Jankus, it's time once again for some more WAP. Let's go, baby! I feel like Curry. That is hitting so hard on all of my feels, man. Straight out of New Delhi to your ear holes. It's time for some WAP, episode number 46 Hello everybody, Don Garrison here With the WAPinator, Maestro himself Jenga's Retro Dennis Of the Retro Jenga channel, what's up buddy? Oh man, with all this Daily music, I'm jacked up Pumped up, I'm ready to go baby This is WAP, we just recorded A couple of days ago, let me hear that music Up with the volume, up with the volume The way that sitar hits man And I'm getting deli-belly just thinking about it. It's so crazy, man. Wow, Donnie, number 46. We just recorded, man. We just recorded. What the heck are we doing? It should be once a month. The news don't stop, man. And it's dropping like some undergarments on a lady that just sees me from across the room. Boom! Hit in the ground. Watch your ankles. You're going to bruise them. You're going to bruise them. Okay, let's just say it as it is. We just recorded two, three days ago with Enzo. What a great guy. We love Enzo over here. And today you made your live show. You're tired. You're at the Emory house. And I just hit you up because I just got a mail from Kineticist Colin. He made a top 19 list of all the games that came out in 1995. What? I'm like, Tony. Yeah. I want to. I want to tear that list apart. Do we have time? Yeah, do you want to talk about that list? And you were like, heck yeah, buddy. All right, perfect. So this episode, zero notes, zero preparation, zero nothing. You're just going to listen to a normal phone call with Don and I. We'll just talk. And this guy's at the Emory house, man. Donnie, people are loving, are loving episode 46 where we just told everybody with you working with Spooky Pinball. That was so cool. Yeah, that was 45. That was with Enzo behind the paywall on Patreon. But I think we need to get more ears on that one, dude, because we go to Enzo at least to just release that to the public. What do you say? I think our Patreon people got the first taste of what's going on. Let's release it to the world because if we don't release it, then we have to, you know, say the same stuff again and again. Hell yeah. Oh, he's on it. He likes it. That's what we do. All right, so this is episode 46. You should have got this caught on your podcaster, but just roll back one time or at the end of this episode, when it rolls on to the previous one, you'll get some Enzo goodness in your mind, in your brain. I will enter you through the mind meld that only WAP can provide. so just upload the fully episode 45 first and then jumped in with this 46 after so adobre can can hear it's on people on top of a live stream on top of patreon content on top of don casting on top of the great games that we are putting out into the public and reviewing and eviscerating great games from 1993 courtesy of the kineticist all friends of the show all love to go around Expo is around the corner 95 even It's even better I'm here for it Subscribe to Kineticist because he sends out Every week in pinball what's going on Very cool mails And this week he sent out Colin he sent out this mail with Yeah top We learned that 19 games Were released in 1995 Isn't that crazy 19 new pinball machines I thought six new games at TPF in 23 was huge. And we were all like, wow. Was it in 20? Yeah, 2023. I think everybody was just amazed. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. This list, man. 19 games. So shout out to Colin. Shout out to Kineticist. Kineticist are also supporting us on WAP. So when somebody is kind to us, we have to be 10 times kind back. Right, Donnie? It all goes around. Yeah. I subscribe to all. Yeah. I mean, all the stuff that I like, I kick them a few bucks every month. They bring so much joy into my life, and if that's the way that I can best NPR them, maybe I'll get a tote bag. Maybe I won't, but that's what I do. I've got my own Patreon. I try to get back to my members. WAP Club is awesome. So, yeah, that's what we do, man. It's all fun. Absolutely, man. We've got some new WAP members. Do you want to say thank you to them or should we just go into the list? What do you want to do? Let's rattle them off real quick, man. They paid to be here. Let's go. What do you got? Who's on the list? Well, let me just open the list because we're not prepared. but let's start with the high rollers first right sure so as we said enzo slaps man ends up coming in at premium level oh thank you for the premium enzo slaps yes absolutely he does buddy thank you premium level 50 and you know what you can actually press on enzo's name this is just an example i just found out about this you can actually press you can see here for example enzo he has provided us with 525 dollars hell yeah get the hell out of here man the ends is a permanent fixture around here if you ask me yeah yeah no this dude's cool he's fed me pizza at his house i got to play his avatar game i got my sticky fingers all over his star trick yeah and now he's still gonna hang out with the wop crew this is amazing we love this dude uh yeah i hope i hope he resurrects his own channel now and i think enzo slaps is becoming a brand so that's the one that i'm gonna push go make your youtube channel now man i will like and sub i mean enzo sent us an awesome awesome tattoo that says enzo slaps and he wants you to have it on your leg buddy he wants you to get that tattoo and i said if donnie does that i'm gonna pay for that tattoo all right we need we need 100 watt patreon members and we'll go ahead and do it i'll put it on record right now we'll slap that on the lake absolutely so i love what enzo's doing in australia too because it's such a big market so many cool people are there like starred for games man like let's get more like not just in the outback but in the fringes um i you know let's keep pinball growing in australia i love that because i want to go out there and i want to have more games to play and i want them to be able to get games like the same time they release here too let's do bi-continental distribution deals let's blow it up man we're thinking too small here let's think big australia is not an afterthought australia should be like you know one of my other neighboring friendly countries that i go to man just bounce over there bounce back i mean we have a lot of australian listeners we can see it on the analytics they're so sweet we need more pinball companies i want to do god i would love to do an appearance at chicken treat it's purse best chicken chain i was able to get a chicken burger sandwich that had a deep fried pineapple on it and it changed my life man like never did that occur to me i thought we had the tastiest most greasiest foods here in the u.s i'm finding out that they got stuff going on over there i didn't even know about so like i want to go out there and play with the drop bears i want to go get the bin chickens i want to fry some pineapple sandwiches like i want it man i want it chicken Well, other than Enzo at the premium level support, we have another guy that drives around in America with a big WAP logo on the back of his pickup truck. That's the coolest. Anthony Marua. What the heck is going on, buddy? I love you, Marua. I love you, Anthony. This one is for you. This one is for you. We're not going out. I love it. I love it. I want to play the whole song, but you know what? YouTube does. Anthony, thank you for the support, buddy. Do you know what would die if I was behind a truck on the highway and I had my sticker in the back window? I'd be like, hell yes, dude. It's so cool, man. It's so fun, yeah. If you need a WAP sticker, I got tons. Let me know. They want WAP stickers. They want T-shirts. Oh, T-shirts? Thank you for buying all those T-shirts, man. Yeah, we are pinball69andgmail.com if you want some. I'll hook you up. We'll ship them to the U.S. I think we're doing 30 on the shirts. You get free stickers with them. and that shipped. That shipped to the U.S. I ship worldwide, though, man. We'll hook it up. I just need to know your size. I just need to know your size and your address, and it will come to you. So, yeah, do that. Hey, Josh Cox, also premium level, fifth. Oh, yeah, baby. It's like a college rock radio station. Oh, I love you some, Josh Cox. I mean, we're blessed. This is just incredible, Donnie. But we have to say thank you. We have to thank you to JC. That's the whole name. So, JC. Hello, JC. Tim Casey Butler. He was a supporter. He jumped off and he jumped on again. So, Tim Casey Butler. Welcome back, Tim Casey Butler. Nice to have you here. The same happened for Mr. Ballstein. Thank you for the support, Mr. Ballstein. Nice to have you here. We got another supporter called Mike Grutzweiler. Yeah. Yeah, man. Mike Grutzweiler. Please, please, Gustav, please say your name. What did you say? That's awesome. Oh, we got another. Dana. Hammontree. I know this guy I know this dude he's a Texas dude hell yeah man so fun man so fun oh man oh man oh man oh man and the last supporter we got he wants he this guy he needs to he needs to have he's a state border he's called Orbital Albert Agar welcome to the Chief Money I said There's some whores in this house. There's some whores in this house. There's some whores in this house. Okay, Jesus, I got stuck. I had some Diet Coke on the switch. We should have put some beaches queued up for that guy. Toronto's Most Wanted, the Gem of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia's native son, almost, Mr. Alvear. Do you know what kind of