I want a bacon cheeseburger with extra mayo. I want a large chocolate shake, two orders of onion rings, an apple pie, and a diet cola. You've had pie. That's funny, right? Thank you. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett. You're with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Joker's wild. Why are you saying that? Because Papa TV is just broadcasting it live right now. I'm sure they have at least five viewers with that game. Maybe three. Maybe three. This is episode 120, The Fourth Flash. Ooh, this is the most important flash of all. Oh, really? Well, to explain The Fourth Flash, we have a guest. We do have a guest. He is a returning guest. He is one of our most controversial guests. He is the cult of personality, the hater of all that is good. I bring you Zach. Oh, not that guy again. He likes Star Wars. Come on. Okay, that's that. I like at least one good thing. About Star Wars? Only one, though, yeah. Okay. So what's the fourth flash? Fourth flash is PIA chip U10. Mm-hmm. Very important. That controls the displays and the switch matrix and the lamps, and it checks if it works slightly, although it could still be bad a lot, even if the test passes. Yes. So at least you know there's a chip in the socket. Yes. It won't boot if there's no chip. Wait a minute. So, like, even if it's bad, it still says it's good? It's only checking one address line, if I remember right. Zach? I think it has six bytes of address space that the chip uses. Yeah. And it just writes some data and then reads it back out. It's like, okay, there's at least a chip, like, storing data here. Yes. But you could still, like, any of the I.O. lines going to the actual peripherals, they could all have, you know, blown individually or be stuck or something like that, and there's no way of knowing. So, how's everyone doing? Good. Very good. It's cold. It is cold. It's very cold tonight. It's always cold in Zach's place. What did we get the temperature set to? 60? 67. Wow! It's a heat wave. It's a heat wave at Zach's house. Yeah, I actually just went and turned it down. Yeah, you better turn that down, man. It's a heat wave. It gets way too hot upstairs when you've got it 67 downstairs. True. Of course it does. I pulled out the jet heater in your garage now, so I know I have heat whenever I go outside and work on games. You pulled out the jet heater? Yes. So as soon as I turn on the jet heater, in like 20 minutes I can go outside and it's a nice warm 65 degrees in the garage. Sounds great. It does, doesn't it? I got a weird one, actually. Let's go right into repairs. Screw our format. Screw our format, yeah, because, you know, we're getting near the end here. Format's out the window. Yep. We're going right through appearances. It seems like everyone wants that. Zachariah and Ronald. I have a question, a weird one. Zachariah and Ronald. Okay. Yes, see? Is that a manufacturer, Zachariah and Ronald? That's like when Zachariah combined with Ronald, who was an investor, who kept them afloat? Okay. Kept them afloat for a little while. Okay. So I brought the IJ to a person's house. Why? Why? Oh, because he wanted to rent it for a while. And as soon as it went there, it started blowing one of the fuses for eight solenoids, the high-powered solenoids on IJ. It would only blow when it was in multiball. Never would blow before that. I saw it happen three times. Finally, I couldn't figure out why. Brought the game over back to my house. Never blown since. Never blew at the bar. Could it be like a weird voltage issue, like if the house was wired wrong? It's a haunted house. Like an alpha, you know, they call it a turkey leg when the house is wired weird. So high-power solenoids are talking the ball popper. Yes. The ball launch. Ball launch. The totem drop up. Yes. I replaced the coil on that because I thought it was that. Is that the single drop target? Yes, it is. The ball release, which is at the lock? Yes. Oh, no, that's the idle release. That's the idle release. And then also the kick-out hole for the saucer. Yep. And the drop target reset. The drop target reset. And I think there's one other. The knocker. The knocker. Okay. Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff associated with multiball there with the idle lock drop targets. Exactly. At my house, it has not blown once. At the bar, it never blew once. When I brought it to this guy's house, it blew five fuses. Did you check his voltage? Yes, I did. As in normal? 119. Yeah? Do you try one of those testers, like, to see if it's wired wrong? I don't have that. Oh. But that's what I'm kind of thinking, that his house has actually got, like, a wild leg or a turkey leg. We used to have to deal with it with 230 on some of our machines. And that's the only thing you can think of that actually can rule out stuff, because I have not been able to blow this fuse. How bad is it when you want to blow a fuse? And all the solenoids, all eight solenoids, measure proper ohmage. Okay. I don't know. Yeah, it's really weird. So if anybody has any ideas on that one. I'm going to swap the driver board. I did already. Did that too? Didn't do it. Still didn't. Man. Told you. Very weird. All I did was move it from his house to my house. Very weird. Very weird. I don't get it. I have broken now two drop targets on Catacomb now because it's so cold. Garage. Old hard plastic. Hard. Getting hit by hard ball. Well, then stop. I did. After the second one. Yeah, after the second one. The first one wasn't enough. Well, I was thinking the first one. Maybe it's old plastic Chanel. You know, maybe. Nope, that's the second one. And luckily, Bruce found two NOS clear targets. You know, regular straight white targets. And they're kind of cool. Not clear, but, you know, white targets. No writing on them or anything. Because Bruce hunts out the stern parts always. Can I have some? No. Damn it. You already got so many targets from me. Wait, wait. Did you or did you not? Yeah. I got him for Cheetah. I know. And did you get a couple extras for Quicksilver or no? No. I'm sorry. I thought you were going to yell at me if I did more. You didn't want me to take anything. No, I did. You got Yoda anyway, so. Yeah, I'm used to it. And you got three flippers for our game. Yeah, the flippers were for putting Quicksilver. It does something for our game. That's good. That's good. You sure you don't want to sell your steak in that game? Nope. Why not? You got to find me one, then I'll sell you. Oh, that's just, no. Come on. Make Ron happy, guys. Find me a Quicksilver, and not in Australia. I found you one last year, and you were too slow. Can I buy it from you? What? I found you one, so can I buy your steak in the other one? Nope. See, Ron, you want him as your owner instead of me? Well, we have, what, co-ownership city on this call. We do. What is it? I own half a Dragon Fist and half a Quicksilver. Yes. And Zach owns, like, what, half a Gametron? Yes. Yep. Which is making money for him now at Gametron. So much money. It is. I've got to cash it out when we see each other, since I didn't see him this week. It's only been one day of the week. I missed you. Actually, I wasn't there two days this week. Oh, yeah, you skipped out on League. I did. You skipped out on League? Your own League? No. I skipped out on Team League. That's next League. My League at his location. Yes. You know, that he hosts and is the captain of a team of. Wow. That's pretty bad, Bruce. Come on. Wait, wait, wait. I had people backing up. We did not have anyone missing on our team. Did we or did we not, Zach? Annoyingly, no, you didn't. See? And we still lost to Zach. Well, that would happen anyway. No, it wouldn't. Ooh. So wait a minute. How do you have no one missing from your team if you are missing? Because you can have three or more in your team. Up to five, technically. Up to five, technically, yes. But we have four. Okay. And up there, so we had our minimum of three. All right. That's a cool league. And this Friday, we have our winter league starting at the bar. You guys have a lot of leagues. Yeah, we keep starting them for some reason. Yes. Because it's fun. More fun to compete. Did you guys have any repair issues or anything? Like, you want to talk? I'm sure Zach has all kinds of repairs. I know. I saw you have the number two Spanish eyes ready. I fixed up Spanish eyes number two. What was wrong with it when you first got it? Well, the ball count stepper was really dirty and wouldn't turn. Okay. So you get like two balls per game usually. But half the time it wouldn't step down either, so you get between two and eight balls per game. Variable. It's a great feature. All the score reels were also stuck, and most of the relays were so dirty that it wouldn't even work. So I went through and gremoled them per the Nick technique. It sounds like EMs are so much fun. On the other hand, then it just worked. No blown boards, no blown coils, no bad transistors, no battery damage. And then I went and rebuilt all the pop bumpers with brand new parts, even like plungers and stuff, and they really pop. But no coils. Never replace a coil unless it zones out bad. Yeah, they tend to be fine on EMs. I kind of agree with you on that one. Let's see, anything else? I know there's more in Spanish. You got, like, what, 70 games or something? No, I only have 48 games. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Not 70. Okay, okay. And he shares some of them with other people, too. well yeah how's what I you know if I have a game I don't like it what am I going to do with it obviously I just loan it to someone else you know I wouldn't sell a game that'd be crazy well you share also ownership with your dad too some of them yeah which is a great thing but mostly just whoever has the space to take one I know hi Nick hi Nick James it's fine all the Buffalo teammates the other league we have Ron Man, all this league talk Mine has just ended At least for this season Did you win? Did you win? No, it was double elimination I lost two straight Goodbye, I went home No money either, right? I have no idea We don't pay attention to any of the rules We released top qualifier Oh, yeah Oh yeah, he says, definitely No, definitely No, I played the finals. I played Twilight Zone, got my ass whooped. I had like $200 million, like $500 million. And then Simpsons was just embarrassing. I think it was like $4 million to $10 million. Like, I don't think I hit a single shot. Oh, you do suck. And two of the three balls I just, like, screwed up and self-trained. On a game with literally no tilt. I don't know. I don't know about the league thing. You don't know about a podcast. You don't know about league stuff. You can definitely stream, though. You can get that demo man back. That demo man. Well, I don't know. I just show up and play and leave. Sometimes on the wrong days. On the wrong, yeah, yeah. Well, not on the wrong days, but, yeah, you can do, you can play your games ahead of time, which ends up screwing me because the couch shot didn't work on Simpsons when I had to play my three weeks' worth of games. Yep, that's why you always procrastinate. That's what I've learned in life. That's a great lesson right there. Okay. If you wait until the last minute, there's always a chance that someone else will fix the pump for you. Okay, I'll have to remember that one. So my game's going to fix themselves? That would be awesome. Well, you never know. As long as it's still fixed in time for Stomp 3, then that's all that matters in the end. That's true, that's true. So the Sea Witch I now have just kind of worked, but then doesn't. What happened there? You got it from Dad. Yeah, so we did a swap. My dad now has Metallica. So he now has a fairly reliable game for him, and I get the Sea Witch. Which is a reliable game. Yeah, piece of crap. Who freaking vends those games and puts them on location? What, the Beatles? No, no, I mean, so, no, it's just it won't get the third flash. I mean, it's definitely a RAM issue. And if you kind of like jiggle the RAM chips around, you can actually get it to boot. Jiggle it just a little bit. You can boot. And I even got to play like a game, but then, you know, then it'll lock up. So it's obviously a RAM issue. It's either an issue with the RAM or the socket. Well, it's probably not the RAM if it boots at all. Yeah, exactly. So it's probably the socket. It's just that the legs of the RAM are corroded. That's a good idea, too. It's just a socket. Yeah. But I don't have any of the sockets. Oh, no. What is a guy going to do? Where do you get those? I thought they were, like, weird or something. No. I get them at Marco. Yeah, Marco has them. Marco has them. They are a less standard size. That's why I got a stack of, like, ten of them last time I was at Marco. And why are they not standard? Because it's a weird-width chip. Yes. Or you can do what I have, and Zach hates those little individual line ones. Oh, yeah, the SIP. Yeah, you hate those. I like those. The machine-pinned sockets? Yeah. No, no, they should be outlawed. Yeah, man. I use them all the time. They suck. No, they're good in a fix. When you need something right away, like, say you're trying to work that day, and you go, it's not good. If you need them right away, like, when I use one of those, I literally have to take the board out, get a magnifying glass, and, like, try 16 times to get the chip in. It's easy to just solder the chip to the board. and then you use it afterwards. Come on. That's like, no. That's why you have magnifying glasses. Magnifying glasses, you use there. I thought you just said in a pinch you want to do it quickly. There's nothing quick about those. No, if I don't have a freaking socket, I have hoops. I'd rather just, like, chop another socket in half or, like, stick two together and use those. You can make a... I hate that. Because they're in the replacement boards for the Williams replacement boards, the nice ones. That's the one negative thing they have. And, man, they're a pain in the ass. Every time I had to burn a new firepower ROM and put it in there, it's hell. Firepower. I got a Williams board with those in it once, and I just took them out and put double swipe sockets in, and they're dead. After, like, two tries, I'm just like, screw this crap. Yep. Wussies. Okay. Yeah, you keep having fun, Bruce. You keep having fun bending pins and trying all over again. I'll save my final broken ROM chips. Yep. You got to do it evenly. Cool. Yeah, it's just so easy, Bruce. Except that all the legs line perfectly, and I just drop it in. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Bruce, I want to see a stream where you do that. We're going to have a stream where just Bruce putting chips into machine-pinned sockets. It's going to be great. It'll be like a two-hour stream to do how many times Bruce can put them in in like a minute compared to us with Bigler sockets. There you go. I like that. Now, when you don't have the socket, though, if I give you a socket and you've got to make that socket, Let's see how many I can do before you get that one socket in. So you're going to install machine pins while I install a wrong socket? A wrong socket. A wrong socket versus a failed socket. Not a failed socket to me because I'd have those other ones in. Plus the wrong socket's easier to remove afterwards when you need to replace them with the right socket later on. That I'll give you. But I never screw up, so I'm good. I never screw up, so I'm good. Okay. Yeah, same. All right. Any more repairs? My countdown, the lower left red drop target bank stopped resetting randomly. So I checked the voltage. Voltage was fine. I tried grounding it. It worked fine. I tried grounding a transistor on the board. It worked fine. So I'm like, oh, I've got, like, a board issue or something. So I took the board out and checked all the transistors and stuff. No, fine. I put the board back in. It didn't work. And I was like, huh. You know, and then I went back under the plate field to, like, double check that, like, you know, the diode was good. And then I put the plate field back down. It worked again. Fixed. Fixed. Yep. Ground issue, probably. Does the Gottlieb throw power or ground? It throws ground. Okay. Okay. So, since you had power. Well, in this case, in the case of the under-playfield transistors, it throws power. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. I thought it was a little different than the others. Okay, so. Why don't you explain that? What's the difference between throwing power and throwing ground? Most games. Most pinball manufacturers. They switch the ground on and off via a NPN transistor because it's a bit simpler and cheaper. Yes. And then you can check voltage at the coil to see if you have it versus it's hard to check if you have ground at a coil. It's a bit weird. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. In the case of Gottlieb and their amazing engineering department, they designed a driver board with only three coil drivers on it, including the out-hole. Sure. Very bad. Great design. So on a game like Countdown, which has four banks of drop targets and a kick-out hole. Yeah, and the kick-out hole. That's right, yeah. That's five. Yeah. Minus three is two left over that you still need to drive somehow. So what they did was they used their lamp driver transistor, which are tiny little transistors that can just barely, you know, turn on one 44 lamp, and they hooked those up to another transistor, a large, big metal one that they just mounted, screwed on the bottom of the play field, and that one controls the drop target bank. And that's a PNP, isn't it? Yeah, because the lamps, they also switch the ground, just like the coils. So an NPN needs high voltage to turn on. A PNP needs ground to turn on. So if you're grounding it with a grounding transistor like your lamp, then you need a PNP. So you've got to reverse it. Great engineering by Gottlieb. Awesome. Awesome. It was a good way of getting around the issue, but the original issue was they should have had more drivers. They should have had more drivers. I mean, come on. The problem was... Let's not forget the fun part where they also engineered a system where the operating system code was custom programmed into their custom CPU chips, which are not socketed. So it's impossible to upgrade the operating system. And since they had invented this technique on their first games when they released the boards with the operating system, it's impossible to tell the boards that in the lamp test, don't turn on the solenoid lamps. And also the lamp test runs on a five-second cycle. Yes. so you'll just see all your coils lock on for five seconds. Ting, ting. It's terrible. When did they stop that? Was it 80 or was it just, I thought it was before that. They stopped what? The five-second cycle. No, the 80s still do that half the time. My black hole does that. Yikes. It wasn't until System ADA that they actually decided to not solder the operating system chips onto the board. you know they eventually figured it out though yeah it took them what five six years yeah no like Spirit was like 81 right 82 82 so 76 that's almost like three years because they were late to even starting the solid states that's what solid state came out in 77 76 yeah that's about what 77 no 77 was also countdown yeah countdown's like 78 I think but yeah but Sinbad Sinbad's 77 or 78 yeah so At least five years. Yep. Five years to realize they suck. First one was Cleopatra in 77 December. Okay. There you go. What was the first since an ADA game? ADA? Was it Haunted House? No, I think Haunted House is still six digits scoring, right? I thought it was seven. And now they're going to cheat and look it up. Yes, we are. I made my guess. I made my guess. I'm good. Oh, me? I don't know. I'll give you a hint. It has more than four score displays. Oh, it has more than four. Six million dollar man. Oh, no. Sorry, wrong manufacturer. Way too early. More than, more than. Oh, God. I would have never guessed that one. Like a six player game. They didn't even do a shuffle. Well, it has at least four players, but it has more than four displays. Uh, Caveman? A computer screen isn't kept. Oh, sorry. But, I mean, technically true, but Caveman was after this. Caveman is a media. Hmm. I was too far off, though. I was only out for four months. Uh, so it's got a bonus display thing. Yep. I don't know. Devil's Dare. Devil's Dare. Oh, I didn't think it had a display. It has four seven-segment displays, two six-segment displays, and a four-segment ball count kind of display. That was only up by one because Haunted House was the game before it. And don't forget Cool Speech. Kind of. Maybe not. No. Never played. You ever played Devil's Dare? No. Lowest me. But I liked it. Except the fact in tournaments people just hit spinners. I hate the game because it's too controversial. It's got Satan on it. That was actually a bad move by Gottlieb. They had trouble selling that in the South because of that. A little trivia for you. Satan. Didn't the original Backglass have extra Satan that they had to remove? Because even that was too much? That was by Doug Watson, did the Backglass. And the original was even more Satan-y. Wow. It's kind of like the video game Satan's Hollow. they had trouble selling that in the South because of what it was. Yeah. Be careful with the Satan stuff. Satan. Apparently that was Doug Watson first game he did art for, looks like. I thought he did some of Stern. I thought he did some Stern stuff, yeah. So they brought him in to try to get rid of their family image of their last artist and so he did Temple's Day. And they're like, not Not that much. Not that much. No. But I didn't have any women on it. It's just Satan. On the prototype, the extra demons were naked women. Oh, okay. Never mind. What's wrong with that? Six demons and ten tits. So speaking of that, has anyone seen the new game Tokyo Perfect Drift? It's those friggin' Europeans again. It's a, I believe, a Spanish company. It is. It's the one that did Captain Nemo. and it's got four flippers. It looks like a cross between, like, high speed and, I mean, it looks interesting, but then you have the artwork, which is, you know, we just had Monkey Gate with Oktoberfest, which got some new art, by the way, which there were some pictures which you could barely see anything. Yeah, barely see it. But this has the classic, I call it the ass and side boob pose that they seem to like to use on a lot of these games. Yeah, okay, Bruce. There's a lot of movies and everything else in the world. Yep. Yeah. Yep. And then the women are looking back at you, you know, the same deal. So, obviously, they didn't get the memo, but it is Europe. Nope. And they are quite different there when it comes to that stuff. If you don't believe me, look at Farfalla or any of the Sakurai games. They take it that extra step. Oomph. Yeah, oomph if you will. Um, but I guess... And you agreed with me. This is going to be, like, eight of them, something like that? Yeah, that's what they first said. Now I hear it as different stuff, but we'll see. I went to Italy one time, and, like, I just, in a train station, there's, like, a full, like, eight-inch-tall picture of a woman in, like, scantily clad underwear. Yep. I was like, oh, like, I wonder if this is, like, some lingerie advertisement. Like, no, it's just, like, a radio station. Yep. No relation at all to any clothing or anything. But no, we'll just put a full shot on there. I was like, huh, interesting. You found out she was a senator or something in Italy. That's possible. I think they had a porn actress in parliament or something in Italy, I believe. Gasp. I'm getting off track here. Repairs. Any more repairs? You always have repairs. What else is broken? Well, then the other drop target bank stopped resetting only during balls. Between balls, like, it would reset all the targets, and they'd all go fine. But during the ball, you'd knock them all down, and they would rise up, like, halfway and then just fall back down again. And I was, like, trying to figure out, like, what could be different or something. But eventually I noticed that it just had a slightly shorter sleeve on it. the other ones were 3-6 out, like 3 quarters of an inch out of the coil, which I thought was good. But I put a long one in there, and the problem went away for some reason. Got to keep that countdown going. It's like one of the few good games of that era. