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Episode 234 – Bruce Is Right

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 40m·analyzed·Aug 29, 2024
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TL;DR

Stern code delays, failed home editions, and overpriced boutique games frustrate community as manufacturers struggle with licensing and sales.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss Stern's distribution and code quality challenges, criticizing games like Jaws, John Wick, and Venom for incomplete code states months after release. They debate Stern's Costco Jurassic Park Home Edition pricing ($5k-$6k), arguing it will fail like previous home models. Notable discussions include Jersey Jack's misspelling of Steve Ritchie's name in promotional content, Dutch Pinball's DPX (Alice) exclusive game at $20-25k pricing, American Pinball's struggling sales with Barry O's Barbecue and delayed Cuphead, and broader frustrations with manufacturer pricing strategies and lack of major IP involvement (e.g., Keanu Reeves for John Wick).

Key Claims

  • Jaws pinball code is at version 0.94, released since January, still not at 1.0

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing current code versions; Ron confirms 0.94 as of episode recording (August 2024)

  • John Wick pinball code is at 0.86 after 3-4 months of release and should be closer to 1.0

    high confidence · Bruce directly states '0.86' for John Wick code version

  • Dwight (Stern programmer) produces the buggiest code at Stern, with TMNT at version 1.57

    high confidence · Ron directly asks 'Who's the buggiest code?' and answers 'Dwight'; compares TMNT (1.57) to Munsters (1.26)

  • Stern partnered with Costco to sell Jurassic Park Home Edition Plus at $5,000 (Costco) vs $6,000 (Stern website)

    high confidence · Bruce and Ron discuss pricing differential and mock Stern's markup strategy

  • Home Edition Plus includes solid wood playfield, Insider Connected camera/reader ($30 upgrade), and cosmetic coin door

    high confidence · Detailed discussion of new features vs. previous plastic models; references looking at pictures

  • Stern previously sold Ironman and Batman home editions at Costco that failed to sell

    high confidence · Bruce references 'Ironmans and Batman the Ironman Costco edition' and 'original Batman without the spinning rotation'

  • Godzilla 70th Anniversary Edition LEs are not selling as fast as Stern expected

    medium confidence · Ron notes 'not many people selling them' and 'they're not going through the factory as fast as they thought'

  • Venom LE code is at version 1.02 and is complete (1.0+)

    high confidence · Bruce and Ron confirm Venom reached 1.02, marking it as finished

  • Steve Ritchie's name is misspelled as 'Richie' in Jersey Jack's Elton John video graphic (correct in description)

    high confidence · Ron details discovering the error at 20 seconds into JJP's YouTube video; notes it's spelled correctly in description

Notable Quotes

  • “Stop trying to make the code halfway through...You're not going to get cruise control until six months. You might get heated seats at a year.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early segment — Core criticism of Stern's post-release code update strategy; uses car analogy to frame incomplete games at premium prices

  • “They have to get away from this. And this has been a gripe for years...as the top pinball supplier to the world, you think that would be a easy, hey, look what we do here.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early-mid segment — Bruce argues Stern should use code completeness as competitive advantage

  • “Jaws is a single...John Wick is a fucking balk.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-early segment — Uses baseball rating system to express game quality; John Wick extremely negative

  • “What are we going to say about that? Cash rub! I can get a home model pinball machine, or for half the price, I can get a 100-inch TV.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid segment — Points out Costco $6k pinball vs $2.2k 100-inch TV value proposition problem

  • “How would you feel if you were a costco member and you bought your pinball machine at stern and you found out at costco i could have got this a thousand dollars cheaper”

    Ron Hallett @ mid segment — Highlights customer resentment of Stern's dual-channel pricing strategy

  • “They're showing you my famous designer, Steve Ritchie...and his name is spelled wrong. R-I-C-H-I-E. Ritchie.”

    Ron Hallett @ late-mid segment — Calls out JJP's unprofessional error in official promotional video; references personal history

  • “Once again, once you're on our show, boom. You're famous. You're going to be hired by a pinball company if you want to be.”

    Ron Hallett @ late segment — Meta-commentary on podcast influence; references Dick Hamill's hiring by Chicago Gaming for Blues Brothers

  • “You have somebody complaining that Stern can't sell enough...but its distributors can't sell $7,000 to $8,000 games. And now we have another company that's got to bring out a $20,000 to $25,000 game for 50 to 100 people.”

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyJawsgameJohn WickgameVenomgameGodzilla 70th Anniversarygame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern distributors unable to move $7-8k games; home edition strategy repeatedly fails despite multiple iterations (Ironman/Batman at Costco, now Jurassic Park)

    high · Kerry Hardy reported distributors struggling; Bruce notes previous Costco attempts failed; predicts JP+ will also fail

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball using Barry O's Barbecue Challenge as filler game to keep factory moving; but low sales indicate strategy failing; last major release (GT) was 1.5-2 years ago

    high · Bruce: 'Barry O was a filler game...put out something because the last game you put out really big was what was it uh gt'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: John Wick criticized as lacking any celebrity involvement (Keanu Reeves); hosts argue major licensing deals require actual IP partner participation, citing Elton John success as counterexample

    medium · Bruce: 'You should have got Keanu Reeves instead of going hey what's that in the corner'; contrasts with JJP's Elton John participation

  • $

    market_signal: LE games no longer selling out immediately; Godzilla 70th Anniversary LEs moving slower than expected, indicating market fatigue or reduced demand

    high · Ron: 'They're not going through the factory as fast as they thought'; 'if you notice le's are not selling out when they first come out anymore'

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball misspelled legendary designer Steve Ritchie's name in official Elton John promotional video (R-I-C-H-I-E vs correct R-I-T-C-H-I-E)

    high · Ron discovered error at 20-second mark in JJP YouTube video; notes spelling is correct in description but wrong in graphic

Transcript

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0:00
I love how spacious the kitchen is now that you've raised the original tin ceiling, Chip. Oh, and these sliding barn doors add just the right homey touch, Joanna. You know who's got an even better homey touch, Chip? My new boyfriend, Butthead.
0:16
Hey, baby. Get lost, you damn hippie. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slamtail Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Gonna buy a hole at the glory hole. Blow my at the glory hole. So you're censoring yourself. Yes. Very good. Yes, we saw Steel Panther. Yes, we did. As those who listen to the show know, this was a thing I agreed to. If I could sit down. And I did get to sit down. The whole time. Yes, I did. They were very comfortable seats, actually. Yeah. Pretty cool place. Electric City in Buffalo had a Steel Panther concert. The last leg of their three-year tour. Yes.
1:19
Well, the first of the last leg of their, yeah. Yeah. Three-year tour. A three-year tour. So what did you think, Ron?
1:30
It's pretty much what I expected. I mean, I wasn't any surprises there. They did totally change the set list. Yes, they did. From what they were playing in Europe. So we did not get to hear our theme song. No, I was very disappointed with that. I wanted to hear Tiger Woods, but did not get to.
1:49
We posted it on our Facebook. The Slam Tilt Facebook. Yes. as we were there. Yeah, there was even, I know they interact with the crowd, but it was even more than I thought. Oh, yeah, they were a lot more than last time for me. Yeah. They really were interacting. Yeah.

  • Dutch Pinball's DPX (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland extreme version) is priced at $20-25k minimum with code at 0.04

    medium confidence · Bruce speculates '$20,000 minimum' and predicts '$25,000'; Ron confirms code is 0.04

    • Bruce Nightingale @ late segment — Highlights contradiction: Stern struggling with $7-8k games while Dutch Pinball/DPX launches $20-25k exclusive for tiny audience

  • “save your fucking money. if you miss out you miss out that's it don't give anybody a red cent until you go first”

    Bruce Nightingale @ late segment — Advice against pre-ordering from manufacturers; advocates waiting for distributor availability

  • “They're still making Hot Wheels and other – they're older games too...It's funny how you have the company that can make games, but they can't seem to get the licenses or the titles”

    Ron Hallett @ final segment — Critiques American Pinball's inability to secure strong IP licenses despite manufacturing capability

    • Jurassic Park Home Edition Plus
    game
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesgame
    Munstersgame
    Steve Ritchieperson
    Dwightperson
    Elton John Pinballgame
    Dutch Pinballcompany
    DPX / Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Extreme)game
    Dick Hamillperson
    Blues Brothersgame
    American Pinballcompany
    Barry O's Barbecue Challengegame
    Cupheadgame
    Kerry Hardyperson
    Carrie Fisherperson
    John Papadukeperson
  • ?

    personnel_signal: Dick Hamill (Slam Tilt guest, rules designer) hired by Chicago Gaming to create open-source code for Blues Brothers

    high · Ron: 'Once again, once you're on our show, boom. You're famous. You're going to be hired by a pinball company'

  • $

    market_signal: Stern's three-tier model ($5-6k home edition vs $7-8k Pro vs higher LE/Premium) perceived as unsustainable; Costco $5k variant undercuts Stern website $6k by $1k margin

    high · Bruce: 'That tells you stern's making a grand for posting it on their own page'; compares to $2.2k 100-inch TV alternative

  • $

    market_signal: Boutique manufacturers (Dutch Pinball/DPX) launching $20-25k limited exclusive games (50-100 units) while Stern struggling to sell $7-8k standard Pro models; market fundamentally misaligned

    high · Bruce highlights contradiction: 'You have somebody complaining that Stern can't sell enough...but its distributors can't sell $7,000 to $8,000 games. And now we have another company that's got to bring out a $20,000 to $25,000 game'

  • ?

    announcement: Dutch Pinball's DPX (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland extreme version) exclusive for ~50-100 units; code at early 0.04 stage; predicted $20-25k pricing

    medium · Ron cites Facebook video showing ball saver; Bruce predicts '$20,000 minimum' and '$25,000' final price

  • ?

    product_concern: Jaws at 0.94 and John Wick at 0.86 code versions months after release indicate incomplete games shipped at premium $7-12k prices

    high · Ron confirms Jaws code 0.94 since January; Bruce confirms John Wick 0.86 after 3-4 months

  • ?

    rumor_hype: American Pinball rumored to be holding Cuphead reveal from Expo; unclear if release strategy or quality/licensing issue

    medium · Bruce: 'What do you think of the rumor that they are not going to be unveiling Cuphead at Expo'; rates Cuphead concept as 'bad idea'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Growing frustration with manufacturer pricing, code completeness, and home edition attempts; community patience wearing thin on repetitive failed strategies

    high · Bruce: 'What do you think? It's going to fail like the other ones did'; 'save your fucking money. if you miss out you miss out that's it'

