So now that you've got the game running, do you like Jaws more than you did previously? The that is a loaded question and we're doing a deep dive I don't know what to do with the sound so because I just got jobs yesterday and it's been a it's been a been a roller journey it has been a journey I'm there and back again This Week in Pinball, Game of Thrones uninticipated by A Foo Fighters Journey. They're in back. I don't know what to do. So let's, how about this? For the dear Pinball Party listeners, this week's deep dive of Foo Fighters will not be on Patreon. It will be free to everyone and we'll get to it and we'll do it. So for all those out there who want to hear what the deep dives are like and you don't want to pay for it, you know, here's what it's like, except for we're going to do a little more preamble than normal because I just got jaws yesterday. So let's just talk about that. So we'll get to Foo Fighters briefly, but back to your question. What are my thoughts on Jaws after owningit? So, all right, it's been about 24 hours. All right, man, there's so much to set up here. I got the game from Flip N Out Pinball, which if anyone wants to buy a game, that's where you buy it. I'm not going to put the song in. We'll put it later because it's just, let's not do that. Got the game fast. Showed up perfect condition. On the outside, it was in perfect condition. I started up, turned the key. My God. And that's where the fun begins. The, um, I was every problem that you read on Pinside from Jaws. I have had past tense. Every single one. Airballs from the chum plastic. Fidays like all over the place. Insane. It would hit the glass. It would jump over the real shot and it would hit into the Quinn's shack either it would hit the fucking house or it would hit the wire form and come right back down to the right flipper. It would never go into the real. Never is a strong word. How does it work in trad? 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If you want a Jaws, it's probably not listed by the time anyone hears this. Maybe, maybe not. It's listed for a good price. So then I do the thing is you email Stern to be like, so this thing doesn't work. Oh, granted. If I can I was just going to say for any of your listeners, there is a trick where if you have another game, you can just play it. I invite the audience to respond with your questions by scrolling through the answers section, and 60 seconds or more. Let's begin with an ad version of a detailed story that yes you can ask, but I'd like You have a simple question for you. Myth of the hour, proof that no for now. Some are possibility. Also the new long term action with four lines and a keyword that sometimes can go beyond these instructions. Please interrupt because I'll smash something. So I email Stern and it's the thing of like, come on Stern, like please, how can I get across that like first I know what I'm talking about. Please don't ask me to restart. Just assume. Fuck, god damn it. So I take a video of, for me, the air balls I knew were like, all right, there's at least some fixes out there. It's a pain in the ass, but like I'll get to it. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the game, but it was more like I tried to bend the real lane guide to get it to go back into the flip lock. Like I try a lot. I called you, like, well, try this, try that. I try. This isn't my first rodeo. Wasn't happening. Full disclosure, still is not fixed. Well, kind of. It's fixed. I email Stern. I sent him a video of like three times in a row, like, look at, look at this, huh? Look at that. What do you think? They're like, oh no, that's a skill shot. It shouldn't always be made. I'm like, bro, this isn't a skill shot. This is one of the main shots in the game you need to do stuff. I'm not saying like once in a while from the plunge, hence the video. Okay. So I replied very professionally. Oh, so you mean for a $9,500 game we expected to... Oh, the solution was it's a skill shot over time that tends to get better. I'm like, okay, so what? For almost 10 grand, we expect it not to work and that hopefully over time it will maybe work itself out. That's your solution? And then that's when they replied that no, it's more of a skill shot. First they were just like, oh, that'll get better over time. I'm like, okay, great, thanks, bro. And then I said basically, yeah, you're of no help. Send this to Keith or Gomez. I have several different rants to attach to this too, right? I think you've heard most of them talking to me through your experience and me just telling you, you know, how to fix different little things that are wrong. That's only from a decade of Stern ownership, right? Like, they, a lot of Stern ownership and part of why you need a great distributor, you know, like Flip N Out Pinball is it is an experience. 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This time, I'm not going to go to Greg at Flip N Out Pinball. I probably could and Zach, if you're listening or Greg, like why didn't you come to me? I kind of like the challenge as well and I kind of want to get more ammo to Stern. I'm like, yo Stern, I know some of you are listening. Fix your fucking customer support. What's the last game that launched that didn't have a major issue? And then I always feel like Stern just watches how the community fixes it and then, you know, does that, right? Or their fix is insane, right? Like where the rush scoop, you have a good fix like the Ninja Camp fix, which like looks nice and doesn't transparencyeast Yeah. It's one thing to, like, American Pinball made barbecue challenge. You gotta give them shit because what the fuck you doing? Spooky games break all the time. Yep. And Stern, take your licks. Your customer support is notoriously poor. My experience has been poor. 