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you picked up another one of that era. Yeah, I did. Yes, you did, and it's big. It's wide. It's not the widest, though. It's not the – ooh, really? You picked up a Genie. What's wider than that? What's wider than Genie? Roller disco? I think Circus is. Yeah, I think Circus is. I think Circus is the widest game. And also the taller one. Apparently shipped with long legs. Picked up a Genie. Now, most people don't have a very high opinion of Genie. Usually it's, what, just the one drop target bank over and over and over again. Well, you have to light the drop target bank, and it just alternates off pop-up hits. Yep. So a lot of times... And that's the whole game. Yeah, that's the whole game. And I don't have a really high opinion of it either. But you purchased it, so what are you going to do with it? What are you going to do, brother, with that game? Same thing I do with half the games I buy. I going to mod the rule set And how are you going to do that In a different way because it a System 1 which uses horrible proprietary CPUs which have their own instruction sets so you can like actually write code for them So instead, I purchased a Lissy 1, or I actually hate to pronounce it, L-I-S-I. Is it L-I-S-I or L-I-S-Y? L-I-S-Y. Linux System 1. It's an adapter MPU replacement board, so you can plug a Raspberry Pi into your System 1 game, and then you can either just boot pin name off of it to run a normal game, or you can use Mission Pinball Framework to do some custom rules. You can also do System 80s with it. I think they have a... Yeah, the System 80 board, and they're working on a Bally Stern board currently, too. And they're also making their own rules. You have to assemble them yourself, but I think currently the board and all the parts just cost me like $70 shipped. Then just some soldering, and you've got a fully working MPU. Any ideas for rules? Yeah, don't make them because the game sucks anyway still. The layout's just pretty cool. That's why it's got some potential. Maybe something interesting can be done here. Like use the whole playfield? Yeah, like make the playfield worth anything at all. That'd be a good idea. Mm-hmm. You know, make the spinner not suck and probably replace it with a metal spinner that doesn't suck because it's got the stupid plastic ones that suck. They suck. They're so bad. They are. Hopefully, they have the same spacing as a metal spinner. Otherwise, we're going to have to get creative. But that plastic one is not staying in there. I know I saw a spin band with it replaced with a regular spinner, so. But, like, if it's that easy, why wouldn't everyone just do that? Because they're so bad. Good question. Yeah. Why wouldn't everyone do it? Or else people are just really lazy, which is probably the case. Pinball people are not lazy. We're all hardworking. Right, Bruce? Yeah, perfect, Yuan. You're just right on cue. Right on cue. Yep. That's why I was just so bored of it, you know, of all these hardworking people in pinball hobby. Yeah. Nothing left for Bruce to do. Exactly. Not to fix other people's machines. Which Zach is doing, I believe. Yeah, two. I keep on sending people to him. I assumed for this week, and I told him no. I told him no, Zach. Two old EMs. You didn't even send them to me? No, they were in Tonawanda and south of Buffalo. Oh, yeah. So I did right, didn't I? Yeah, I'm not going out there. I thought so. But you sent me to look at a World Cup soccer a few weeks ago. Yeah, how did that go? Let's hear that story. So they said the right flipper was weak. Okay. And not making the ramps well, and that they'd already rebuilt them. Right then and there, I'd be ripping them all apart. So I'm like, well, on one hand, you know, they at least, like, they're willing to buy parts and have the initiative to attempt things. On the other hand, I don't know if they did it right or not. You got it. And? So, well, it also turned out I got there, not only had they rebuilt them, they had a whole second set of rebuild kits ready. Well, just in case the first ones were fucked up. But I examined their job, and they seemed to have rebuilt them correctly. You know, there's play where there should be play and no play where there shouldn't be play. Okay. And then I noticed the flipper bat was cracked and held together by tape. Gee, I wonder what I would make it weak. On the other flipper. That was strong. Oh, okay. Wow. So then I went and I cleaned the flipper optos, and that fixed it. which is because the next step was replace the fliptronic's board I didn't want to do that no I wouldn't either although I did bring one along to test so uh that was solved although now they want me to do a full tear down shop job on it so we'll see how that goes but maybe I'll have a World Cup soccer to play with for a while ah John Papadu's best game hmm what? okay what's better then? no I just gotta think about it Is Circus Voltaire better? No. Okay. Is Theater of Magic better? No. Is Star Wars Episode I better? Never played it. Okay. No, it's not. Never even seen one. Okay. Is Tales of the Arabian Nights better? Well, the toy sucks. Probably his worst toy of any game. The lamp? No, the genie. I actually like the ball save I like the ball save well the ball save is cool although I I probably prefer Peter Magic's ball save just cause they work more work better but you get a ball save out of it at least you get a ball save as long as it actually hits that switch but definitely cool ball saves cool layout cool ramps but the genie just like hit him and that's it like not very fun maybe his Houdini was better who knows it did look pretty cool from the pictures I saw yep I was like, damn, that would have not sucked, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, but actual cup sucker is up there as far as layout and stuff like that goes. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. You gotta love the dogs. And the call-outs are just superior. They get old fast. No, they don't. Wrong again. Go! Go! Come on. All right. Not a big following out of us, too. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, Bruce, it's not like you own, like, five of them. And where are they? Landfill. Why'd you keep buying them? Because they were cheap. Because they were cheap. All right, let's get on to the news here. Because there's really not that much news. Finberg tickets go on sale February 23rd. Yes, they do. Get ready, everyone. You probably got 20 to 30 minutes. to get your seconds. No, no, no, no. They sold out in, what, 20 minutes? Plus it's going to be, what, 1,000 instead of 750 or whatever? They only served for like 40 seconds, though. And then some of it timed out and you could get in. But, like, if you went in there a minute late, you're already being told that they're out. You're the bad. So don't do that. Try your best to get in. Keep refreshing. Yep. And so it's like been an hour just to sit there. Yep. EJ West site. Do it on every computer at once just to see which one gets in first. Cell connection and your home internet connection. Good idea. I'll click on it and do it from a cell phone on the road. Yeah. And leave your phone on the dash of the car so it overheats. Or like when I was going to get into Texas and I pulled over, like, okay, I'm all set, and there's no signal. So I'm screwed. Yep. Couldn't get in. don't be on the road at all when you're trying to get into Pinbird. Don't do a run. I didn't have a choice. I was picking up the prospector. No, you just, like, find the rest of the time, like, an hour before, and just sit there for a little bit. I have to agree with him on that one. I wasn't really, like, I need to get into the Texas Pinball Festival tournament. I wasn't, you know, I was like, oh, okay. Sure. You'd even want to get in. Come on. Yeah, pretty much. That's true. Because I just, I never get in anyway. And I'm looking at the new Oktoberfest art, which is kind of blurry and grainy and stuff. And you'd think people would have better cell phone cameras at this point. You'd think the artwork that they, you know, done. Had problems with. Yeah. Yeah. If you're trying to save face here, wouldn't you want people to see your new face? Face. Face. Face. That was that news. And then we got Monster. We have diamonds in the rough. Monsters in a rough. What's diamonds in a rough? Diamonds are coming out. People are getting their diamond by Beatles. Beatle diamonds, yeah. Including my sunshine laundromat. Why? I have no idea you would want a diamond other than just say we have a diamond. Diamonds are forever. Diamonds are forever. It's like a little ticket to pay back. Yeah. Yeah. How much take are we going to have to pay that? That's just insane. A dollar a game? You just need two lifetimes. Yeah, 20,000 plays or God knows how much that was. I think it was more than 20. Monster Pros on the line, supposedly, by Minnesota Pinball, who's pretty much always right. He is, usually. And maybe sometime we'll even see like a picture of it that's not taken by a cell phone, taken by a cell phone, taken by like a, you know, like a sketch on charcoal or something. Yeah. Yeah, those were the pictures that were, what, taken at a European distributorship meeting thing, and then someone took pictures of the picture. But the pro-production line has started for overseas units, supposedly, maybe. So I don't think we're going to have to wait until March to see it. I'm sure Dead Flip will show us it sooner or later. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they will. Deep Root pinball launch postponed. the five days of deep root will not be happening at Texas. No deep rooting for us. 2019. Yeah. Yeah, who knows? By 2020. Yeah, you'll... I believe in you, deep root. You can do it. You can do it. But it became clear that all necessary deliverables would not be ready in time for our reveal at the Texas Pinball Festival. It really, like, why do they want to announce five games at once? Like, wouldn't you want to space them out to, like, you know? I think it would hurt your overall sales. I mean, why would you want them all? Like, I'm only going to buy one of these five now. Machines are going to be so cheap. They can buy two or three at a time. Yeah, they'll have, like, the premium five pack. Just get them all for the price of four or something. Jackson Finnball Festival Special. Five for the price of four. Although I do appreciate them, like, wanting to have them ready for sale when they announce. Yes, through two weeks. And the fact they haven't taken anyone's money yet, so take your time. Have fun. Yeah, I don't give a shit. We hope you make some good games. Just don't deep root us. Just don't deep root us. So bad. So bad. Did you know that Stern Pinball has grown 80% since 2015? No. No? In terms of what? Like sales or people or... Yeah. Yeah, what does it say? Increase the number of units it builds by 80% since 2015. That makes sense. That makes sense, totally. They moved into a bigger building. Well, they had an example here on this week in Pinball. Hi, Jeff. They said if they built 4,000 machines in 2015, that means they now have built 7,200 annually. But they moved into a bigger building, so that makes more sense with two lines fully. And they have 325 employees. Yeah, I guess that number seems pretty reasonable. Like, you know, if you see that number between, like, runs of Williams Games in the 90s, you'd be just like, yeah, that looks like normal fluctuation of sales. So, Beatles pinball share to 40 million people on the Beatles' official Facebook page. So, they're going to be sold out, like, instantly now, I'm assuming. No comments? I'm keeping quiet because I don't know I'm sure we'll know when it happens Yeah Alright, but you got to play Beatles again There's that So did you I did? Well, you got to play it once Yeah, I got to play it once, you got to play it again What are your impressions of Beatles? My impressions were that I should not have gotten the Buffalo Chickens sub while I was there Definitely a mistake Did you get gas or did your heart burn a little bit? No, it was like ground chicken. It was just like not good. No breasts or anything or no? No, it was just all, you know, like strips of like chunks. You don't know. Mystery meat. Yeah, supposedly chicken. Yeah. I mean, for the price, I really hope it was chicken. Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty. Mystery meat. Is that like a multiball? Mystery meat multiball? Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty. Okay. How about the game? It still contains four flippers. And three sets of drop targets. In a pleasing arrangement. In a pleasing arrangement. I actually remember that. Okay. Oh, fucking hilarious. I decided to go for extra ball because I finally realized how to get the extra ball, which is complete all three banks of drops in one ball. You know, light for the rest of the ball. But I was unable to actually hit the in lane to get. Ron, last time you just shafted the in lane on me. Like, your first try. I'm like, I could not get the shafts to actually roll up. it doesn't use the normal stern plastic in-lane guys that they use for everything. It actually has, like, metal vertical rails. Yes, it does. It has wire and then, like, separate in-lanes, so there's a bump that, like, stops the ball from wanting to roll up that, which is annoying. That combined with the fact that it ships with out-lane rubbers on the posts makes it sort of brutal. So I mostly just failed the entire time. Oh. But what do you think? I guess my point still stands of if Deadpool and that were sitting side-by-side Right now, I'd play Beatles. There you go. You heard it here, folks. Great! It has more mechs than Deadpool. So there you go. It's clearly a better bang for your buck. Well, actually, no, because it costs, like, what? $3,000 more than Deadpool? Yeah, so you're actually paying... Oh, I thought it was, like, $2,000 more. $53,000, $54,000 to $84,000 for shipping, so... Yeah. I thought they were, like, $75,000 for the gold. Oh, $79,999. Mm-hmm. Mm. Okay, so $2,400. Not including shipping. That's not serving on Deadpool either. And plus, we could just drive straight to the distributor and buy some. That you could? We could. Save on the shipping. But why were there so many locations right nearby to go play them? Yeah. Yeah, about that. We got Syracuse. We got Buffalo. Listen, man, you're going to come down and play at a Rock Fantasy. Rock Fantasy rocks. It's not at Rock Fantasy. We have, like, every city except the ones we actually live in in New York has one. Yep. And Binghamton. Sorry, Binghamton. Sorry, Binghamton. Sorry, man. You know, I'm just going out to Rock Fantasy. It'll all be good. No, it's not at Rock Fantasy. My Rock Fantasy's were good. It's a bowling alley around Rock Fantasy. That's where it's going to be. Is it walking distance? This weekend, this Saturday, they're having the Beatles launch party. So the first half of the launch party from, like, one day. Oh, we're going to have Rock Fantasy. Shut up. From 1 to 7, it's going to be at Rock Fantasy and probably Tapped, whatever games they have there, which is in one location. And then starting at 7 is the Beatles launch party part of the launch party, or whatever you want to say it. That's going to be at a bowling alley that is like a five-minute drive away, I guess. So I'm kind of bummed. Because I really don't want to go to two different locations. Oh, you're going to two different locations. Well, no. And then my company's holiday party is also that day, and they're supposedly having an 80s themed, including arcade and pinball. Did you ever find out what it was? No. So I'll know for the next show. So what do we think it's going to be? First, do we think it says pinball? Do we think it'll actually be a pinball game or a sizzle or something? It could be a sizzle. No. Okay. I'm sure it'll be a Quicksilver run. It's going to be a quick silver. I think he's wrong. It's going to be a roller coaster tycoon they found. Okay. I'm thinking more Valley Williams that they're going to find. What do you think, Zach? What do you think it's going to be? A Valley Williams? It'll probably be a really beaten Gilliam's Island. Oh, that's just cruel. You know what it'll probably be? It'll be the Twilight Zone for my league. Oh, that's really bad. They'll just pull it from Excel to your pub, and it'll show up like, wait a minute, I know this game. No. And the arcade games will be those new one-up cabinets. Oh, no, the arcade game, I already know what it's going to be. It's going to be a minicab, like, you know, 15-1, whatever. I guess they had it there last year. Oh, and you missed out, huh? So, that much I know, but the pinball thing, I mean, if they're keeping with the 80s theme, I'm trying to think of what games you put in there that are the 80s. Okay, I have a plan, Ron. If you don't, here's what you do. Here's what you do. Here's what I do, okay. You pull up a game from out of the basement. You put it in the back of your car. When they pull out a shitty game, you go, give me 30 minutes, guys. I'm going to get something good. You go back to your car. You bring on the game in. You set it up, and you say, this is what a real pinball machine is. And this is how you introduce pinball to the masses. And it'll be TNA. Because it fits the 80s theme. Perfect. That's the most 80s game ever made. Uh, no. No. No? You don't think that would be good? I think that as soon as the music hit, they'd be like, ooh. Turn down that music. It's too loud, you damn bastards. No, actually, most of our employee base is younger brutes. Oh. Dirty old bogey. Yeah, like tellers and stuff, they're all going to be in their 20s and things. Yeah, exactly. But they're actually going to have a live band too, so I don't know how that's going to work out. You could just crank up TNA a bit more. Yeah, it would probably overpower the band. It probably would. No, I'm not doing Ambrose, but yes. So I'm guessing, like, what game would it be? Zach, what do you think? I think that would be a good plan. What do you think? No, it's too much work to get out of his basement. Yeah, too much work. He's going to bring his galera. He needs a garage game. Just keep pull up in his garage just to bring to shows and stuff. There you go. There you go. Terminator 2. That's my guess. That is a great show game. I shouldn't have sold mine. Gilligan's Island, Terminator 2, and Roller Coaster Tycoon are the guesses. So tune in next week to see if they actually had a pinball machine there and what the hell it was. If it was a sizzle or something. You know what it'll be? It's going to be like a Revenge from Mars or a Star Wars Episode I. That was stocked. It's going to be one of those handheld pinball games. You pull the little thing out and a little pachinko ball goes up. Handheld? So you can hold one of those in your hand? Like little kid ones. Like the ones you pull. It's like Fleet in a smaller version. Like a little kid one. You pull the little marble. Even smaller than a marble. Fleet rules. Come on. It's just like Fleet. And it bounces around and you hopefully get that ball into something. All right. But we'll see what happens at the holiday party. It's going to be interesting. You're missing my thing, man. Okay, I don't know what voice that was. That was bad. Yeah, so, like, before you were doing the Men in Black Bugman voice, so which one was that? That's Keeler. Yeah, but the other one is Keeler? It was Keeler. It was Keeler. That's the Men in Black Bugman. It was Keeler. Bruce, all your voices suck, Bruce. By the way, did you see us? We were on the Gamers' Choice Awards. Yes. Yeah, you saw that? Yes, I did. The most prestigious award show. Out there Ever Ever Only the best Yes I'm at League And I'm looking up And I see I recognize Ninja Who's a streamer Gamer And I'm like I see the CBS logo Like what is he doing on CBS What the What the hell And it's like The Gamer's Choice Awards And the next thing I know I see like Gene Simmons And Paul Stanley Full chest makeup Like at the podium Like what the hell Is going on And god he looks old And now he just got He got blamed for sexual harassment He got blamed for sexual harassment? That doesn't... No, not accused. The guy from KISS blamed for sexual harassment? Oh, really? Gene, you're accused. Oh, that's amazing. That's great, Bruce. You can see my defense lawyer argument on kissonlight.com. Just go there. You can see the arrest report. Go to the accusement section. Yep, the accusement section. There is an actual drop-down on our page. December. Not December. That's a different category. You don't find it there. It's only a few pages down, and there you'll find it. So for the next thing, getting rid of the stupid gene thing, I wanted to do the Torpy Awards. Ooh, so let me go. Hold on. Give me two seconds. While you're setting it up, I'm going to get something to drink. I now have horse mouth from Dorian. You have horse mouth. What does that even mean? Whatever. So we have the Twippy Awards, for those who don't know. Those are the head-to-head podcast versions of the Twippy Awards. If you don't know what those are, those are the This Week in Pinball Awards for the best of pinball throughout the year. So this is the worst of pinball throughout the year. We have categories like worst theme, worst theme integration, worst call-outs, worst music set, et cetera. So we're going to put our choices in. I actually have the voting thing up here, and I'm going to vote as we go through. I might skip some of these because I don't, like, some of these I haven't even played a lot of these games, so I can't really. That would be unfair. No, it wouldn't. No. We believe it's fair. We're going with a pin side, you know, mentality. If I haven't played it, it's bad. Okay. So, are you ready? Oh, I'm ready. Okay, here we go. Worst theme of the year, based on theme only. Here are your choices. Pirates of the Caribbean, Houdini, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Deadpool, Beatles, Supreme, and Thunderbirds. So, Bruce, you start us off with the hate. What do you think? Thunderbirds. Terrible. Zach? Thunderbirds is the only one I've even heard of and it looked ugly to boot so yeah I'm tempted to say Supreme but the younger crowd knows what that is and that got a ton of hits when the video came out it's probably worth it just for advertising yeah so I gotta go with Thunderbirds also yay we agree so next worst theme integration world under glass whatever that is I guess the least represents the theme. So we have Deadpool, Iron Maiden, a lot of these are going to sound familiar, Pirates, Houdini, Thunderbirds, Alice Cooper, Beatles, and Supreme. Are any of these going to have a different list? It's just all the same game? They're probably going to be the same. All right. So what do we say for this one? I mean again tempted to say Supreme but their whole theme is that color and it looks it looks like Supreme and it says Supreme on it but it still was a bad theme but still as far as integration I mean what is what is any of the things on the play field have to do with Supreme nothing I think it's Supreme well how about Beatles no Beatles I think is very it says more on the drop targets How is that a world under glass? It's a seaway. It's repurposed. No, because honestly, it still gives you the vibe of the early 60s. Okay, I'll give you that. And what was the one thing you saw, Zach, on the back glass? Oh, yeah, like they say like one to four players can play like in the same style as EMs doing stuff like that. Yeah, so I think they did a really good job with that. So I guess you're going with Supreme? I'm going with Supreme. All right. I'll go with Supreme. I'm going to Pirates of the Caribbean. Whoa! Nobody goes against J.J.P.! Nobody! Okay, explain yourself here. If anything has the perfect integration, that has pirate ship, compass, the artwork, everything is... The layout is okay, but, like, the code theme integration is atrocious. Like, they don't even have any lines from Jack Sparrow. Like, you made a Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and you didn't get the rights to Jack Sparrow. I don't know how you thought that was a good idea. Or any other. Literally the only character they have lines for is Gibbs. When I said that, people were like, who's Gibbs again? He was Jack Sparrow's main man that ran the ship. As far as the actual... But that's more co-themed, though. I mean, it looks like a pirate ship. It's just theme integration. That's the theme. Okay, okay, okay. So we have our first Next Worst call outs Basically all the same games See this is a tough one Because you've got Pirates of the Caribbean And also Houdini I know I didn't get to hear Thunderbirds So I can't realistically pick that Yeah and I also I can't pick Thunderbirds or Supreme has no sound Supreme's not on the list Supreme's not on the list I can't pick Thunderbirds because I've not heard it. Yeah. I'm picking Houdini. Same here. I'll go through Houdini too. Okay. Worst music sound. Everything but the call-outs. Hmm. It's a repeatable song that got on your nerves. Again, I didn't hear Thunderbirds. Yes. Beatles. I mean, you can't pick Beatles. I almost want to pick it just because half the songs they chose suck. No, wrong again. Oh, man. Beatles fans are going to be sending hate mail in. Some of them were good. Some of them were not so good. Yeah, we know your music views are skewed. I can't say Deadpool because I like the video game integration, sound integration, so I really like that. The Supreme, all I heard was weird bleeps and stuff. when I... Yeah, it was more... It was pretty lame. I'm going Supreme. Yeah, I'll go with Supreme. Zach? I'm going Houdini. Okay. But, say, if you pick Beatles... Okay. Worst artwork. Playfield cabinet back glass. To go back to one second, I could never say Beatles just because it goes beep beep when you go on the loop. Beep beep beep! That's like the best sound work in the entire It should say, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Okay. Okay, worst sound. Oh, we did that. Worst artwork. Playfield Cabinet Backglass. I'll