    • 2:06
    Which is good. I have no problem with it. And Abby is the legend, I guess. Abby is a legend when she falls off the back of the stool.
    2:15
    It's probably on YouTube somewhere. Probably. I guarantee it. Whoop. Boom. Came right back up. Oh, man. Okay. so uh that was all we have uh ron who we have as our guest well uh let's see i wrote some some stuff down good because we got shit out there nothing's going on except for carrie hardy scaring uh trying to scare everyone that stern's in trouble even though it's not stern that's in trouble it's the distributors have to buy these crappy games are in trouble oh okay are you saying the games aren't good enough if they're not selling What does that tell you? Right now, you can still get LE Jaws from some vendors, some distributors, and you can definitely get some John Wicks LEs.
    3:03
    So. Are you saying they're not home runs? No, they're probably Bunt Singles. Okay, well, hold on. Pop Out Fly. What's Jaws?
    3:14
    Jaws is. I haven't played the LE yet. I haven't been over to Mark's house yet. So I would like to try the LE first, but the Pro. it's a single a single wow okay a sharp single you know a nice crisp you know a nice crisp sharp single yes okay yeah what is what is john wick that's a fucking balk that's a balk wow okay i like our baseball rating system so that's that game is just The more I play it and the more the rules change on it or try to change it and make it better, it does nothing.
    3:56
    And Stern has to get away from this. And this has been a gripe for years. Stop trying to make the code halfway through.
    4:06
    Like, you know, we're going to sell a $9,000 to $12,000 game, and it's like a car analogy. You're not going to get cruise control until six months. You might get heated seats at a year. That nav system, that might never work. But, you know, they got to stop with this crap. Close to one we need to be or something. But no one does that. I agree. No one does that. But as the top pinball supplier to the world, you think that would be a easy, hey, look what we do here. we are better than all the rest which they already are because you know i didn't realize yours wasn't at 1.0 yet no it's not and that's been out since the beginning of the year exactly so that's a problem when you bought this eight months ago or seven months ago and you still don't have power windows in your car that's some people would argue that that's one of the It makes the game better. It's one of the thrills of constantly getting the new code. It's like it makes it new again every time new code comes out. No, it doesn't. You don't believe in that? Some of these updates are pretty shit.
    5:19
    Wow. They are. I'm waiting for a code update. Waiting for a code update. And you updated the back code assembly to make it run better. That code in the back door was upgraded, Bruce? is the only way in sometimes the back door is the only way in so it's turned on the rag is that what you're saying they are on the rag we just lost we just lost all women listening to this right there still panther references galore here uh this is episode 234 i don't think i even said that but wow but yeah no it's just it's just what was smooth fighters again was that a triple i'm trying to remember your rating system that was a double well that was a double that was a double okay if you listeners go back and write us if he was incorrect and you can write us at slam till podcast at gmail.com just getting that out there right up front because people seem to love to email us because we have a ton of them again we got a lot of stuff on my ball bag ah yes but uh no it's just like come on guys stop make it make it so the code is pretty good not just oh it like we're we're better than we were of guardians of galaxy guardians of the galaxy oh god everything else i will that was point six that was also there were circumstances a certain but that was the extreme of shit that was the extreme of shit being sent out it was still sold and sent out that way yeah that did feel like almost alpha coded it was alpha code really was that was bad but it's just like come on what what are the codes up to right now let's see i think it's nine i think it's 0.94 because they just coincidentally right before we went on the air they streamed stern pinball that is a new uh topper mode god so you gotta spend my money i gotta spend my money topper in order to get this but it's called the shark is broken i turned it on but it was actually ending as i turned it on so i kind of yay okay so what code do you think jaws is that i said i think it's 0.94 it is 0.94 that's been out what since january how what do you think the code is for venom Venom's been out, what, almost a year now. Well, no, that came out after Jaws, didn't it? Did it? No. No? No, it was before. Before. Oh.
    7:52
    1.0. 1.02. There you go. See, it's done. Yay, it's done. Yeah, that's done. It's done. You have no argument on that one, Bruce. John Wick. Well, come on. That literally just came out. It just literally came out. That doesn't matter. It's been out three months now, four months. What code are we at? So the way you say it should already be 1.0. It should be close. Is it? I have no idea what that's at. 0.86.
    8:21
    0.86. Yeah. Yeah, that's a ticket. Yeah. Okay. What do you think's got the highest revisions? The highest revisions? Do you mean the most revisions? No, the number-wise. Like we're at, say, you said 1.02. Oh, fun. No.
    8:40
    No. Who makes the worst code for Stern right now? Besides. I'm not. Come on. Say it. They're all good professional code makers, Bruce. I'm not saying it. Who's the buggiest code? Oh, the buggiest code is usually Dwight. Yes. And there you go. 1.57 for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Okay.
    9:00
    And Munsters are 1.26. Yeah. I'm just going to leave that right there. So in addition to the topper mode, there was another stream, I think last week, of a new mode.
    9:16
    Yes. And I asked you what you thought, and predictably you said you hated it because you hate everything. It's really cheesy NES fucking graphics. NES graphics. Yes, that's the whole coolness of it. I know, but NES wasn't out in the 70s. If they did Atari graphics, I'd be more happier because that would be – Yeah, but they would look like total shit. But wait a sec. If you're trying for the motif of 70s, which the movie is based off of, wouldn't you try to do something with, like, cheesy? It's almost like E.T. we would need. We need that kind of. Oh, God. Yeah, exactly. No, I would do NES, which is the range of most of the people buying this game. Yeah, that's the problem. 84, 85. That's not the problem. It's not a problem. It's called Jaws the Revenge Challenge Mode, where you are Jaws and you get to eat people. Too new.
    10:07
    Too new. And you literally get to chop them with the button. It's like the action button game. You just chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. And then they try to kill you because you're Jaws and you kill them. What's the name of the shark? Bruce. There you go. Yeah, and he has that name in the game. Yes, he does. They call him Bruce. That's the only cool thing about it. Oh, of course, because it's – it looked interesting i wouldn't mind playing it the only thing is you need what 10 shark teeth to play this i know so you have to have the game on insider connected you have to get the shark teeth or whatever yeah that's the way they're going though that's the way it is yeah the insider connected that sometimes it kicks off of us at the co-op and you try to sign in and it's just like trying to get 27 steps to get to the landscape or portrait mode portrait or portrait okay someone's having issues with their insider connected it sounds like i just i explain it to everyone they're like oh yeah it is that hard yeah it is bargain sucks but we do have more tvs oh you have more tv you have more tvs where bruce where do you where would How could that be, Ron? Where would I have more TVs? I just asked you. And I'm asking you. Where would I have more TVs? I'm leading you in. I'm bad at lead-ins. You can't lead-in. I am terrible at lead-ins. Yeah, but then you just throw it back at me. Yes.
    11:33
    Uno. Reverse. Okay. I put my reverse card out. Draw four cards, Bruce. Fuck. You failed. Oh, that would be at the Rochester Pinball Collective. Yes. Which is where, Bruce?
    11:52
    349 West Commercial Street in beautiful downtown East Rochester, New York. 1-4-4-4-5. Suite number 2965. Very good. What's the biggest TV you think you can get from Costco? Oh, God. I have no idea, Bruce. 85 inches. 100 inches of all TV. Oh. How much do you think that costs? What kind of TV? Is it OLED or just like LCD, LED? It is OLED. Oh, God. $5,000. $2,200. What? A Heisen. Oh, a Heisen. There you go. Heisen. I don't know. I think that's made in the factory next to where they make ABBA. No, no, no. It's next to Blues Brothers. Oh, okay. In Taiwan. In Taiwan, actually, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's more like it. More like it, definitely. Uh-huh. But yeah, 100 inches for $2,200. Wow. Wait a minute. Did you say Costco?
    12:53
    Costco? Wow. Where the hell did I get that? What a lead-in. What a lead-in that he didn't even realize he just did. Yeah, I know. He totally didn't realize it. But did you know Stern Pinball has partnered with Costco, and they're going to be selling Jurassic Park Home Editions?
    13:12
    Yeah, and they're going to call it. So you know what the name of it is now? Remember we had the pin. And we had the – what was the other names, some of the other names they used? Because they didn't call them like Home Edition. They had other names.
    13:26
    Cheap-ass fucks. What are they? Well, this is going to be called the Home Plus. Okay, so what's so plus about it? Home Edition Plus. What's so plus about it? It's going to cost $5,000 if you get it at Costco and $6,000 if you get it on the Stern website. yeah that's really smart so that tells you stern's making a grand for posting it on their own page it's the same as the i mean it's the existing home edition that came out except this one has insider connected which the old one didn't have oh so for the 30 of camera the wi-fi and the uh cabling 30 bucks yeah that's a pretty good thousand dollar markup wait what what camera is involved the camera for the uh for the uh scanning your uh oh it's not connected that's 30 bucks is that called a camera is that called a reader it's called a camera it's called okay so yeah 30 bucks gives you more money to spend on a crappy pen well it says the new model will also include a solid wood play field what was the other ones like plastic article board Oh, okay, so a solid wood playfield this time and a cosmetic coin door.
    14:51
    Cosmetic still means non-functional. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture. It looks like they used a coin door. They probably just don't have any actual mechs on the other side. No, there's no mechs behind it except for just buttons there. But it looks like the standard HAP coin door. Yep. So what do you think? They're trying the whole thing again. They've tried this multiple times now, yes, including I think at Costco before wasn't that where the Ironmans were Ironmans and Batman the Ironman Costco edition yeah and the original Batman without the spinning rotation of the spinning rotation that's usually what spinning does it rotates no the Joker thing in the back left corner from the old version oh the old version which was Dark Knight there's something wrong and you don't know what it is.
    15:45
    So what do you think? It's going to sell or just fail? It's going to fail like the other ones did. Fail. Well, first thing, the insulting part, the insulting thing is, guess what? I can buy it $5,000 at Costco if I pay for a $60 membership or I have to pay $6,000.
    16:02
    What are we going to say about that? Cash rub! I can get a home model pinball machine, or for half the price, I can get a 100-inch TV. Yeah, exactly. And not have any problems with the TV for the first couple years, while the node boards will probably crap out on all these older shit boxes.
    16:23
    Oh, those Avengers you see. I saw there's a couple that are actually on our marketplace for Facebook. Oh, the Avengers home model? Yeah, and none of them work because all the node boards just crapped out on them. And what does that tell you? I spent $4,000 or $3,500 on those games, and they're worth nothing without me putting at least $300 to $400 into a crappy game. It will never work. What they need to do is just make a pro cheaper, and maybe you'll sell some more.