music he listens to? I do, I do. He loves beaches. He loves him some beaches. Why did you just prepare? Why are we not prepared, Tony? He hates him some Aerosmith. So whatever the opposite of Aerosmith is, I think that's what we should play. Pinball Nerds podcast fame. Go listen to him. He drops shows faster than I can even keep up with. And I thought I released shows fast. So, yeah, we love Albert, what he does for the hobby. New Brunswick's grand champion in my book. Do you want to hear one thing, Donnie? Yeah. You know, when we get new people on Patreon, you know, these guys, they come to support us and they use the chat. They're active. We love them, right? So you or I or both of us, every time we get new people, we always say, welcome, thank you for joining. So we have this conversation. They always write back, and it's so cool. So Albert Agar, two days ago, I wrote this because you were sleeping. So I wrote this message. I wrote, hi, Albert. Welcome to the WAP team, buddy. Nice to have you here. thank you for supporting Don and I we enjoy now enjoy the episode and join the Patreon chat and I even gave him a heart you can see it on this video a heart and you know what Albert didn't get back so Albert we wrote to you buddy please go and take your messages you gotta love the message from us just go in and say hi what happens with Patreon sometimes because this happens to me because I have to have two accounts because there's WAP and then there's mine. And if I get a message, sometimes it's hard to get back over to there to see it unless you purposely log back out, then log back in as the other account. And you have to switch between creator and member to even see messages. It's horribly convoluted. So if anybody ever sends a message and I don't respond, it's because I've probably tried five ways to get to where the hell it is because I get the notification, but it's just hard to see it. So I'll just give our homeboy some time. He'll navigate that. Albert doesn't need to respond. The only thing he needs to know is we reached out and said hello to him. That's the important part. Because you know what, Donnie? Our show number 44, we made that show. And I listened to what Albert had to say. He listened to that show. And he actually said that it was our best show. Dude. Dude. So when someone is nice to us, what do we do? We get back like ten times more. I mean, I was so happy with that message because we had some back and forth with him. It happens. It happens. You know what? I actually – He's got a new show. He's got a new show. I want to talk about this for two minutes, okay? So – oh, wait. I have to shut this. Just give me two minutes, okay, Donny? Two minutes. Okay. This is just a friendly conversation. Everybody's loving everybody. Okay. so what are those is that your door those are the hellhounds yes they're going crazy emery's house the hellhounds they're in the walls somewhere I don't know where they kept them yeah but every now and then a pentagram will open up you'll smell brimstone in the air you're live oh jesus what are we doing here I got some of the old haunts are coming around here it's the haunted house For real, what the hell? Yeah. We're just a special guest on the We Are Pinball podcast. We got Mr. Spooky himself here. He probably loves something cool. Hopefully he doesn't find it. I want to keep all the old posters. I'm just saying hi to Don here because I just – the man's a legend. He's a beautiful person. Oh, gosh. Yes, he is. I'm blushing through the camera here. I just want to make sure you're taking care of the place. Did he pick up all his pinball machines or did you leave some? No, this guy actually, if you believe it, took all of his pinball machines with him. I figured I was rushing him enough that he would leave something behind. Sorry. You didn't leave anything. He suggested strongly that I leave a few, but I was kind of attached to him. Yeah. I know the feeling. I need the space anyway. I'm going to lose you guys, John. How cool is that? This neighborhood, you never know who's going to drop by. Daddy Spooky with his hellhounds. Oh, Donnie, man Yeah, we're going to release episode 45 So everybody can listen what's going on with you and Spooky It's so cool So where were we? We were at the Orbital Orbital Albert Agar It's so, I'm so bad with names Yeah Can I I want to call him Alberto Alberto It's much, much easier for me Just Alberto, that's Orbital Albert Agar Alberto Si, es muy facil So yeah, let's go with that So we had a small Aqui hier tenemos hablamos espanol Esta bien You want to talk about language Don't get me started baby So okay Let's just use two minutes on this And let's just close everything Because I heard that he was Angry about one thing And it's just a misunderstanding so we just read on one of our episodes long time ago just a mail where we read a question like it and the mail was why is this guy so angry at you did you hurt his family did you hurt his kids and albert understood it like somebody wants to hurt his kids or something and that's not the case we have to address that it was just a mail we were reading okay people one of them was like what What happened because of these things Albert said in some five shows of his or something? To be clear, nobody said they want to hurt no one from here, no kids, no nothing. If Albert knew what I'd do for a living, then he will know I'm the most peaceful guy and I'm helping people for the government over here. It was just a mail we were reading. I just want to say, God bless your kids, or if you have one kid, Albert, God bless your kid. Or if you have no kids, then make some kids, buddy. Just God bless them. Nothing bad from here. Please do not miss on that. If it irritated you that we did read that mail where it says, what happened? Did you hurt his family or his kids? If that irritated you, I'm sorry. We shouldn't have read that. So I just want to have everything positive, clear. Right, Tony? Isn't that – Nobody hurt anybody's kids. How about that? No, no, no, no, no. Nothing like that. Because this guy, from that, he just – I have so much respect for a guy that does what Albert is doing right now. So he goes in and deletes some of the hateful things he said. He deletes them. He did those shows. That's number one. Number two, he says sorry to you. He says sorry to me. Number three, I just listened to that show. He says our show was the greatest we did. He said that he often has beef with other content creators. So he would look at himself because there's always two to tango, right? But he can acknowledge what's going on and he wants to work with it. I have so much respect for stuff like that. He jumps into my YouTube video, watches my Stern Star Wars review. He goes in and writes great video jingles, nice with shots on layout, keep up the good work. And my heart melts when people are like that towards me. I want to give this guy so much back. I want to give him like 10 times back, but I'm still not satisfied. Because when people are like that, I get so emotionally whatchapot. is the biggest freaking softy, man. Don't let his imposing stature fool you, man. He's so kind to me. Ask any of his girlfriends, you know, because they can't even ask each other because they don't know about each other. Come on, pick some beautiful Viking ladies. Just be friendly, and I will love you ten times back. It's hard in life to rise up to the top by strictly just holding other people down. Exactly, Donnie. Yeah, put that on a dish towel. The way, I mean, he's just, this guy just blossomed, man. And on top of that, like, he just jumped into our patron and supporting us. So, thank you. And, I mean, watch his show. Give me the exact name because I'm so bad with names. It's the Pinball Nerds Podcast. And I'm going to sip a little bit of angry alpaca tea in his honor tonight. Okay. Pinball Nerds Podcast. Yeah, that's over at the Poor Man's Pinball Network. Yeah. Going to listen to Orbital Albert Agar AKA Alberto Alberto okay So only peace love and harmony Oh wait man Oh Donnie I called you like So Canada Walked for like 29 minutes Because Albert made a show About him And said you know Angry stuff against Canada And on that show, Albert says that he assumed that I recorded what he was saying and sending videos to Canada and stuff like that. Albert, buddy, you said sorry. It's okay. But next time, or if you ever assume that I sit down like a fucking douche and recording an open free show and sending to others, just if you assume stuff like that, just hit me up. Just say, what the heck is going on? And let's talk about it because, of course, I didn't do anything like that. But that's over. But Kaneda was very angry, so he went on live. Kaneda was angry? Yeah, he was so angry at this. That's against brand for him. Glenn and Alberto. So, Donnie, he walked. I wasn't there at the live moment, but I listened to the show like four hours later. And when I saw the show, it had so many burning comments. And I was like, what the hell is going on here? So I was driving my car and I was listening. He had a drink in his hands in his hand Chris Caloris So he walking He is smacking old Rachel Albert for 29 minutes like he ripping him a new asshole It's just out of this world. He goes bananas on this guy. I'm a pretty strong man with a drink in my hand. Dude, for 29 minutes I'm like, okay, Albert is going to go bananas. and you should see all the comments. People are like, whoa. Oh, listen, I'm on Albert's Patreon. I heard the backlash. Oh, okay. I didn't listen to that part, but I was like, when