pick a Supreme. I'm sorry. That might be their logo, that might be their look, but it just looks like ass. I think that, like, as far as a rendition of the Supreme stuff, like, that's very well done. Yes, exactly. But it looks terrible. Because the backlash from Thunderbirds is just atrocious. Yeah, I have to say Thunderbirds 2 is really hideous. Oh, boy, here we go. I should just keep picking on those two. Two but it pretty bad Oh man we going to get so much hate mail Worst rules code I going to say Houdini and there a reason why Remember, folks, this is all just for fun. Don't get pissed at us. No, no, I'm going to say it for fucking real. Because any game that I'm playing and I'm starting a mode, shoot here, then shoot here, then shoot here, and try this there. You're already halfway through the fucking mode. You can play an entire game with some EMs, and all the time it takes to describe your mode to you. Exactly. I don't know, but Thunderbirds has you have to spell international rescue. Yeah, but guess what? That's a goal that you understand. Hit the ramp so many times. I mean, you're going to have to understand the Houdini rules before it lets you continue. Like, you have to take a test and stuff. Exactly. Houdini by far. No, I'm going Iron Maiden. Oh! All views expressed by Zach during the show. All right, hold on. I'm going to say Houdini, and then we're going to ask Zach to explain himself again. and universally will probably be the game of the year, Iron Maiden, how does this have the worst roles in code? You know, they had great theme, great music, pretty good layout, a few things I don't quite like, but still very well done and pretty creative. And then they've just got the most boring, generic code imaginable. You know, and then they have, like, great callouts, great sound work, and everything else is pretty darn good, but the code is just boring. what's boring about it it's just shoot up the center and then hit the drop targets in the capture ball and then repeat and then after a long time you're like oh you've got everything but ramps now try to shoot the ramps over and over and it's just repetitive and nothing interesting happening no choices being made plays the same way every single time you play it no variety. Next one. Worst toy slash gimmicks. Okay, what's our list on that one? The same list, which is weird, because I don't know what gimmick Supreme or, like, Beetles has. Even Iron Maiden. What does Iron Maiden have? Yeah, it doesn't really have a toy. Petunium has the Capacol thing, which breaks constantly. Which could be a lame one, because it does, you know... Now, are we talking worse, like, integration? Should we include the reliability of it in there, or is that a separate thing? There's nothing for reliability. No. Worst toy integration theme. I mean, Houdini has a catapult, which is cool. Supreme doesn't really have any toys. So we are including reliability, though? Sure, if it gets us an answer. Because I'm going to go with... Actually, I'll go with Deadpool. I was going to say the same thing, Deadpool. That stupid cross-playfield swordlock shot vamp thing is just... The disco ball is cheap and cheesy. Disco ball is cheap and cheesy, and the wiggling guy, Deadpool, little Deadpool. Yeah, that sucks. It's terrible, too. It's almost as bad as buying a $15,000 or $14,000 Batman 66 and getting a light on top. Ooh, okay. Look, it's a true. He counts, too. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. What's yours? I can see that. I'll go with Deadpool. I'm going to get an email from Ryan right now as we speak. Oh, no. He's telling me what the next five games are. Oh, my God, yes. Worst layout gameplay. So basically just the worst play feel. Houdini. Oh, you know, I played Thunderbirds, though, and... Oh, see, I haven't played Thunderbirds, so I can't say Thunderbirds. I'll say Houdini, just that right side. They need to take away a shot. Please. I'm going to say Deadpool. Really? That clunky right outer loop, and that shot where if the flippers are weak, you're going to be screwed in a couple months. Then lock it. All right. Yeah, it doesn't work well at all. worst display animations? I have to say because I've seen X-Gobby Thunderbirds. I haven't seen Thunderbirds, so it's... It's just like a DMD, though. I know, but it's... I mean, DMDs aren't bad, you know. I'm fine with DMDs. For me, it's either Houdini or Pirates again, because Pirates just does not even have any animations or anything. Really? It does at least have, like, the cool map on it. I'll give him points for the map. I'll say Thunderbirds. Oh, boy, here we go. Worst game of the year. Houdini, Iron Maiden, Deadpool, Pirates of the Caribbean, Beatles, Thunderbirds, Alice Cooper, or Supreme? I'm going Thunderbirds. I haven't played it, so I can't answer that. I have. Yeah, I haven't played Alice Cooper, Supreme, or Thunderbirds. I can't say any of those. Well, I can say Supreme because I played Spider-Man. Yeah, exactly. And I actually like Spider-Man. I played the home edition Spider-Man. It's actually not bad. It's actually not bad at all. I played it too. That's why I can't say Supreme. So I've got to say, of Houdini, Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Pirates, or Beatles, I'll go Houdini again. Poor Houdini. I have to say Houdini also. With a close Deadpool behind. Deadpool is right behind it. Worst bang for the buck. Biggest rip-off. We have some competition in this category. We have Thunderbirds at 5K, Mafia at 7.5. Okay, I'm going to stop right there. Actually, no, Supreme at 10K. I got to go Supreme. See, I was going to say Supreme, but Supreme at least has some resale value to it. Mafia has no resale value or anything else. it's just well luckily they're only going to make 20 of them now yeah because they couldn't sell even that many I know exactly so we got Supreme Mafia what's yours Bruce worst bang for your buck what was the list is TNA not on this year's list or no TNA's not on this year's list stop with the hate because it's not it's losing money so what the hell you know I have to say Houdini really people can't people can't give him away They cannot sell those things. Okay. Because guess what? It's the next Hobbit. It's the next Hobbit. It really is. And the second thing is, when you're buying a Thunderbird, you're already buying the cheapest game out there. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good value for the money. Exactly. So when you buy a Houdini for $7,000 and you can't even get $5,500 for it, you're in a hole. Worst new pinball reveal. We have a list this time. Yeah, we need a list. Mafia, Deadpool, Beatles, Iron Maiden, Supreme, Oktoberfest, Monster Bash Remake, and Alice Cooper. Now, Alice Cooper was revealed at, like, Texas and actually played. Monster Bash Remake was kind of unveiled when they didn't want to unveil it because people... Repeated, yeah, because people... You can't blame people for that. Oktoberfest was revealed at Expo. Supreme was revealed with a video that, like, a million people saw. Beatles was revealed when someone got the unlisted link and somehow it got out there of a Beatles video. Iron Maiden was revealed at the one tournament where they came on with like a 30-second thing that said, Iron Maiden. That one was pretty bad. Deadpool was revealed with a fairly, the video was like, a teaser video was okay. They just showed the ball for like 30 seconds. Boppy was revealed with just a video showing the game. amazing a video showing the game that might that might actually be on the better review I'm going between Beatles and Iron Maiden here I'm torn between Iron Maiden just because it was literally just like the word Iron Maiden yes it literally was just the word Iron Maiden it was like that or Monster Bash because they messed it up so many times yeah the thing about Iron Maiden is they they promoted that and when they showed it and they had like they were going to have the host or whatever the guest host the one DJ or whatever the hell he was said it and it literally was just like a 10-second thing with just, like, Iron Maiden, and that was it. Like, that's it? Legacy of the Beast. Yeah. I thought the pitchforks were coming out in Pinside when it came to Iron Maiden, so. I'll pick Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden. And what do you pick, Zach? I'm going to go Monster Bash by, like, a tiny margin over Iron Maiden. Because you knew it. Well, the thing is, you knew what Monster Bash was mostly going to be. Yeah, like, why are you even bothering trying to hide it? Exactly. Just so why? Just so why? Who cares? Who cares if you store a monster bag and we'll believe you? Exactly, but who cares? But at least with Iron Maiden, people are like, all right, we're waiting through this whole thing, and then you got the 30 seconds. The next one. Worst pinball book deal, and you only have two choices. I don't even, like, I can't choose either of these. I have no clue what's going on with them. Tautucky Pinball Adventures. Doubles as toilet paper thanks to paper quality. This is the comment it says. Stern's 30th anniversary book. That's now 32 years old. That one by far. I'm going to say that because that's just ridiculous. 30 years in the making and we're in year 33. Oh, boy. Here we go. Biggest clusterfuck of the year. The list goes on and on. Where are we on there? Home pin shipping first machine to Canada instead of Australia. Dutch pinball, just period. The monkey ass grabbing. The supreme pinball, which because it was expensive, I guess. The highway pinball collapse. the John Popadiuk ongoing Zidware legal case, the Todd Suckey book deal, the three-spinning disc thing, the CERN Beatles being so expensive and being basically sea witch, and CERN getting Godzilla over Spooky. How are we even quantifying biggest clusterfuck? You know what mine is. Biggest drama of the year. Drama. I don't consider any of them drama. well highway highway we knew everyone knew we were going to go out of fucking business and Dutch Pinball is just like Dutch Pinball is a clusterfuck they're their own category exactly they made their own problems so I don't consider that the biggest clusterfuck either I'm going with the Beatles thing just because so many people are like whoo I'm so smart look I could comment on with the word Beatles on a sea witcher sale like yeah great you and like 5,500 other people. Get over yourselves. You mean like showing a sea witch and then putting a poster of the Beatles on and saying, hey look, my Beatles. Yeah, like the stupid dumps just went on and on with that. It's not even done badly either. You have no basis to do this. I think the Beatles also, but I don't think for the reason of that. I think the reason of just the money. The money grab is just terrible. It doesn't help the hobby. Unless you own a Batman Super Ellie, then, you know. I don't get where you're going there, but worst rumored upcoming title. Oh, God. Oh, God. This is too long. Oh, no. In fact, you're not allowed to comment. Deep Root, Fire and Brimstone, the Bible game. Stern Beetlejuice, Raza, which is, I think, Retro Atomic Zombie Adventure, Alice in Wonderland, Big Bang Bar, Primus, Theater of Magic. Well, Primus already came out, So Godzilla, Elvira 3, Magic Girl, whatever Scott Dinesky's second game is, which how is that fair? Home Pin, a Chinese unlicensed theme, Guns N' Roses. Yeah, it is Scott Dinesky. Yeah, poor Scott. Steve Ritchie's original theme. It's like, come on, it's not even up. Superman, Monsters, Toy Story, Willy Wonka, Cactus Canyon. What was the first one you said? I think that was my most important one. Yeah, the Fire and Brimstone, the Bible game. Yeah, yep, Bible game. Yeah. I'm going to say the Bible game. Why would you do that? I'm not allowed to say it. You're allowed to say it. I give you permission. No, I'm still like Superman and Guns N' Roses. I just can't have a picture working well at all. Magnets. You know what will happen? It will be like evil. Look, there's Satan controlling the balls with the magnets. Or maybe Big Bang Bar just because I don't. Oh, I love Big Bang Bar. People are so worked up about that game. Overrated. It's just a game. Why didn't they make the kingpin? Okay, Zach. Gotta make your pick. I'll go Superman. Wow. Worst company image, public relations. I don't even need a guess on this one. Dutch. Dutch. Dutch. Dutch. They're just, yeah. They don't have to name them out. Yeah, yeah. I don't have to name them out. Oh, God. Worst Arguments on the Slam Top 100, which is a head-to-head. Why did they steal this from us? So, that's the worst argument. Okay, I'll skip that one. My favorite, the