who have played full throttle i know x files is better than serpent safari in these fucking morons the filing cabin is better than the grid oh jesus fucking christ get it up folks get up get on up get on up get on up yes get that sucker up we need top 100 for serpent safari It's one of Gottlieb's best games of that era. God, I don't understand some of these fucking people. Now you got me. You sucked me back in, people. No, no, no. You did. Stop. Stop looking at fucking Pinside ratings. I can't. I can't help it. It's a stupidity. Next email is from Tom with his game called Make It Pro. So, and in this game, we basically take an older game, meaning pre-Stern 3 model pro premium LE, and we make a game a pro. We're going to rip stuff out of it to bring it down to Stern pro model level. Okay. What do we got? So he says these are tough. Star Trek, the next generation. Ooh. Guns are gone. No. One gun is gone. You got to leave the second one because it's the start of the multi-ball. No, you don't. It's just gone, gone. No, no, no. I'd leave the second one. You remove the right one, and you remove, like, the right ball popper in that part. So the balls can only come from the left side. So you got rid of some of the subway, a diverter, a ball popper, and a cannon. And you get rid of the auto-plunge.
    51:13
    Oh, the catapult thing. Yeah, you just plunge it. Yeah, I guess you could probably just plunge it up top. Yep, yep. You know, you really can't the way it's designed because it takes up the whole space. I know, but you make it that way. How would you do that, though? Guess what? You got to make it cheaper. How would you? I'd say leave that. I think you saved a ton of money by getting rid of the cannon, the ball popper, part of the subway.
    51:36
    What else? What else can we do to cheapen the game? Not really. Much more because you only have a couple. You have a drop target and a target in the back and then ramps. That's it. But yeah, you take away one. I would take away both guns. Yeah, I'll take away one gun, part of the subway. I'm here to save money. I'm looking out for you, the pro people.
    51:58
    I would save some money. What else? Maybe the Borg ship isn't as big. It's pretty cheap anyway. Yeah, it's pretty cheap anyway. Because they couldn't put the cube there.
    52:12
    All right. Oh, God. Indiana Jones, the pinball adventure. Oh, that's easy. You get rid of the moving upper play field. Yeah, that's gone. That's gone. The idle. Idle's gone. Get rid of that. Or you make it static where it just locks it, but it doesn't turn. Yeah, it doesn't turn. Just a post. Yeah. A post holds up. Yeah, just a post. Yeah. Maybe there's a plastic that has idle artwork on it. Yep. You get rid of, what's it called? You leave the drop targets in the lock. That's fine. Captive ball you keep, too. It's cheap. Yeah, it's cheap. is there any other drop targets you could get rid of that aren't in the center just the captive wall one or you take away that drop target you just hit the captive ball there you go that's yeah just get rid of that just do captive ball yeah and i think getting rid of that whole upper play field that that's good that's good yeah i'll go with that yeah good answer and the gun in the front too you make it a plunge uh yeah yeah get rid of the gun get rid of the gun gun gun or instead of a nice metal one you make it a cheap plastic one like t3 yeah there you go uh sees you want the nice metal gun you got to pay for the premium yeah you gotta play a premium rally yeah there you go okay uh this is this was interesting because it had an le but it really wasn't that different than the pro that's i weep when i see the spider-man ah spider-man oh uh you take away the magnets in front of doc ock take that away right off the No, you have to. No, you don't. You have to. No, you don't. Yes, you do. You're making it cheap. You're making this game as cheap as possible. Yeah, but they made Iron Man cheap, and it's got the magnet. You need the one magnet. But no, they didn't. Wait, they made Iron Man cheap, and they got rid of the magnet. There was no magnet. That's the Costco version. That's exactly your high point. No, we're not doing the pin level. I am so fucking cheap, except for when it comes to taking money for X-Men. I am not that cheap.
    54:05
    I would take out what they did in the – they took this out in the Vault Edition. the coil for um what's his name green goblin oh so he's static so he doesn't have to move yeah he doesn't move uh you also take away uh uh you take away the actual visor take away the three bank you don't need it three bank visor you just fire it in there yep yep uh what else not a ton of stuff in that game no there isn't really i mean you leave the ramps you gotta leave the ramps Leading the ramps. Ramps got to flow.
    54:37
    You do it instead of an up kicker into the pop bumpers, you kick it like a saucer like from like Flash Gordon. Just kicks it over or something. And kicks it over into the upper lanes. You could do that. Yep. Cheap, cheap. We're going cheap. Cheap, cheap.