    16:57
    You've heard it here, folks. Bruce has spoken. I was going to say, from 2004, it was $3,200 shipped for a new inbox. Now it is $7,000 to $7,200. I hate to say it, inflation is not that high for the past 20-plus years. It's not. But we keep on paying more and more. And, well, now people aren't paying that much more and more. They're going to wait for a good game. They're not just going to deal with a game that's going to be okay. if you notice le's are not selling out when they first come out anymore unless it's a fuck yeah title like look at godzilla how many people do you know to actually bought a godzilla's 70th anniversary not many i know of they're out there don't get me wrong they are selling them but i thought they thought it was gonna be like you thought everyone's gonna be selling their premiums or their le's especially the premiums i thought we were gonna see a big glutton of premiums going out there and you know what we saw not many people selling them so that means they're not going through the factory as fast as they thought and it kind of sucks and lots of stern bashing well it's not stern bashing it's just reality you've done what you said you weren't going to do oh we're gonna have no more le oh wait a sec we're gonna make the 70 anniversary edition they go against what they say what they're going to do and that's the really annoying part and people are getting sick of it oh we're not going to have a special jurassic park 40th anniversary oh here we come we've got something new coming out oh we're never going to do this again oh now we have the godzilla the 70th well they said they wouldn't do an le again so it's just another premium it's just another premium just another shit show it really is and yes in another year or two the 70th anniversary will probably be the rarest one just like when you get to lucy's for acdc those are the rarest ones you know but still is it worth it is it worth you know pissing off your customer base no it's not it's a very small base don't piss it off or how would you feel if you were a costco member and you bought your pinball machine at stern and you found out at costco i could have got this a thousand dollars cheaper how would you feel about that uh whoops whoops i'd be fucking pissed but you're always pissed bruce so i'm not always pissed i was happy at steel panther uh yes he was so he was singing along relaxing with my beer but yeah what do you think about this five thousand to six thousand dollar cash grab again and to trying to sell in different markets that i don't i don't see how it's any different than all the other attempts they've tried exactly i mean they did the costco thing before they've tried this multiple times and it's never worked never it's too expensive yep it's still five thousand dollars exactly and most average person is going to still think that's way too much for a pinball machine yep that's just the way it is yep people going to Costco are trying to save money, not spending $6,000 on a pinball or $5,000 plus the tax on it for a pinball machine.
    20:16
    They'd rather buy a full furniture set, a TV, some extra recliners, and not have a towel rack later on in five months. A towel rack? Yeah, because it's just going to be sitting in the corner and all your laundry is going to be sitting on it. Oh, okay. I get it. That's your stern $6,000 game eventually.
    20:39
    Okay. Just stop. You're not going to get in the mainstream this way. How do you get in the mainstream with this? You don't. The most mainstream it ever was, pinball, was probably the 70s. No. You can do it. No. What they need to do. No. Yes. No. And I said it from when Family Guy first came out. All right. What'd you say, Peter? I said, when Family Guy first came out in 2007 or 2006 or whatever. Yeah. What they should have done, the box sets were just coming out at that time. You should have put a fucking flyer or something in that, on every box set. Oh, the DVD box sets? Exactly. Because DVDs are so popular now, Bruce. Back then they were. That's true. They were. And so if you actually put a flyer in there and said, hey, even if you got 1% of 1 million sales of the DVDs that they had, that's a lot of sales. And some of these people who collect Family Guy and all this other stuff, they don't really hit this market too well. They're starting to at Comic-Con. I will give them that. Oh, yes. That's right. We've been at Comic-Con the last many years, Bruce. Yes. Has it made sales? I'm assuming it has because they wouldn't do it if they didn't get the feedback. Next to the Beavis and Butthead booth and, well, yeah. And we know what happened. Fail. God damn it. It's going to be an Aussie pin. Remember? It's going to be an Aussie. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Aussie was going to be. McFarlane's doing it. It's going to be Aussie. That's what it was going to be, Venom. And then it's going to have Aussie music. Oh, my God. I was like, no, you dumbasses. And who went with Venom?
    22:15
    Well, they did eventually do Venom. Who went with Venom? Yes, you were right, Bruce. You were right at the time. Out of the two of us, who went with Venom? You were right at the time, Bruce, yes.
    22:24
    I picked Bond. James Bond. James Bondage. That took a long time to get done. Still not great. But yeah, so, you know, the way they need to do it is really hit when you have, like, right now coming out, you know, you had a Venom out. There's a lot of people who follow Venom and follow Marvel and that kind of stuff. You got to hit it. You know, John Wick, you should have got Keanu Reeves instead of going, hey, what's that in the corner? Oh, man, I never knew. How did you get all this stuff? He should have been involved from day one. Probably couldn't get to him. Well, guess what? Then you need to hire people who can. Or you just talk to him while he's there. It's like, hey, would you like to do some call outs for this? You know, we like to call us. Would you like a free game? Would you like let's get a partnership? You know what they probably did? Oh, we got him on video playing it. Great, man. let's put it to our page excellent man there you go see you later thank you ano okay are they you're not billing 10 it's a pinball machine whoa it's just like come on the only one that's really gotten it well is jjp when they did the guns and roses stuff uh yeah that video and everything didn't get it when they did pirates no no pirates was terrible and you know as far as getting you know assets yeah exactly and guns and godfather was terrible and you know elton john's better elton john's better godfather i mean they they weren't going to get any call outs no they weren't going to call us but they they got all the movie clips what was wrong with that still didn't they still didn't hit the right nerve they hit the right nerve right nerve yeah elton john is actually in elton John. Exactly. He he they got him to participate and try to push this to guess what to make more sales. Hey, what a novel idea. I know some of these licensors don't want to do that. And guess what? Maybe that's when you say pump the brakes. I can't have guns in John Wick. Why would I have John Wick? Maybe you say that a little bit, even though I know most people don't give a shit, but some people do you got to think along the whole thing the whole thing the whole kit and caboodle since you mentioned elton john elton john i made a little reminder for myself and as of right now uh what day is this this is august 27th 2024 yes this is still year of our lord this is still wrong. So on Jersey Jack YouTube they had this video on here for three weeks now Three whole weeks I kind of figured someone would have fixed this at some point but they still haven It's basically a promo. It's a hit. Celebrating the success of Elton John Pinball. Yes, it's been a good success for us. And it's actually a nice video. It has all these other content creators. Who did the video? Was it JJP? Yeah, JJP. This is their YouTube. and they use clips from other people's streams and stuff, saying how much they love it and all that stuff. Is yours on there? No. Oh, okay. But, dick. Yeah, why isn't mine on there? But they're showing you. What the fuck? My famous designer, Steve Ritchie, and they show a picture of him in front of the game. Nice. And his name is spelled wrong. Oh.
    25:49
    Now, it's correct in the description of the video. Steve Ritchie's last name is R-I-T-C-H-I-E. In the video, it is R-I-C-H-I-E. Ritchie. Guys, fix the video because don't let Steve see that because he'll be pissed. I know this because in the first expo I ever went to in 2004, I brought something for him to sign. Specifically, I made a custom. Oh, yes, sir. You spelled this wrong. Yeah, I made a custom card for my Black Knight. And I spelled his name wrong in the same way. R-I-C-H-I-E. And he's like, just so you know, he spelled my name wrong.
    26:30
    Dumbass. Well, he didn't say that, but yeah. That's why it's always in my head. I'm hypersensitive to when his name is spelled wrong. Just like when your name is spelled wrong. Well, my name is always spelled wrong, but yeah. So is mine.
    26:42
    Really? Nightingale? Did they forget the G? No. Oh. They go E-N. Nightingale. Ah. Nightingale. But Jersey Jack, I love Elton John, and Steve Ritchie deserves to have his name spelled right. Name right.
    27:01
    It's funny because it's correct in the description for the video, but in the actual video itself, in the graphic, it is wrong. Hey. Whoopsie. It's around 20 to – actually around 20 seconds into the video if anyone wants to see it. We'll see if anyone listens to us. If it's fixed, then we'll know. That's all us. We finally get a win. Yep. Because we're big influencers. Most people don't realize this. Did you see how we influenced again? Did you see how once again one of our guests end up working for a pinball company? Did you see this? No. You did not see this. No. Bruce doesn't really follow the news. So Blues Brothers. Oh. Right? Blues Brothers is going to be the open source game, et cetera. It's going to be coming out soon, Bruce. the base open source code is going to be done or is being done by dick hamill do you remember dick hamill we had on our show yep he was doing he was doing different rules for a lot of our favorite stern games etc uh he is going to be doing this this game he gets a free game oh no No, no, please just pay me in cash. Oh, man.
    28:24
    I already have a star, sir. No, no, thank you. No, thank you. Once again, once you're on our show, boom. You're famous. You're going to be hired by a pinball company if you want to be. It's just the way it is. Now, hold on. Now, will he have a mode where you can actually put, like, flipper code in? You can play classic stars?
    28:46
    it's literally stars. I'm looking at stars with, uh, with a little bit of, uh, what's it called? A stargazer. But it has, yeah, it's stars. I'm just, it's stars with a little bit of stargazer on top. Some more, some more pictures of it.
    29:07
    This will have nothing to do with the movie. Yes. Now, hold on. Does Carrie Fisher get another movie thing now? No, remember, she's in the movie. Yeah, exactly. But this isn't based off the movie, so I doubt she's in it. Sorry.
    29:30
    See, I'm going through all my stories. Oh, and DPX. Yes, Dual Penetration Extreme. Send out some pictures. A Dutch pinball exclusive. More than pictures, Bruce. a couple hours before we started recording, they put a video on their Facebook of the, it looks like the ball saver I'm looking at right now, the ball saver on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.
    29:59
    I got to make sure I say it correctly. How many times does Alice get fucked up on the mushrooms? Oh, Jesus.
    30:08
    And it's got mirror blades, it looks like this game's going to have. Because it's extreme. The plans look very cool. I mean. Extreme. Yes, it's very. It's not cool. It's extreme.
    30:22
    It's a 90s game. We'll see. Yeah, they're trying to get that ready for Expo. Yeah, we'll see. So hopefully it works.
    30:32
