10 Facts about Haggis' New Fathom Pinball Release (Reupload)

Cary Hardy·video·13m 41s·analyzed·Apr 27, 2021

Analysis

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TL;DR

Haggis Pinball announces Fathom Revisited with two tiers, 50/month production, and four future Williams remakes planned.

Summary

Cary Hardy presents 10 facts about Haggis Pinball's upcoming Fathom Revisited remake, covering pricing ($7,360–$8,900 USD), production capacity (50 games/month with manufacturing expansion), special Mermaid Edition features (enhanced ruleset, custom audio, LCD screens, reflective cabinet art), and that this is the first of five planned Bally/Williams classic remakes. Hardy characterizes the move as strategically smart for Haggis despite price concerns, arguing the new condition and playfield protection justify cost versus aging originals.

Key Claims

Haggis Pinball is planning to increase manufacturing square footage and workforce capacity by approximately 400% and will produce 50 games per month (12–12.5 per week)
high confidence · Cary Hardy cites Haggis official announcement; notes uncertainty ('I forgot what the percentage') but reiterates the 50 games/month figure as concrete.
Fathom Revisited Classic Edition costs $9,500 AUD (~$7,360 USD); Mermaid Edition costs $11,500 AUD (~$8,900 USD)
high confidence · Hardy presents official pricing from Haggis announcement with direct currency conversions.
Mermaid Edition includes enhanced 2.0 ruleset by Martin Robbins, mirrored stainless steel trim, custom five-speaker sound system, ReflectoCab luminescent cabinet art, dual 6.8 LCD screens, and ambient below-cabinet lighting
high confidence · Hardy lists features directly from Haggis official specification sheet.
Fathom Revisited is the first of five planned Bally/Williams classic remakes by Haggis
high confidence · Hardy states: 'This is the first of upcoming total of five Bally Williams games. So look forward to four more in the future.'
Orders open to 'Haggis clan' registered members until the 28th, then public preorders begin; production scheduled for July 1st with a five-week order window
high confidence · Hardy references official Haggis preorder timeline.
Non-refundable deposit is $1,500 AUD (~$1,162 USD) per machine
high confidence · Direct quote from Haggis announcement via Hardy.
Modern Fathom Revisited adds an auto-launcher in the shooter lane compared to the original
high confidence · Hardy: 'it's going to be all modern mechs, including an additional auto launcher in your shooter lane.'
Used original Fathom machines on the secondary market typically cost $4,000+ if in decent condition
medium confidence · Hardy's subjective market assessment: 'I want to say right now on the second hand market the only market that you going to find fathoms is they going to be at least four grand and up.'

Notable Quotes

“This is a great move for haggis pinball by all means this announcement i don't want to say is monumental but i want to say it's definitely it was a great thing to hear”
Cary Hardy@ 7:17 — Hardy's overall positive endorsement of Haggis's strategic pivot to classic remakes despite pricing concerns.
“They have now officially put themselves on the map Now they were making Celts And by all means guys... Celts did not really grab any of us”
Cary Hardy@ 11:08 — Frames Fathom Revisited as Haggis's breakthrough moment after the lukewarm reception of their original 'Celts' title.
“you've got to think a little bit of that cost is going towards that [licensing]. But then you have the fact that you will not be able to find a fathom in this kind of condition at this price point available for you to just order.”
Cary Hardy@ 8:21 — Addresses the pricing concern by framing new condition, modern playfield protection, and licensing costs as value justifications.
“to get a fathom in this kind of condition, like basically HEP, H-E-P, at this price point is not going to happen. not to mention if you were to get an 81 fathom in this kind of condition chances are you're still going to have 40 year old mechs under the play field”
Cary Hardy@ 8:39 — Explains the value proposition: new Fathom vs. aging originals with obsolete internals but comparable exterior cost on secondary market.
“I'm holding out for a centaur. I feel like that's got to be one of the five that they're going to be doing.”
Cary Hardy@ 10:37 — Reveals community expectation about which Williams classics Haggis might remake and signals personal collector interest.

Entities

Haggis PinballcompanyDamien HartonpersonCary HardypersonMartin RobbinspersonRick StaubachpersonJeff TeolispersonFathom RevisitedgameFathom (Original)game