    54:52
    Yeah. Or you do it like Sopranos. It just kicks over into the side, just dribbles right out, you know, out of the – when you got it into the – Oh, yes. The whatchamacallit. The bank and safe. Yeah. So, yeah. I think we've cheapened it up. Yep.
    55:07
    Next. That was it. Oh, come on. More people. I want more challenges. I like it. Make it pro. Make the games freaking cheap. Make the game pro. Make it cheap, buddy. This is our foray into being executives at a pinball company. Yes. It costs too much. We got to make it cheaper. Oh, get rid of pop bumpers.
    55:27
    Make it two pop bumpers and a kicker instead. Yeah. uh and the last one here will tie into the thing i think you wanted to talk about yes so this is from steve hi steve hi steve it says i'm watching shoot again the resurgence of pinball on 2b 2b it's the name is it's called shoot again the resurgence of pinball uh and imagine my surprise seeing you guys being interviewed yeah i know oh this movie came out February of this year, but I don't remember you talking about it because I totally didn't know. Maybe I missed it. Anyhow, if you haven't mentioned it on the pod, I'm sure people appreciate learning about it. When was your footage filmed? Any fun stories from the shoot? Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work. Okay, so me and Ron are both in this. We were interviewed back on June 12, 2018. Oh, wow. You had the date. I figured it was like six years ago. It's easy because it was the day of Stomp, the 12 Hours of Stomp on July 12th. And they did it beforehand. So me and Ron had to get up earlier. We went to the bar. We both got interviewed. I think it was like 30 minutes per interview. I think we sit. Yeah. I remember sitting on a stool and getting interviewed. I had a stool up there. We had the games all on. And Lauren was up there with her, I think her friend, you know, and he's the producer and she's the director or maybe vice versa. I'm sorry. I might be making that up. But they interviewed us both, you know, and then I never heard anything about it afterwards. And then I asked her like a couple of years ago, like, hey, what's going on? She's like, it's still in the progress. You know, we're just. And by then the Silver Bowl went out of business. I was like, fuck. And then COVID happened. And then just, well, COVID happened. Then we went out of business because it was after that. but uh we never heard anything and then i was gonna email her like ah you know she's probably got you know other things in her life i'm not worried about it then all of a sudden ron's like hey we just got a message and we're on this so before i even watched it i was at work and i watched the trailer and i'm like oh this looks really i mean you see a ton of games in there and some are from the silver ball saloon some are from there's three places in rochester they actually took some games down one was at the playhouse which is over by uh downtown and also the museum of play which is right in downtown of rochester so three locations in rochester were filmed and i'm watching it and i'm like wow it's great and then all of a sudden i hear my voice i'm like oh my god i'm in the trailer then i see myself in the trailer i'm like oh my god i'm in the trailer this is kind of cool so then i sat down with my wife you know we had dinner and i'm like uh what are we doing tonight she's like nothing you know just have some dinner i'm like we're gonna watch something okay book a well book no she knows because i didn't wear my backward speedo oh that's the thing that gets her in the mood so uh we're watching it and they first they're showing the introduction and um they ask uh Roger Sharp. First question, you know, what is a pinball machine? You know, what makes a pinball machine? And Roger gives this great understanding, you know, perfect sensory overload of, you know, touching and enjoying the game and touching. Sensory overload of touching. It was like a very, very like a, you know, typical Mr. Sharp. It's a very Roger answer, yes. Yes, very Roger answer. Then you get me. It's a 200 and second person on the fucking whole video. So one minute in or two minutes in, you're getting Bruce already. It's a 270 pound box of wood with boards and lights for sensory and interactive game. And we watched it all. Ron's in it a couple of times. Ron's actually in it playing also, saving some balls during stomp. I was heavier then. Yes, you were. You were like 20 pounds heavier. I was really surprised. I look about the same. Face is kind of fat there. Yeah, you look the same. I look about the same. And what was it? Yeah, I was in it a lot more than you. I was very surprised. Oh, you're a lot more, you know, more charisma, Bruce. I mean, come on. I do remember when we recorded it, I actually got very, if you notice, the last clip we did that you see about five minutes before it ends, I talk about what pinball means to me.