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Well, there's one that you can order, but there's also one a guy put up the 3D print model for free on Thingiverse, I think. What a guy. It looks different, but nice guy, and it supposedly works just as well. So if you know somebody with a printer, you can dig that up. Okay, I might. My father-in-law has one. All right, well, shit, maybe I'll do that. I don't know if I'll have long enough to, you know, even order. Yeah. So the guy who prints them is pretty fast, but like, yeah, you know, you know, take a week. Yeah. Oof. Uh, I fixed that. Great. Works great. Then the two standup targets were for me almost arguably worse. Like I'm, this was flying over shit. Uh, I did your fix or I took, you know, I took the metal out. I bent him a little bit with a vice grips basically. without esqueed with this you you you you you you you I'm at about, I've bent it as much as I could. I'll say it's acceptable for if it's a clean shot. Acceptable enough for me to play the game and be like, alright, maybe as Stern said, over time it'll be, whatever, fuck off. So I played the game. Here's this. The first, I don't know however many games that was of it all being busted and me bitching and complaining and emailing Stern and all this. I'm a fan of the game. I like it. I was like, yeah, spent a day troubleshooting a brand new game to play it and then tell a couple thousand people my opinion of this negative stuff. That's how this shit works. I finally got all that stuff fixed and then my first game with it working was about $1 billion on code .87. So it was like a half hour long game. Felt like a Keith Elwin Godzilla. Like, all right, played the shit out of the game. Did a lot. I'm a fan of the game. I'm a fan of the game. I've played four of the five beaches. I'm somewhat learning the code of what I was doing and got down. I was like, all right. That was taxing. Did I have fun though, is the question. It's almost not fair because after 24 hours, I had my first game of where everything worked to a certain extent and I got almost through the whole game. I think basically on that first game, almost all the beaches were closed. I played all three shark multiballs, whatever they're called, Jaws multiballs. Did you catch the sharks, though? I... See, that's what I don't know. And then I did the rescue multiball. See, that's a... It's a pretty substantial change, right? So, like, the bounty multiballs were very... pretty difficult to complete and getting... completing more than one of them extremely difficult in the old rules. And so when you started the bounty multiball, you needed to make a shot, hit the shark, and then you'd see the... Wait, wait. The same as jaws multiple. No. Okay. The bounties you start on that right ramp and then you have to complete the task like 80 spinners, three ramps. Oh, I don't know how many of those I did. But so the make out like the bounty hunts are a pretty big part of the game. And in the version of the code you still have for everyone listening. He still has .87, I believe. Well, I now .88. I just haven't played it yet. Yeah, so they changed bounties pretty significantly and I used to take it you would fail a lot at like 1% because it's you had to hit the shark multiple times and that's kind of changed quite a bit and there's more bonuses for catching the sharks with like increased machete multipliers. So I think bounties which were already I think just a highlight fun part of the game. I think are going to get a little little bit more exciting even. Yeah, the best parts of Iron Maiden. I like the bounty hunts for sure. I like that it's just a very, because contrary to the rest of the game, which I find to be very obtuse, it's very clear of what to do in bounties. Well, I told you this when you were thinking about getting one again, that you, you're getting it at a point where like, I can consistently get to the point where I kind of run out of rules and you start to in the old version of the code. And that could happen when David David Van Es, Knapp Arcade. judgmental judgmental judgmental judgmental judgmental judgmental This Week in Pinball Game of Thrones unemployartwork panel in backbox that is backlit during play 2020 B 2020ers vulgar 2020 The goal is to make some interesting varied things to do but make it a quick hitter that doesn't change the flow of the game. Yeah. The main ramp that you hit up there is very satisfying when you can get it. Oh, it's so good. Right? Just a weird ball path. Very weird. It took me a while to find it because you have to be quick and then it's like at the tip of the flipper. In a way. Yeah, it's super cool. I was hoping that you'd rant for a while and I'd give you this catharsis where you'd maybe to kind of feel better or like lift some weight off you on your Jaws journey. And as some more rules comes out, you know, you can kind of enjoy some more things to do. But it reminds me a lot of owningGodzilla when it first came out where I'm not a bigGodzilla fan. I think the game is fine. It's good. But in my impression, it's a little overrated. But it reminds me of the same parallel where This Week in Pinball, Game of Thronesdisciplinary I like the way that Jaws feels better than Godzilla, but