last one, it's a write-in. There's no drop-down for this. Worst Pinball Podcast. Definitely Slam Tilt. Wow, congratulations. We are the worst because I know us better than anyone. and anyone else or we probably shouldn't be answering that one I'm not going to answer it because I do have a worse one and it's not the one you're thinking not the one you're thinking I only listen to the good ones so I can't really say there we go congrats thanks Zach we're going to take the high road and be sure to vote for the head to head pinball podcast for the twippies this year next to us after us no don't vote for us we're going for the We're going for the people. Yes. All right. Sympathy is our middle name. Let's go to the mail ball bag. And then Zach's going to leave us. So the first question, because I'd like us all to answer this one because it's interesting. This is from Sean. Hi, Sean. Hi, Sean. It's, just finished listening to your latest podcast with the Eclectic Gamer Guys and thought it might have been your best episode. The segment explaining your favorite most hated pin from each manufacturer was great and got me thinking, I have seen several of my collector friends go through a progression on what type of machines they like slash collect. Often at the start, people buy the less expensive older pins, but then quickly move into System 11 and DMD era of pins, then on to newer and newer ones, which makes perfect sense. Then after a few years, they often revert back to some of the older pins again. I'm curious if this is a pattern many collectors go through and would be interested in your experiences and why it occurs. it occurs because of money and what you can afford and what you can get unless you're really rich in the beginning unless you're really rich in the beginning of a hobby you can just buy everything you want and see I mean, so I started out with System 11 games like the first few games that I got that I was looking for were all System 11s and then I'm now like that's my least wanted era of like all the eras and I'll just take anything that's not a System 11 basically Actually, my least favorite lately has been the Ballyling from the 90s. Really? Yeah, just, you know, everyone else has them. When I go to somebody's house, you're going to see most of them there. So I want something that I'm going to not see or play that often or have, you know, where I go, hey, look at that. I can play this, you know, and somebody else, you know, nothing I've played before or it's not as common. I hate going to people's houses. Oh, look, there's a brand new Hobbit. There's a brand new Wizard of Oz. I'm like, yeah, I see all these, and... Okay, yeah. I want to play something different, weird, and I'm going to enjoy it. I guess the other thing is, I used to really like all the early belly games, and now I'm just sort of over those completely, too. Some, not all. But, like, you know, I used to, like, I'm like, oh, you know, I need a centaur. A centaur's, like, the best game ever. Oh, and then it got overpriced. Then after you worked on mine, you said, fuck this. Like, I played yours for a while. I was like, that's, you know, Centaur for me. Exactly what I did. I'm just like, you know, I played from time to time, but, like, I was like, oh, yeah, I wanted a skateboard, and oh, you know. And then I just, like, eh. Yeah, for a while, I guess it worked. Old. Yeah, mine, I started with the, my first few games were Black Knight and Firepower. And then I kind of went on the, you know, 90s Williams kick. Then I started to gravitate back to the old... Basically, as I got to be better, certain games kind of had to leave, like Black Knight 2000. It's like, you know, the sound in the light show is incredible, but man, this is so boring to play. The games go on forever. Yeah, I'm really lucky that, like... I used to really want a Black Knight 2000, too, because it looked so cool. But luckily, before I could even afford one, I was already realizing that it sucks. And so I just avoided, like, the plague. And I just, I don't know, I got on the stern kick. Like, I played them at Expo. And then at Texas. Yeah, then at Texas. And basically it was just going to Scott's house and playing them. Yeah, yeah, Scott's house. And there was one particular Allentown where you brought his stars. Yep. and just played the hell out of it. And it's like, maybe I need to get some of these old sterns. And then we see how that turned out. It's like, man, these things are awesome. And we've ruined the hobby now. We've ruined the hobby. We've ruined the hobby. Yeah, there's nothing left affordable in the world. Yeah, there is. It's called the Yams. Woodvails, those will be the next thing. Those are just going to shoot up in places. No, pre-war. Pre-war? Well, those aren't woodvails. I'm talking about free war with no flippers, you know, so you have real... Fleet, baby. Fleet. That's what we're going to make. We're at the $1,000. I'm talking, like, up to, like, 1950 about. You know, like, anything before then, it's still, like, only a few hundred bucks max for them. Or bingos. Those are still super cheap. And I think I did, like, the EM things were basically... It was basically a Zach thing. It's like, here's some EMs. Here, see if you can figure this out. it's like when you look at it it's like hmm maybe I can do this so I think I'll get an EM well Spanish Eyes I think I'll get another EM Spanish Eyes is awesome and it's only a single player I'll get that first remember you used to hate Spanish Eyes until we made you play that pin for I hate the artwork I never said the gameplay I said I hate the artwork you were like oh you know I don't like that game much and then we then you went and played it and you walked back to the table like and I was like man Spanish Eyes plays pretty good yep yes it does I was like, Spanish eyes does play good. And then I got the Prospector next to it. So, yeah. I mean, my queue is getting longer. I mean, I still got to fix the, well, shop out the whodunit. Then we got to shop out the Spanish eyes, then the Prospector, then Sea Witch. So, very, very long queue. That's a short queue. Yeah, we're not like. Bruce, how long is your queue right now? Oh, God. let's go let's go through my queue right now Meteor have to go through put it all back together and fix all the wiring hacks still working on Cheetah a list of that Dragonfist waiting on the back glass Catacombs mostly ready so not too big on Meteor on Meteor as I said Meteor's first one oh yeah so you got like three or four yep that's it I think I have 11 right now. Okay. Yeah, you've got to fix, like, every game at your parents' house pretty much. No, no, not even counting all the ones at my parents' house working. Just the ones pulled up in the garage and folded up, like, under other machines in my apartment. Yeah. I have, like, ten games that have not yet ever worked while I've owned them. Are you ready for League Night? Pretty much. I need to fill one spot still and do a few minor fixes. Do you need a game? I've got to do most of them. Do you need a game? No, I'll get something over Christmas. Okay, I'm sure. One last mail in the ball bag. This is from Jim. Hello, Jim. Hi, Jim. How are you? He basically gave us a kind of a would-you-buy-that. It's an eBay link. Okay. And this one, you don't even need the number. Just look up Spirit Pinball. Oh, boy, here we go. Spirit, I feel that's pretty good. Yeah. It's a Gottlieb Spirit being sold by Rob Burke. And this is probably the same one that was at Pinball Expo. $6,500. Okay. Number one, when he first listed it, it was $5,500. Now it's $6,500. That's the first interesting part. The other thing is, look at the picture, the first picture, and do you notice something in the background? I see a Star Wars. Look at the back glass, the backbox picture. Look to the right. it's basically in between the Spirit and the Indiana Jones so that's the $5500 one no, no it's the same one this is the same picture there's literally a second Spirit in the background so I'm assuming this is the lesser of the two Spirits and he's getting rid of his dupes the interesting thing is like I said it was $5500 and now it's $6500 so he upped the initial starting bid and he has 7 watchers right now Do we think it will sell? I think it will sell I think people are waiting to put the bid into the last second But I think it will sell Look at the lockdown bar You ever seen that before? What's with the lockdown bar? All our listeners at home lean in closely Oh god it's got wording on it It's got a stamp It does it has a stamp which says I'm trying to find a close up of it Do you see a close up anywhere? No, just the one picture of the full game. Damn. It looks like it says Mondial Export and some other smaller words. So how hard is it to get a replacement Gottlieb wide-body lockdown bar? Not that easy. I wonder if PBR sells them. Any bets? So something to think about if you're looking at this, unless you like the engraving. It's interesting. But it's a Gottlieb spirit. So do we think it will sell, and how much do we think it will sell for? No, they're out of stock. Other interesting notes, they differ from mine in two ways, at least I've noted. One is it has a Gottlieb stamp on the back of the backbox, which mine does not have. And also the inside looks like the back wall of the backbox is particle board that all the boards are mounted on, which is weird. Definitely not how mine is. Would you buy that, Zach? Well, I already have one, so I'm probably not the market for this. No, you're not. Would you operate it at the Sliverball Saloon, Bruce? No, I would not. It seems to be in pretty good shape. Why would you not operate it? It should be the price of a spirit. I'm a Gottlieb. Jeez, okay, jeez, that's literally the reason. Gottlieb is why you would not operate. They're very... Ooh, see what's in the background in the other picture? Your hate knows no bounds when it comes to that. Did you see the other... On the other side of the sphere? What's in the picture? Well, what's in the picture, Bruce? Cheetah. Oh, it is? Oh, yeah, it is. Hey, how you doing? Also, don't forget the stargazer playfield in the background. Yes, the fifth one. Where's the stargazer? I don't see it. Far right of the side shot, there's a playfield leaning against the workbench. Don't think I see the cheetah. There's a checkpoint. Oh, yeah, a stargazer. See a stargazer playfield. And I saw a monster bash in the back. Oh, yeah, there's a stargazer playfield. And something am I don't know. But, yeah. Well, it looks like the boards have been worked on. It's got new interconnect. I want a cheetah. I need another cheetah. Yeah. Why do you need another cheetah? Two is not enough. It's more like one and a half. See, if you buy another cheat, I'll have to buy another Spanishize to keep up with you. There you go. I like that idea. Well, that was your idea. We need a multiplayer Spanishize, and since they don't exist, we need multiple Spanishize. Yeah. Makes sense, doesn't it? I like that. I like that idea. So thank you, Jim. Would I or would I not buy that? Oh, God. We have one of those? All right. I have many of them. Many of them? Oh, boy. It's already on Facebook. We're on eBay. Let's go for it. Okay. Here we go. 273-601-509-087. I love the title. Genesis. Not the band. Read the title, Ron. Genesis Pinball by Gottlieb Premier. Working. What's funny? The fact that it says working? Yes. $900 or buy it now for $1,300. Which is not bad. Yep. Seems reasonable price. Condition doesn't seem horrible. No, it doesn't. There's not a lot of weariness in the play field at all. I have had this pin for over five years now and it does not get much use anymore, so I decided to sell. I just cleaned and went over it. Plays fine, but there are some lights out. It has been revamped with other pieces I purchased. Also, the top left stress target sometimes is not registered, but overall this machine is in good shape and plays fine. That's a long sentence. Terrestre target. Does he mean the very target? Yeah, probably. Mm-hmm. So, will we buy that? I actually would for $900 starting bid. I'd go like $700. I'd buy one. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in this game. No, no. It's $900 or nothing. Would you buy that? When it gets zero bids, then you contact it and say, hey. There you go. Use the sack techniques. No, actually, I just never work at auctions usually, or at least off eBay I never buy things. I do buy machines at auctions. And if they don't meet reserve, then I go and try to lowball them, but they never take it. So I guess that is a Zach technique. Sure. Sure. Okay. Next one. 223-272-047-658. Oh. Split-second pinball machine. Okay, he had two of these at Expo, so I'm guessing this is the lesser of the two. Next to the sheet, I see the sheet in the background now. Yeah. Man, I've never actually seen a split-second back glass before, and it's not good. It's pretty hideous. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. I still like the speedometer loop. This is a 1981 Stern split-second pinball machine. This game's in good condition. and games play fast and well. Shipping will be determined. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It gives us, you know, his phone number right on there, so you can call Rob and ask him about the game. $22.50, would you buy it? No. No, I wouldn't buy it either. Can I make a funny thing that Zach just brought up a few seconds ago on the Spirit? Okay. Look at the backbox picture of the split second Now look to the right of it What is it The spirit without the Gottlieb sticker on the backbox Proving that there is two spirits, truly. Yeah. You know, until then, we didn't know for sure. We didn't know for sure. It could have been a really quick spirit. Yeah, it could have been just a cabinet without a backbox, possibly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Trying to fool us. Yeah. Okay. It looks okay. The condition looks fine, but it's a split second. You don't want a split second. You don't want it. Yeah, $600. I would say agree with that one. Ticket number 132883476327. Blackout, blackout, blackout. This one is in the living room right now. There is. I was witness. Okay. There's certain things that, like, if you scroll down, and the description of the game is literally like five paragraphs long. With formatting. Yeah, with formatting of all the wonderful things that have been done to it. That immediately means it's probably overpriced. It features two flippers, though. Wow. And two slingshots. Over $300 in new parts and countless hours of restoration were performed. Yeah, buy it now for $1,500 for a blackout. I would not buy it. Neither would I. That doesn't seem like a horrible price for an ice blackout. I agree with him on that one, too. Yeah, but still. And it is, like, they're usually pretty blown out. Yes, they are, and that one's not. Okay, you ready for some fun ones now? Here we go, guys. Ticket number 113439926902. Valley Freedom. It's not that cold out, Bruce. Come on. Huh? Huh? You don't need more firewood. No. Oh, very good. This is good. This is good. This is really good. Valley Freedom, 1976, solid state version. Mm-hmm. For $14.50. Yes. Oh, God. And, oh, one very long paragraph here. Wait, no, no, no. Look at the pictures. The pictures? Like the one that doesn't have freedom in it? There is a freedom in it. There is? They do want at least one good game. It's Star Wars. They also have a kiss. A ballet kiss. And then they have an Iron Maiden. And then they have a freedom with the American flag, like, as the cover. As covering the play field. The American flag is on there. That's literally the only picture. I know. We would not buy this. unless we ask for more pictures. Unit is available for inspection. Can be played anytime you'd like to stop by. So, four in the morning, you just come and call them on up and say, hey, I want to stop by and play. The machine is in excellent condition and regularly maintained by a local professional, so no need for picks. I've explained the condition to the best of my abilities, and by that I mean I have not said much about it, actually, at all. Well, no, it was kept in a home, private collection for over 30 years. I'm unable to verify personally, but wanted to mention it as it was related to me. What? Yeah, I know. No, we would not buy this. No, we would not. Okay, 173-675-294-668. Hmm. Electronic supersonic. A supersonic pinball machine by Bally. 1979 coin-operated Concord Jet. Okay. $650 works, but soundboard needs repair. It works so well that we don't need any more than one picture. I mean, the cabinet's like a 7 out of 10. Come on. I love the description. The description's even better. The cabinet literally is just a picture of the side, and it's got a ton of shit on top of it. Yes. Oh, the description. A used, partly working pinball named Supersonic by Bally needs soundboard repaired. Works partly. Wait a minute. Period. Works partly. Period. Tested a friend's CPU board and blew, B-L-E-U, out the machine. Period. It's up and running, but the sound. Period. Period. Sold as project. Space comma. Decent, but will need work. Space period. Used to play very well. Space period. What's up? What's the punctuation? tested a friend's CPU board and blew out the machine. Yeah, I know. I don't know what that means. Whatever it is, it's not good. No. Yeah, but it says it was just the soundboard, though, right? Yeah. It's tested. It's working. It's in East Haven, Connecticut. $650, folks. I'd pay that for, like, a fully working one. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Actually, no, I wouldn't bother buying one of these. It's not very fun. Ready for the last one? Last one. All right. 1, 2, 3. 5, 2, 5. 2, 9, 5. 1, 5, 4. I got two hits. That's weird. Two came up. Well, one sponsored the same thing. So you get it twice. It's for a space shuttle. 800 bucks. Please read description. Pinball machine as is. Parts only. Number one, pinball, again, is two words. That's an immediate clue that should worry you. Space shuttle pinball machine by Williams. Parts only. Machine lights up and turns on when plugged in. Comes with original manual. Just a little wear in the play field. Oh, God. Do I want to see the picture? Just a tiny bit of separation on the back left. Yeah, just a tiny bit. This is a vintage machine game, so there is wear to all parts of use. All parts. Wait a minute. What's the thing in the cabinet? It's like the grating. That's not right, is it? Look beyond the coin box. The grate should be going up. It's a grate that covers the back area. Yeah. No, but it's actually a grate that covers the back area for the power supply area. Because they put the power supply and everything on the bottom. That grate's supposed to go above that. I've never seen one of those in my life. Yeah, I have. Well, I had on my one that I sold to Mr. Smith. Oh, man, this play field is beyond blown out. Holy shit. It does need a little wax. It's a blown out game that doesn't work for $800. No. The inside looks to be intact, though. Again, no. No. No pictures of the boards or anything. Oh, God, you wouldn't want that. They might be in there. They might. Maybe. It's a puff. So this is a no on all three. We are agreeing on that one, right? And the power cord looks like it's got the ground prod cut off. So you're off that. You see it's in one of the extension cord thing that it's in. You can tell it has no ground prod. Veto. So it's perfect for us. That is all for me. And Zach has to leave us now. Thank you for coming on, Mr. Zach. You can go to our YouTube channel. by the time this episode airs we will have a Jungle Lord and a Spirit tutorial up. Ooh. So you can actually watch the awesomeness of Jungle Lord and the awesomeness of Spirit and how to correctly play said games. And I believe we had big games on both of them. So I know you did on Jungle Lord. Big game rocks. You had like the max bonus. We had some good games open at the beginning of Spirit. Yeah. I love big games. No, no. No, spoil it. Oh, now they'll only watch the first five minutes. But the Jungle Alert, if you want to see what a max 10x bonus collect looks like, you will get to see it. Spoilers. Oh, there's more. Don't worry. Oh, there's more. There's more. You'll get to see Zach's family. It's a great stream. So, thanks, Zach. Yep. Thank you, Zach. Have a good night. Bye, Zach. Good night. See you. Oh, now I'm just stuck with you. Oh, thank you, Bruce. Thanks a lot. No wonder you want to get rid of me, right? Don't want to get rid of you, Bruce. So we went through news. We went through mail. You gave me lots of edits today. Thank you. No problem. That's what we're here for. And you did a couple yourself. So I'm just making a name. The difference with the edits, folks, is like I said, I have a really inappropriate thing to say, and I'm going to edit right here, and then I say it. Bruce just says it. I don't want you to have to edit more. And then I have to do time stamps to edit out crap. I don't want you to have to do more work. I just go right for the kill. Beautiful kill. Wow, James Bond movies. It's like we did that before. Yeah, I know. So you still haven't played Beatles yet? Nope. Damn. It's in Syracuse. It's close, but I'll get to it eventually. Unfortunately, I didn't go play it this weekend because I pre-played my games at our league night for Central New York. and I got fourth on it, so it wasn't that bad. And I finished in the top two qualifiers of Central New York League, so not too shabby. How's our Dragonfish back glasses going? I don't know. I've sent them the money a couple days ago, and I've not heard anything since. All right. But it will take eight to ten weeks. Hopefully it's not Dutch pinball. Yeah, I don't think so. He's got a good reputation, so I'm not worried. Yes, he does. So I can't wait to – I didn't get a chance to ask Zach. Zach's been putting LEDs in his back glass. Yeah, I know. He's been busting my chops, too. Yes, he's converting to LEDs, Bruce. Yeah, I have a couple of mine. There you go. So any recommendations? Say I want to get LEDs for my back glass that most match incandescent. What would I get? The cool white, and I only put a couple in. Is it cool white or warm white? I thought it was warm white. I do cool. What's the difference? it's a little brighter but if I only put like five or six in the whole back glass area it kind of spreads out the color a little bit it's not like a big you know like one spot white and then the rest it kind of diffuses nicely so you know a backbox usually has like 30 lights in the back I have like five or six in mine well the thing is even like in my in my back boxes I have the lights I have out and no one's really ever said anything yeah I would hope so too including like especially the WPC games they put way too many lights there. You can literally on a typical WPC game you can take out half the lights and most people will not even notice the difference. Mmm. If you take them out strategically. Nice. So I'm really looking forward to the holiday party to see what kind of game they have there. I'm still saying Terminator 2. Oh yeah yeah yeah. That's at Gilligan's Island. And we gotta start talking about Stunt 3. What do you mean stop? Three. You heard Zach brought up. He let the teaser out. The teaser out? What teaser? That's like a summer tournament. We're in the winter, Bruce. I know. We've got to start planning ahead. We've got to start planning? Yep. Big, big, big. Like seven, eight months ahead? Yes. We want to have everything involved with this perfect. We want to have advertising. We want to have sponsors. We want to have everything. Oh, no. No. Well, yeah. We're going to have to bring the podcast back at least to advertise for our tournament. But, well, okay. I have started some sort of preparation. Preparation H? No. If our listeners may have noticed that the stream has been more active, being the Slam Tilt stream. Yeah, I know. What happened there? You're burnt out on pinball. I'm trying to get to affiliate status. I thought I said that last week. Yeah. You didn't. Okay. So I'm saying it now. I'm trying to get to affiliate status, which has all these prerequisites. I've been inspired by the pinball princess who achieved affiliate status. Wow. You need like, it's like eight hours, all this within a 30-day period. You need eight hours. You need at least seven different times that you streamed, and you need to have an average of over three viewers. So we got two to three down almost. We're doing good. I mean, my average viewer count is not the highest, unfortunately, but it's been high enough so far. I've screened about three or four times, so we need another two or three times. Seven? Yeah. You mean five? Four or five, yeah. Well, no, I have like three or four right now. Oh, okay, the way you said it, okay. So, see, if I knew this back, like, when we did Stomp and we were up for like eight hours straight, this would have been, you know, a lot easier to attain. but in talking about the streaming, I am upgrading the streaming rig. Ooh! With our Patreon support. Oh, that's right, we don't get Patreon. No, with the ripping off Carl D'Python Anghelo because I want to rip off the best. So I literally have the Carl rig a copy of the Carl rig that he used at Freeplay