Signals

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business_signal: Preorder structure: Haggis clan members exclusive access until 28th, then public preorders; five-week order window before July 1st production start; 50 games/month means ~6 months to produce Mermaid Edition orders alone.
high · Hardy: 'if I was a Batman, Mermaid Editions should be piling up and selling out pretty damn quickly... 50 games per month. Then you're looking at 6 months worth of only the Mermaid Editions.'
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business_signal: Haggis Pinball is significantly expanding manufacturing infrastructure (estimated ~400% increase in square footage) and workforce to achieve 50 games/month production capacity.
high · Hardy: 'they are drastically increasing the size of their manufacturing and production line area as well as increasing their workforce... 50 games per month. Which is about 12 to 12 and a half games per week.'
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sentiment_shift: Cary Hardy and broader pinball community view Haggis's pivot to classic remakes very positively, positioning it as a strategic breakthrough after Celts' poor reception.
medium · Hardy: 'I believe this is a great move' and 'I'm really excited for what games are going to be coming after this'; congratulates Damien on the decision; expresses personal collector interest.
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design_philosophy: Haggis Pinball's modern Fathom includes contemporary mechanical enhancements (auto-launcher in shooter lane) while maintaining visual parity with the 1981 original.
high · Hardy: 'The game will be visually matching the previous game when it comes to looking down at it, the mechs and everything, but underneath, obviously, it's going to be all modern mechs, including an additional auto launcher in your shooter lane.'
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Topics

Haggis Pinball business expansion and production capacityprimaryFathom Revisited game announcement, pricing, and featuresprimaryBally/Williams license and planned classic remakes strategyprimaryPricing concerns and value proposition for new vs. secondhand classic machinessecondaryHaggis Pinball's original titles (Celts, Wraith) reception and pivot to licensed propertiessecondaryModern playfield protection technology and cosmetic enhancements in Mermaid EditionsecondaryMartin Robbins' ruleset design and competitive pinball community involvementmentionedSecondary market for classic pinball machines and collector economicsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Hardy is enthusiastic about Haggis's strategic move to license classic Williams/Bally remakes, calling it a 'great move' and noting the announcement was 'definitely it was a great thing to hear.' He acknowledges price concerns but frames them as justified given manufacturing quality, playfield protection, and licensing costs. He expresses excitement for future remakes (especially Centaur) and congratulates Damien Harton. The only negative sentiment is directed at Celts' reception, which Hardy frames as a contributing reason this pivot is necessary. Overall tone is supportive and optimistic about Haggis's future.