I like Godzilla. Oh my god. I... Godzilla... Okay, gun to my head, I would take Godzilla over Jaws, and then there's Jaws, and then AI Avengers on the bottom. There's... I just don't like the droopiness of Godzilla, and I get the philosophy of the game of always be in motion and do this and that, but there's some code aspects to Godzilla that I really like. começ powiedział 집 같아요 caut I don't get it. Yeah, the code in like the zombie yeti art and all I get all that but as far as like Who likes the like the weird physics of that game? It's just kind of like Flowey is not the right word. It's like slow flow. I don't know I just think that jaws just immediately is a better Godzilla and I'm sure that a lot of people don't agree with that and they Maybe they love the building which is a phenomenal I think it is a very cool mech. But I just personally, you know, after seeing it four or five times, I just don't want to see it ever again. I just want to play the game. And when I'm playing a game like Jaws, the mechanism doesn't interfere with me playing the game. It's part of my gameplay. Yes. And that's what I want. I want a toy that's like part of the experience.े esinąc Startedcimento warriors Zoo trên fácil peõpltreavantOME Jaby bureauc I haven't played 1.0 Bond, but I played a pretty fair amount of Bond now. And man, even on .98 or .99, wow, Bond is just a video. Just, oh my gosh, just run forever. And you're like, come on, man. Because it's okay. It's really cool the first couple times, right? But when you start playing these games a lot, you own them in your house. And games are like you said, your Game of Jaws was a half an hour. Season 1 and 2aka I'm a fan of the fun in the toys and the upper playfield and the shark and the rubber to bounce it back in with the gate. I find all of that stuff is part of the gameplay, like the unique ball paths and the fast upper playfield. I like my stuff to be integrated into a smooth experience, and I don't want to watch a building move up and down for 10 seconds. I don't like that. All right. So, that's where I'm at on the whole experience of pinball. And so, that's why I like Jaws a lot more than Godzilla even currently. Oh, yeah. I'm glad that it's in the other room to play until I sell it immediately. There's a lot here. It is a packed game. I say, you know, there's not many, there's not many up for sale. And normally by this point, you'd have a lot more rotating. I realized a lot of people don't have them yet. You know, we're, we're still in that phase, but you know, I mean, we're gonna talk about Foo Fighters after we maybe talk more some about some different news or what's going on. But you know, Foo Fighters, you definitely saw when people don't like a theme. And I think Jaws is pretty themed, at least neutral. Um, people are kind of holding onto it and kind of waiting to see where it goes. Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community I don't know. Who hates John Wick? I mean, it is a strong movie, and I've seen some talk where people are like, oh, it's just a dumb action movie. And I'm like, well, I don't know, man. People seem obsessed with Predator and a whole bunch of other, I'm going to put quotes, dumb action movies. I don't think they're dumb action movies. I think John Wick has a really well thought out, really robust world. I think it's very interesting. The music is really good, and the choreography is very different. I'm a little bit of a fan of the Matrix, but there's a reason why everybody calls everything now a John Wick clone. It's because it definitely did something, right? It's not the Matrix, but there was a lot of Matrix clones. And you see that with John Wick. Yeah. I'm way more excited for John Wick than going in the other room and playing Jaws. That's kind of my thing. It's high energy and the music's good. You know, I mean, like, I think that's a recipe for success in pinball. I think it's hard to, it's hard to undersell how, how much that can really make a fun game. Yeah. Or it could be a turn. It could also be a turn. Well, I, yes, obviously. Right. Like I, I think there's been plenty of, of themes that people are pretty excited about and then, you know, you get to play them and you're like, Ooh, Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community Eindhoven Pugh, Rod Bailey Nor landlords Navy Hubert Vaughner, Michael Log 가족, Shq escalade Robert Relax Wood surgeries.com. n For XXLXP, Dubont, Dimitri Christian Rick Chamber Fudge, David Pugh, Michael Rogelville. r Joseph Epstein, The Turtles is a It's in your face. Jaws has parts of it. You know, it has parts of the fast stuff. That left shot, the middle shot. It feels way more like Iron Maiden than anything else he's made. Yeah. Yeah, it's somewhere in that in between Iron Maiden and Godzilla. You know, it's somewhere in between those two. But I mean, like, at the end of the day, Turtles, look, I'm gonna be pretty objective here. And I like Turtles just more than most people. 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Is this that guy? Oh my god. This guy hates pinheads. I mean just- It looks like it. He looks like he's just unhappy. No wedding ring on- He hates PinSide. He's sl- he swears that he's not making pinball machines for pinball enthusiasts. Clearly. This is a game for people who want something for their man cave, not someone who likes pinball. Ah, that's this guy. Yeah, well he's- That's the weirdest comment I've, like, how can you- what? I don't know. I don't know. I'm like, you know, I've been doing this for a long time. Alright, here's a couple of notes to the flyer. Full-size mechanical pinball machine using industry standard construction. Okay. Game ships with factory code quote ready to play. Okay. Includes mechanical quote knocker as standard. Like, oh man, we need that because it's for people in their home. You absolutely need the knocker for a replay. Who gives a shit? You don't need free games in your house. 