Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. Hello everyone and welcome to the Classic Pinball Podcast. I'm George joined this week by my co-host Dave. Dave, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself. Well, I started with this whole pinball adventure back in the early 70s growing up at an arcade called Fun and Games in Framingham. That arcade was a child's nightclub, pretty much. You'd come up to the main door, you'd hear this loud din of music and chimes and game sounds and kind of muffled. When you open the door up, you get hit right in the face by a wall of just music, noise, and just awesomeness. You go inside there and just all these awesome games from the 70s and 80s freshly put out there. All the stuff from Stern, Quicksilver, Stargazer, and so forth, and the ballet stuff, 8 Ball Deluxe, and Mata Hari, and that kind of stuff. I was riding my bike all the time with my friend Paul. We'd go down there, skip school a lot of times, go down there, roll the quarters, try to last all day on that. Did pretty well, even sell games off to keep going. I did a lot of that and then I would, in my off hours, I wasn't playing pinball, I'd try to fix things. I used to go to the local junkyard, get a phone, get a toaster, take them apart, try to put them back together and try to make them work. And then down the road, I kind of married the two and started working on this stuff by meeting PJ's friend, I'm sorry, PJ's brother, Stu. And later on, he said that you could actually own this stuff. And that was back in the early 90s. How much older was Stu than you and PJ? Stu is actually PJ's younger brother. Oh, younger? He's younger, yeah. Yeah, so I lost touch with PJ back in the 80s and 90s or late 80s and 90s and I met up with Stu just by happenstance, renting a couple movies at a, you know, VCR tapes let's say back then, so that's how old we're talking. I was talking a little bit and he said, oh, you can own this. I said I missed the pinball machines back in the day because I was trying to look around maybe buying one because I heard you can kind of buy them. But the person I talked to in Rhode Island said, oh, you want to get like a Quicksilver or something. He said, oh, no, that stuff's all gone. You can't get that anymore. You need to buy the latest game, like Swords of Fury or some other ramp game with a bunch of ramps and lights and stuff. Archives played a video and for anything I celebrate Sundt Click it in is and click on the top of the best twenty courses on iTunes to winビ 6 marksv и更! I think it's going to be 1995, 1996. I think maybe, no, early 90s. Oh, it's got to be earlier than that. Yeah, it's got to be 90, early 90s, maybe 1990. I was going to say, because I started collecting right around 2000 and we're getting close now to almost 20 years and I met you right away and you said you'd been collecting for a long time. Yeah. And that's a whole other story we'll come back to at some point.font Carsobliuckte shell library, blog called LOTOSnatorplacesk magazine, Ortega Plaza.net, ItsfanLoder do so, All set discussions, 스트�ock In those three one, I don't think we had that. No ninetyfive. That's how old we're talking. Right. So we're, so we're old. So. Yeah. So, you, so let's let's clarify something. The, the, uh, the name of our podcast. Um, no, it doesn't reflect us. Classic. Yeah, we're approaching classic, but we're not quite there yet. Yeah. Yeah. Not quite there yet. Not yet. Pintastic is going to be happening between June 27th and 30th, Thursday through Sunday. Dave, I've never been to the show before. I know you've been. Can you tell me a little bit about the show and the audience? What to expect at Pintastic? Yeah, Pintastic is a great player show. A lot of games there. I think there are I read, I read a hundred and fifty. Okay, there you go, a hundred and fifty. I mean they have a list, we'll talk about the list in a little bit, but they're claiming that they're going to have close to a hundred and fifty games. Okay, yeah, so they've been growing. Started about I think five years ago, I was there at the beginning of it and was helping them back then too. But yeah, it's a nice show, they get tournaments, several different tournaments, a classic tournament, I believe.னasking choreography raccuz lymphomaني, paypal siempre Auritive Insights, Best He's a friend of yours, isn't he? Yeah, oh yeah, Eric, yeah, he's a great pinball player. In fact, he cut his teeth early on, I think three or five years old, his parents bought him a Captain Fantastic way back when, so he cut his teeth on that. Right, oh I've watched him in tournaments, so he's incredible. I watched two weekends ago him clean up in the Open tournament down in Florida, so he's quite talented. I guess he's been to the show the last couple years both as a speaker and as somebody participating in the tournament? Yeah, both. Yeah, they have him as a speaker, he gets a good draw, and also he loves playing the tournaments, and he loves, you know, loves, loves winning as best he can, and you know, loves the cash prize there too, so he... Well, he's originally from somewhere in New Robert Englunds, right? Yeah, he's up in New Hampshire. That's where originally hails from up on near Laconia. So he had all that in his backyard. Oh, so fun spot. He was probably a regular there, I would