    59:56
    And I got emotional afterwards because when we were doing this recording of 2018, the Silver Ball Saloon was struggling. We were struggling at that point. We were only open eight months, nine months, and it was overwhelming for me and Kathy at that time because we were still learning a lot of things and that kind of stuff, and I literally broke down.
    60:18
    And I'm just thinking about it, just wow. It actually blows my mind a little bit how much of a struggle it was at that point.
    60:26
    And then I composed, you know, but you can see it at the end. I said, it's my life. and it was really hard sorry go ahead ron you could talk for a few seconds i could talk for a few seconds yep you could talk it was six years ago and they had other locations like uh they had modern pinball which also isn't there anymore it's kind of sad seeing locations that aren't there anymore pinberg wasn't there anymore pinberg at a show freaking pinberg with the huge crowd and all that it's like that's that's gone now you know some of it was depressing yes but it was some of it's great it's basically an interview movie it's just all interviews with b-roll of different locations a ton of games you see gametron you see faces you see a games you never even seen before honestly the filmography was awesome yeah it's it's it's basically similar to what was the other one special when lit especially with upgraded video because it's all high def and it's all high def you know everything looks good it was weird seeing my name in the credits because you see gary stern roger sharp you know every big industry name and then on the second page bruce nightingale ron hallett like what the fuck am i doing in this city i know but it was very we were very honored you know to be included with this and i forgotten It was similar when I was in King of Kong, the cult documentary about the whole Donkey Kong world record thing. That was filmed in like 2005, 2006. It didn't come out until like 2009, and I had forgotten about it. I guess they had a – in 2023, they did a Patreon – or no, Kickstarter. Yes, they did. Kickstarter for this to try to get 20 grand. and it got to 15 000 so they got close yes so they didn't so because they wanted to make a blu-ray you know with extra footage and stuff and oh yeah that's yeah the idea was a blu-ray with the movie that you saw that's for streaming right now but then have you know extra features and well that didn't happen but they got a distributor for the video part but maybe it will you never know yeah well then i learned about the wonderful Amazon Video Prime where I pay for it and I'm watching it and it's like, oh, okay, I just want to download this so I have it on my media center. No, you can't do that. That's fucking bullshit. I paid for this movie. I know. It's ridiculous because they could just decide at some point like, yeah, that movie's gone. It's not there anymore. You can buy it on iTunes too. You can buy it on the iTunes. Can you actually download it? Yes. Oh, you can? Yeah. Did you buy it on the iTunes? Not yet. No. I'm going to though. Okay. If you do, you got to send me a copy. Yeah, I will. But, yeah, I thought it was really well done. I'm very honored to be with all those people who were on there. You know, there's a lot of people on there, like the guy who created Color DMD. You got P3. You got the people who did Pimble Arcade. And you got me and Ron. Yeah. That was weird. It was kind of weird. Gary Stern. You have Steve Ritchie. You have George Gomez.
    63:36
    You have a lot of people on there. and then you have us too. But definitely, if you haven't seen it, please see it. Please rate it. Our Zach is on there, the back of his head. Zach's on there. The pinball princess, Steph, is on there, the back of her head.
    63:51
    And here's the funny thing. I was in another scene of that also. I was – the last expo I was at was 2015. I'm playing a game in the free play room in that. And right at me. It's looking right at me. I was like, holy crap, there I am again. And I could tell because I had my pinball lifter shirt on. And like, holy shit, last time I was there was 2015. Wow, they were filming for a while. That's like three years worth of. Before, yeah, exactly. Damn. Because there was other stuff in there that was after. Yes. So they've been doing that for a while. Long time.
    64:24
    But it was really cool. If you haven't seen it, please do. Please rate it good. Please enjoy it. It's pretty much on every surface. Yeah, it really is. YouTube, iTunes, Amazon Prime. And guess what? Tubi is free. Even if you don't have Amazon, Tubi is free. You just got to watch commercials. Well, that's the thing. I have Amazon Prime Video. Yes, you do. So it was free. Most everyone does. But I bought it anyway so I could download it, and then I find I can't actually download it.
    64:55
    I hate technology. I hate this shit. I hate it. What do you do for a living? Exactly. That's why I hate it. I know.
    65:05
    Yeah. This was a fun week. Yeah, I can imagine. I was in Needham, Massachusetts at our back-off site.
    65:15
    And then, yeah, I was like over 40 hours for the week before I started working on Friday. Yikes. Too bad I'm salaried and won't get anything extra for that. Yeah. Boo. So, repairs, Ron?