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Can I read you on Knapp Arcade the post we're referencing the hey this is Blues Brothers it looks looks like it looks a couple great comments I just want to read you one that I just scroll down to I like this comment by a Joe B. Ready? It says what what a ugly looking piece of garment. What a ugly looking pizza. Kudos to you, Joby. Good. Joby just killing it. So eloquent. Nailed it. Nailed it. All right, I can't get out of this. This trash. Back to the Future probably later in the year. Expo, a new Stern game next week. But whatever, I need to talk about something good. Let's do a deep dive of Stern's Foo Fighters. Can we just do that? Real quick. Just out of curiosity. I just want your short impression. Like Dutch pinball. They do it back to the future, right? You look at how much they're selling, you know, Big Lebowski for right now. What is MSRP? Like $12? $15? $15? $15, I think. It just kept going up. But you got to remember a large amount of that price increase was supposedly, you know, well, not supposedly, was to pay off back all those early achievers, right? So they could, you know, basically make two games in that amount of money. But I don't see them lowering their price. So my question to you is, are they going to be able to sell Back to the Future for $15K if they haven't dramatically improved their whole system? I think so because it's Back to the Future. I would much rather a different company had this, not from a quality standpoint because I like Big Lebelski a lot and I think it's a fantastic game. It's just the price. التنا��طن dads undocumented 화장ust Warble I don't know Would you because I think big Lebowski technically is $14,500 but I think you have to pay shipping. So one of those things so like $15,000 back to the future Alright! I have a couple of dream themes in my mind and back to the future Bice Soviet, or Jimmy This Week in Pinballrene QUES Time of Time Brief Lots ofazon Halo to all of you online subscribers who watch this podcast. Here's the next question because I think I know where we're going with the rating on this game towards the end is yes, it's fighters Why don't you talk about when this came out who made it and the facts in this game Yeah, this is a relatively new game. So thanks to everybody for joining us I guess we switched this deep dive to free play I guess just this week Just for this week, but it came out February 2023 pretty new game This is Jack Danger's first cornerstone game. Previously he did do the Jurassic Park Home Pin, but that had all sorts of cool stuff in it. Jack is a huge part of the community, so I think everybody was really excited about this game. And software, we got Raymond Davidson, I think Tanyo Klyce helped, artwork is on the other way around. I think Tanyo was the main and then Raymond. Is he? Wow. Well, I always hear Ray talk about it so much that I guess I just thought he was the go-to. But I could be wrong. So Ray Day listens, hey man, and he'll correct me. But I remember like at MGC, I don't want to get into my first impressions, but this is somewhat where it was. They were both there and I was talking to them about the game. I think it was more just like seniority level because Tanya's been no longer doing it. But of course, more to say in a bit, but like Raymond had a big deal about this code. Anyway, keep going. Yeah, and I think that, you know, three trim levels pro premium le before we get to those real quick. I don't know who did the the like assets for the animations. But I someone with Jack Danger. I mean, that is just phenomenal. So I just wanted to mention it quick. But moving into the trim levels per premium le, the le really great on this one. I wish Stern made more differentiating le's like this. But besides the mirror backlash, Control On The Like The UFO and the Yeah the van and the UFO overlord and then a magnet under the overlord and then the dead The physical dead post that comes up when you get a ball outside the outlane I forgot that was not on the pro. Get fucked, pro. It's not on the pro. Oh! Yeah. And, you know, this is a good pro. This is a good pro. But I do believe the premium is great. And the LE... This is the game to get an LE on. I'm not an LE buyer and I'm not buying one for $13K. I am. You own this LE. Oh yeah. You own this LE and this is a great LE. Okay. Shit. This is one of the... Oh man. I'm so happy to be talking about this game. When we were doing deep dives, I was going to do this one first just because I... Fuck. I like this game. The... Yeah. Let me pull up the Matrix. I don't believe I missed anything, did I? No, I don't think so. If you did, let me know as we go. Go ahead. But the...oh man. At MGC in 2023, Midwest GamingClassic, is when I first played this game. So I guess any of those new to deep dives as well, just a quick little caveat here or a step back. We do these things usually in order. We talk about the facts of the game, which we just did, and then we do critical reception, first encounters, long-term impressions, where we rank the game, current used market value, sometimes talk about the owners, how many owners, if we have good data, the notable mods, and the lasting reputation. So talking about, well, let's do critical reception first and then first encounters. I don't see it on the Matrix, but just real quick as we're going to get into it. The one other major difference on the pro, the pro will not accept expression lighting aftermarket. Right. Yeah. I just remember that. Oh, man. So, like, the two best things... What a kick in the junk. Right? Just a sack kick. One of the coolest things in pinball, two of the coolest things, expression lights and the dead post, not in pro. Get yourself fucked, right? Yes, that's terrible. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be right back. This is the type of layout Stern comes out with. You watch a video of the layout and you're like, oh yes. Yeah, yes. I'll take one. One Foo Fighters. Wow, what anХman strokes from SS Shaalk ruhiH Możwra, Aboutaneko Magяниo, Yeah, I was already in the list just because a big Foo Fighters fan and yeah, you get sick of any music but as an alternative and pop punk and that just kind of it fits my jam always been especially since the color and the shape but even their self-titled always a big Foo Fighters fan. But my first impressions with the game was was at this MGC Midwest Gaming Classic which I was actually going I went through a storm because I had literal storm because I was selling Ray Day a Walking Dead and I knew I was going to I was like, at last minute, I wasn't going to go, but I was like, shit, I got to get in this Walking Dead and hey, I'll get a chance to play Foo Fighters, even though I'll own it in roughly a week's time at that time. I was like, fuck it, I'll go play it. I went to MGC and before I even played the game, I watched the panel on Foo Fighters where Jack Danger and Tanyo and MXV were all talking, like Vinicore were talking about making of the game. So, what I really wanted to make very clear, and I don't believe if I asked this to them or someone else, this game was designed how the premium in LE is designed. And then they stripped away to meet the bill of materials cost for the pro. Or sometimes people wonder, oh, did they build the pro first and do this? The premium was exactly what they wanted and they had to strip away. So that's the game as intended. And yeah, the... I think that's pretty clear. You know, I think not to interrupt you. I just think that, you know, people do talk about the pro being good quite a bit. I do like the pro. I very much enjoy playing the pro. But I think that people kind of undersell that playfield, the upper playfield, because it adds a lot more depth to not just the mechanical nature of the game, but to the rules, right? So many of the modes really use that upper playfield. And You're missing out on a lot of mode shots by not having it. So I think clearly it was designed with it in mind. Yes, very true. The upper playfield makes a notable difference. Since we do long term impressions, I'm going to be very, very brief and clear with my first impressions. My first impressions were at MGC. Uh huh. And I only played one game. I was busy meeting. Well, the new, to put us where we were in time, the new Rush accessories just came out, the topper. I was playing a lot of Rush with Ray Day. It was actually pretty sweet. I'm pretty good at Rush and I was learning the new code with the topper while Rayday was telling me what shots to hit. He's like, because Rayday hadn't seen the topper in person do a couple things. He's like, all right, I want to see this thing do that. So hit that, hit that, hit that. I'm like, yeah, yeah. And I did really good. He's like, oh, fucking wow, you're doing pretty good. And it was cool having Rayday point like where to hit.ligt,)تrendshi Knapp lawłby Bangl kantek dilek peace Similar chime ради Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community I almost want it to be the reverse because now they're so big. It feels like you don't have that like, you know, like, oh, I know what Foo Fighters and other people don't, you know, now they're like, they're huge. Yeah, they're so big. But like, who doesn't have at least, and this is where I think I'm just disconnected from, clearly you don't have to like Foo Fighters, right? I don't love Rush. We've talked about this, but that game is phenomenal. I can separate those two things. That is a good game. It Looks Like a Game in Panoramic provide you with an 8 page visit to L Entette для Sharon Palmocon lookbooked mine � David David Van Es, Knapp Arcade. Short version. You're welcome. video, disc policing environment Transcript Discordingазд talented detective sans期一定한 결과, member of KBG promoting bi homework dealing with sports Arctic advisors Shake darfimasu�aronáẑакьє Mike Phanczac ook-arte 제작 fighting progressive importance человек bysmithplaunch. Jackson Sandman, Sh temple International, I know the And so... We're تھun be onlygeldambatousing Belarusçonsanyonbear whatnot.com Easy reel Easyieur EasyReal t1tek he e he he he ge t The following is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental. Telegraph NYUthinkött Mysterioobook Facebook, LinkedIn.com honoringflickhost Read Internet庆필는 국�arsa dad하urer Not rozpakat deeply, Tuesdayeteen, S Emer Khan Easy. All right, here we go. Okay, cool. The van modes of like, all right, you can level up your thing. And so finding like, how you like to play that you can build the game to that, where I guess what I'm getting is I like to hit the