    We're at code .40. Oh, God. No, .04. Yeah, .04. We can flap the walls around, boys and girls. Who's giving us 15 grand? Come on, right now. How much do you think you're going to start off with on this game? I'm thinking $20,000, minimum. Have they gotten the prices out yet? Nope. No. So you're saying $20,000? $20,000. They're only supposed to make, what, $50,000, $100,000, something like that? Who knows? They could change their mind. They said it was supposed to be limited. That's the exclusive part, Bruce. Of the extreme. It's Dutch Pinball exclusive, or as we call it, dual penetration. I'll go with you on that. Sure. Why not? And we're probably under. Probably going to be 25. Oh, God. No, JJP is going to save that for Harry Potter.
    31:22
    Harry Pothead. Watch him smoke up. Wow. Yeah. It's just – wait a sec. You have somebody complaining that Stern can't sell enough, supposedly, but its distributors can't sell $7,000 to $8,000 games. And now we have another company that's got to bring out a $20,000 to $25,000 game for 50 to 100 people. From John fucking Papaduke. John fucking Papaduke and the people who couldn't get games out to people until 10 years later. Yeah, a decade to get their one game they made out. Yeah. I mean, I know it's supposed to be an offshoot. It's not Dutch pinball, but it is. And then there was another thing I saw that people were – somebody was like, you shouldn't buy pinball machines from places pre-ordering and doing this. But maybe you should have – what was the one company he said? The one in – Oh, you're still on this here. No, it's from Florida. And he's like, oh, yeah, they should buy from them though because – Is that the ones doing – is that Tote Bob? Something like that. It's not Tote Bob. It's the fun is in Texas, Bruce. Okay. Well, some company, they're like, oh, yeah, you should buy from them because that's fine. I'm like, wait a sec because on top you're saying don't do this. But since I'm doing this, you should listen to me. No. Save your fucking money. if you miss out you miss out that's it don't give anybody a red cent until you go first go through a distributor let them take the hit i just found out today there's secret boat secret uh all secret stuff for uh barry o that's pretty cool it's a throwback to all of his old games at barry o games oh he was talking about it the barbecue game steve was talking about yes that's pretty cool i like What do you think of the rumor that they are not going to be unveiling Cuphead at Expo and they're holding off?
    33:12
    Do you think that's a good idea? Well, first, Cuphead, bad idea. Second, you better do something because you haven't put out – Barry O was a filler game. so you know you better put out something because the last game you put out really big was what was it uh gt uh galactic tank force no yes yes gta yeah and that was what over a year and a half ago maybe two years ago that was a while ago it was a while ago and you put the filler in for barrio which is not selling i don't think too hot so it was more of a it's like a tribute game it's It's a tribute game, but you're still not selling it. Guess what? What's the number one rule of a pinball manufacturer? Cash grab! Well, it's to keep the factory moving, Bruce. Keep the factory moving, which they did with Barry O. But if you're not selling that – They're still making Hot Wheels and other – they're older games too. I don't know how they're – I can see selling Hot Wheels, but I can't see them – I don't know how anybody is buying a new Houdini.
    34:18
    It's funny how you have the company that can make games, but they can't seem to get the licenses or the titles it's so crazy it is nutty and then other ones get like killer titles or good titles and then they just don't make it that's where haggis failed they should have had somebody else make the games they market it and do everything else oh yeah and then you do it that way and we were we said this last episode they had on the pinball show zach from flipping out said he lost 61k yeah hey cash oh fuck there goes my cash loss you lose 61 000 do not pass go do not collect anything get butt raped now Oh, God.
    35:11
    Bye, kangaroo. Yeah, bye, kangaroo. Hey, mate. Good day. Oh, man. If you notice, we haven't heard much about Haggis lately except for that documentary, which is – it was good. The first episode was pretty good. The second one – I haven't seen either. You've got to see it. Oh, I've actually watched something that you have not watched. Yes, yes. Holy fuck. The documentary, he's sitting there like pondering and trying to like – has kind of died out and on pin side it's nothing about it anymore really other than there's like another australian company that's making a game did you see that i did they're going to be making some race car or race yeah race car like a road rally guy yeah then you have wayne from um pinball mr pinball australia who goes on there and said yeah they don't have the rights to that and they're making the game it's like okay is he is that true that seems kind of wrong it could be a public domain though you don't know yet you don't know how the laws are in australia either right so we don't know this but guess what wayne when you fucking make a game well remember he said you shouldn't make you can't make games in australia that's what he said guess what didn't he want to didn't he make all the parts for this didn't he sell it and it didn't work out so maybe that's Well, if he says you, you can't because he was going to do it. Well, no, you can if you make a popular game. If he actually did go through medieval madness, he would have made money. If he made money, yes, yes. But the thing is, it's just – You can't go with off names and off brands. Getting the parts and everything there, it's just too hard. Crikey, it's hard. Shh. Oh, fucking Wayne. Go back on your soapbox and fucking – Wow. 20 years ago, you were yammering about how I can make pinball machines. You didn't do shit. I just remember when I got into the hobby in 2004, Gene Cunningham owned the rights to all the Williams stuff. Yes, and he owned all the Bally. No, he owned both. He was doing both at the time. This is before Wayne. This is right before Wayne. And everyone was pissed at Gene because he was like, he never makes any parts. We can't get the parts we want. We can't get this. And then Wayne bought in and became – and I think he still uses Mr. Bally or Bally pinball or something as his thing. And it's like, everyone's like, oh, now this guy's going to make the parts. This guy's going to do it. Yeah. There was something, there could be a whole show on just the whole parts thing. Because remember there was then, then Gene, what did he, he teamed up with, it was James Laughlin at Pinball Inc. And then it was what, Phoenix Arcade, I think, that were going to, they were going to be the ultimate. You're going to have the ramps, you're going to have the parts, and you're going to have the artwork. and they immediately didn't get along broke up and then james went after gene for because he wasn't supposed to sell and oh it was it was like there's so much drama you could make a you could probably make an interesting show you can yes i remember being at wasn't it the rochester pinball show it was one of them where james was taking pictures of gene's booth because he was selling stuff he wasn't supposed to be and all this other stuff oh it was just and i remember had gene pushing kingpin kingpin now too we're like no you're not you barely well he got bankrupted making the other one yeah yeah and he was just using parts that he had he wasn't making one thing see this whole drama would be a great episode of the silver ball chronicles it would be but that show sucks the other the other podcasts i bought which could be listen which can be heard on the pinball network only good guy and there's dennis oh hey dennis david dennis the other host the main host i'm more of a co-host on that see i'll accept my co-host role wow okay uh let's see what else do i got here tournament stuff we can go tournaments we don't have tournaments we can go over some tournament stuff and well first we should tell everybody about stomp stop stop the one that's already filled it's it's it's overfilled it is at 51 people people want to play and guess what ron you can tell all the people the bad news it's 40 sorry it's 40 we are not increasing at the 48 no that would be like to me it's it's like what the sanctum does they make it 100 for the 24 hour they have like 200 people want to play in that thing. But if you had 200 people playing it, it would be so bad. Oh, it would be.
    39:41
    Just sometimes hard decisions have to be made. And they need to plan out better for next year for Stomp 7 West.
    39:50
    Yeah, because that's the big stomp. That's the big stomp. I'm thinking more along the lines now, like, mine's the original stomp. Your original stomp. But it's the smaller. It's like mini stomp now. Yes. But we like to keep it small, but if you want the big one, that's Stop West. Yes. Where the Nationals will be this year. Holy shit, really? Yes. Oh, my God. Amazing. Come play the games you can play in Nationals. Papa's coming up. Yes, it is. What, a week?
    40:21
    No, well, it is, yeah, a week. It's the 5th through the 8th, 7th, whatever. Yeah. That weekend it will be in Chicago.
    40:30
    Chicago. Check it out. If you're in the area, go there. You'll love it. It's like they're doing some crazy thing where half the people make the playoffs or something. I don't know how long. I think it's going to go long. Way long. But we'll see. I have 17 buys. What do I do for the next 27 days? 17 buys. Yes, Escher. Okay, you have 17 buys.
    40:54
    I'm not going to make my flight back to Australia. Oh, God. so many buys wait wait till you see the frosting on this one when we do it with the ice man the ice man frosted uh it's 27 hours i'm waiting for this guy to come up and play uh but yes uh the tournament this was i think it was last week or the week before it was kind of the end of an era at district 82 yes they hold their uh their big summer slam yep the series at tournaments over the course of like four days yes yes um but the numbers kept on going down and down yeah they used to i mean they used to max out like 150 people yes 150 people they had like i think 63 63 on this one um and i guess they are now going to go with the new model yeah they're going to go with our model i think it's just you know open four days open more often yeah they're gonna stop doing those i mean um tom tom graff of triple jane podcast he was always streamed and and fox city pinball he's streaming fox city says he's taking his streaming stuff out of there so he's gonna be just streaming other stuff yep other tournaments and other locations it's sad don't get me wrong but guess what you have to survive too don't forget and yeah he's got to do what he's got to do i mean i'll have to say as as somebody who played in 151 and then played at the last one that I went to, which was way less, it was way more comfortable. Oh, yeah, totally. The other one. Actually, I had more fun at the second one just because it wasn't nearly as just completely mobbed. But if you look at, you know, don't get me wrong, I love what they do there. I love that they get all these people there and they put a lot of time and effort into it. But it was a lot of money to go there. It's not like it's a very easy spot to get to. And doing it four times a year, people got burnt out on it. And maybe Tim's video did this. You know, maybe he brought Tim Sexton's video. It didn't do shit for this. It's just people got burnt out.
    42:58
    Hey, Tim, we got seven bathrooms in our area, so we're good. We got we got four. The funny thing, Tim's video. I mean, the one part was a direct shot. Oh, it was. It was a fucking bow. The on a farm, the port-a-potty thing. Yeah.
    43:13
    Yeah. So that was kind of a dick move. But guess what? Tim went to it as much as he could in the beginning until he got a girlfriend. And he stopped. Oh, that's the reason? Okay. I think so, because she went to, like, one of them or two with him. And she probably went, why the fuck are we here with all these losers? Yeah, you're right, dear. Well, Tim has inspired me to grow my mustache now. Yes, I've seen that. I want to show him how to correctly rock the caterpillar. Yes, I rock the caterpillar. Yep. But, yeah, it's just, you know, I feel bad for him, but I think this is going to be a better financial move for him because depending on, you know, having 100, you know, because don't forget, he got about $120 per person. So instead of getting $6,000, you know, he got $6,000 before he was getting probably almost $18,000. And you think, hey, if I can do this every time, I'll just have a couple of big tournaments.