    65:31
    Repairs, yes. Yeah, we didn't do repairs last week, folks. Sorry, guys. We totally blew that. I'm sorry. Jesus Christ.
    65:44
    I've had a lot of little miscellaneous things as I've been getting all the games ready for Stomp. Can you dig it? I have four games left, which I'm going to do today, and then I'll be complete through all 30 whatever the hell it is games. I'm losing track. It's funny when you go through all the games, the little things you find that actually were broken or oh yeah or it's like oh i didn't even realize that was an issue or like i had multiple games where like the rubber for the shooter tip was cracked and falling off it's like uh how did this happen i mean it's dry rubber's not that yeah it's not that old i don't understand my rubber's always crack oh god what i didn't say or or uh like Demoman one of my stand up targets was just like cranked all the way over and I found out it because the rivet fell out And I don have any rivet I actually have a rivet press like a handheld one but I don have any rivets long enough for this so I end up putting a screw through it That works. Yeah, there's a lot of – that works. Yeah, weird things, like going through my Lethal Weapon 3, and it looks like Lethal Weapon 3 had different plastics on the left, some of them. Like they weren't the same. it's on the left side so big on the left side where the the saucer is there is a plastic with in my case a little red flasher dome but i've seen them where it's like a blue flasher dome with a completely different art i looked at the what you might call it flyer the flyer jesus why can't i my brain doesn't work anymore the flyer shows the one i got so i would assume mine's earlier than and the other ones later i don't know i guarantee they didn't expect the run to go as long as they did but then they realized the awesomeness of lethal weapon three awesome and and they had to keep making them so uh are we ready for stomp in two weeks baby oh we'll be ready we'll be ready so uh if you have a complaint about the size being 40 people don't email or text me text iran yeah it's 40 don't don't email me anymore it's it's gonna be great it's gonna be great time it'll be swell it'll be great gonna have the whole world on a plate you still need unless i didn't see it you still need to sign the um fire hydrant fire hydrant oh maybe i do yeah i signed george of course all the former winners oh that's right i am a former winner yeah yeah my wiener yeah we got to get um joe joe to sign it too because he forgot to have him sign it after he won last time and yes the belt is in my possession and ron's the only person that's seen it the belt's good the belt is good that's good especially if you like of all of bruce's wonderful italian he does when he makes fun of figioretti hey what the fuck it uh yeah you'll like this belt of course more than likely the person who wins it doesn't even listen to the podcast will have no idea what it means maybe maybe not you never know but uh yes it's uh the belt is ordered the trope we have trophies for second was ordered it is in your possession everything's in my possession now so i just got to pull out the money from paypal and pull it out and uh put it in all the little uh things and actually make it this year instead of getting covid or no i last year i got work it was yeah work i told my boss i'm like i i told my boss he's like well i think later in the month we're going to be needing i'm like not even going to show up on the 21st and 28th he's like uh i'm like don't even think about it i said look at the calendar we have a big humongous calendar digitalized and i put all red marks across the whole thing for bruce don't even fucking think about don't even fucking think about it i said last year you burned me and my other boss travis texted back and he's like yeah you're you're exempt from this year you you gave up last year for me so uh yeah this year no it happened i'm not fucking working fuck that so the other thing i wanted to mention and shopping out all these games i have been using the pin snake oh you've been snaking it i've been snaking it nice and uh we haven't used it yet our next cleaning day is a couple weeks from now so you need to use the pin snake i'll get the other thing so he needs now we have a request and ron's already brought up the one request oh right or wrong oh smaller version yes yeah so using the pin snake it's great for orbits you know and and stuff that's not really like a sharp curve so orbits if you have other shots that aren't a sharp curve it's awesome it gets back in the places you usually can't get to especially some of the games it was really helpful like iron maiden all that crap in the center like the play field, Johnny Mnemonic. Also the ramps, you can get behind the back panel that you can't even see. You can get the thing back there. But some of the sharper turns it can't do because it's too big. I think there needs to be a smaller version, like a thinner version. And we already have the name.
    70:45
    And actually, the pinball princess, Steph, came up with it. It should be called the pinworm. So there you go. Trademark that. The pinworm. You get just a smaller, just make it skinnier. because if it's skinnier, it'll be able to – you can make it long, but you'll be able to do the tight turns if it's skinnier. If it's possible to print that on a 3D printer, I don't know how easy that would be. I don't know how to do that. It might already be as small as it can be printed. Yeah, but, you know, it'd be cool.