guess. Oh, yeah, that's a whole other, we can get into that later episodes of the whole story. Yeah, no, I kind of alluded to that in our introductory episode that we'll do a whole thing on, here we are, we've already talked about two arcades, but we'll go into it in more depth. I'm guessing like most pinball shows, there's some kind of contest is probably not the right word, but I guess it is, like a best in show type of thing. Did they have that over the last couple of years? Yeah, last couple of years I headed up a best in show. I've actually started their best in show contest and do it, I think, nine different categories we have now. Filmed pra 19966, Finan Pinball Thousandsartment腳into scratched jeukidl, Finlandia Innented Kn relationships The antique would be something like from the, you know, 30s, 40s, 50s. Oh, okay, okay. So pre-flipper or just about early part of flipper? No, that would be pre-60s, let's call it. So we call it all antique because very, you only find a lot of people bringing the older stuff to it. Right. So you might get 150s, you might get 140s, you might get 130s. That's how we do it that way. Gotcha, gotcha. So, you mentioned Bowen. Obviously he's in our backyard and ranked, I don't know, somewhere in the top ten along with Eric. So my guess is, I saw he's doing, and we'll talk about it a little bit, he's doing a seminar this year, but I'm guessing they're going to be competing in the big tournament at Pintastic. It seems like it's going to draw some and some heavy hitters to gain some points to move up in the rankings. I would hope so. I've actually played with both of them back at California Extreme years ago. I think back in 2003 I was in a tournament out there with them. That was a lot of fun. I was playing against Neil Schatz and I was up against Keith Elwin. That's a whole other story too. I can get into that. I'm wondering if we'll see somebody like that here. I would tend to think no, but you know, who knows? I mean, I watch a lot of tournaments. I'm shocked to see how much these people travel and it's all about the points. I mean, they're, I mean, I know I have a, an issue collecting. These guys have tournament issues big. I mean, they'll travel from high to low. I'm going to see some good competition, especially with someone like Eric and Bowen, you know, in any game together like that. It'd be fun to watch, certainly. Well, I would guess that we're going to see them close to the end, so it'll be interesting to watch how that unfolds. Let's talk a little bit about this year's show. Again, it appears to me that a lot of people are recurring from year to year, and I'm guessing I'm not going to say his name right now because I'm going to butcher the last name, but I see that he's been there the last couple of years. I see Steve Ritchie's going to be there again this year. So they got some heavyweights from the industry attending the show, which I think is pretty cool. I'm looking forward to a couple of those seminars. With that said, it's mostly surrounding their two current offerings. So let's talk about Jersey Jack first and Wonka. And I've been dying to ask you this question all day. Did you grow up watching Willy Wonka? I sure did. Love Gene Wilder and that film. See now, I asked you that question because I did not and I'm only a handful of years older than you are. Hmm, interesting. But I went back and looked and it's 1971 when that was released and I was on the cusp of 13 or 14. I'm guessing Willy Wonka wasn't really on the radar at 13 and 14. Yeah, more like 7 or 8 where I was. And I had younger sisters and I remember them being into Willy Wonka, so that makes sense. I know you went to Allentown to PinFest. Did they have a Willy Wonka? I know that's right in Jack's backyard. Did they have a Willy Wonka there? What's your favorite pinball game? I think I've played it twice. Oh yeah, I think I've played it twice. Did you get to play it? I didn't get to play it. There were big lines for both of them and I got there long playing games and so I kept circling back and I just kept playing. Oh really? They didn't do a one-ball-ball limit or something to move the line along? No, no. Not that I saw. Oh really? Okay. I have not played the game. I did not go to Allentown. I've heard probably every podcast in the world talk about it, so I'm not going to bore everybody with those details. I'll give you my first hand when we do our second episode, which will be right after we attend Pintastic. We'll tell you what we did and what we saw and what we thought of certain games. I know everybody's like, oh, it's the classic pinball podcast. Right. I'm going to try it. I'll see if I like it. More importantly, I want to try the Munsters because I grew up with that. Now, did that, was that game at Allentown? Yeah, different flavors of that game. They had, they had the, well, the LE and the Pro. Well, which is the one that's black and white? Yeah, that one. That's the LE. They had that one there That the LE yeah I believe I think it the LE Cool looking game Cool looking game Cool looking game Yeah that had a lot of people on it I don think they need to play that one I played the one below that the base model the pro So without the grandpa dungeon in it? Right. Yeah, I'm not sold on that. It's kind of a, I don't know, that looks strange to me. I get it. I