    44:08
    Well, you know. Well, there's payouts, Bruce. It wasn't like he was getting it. No, no. It was $3.50 to pay. $1.20 went to him, and $2.30 went to the prizes and everything else. He laid it all out in his things because it was admission and putting material towards the games that broke. So he was making literally $18,000, not including soda sales and that kind of stuff either and that kind of stuff. But he was making good money in the beginning. And don't forget, it was after COVID. People wanted to get out and do shit, and it was great. to be fair i think the soda was like a buck and it was like it was like an honor system i love the place i think the place is really well done they do a great job there problem is it's a green bay there's a great following there and you have chicago which is two hours south but the weather is very unreliable you don't want to go in the winter there because it's really fucking sucks there you have green bay right down the road which they said you know football games killed them sometimes. Well, yeah, they can't have it on a weekend where there's a Green Bay game. Yeah, they ruined fucking NYPCP, you know.
    45:20
    NYPCP? What the hell? Jesus Christ. New York City pinball tournament, whatever, you know, they ruined that, you know. I like how Tom went back and forth with Levy on that one. Again, stuff that people have no idea what we're talking about unless they're on Pinside. Yes, yes. I mean, just to put it out there, And full disclosure, if the listeners remember, the stop west was going to be another date. Yes, May 17th. And then we almost immediately changed it. Yes. Because we were contacting it, so like, no, we're looking at that date for the New York City Pinball Championship. So we moved it. Yeah. And you see what happened. I would assume they just can't get stuff at a good price or the availability is not there or probably both. I mean, because I have to figure it's not happening at this point. No, no, not this year. Just because they wouldn't be able to announce it soon enough. Who knows about next year?
    46:17
    I don't know how far in advance they have to do these things and stuff, but I know getting the games was always an issue. Games are a big issue. Location. I wonder what happened. Like that hotel they were at the first two years seemed fine. Maybe they just went way up and it's just like, oh, can't do it there anymore. I don't know. New York City is the most expensive place to run anything and it's the hardest part to get games into and out of so who wants to bring a game all the way down and get nothing really for it except for an entry no it's not worth it so you always have that problem and guess what it could be a boom kind of tournament greatest tournament going you still gotta get games there That is true.
    47:08
    Boom! Okay, Bruce. Oh, boy. But yeah, District 82, they're going to be open more often. Which is going to be great for them, I think. Check them out. Yeah, District 82, support your locations.
    47:24
    Let's see. Oh, as far as who won all the summers, they had so many tournaments. I don't remember who won. I'm sorry. Oh, God. Yeah. I have failed. Failed again. They have multiple events and multiple winners. Check out their webpage. They're probably on Facebook if you go to District A, too. I'm sure they have all the winners on there. So congratulations to all you winners.
    47:48
    Weenors. All winners. Everyone's a weenor. Uh-huh. Well, fresher in my brain, because they just had it, was the Northwest Pinball Championships just occurred. Yes, they were. So I got to watch...
    48:02
    Raven! The longest game of Gold Wings ever. Did this Gold Wings have the horn? Yeah, I didn't hear the horn. I didn't hear the siren. That's bad, then. That's a fail. Jeez. Why even have it?
    48:18
    Okay, have you ever – I've never played one with it hooked up. When does it actually go off? When you're going for certain shots, it does go off. It goes – They're like, holy fuck. If you saw the longest game ever, you probably would have heard it.
    48:36
    Yeah. And you see, the thing is, I'm watching this, right? And this, here I go again. Here I go again on my own. This is why I just can't see the tournament pinball thing ever being this huge thing to watch from a spectator point of view. If you turn this on, you're watching someone play Gold Wings, right? and you're seeing gold wings play at the absolute highest level it has ever been played on stream i'm filmed ever ever i think extra life golf had like 40 million and um jason zeller had like 20 million on this thing it was just endless two ball multi-ball but if i'm a if i'm a newbie if i've never watched pinball if i turn this on I would have gotten bored. Oh, yeah. You have to do what they did at Stern, is editing the tournaments. You can't have them live. Yeah, even – you can't show it as a highlight. I mean it worked for poker.
    49:38
    Yeah, it worked for head-to-head also. But it worked for poker – Or head-to-head even too. It worked for – even head-to-head. It worked for poker for a limited time. Even the head-to-head. Here's the issue. Here's the issue pinball always has. if i turn on like espn2 and they have like it's ocho and they have like okay ocho and they have like corn holing on literally you can explain this to me in 10 seconds yes that's like they're trying to hit it in this hole and anytime you watch it it the same play field surface It the same rules It the same thing Whether you watch that whether it darts whether it football baseball basketball it the same You watch pinball, every game is different.
    50:24
    Every game is different. You've got to explain every game. Every game is different. Even if you're doing the head-to-head challenge stuff, which is probably the most viewer-friendly, even that, it's like, okay, on this game, this challenge is this. You've got to hit this, this, this, this, and this and do this. But you've got to explain it. Like every time, every time, every challenge is different. Every game is different. The things that we like, like as a player, I love that every game is different. Every playfields are different. The variety, all that stuff. But from a spectator standpoint, that just doesn't work. It never has and it never will.
    51:04
    It's like I watched Street Fighter. Like Twitch has the Street Fighter tournament, right? I've actually never played Street Fighter. I know. I guess I'm old. But I'm watching this and there's like hundreds of thousands of people watching the stream.
    51:18
    Within literally 10 seconds, like, oh, okay, I get it. I mean, I see the health bar. The guys are fighting. The matches are short. It's like two out of three, and then the whole thing is two out of three or whatever. Boom, I got it. Right?
    51:33
    Pinball takes forever to explain. Oh, I totally agree. And each game has different rules and different shots and different everything else. I totally agree. What you need to do is literally before the people go on a game, you have to have what they used to do is have like a minute highlight. Here's what you do in this game. Here's what you do in this shot. This shot, this shot. This is what a player is going to go for in the beginning. And you go with that. that gives them a taste of what they're going to try to do with a pre-production video easiest way and guess what there's plenty of time to show the video in between some of these players so guess what you can show it again and again i was just watching some of the the cornholing and the one dude literally had like a beer in one hand as he's throwing the things with the other hand as another dude's got like his headphones on he's playing yeah and i'm like not a sport sorry Just like pinball is not a sport. Thank you. Oh, my. Congratulations, though, to all the players who played at the Northwest Pinball Championships. Who won?
    52:32
    Winners of the main tournament was won by Escher Lefkoff, Jason Zahler in second. Boy, that's becoming a trend now. Tim Hansen in third, and Luke DeHorniak in fourth. That was that.
    52:48
    Let's see. What else we had? Classics. Classics finals. We have the winner was Derek Thompson. I announced with him. That's right. Yeah, at InDisc. He runs, what is it, Yankpin. Escher in second, Jermaine in third. No. Yeah, in third and Bob Caldwell in fourth. women's finals we have mk walker in first followed by miss missilla wolf i am butchering these sunny williams or could be suny williams and um carrie hill and then they had high stakes this is the last one i promise the winner of high stakes was zach mccarthy followed by Raymond Davidson, Escher Lefkoff, and Luke DeHoria.
    53:49
    Get live updates to your news right away. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, we should read mail. Let's read mail. Mail? We have mail? People want to talk to us? They want to hear the top 100. No, no more. At least not two in a row.
    54:05
    There's enough negativity. Hey, stars moved up at least. Good. good uh let's see uh this is from bow hbd bruce is the subject it says you old fuck yes okay next one also from bow you can shit how much you want on pharaoh it is still the most beautiful one of them bi-level machines from that era even featuring that old man what's his name No, not Bruce or Ron, but Roger Sharp on the back class. Is that supposed to be Roger Sharp on the back class? I don't think it's supposed to be. He wasn't much of a player. If you would not think about gameplay, which I personally think is decent enough for a tournament setting, just look at that fantastic back class in play field. We need new code for Farrell, that's for sure. Yes. There's a lot of drop targets, a two-ball, multi-ball, and awesome Magna saves. Cobras.
    55:03
    Rah, rah, rah. I'd rather have my solar fire behind me. Let's see. This is from Darren. It says, hi, Ron and Bruce. Hello. Long-time listener, second-time emailer. Ooh, we get him back again. Yeah, now he's hooked. I haven't heard Bruce mention that Jeff Lynn's ELO over-and-over tour starts next month. It has already started now. They actually played their first show last week, last Sunday. My wife and I have never seen Yellow in concert, and we have good floor seats for the show in Cincinnati. Nice. The following show is closer to you and Ohio's version of The Mistake on the Lake. Wow. It is. Bruce had better be going, otherwise big fail. I'm going. Ah. I already got my hotel room for two nights. We're going to Cleveland. we're going to go to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the Saturday before the show and then we're going to the show and then we're going to party like it's 1999 the song list is fucking awesome I'm very happy I saw the whole actually saw the whole concert somebody recorded it and put it on YouTube alright is Jeff Lyn's hair real it can't be well I think so he's always had big bushy hair and it hasn't receded at all yeah or changed color or anything else Well, guess what? I would dye my hair if I was a long rocker, too. I still think that's got to be fake. Can't be. Oh, I didn't finish the email. Loved hearing Bruce riff on the California guy that rated classic sterns badly on the latest podcast. See, that's one for Bruce. Keep on trucking, and I hope to see you guys at another show. Signed, Darren. The guy that Bruce couldn't remember my name at Allentown two years ago. Fuck yeah. Hey, so we're so popular now with stars. How much do you think an estimated value of stars is on Pinturd? I don't know. $1,500.
    57:06
    $3,100 to $2,600. Yep. You've got to be on crack. Even I wouldn't pay that much. Come on. But that's for a 160-ranked game.
    57:17