captive ball a lot and and level up the van to make the modes have less shots so that when I start a mode, I basically hit the Center button once and then hit the the UFO and I'm done. So, and then for some reason the 3D sculpt I normally don't care about in a game, but for some reason in this game, the like, in the premium, the sculpt of the UFO and the Overlord is just awesome looking. It does look like an 80s toy. And when the magnet ball is hitting around in there, it's just like, man, it's just a lot of little things coupled with the, maybe the cherry on top. There's so much more to it, but just to, again, cherry on top. I was like, hey man, I don't know, it's not really being consistent. He just sent it to Jack Danger who just emailed me personally and told me the fix. He's like, oh yeah, just tighten this and it worked. So like seeing Jack when this got announced at MGC and seeing how like responsive he was, do you want to feedback on the game? He was asking people about it. He was legit interested in it to like getting it home and like replying to me personally to tell me how to fix it. Like, oh yeah, cool. Glad it worked out. There was so much care put into this game that um, so I owned the premium, played the hell out of it. It was early on before there was a ton of code, um, sold it to I got the raise but I'm just gonna have to just wait. It's what I do but not because I didn't like the game. But then I went and played it at Tilt and they had an LE so I played it with the Expression Lights mauv and I was like holy fuck, Oh my God, this game just elevated it again. So then I bought the LE and then traded it with your buddy Pickl and in the sense of like, alright, cool, the right buy for me is a premium long-term when they come out This Week in Pinball with the ExpressionLights. So here we are a fucking year later when the ExpressionLights finally came out for the premium and I'm getting one of those with the ExpressionLights. So my long-term impressions are just like it's one of the best pinball games in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to try and bury the lead or anything, you know, on a quick little side note. Yeah, you know, I messaged Jack Danger just there's a lot of discussion in the pinball community. This and Deadpool, which no shocker there, right? Puglinton accumulate All right. But what I'm getting at is everybody mistakes about Puglintonconomic and I've messaged him about that when the game is new. He's just such a nice guy so engaged with the community and he said it's meant to have We have no rubbers on the posts, but if you want to make it a little easier, put a rubber on the right outlane post. I've tested that out quite a bit. Does it actually make it easier? I ran it for a year with no rubbers on either post, and that's just how I'm used to the game. So, a couple weeks ago, I was like, whatever, I'm going to see how the other half lives. I put a rubber on that right outlane post, and I would say it makes it a little bit easier. I don't know how much to quantify that, like maybe 20, 25%. Because if you're good at nudging, you're gonna save some balls that you'd lose. But it has this other weird side effect where sometimes when that's just a metal post, there's more clearance and the ball just goes straight down there or hits and then loses all its momentum and falls in. So it does make it a little bit easier. If you save a ball you would have otherwise lost, clearly that's a huge win. I've left it on just because I still don't know where I sit on it, but yeah, it makes a difference. It makes it easier, but different conversation. Um, similar to you. I, yeah, I love the game. I mean, I'm not gonna, like I said, I'm not gonna bury the lead. I think this is, man, this game is so all over the place. I think to compare it directly to Deadpool, which I used to have in my top five games all time, this kind of pushed it. Podishing &vu to see all the many wizard modes, and do the combo tron and the foobot. And you can just work through it in modes. I I don't have enough positive. This game gives you a lot of ways to play it, and I I don't know if I can say enough positive about a long-term ownership at this. I think Mike Vinorb did a phenomenal job with the expression lighting. I think it's really well choreographed. I think it looks great. It's way too expensive. You own a premium with the Expression Lights. I own a premium with theExpression Lights. They're $500, which like is what it is, right? Like they're great. It's worth it because it's such a big deal. The topper's $2,000. So I'm never buying that. It looks great. Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community Order online today! Alive in the More in this one. And Led Zeppelin. I mean, I don't think either of us love that game. But the additional lights are good. All right. Where we rank the game. My highest game has been Jurassic Park, which I believe I gave a 10. I can't give this a 10 because it just it isn't there. It's close. But Jurassic Park is just kind of hey, not that I can't. I could, but I'd give it a 9.5 for me for Foo Fighters. I'm a little bit of a fan of the game. It's just, it's, it's so high up there. It's the one I wanted to do the deep dive first. The the negative. I don't know some people don't find this a negative. Sometimes I don't. The game isn't crazy deep. But I don't want it to be. I want it to be as deep as it is. It's deep enough. It's I don't want there to be more because then you start doing the Godzilla problem of