get the whole grandpa dungeon thing. I just, the pinball thing doesn't excite me. Franchiשובations atai Ame Moldovan Laenske Teik'l Translator TWO That's a fun game. Yeah. It's a fun game. Yeah. But, you know, we're talking about monsters and again that's a Stern game and that's not even their current release. You know, there's a reason Steve Ritchie's going to be there. That's because they've got a new game, you know, the new, what is it, Black Dight? Oh. What is it? Swords of Rage. Swords of Rage. I was going to say Swords of Justice. That's probably something else. Well, they don't, they're giving some Sterns some new ideas here. They're going to go for that one. Right. Um... That game was not released in... in Allentown, right? No, that was there too. Oh, that was there too? Oh, yeah. They had all the games there. They had all kinds of... Okay, so you played that. I know you played that. I played that. And you said you liked that game. I liked that game. Yeah, that one and Deadpool, I liked that. All the new offerings, those are the two that really, um... Out of what I played, those are the ones that... I wish I had a buck for every time I watched a Twitch broadcast on that game. I've never played the game, but I bet you I can play the game pretty well just having watched everybody on all the different streams. The Black Knight game. The Black Knight game. You know, how to get that multiball. I mean, you can get that like in, what, four shots? Yeah, actually. Yeah, pretty much. I think it's four shots. So, that much I learned. Other than that, it looks like a pretty cool game. For I thought it was called something else, but we'll come we'll come back to that. Well, we're gonna We're gonna talk about it in a week. So doesn't matter. Hey So, okay, you got that. Um, So Steve Ritchie's gonna be doing a talk the programmer Tim, I'm gonna call him Tim Balls, but Tim Sexton first time out, I guess he's New Robert Englunds as well. I know he was, I think he's part of that whole Sanctum crew down in Connecticut. He's got something to do with that, but he works for Stern now, so he's going to be part of the talk. Maybe you can comment on this. I guess they're, they have like a special room with games that can be played 24 hours a day at this show, or am I confusing things? The Guy who puts the show on doesn't he bring his games and they're like in some special spot Yes, he does the extra ball lounge I Think they called it something else the terms change sometimes, but I think it's still called extra ball lounge I think that's what I saw is what it's called and yes, it's a special room. I believe for There's a whole stipulation on to qualify for that Time to精, I'm a fan of the show. I've been working on it since its inception about five years ago as doing the best in play. So you change the name, which I like. You're not just looking for trailer queens, you're looking for games that actually can play. Damn right I am. Well, no, no, I mean, look, no, no slight on anybody if you got a pretty game, but if you're not playing it and it doesn't play well, it's a piece of artwork and you might as well just hang it on the wall. The Wall. Exactly. Games are meant to be played and on top of that, it's best that, you know, how a game plays, a game should play as well as it looks. So the only way to really find it out is to play them, you know. Are they set up properly or everything's strong? Well, you would know. I mean, having been to your house numerous times, my inspiration is always after coming I'm like, man, his games play so nice and smooth and you certainly know how to set them up. So I know you know what to look for and I would say anybody bringing a game that's going to be in, you know, the contest or whatever you want to call it. Your game better play well or it's going to get dinged because this man knows how to set up a game and knows how to set it up well. I'm gonna try it I'm gonna transition off that unless there's... one an extra point to building out a little bit is I have a team working with me because to do the whole thing alone is no way how many thanks have had course at 9 categories at about 150 exactly instability, posing Comment, I have a great crew handpicked that we built up and each one has their own real specialty that we... So people know they focus on antique or classic or solid state, 90s, moderns, whatever. Some people are cross trained or cross knowledge on stuff that helps too, but definitely everybody has their own specialty so it really helps out with the judging. There you go. Good. I just pulled up on the website the games that are going to be in the bank for, what are they calling it, the rumble? Whatever. Yeah, the Silver Ball Rumble. Here you go. This might be your first time hearing this. Full Throttle, X-Files, Fire, Hocus Pocus, Frontier, Robocop, Meteor, Atlantis, Iron Maiden, Break Shot, Dragon Fist, and Flip Flop. Comments? That's a nice variety of stuff there. Well, it's not a Sternament, I mean... Exactly. Well, I shouldn't say that. Old school Stern, I love to say Meteor, I know you know what a Dragon Fist is, I hear everybody talk about that game, I've never seen one, so I'm looking forward to that. I called that, Dragon Pist is a, I call it a poor man stargazer. Okay. I've had two of them. Right, well. I've had three stargazers. We'll