    All right. Next one is from Hans. It's an arcade question. Oh, okay. Hi, guys. Love your podcast. And Ron, good meeting you at IFPA this year. I have a question for you, Bruce. You mentioned in the most recent episode that you once had an arcade and rented your games to it so that you could isolate these assets separate from the arcade biz. I'm preparing to open a pinball bar with a partner and I'm already an operator and have been thinking about the best way to place my games in it how did you determine the monthly rent for each game? did you do a split or flat rate? I appreciate any insights you can provide well since I didn't have a partner it was me and my wife so our money went to the same place I just rented them as cheap as I could and I didn't depreciate them because I was renting them to myself so the other company had to depreciate the original company since you have a partner what i would probably do is a 33 split to you 33 split to the other partner and then 33 back to repairs of everything that's probably the safest bet and then you can also have a kitty in the back side of it in case you have a repair money and that kind of stuff you can go from there or you do the 66 33 you know if you're if it's all your games you know and he's putting no games up guess what you're putting more assets into the place wait but 66 33 goes to 99 what happens that other percent the other percent you can just you know give it to somebody else or 66 34 or 67 33 but that's the three-way split i was talking about you hard making pinball harder but that's how i did it you know since it was me and my wife it was just keeping it so the assets did not go into the other companies. Since it's your company, you would probably have to pay your other partner, you know, a payout of what the games take in. And since he's not putting the games up or anything like that, you know, and, you know, maybe you'd do a 60-40, but, you know, I think you should get a little more. Some people want you to take like 75-25, which is on crack.
    59:33
    He's your partner. You got to be with him for a while. Don't piss him off right off the bat. next email is from jeff hi jeff he says hey guys actually he's got the guy from uh the goonies so i guess it's hey guys hey guys you never seen that movie have you uh yeah i seen goonies wow i saw that i saw that in the fucking theater wow you're that was the 80s that was like wow is that when you're 27 and you're like in your prime with your mustache 27 okay now you're 67 and you're freaking old and dilapidated let's see when that movie came out was 85 yep you were 27 i think it was like the summer so i would have been like 11 years old 27 yeah okay bruce now you're 67 by the way bruce i can hear you again what do you mean you can hear me well remember steel panther Oh, your ear's unclogged? Yeah. So I think I mentioned this on the podcast before. My right ear has a wax issue. Always has. I got to have it cleared out like every so many months. And even before we went to this concert, like the week before, I'm thinking, you know, I wonder if when I use the earplug, if it's going to screw up my right ear.
    60:59
    And it totally did. I took the earplug out when the concert was over, and it was like it was still in. couldn't hear a thing so just just finally got in and got it cleared out today bruce just in time for the podcast just in time for the podcast how did you do with death ball oh i actually put a note that i forgot death ball and i should need to mention it but since you just did it i just did it death ball yes um it was the reason why he was out in in rochester sorry jeff we'll get back to you in a second but uh yes i was i was out there playing and zach our zach's death ball at his new house new location new location does he have a name for his location now or is it just zach's house too he's not good with names look at his look at his homebrew we called it poker i know he's not very inventive with the names but hopefully he can come up with a cool name for his place i made it into b yay the funny thing is i was in the the b championship match and i actually thought it was like the semi-final oh it's a ladder format so i figured like uh whoever wins this actually goes to the final match not realizing it was actually the final match and i played mark from the co-op on godzilla and he took a big lead on me and then i was coming back on ball three and and then i i finished like 20 million short oh no but i was just like oh okay so who is he playing in the final it's like ron that was the final like oh oh oh no so this was this is how oblivious i am about a lot of stuff it's it's not an act unfortunately i wish you I didn't even go. No, you did not. I'm retiring. Retired, retired. The winner was Eric Russell, CNY. Eric Russell, CNY again. Again, 2-4. He wins again.
    62:47
    Russell's got muscle. Russell has the muscle. And he won a Stargate was the final game. Which is a good game. Deathball. It took a while, actually, to get through all the people. because he had to do everyone. It's like round robin. Everyone plays everyone. And it took a while to get through because some of the games were playing longer. I think if we took the moderns out, it definitely would have went faster. But, you know, you got to have some moderns in there. You can't get screwed over by EMs every time. Let's see. Oh, back to Jeff. His subject line is business model part two. I think he was the one who emailed us last episode asking about business model. Hence business model part two. He says, hey, guys, thanks for the info from my previous ball bag teabag. Definitely some good info to start, but I'm looking for a bit more juice. Oh, I think this is – he was going to have a place in Long Island. Was that – yeah, I think that was him. You mentioned a good agreement. Could you please expand upon that for me? Any details about insurance policy if needed? Well, let's start with the agreement. So I assume he means agreement with the landlord to your location. Well, what kind of things did you make sure were in the agreement? What's a good agreement, Bruce? Well, agreement, make sure it's a triple net lease, not a triple gross lease, which you are paying for everything. You want a triple net. You want to make sure if anything breaks into place, he fixes it, not you. That's the first thing you want to do.
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    Second thing, what else were those questions there? Any details about insurance policy? Oh, insurance. Yeah, so if you're having it under the original company, you have to have one insurance policy. If you have it under a different company like I did, you need two insurance policies and stating that it's at that location for so many games because you don't want – in case it's damaged. And what I did also for like every two or three months, I would take a video of all the games. I think he's talking about your co-op. Remember, he's going to do a co-op in Long Island. Are you talking about – but you sound like you're talking about Silver Ball Saloon. Well, I'm talking about both. But I also take a video every two months to show what games are on the floor in case, God forbid, there's a fire.
    65:03
    You can say, hey, look, I had video. These games are all working. That's the best thing to do, that kind of stuff. Agreements, we don't have really agreements because it's just the five owners. What we do is we have enough in the kitty, which is the checking account, to cover three months of rent and three months of expenses. That's minimum.
    65:30
    So if we have to put more money in, we will put more money in. Have we ever? No. Thank God. We have never had to. Even when we built the expansion, we didn't have to do that. When we get over a certain amount, which is $5,000 over the minimum, we split it up and make it a profit of $1,000 per person. And we've done that many times, which is good. So that kind of stuff we do for the agreement. Also agreements is if you're going to spend over $100, it's a four out of five vote. We have five owners. If it's anything under $100, you only need three out of five or you can just do it on your own. And then you go back and say, hey, guys, I spent, you know, I bought two weeks ago. I bought, you know, things you can hang on the wall to hold bolts, nuts, parts. And it was $20. I was like, OK, I got the $20 out of the back. Here we go. We're good to go. You pay me back. Everyone's like, OK, great. So that kind of stuff you got to think of. And you always have flowing rules. As I state, you know, I don't know how many people you're going to have in your club or, you know, how many people with five. It's, you know, it's hard, but you have to make sure you guys all get along. Do you always get along? No, of course not. That's just life.
    66:40
    You know, you kind of get. Especially with Bruce. You know, it's going to be a problem. I mean, yes, I'm an asshole. The only funny thing is I'm never an asshole to you. Am I? No, never. Yeah. Hey, fuck you.
    66:55
    But no, you got it. You know, you know, you got to know when you do your arguments and you're, you know, if you're always going to you're always going to be going in there with that. Oh, I'm going to fucking, you know, I'm going to make sure. You're making an argument where Bruce was the peacemaker. Yes. Believe it or not, this did happen. See, so it does happen. But you're always going to have that. So you just got to make sure you have an agreement where everyone brings in the same amount of games. You know, you can't have more than so many games. Once a month you come in there and you actually repair the games if you have multiple people. Like you pick a date. Hey, this date, fourth Wednesday, we all come in and work on shit. We all got to do this. We all got to clean machines. People who come in on Saturdays come in early, an early shift to clean machines or do repairs. Always constantly repairing. Don't be playing games. Don't be doing shit like that.
    67:46
    If we're repairing games in the back for customers, get them done ASAP. What we do in the back area for repairs, we're renting the spot, actually. So if I'm working on, say, I worked on a shack six months ago, I put 10 hours into it. I rent the spot from the RPC. So I rented 10 hours of location time at the RPC.
    68:11
    RPC gets part of that money as income and we get the rest for the parts and everything like that. And all I'm doing is renting the spot from RPC. That's it.
    68:21
    And that's how it gets the income from that. And then we report that and go from there. It's, it is a pain in the ass. Don't get me wrong. how much electricity would be needed when looking for a spot to rent oh more to better anything more what you want to do anything you can you want to have 20 amp circuits first thing any place has 15 amp circuits just you know that's wiring is not going to be enough for anything in there our first building the first section we did originally uh we only we had to add four 20 amp lines so we had to have them run from the the actual power box which was about 50 feet away ran new lines what i do is usually eight games per six to eight games depending on the age of 20 for 20 amps six is the best eight we do push on some sections of our place and of course we don't turn them all on at once because that causes issues we go around and flip each switch on and each switch off because then it's not a whole hit on that 20 amps when you're first powering up and surging up you're powering up one at a time it's giving a chance to power up and then go back down power up and go back down our new building we've got very lucky they had 480 volts all over the place in that thing because they had big industrial roof vents and we were able to split the lines and we didn't have to run any lines for that new section we had to run them but they were already up in the ceiling which is awesome last question any details about permits for charging for people to play remember i think he's going to be in long island so it's new york it's going to be you have to go by the town you have to go by the town ordinances so you find out about that before you do anything else go to the you know to the guy who uh your fire safety that kind of stuff on all the you know how many people you can have in there and your rules you know just go to the town and find out what they allow what they don't allow some towns do not allow arcades still some towns want to charge you 40 per game i don't care if it's all you know if you're walking in paying for it you're still collecting money on it so you got to find out the rules for each town and know them before you put all this money in investment in because you can screw yourself if If you have 40 games on location and you've got to pay $40, that's $1,600 you're already out on. Plus, you might have to screw those onto your game. Like in the city of Rochester, you have to screw a license on each game.
    71:03
    That's a lot of screwing. A lot of screwing, a lot of damaging your brand new game. And they cannot be removed. You just have to sticker over them. And if you change it, like say you have 40 games there and you've got to replace one and you bought a new game, guess what? You've got to pay that $40 again.
