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Haggus failure & Stern's new Jaws mode highlight manufacturing trust and game depth.
Haggus has ceased operations and customers with pre-orders are losing their investments
high confidence · Joel opens segment stating 'haggus is dead they're gone' and discusses people who pre-ordered multiple games receiving nothing
Stern has released speaker light kits for Pro and Premium games, with LE kits coming later
high confidence · Tom and Joel discuss Stern speaker lights integrated into Jaws, John Wick, Godzilla, and James Bond with clarification that current kits only fit 4-inch speakers in Pro/Premium models
Jaws: The Revenge is a new NES-style mini-game mode where players eat people and fight bounty hunters
high confidence · Tom describes the mode as having an 8-bit NES feel with sounds and LCD graphics
Zach Sharpe at Flippin' Out made customers whole on Haggus deposits despite taking a financial hit
high confidence · Joel praises Zach for 'making anybody that had a deposit with him whole' and 'taking the hit' to protect customers
Pre-ordering pinball machines without seeing the product in hand carries significant financial risk
high confidence · Joel endorses the philosophy from Dennis, Tony (Eclectic Gamers), Nick, and Kevin not to pre-order; Travis warns about companies relying on pre-orders to fund R&D being a risky business model
Manufacturing pinball machines requires substantial upfront capital and daily operational costs that can bankrupt underfunded startups
high confidence · Travis discusses learning about R&D, production, raw materials, and labor costs through Funhouse project; references that 'time is what kills you' — every day without production is a losing day
Stern speaker light support has been added to Jaws, John Wick, Godzilla, and James Bond with more titles to come
high confidence · Joel confirms speaker light code already built into named games and notes Stern said 'more titles to come'
Joel sold his Deadpool machine partly because it lacked challenge modes and speedrun options
“haggus is dead they're uh I like yeah let's enjoy the moment let's enjoy Joel kills another company”
Tom@ 4:09 — Marks the opening of major discussion about Haggus collapse; establishes tone of dark humor mixed with genuine sympathy for affected customers
“I genuinely feel sorry for anybody that had money invested in it that they're getting nothing out of it”
Joel@ 5:10 — Signals empathy for Haggus victims while setting up discussion of pre-order risk culture in pinball
“every day you're not making machine all you're doing is losing money”
Travis (quoting unnamed video source)@ 12:05 — Core insight into why cash-flow dependent manufacturers fail; demonstrates understanding of manufacturing economics
“don't buy a game until you can the game is in the Box don't don't pay for game”
Joel (referencing Dennis and Tony from Eclectic Gamers)@ 5:41 — Articulates emerging community best practice against pre-orders; positions trust as earned through delivery
“it's just lesson learn definitely go with sometimes you can't just go with your gut sometimes you have to go with what is facts and the companies that have proven over years at a time”
Travis@ 13:40 — Summarizes learning from Haggus failure; emphasizes importance of manufacturer track record over speculation
“I think pinball needs more of that where like there's additional stuff to do in the game besides the game”
Joel (about Jaws: The Revenge mode)@ 25:43 — Expresses demand for challenge modes and mini-games as features that increase game longevity and appeal
community_signal: Haggus Pinball collapse creates community-wide discussion of pre-order risk and trust in manufacturers; Carrie Hardy producing documentary-style coverage signals serious community engagement with the failure
high · Joel references Haggus's complete shutdown, multiple hosts discuss financial losses, Carrie Hardy noted as producing cinematic coverage
code_update: Stern released Jaws: The Revenge, an NES-style mini-game mode with independent gameplay loop separate from main ruleset
high · Tom confirms new mode with 8-bit aesthetics, players eat people and fight bounty hunters; mode works independently from main Jaws game
code_update: Stern integrated speaker light code support into Jaws, John Wick, Godzilla, and James Bond with announced plans for more titles
high · Joel: 'it's already built into Jaws it's already built into John Wick they added support for Godzilla and um Bond serious clerk they so those are four games as of right now that there's speaker light code for'
product_launch: Stern released expression speaker lighting accessory kits for Pro and Premium machines (4-inch speakers); LE kit with larger speaker support still pending
high · Tom displays Stern speaker lighting kit, clarifies kit compatibility with 4-inch Pro/Premium speakers; notes LE kit not yet released for 5-inch speakers
sentiment_shift: Haggus failure accelerates community shift away from pre-orders toward requiring proven manufacturer track records; hosts explicitly endorse buy-only-when-delivered philosophy
mixed(0.35)— Predominantly negative about Haggus collapse and sympathy for affected customers dominates early discussion, but strongly positive about Stern's innovations (speaker lights, Jaws mode) and established manufacturers' reliability. Hosts balance pessimism about pre-order culture with optimism about industry leaders delivering quality products.