    71:13
    You said you worked really well. It worked. I've gotten to areas I haven't been able to get to, Bruce. I've gotten to areas I haven't been touched in years.
    71:24
    It's definitely more for the newer games. I didn't really need it on any of the old It's for Hidden plastic ramps underneath When you need to get When you need to clean areas you can't get to Because of freaking ramps everywhere You use this Yes I totally agree Oy yoy yoy My repairs Last night I'm Batman Rotisserie is not moving at all What the fuck The rotisserie Yeah, the rotisserie of death on Batman 66. Is it called rotisserie? You had a different name for it before, which I think is the right – turntable. Turntable, but I call it the rotisserie because they're fucking – so I get it apart, and two screws break in the motor holding thing. So I was like, I got them both out last night, so now I have to go buy some new screws, put it all back together, clean all the optos because I think one of the optos get – they get really dirty. Then, while I'm in there, I look up and, oh, wait, my coil sleeves are both crapping out because I have a nice gold and black dust all over the fucking place. Oh, one of the bolts for the coil stop is broken, and I've got to take apart the whole flipper assembly. So you're still using, like, the screws? Yes. So I've got to take that apart today. I've got to put it all back together, get some screws, re-tap the holes. It just fucking sucks.
    72:51
    Excalibur. We released the board with one of Zach's new ADA boards, and one of our members, Mark, said, I think I fixed the board so we can put this one back in.
    73:01
    He's not a member. He's an owner. He's the owner, and we can save it, save this board. Well, he puts it back in. It doesn't work. Then we put the old board back – the new board back in, and now we lost sound. I was like, fuck. So I'm looking around. I'm like – and he was putting it in. He goes, is this the reset board? board because on Gottlieb they have a reset board that supposedly stops resets but if it's hooked up it usually causes resets or won't let it boot up so I'm like I don't know you know so he left it off and he's like oh I got no sound so I'm looking at the schematic like no that's the auxiliary power board for the 12 volts and negative 12 volts plug it back in got sound fuck got some couple em issues doodle bug your favorite game in the world Ron please tell me it's broke it broke and yes start a game again yes and then today i'm actually this is why this morning i found all my parts and i was looking for stuff i'm going to bring in a driver board and i have to bring in a cpu and i have to take the cpu out of my freefall but if somebody's going to buy my freefall which is for sale and in beautiful shape and it's been touched up and cleared by ashley if anyone wants to buy that you're more than welcome to contact me you know you're always i You could sell me the countdown. You could have me buy. I could buy out of the, or no. That means I would totally own Fireball Classic. Well, that's not much, but you can do it. I'd be happy with that. Yeah.
    74:33
    That'd be perfect. I'd be almost a little more than third way. I'd be. Third of the way. I'd be 40% there. Games are too expensive. I'd be 40% there. They're so expensive now. I'd be loving that, Ron. If you want to do that, that would push me closer to the finish line. With everyone else's help of donating money. Yes, wink, wink, hint, hint, wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com.
    74:54
    That's wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com. Wow. He really wants the X-Men. Wink, wink, hint, hint. Zach Many, I will be your bitch.