get down, we'll get down in the dirt later on with the collections and what you have and what you've turned but So, I mean really all you have is Iron Maiden in there as right, the I'm not sure if you're going to be able to see it, but I'm going to be able to see it. I think it's going to be a new game. It's a modern game. Everything else is... Well, Full Throttle, that's a modern game, but that's not by Stern. I forget... How old is that? That's new. That's like... That's like, I think, a year or two ago. No. I think. Yeah? Full Throttle? Yeah. I'm pretty sure it is. I have to... I have to pull up IPDB and see what that is, but okay. I'm pretty sure it's sort of new. I know you know... Like Fire... We had talked about Fire because of a local brewery, but that game doesn't really do much for me. I don't know about you. No, not a big fan. Hocus Pocus, been around for a long time. Long time. Frontier. I don't remember. I'm bummed because that's the only version and the only way I'm going to get to play it is if I go in the tournament. And I'm thinking of going in the tournament. Yeah, you know what I'm thinking? Just, you know what? Just to see. Just to see. I think the beauty of this term, I think it's like it's Papa rules. I think you pick four that you want to play as a card and you I'm pretty sure you pick four of these. No, here I'll read. I'll read. Unless it's different this time. Your first entry is $15. After that, it's $10. The prize pool is determined by the entry fees, you know, minus trophy set up, yada yada yada. All 24 final qualifiers will receive a pint glass Designed by Christopher Franchi. Okay, whatever. The prize money will be paid out. Qualifying takes place Friday and Saturday up until 2 o'clock. Eight qualifiers. I don't see it here. But the how-to is in there. I'm almost positive it's the same words they've always used there. Okay, it probably is. So it's a pop up, if you know, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's... Oh yeah, here you go. ifpopupinball.com menu slash rules. Yeah, it's gotta be. It says the highest score in a game is 100. Yep, yep. So I believe you pick four out of the whole line up. So if you're a big classic guy... Well, it says no, so you'll choose five. Okay, five. So you got five. Okay, so... So pick five of your best that you're really good on in there. The thing with these that it differentiates from... Those are music franchises, foster music will OkeошЕن masse USD n confiscoriëк ans the East Coast. cme from whatever it is that movie falls into. Guys innewy I'm a fan of the podcast, there's some roundtable one of the nights, I don't know if it's Friday or Saturday night where all the podcast people are getting together. Clearly not us because we're new. But I know two people that are going to play that Dragon Fist game and I'm sure they want to put up a high score just to show that they're king of the hill. Sure. Flip Flop, that's western theme, right? Yes, 70s. Is that the one with the animated backblast? No, no, flip flop is, well, it has a horse and it looks like it's animated, a goofy guy. That's not the one with the jackass thing, the buck and bronco. No, that's a 60s game. This is a valley. So this game has a little flip flop cards, four flip flop cards like the wizard does. Oh, okay, okay, okay. It's the same thing. Okay. That's why it's called flip flop. Right, right. Flip flop cards. Duh. Sorry. That is so unprovied. Anyway. We're anything but professional. Anything but. I mean, we've never, I've never done broadcasts before other than the one the other day. So let's see. So what else is on my list here? Oh, the all night arcade. That's quite a wild idea. Do people actually inhabit that all night? Yeah, people will be there till 6, 7 o'clock in the morning. Some strikers will just keep going all night long. Really? Because you got to understand these guys, they'll have games kind of for themselves. So they just keep just going, going, going, going. So practice? Well, it's... Well, if you're a tournament guy, I mean, not that that game is going to be in the tournament, but if you've never seen the game before and you're like, hey, this might come up in a tournament, that type of thing, or is it just... Or I think you're just a hard... I mean, are people playing dollar games? Are people... Raza...)aspong rank 19541! Da less, Ex uncorrect inquiry Amaranya abuses I'm guessing the bar stays open until whatever time local laws allow. Yeah, so people BYOB kind of thing. Oh, that happens too. Maybe on the down low. Oh, people bring the red plastic cup. Or a little plastic cup or a little... Or the sippy cup. Or the sippy cup or something. Or the gigantic gallon jug. Exactly. The big gulp. A little jungle juice to go with your pinball? Sure. Why not? Dave, I've completely forgotten about the pinball. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Dave I completely forgot this We were talking about Willy Wonka earlier and we forgot one of the biggest piece of the show they gonna have three of the actors with a panel on Saturday afternoon now I forgot all about this earlier we I been watching that movie recently only because of the dumb with with the pinball machine coming out I started watching segments of the movie and I'm looking at the names of the stars. Peter Ostrom. I guess he was... Charlie Bucket? Yeah, he was Charlie Bucket. Boy, he doesn't look anything like Charlie Bucket. And then you got Paris Themen. Is that... Oh, that's the guy, the kid who played the cowboy. What was the cowboy's name? He had a funny name. Don't know. I don't remember. It's not, not Shane, but it looks like Shane. Right, right. Shane. Right, right. Come back Shane! Come back Shane! Come back! Come back! Then there's in Batman he was called Shame. Shame? Yeah, they had a Batman version. Right. Oh, I remember him. Yeah, there you go. It's possible. He doesn't look anything like he used to look. And then you got Julie Dawn Cole. She played... The work assault. Yes. Yes. I don't know how I know all these things. She's a lovely young...she's a lovely woman. Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. What people taking pictures? Ah, yes pictures with autographs and so forth picture next to your star you liked you, you know I think that kind of thing right to meet and greet right well, you know Well, Texas had Eddie Munster and Marilyn Munster. Right, so I got it. I did What about the Ivan down and do you have anybody? No, it's not that kind of show Pinfest doesn't do that. They're they're a different show. Right, but every show has their own little niche kind of deal, right? I see I see Christopher Franchi is also on the docket for Saturday after he just bailed on another podcast saying he needed to kind of get his head back in one piece. So it'll be interesting to see. I'm not going to be there on Saturday, but I'm sure there will be stories about that, him coming around. And he's probably not going to be happy answering questions of why he stopped doing the podcast. Minian's Top trazings for Hashtag Pair ofAh from ligne Jersey lakewood is good for pinballZY downstairs I am. Okay, Dave, it's time to tie up some loose ends here. We're Open mic we can talk about anything about the show and kind of do a wrap up here. I wanted to mention one thing About the people involved in the show I know you're familiar with most of them, but you wanted to give a shout out to one in particular. Yeah, Joel DeGuzman, and forgive me Joel if I butchered your last name, but he's actually a big player in the show behind the scenes. He's also working with me in my, as one of my judging team, best in play. But he's the major player doing all the artwork for the show, the design for the different literature and that kind of stuff and different signs you might see and fantastic. Did he work on some of the artwork on the website? I believe he, I know they have a website designer and I think his, I'm pretty bad with names but I think his name is Dave as well. Forgive me if that's not you Dave, I think it's you. And he does the web design I believe and but I think Joel might have had some with that too, he might have a contributor, contributing piece with that. He also has done the glasses for the show, the pint glasses, Joel did that. But he didn't do the Christopher Franchi ones. The I'm a fan of that and so this year something's gonna happen with the artist who's gonna do this stuff this year and that didn't work out so Joel Stitt then again. Well didn't he do, he's doing the t-shirts right? The t-shirts, yep. Well he's, he, what? Yeah, the glasses. Yeah, the glasses, yes. Gotta have those glasses. He's a great artist. I love his tribute to Paul Faris. I had it framed in my game room. Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. We are live at the Pinball Podcast. I'm here with my friend, Paul. We are here with this amazing podcast, P.J. A great podcast, and he sent me a list. And he doesn't even know that George and I are even making this podcast right now. And he sent me, hey, look at the games in Pentastic. And I go, wow, that's very great timing, P.J., thank you. So yeah, he sent me the whole list here. Oh, I just noticed the year on here. Oh, yeah, they got the year. I think it's this is like I also see the location and you can you can chime in on this. Yeah, I mean ACDC premium it's the only ACDC in the show and it's only at the extra ball lounge. So if you come to the show Well, that's it Well, the good thing about that is you know where it is So, you know, well if I want to play that I'm gonna have to pony up the extra dough or do whatever it takes to get in there Right, there you go. Couple Adams, families and here's another one that I would like to play but again in the tournament area, Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. Now I'm guessing it's not in the tournament but I'm guessing Bowen is probably going to go and try to blow this thing up again like he did online. He did some Twitch feed where he ended up blowing this game up so I'm guessing he's going to try to do a repeat performance live. We'll see. Funny thing is, another little factoid about that, that was the exact game Eric Stone won as a prize when he played in a tournament I think last year, and the first prize was a signed copy of Alice Cooper game. Oh really, he won one of those? Yep, he won one of those and actually met him and everything else, and I think he might have even got it signed by him. And he was one of the first ones to take delivery. Well I mean, I don't know, we're not going to have a lot of opportunities to play that Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. Titloana