Florida assembled and sitting in the basement so it's on wheels so you can literally just move this thing around, just move it to any game you want, like, immediately, you know, instantly. No problem. No, like, you know, currently what I have is multiple, like, multiple mic stands that I gotta, like, move, and this one, you just roll it right over the game. Boom. Done. And it's adjustable for wide body. I have it, I have it set so it actually, it fits the cheetah, so it should be a good width for all the games at this point. I don't have anything as wide Paragon. And what I've done is I got a parts list. I inquired on TiltForums, like, what was the rest of the stuff needed? Because basically it requires I want to do wireless. And, you know, use better cameras, like actual cameras, not webcams. So I know the cameras. It's bizarre. It's like the wireless, it's like a transmitter and a receiver, but you can only do two of them. of the same brand, and then Carl had to do, like, the third one, another brand, because he couldn't do more than two for whatever reason. There's, like, some kind of limitation. And there's also a line of sight that's needed, but I should be able to get that in my basement, as long as I move where the receivers are around. Okay. So if we do, you know, stomp, where we had, you know, issues trying to get the stuff to, well, unless their game is upstairs, then we're going to have a problem. But anywhere in the basement, I should be able to roll the camera to, and have it ready to go with less than 30 seconds to a minute. Boom, next game. Boom, next game. Nice. So we can actually film more during the tournament instead of having it on a game that no one's playing. Nice, nice, nice. I'm doing that. I'm also going to be streaming, taking a cue from the Eclectic guys. I'm kind of getting back to some of my gaming roots. I'm going to be actually streaming some consoles. and I'm waiting for a capture device to capture because all my stuff is old. It's all like component, composite video. Yeah. So I need something to capture that. I have a capture device, but it does not work with OBS, so I cannot stream that. Okay. So that's what's going on in the streaming front. So expect to see more streams. That was actually the first time I ever streamed Spider-Man, the last stream. I'm trying to figure out what to stream now I streamed like every rare game I'm thinking maybe some Spanish Eyes Spanish Eyes get to see the awesomeness of one of the great Williams EM games ever made so what kind of preparations are you talking about for some we need to get sponsors and maybe get some prizes sponsors? we've never done sponsors Bruce we need sponsors we need to get people to go and do everything they can for us Why does Q have anything to do with that? So that'll be coming soon, as in like eight months or so. Six months, I'm thinking. Six months? Yeah. What's it going to be, earlier? June. So it's not so hot. All right. Stay smarter, right? Yeah, as long as it's not around like the 30 other events that are happening around the same time. We'll figure it out. We always do. Just three more shows. If you guys want somebody on, tell us who you'd like to see on. And if you know somebody who wants to be on, who's world famous in the pinball scene. Oh, my. I would love to be on. Have them message us. We're getting touchy. I'll message you right away. How do they do that, Ron? Send your correspondence to slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. Did you see Lyman was on head-to-head? I saw that. See what happens? We've lost our exclusivity. Did I say that right? Exclusivity agreement. Damn it, he breached it. He signed it. He said he wouldn't appear anywhere else. Actually, he did. He did not at all. I mean, how does head-to-head not win the trippy? Because we're going to get the sympathy vote. I mean, they've interviewed everyone this year. They have. It's literally not who have the interviews. Who haven't they interviewed at this point? We just have to try to find one other person before so we get the big bang at the end. The big bang at the end. Yes, you still want to get George Takei, don't you? I do. Oh, my. Or Gary Stern. I would actually settle with Brian Eddy. Brian Eddy? Hey, Timmy, if you're listening, come on. I know you. Get Brian. Or if you can't get Brian, come on. We were the reason. We tripled your fame when you appeared on our show. Exactly. You were our first regular. You need to pay us back. You need to pay us homage. Pay us homage? Okay. Pay us homage. He's got a shrine with Bruce on it in his apartment. No, seriously. I don't know if you actually listen anymore, Timmy, because you're not on the show. But if anyone else listens, maybe you can inform Timmy that we'd really like you back on. Or Brian. Or Brian Eddy. Actually, we'd probably rather have Brian, but we'll take you, Timmy. We'll take you, Timmy. And you can chill, Stern. We won't stop you. It's fine. It's great. We won't talk about other manufacturers because we know we don't want to get you into trouble. Has Brian Eddy ever done an interview? Was he on one of the top casts? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't think so. I don't think so either. So if anyone working at Stern, Keith, can possibly get Ryan Eddy on for us. Number one. There's one person. There's one person. The one person who might be able to help us out. Make it so, number one. Make it so, number one. Attack from Mars 2. Electric Boogaloo. So, yes, we are the Slam Till Podcast. This has been episode 120, the fourth flash. We can be found at slamtillpodcast.com and it has all our links on there. Facebook link, Twitter link, Twitch link, Instagram. You just, yeah. And guess what, Bruce? What? Someone must have heard us. And they've already sent an email to slam4podcasts.gmail.com. And what did they say? Actually, it's from the pinball princess. Oh, my God. Literally just sent it in, man. We were about to end. Are you ready? Hi, Ron and Bruce. My slow burn slam tilt binge is almost at an end. I have finally just about caught up with everyone else. Having the weird slam tilting announcement episode playing as I write. Oh, that must have been the announcement episode. Oh, my. Oh, my. I hopefully have said this before, but even if I'm a little sad to see you two dial it back, I totally get it. You guys are busy. Real life takes a ton of work. Running a business takes a ton of work. Doing a podcast takes a ton of work. Doing it on an actual regular basis, even more so. I can see how you would get burned out from balancing real life with discussing pinball on a regular basis. Since coming up with the content past, hey, so the news is a thing is quite difficult. Also, the editing. Oh, my God, the editing. We're lucky we don't edit anymore, really. I actually edited a little more of the last podcast. Oh, okay. Well, I had to because of the echo effect from your phone. I didn't hear it at all. It was perfect. Yeah, because I edited it all out. It was beautiful. Continuing. I am kind of glad to hear that Bruce will hopefully have some more time to take a breather while making the Silver Ball Saloon the best it can be. It's already super-duper ultra-awesome, and it's super evident that he's been putting more energy than most humans have, let alone have despair, keeping a diamond like that from getting lost in six feet of lake effects? No. Yes, I agree. Thank you, Seth. I am also glad that Ron will be able to recuperate by stepping back. Doing something like podcasting or streaming takes a lot out of you, especially if you are the kind of person who prefers to blend into the background. There is a weird conflict where you want to be heard sometimes, but it also gets quickly overwhelming when you are being heard. Believe it or not, I go through this every time I write you to a letter, especially because of how easily my word count can go overboard. No. Never. We love you. We love you. It is kind of reassuring to know that you are willing, planning to do episodes in the future, even if they are on a coast-to-coast-esque schedule. An unexpected episode from Slam Tilt and My Podcatcher sounds like a nice surprise should it happen. On the topic of possible post-2018 episodes, I am curious as to whether you would continue the movie-inspired subtitles. Since these hypothetical episodes would probably be irregular, you can incorporate standalone movies into your repertoire. Write again soon, probably. Player 31915. Thank you, Steph. And Bruce, it says something in Steph's email here about the Silver Ball Saloon. Where is that? That is in East Rochester, New York, 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. And here's the funny thing. Can I bring up a funny thing? The landlord's secretary came by the building yesterday. She's like, oh. I said, hey, when do you want to get rid of the piano? Oh, my gosh. Oh, the piano. For those who don't know, there's a piano sitting at the back of the, yeah, where all the pinball machines are, just sitting there taking up space. It takes up two spaces of games. So we can put two more games in. Yeah, and it, like, can't be moved because it's the landlord's or whatever. they might be donating it to a dance studio. So if they do, bye-bye. Bye-bye. So I'm hoping. It would be awesome. So we are open Tuesday through Sunday. Monday is my relaxation zen day. Well, which we're going to have to talk about. Our final episode, according to my schedule, is the 31st. Is the 31st, but you're open, I assume, because we wouldn't be open there. Oh, yes. So we'll have to figure something out. Maybe do the 30th. Mm-hmm. I know you are a party animal, and you like to go partying every New Year's Eve and do dance parties. I'm more worried about it'll be so much partying that I won't be able to hear you when we record. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I think we'll be doing the 30th the next two, or like the Sundays next two. The last two, I mean. The last two. Oh, you don't want to record on Christmas Eve? I'm actually hopefully going to be gone. Traveling, maybe. Traveling? Yeah, maybe. Maybe we'll be in New Jersey. breakfast sandwiches and bagels. Real food. Real food. Okay. So, again, this has been episode 120. Check out our non-sponsor sponsors. Joe Newhart at Pinball Star Amusements. Use him for all your non-stern pinball buying needs. Also, Mike Pupo of Flipper Fidelity. Use his sound systems in your pinball machines. He is also a stern distributor. We have the Slam Tilt Podcast. Again, we can be reached at slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. Thanks, everybody. What did I miss? We also have Fun with Boners. Fun with Boners. Isaac. The Riptide Pinball Podcast. The Pinball Profile. We have the Pinball Players Podcast. I'm sure I'm missing Mrs. Pin. We can't forget Mrs. Pin. I want my fucking cookies. Wow. The Collected Gamers Pinball Podcast. The Collected Gamers. All the podcasts. We love everyone. It's the greatest. Everybody. We love everybody. Be happy. Be happy. Say goodbye, Bruce. I'm trying to find a name. I've been looking for five minutes while you've been doing this whole thing. You have failed miserably. I have failed positively. So we have our stinger. Cool. Yes, we do. No, we had our stinger before. Your stinger was the best. I'm not including that. Oh, you are fucking such a wuss. For our Patreon, if you want to hear a piece. For our picture of money. These extremely inappropriate things that either I or Bruce say that are edited out in the sake of having a good, clean podcast. Fuck that. Just give us money, and we will have it. As long as you promise not to spread it throughout the Internet, because that would never happen. Right? No one would ever do that. God, I hate when you can't find something. Yeah. This is scintillating. Yeah, we're up to 104 likes now. That's what I'm trying to find, the last like we got. 105 people now like us. Holy shit, we have more likes in the past week than we have. We're just so liked. We're liked. Did I mention I'm streaming a lot now? You are streaming. Killing time, killing time. I don't have a name. You don't have a name. No, I don't. I'm trying to find it. Folks, this is very hard. I gave them one thing to do. Yeah, one thing to do. Only one fucking thing to do ever. Only one fucking thing to do. Hello, Bruce. This was Gene. Did you see me on the Gamers' Choice Awards? Yes, Gene, you were fucking old. I know. How can you tell with my makeup on? Got it, got it, got it. Oh, okay. Let's try this again. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Jane Marie Ebert. All My Minds Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my.