    75:07
    I can be in the cult. If you need a tech, backup tech, I can fill in some work, too. for your place you know just just send the hard problems to me i'll fix them up for you would that be flipping out we might as well say his name that many times yep flipping out pinball we get our most of our games from him except for certain le's because we're on this we're on the local guys le list the local guys le list yeah so uh yeah if anybody wants to buy a free fall i might even sell my uh i might even sell my cheetah oh my black one oh that's right you have more than one no i only have one now oh you can't do that i have the blue one at the rpc it's never taken that okay see so i'm looking at that way so maybe i'd even sell my cheetah or you can buy me out of jt's stargazer and then or jt just buy me out of my stargazer and i'll get the work and continue to charge you for the work but buy me out of it i got well the play fields are finally redone i just have to get them cleared now that's vance in a couple weeks so uh repairs other than that i have to go pull the cpu board out of free fall put it back in and see if it's the driver board that was the 43 volts because once in a while it just freaks out and drops and just starts doing wacky shit or if it's the cpu board so i'm going to go basic i have the driver board first and then we'll go from there zach's all upset with me though if i do change out the cpu board it doesn't have the good roms that i made and make it makes dracula better I'm like, then fix the board after I get it out. People will not notice for two weeks that it doesn't have your special ROMs because he's special. Oh, an aftermarket board that can't play his ROMs? No, he made a special ROM. Well, I know, but what are you swapping it in with that you can't use the special ROM? Oh, just a Weebly with some of the different stuff, but it's not the ROM that Zach has made. Yeah, but can't you just – I thought you could put any custom ROM you want in that thing. You can, but it has to be a certain size and certain everything else. You've got to burn it a certain way, but you can do it. Well, ask him about last time he had to do this. It was a pain in the ass with Cheetah. Oh. Yeah. I know it has to be a certain ROM size, and it's bizarre. You have to do so many bytes or blank space, and then this part, and then blank space, and this part. He did it like three times, and it failed every time. Then finally the fourth time, he's like, I got it. So it works. He just doesn't want to deal with it. Yeah, I don't want to deal with it just for two weeks of work. He can just bring his CPU back home and fix the CPU, the original one. That's the way I look at it. so i'm gonna pull that out after the podcast have that upstairs with the other stuff bring that in work on the rotisserie get some screws from the next hardware store next door from the rpc and go from there and then clean batman because it's really fucking dirty i'm dirty i'm a dirty batman i'm dirty batman yeah uh what else have we repaired uh counterforce is almost done Is Star Race done? Star Race is done. It's actually an approval. So hopefully by next week, I think the approval is all passed, so we actually can go on the floor at any time. It's good to be approved. Yes. Zach's got that all up and running. Plays really good. And there'll be another game coming to the RPC.
    78:15
    Little Chief. Okay. Little Chief. So we'll have three new games I'll play on the floor soon, and I've got to pull out Medieval Madness. I have the worst thing we have to do to Medieval Madness. It's going to suck. You got to take the castle off? No, no, no, no, no. Oh. Even worse. Well, that's a remake one, right? Yes. Okay.
    78:37
    So what's the most pain in the ass thing you can think of taking apart on that game? I don't know. I've never taken apart that game. That's why I said castle. No, the whole LED board underneath. One of the LEDs is bad. Ah. So all the LEDs, all the CPU functions go through it. All the drivers go into this one big board. So it's not like, say, the original one where you could just change a bulb. No.
    79:04
    And, of course, it's lock three that's out all the way at the edge. So it probably flexed, the joint cracked, and then we got to just probably do a jumper wire. And it's on the other side, so that's going to really suck. Is that an all-surface mount shit? Yep. Luckily, we have stuff for it. Oh. I have my goggles there. Your goggles? You mean your magnifying things? Magnifying goggles, yes. It was just goggles. I'd be like, okay. Well, that's for splatter and everything. Splatter, yes, yes. So much solder splashing in your face. I splatter myself all over the place. That solder would have got in my eye if it wasn't for my goggles. Ow, my eye! You're going to shoot your eye out. You're going to goggle. You're going to solder your eye out.
    79:48
    So that repairs and getting games ready. literally the back is freeing up a little bit. We finally figured out, I think, what's going on with BSD.
    79:57
    Here's the weird thing. The long opto. You know what the long opto is on the BSD. So this is Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yes, BSD. The long opto is the one that goes all the way across when the ball goes across the play field. So it knows when you hit the ball and knock it off the beam. So for the first four minutes or five minutes, it does not work. And then finally it starts working, and then it works fine for the rest of the game until you turn it off and turn it back on and it doesn't work for three to four to five minutes and then it'll work for the rest of the time it's on.
    80:29
    We finally figured it out. And then everyone says, replace the caps, replace the caps. So Mark replaced the caps and we're like, he's like, still not working. So we look at it, me and Zach, and we're like, there's corrosion on the board. A lot of corrosion. The caps must have blown apart in the past and just puked.
    80:47
    And there's... Which board? like the outdoor board under the playfield yes it's the outdoor board just for the long i'm like mark all the corrosion that's on here and probably some of the things and you're going to try to acid you know you're going to waste two hours on this it's going to cost the guy hundred dollars buy the board and just be done so we ordered the board hopefully that'll be next week and now be finally fucking gone finally and then we're barely out of anything in the back i think next thing will be i'm going to pull out trident again and just do my crappy clear coat bruce is gonna try a clear coat oh boy no not a professional one just spray can in the clear coat because the middle just peels right up but it would be cool to have trident i'm trying to try it's all right yep and then back to uh quicksilver this fall and winter that'll be my finish the winter project and then hopefully get stargazer here i'm gonna bring stargazer to the house next week.