live, Matan Ansari, kamu -, It's probably not as extensive as Allentown. I hate to keep bringing that up, guys, but people, but... No, I'd say it's kind of on par. It's pretty close. So they have a little bit of everything. Yeah, it's a huge hall they have there. I'd say the hall itself is pretty big in the vendor hall. A lot of games there, too, and they have a lot of different stuff. I'm not sure if the playfields are there, though. The You know like you know when you're at Allentown that one vendor Has like a wall of them. I don't know who that is. Oh, but they usually have you know 10 or 12 Playfields at least I mean no one games of the old game a little bit of everything. Oh, that's Steve from Mayfair. Okay Yeah, he's gonna be there. He's there. Okay. I bought from him before I see the Beatles Obviously, we just talked about that. I like that game. I know you have... I like the Sea Witch version better of it. Well, I... and that... boy, you're really good. Chatter has it that that game is going to be released. Which game? I heard that Stern is giving deep thought to releasing Sea Witch on the Beatles platform. Wow. Okay, well, that can be interesting. Why wouldn't you? I mean the chatter again You know introduction I listen to a lot of podcasts. I listen to a lot of turn watch a lot of tournaments So I see all these games and the chatter is on the street that Stern is going to start making At least a retro game a year and why wouldn't they say he makes you can You can release it as a new title and then you can come back and recycle it as the original title. Now again it's gonna have all new mechs and it's gonna be but you basically got a do-over. Yeah but it's not gonna have the same feel. Nobody's saying it is but... And here's the chatter too. See years ago you know all the poo-poors out there on and the rest of the and pin signs of worth like that you know you know who you are out there they're saying no way an old school game they're we're gonna make strings every do that ever again no that's not gonna happen and people kept saying no they should they should you'll keep poopooing it well look where we are guys look where we are today yeah be done you know what goes around comes around here we go black night you're gonna see every version black night black night mm and then swords of rage one two three of them in the vendor So that's good. I would like to see that. Bobby Orr, have one, don't have to play that. Captain Fantastic, okay. I think I got three of those. Yeah, of course you do. Charlie's Angels, that's in your wheelhouse. Cleopatra. I got two of those. Cleopatra, yeah, I know. System Ones. System One, good stuff. Okay, Deadpool, two of those. Okay, Dialed In, they're gonna have a couple of those. Don't care about that so much. No, I don't like that game either. I played that. What's the name? I don't like selfies. I was trying to think. What's the name of the place in Everett that has all the pinball machines? Down the Road Brewery? Yeah. Did Joel design a can for them or is that another brewery? Oh, no, no. Yo, they designed. I don't know if Joel did it for them. Someone did it for them. The one that looks like a pinball? Yeah. Did Joel do that? I don't know if he did. I saw. I was on his Instagram page and he had a picture of it. I thought it was his. I thought it was his. Oh. Hmm. I don't know. We'll ask him. I don't know. Should I have Joe calling right now? Don't know. Well, that's upcoming. We're going to figure that software out in the future. That would be nice. That's, you know, one step at a time. Get on that. Babyset. Yeah, get on it. I'm trying to figure out this nightmare. So, 8 Ball, we're going to play 8 Ball Deluxe. It's not going to play like yours, so why would I even play it? Evil Knievel, I'm going to revisit that game. I'll play that. I'll play that. I'll play that. I'll play that. I'll play that. I'll play that. Evil Knievel, I'm gonna revisit that game. I'll play that. That's a great game. You know, I don't think I have enough time. Two Fires, Fireball, Old, I'd like to play that. Flip Flop we talked about, that's in the tournament. I don't see, oh, here we go. Here's the Bali, classic, Future Spa. I don't own it. You own one of those? I own one of those. It was just too ugly to keep. But it's a great tournament game though, actually. Be great for a re-theme. I'm not real big on it. I'm not real big on that spa whole thing. Stern, do that one too. That's it. Jump over and just start doing ball again. You might as well. Why not? Okay, some Williams games. Grand Prix. Williams Grand Prix. Oh, here you go. Now, here's interesting. The location is the Southern New Hampshire Pinball Club. Knapp Arcade David David Van Es or ketra verbose empty to a�� a little clip good a bit great aid to a bit the big a bit bonus Hi,古ggin. So now they're doing it. Right. So it said six. I read it on the website. I think it's six team members represent a team, but they have a name for it. Yeah. The trash talk. The trash talk tournament. That was Chuck Webster. Right. But I think they're calling it the trash talk or something. Whatever it is. Yeah. Okay. So these guys, so these guys are involved. Harlem, the new, the new that was on again, another tournament game becoming Harlem is becoming Out Pinball Podcast, Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. Out