this, I listened like four or five hours later, I was like, I don't think Albert listened to that show of Kaneda's because later that day, like 10 hours later, we had a talk, and I said, did you hear Kaneda talking? He says something like he has got like 700 subscribers and Albert only has 100 subscribers. He's a poor guy. This is not what I'm saying, okay? Please, it's hard for me to say stuff like that because I'm not a billionaire, but I could never say another guy's poor. It's not in my vocabulary or what's it called. It was just so freaking Canadian, you know? A lot of the stuff that comes out of that guy are things like it would never even occur to me to waste time on or even conjure up. I contacted you. He's definitely a unique individual. And you couldn't find it or something, and I jumped in, and he deleted it. But I think if Orbital Albert listened to that, he would go Orbital, man, completely. at all. We don't need anybody going off the hinges. Oh, shit. As entertaining as that is when it's recorded. So, when we do this, our listener, I want them, from the get-go, they have to leave the show with positive thoughts. So, what we're talking about here is, let's do something so it just ends up being positive. It's, I mean, this is just pinball love, pinball happiness. When we record, Donnie, now, okay, we're not prepared this time. We're just, you know, freestyling. When we record, I often think about, when we press that record button, I often think about, oh, I didn't press record on video, so this is audio only. I'm sorry. Okay, I can put my shirt back on then. Oh, my God. We had Mr. Emery in there. I didn't record it. Yeah. But when we start this, Donnie, I always think about Jamie, man. Jamie Burchill, he goes these long walks, and he says on his show, he listens to WAP, and he has this laid-back, positive attitude of happiness. I always think about what he says. It's just so good. Yeah, we should try to live the Jamie way, maybe with less nicotine pouches, but yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh, when you say nicotine, we got one of the questions. Are we sponsored by nicotine chews now or snus or whatever the hell that stuff is? Do you guys consume any kind of substances? What substances? What does this mean? Alcohol, fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, you know, the good, good, the grind, grind. You mean drugs? Don't say that word. We'll get canceled. But you know, dude. I don't do drugs, man. I think no way. When I say to my son he's not allowed, then I cannot do stuff like that either. He's not even allowed to drink energy drinks in this home. So no, I don't consume no substances. Yeah, same. And it's not because I couldn't. I mean, I'm cool enough that I've been offered. It's never been something that occurred to me that it's something I want to do. And I think that may be because just about every single person in my family growing up was on every substance, like every substance. And so it seemed like, you know, when you're a teenager and you want to rebel against your parents? Well, the way that I rebelled was by not doing any drugs at all. So that way I was like, you know, not into all the stuff they were into. Just like my kid doesn't like pinball because it's what dad likes, right? So it's like dad liked drugs, explosives, weapons, and such other activities. And so I was just like, well, I'm not going to be into that because that's what he's into. That was just me. Fortunately, I think it worked out because, yeah, who knows, man? Who knows? Have you tried anything? No. I mean I had some kind of gummy once a couple of years ago, and I don't know if it was like Delta 9 or whatever. But I was like maybe this will spur my creativity. and instead I just kind of had like the weirdest night ever and not in like a pleasant way. I remember like – I thought the stuff was supposed to like calm you down and let you sleep. But all I remember is like waking up and walking around at night thinking like, my head is so far at the top of my body from the floor that like this could be dangerous. Like so I think it took me 20 minutes to walk to the bathroom because I was being so careful not to fall because I was like – my head is like five feet something above the ground and I don't know. It was just strange. do you think i mean i saw on the news weird you said yeah you danish news eyes and before they announced this they said if you have kids in the living room you know make sure they don't watch this but we're gonna show one of the big i think it was in seattle or something a big city in america and they wanted to show us people that uses fenton fenton fenton all fentanyl yeah yeah Fentanyl, yeah. So they showed it to us, us in this tiny, tiny country with like five, six million people. And we saw Americans that were just bent over and they were just standing and sleeping. No, it's rough. Yeah. Like, I mean, this is the type of drug that's used when you just should be sedated in a hospital bed, right? This isn't a drug that you should take and then try to go be out in society because there's no way you're going to function. You know how you get, is it in pill form? Is it in, you know Yeah, you can ingest it the same way As you can ingest heroin or morphine Or any other opioid type Substance It's just, it's like a refined form Of morphine, it hits the same receptors The same receptors that normal Endorphins of your body hit It's just very highly attuned It has what we call a high affinity For those receptors So really drugs only work because they plug into that chemical receptor in your body and trigger a signal okay and uh this one triggers the hell out of them right to the point that just a very small amount gives you the same effect as a much larger dose of like a morphine or something like that but why don't they just fell down because they are standing up on their legs but their back is just bent over you know their heads are down at their feet on the tv i don't know in real life right they're just standing and sleep. You're a doctor. How does this work? It was interesting for me. For us in Europe, it was like, what the? It's because of drugs. Yeah. So, okay, like if you were thinking. Usually if they take something, they just fall aside and sleep. But this was odd. It was zombie looking, you know, if you know what I mean. The other thing is you really don't know what it is they took, you know, because, you know, when you get something here, at least in the U.S., you have an idea of what's on the package is what's in the drug. When you're getting something from the street, when you're buying it from Scratchy Pete, you have no idea what you're getting. Even if it looks like the same stuff you got last week from the same Scratchy Pete, who knows what's in there? Who knows what amount is in there, what potency is there, what affinity is there? So, yeah, it's probably a mix of all kinds of stuff is what it is. And fentanyl is in absolutely everything now because you could go through the trouble of making up a kilogram of methamphetamine, and then if you put in a couple of grams of some fentanyl or something, maybe now you have two kilograms of product that you can sell that will take somebody to an alternate reality, but it won't give them the same potency as whatever they thought they were getting. So it's just being added in to dilute everything and make more yield for people. It's more concentrated, so you don't need as much by volume for the same doses, if that makes sense. Here we go, buddy. That was a very educated doctor-ish answer. Don's Drug Podcast. Let's get on it. Do you think, this is the second time we get a question like this, do you have a feeling of the pinball hobby in general that those people are into drugs? Do you think they are smoking marijuana or what's it called? Oh, God, man. I don't know stuff like that. I tried coffee. I tried coffee. Coffee was so good, but I wanted to drink it every day, and after a month, I dropped it. I don't want to be addicted to anything. Yeah, so I mean the functional drugs, the drugs that you can use, the substances you can use but still be functional in society, still have a job, pay your bills and all that stuff. Some people find various forms of the marijuana THC preparations beneficial for them. So I'm sure there is an abundance of that in a certain segment. And for the right people, it seems to give them a little bit of a mellow, the same way that some alcohol would. A lot of people play tournaments and they have a couple of alcoholic drinks just because it takes that kind of like that anxiety away a little bit. It lets you relax a little bit. Because if you're high strung and if you're panic flipping, you're going to be messing up. But if you relax and maybe let that ball hit and dead bounce over, then you can catch it, cradle it, take a little second. You don't have that level of anxiety, so you're just calm. I play my best games when I'm just kind of calm and just flipping around. When I'm in a tournament and I'm really focused on it, that's when I get inside my own head, can't get out, and then you drain. If you're just at home, not in a tournament, you can have the best scores ever. So some people find a substance helpful for that. Other people don't. Everybody's a little bit different. Probably there's some sort of other stimulant use, like an Adderall, which gives kind of an amphetamine-like effect, which can make you a little bit hyper-focused. Adderall, what the heck? I don't know this. Yeah, so I mean this is – classically it's a