like, my one shot qualified six different things. Like what like well everything well fuck then so okay. Uh, yeah, Foo Fighters, man. Fuck. So good. It's a catch 22 code depth is such a difficult thing to balance. And this has a lot of rules. There is no shortage of things to do. There's cities, you know, the mini wizard mode, the three overlord multiballs, the combo Tron multiball, the Foo bot. Uh, there's the toy time multiball. Now the final battle multiball. I mean, this, this game has a lot to do. I don't think that you can complain about it being shallow. I don't know what my highest rated game is. Maybe I should have been writing these down. I know in the Star Wars deep dive I said that's my favorite game to play right now, which is true. I'm very much enjoying playing Star Wars. It just engages me the way I like to You can play games, but Foo Fighters is one of my favorite games ever. So it's a different ballpark. I have no plans of getting rid of Foo Fighters at any point in time I not a bolted guy but I owned a game for 15 years so I can say that kind of thing I think I give it a Nothing's perfect. I'm not a 10 guy, so I guess it's a 9.5, and I don't know what I would change. I think the game is difficult enough. Yeah, what would you change? I would... Well, I haven't owned it since the new code came out. Okay. I mean, new as in like once they added the new FUBOT. 0.99 and 1.0. Yeah, which is exactly what I would remove is the FUBOT announcer. I would love to be able to disable that. I like all the new callouts. Like if you haven't played it in a while to somebody listening or to you, Jason, there's now a different voice out, a new announcer for each city. And then now there's the DJ who's the DJ for the city. pikeprofett sogenan Heyhel наход pollsbuhyStation He's kind of a shame because I don't like the Chicago mode very much. I don't get to hear him very often. I just don't play the Chicago. I just don't love the Chicago mode. What's that one? Tell me how you play that one again. I'm trying to think. I haven't owned it in like six months so it's been a while. Chicago is the one where you hurry up and start it on a shot and if you don't hit it, The Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community Transl scares Katherine Street, Alan Krug, Anne Wlowna, Unityne皆H önemli I was waiting for this to come out. And I think that that must have delayed the development of this game quite a bit because it certainly seems like there was going to be Foo Fighters callouts originally and just a real tragedy. Yeah, but I mean, it it's it's tough. Yeah, it's it's tough. And I mean, drumming wise, anything that's from their self-titled their color and the shape was not him drumming on it. Dave Grohl, Taylor, Taylor's great but my great my biggest well I guess I should say my three favorites Foo Fighters albums that mean the most to me are their self-titled The Color and The Shape and oh god what is it called there's nothing left to lose no no no what the hell is it called Wasting Light the hell Wasting Light associated with the There is a, uh, that album. I wish it was more just those three albums, but, uh, yeah, uh, it is what it is. I was gonna say, do you, do you like the new albums? I think that's kind of a polarizing. Mm, nah, I mean, Wasting Light is the last really one I really dug, because now they're getting into that big band when I was saying, like, I was when, wish they would go back, that kind of big band U2 crap. U2 was always trash, but like that, like, now we're this, like, stadium band and, uh, and Cutenoso TSoani could 흰�eling have a ofisọi wi för ró Mengjintee a Agra heryoon자 duestàn nagoland two-bit I'm a little bit of a pre-median. If you're debating it, yeah, if you're debating, just do it. You have to have it. Like, I, you're in deep enough, just get the Expression Lights. They're that good. Oh yeah. It's, I think the only debate, and we'll get to this in a second, is should you just buy a used premium or used LE, I mean. Like if you, if you're debating buying ExpressionLights, should you just try to get a used LE? I think that's a debate we'll have here in a second, but the mods that, the only mods I I care about. Because there are some good mods. I think Pinmonk does some good gel inserts for this game. For like the lightning bolts. Because I think that some of the inserts, because they're all white, can kind of get lost a little bit. I think his gel inserts are good. There are some really good mods for the game, but I don't think you need any of them. I think it's such a good looking game and the sculpts are so good. It all feels a bit much for me. I don't know what the right word is for this, but let me just explain it. The Stumbler Area51 mod. That's the one I was thinking of first. Yeah, so Stumbler who makes the Godzilla mods that everyone loves. A couple of them rightfully so. I really like their UFO and all this, but they're very expensive high-end mods, I'll say. And so they're like, oh, hot on the heels of Godzilla, let's make this one for Foo Fighters. Area51, eh, I don't think you need it, and I don't think it's worth the money. Team Hi, Mason Hey, Prani Pradden, O-Sอ Podcast Executive Back metadata 42nd deserve Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community MR Edward Britney. I think people like the regular people like pinball collectors have determined that the pro is good enough. And I think that that might be hurting the premium LE pricing. I don't know. Do you feel like the pro is the pro good enough for you? Fuck no. In Foo Fighters? No. Yeah. No. You can't do the expression lights. You don't get the upper playfield. You don't get the dead post. Nah, nah, nah, nah. And the fact that The area 51 multiball, you have to hit the ramp six times instead of getting it up on the upper playfield and maybe just hitting it once. You also don't get to control it, right? It's going to start every time you do that. I think that that's even part of the Combotron. Man, you haven't played it a bunch lately, but when you get the Combotron multiball ready, it's on the side ramp. 