Pinball Podcast, Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. I'm not sure what it was, but it was in there again. I think it was actually, I think it was down in Florida, the tournament that Eric was in. Hook, Hot Hand, Houdini, there we go. There's one. One's going to be in the main free play and the extra ball lounge, so I'm guessing that's Gabe's game? Yeah, he has a game. You ever played it? I have played that game. Actually, I'm not the greatest player, but a great looker. They say it's a beautiful looking game. Beautiful looking game. The Shots on it are as tight as they can really it's a it's a players game Yeah you got to be really on with your shots on that game and you make sure your flippers are all rebuilt and snappy because You're frustrating with us. So here you go Iron Maiden Extra ball lambs that must be his too Here jokers, you know, no, you don't have jokers. Well, you have Joker Joker poker right different. Oh, here's a game I'm going to be playing a game. One of my guys that's in my judging team, he's bringing a custom game called Metroid. Oh, I've been watching Mark on Twitch for, it seems like the last year. He's been doing the mad scramble the last couple nights. Oh yeah, yeah. I've been watching him and he was trying to load the game the other night and I don't think it was behaving properly. He gave me the playfield to get it auto clear-coated for him and he said can you get this back to me? Oh you did that? Yeah, I had my buddy do it, my guy who does it for me. Oh. And he said can you get this back to me in time? I want to get ready for potassium. I'll do the best I can. I'll push my guy to get it done. And he got it done, you know, he wanted to get it done in a month. I got it done about a month and a half or so. So, you know, kind of sneaked under the wire for him. So hopefully it's enough time to get it all done, but it was kind of definitely under the gun to get this done in time. So it's just gonna be a white wood. It's not... Just a white wood. Right. Yeah, clear-coated white wood. Right, no, it's on, it's listed here, custom. Couple Metallicas, you know, they got a lot more modern games. There you go, look at that, one, two, three Munster games. Okay, there you go. Mustang, game I want to play just because of the chatter. You don't care for that game too much. I'm hearing from the players that it's, it's becoming collectible, believe it or not. How many did they make? Right Probably not a lot. Yeah, right and here's the one I wanted to get to I forgot about completely Oktoberfest. That doesn't mean bad girls. No Not bad girls. Bad girls. No. Oktoberfest. Now that looks, have you played that? I saw that there and that line was long and I couldn't get in that one either back at pin fest I wanted to play that one too So what the hell did you do with pin fest? Walked around. Walked around. Went to the Towers Market. It doesn't sound like you played much pinball. I did a lot of chatting, a lot of talking. Well that seems to be the, you know. I got my pinball at home, I don't know. Right, no, no, that seems to be, I mean I hear that from everybody. I go to the show, I don't play pinball, I chat with everybody. So, I want that gig. Pay me 20-something bucks, come into this room, stand around, look at the pinballs, and then leave. Look at the pinballs and then leave. Yeah, there you go. That's a good business. It's not a bad business model. No, it's not. It's not. The PartyZone. I used to... I can't stand that game. I used to play that game in... No offense if you own that game, but I'm not... In Nashua at whatever that arcade is with the... used to have the go-karts. The most god awful obnoxious no just horribly I don't think they looked at the game ever. I don't think the glass was ever off it. Oh, okay. I think they took it out of the box. They set it up and then just left it there for like years. But I would put money in it like a dope because there was at that time, probably early 90s there was probably or late 80s there was probably nothing else to play. Hmm. And all their machines were horrible. I'll just say that outright. I don't care if you listen. That arcade didn't take very good care of their machines. I just got so spoiled by my arcade growing up, funding games and framing him to spoil the crap out of me. And that's why I'm the ADD pinball guy today. Oh, you know what, Dave? There are, well, there you go. Oh, that's wrong. Space Invaders by Midway. Oh, no. Oh, I know there's some video games in there too, that's why. Oh, that's what that is? Yep. Yep. They put the video in there too. Well, it doesn't matter, I wouldn't play it anyway. That's not one of my favorite volley games. You own one of those? Space Invaders? Oh, the volley one. I did, years ago. Oh, you did. You're not... No. It's fun to play, but it's, you know, It's like the worst of the wild. They're wide bodies. Yeah, kind of is. I can't think of a worse one. There you go. Six billion dollar man. Now, I saw one of these for sale locally near you. Is it a faded cabinet? I don't know. It looked okay. Said it played. That doesn't mean anything. Seven hundred and something dollars. Not bad. No. For playing? No, it didn't. Oh, here we go. Jersey Jack. Wow. Wow. Wizard of Oz 2014. That game's been out five years already. Oh right, wow, time flies. I