stimulant, although when used prior to puberty, like in kids, it can add more of that focus and less of the jittery stay up for days. So it's used for attention deficit to just help with focus. But again, some people it's going to help them focus. Some people it's going to drive them right up the wall. But those are probably the substances I would expect to find in a pop. But anything you'd find in a general population too. I mean here in Denmark, I don't feel like it's the marijuana smoking kind of – here in Denmark, we like beer. I mean this is beer drinking country number one I think. But that's about it. I'm not used to it. No other drugs. I mean, personally, like maybe I wouldn't mind an occasional lemon drop martini and then a night of pinball is probably all I would do. And maybe that's twice a year. Last time I drank two beers was when I made a show with Chris Colouris, Canada. I think it was Pinball Machines of 2023 on my YouTube channel where I drank two bottles of big beers and I was drunk of those. And that's two years ago. That's the last time I had some alcohol. That's it. Yeah. If I start drinking, I'm in danger of hugging everybody. I get so – yeah, yeah, yeah. I have the same problem. I get so – I get full of love. You know? Yeah. Everybody gets – You are my best friend. Yeah. I love you. I always have. Donnie, do you know that 80s song that's like Sledgehammer? Have you heard that? Are you kidding? That was like number one in a Top 200 countdown in like 1995 on MTV. And yeah. Peter Gabriel. That song is just in my head. And then I get this message from Chance Hammer. Out with the borders. And that name is just Chance Hammer. I just want to – If you know my name. this one so i just get this message so chance hammer he's at five dollar support level and oh my god the music just makes me so yeah he's at five dollars and then he just i didn't know this was possible he just upped his support level to 25 dollars oh and i was like what the heck This is not possible because pro level is $5 and premium level is $50. We didn't set that $25. Well, Chance went ahead and did. Chance Hammer did it. So thank you, buddy. I don't know how. We're going to call that the Chance Hammer Memorial Patreon support level. Yeah, we're just Chance Hammer, Sledgehammer. We just want to thank you here. Thank you for the upping to $25. I don't know how you did it, but usually we want to thank premium level. but this one needed to have its own thanks. Right, Donnie? Absolutely, 100%. So beautiful, man. But I'm so sad about I didn't press record. We had Papa Spooky in here, man. That's his nickname now, Papa Spooky, man. We'll get him back. Alberto Papa Spooky, full of love and happiness. All right, all right. Let's go in and check out this Kinetis' list, okay? Sure. And Colin, thank you for being active on our WAP talk, buddy. It's so cool. So Colin made this on Kineticist. Table of content with pictures of everything 1995. All right. So he starts from number 19 and goes upwards. Colin says, at number 19, Mario Andretti from Gottlieb race cars. At number 19. Is this the same one that was rethemed for the U.S. as like NASCAR? Or was that an F1? Donnie, it's a Gottlieb pinball machine. Oh, okay. There's one Gottlieb pinball machine that's worth using time on. So, yeah, this one at number 19, no one cares. Okay. So let's just jump down to 18. Okay. So we're going down to number 18. It's another Gottlieb. But this one is okay for a Gottlieb. and it's Waterworld. Have you played Waterworld? Oh, my God, the Valdez? Yes, dude. So, yeah, this is a game just like Baywatch. Like, whenever I see it, I got to play it one time. Waterworld. I mean, Waterworld was, you know, when it came out back in early 90s, mid-90s, it had a huge production million dollars something, and they just jumped over that number with 90 millions more, and when it hit the cinema, it just tanked. So it had, you know, huge talk and, you know, play the game. It's not – for a goddamn game, it's okay. Coming in at number 18. I'm looking at the backlash for this Mario Andretti, and he looks just like Jackie Chan. Take a look at the backlash for Mario Andretti. That's Jackie Chan in a racing suit. Yeah, and some F1 racing cars. Yeah. I never owned this game. I didn't pay attention to Gottlieb games. Yeah, I wouldn't go out of your way to try to own this. It isn't, yeah. Waterworld I would own before that. Valdez, when it tips over, so fun, man, so fun. Yeah, man, yeah. And, you know, it has got, Gottlieb has got a lot of stuff on their play field. So, yeah, yeah, at number 18. So he goes down at number 17. I have a list of Stinker Of pinball machines that I would never Touch and this is one of them Shag attack from Godlieb Oh my have you played Shag attack No I don't think so Oh my god There is this trainer Hit the basket Hit the basket Hit the basket Hit the basket Shut the fuck up and it just shouts at you, hit the basket. And, you know, sports and pinball is like beer and shit, you know. It's just sports and pinball doesn't work. Sports and pinball doesn't work. So my list goes, Shaq Attack, never buy that shit. Wow. Wow. Never from Godley. Fire from Belly Williams, 1986. I want to like this game so bad, but Shaq Attack? No, no, fire. Fire is. You know, we had this fire. We were together. I think we were three or four friends in there. We tried to, you know, take this fire out and play. And the call outs were like. And Jay, he was like, I think this is German chips. So the call outs are in German. Yeah. On fire, right? So another friend, he went in and got the English ROMs, English everything, and put it in, and it was still blah, blah, blah. So it's just so bad gameplay. It's bad. Everything is bad on fire. Everything is bad on Shack Attack. Everything is horrible on Hurricane. Bella Williams' Hurricane, it's so freaking bad. Don't buy Hurricane. And the last game on that list is Junkyard 1996. It's a piece of shit Wow, we'll fight about Junkyard I've had good games on that Junkyard is so bad, man It's In 1996, you know I have all this Unusable knowledge about what was going on With Pinball Back then, so In 96, they didn't sell 95, when Playstation 1 Came out, people stopped Going outside, they wanted home entertainment in the mid-90s. So by 96, Pimble was almost dead. Their numbers were from 15,000 sold to 3,000 games only. So on that game, they had to pull out a lot of stuff. So it's a very barren game, Junkyard. Just, it's a stinker of a game. Are we still on the Kineticist list? Or did you jump over to your crap list? Yeah, just my crap list. I think Shack Attack should be the worst game. I have played Shagged. I have owned Shag Attack. And I have played Waterworld. I would say Waterworld is much better than Shag Attack. Let us scroll down to number 16. What do we got? We're still at Godleap in 1995. It's Big Hurt, a baseball game. Oh, man. Yeah, I can't get into these sports titles. Sports and pinball. You know what? Some people say, going to a tournament, playing pinball is like a sport. I mean, you're pushing two buttons, buddy. So, yeah. Donnie, what is this with male and female tournament? Why? It's like playing chess, male and female for themselves. Why? You're just pressing two buttons. There was this discussion on one of the Facebook pages, and I was like, why aren't they, why don't we play together? You don't need strength. If you push a pinball machine, you will tilt. So one of the answers. I don't think it's about that. No, listen to this one. One of the answers was men, oh, what's it called? The irritated woman. Yeah. It has a name. Yeah, no, I think that works. Not irritated. They said something. They do something. Harass. They harass women on tournaments. I mean, what the heck, guys? Leave those ladies alone. You're at a tournament. Be kind. Be respectful. What the hell is wrong with you? I mean, if you see at a tournament a guy that harasses a lady, just throw him out. That's a problem, yeah. Yeah, just throw him out, man. That's not a man. He's not prepared, raised by his parents. So I think men and women tournaments should just be together. It has nothing to do with height or strength. You just push two buttons. That's it, man. Let's just, you know, be together. Love and happiness. That's how I feel, Daniel. What do you feel about it? That sounds good to me. Yeah. What else you got? Don't interrupt the ladies. Include them, man. They're the best. All right. We are down at number 15. Oh, I have a question. Do you think Kineticist makes lists like this for every year? Have you seen another list like this? Top list? I have not, but given an infinite amount of time, I bet we'll see them. I hope Colin will do stuff like this because this is fun. So at number 15 he has a Sega game in there Apollo 13 What do you think about Apollo 13 It got that 13 multi right Yes I never gotten to it It has got, I mean, first time you experience that rocket that comes up and fires off 13 balls, it's madness. They just fell down and they just go straight down the middle. It's a gimmick, right? That game has an issue That says It has got too many shots Which means shots are Too tight It's just a brick Of a game I like the theme But I really don't like the gameplay of Apollo 13 I bought it three times Throughout 20 years I really tried It's not a good game What's going on with the art on the plastic of the three ladies on the right hand side That looks really weird. It's not taken at a flattering angle. Look at the backlash. They have all the actors except Tom Hanks, so he has the space suit on because they couldn't