    71:20
    So find a location that doesn't have those rules. There's a lot into it. Next. Okay. Cash grab.
    71:31
    Very good, Bruce. All this information. Let's see. This is from Todd. He says, since I've been a fan for actually the subject line says fan since late 22. according to bruce i'm so old that must be 1922 right yes exactly when ron was just a young buck yes since i've been a fan for over a year and a half i have to say you've taken over as my favorite podcast god have mercy on your soul yes you should have mercy on your soul you should have mentioned the beast b winner in your last podcast that would be ron not saying that so uh I blame Ron and us always, like we always do for everything. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? None. Ayes have it. Chris Warren. Love Chris. Yeah, he's a listener. Maybe that's why. And Eric got second on that one. Oh, Eric Russell was second. Jared third. And Christina fourth. So there. There, I mentioned it. See?
    72:28
    Sometimes the back door is the only way in. More Steel Panther, ladies and gentlemen. My ball bag question hasn't changed since I started listening. Should all women's tournaments include a ball check? Oh, God. Wow. That's even worse for me. Yes. Wow. That's even more low than me. Love you guys and hope to visit the RPC if I can remember the address. I know. It's really hard. You'll have to look it up again. This is Todd of the Magic City Pinball League. And he says, go Phillies. You mean the team the Yankees beat in 2009? Yes. World Series? That team? For the last championship we've won in 15 years? Yeah. Yeah, we're getting – yeah, it's getting to the – We're so bad right now. We're almost into the – we're almost hitting the 79 – 80 through 84 years, 85 years – 95 years. You're almost – yeah, the 79 to 95, the longest streak that they didn't win a championship. Yeah, but we were in the World Series once, though, in the 81. Yeah, but that was a strike year. I know. But we were in it, though. Yeah, but – yeah, we lost, so. Yeah, I know. We lost. All right. Fernando.
    73:38
    Abba. Abbas. Yeah, they're making Abbas. They're making Abbas. Yes, this is from John Coss and Dr. John. Oh, Dr. John. Subject, happy, happy, joy, joy. Whoa. Hello, STD Ground Zero. Oh, boy. Wow. Thought I should add a rating to the podcast because you haven't had one for a year, but not sure whether I should publicize the friendly banter or not. I put together my favorite parts from the last episode for your reference. Oh, no. Shame the Twippies aren't still a thing, or you could use this as your sound grab that they wanted. Please stay off inside. Don't go outside. Don't buy a baseball bat, Dr. John.
    74:20
    Okay. That guy didn't need a baseball bat. He did include this. It's called Slam Tilt Rant. I'm scared to click on this. I would be, too. Here we go. So this would be our sizzle reel for the Twippies, if it was a thing. And nominated for Best Podcast. Slam Tilt Podcast with Bruce Nightingale and Ron Hallett Jr. And they would play this.
    74:45
    Game's on. God, it's fucking terrible. Like, Jesus Christ, Bruce. Come on. Who the fuck knows? You've got to take the whole fucking thing off. He's got a long history. You've got to take the whole fucking thing off. What's the fucking problem? Ron hates people. Yep, Ron hates people. You heard it here first, folks. we're assholes i love it yes you are you better watch out you better not cry you better pray for fucking sake you got that like your fucking line for everything you can always spread your stds yeah we say you super you a super spreader Hi I Mr Rogers I love kitties Yeah I guess so. Jesus Christ. Okay, what's a non-Williams game, for Christ's sake? This is why we never do Pinside, folks, because we just get pissed off. Holy shit! What? People are fucking stupid. Fuck you, Pinside. Now we have to read the fucking things. Fuck you, Pinside. well they all should be because there's a lot of fucking morons oh that's awful oh my fucking god people are fucking stupid came to be simple and fun and easy and now we're gonna fuck you people this is why pinside wow like holy shit that just like kicks you right in the fucking nuts oh oh fuck you with the nine ball you suck what the fuck no people are fucking stupid Yeah. How the fuck is Meteor 192? I can't fucking tell you. I'm going to read. And it sold a shit ton. That's fucking stupid. I agree. Ron needs to be able to sleep tonight. No. So we need to stop. I'm so angry about this. This is stupid. This is why I don't go to Pinside ratings. Oh, Pinside's fucking morons. It's like watching a fucking car crash. This guy is a fucking moron. Fucking pissed. Pissed, yes. Fucking Zip 77 is a fucking moron. Okay, Bruce. my outburst of fucking stupidity is just uh dealing with it yes okay this is why i don't go out in the world what the fuck is going on here holy shit i'm just seeing how stupid people fucking are i think we say the word fuck a lot i i don't usually swear that much i must have really been into uh i got you going didn't yeah with those ratings yeah damn well don't forget Legend of Valhalla is better than Stars, Meteor, Nineball. Just think of that one. No, I'm trying not to think of things like that. Or Avatar. Those games are all behind Avatar. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Dr. John. That would be probably the longest sizzle reel ever used. I love that sizzle reel. What's better, Avatar or Oktoberfest? Ooh.
    77:28
    Avatar. by three okay 104 i'll go 108 oh wait a minute we have another one from john costin again dr john subject pinball as a sport oh no oh no oh and i just went on i just went out on about this earlier hello again i keep thinking about whether pinball is or is not a sport isn't and i've come to a definitive conclusion. I was chatting to a top five player who was complaining that his shoulders and arms were fatigued after trying to win back-to-back tournaments. Oof. I feel sorry for Escher. Yeah, me too. Hi, Escher. I realize he does no physical training for events, just plays at a high level. Rising up, back on the street.
    78:17
    Took my time. You gotta get the eye of the tiger. To me, that is what constitutes a game versus a sport. If physical training is needed to compete in the event, it could be classified as a sport. If you could just turn up and play or compete without any physical training, endurance, strength, etc., then it is a game. I'll go with that. I'll go with that. In my interview with the same player on my podcast, he believed pinball could be considered a sport if the competitor treats it as one. This fits in with Ron's thoughts that if Ron could win an event with his physical attributes then pinball is not a sport exactly could we see a day where all players are buff no what more physical training give a player an advantage over a similarly skilled player yes tilting tilting and moving i would say more from a cardio standpoint and endurance in like some kind of insanely long i just drink red bulls 24 7 I think that's the only time I would say would give you an advantage.
    79:23
    Interesting. So because you're not buff, it's not a sport. It's not a sport. Although there's plenty of really out-of-shape pitchers in baseball I've seen through the years. Beefcake! Has anyone seen, remember, well, Bruce, you were of this era. You remember Sid Fernandez, right? Oh, God. Not exactly what I would call an athlete. The leading tower of Italian pizza. he was so huge he just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger alone look at cologne bartolo cologne his gut hanging out remember rick russell oh god yes he looked like he was 45 when he was 35 he's a bald big gut hanging out and he was starting the all-star game gay lord perry he didn't look like no physical no no all right this one's from rob hey rob he says hey bruce and Ron, love the podcast, and thanks to you guys, I've been hooked on classic Sterns. Oh, fuck yeah. Vote on them on the pin side. Make them better. I mistakenly sold my big game a few years ago along with Galaxy and Lightning. Okay, on the other two, you can sell those. I am not missing those two so much, but big game I should have kept. Agree completely. Anyhow, I've tried to redeem myself with what I have in my collection now. Well, let's see if it passes the test. meteor point 2000 trident i don't mind trident i don't mind okay and the best of the bunch stars oh well there you go i'm in the middle of a complete ground up restore up also i'll be converting a wildfire to a quicksilver that's a good idea when i'm done with stars very good idea both will have uh cruzman i'll actually be ron cruzman cleared playfield you can send me your wildfire play field though i'll use it oh my question for you two fine gentlemen is when watching stew mcvicker play quicksilver he was complaining about the right spinner and the ball rebounding off the pop then back to stop the spinners from spinning yes would it be wrong to add a one-way gate at the top by the star rollover to prevent the ball from heading back towards the spinner no it's the way it was designed that would be so you're saying that would be a problem no that would be a problem see i i would say yeah try that i would i would that would be a good idea i've only modified two games like that and both are both are needed for it and they are one is blackjack oh yeah okay you need to do it for the kick out hole there yeah you're screwed yeah second gametron okay what did you modify you well you you put the one-way gate on the thing so it doesn't kick oh back in over yes yes over and over yes i say for that same reason i have no problem with the one-way gate no i don't like it there because it's not a kick out guess what it's just the strength of your spin okay your glory or is uh yeah or is it not such an issue and stew is just being a whining bitch well he's a whining fuck he is a whining bitch fucking whining bitch pin side pd looks like a nice gentle easygoing guy compared to that but then he shows up and wins a tournament and leaves i hate that guy he's so annoying all right yeah we're still still going bruce we're still going yeah i think we're the only show that goes through our whole mailbag maybe that's not a good thing but i think it is because it shows how many people love us this is from our former guest tom he had his game is a little game that he gave us which we have a name for now because he just gave it to us this is hello fellas thank you for discussing my idea that I talked to Ron about at Pinnberg about how to make an older game a pro. I thought I would throw a few more titles at you to see what you would do to make it pro. Oh, wait a minute. Picard voice. Make it pro number one. See what I did there? Yes, I do. So how will we make these pros? So pretend these are the latest premiums from Stern.
    83:16
    Demolition Man. Oh, no handles. No crane. No handles and no crane. You take out the – yeah, not crane. That's not what it's called. The claw. I'm around you so much, I say the wrong things now. Yeah, see, it's perfect. Yes, the claw. No claw, no handles. Done. Yeah, that might be it. That's it. The rest of it is pretty simple. It actually doesn't have a ton of stuff. No. It's not as heavy as you would think it would be. And who cares about the stupid car? That's a $3 gift. Well, maybe we give them a different color eyeball. We don't put the eyeball in there unless it's a premium. Only the premiums get the eyeball. Yeah, you get just a regular plastic, a red-yellow rubber ball.
    84:00
    Okay, let's see. Creature from the Black Lagoon. No 3D underneath the lithograph. No window. Just remove the window and the hologram. We'll keep the cup spinning thing because it was used on Mustang Pro. What else, Ken? Remove the – does it have the lights around the ramp? Yes, it does. Like the chase lights or whatever. They're not LEDs. They're actually incandescents. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. We removed that. No lights on the ramps. Just like Tron had no lights or no EL wire. So we removed that. And make it one ball because it only had two balls in that thing for multi-ball. No, we don't want to give you a multi-ball. No, you get multi-ball, Bruce. Oh! No, yes, you do. Is there any drop targets we could remove? Nope. Nope, they're all stand-ups. Okay, so I think that's what we'll do with that.
    84:48