    81:46
    That's all my repairs. Got a whole shitload. Yeah, I see that. Never end at the RPC because we're here to give you best quality games. How's your weather today, Ron?
    81:59
    Shitty out, isn't it? I haven't been outside, but it's supposedly raining. Raining and 61 degrees. Well, you're in Rochester. It's 67 here. Okay, yeah, it's just crappy.
    82:11
    Summer's over, bro. Summer's over. I slept in today to like 7, and I woke up, and I'm like, it's still dark out mostly. Wow, you slept in to 7. That's late for you, Bruce. It is late for me. Usually up at like 3 in the morning or something. I was watching The Boys last night until about midnight. Oh, the show. Oh, fuck yeah. Will there be a Boys pin? Oh, God. Spooky would make it. It would be so vulgar, wouldn't it be funny? Spooky could make it. That's about it. It would be the gore. The gore would be there. Uh-huh.
    82:43
    What else we have on the docket, sir? That's all we got. You're getting nervous for your flight over to jolly old England and getting some major English hugs? English hugs. I think I'm set with that for now. We'll see. Give them some hugs, people. No, don't. Show them some love. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Love, love, love. But, yeah, I'm looking forward to stop. Looking forward to England. Looking forward to Expo. They just released their tentative schedule, and it's like two pages long. It's never been that long. Dual Penetration Extreme is coming to Chicago. Yes, they are. They have so many seminars. They got like two different rooms, and some of them are going concurrently. Which just sucks. That's just. So if you want to see both at the same time, you're kind of screwed. Kind of fucked. And they never record them and release them later on, which they should.
    83:35
    Yeah. That's just bad. Yeah, but they'll have one of the seminars is for John Wick. So Timber.
    83:47
    Don't forget, wizard underscore mode at Yahoo.com for your giving. Donations. The X-Men fun. Making both of us happy. Uh-huh. Would it make you happy if I bought an X-Men? Sure.
    83:59
    No, would it make you happy? Happy. Ron, you do need a free fall. No, I don't. You do. God, no. The game where you can't shoot the lock actively, it just falls in. Yeah. The ripoff, basically just using the same lock mech from 2000, which is – You need a split second. Hurry, hurry. Hurry. It's better in the free fall, but still, no, I don't need a split second. Hurry, hurry, hurry. I have the stern wide bodies that I need. How about an Ali?
    84:32
    The thing about Ali is just kind of the same. I don't know. it's all right i don't dislike it but i never liked it enough to say like yeah i need an alley we'll talk you think about that jesus christ you think about that just buy all the games for me yes yes stop this has been episode 235 of the slam till podcast go to our website at www.slamtillpodcast.com check out all our links in the upper right hand corner including our twitch link because we will be streaming stop in a couple weeks it's going to be exciting you can uh and we're not playing in it nope you can email us at slamtoe podcast at gmail.com that's slamtoe podcast at gmail.com uh what's our next episode uh it'll probably be right after stomp yeah before stomp or before stomp yeah probably before stomp i'm thinking probably the thursday before so i think that's it hello to everyone in the the cluster buck Cluster Bucky. Isaac. Pinball Princess. Steve, Fun Will Bonus. All the other podcasts. Mr. and Mrs. Pin. Loser Kids. Everybody. I think I've exhausted everything. I'm going through my checklist. Did I forget anything? Because, you know, like I said, we forgot repairs last week. We usually don't forget that. No, we usually don't. No.
    85:52
    Yeah, I think that's it. You got a name, Bruce? I have a name, and I'm ready to go. Okay. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Christopher Cribs.
    86:27
    We'll be right back. Oh my. ...released in 1968 in a Dutch porn movie. Look it up. Actually, yeah, I could see that. That does sound Dutch. Yes. I wonder if that'll be in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Ooh, I hope so. I hope DPX does.
    87:52
    That would be awesome. You better be recording this. This is fucking good shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. DPX Extreme.
    88:07
    They can be their music when they power up the game. They had a video. I saw it yesterday. I was going to save it, and I got busy at work. it's this robot that serves people and it went out of control and it looks like it's just humping everything oh jesus and they're playing fuck like a beast from wasp oh god and the robots are going