pay him the money. His face is just covered. That's clever. That's something I would think of. Yeah. So Apollo 13 is not a better game than Waterworld. But, yeah, Colin says it's at number 15. All right. I want to like that game. I don't like that game. Let's go down to number 14. Now, this is the only DMD era good game from God Leap, which is Stargate. Oh, yeah. Stargate is fun. Yeah. Shoot the Pyramid. Shoot the Pyramid. Shoot the Pyramid. God. I think it's the same guy from Shag Attack. Shoot the Pyramid. Yeah. Shoot the Pyramid. This game has got a lot of toys in the play field. Yeah. I want to find another one. Hopefully there's one at Expo. I'd like to play Stargate some more. I considered buying one of these. It popped up near me, and it was like $3,400, and I think I needed some work. And I was like, I don't have a game from that era, maybe. But, yeah, at the time, I didn't know how to really repair them. Colin says, Stargate is a weird pinball machine, which makes sense, as it's based on the equally wild sci-fi film directed by Roland Emmerich. However, like the movie, it's interesting enough to get you in the gate, at the gate. Blah, blah, blah. Go in and read it. Number 14, I think when you see this game at a show at Expo, try it. I mean, because it has got all the toys and, yeah, it's an okay game. It's not a, you know, top ten game, but it's an okay game. I like it. Yeah. All right. What's next? I'm pulling up the list. Number 13. Yeah. It's a Sega. Batman Forever. Have you played this game? Yeah, quite a bit. Not a bad game. Love that movie. It's got a lot of shots in it. Yeah. White body. Yeah. White body. And it has got the big screen. Have you seen that? Very big screen. It's still a dot matrix style, but yeah, big screen. Yeah. I don't like that curve. Four games. I think they made four games with big screens, and this is one of them. Rams are green powder coated Everything is you know fluorescent green in there I own this game a couple of times I love the movie I don't like Batman Because he's not a superhero Batman doesn't have no superhero Does he have anything Any skills Does he have anything Batman He's got exceptional detective skills And then he's got gadgets And he's freaking Batman And this movie was phenomenal. And when it came out, we waited outside. They opened the theater. We went inside. And as soon as they showed the credits, like Jim Carrey's name came up there. It was like everybody was like, yes. Arnold is in there. Not in this one. No, no. Isn't it this one with Arnold? No, this is. Where he is Mr. Freeze? Yeah, no, that's Batman and Robin. This is Batman Forever. Oh, yeah. This is Riddler. And this is Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face. Nicole Kidman. Yeah. Yeah, and this was – Val Kilmer was the Batman. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, yeah. No, because George Clooney started afterwards, yeah. George Clooney was with Arnold. I remember that. Yeah, that's Batman and Robin. That one is fucking awful. Isn't this one with the girl from As If? What, Alicia Silverstone? No, that was Batman and Robin, I think. I don't know. Did she come in as Batgirl in this one? I'll have to check. but she was in like she was in batman doesn't have no superhero i mean hulk is hulk you know right you know iron man no it's his dude batman's a detective man has batman is a detective with great gadgets and a lot of money and clever skills and a lot of money yeah i never liked batman but i'm the biggest fan of superman that's my superhero yeah i'm the opposite superman is the most boring guy i can imagine superman is the best superhero nobody can beat superman yes he's invincible three guys come on pick your top three guys yeah so uh i don't know batman and probably another batman and then an animated batman oh come on superhero can just stand 100 feet over them and just you know blast them with his laser eyes and freeze them and take them and fly them up to the moon and put them there. Yeah, he's just overpowered, and that's boring. You know, I just don't care. Spider-Man? Hell yes. Give me some Spider-Man. I love Spider-Man. Donnie, when I was like eight or something, I only knew about Superman II. That's it with Christopher Reeve. I never watched the other ones, so I just know. And it was from the middle on VHS tapes. Those are bad. With German dub, you know. My daddy copied it from the TV, you know. So first time I watched Superman 2, I was like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. The music's good. I put on a jacket up here and just opened the windows, and I ran, and I jumped out of the window. I was halfway out the window as an 8-year-old kid, and I just felt my dad is the biggest guy here. He just grabbed my neck, bam, took me in again, and was like, you cannot fly. But Superman can. Still remember it. Yeah, yeah. We've all done it. I jumped off my roof with, like, a plastic shopping bag on, like, as a backpack. And I went up to the roof and jumped off multiple times. What the hell, Danny? We're not normal. Yeah, but this game, it's better than the others. I think it's fair at number 13. I'd say it's better than Waterworld, but still not a great game. And the next one is definitely not a good game. Number 12, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Million! Have you played it? There was a contest, like a raffle or something at Pentastic to win one of these, and I specifically did not enter because I couldn't imagine having this machine in my house. I hate it. Dude, it has got the big screen. That's the first thing. Yeah. The second thing, the integration from the film is there. And I watched this film at the cinema As a 13 year old kid And it was scary as shit Have you watched this movie? No He takes a lady and Revives her With all this shit on her face And she looks at the screen She looks like a Frankenstein And she's more scarier than Frankenstein And she's just crying She cannot talk anymore She got revived And she starts burning her hair and kills herself. It was so freaking scary, man. You have to watch this movie. No, that sounds pretty good, actually. It's a spook. I think Spooky Luke and Buck, they would love this movie. I mean, yeah, you have to watch this movie, Donnie. But you have to have your mindset back in the 90s with that kind of production. I just hate the head and it's just go, Frankenstein. It's stupid. I can't. But it's good. It's Robert De Niro, man. He finds this book and he learns from the alphabet and he goes down to F and he reads, family or father. And he's like, who is my father? Why am I here? And then he, oh, watch the movie. Dude. I'd rather watch the movie than play this game. This game, you can press left button or right button when you start the game. If you want the movie music or, you know, Sega's own music, it's cool. So you have two sound modes. You can grab the balls and throw them. And if you take up the pulse to the maximum, he throws them so hard. So he hits the glass when he throws the ball at you. And when you are in multiball, when you make the million shots, he says, million. It sounds cool. I think it's an okay game. And I think at number 12, it's fine. I want to play it right now. It's not a good game. Don't buy it. But play the next one. I hate it. I can't. You don't like it. It's fair. I love that we disagree. That's cool. Number 11. This is not a popular game. We're going to disagree again. From Bella Williams, Whodunit. Have you played this game? Yeah. Actually, I played it at the Electric Bat, and I like it. It's fun. Yeah. I was going around playing everything at the bat, and then I get to this, and I actually stayed there and played it like two or three times just because I was having a good time, like a legitimately good pinball time with it. Was the volume of the game high enough to, you know, remove all the other sounds so it can... Yeah, I mean, I could reasonably hear it, yeah. And I get it's like kind of a, you know, a mystery caper type game rule set. But the shots were interesting to hit and, yeah, like that like center 180 or that quarter pipe that's in the center there. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun. I If you have this game at home In a dark room With high volume It's only you And this mystery mission of a game You can dive into It's actually pretty entertaining It gets boring fast It's a cheap game It's always out for sale But it's really worth Owning once in your life I like it I like it. Yeah, that was number 11. Let's go down to number 10. This is the Richie Man 1995. No Fear Dangerous Sports. Finally. Finally, we get a game that is actually fun and I would want to have. It's a cool game, man. You know, he taunts you. He talks back to you. That skull that's in the play field. And 95 was all about No Fear. Do you remember those No Fear caps and No Fear stickers on skateboards, on BMX bikes, No Fear everywhere? Yeah, I definitely did not have any of that stuff on me. So where I was at, like I was a skateboarder, and so this was all like the country hit crowd. This was on trucks. This was on dirt bikes. This was not on skateboards unless you wanted to get beat up. Like, yeah, so it was just like cringe. Like, you know, it would be like wearing an Ed Hardy shirt or something. It's like, oh, get out of here, dude. This is gross. The game's amazing. I love the game. Okay, I have a question. Yeah. Is No Fear the ultimate fan layout? Oh, and is it a fan layout? I'm so sick of fan layouts. Every pinball machine's a fan layout in some way. So this game has been, people have been saying this is the ultimate fan layout, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. How can it be fan layout when you have a third flipper at the upper right? Well, if you're making up your own rules, then it's whatever you say it is. I guess it has got you know it's very high up at the upper ramp it has got this jump ramp shot loopable jump ramp shot it's fun that's fun three four times it it act accelerates the ball it has got two three magnets back there and it will just accelerate it gets faster and faster it's so much fun I really like this game you know it's number 10 it's cool wait you know what's cool you know what's cool about this? Steve Ritchie game, no fear, really fun layout, a lot of shots, a lot of speed. This is probably what Sonic the Hedgehog is going to look like from JJP. If that happens with a 360 ramp in there, oh, my God. All right, so imagine no fear with the Star Trek The Next Generation wire form to launch with and that big loop. There you go. There you go. Do you like 180 shots that are in Alien and games like that? In the right game, yeah. In Strange Science, I hate it. In Monsters, it's hard to hit because it goes all the way up a ramp and then 180s. In Jaws, it's perfect because it's only about 2 centimeters or 3 centimeters high, so the ball just whips around so easy. You have to do it on Jaws. You have to give it a clean shot. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be a very fast shot. It doesn't require a lot of energy to get up there. I mean the wave ramp in the back, yes, but I'm talking about just the small one that does the wire return back to you straight up the middle. So I like them like that. I liked it on Evil Dead where just a normal shot up into the orbit will just about go up there every time. So when I don't have to fight the 180 ramp, I like it. On what? When you don't have to fight it. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. I don't know. I'm just not the biggest fan of them. Yeah. But if it's Sonic the Hedgehog, it needs to have this 360 loop, man. It's a must. So, yeah, no fear at number 10. What an awesome game. Collins list. And heck, yeah, it's better than all the other games up to number 19. So, yeah, I fully agree. Let's get down to number 9. Number 9 is another Bella Williams, and it's Dirty Harry. Dirty Harold. Yeah. Do you like this game? Not really. First of all, that backbox with Dirty Harry's nose and mouth, what the heck is going on? It looks like somebody drew on their thumb and put it up there. It looks weird, man. It looks weird. Is this game better than No Fear? No. No. Is it a bit more expensive than No Fear? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I don't know. This game feels so old to me. It's hard to explain. I'd rather play 24 or Lethal Weapon or something. What? Lethal Weapon is a top ten game. I love Lethal Weapon. Because, Donnie, for me, after I got this old here, I'm 46 now. Theme is just everything for me. I would rather play Dirty Harry than Police Force. Police Force. Oh, wait. I like Police Force, man. That game with the animals for some reason? Yeah, I like it. I have a special connection with 80s games. But, yeah, I don't know. Dirty Harry, I know no one that likes this game. Yeah, yeah. Pass. All right, let's get down. Yeah. Number eight. Hey, from Capcom. Pinball Magic. Have you tried this game? Yeah, now we're getting into some really interesting stuff. This is probably somebody's favorite game. The magnetic wand is so cool That's cool Oh, come on First time you experienced that? It's so magical, man Yeah, that's a thing that I see And I'm like, I want to figure out how to trigger that And then I want to do it And then when I do it, I'm like, did you see what I did? Did you see what I did? Yeah, that's cool, I like it It diverses the ball It has curtains that open It has so many toys that interact with the ball I really like this game It's a fun game. We need to get back to these type of games with this kind of magical stuff in them. Yeah. Star Wars doesn't have anything like that in it. No. I mean, Donnie, has Star Wars sold out in the U.S.? No. No? Okay. Yeah, no. I mean, you know, Donnie, Star Wars, man, just the theme should just sell out in 10 minutes. I think that's what they were thinking. And, no, it turns out you actually do have to put some interesting things in there. hey for thirteen thousand dollars jesus yeah yeah yeah it's a lot of money man yeah all right yeah number eight capcom pinball magic wow i like it i like it all right what's next oh my sweet mother of candy yeah all right this is a good one this is a good one come with a number seven sega baywatch come on baby with that big screen lcd yeah yeah so it's all the cheese is there This was, yeah, 95 in a machine Big screen This is another game that every time I see it I go over and play it It's fun, it's where that extra flipper That ended up in Jaws showed up first I like it, I don't know if I'd put it this high In the list You watched Baywatch in the 90s I did not No, this was like To me, this was like Saved by the Bell It was like for 12 year olds That are homeschooled Yes, I watched Saved by the Bell I watched 1902 or something. I watched Beavis and Butthead. I watched the Big Brother videos. I watched skate videos. That's what I was watching. Where is Beavis and Butthead pinball machine? Why didn't no one make it? I know. I don't know. I don't know, man. But the part of Beavis and Butthead was them making fun of the music videos. That was half the show. And you can't do that with the licensing and all that stuff. So it would just be Beavis and Butthead on an adventure. still would be fun, but like – But today we have multiple full-length cinema Beavis and Butthead videos, man. They're movies. I know. They're long movies. They're so fun. That would be fun. All right. Well, if I run into anybody that's got a pinball company, I'll pitch it. Okay. That means that it's not at Spooky because you know the upcoming five games from Spooky. Maybe the next one is Beavis and Butthead. Oh, my – I'll put my name on that one. I would love it. We're not going to sell it in Europe, though. We have our ways, okay? But, yeah, Sega Baywatch number seven. It's an okay. I like that game. It's an okay game. All right. Oh, my God. This is one of the greatest games in the history of pinball that nobody likes. That's so cheap. it's Johnny Mennonick. Johnny Mennonick. I love this game. I think this is George Gomez second game. I think he made Corvette first and then Johnny Mennonick after. This game is so, theme-wise, it's so much 90s for me. Nobody likes the movie. I watched the movie at the cinema. I love all that. I'm making a long-distance phone call. It takes me back to the 90s where you had to get access to make the long distance phone calls. You have to think about 80 gigabyte was so much hard disk space. All that low tech back then is included on this game. And as soon as you start the game, Ball 1, the music it starts, it's so much 90s techno, prodigy, high tech, wannabe. It just takes me back to 99. Take me back to the Paradise City. I love this game. Just, I don't understand is that number six, but nobody likes this game. It's a cheap game, Donnie. Do you like this game, John Mennonic? Yeah, I mean, I've played it. I've played with the hand. I think it's cool. Like, playing with it, I'm like, this thing has to break. But then I talked to some people that have had this game and serviced it on a route, and they're like, we never had any problems with the hand. We had this game in location for 15 years or something. I never repaired that hand. Never, ever, ever, ever. I like it. I like this. I like it that it takes me back to the 90s. I want games from the 90s, themes from the 90s. Love it. All right. Man, this game should be hard. After this, let's see what we have got. Oh, okay. Count it at number five. Another Bella Williams game. This is the first WPC 95 game, and it's called Congo. God, what a freaking phenomenal game. Yes, come on, man. So, Donnie, if we go 10 years back, this game was like dog shit. Nobody wanted this game. All of a sudden, from $2,000, it just went up to $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 game. Something just happened. I think they sold like $3,000 or something of these games. And people were like, we don't like the movie, we don't like the game. But this game, the shots and layout is just buttery smooth. Everything is smooth. There are no breaking shots. Nothing. There's stuff everywhere. Yeah. Call outs. I don't remember his name. The guy from Home Alone, the hotel manager also. Tim Curry Yeah Yeah Harcama something He so fun on his call The music with African ha Something something I like it. I like it. Yeah, Congo's a fun game. I dig it. Yeah, I dig this game. Do you like the under, what's it called? Yeah, the lower play field. It's fun. It's stupid because there's only like one thing to do. Just make Monkey go back and forth. But I like it. I like it. It's fun. You hit those five targets and that's it. Fast and it's done. So, yeah, I like this game. Is it better than Johnny? Yeah, it is. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Number – oh, my God. What the heck? Number four, Indiana Police 500 with racing cars. Is this list based on when in the year they came out? Because, like, why is this one up so high? What am I missing? I don't like this game. You know, when you start a new game It says X-rated engine songs And call us, hey, we have another race Going on out here And it just hypes everything up And you just start playing The first two, three times It's cool, but a week later It's like, get the fuck out of here I don't like this game Yeah, this is absolutely Not better than Kongo No way Yeah, I don't like it Do you like this game? Uh, no. No, no. I've played it, and I don't like the theme. The shots didn't really seem... They're okay. It's a pinball machine, but... I would rather play Batman instead of this. Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know why this is up so high. Get out of here. Again, if F1 racing cars, is that a sport to just sit down and drive? It is a sport, right? I think it's more interesting to... Like, the racing's more interesting than, like, NASCAR is, where NASCAR is just like 500 laps in an oval. These, there are actual tracks and stuff. But there's a million other things I'd rather watch than racing. But if I was going to watch racing, I think F1 is more interesting. Just don't mix pinball with sport. We are lazy guys. We want to drink beer and play some pinball and harass the ladies. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You know, I like – what's that motorcycle dirt bike racing game where it goes up in the cabinet? Oh, from 1988, the first Pat Lawler game? Yeah, yeah. What was it? I can't totally blank it on the freaking name. I was talking about it earlier today. You know what I mean, right? Yeah, yeah. Fuck, dude. The first game Pat Lawler made. I'd rather play that because it's like dirt bike stuff. I don't know why I can't think of the name I was talking about earlier today. I have a block out right now. It's late here. You can see we have no sun. It's dark here, man. Donnie. You know what I mean. You know what I mean. But, yeah, I think, yeah, if I'm playing a racing game, I'm playing that. Yeah. Just don't mix sports with pinball. I mean, what the heck? Okay. Number three. Oh, my. What the heck? Number three is jackpot. Where'd that, why'd that show up? Donnie. jackpot from 1995 is just pinbot from 1986 with three or four modes in the dmd display Banzai Run Banzai Run that's what it was geez yeah that's Banzai Run god that's a fun game that's a racing game that's a sports i guess themed game that's more fun no fear is sports theme that's more fun car racing not Banzai Run have you lifted that game oh it's heavy it's heavy It's heaviest. There used to be one in my basement here. Oh, okay. Then you have lifted it. But yeah, Jackpot. It's a dog of a game. It's a cheap game. Yeah. It's just Pinbot, man. Pinbot with some DMD animations. Next. Next. Boring. How can this be better than... This is a crooked list. How is that better than Kongo and Johnny Monotic? Oh, no. Well, this is Matt Owen was the author of this. Kineticist just published it, so we can blame him for this crap. Okay. We do that. We do that. Okay. So the next game on the list, this is game number two on the list. I love this list. Field of Magic. Yeah. From Bella Williams, 1995. Shoot the trunk. Shoot the trunk, shoot the trunk. Do you like this game? I like this game. I don't love this game. I like Totem better if I'm thinking Pally Williams but this is a hell of a lot better than half this list for sure yeah I play this game too much my ex-wife played this game all the time so when I hear the music I remember all those times she just played and played it reminds me of that shit so I will never play this game and this game when you buy it this game has got the Dracula effect. If you buy a Dracula, the first three weeks, you will be hooked on Dracula. The first three weeks, you will be hooked on Tear of Magic because, you know, it just spikes up. It's just an incredible feeling. But after three weeks, it's just blah. Both games. Yeah. That's how I feel about it. That's about it. All right. Let's jump up to the number uno off this list attack from mars yeah this is gonna take it this is the best game yeah on this list this is the best game so have you owned this game no actually um i mean like i don't i don't think i'd want an old one i'd want to have one of the cgc remakes but i mean i don't love it enough to pay what they're going for so that's where we're at i like the game and it's fun that it's it's been remade it's kind of everywhere you have one near you wherever you live and you know it's it's fun to go up and play and play a game that you can just get 600 million points for not even doing anything i love doing that it's on i think it's still on top 10 list on pin side that's crazy for me i don't i don't think return to battle soldier i oh did you notice that they snuck that call out into Avatar from JJP? I love it. No. Yeah, every now and then, it'll say, return to battle, soldier. I'm like, yes, yes. Awesome. I remember, I mean, I know a lot of people like this game, but if you, the thing is, it has got, as I remember, I have owned this game for a long time, but it has got five or six modes. You just shoot and make these. Yeah, it's very simple. It's a very simple game. Very simple. So five of those modes, you just start a multiball and then hit a roving shot, start Martian multiball, you know, very, very, very easy modes. You know what, and despite it being so easy, this is fan layout, symmetric ramps, shot a basher up the middle. Couldn't be any simpler. One of the highest rated games of all time, right? Simple. Easy games. Fine. Easy games gets highest rated. You know, Walking Dead is not an easy game. It won't be a top ten game ever. It is worth it. Easy games get the highest ratings. Yeah, there's one right now for sale in the Pinside Marketplace for $16,500. What is happening? Attack from Mars. Attack from Mars. What? The issue is when you play this game. Wait, almost $6,000 in upgrades. Mirko Playfield, $1,000. He's charging you for that. Flasher kit Pin sound board UFO topper Okay he just puts a bunch of mods in here And he says he wants $16,000 Is it the UFO flasher kit? It looks like it yeah That's a cool mod Red pop bumper skirts Times three $4.47 He's listing that in the listing Of why this is going for some Come on You know what Tony When you play this game When I've played it 50 or 100 times you make all those five modes in an instant like in a couple of minutes and then you have the last mode which is destroy the ufo uh six times brandenburger gate or in london and blah blah blah and you're just stuck with hitting those stand-up targets dead center hit them hit them hit them and it opens and now you have this hold to the spaceship you have to hit and you destroy it You have to do it six times, and it's just like medieval madness. No, just like medieval madness. It just gets old. You have to hit the middle shot. When you started this hobby, you would love this game. Right now, you're like three years in with thousands of games. You will get tired of this game. Yeah. So freaking fast. $15,000 for the LE. There's three LEs listed. I mean, I guess that's what they go for, but, yeah, I wouldn't be paying that for this. It's too simple of a game. Very fun to play. When I go to the local arcade, this is a game. I'll throw a game on it. And, yeah, this is pretty fun. Yeah, that was good. Let me go get a slice of pizza now. Homeownership. I would rather own Congo before this game or Johnny Mennonick before this game. And it costs nothing compared to. Good. That's the list. I just have one question to you, Donnie. Yes, sir. I just have one question to you. Yes, sir. Colin, thank you for this. This is awesome. make you know from 1990 and onwards this is cool so donnie usually our dear friends at stern they look at the market they see these games that are listed for a lot of money they're looking and they're like look at this jurassic park for 19 000 for an ellie look at this stranger things Ellie for $18,000. Let's destroy them and make our own remakes so we get that money. Right? Yeah. The thing is, and they're entitled to do that, nothing bad there. The thing is, since the start of the history, Walking Dead Pinball Machine has never been a $18,000 game. Yeah, so I was looking at this and I'm like, they should remake Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro. They did. They should remake Munsters. They haven't. They should remake Ghostbusters for the same reason. But yeah, Walking Dead, there's not this built-up demand. So was it that they were like, well, we can just get the license again pretty easy. So do you think there's demand for it? But yeah, not like there was with Black Knight or some of the other ones. So weird option, weird choice. I don't get it. Personally, it's my top five game. I mean I love playing this game I love the code I love everything about it But I just don't get why they are Remaking it Do you think it will sell you know A thousand of these I don't know about a thousand No I just hope they will remake the pro version Only Also sorry Not premium only but pro also Because you have the whole game in the pro Right So please turn and don't do black and white. Oh my God, I cannot. Have you seen the best game in the world, Godzilla in black and white? Yeah, it didn't look very good. Oh, come on. Everything was pink. Yeah, no. Yeah, don't do black and white. Yeah. So, yeah. So, at Expo, we are thinking about seeing the Walking Dead remake, remastered I think it's called, right? No, it's not going to be there. It's not going to be there? No. Okay. No. But we will have some other games We'll have Predator's going to be there And the Big Trouble in Little China Homebrew Yeah What do you think about that homebrew game? That looks phenomenal Yeah For homebrew? Hell yeah Yeah So that guy Enlisted a lot of top talent too As far as like The artists The topper was made by a company Brian Allen did the play field Randy Martinez did the art plays What do you think about the art on the play field? I like it man It's so – It looks very Brian Allen. Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. It's very characterized, but it all matches. I think I would have preferred more realism like we see, like a Christopher Franchi kind of guy, where it looks like the real characters with all the colors mixing together. But, yeah, it's the Brian Allen style like we see with these redone backglasses that he's done. So, yeah, that works. I don't know if I love the backglass art as much. I kind of wish he would have just carried through and did all the arts and all matched but it's a homebrew man this knocked it out of the park this looks great so some people are like it's a homebrew I can never own it some homebrew people are getting jobs as designers can you believe that yes maybe a gateway I mean this guy I'm looking at right now this beautiful Donnie here you designed the game you stole the IP like Zelda Yeah, that's true. And you were so friendly with Spooky. You just kissed with the big daddy Spooky over there. I saw it. And you got the job over there. Donnie, so I don't know how much we can talk about this. Let's just end up with, I mean, we talk every day. I mean, for the last couple of days, you have been at Spooky. It's been fun. What did you do in there? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Give us some tidbits, man. Yeah, I went from kind of just – Did you screw anything on a play field? Did you help with some design? Did you do anything? A hundred percent, yes. Yeah, no, my hands got wet. Yeah, I went from being just like a friend that's just kind of hanging out to like, let's screw some things on a play field. Okay, we'll come up with some ideas. What do you got? You know, all right, meet back tomorrow. Bring some ideas. Let's get them on here. And so, so far, I'm kind of proud of myself. I can't talk about the project I'm working on when it's coming out, if it's ever coming out, what the theme is or anything. But I did kind of take a new take on a prior existing little mechanistic part of pinball, and I found a new way to implement it that for now ended up in the game. And it looks like it's going to be a pretty fun little feature. So that's cool. I love it. That's cool. I love it. Yeah, and this would be kind of cool to do this, and I think it would fit, and I think you're right. and then uh you know kind of also brainstormed out of there another just a totally interesting concept um for you know uh a future endeavor so yeah uh there's there's stuff in there that i've done so that's cool that's cool i dig it i dig it and i'll be able to talk about all this at some point and i'm cataloging everything and like keeping track of what i'm working on and now the whole process because this is going to be fun to talk about you know when i fully can um but uh Yeah, to put in some magic in the game. Yeah, this is going to be fun. It's going to be fun. I'm so sad I'm not recording this because I want everybody to see how your face is lighting up. I can see your hand movements, your excitement and everything. I would have shown – I want to show this to the people, man. But I'm so happy you're in there. We have this area. I know you have this. But what if we change it in this way and then mechanistically could do this but also this as well? Hey, that's cool. So now it's back to actually fabricating, and then we're going to see if it works and if it's fun. And if it's fun, it probably is going to stay and might show up in other games too. Yeah, awesome, man. So you're a co-designer. But, Tony, now when you're a company man, you have to act professional. When content creators are saying shit about you, you have to smile back. so once you see you you have you have to be donnie you cannot you you so like okay so i you have to smile back you have to be neutral with canada now i didn't completely run away and like join the circus like i didn't sign a contract and now i'm doing pinball design full time and like coordinating a team and everything and it's all on that this is very much just like additive to what i'm already doing right so um yeah no i'm still gonna do my podcast and talk shit about bad products and people that scam people in the industry for sure you know what as far as like listeners if you like a game buy it if you don't like it like don't buy it you know uh whatever that's fair but what i'm saying is look at all the companies everybody i'm just taking an example with canada others can do this also but when companies are getting bashed they're just smiling back. You have to be this professional look and just smile back. You have to be neutral with Kaneda now. You have to. What does that mean? Does that mean I can't throw drinks in faces anymore? I'm not doing that anyway. No. What am I doing now that I suddenly can't do? That's not something I would do anyway. Oh, Don, you've got to quit harassing teenagers on Fortnite. It's like, I'm not doing that. You've got to stop throwing fecal matter at pedestrians when you're driving. I already don't do that. But please, never stop doing podcasts just because you're designing games. No, that's not even part of this at all. I'm still doing my cast, of course, man. Our conversations always end with WAP forever, right? Yeah, this is first and foremost. I'm only doing stuff if it's fun. I'm only doing stuff if I can be helpful. I'm not going to cram myself in where I'm obviously not wanted or anything. So this is just kind of a natural outgrowth here and an opportunity to do some really cool stuff, man, really cool stuff. So I moved down here now. Well, I'm in the process. It's going to be over several months of getting down here full time. But, yeah, dude, it's rad down here. All my friends are down here. We're doing cool stuff. Southern Wisconsin has got it going on. I got a million acres of corn in my backyard. Not mine, but I get to play with it, so that's cool. Corn the guy. There's so much corn. Like there's an unreasonable amount of corn outside. Wow, man. There's like 100 hectares or whatever. There's several square kilometers of corn in my backyard. We call it hectare in Denmark. Yeah, I got hella hectares, dude. I got hectares out the ass. I went into the corn, nearly got lost. It was amazing. Oh, my. It reminds me of the movie Signs with Mel Gibson. Yeah, dude. With all the corn and aliens. I could go film that out here. Did you see Field of Dreams? The Kevin Costner movie, cornfield, baseball players came out of it? No. Field of Dreams. Okay. It was filmed the next state over from where I'm at. Kevin Costner was kind of a psycho or maybe severely depressed or something, a farmer guy in a farmhouse surrounded by corn, and he built a baseball field because voices told him to do it. And then all of a sudden dead baseball players came out of the corn and they would play games and then it became like a thing and it's kind of like a surreal feel-good movie. But when you break it down, it's probably just a man with mental illness alone in the corn. But they filmed that here. It's a cool movie if you want to check it out. It's baseball. And Daddy Emery left the movie studio too, right? Yeah, Charlie Emery was just in here. He just like popped by. What a guy. Yeah, so we have a theater in home. So I'm trading the basketball court for a theater, which I'm all here for. Did you leave all those horror posters and movies? There's some of them. There's cool spooky stuff here, too, that was just, I guess, didn't make it in the move, and I'm happy to have it. So there's like relics. Oh, love, you bought the man's house, man. Dude, I was in the shed in the back, and there's like a relic from America's Most Haunted, like a piece of equipment that they made for when the game first started. It's just like sitting in the shed and I'm going to turn it into an end table. It's awesome. It's so cool. Like if you like pinball, like this is the place, man. Yeah. Okay, guys. This has just been a conversation with Don and I. This wasn't your plan. We're going to make a WAP episode. But I'm anxious to know what people think about this. Just a phone call talk, just a friendly talk between two friends. but if you want more info about what's going on with Donnie and Spooky we will unlock show number 45 and you can enjoy it in there, you get all the details in there with a show on top of that yeah so let's end the show by saying thank you to everybody that listens thank you to the continuous support we're getting on Patreon, thank you to the new supporters, love peace and harmony the reason I talked about Kaneda and just be neutral. I want anybody to get along and just be friendly, man. That's just how I am, Donnie. That's reasonable, I think so. Yeah, and you know, I'm sure me and Kaneda will be besties by the end of the week and everything's going to be completely amazing. Expo's coming up in a week. I'll be doing live streams from there. I'll tell you, we'll meet in the hotel room and we'll go over all the fun stuff and how Predator actually... How am I getting to play Predator before you? How is that fair? How? Can Enzo have Predator in Australia And I still don't have it over here I don't get it Why do they hate you? That must be it It's all the help They hate all the help Alright we'll see what Pinball Brothers has for the future From Don and Cengiz This was a conversation Enjoy