    World Cup soccer. No soccer ball, of course. No goalie. Just an open goal. The soccer ball there is there, but it's static. It doesn't move. The goalie will have move. We need at least the one-torn. No, you make a humongous kick, like a humongous pop bumper. That's your soccer ball. It's got a soccer graphics on the top. It all does is kick. Humongous plunger. The biggest coil ever. It just kicks. Or we just literally, we use the same soccer ball. We just have no motor, and it doesn't do anything. No magnets. No magnets at all. So no magnets for the lock, no magnets for the front. We'll take the MagnaSafe thing out that no one ever uses anyway or even knows it's there. Yep, and you use a gate to put the lock in. Or you just do a virtual lock.
    85:32
    Yeah, yeah. We do a virtual. We change that ramp so it doesn't have the section that goes off and puts it in. How are you going to do that, though? Because you've got to lock it to shoot the scoop. No, you don't. When you're playing a multiplayer game, you don't have to.
    85:46
    Yeah, you do. No, you don't. It feeds it to you, but are you saying it'll lock the ball and then just feed it to you to immediately hit the scoop? Yep, feeds it right through. That would feel weird. I say I can keep that part. How can we make the ramps? Make some of the ramps. Oh, they're so curvy. And I don't think you can make them just steel ramps either. No, steel would be more. Plastic's the cheap way. Yeah. They did it right. That's all. We're good. Okay. So there you go. We made it pro. Make it pro number one. If you want us to make anything pro, you can send it to slamtailpodcast at gmail.com. And if you agree or disagree with us, tell us why. Exactly. Because we're not always right. 99.9. We're like ivory soap. Oh, this is one of our DPX STDs, Cole. Oh, my. Hey, Cole. General thoughts. Uh-oh. Hey there, dynamic duo. Okay, who's Batman and who's Robin? Oh, you're fucking Robin, bitch. Oh.
    86:43
    Holy hallucinations, Batman. I'll let you two fight over who is wearing the Dick Grayson pedophile-loving outfit from the 60s show. That is definitely Ron. You know, the one Mr. Rogers liked. Oh, come on. And all of Ron's hair popping out. It'll be awesome.
    87:04
    The one Mr. Rogers liked. Why do people hate Mr. Rogers all of a sudden? Don't make fun of Mr. Rogers. He's a fucking creepy guy. He's not creepy at all.
    87:15
    I want to be his neighbor. Yeah, he wanted to be his neighbor, so he's peeking at you. Yes, Bruce and I are going to hell for that one. Yes, you sure are. Fuck yeah. Let's see. As for your Zach, our Zach's opinions on machines, who could take him seriously? I mean, come on. Elwynn's Iron Maiden is not a good game, while the Dwight Sullivan, Steve Ritchie shit show called Star Wars is one of the best machines. I know. I agree, totally. Does he also think Thunder Turds or Halloween is an underrated game? Actually, he doesn't like Halloween. No, he hates Halloween. Escher should argue with him why it is a crap game and set him straight. Him saying Iron Maiden is not good is like saying Houdini is better than Starz. By the way, loved Bruce ranting about the ratings of Starz. Hold on. Another one that's two. And we had people on Facebook saying it too. All of you are correct in that all ten of the people we have on Facebook. All of you are correct in that a lot of games rated above it on Pinside is a joke. That is why my belief is that people are stupid is confirmed.
    88:20
    Okay. Ron, don't let Bruce beat you down about your other pinball podcast, The Silver Ball Chronicles, which can be found on the Pinball Network. He wrote that. That's number two. He wrote that. It doesn't even count because he wrote it. He had his chance to be on it and passed it up. I don't know. I never got the chance. He never asked me.
    88:42
    He never asked me. I thought he asked you. No, he never asked me. He thought about asking me, but I had the bar and everything else. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes, he never asked me. He just went right, skipped right over me and went right to Ron. So guess what? Fuck y'all. I'm right again. Okay. Although now he doesn't have to worry about giving up his Patreon money. Yeah, I know. Which I know he loves. I don't. Wait a sec. Seven years. Seven years, chief. He's giving his Patreon money to his TPN boss to pay for the haggis the pock. Oh, wow.
    89:17
    I'm just kidding. I hope nobody takes that seriously. 61, 62,000. Here's an extra thousand because you lost so much money. What a shit show and feel bad for everyone involved that lost money except the owner. Let's see. As for Bruce complaining or no, as for Bruce, I'm just so used to you complaining. Wow. As for Bruce commentating on pinball streams, all I can say is thank God the FCC doesn't regulate it like television or else these streamers would be toast. Even still, they may be toast anyways letting him commentate. I agree. It is definitely letting the lunatics run the asylum. Woo-hoo! I guess they get what they paid for, which is nothing. But sick people like me love it. At Pinberg, at least he would have had called it Barra Cora as just watching people get two-ball, multi-ball all day is lame. Oh, Boring Cora. That's about as exciting as watching tournament players chat all day on that piece of shit Pulp Fiction. How exciting. Wow. Yeah, I've seen that lately. Enough old man rant. Love the awesome shows you guys do and look forward to every one of them. One of your DPX STDs, Cole. thank you cole thank you cole thank you everyone for popping in some mailbag all right we done last one this is from rob bruce was right is the subject line oh dear god fuck yes what's like done done this the show is not going to be stale panther it's going to be bruce is right that's the title of this fucking show just no it's going to be he's on the rag i think it's I'm on the rag!
    90:57
    Guys, as we all learned in great detail about the Haggis failure, it makes me remember something. While everyone was loving the beauty and details of Fathom, it seemed like Bruce was the one person complaining.
    91:10
    Fathom was in the RPC and Bruce said it constantly needed work, that it was down more than up, and on and on. Most of us, me included, wrote it off as the RPC machine getting lots of plays or being unlucky or getting an early one. Or perhaps Bruce just being Bruce. But we were all wrong and Bruce was right.
    91:32
    Note to self, if Bruce is bitching, we should be twitching. I like that. Yeah. So new title is Bruce is right. I love this. Bruce is right. Yeah, Bruce is right. All right. That's all I got. Wow. That's all for the mall, but I thank you, Ron, who do write in. That's actually fucking awesome. It actually makes me smile that we get so much reaction. Yeah, it makes us able to have an episode when there's not that much to talk about. Yeah. Okay, Ron.
    92:09
    What's the better game, according to Pinside? Oh, God. Here we go again. Black Knight 2000. Uh-huh. Or Johnny Mnemonic. Ooh.
    92:19
    I would say Johnny Mnemonic. Ah! Oh. 102 to 115. It's close. It's almost the same amount of ratings, too, and it lost by 0.1.
    92:33
    Okay, so, Ron, Johnny Mnemonic or Dirty Harry? Stop. Ooh, Johnny Mnemonic or Dirty Harry. I have both, so. I know. Or, wait a second, I'm going to give you a three-peat. Johnny Mnemonic, Dirty Harry, or Demolition Man? Oh, Demolition Man. Okay, so you're saying that's one. No, that's... What's number two? You want me, my ratings, or what I think Pinstock is going to say? What do you think the people have said? Oh, what I think people are going to say. What are they again? Johnny Mnemonic, Dirty Harry, Demolition Man. Johnny Mnemonic, followed by Dirty Harry, followed by Demoman. You're exactly right. That's how stupid the people are.
    93:10
    Demoman. I love Demoman. And that's 122 compared to 121 and 115. Okay. Enough. No. Yes. Enough. People are stupid. Okay. Yes, they are. That's all I got, Bruce.
    93:29
    This has been episode 234 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Bruce is right. Okay. I'll call it Bruce is right just for you. Fuck yeah. Well, the question is, that sounds like a title we would have used before, though. but you know how you can tell how can you tell rod you go to www.slamtiltpodcast.com like i'm doing right now and you just search for bruce is right in our handy dandy search field you will be able to see if i ever use that i guarantee you never used it you don't believe in it we have never used that as a title it took ron 233 episodes to finally agree with me on a title And right next to that handy-dandy search button is all our other links. Twitter, we're on there, believe it or not. Facebook, Instagram, which we haven't posted to forever. All our links. Twitch, YouTube. I wonder if John did put a review for us like he said he was going to. I think he did like a star rating or something. Ah, okay. But, yeah, did I go over? Did I do my plugs? Oh, yeah, I plugged the site. Again, our email address, slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. hello to everyone in our cluster, Vuck. One of them may be visiting Level Zero. Ooh, who's that? I can't say for now. We'll see. I know who. Because I may be going to the UK Open, and I might be leaving right when he comes into Albany. So don't forget, guys, when you see him in the UK, give him a nice hearty English hug. Oh, God.
    95:09
    Bloody hell. Bloody hell, you wankers. No, that's not. They're not Australian. They're British. They are. They are, because originally they were convicts in England, and they were shipped there. So guess what? They're all English. Oh, God. Am I right or wrong? Okay, Bruce. Yeah, right again. Bruce is right. Don't forget the title. Hi, everyone in the Clusterbuck. Hi, Zach. Hi, Steve. Steve, fun with bonus. Pinball Princess. Hi, everybody in the Clusterbuck. Yes. Do you have a name, Bruce? I do have a name. Of course I have a name. I'm fucking professional because you know why? Bruce is always right. Oh, God. Yes, you're going to get us in trouble this episode. Fuck yeah. I can't control it, folks. And the views expressed by Bruce Nightingale may not be the same ones expressed by Ron Allen. Let me just say that. Or Slamdell Podcast. Yeah, or Slamdell Podcast. So please don't be mad at me. I would be mad at Ron because he's the one that picked me. You were my only choice. Oh, wow. There literally was no. No, it was like, I can do this with Bruce. There was no other. Seven years you've been doing this. Is it seven? I think it's seven, isn't it? No, it's eight, you butthole. Holy shit, it's eight? It's eight. It's 2016. We started this summer of 2016. Eight years of non-stop action with only one hiatus where I quit for a while. Yeah, Ron was burnt. I was burnt out. Because he doesn't even edit. it well no i still edit but i'm not burned out because we're not doing weekly that was so and especially now yeah especially now we wouldn't have anything to talk about hi this week um i touched myself when i woke up and i thought of pinball so it's pinball related yes okay bruce uh thanks everybody say goodbye bruce goodbye Kyle Kendall.
    97:34
    We'll be right back. Oh my How do I – it's been a while since I did this. Oh, wow. Don't tell me that. That sounds like a personal thing you want to keep to yourself. Shut up, you pervert.
    98:50
    I just figured it out. See what happens when you go to the glory hole? So bad. All right. How do I do this again? I think I just click on it at the appropriate time. Is there an instruction manual? you can look up, you know, some porn, you know. Hey.
    99:08
    Okay, Bruce. All right. Let's see. I think I got everything running here. Let's get this running. Boom. Say something. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
    99:22
    Yeah, that's you. That's me, all right. Oh, yeah. Hi there, kiddos. How are you all doing? No, no. I love Mickey. Oh, no, no. Oh, yeah. I hate you. I love Mickey. Hi. I'm Mickey Mouse. Ho, ho, ho. I hate it. I love to take your money. Yes, I do. Yeah. Come to my park. Spend all the fucking cash you can. I wanted Bugs Bunny to kick the shit out of him and who Framerat's rabbit. I know. It's like you do not belong in the frame with Bugs Bunny, you tool.
    99:56
    Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Like, shut up. You suck. I hear you. Well, let me get going. I got to go to bed. I got to be at work tomorrow. We're dead right now. Oh, my God. We're so dead. It's not even funny. Okay. Well, good night, Bruce. Good night, sir. Thank you, and keep in touch with yourself. Okay. Bye.