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high confidence · Joel states he got rid of Deadpool because 'Deadpool had no challenge modes' and says having a speedrun/challenge mode would have made him reconsider
“if Deadpool had a speedrun to it there was nothing there was... would that be something that would entice you to keep it... I would have thought about it a lot more”
Joel@ 26:52 — Concrete example of how lack of challenge mode features directly influenced buying decision; shows game design impacts collector retention
“don't include me in this don't don't Tom didn't do anything wrong it was you were the producer you started it without telling us”
Travis (during opening technical chaos)@ 1:59 — Humorous insight into show production dynamics; establishes that Joel often starts recording before hosts are ready
high · Travis: 'the ones that are out there right now they've all proven they can get it out so until they prove otherwise I think all those manufacturers that are currently out there are trustworthy manufacturers'
gameplay_signal: Jaws: The Revenge mode designed with minimal reliance on LCD; players can understand gameplay flow from physical inserts alone, supporting casual play
medium · Joel asks 'how well does this game the new mode convey what to do or how to do it without looking at the LC like does do the inserts like is it pretty easy to understand' — Tom says 'kind of kind of'
design_innovation: Stern's speaker light kits represent hardware/software integration trend enabling topper effects to sync with speaker lighting in real-time during gameplay
high · Tom: 'the new code has new topper effects which reflect in the speaker lights so I think it's awesome I think it's so cool that Stern's doing it'
manufacturing_signal: Haggus failure highlights critical vulnerability in capital-dependent manufacturing model where companies use pre-orders to fund R&D and production, creating debt spirals
high · Travis discusses R&D costs and daily operational losses: 'every day you're not making machine all you're doing is losing money... it just um I mean one of the guys on car's video basically said um you know time is Time's what's going to kill you'
market_signal: Market converging around established manufacturers (Stern, JJP, Spooky, CGC, American Pinball) with proven delivery; new manufacturers face significant consumer skepticism
high · Joel and Travis both emphasize importance of buying from companies 'that have proven over years at a time' and explicitly endorse established manufacturers as trustworthy
gameplay_signal: Challenge modes and speedrun modes increasingly valued by players for replayability and streaming/casual play variety; absence of challenge modes influences purchasing decisions
high · Joel: 'if Deadpool had a speedrun to it there was nothing... would that be something that would entice you to keep it... I would have thought about it a lot more'; discusses using challenge modes for short play sessions
product_concern: Stern speaker light kits incompatible with upgraded speakers (5-inch LE speakers); forced customers with premium speaker setups to wait for separate LE kit release
high · Joel: 'the kit right now they advertise the kit as Pro and premium what they should be saying is this is a kit for 4 in speakers... if you if you have upgraded your speakers to a 5 in speaker... this kit that is the same speaker that's in an LE that's what Tom's used to'
community_signal: Zach Sharpe's decision to make Haggus customers whole viewed as trust-building measure that likely retains customers despite absorbing financial losses
high · Joel: 'good on Flipping Out for for making anybody that had a deposit with him whole I mean sure he's the one that had to take the hit but luckily I hope he really earned some buyers out of that or some respect from like okay well he he protected me once I'm going to keep going through them again'