remember when he brought that to, again, Allentown. Pinfest. Allentown. Yeah, well I call it Allentown. Sorry. Um, yeah, we're a little lean on the, oh there we go, oh, Viking. Okay, I'm gonna get to play Viking. I know you're not a big... Clip of the Well, you had, you had, that one was beautiful that you had. I had two that were beautiful like that. I let them both go. Yeah. They were just, I don't know, didn't do anything for me. They had to go. I sold two nice Frontiers too. You sold them to some like, some Norwegian or some Swede, somebody who was really into the Vikings, you know, as their heritage? No, not really. Just guys who That's who I'd go after. I know one guy up in North Shore Massachusetts was definitely, his name is Gunnar, Gunnar and he was definitely had a Viking thing on. Is he the guy who used to make the White Water soccer balls? Was he make those too? Or did he make the White Water, the mountain thing? The mountains. He made the mountain thing, yeah. Yeah, Vietnam vet, right? No, it was Gulf war stuff. He was Gulf war. Gulf war, I knew he was, I knew he served. Yeah, no, no, no, I remember I Where the hell did I meet him? Up at JR's. I know I met him there, but I've met him. Even Janice remembered him. Nice guy. I remember him. Hmm. Long time. So that's the list. I think we're a little light on the classics here, Dave. At least, boy, that segment's gonna be real short. Wow. Well, I'm gonna have to go digging. I'm gonna have to go. I'm gonna have to go I have to go outside the Bali zone and have to and I guess have to broaden my oh here we go we get we get some stern so you get some dragon I'm going by manufacturers so dragonfish yeah but that's in the but that's in the tournament oh okay all right I don't determine you have hot hand meteor stampede well yeah not what's happened it's it's a stir it's a stern it's it's from the the dash 100 The Game It's a one fan from the last the last game of the last game of the last game of the last game of the last game of Not a bad элем dragon.... Now there is some really cool custom software. Well over a thousand bucks. Is that pricey for that game? It's a little pricey for that game, but people can get online, people have it, you know, what a friend of a friend, custom software for some of these older Sterns that really make them jazzed up nice. Second chance. Second chance for that game? Oh, you're right. Yeah, true. But the sound card is just godawful. You know, at least with the Gottliebs you can take the stupid sound card out and put Chimebox in it and call it, you know. Call it, you know. Right. Call it even. Call it even, but the Stern game. Although my other guy who's in my, who's judging, he's this electronic genius, John, John Day. He's done some nice stuff and he, I wouldn't put it past him to create something for that too and take those Stern sound card and make it, make Chimes average. Johnny, Johnny the Mad Scientist. Yeah. Really. What's his, his claim to fame is putting Williams, Is it Williams flippers? I wouldn't say... Or Gottlieb? Which flippers did he put in the Flash Gordon? Yeah, I don't know. I call it kind of an abomination myself, but no offense to you, John. But no, John likes it and he likes that kind of thing. I like to keep things as rigid as possible. He wants really strong stuff and I get it. You know what I always say, it's his game to do whatever he wants. Exactly right. John Papadiuk, Black Water, person's name or role at Stern PinballMaleartwork panel in backbox that is backlit Knapp Arcade, Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es. We're going to wrap up the show. Anything we missed? Because I think, I don't know, I'm ready to wrap if you are. Yeah, I think that's about all I can think about the moment there. If we miss it, there's next show. We're going to bring you all the action that happened, we'll talk about the games we saw, we'll try to focus on some classic games. But give us a break. It's, you know, it's a show in our backyard. You know, we want to focus on that. We're hoping that nobody else focuses on it from the other podcasts, although they probably will. But we live in the backyard and, you know, listen to us. Don't listen to everybody else. Listen to us. We live in the backyard. I'm also an insider on the Pintastic thing since I'm, you know, part of the show. And, you know, we've got some unique perspective here. So you're gonna pull back the curtain so to speak and we're gonna peek inside get a little bit of inside baseball afterwards? Sure. Yeah. Well we won't spoil it for everybody you know up front no no spoilers beforehand but we're gonna call it a wrap this is our first show if you've lasted through this far I want to thank you I'm sure you do as well I certainly do and Hopefully you'll tell your family, friends, dog, cat, fish to listen to us. We're new to this as you can tell. We're not professionals by any stretch. We're not trying to compete with the professionals. So if you hear the oohs, the ahhs, the umms, it's, you know, hey, I'm not going to try to edit it all out. If you've never done it, it takes a long time and it's the first thing I learned from every other podcaster. Editing is laborious. So with that said, I'm going to say goodbye. Thank you. Be good and be well. Dave? 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