Transcript

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There's a lot of information that we could go over but what I'm going to do instead is give you 10 facts that you need to know. So let's get started. Now these are in no particular order of importance these are just 10 facts that I made notes of that I feel like a lot of you out there that are interested or curious about what is going on with Haggis and their upcoming Fathom remake or revisited rather that you may want to know about. So we'll start with number one and that is going to be with the pricing. There are going to be two models. There's going to be the classic edition which is basically a complete remake of Fathom. As you remember it to be that's what it's going to look like only of course all new and then you have the mermaid edition which is going to have variations to it and i will go over those variations at another point but let's talk about the pricing for each one of these classic edition you're looking at let's see here $9,500 australian and that translates to $7,360 american and then you have the mermaid edition that costs $11,500 australian that translates to $8,900 American. Those are your prize points for this Fathom Revisited. Fact number two. If you are registered in the Haggis clan, then you currently have the ability to register and put in a deposit for a mermaid or whatever edition that you want until the 28th. The 28th is going to open up for the public, for everyone else to put in their orders. So chances are, if I was a Batman, Mermaid Editions should be piling up and selling out pretty damn quickly. They're gonna be taking orders for five weeks and then they're gonna cut it off and they will start production scheduled July 1st. Fact number three. Your order will require a non-refundable deposit. The deposit amount is $1,500 Australian and that translates to $1,162 American. Fact number four. They are planning to increase their manufacturing, like square footage, their shop and everything by I forgot what the percentage but it like I may be overshooting it here but i want to say they said 400 so they are drastically increasing the size of their manufacturing and production line area as well as increasing their workforce so they're hiring new people and just increasing increasing and growing which is once again we've already heard that spooky's Booming up their size of things. And now Haggis. Who has only made one game so far. Has drastically now increased their potential output. But 50 games per month. Which is about 12 to 12 and a half games per week. They will be knocking out their Mermaid Editions first. So you got to think that 50 games per month. Then you're looking at 6 months worth of only the Mermaid Editions. Fact number five. The Mermaid Edition is going to have these changes, and I'm going to list them off accordingly. It's going to have enhanced 2.0 rule set with new callouts and music, mirrored stainless steel trim, mirrored playfield components, custom five-speaker sound system, ReflectoCab metallic reflective luminescent cabinet art. That's a mouthful. That's what she said. That's my joke. Damn it, Dwight. Dual Apron Integrated 6.8 LCD Screens for Game Features and Service Menu. Ambient Below Cabinet Lighting. Those are all going to be in the Mermaid Edition or their LE. Fact number six. Evidently, they've got a topper in the making for this as well. Topper with ambient lighting. That's going to be price set to be announced. So they don't have all that information yet, but evidently there is a topper in the works. Fact number seven. This is the first of upcoming total of five Bally Williams games. So look forward to four more in the future of this particular era. Fact number eight. I'm tired of holding up fingers, not doing it anymore. Fact number eight. When it comes to shipping, they will be shipping their machines to Planetary Pinball located in Nevada. I don't believe they have an exact price for what the shipping cost will be from planetary to your house, but you can easily guess it's going to be anywhere between $300 to $500, if you live in the States, that is. Fact number nine. The game will be visually matching the previous game when it comes to looking down at it, the mechs and everything, but underneath, obviously, it's going to be all modern mechs, including an additional auto launcher in your shooter lane. So that's going to add a little something something out there that we have not seen in this game. A little more modern twist to it by adding an auto ball launcher mech. And fact number 10. The 2.0 rule set is actually being done by none other than Martin Robbins. You may know Martin from the Head to Head Pinball podcast back in the day. He is now with Jeff Tielas with the Final Round Pinball podcast on the Pinball Network. He also streams on Twitch. He's a competitive player and he also kicked the crap out of me on the Munsters back in the Texas pinball festival He may or may not remember doing that but it was his first time to play the game and I think it was actually my first time to play the game as well and Yeah he totally kicked my ass on that which is Yeah i would have been surprised if i won actually so that is the basic top 10 factual information that i believe a lot of you should know when it comes to what's going on with haggis now from this point forward is going to be my input and subjective opinions and everything like that and such so for those of you that don't give a crap about what i think then feel free to click off now i'm giving you a heads up this is a great move for haggis pinball by all means this announcement i don't want to say is monumental but i want to say it's definitely it was a great thing to hear and it was like yes good because you know we already have cgc remaking some of the later dmd titles which is also a good thing But there's many older games out there, you know, the 80s, that a lot of people enjoy and are wanting in their game room. They just can't seem to find a good condition working one for a reasonable price. And that's the thing that I think a lot of people are harping on right now when it comes to this revisited version of Fathom is the price point. Now, I'm kind of with you on that. But then you have to take into effect, guys, that one, a portion of this is going to the license for it to Planetary Pinball. Rick over there, he has to have his cut. That's just the way it is. So I'm not sure what the percentage is on that, but that's all numbers that will never be revealed. But you've got to think a little bit of that cost is going towards that. But then you have the fact that you will not be able to find a fathom in this kind of condition at this price point available for you to just order. To get a fathom in this kind of condition, like basically HEP, H-E-P, at this price point is not going to happen. not to mention if you were to get an 81 fathom in this kind of condition chances are you're still going to have 40 year old mechs under the play field and that play field may be clear-coded but it will not be what haggis does when it comes to their protection for the play field which completely prohibits dimples from happening fathom is a beautiful game that a lot of people enjoy and as well as just it's a nice art piece that's the thing is that you know a lot of games back then were just pretty to look at the art just the way it was and one of the things i really like about fathom is the way the in lane and outlanes work is that the in lane can essentially be your out lane and your out lane should be basically feeding to your flippers if your machine is leveled correctly but from the images that we have been shown the game looks beautiful i i i have no complaints about that definitely the polished stainless steel looks great but i also feel that even the regular classic edition is still going to look great as well you're still going to have the nice shiny looking play field you just won't have the chrome polished stainless steel and you won't have the lcd screens and the rgb lcd displays and stuff like that but i think you would still get a great quality product by ordering the classic edition I want to say right now on the second hand market the only market that you going to find fathoms is they going to be at least four grand and up if people know what they got and it's in decent condition. But it will not be in the condition that you're going to get by buying brand new. I'm also really excited for what games are going to be coming after this. I'm holding out for a centaur. I feel like that's got to be one of the five that they're going to be doing. If they do a centaur, I'm probably going to end up getting that one because I would love to get a centaur now, but the price for them and usually the condition just isn't there for me. And I'm like, man, but if I could get me a brand spanking new one with a play field that will never fail, I think I'm going to hold out for that I honestly think this is a very good move for Haggis They have now officially put themselves on the map Now they were making Celts And by all means guys And I'm sure the majority of you out there would agree Celts did not really grab any of us And feel like we needed to get it It was the theme Didn't speak to the majority of us me personally definitely did not care for the art package for it that's just me but the fact that they're going to be remaking these older bally williams games definitely has me interested now this is this is not them basically saying that they're not going to be doing their own titles in the future no this is just part of what they're going to be doing is the bally williams revisited as well as their future upcoming original titles. Hopefully their original titles are as interesting as other games. But going by Kelts alone, I'm just going to have to wait and see on that. So by all means, congratulations Damien over there at Haggis Pinball for the decision to do what you are doing. I believe this is a great move. From the pictures that I've seen, the game looks beautiful and I cannot wait to see them out in public. That's going to be all for this video, guys. I will put links down in the description below for you to get even more information on this. You can get it at This Week in Pinball. Pinball Profile has their podcast going where they interview Damien. The Pinball Network, they have an episode up and they have more discussions about the game as well. There's plenty of data out there, but I'm not going to put it all in this video because I know a lot of you don't like watching me. so let me know what you think about haggis's decision on going back to the early bally williams era what are your thoughts on the price are you going to be getting one let me know in the comment section down below give me that thumbs up really helps out the channel and if you haven't already hit the subscribe button located down here ding that dong and until next time guys peace out Outro Music