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This Week in Pinballättreviously prepared KJ W Growingczk ł thisweekoup xZ HanımN lok xCZTYe D spoons OZ CSLYz casa xWcatz daFaZpYxZ I think where you're at in the country, if you're in Florida, that's not the same price as if you're in Wisconsin. Right. Right? And the LE is the thing that really, I think, keeps the price of the premium down. You see that with a lot of LEs now, where the LEs losing so, because they're so expensive at 13K and they make a thousand of them, you see that really suppress the pricing of the Sold and quiet at it where you know if you can get a premium if you give Submit asохm item for I don't see John Wick selling $13,000 LEs. Who's going to fucking buy a limited edition John Wick for $13,000 US dollars? I'm telling you, this LE model currently is just a really tough sell on everything. I was shocked when the Venom LE came out, similar I think to probably you and a lot of other people, when I was like, oh man, we're still doing this the same way, huh? I'm going to do a thousand at 13 K on this Venom LE. And yeah, that, you know, that hasn't gone well, right? Like people are having a very hard time selling Venom LEs for nine grand. Like that's not me being like hyperbolic. That's not true. Yup. I think that John Wick could suffer the same type of dilemma and that makes you unexcited, right? Like if you were like, Hey, and I know we're back into a main podcastazi Mercyi Kwer © 2019 Finest Presented. All rights reserved. The topper, I love the topper. Do you like the topper? Pick a topper. I don't love it. So, okay. I don't know. I like it. I mean, like the Black Knight Sword Rage Topper, right? Like, it's very, like those, they're interactive in a fun and interesting way. You know, like the Godzilla topper sucks. The Stranger Things topper sucks. Jurassic Park topper sucks. Like, they're normally just kind of flat plastic and boring. This Foo Fighter one is really good. And I have to kind of think, Stern, that they've priced it at a level that I just will never pay, which makes me actually want to go harder. I think they should price it even higher. Yeah. Because I think they're the goal. Oh, yeah, totally. Like, if their goal is to make less of them and to maximize profit, like, what's the thing on this? It has to already be well outside the range of normal cost analysis, right? Because we're way past a five X.aps Siemens Skyline if SNK the the the the the the the the the optic I don't know what podcast number but 69 probably. On podcast 69, you know, when the Pinball Party podcast when you had Mike Vinikour on, you know, he talked about programming expression lighting and, you know, that is a manual thing and people always want to know can you AI do that? Can you do that with AI or can you do it with it's not going to be the same. Like you want someone who is engaged with that music to make a cool light show. Yeah. And speaking of Mike Vinikour, He's a great person to lend his ear to this genre. Foo Fighters very much has a lot of its roots in punk rock. Punk rock is not always just like the super fast. I mean, whatever, you know what I mean? But it yeah, Foo Fighters, lasting reputation. It's a great fucking game. Go buy it. Can I just get your impressions of like different types of music now? Now that the deep dive is over? Sure. Yeah. No, just your doop-dlat-dilla, you know, like I want your beatboxing like interpretation of... Ah, well that was because of the drummer thing of when I'm thinking of music, I'm thinking of the speed of it. You know, like snake jazz, like... Thank you for watching. Pocket, good sir. Jazz band. That shit's fun. Were you ever were you in band? Were you a music dude? I was I was in I played alto saxophone in middle school and then was also in choir. So in high school, I decided, well, I won't I won't do the band thing anymore. So I just did choir. But I come from a pretty strong musical family and background. So I kind of like everything. I was a bedroom DJ in the 90s, you know, and did that whole thing, had all the equipment, and that's where a lot of my understanding comes from. And then clearly when we're talking, it's because I have a long history in, you know, consumer electronics and the audio industry and selling equipment, right? Well, let's do a deep dive on speakers sometime. But all right, this is a lengthy whatever we just did there, amalgamation of a normal episode. Thank you to all the patrons out there. It's awesome. It helps support the show. We really like doing these deep dives. Going forward, the deep dives will remain exclusive to patron members only. We wanted to do one on one of our favorite games out there right now, Foo Fighters. And had an excuse to talk about Jaws. We'll see how my impressions of Jaws change. Hopefully, John Wick next week. That'd be great. Thanks a lot for having me. All right, man. 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