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Episode 130 – Space Invader

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jun 22, 2019
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TL;DR

Tech-focused podcast on restoration, repairs, and newly available pinball parts; Deep Root teases innovation.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss pinball machine repairs and maintenance at their bar (Silver Ball Salute in East Rochester, NY), covering voltage regulators, flipper coil replacements, Gottlieb ground mod challenges, and newly available replacement parts like Quicksilver playfields and classic Stern flipper bats. They also briefly report on Deep Root's May 29 statement about their mysterious pinball project, positioning it as innovative relative to existing manufacturers.

Key Claims

  • Classic Stern flipper bats have been unavailable since the early 1980s when Old Stern was in business, but Pinball Life has just released one-piece molded versions

    high confidence · Ron Hallett discussing new parts availability; claims Slam Tilt Podcast made classic Stern games popular enough to justify reproduction

  • Quicksilver playfields are being produced by Merco with new plastics coming soon

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing Quicksilver restoration; Ron owns game co-owned with Bruce

  • Gottlieb System 80B boards require approximately 12 ground modifications because Gottlieb routed grounds through connectors instead of boards

    high confidence · Bruce detailing restoration work on his Gottlieb TX machine

  • Data East flipper coils (used in RoboCop) don't have EOS switches, and this was the first system Data East used without them

    medium confidence · Bruce discussing RoboCop flipper coil replacement

  • Low voltage (4.8V instead of 5V) caused Flash to lock up and reboot; issue was resolved by replacing the voltage regulator with an LM323 from EZSBC.com

    high confidence · Ron detailing Flash restoration; claims original System 4 boards had locking issues that were voltage-related, not board failure

  • World Cup Soccer ramps from Starship Fantasy have just become available after being on the parts docket for a long time

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing newly available parts

  • Jersey Jack's Dialed In has poorly designed connectors on the trapdoor assembly—they're bundled and tie-wrapped so tightly that the mech cannot be removed without cutting tie-wraps

    high confidence · Ron complaining about needing to remove entire trapdoor assembly to replace a broken flap

  • Weevil boards for Harlem Globetrotters are $40 cheaper than Ultanech boards and offer more ROM options and custom ROM capability

    medium confidence · Ron discussing his Harlem Globetrotters build with Weevil board

Notable Quotes

  • “Being they haven't taken anyone's money, I say go for it.”

    Ron Hallett @ near end — Defends Deep Root's aggressive marketing statement; implies lack of customer deposits gives them freedom to make bold claims

  • “What the hell? What's the deal? Why is it so difficult? All damn people just damn stupid.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid-episode — Frustrated tone about inconsistent design philosophy across manufacturers regarding connector placement and serviceability

  • “We are the ones that made these games popular. Agree, Bruce?”

    Ron Hallett @ near end — Humorous claim that Slam Tilt Podcast's coverage drove demand for classic Stern machines, justifying reproduction flipper bat production

  • “I'm literally going to have to take the entire stupid trapdoor assembly off underneath to get at this thing. Very annoying. I am not happy.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid-episode — Critiques Jersey Jack's design decision to tie-wrap connectors, defeating their serviceability purpose

  • “It's a wrestling promo, and Steve Bowden, who is an employee of Deaver, would appreciate this, being a wrestling fan.”

    Ron Hallett @ end — Frames Deep Root's statement as entertainment-style marketing rather than industry critique

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonSilver Ball SalutevenueFlashgameSea WitchgameDialed IngameQuicksilvergame

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Ron successfully diagnosed and resolved Flash machine voltage regulator failure (4.8V vs 5V nominal) by replacing with LM323 adjustable regulator from EZSBC.com, restoring System 4 board stability

    high · Detailed technical walkthrough of voltage troubleshooting, testing, and successful resolution; confirmed that original boards had locking issues likely caused by low voltage, not board failure

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Bruce undertaking extensive ground modification work on Gottlieb System 80B machine; requires approximately 12 ground mod solder joints due to Gottlieb's design decision to route grounds through connectors instead of circuit board traces

    high · Bruce states he has never done 12 ground mods before on 80B board; explains Gottlieb's poor engineering decisions regarding connector-based grounding

  • ?

    product_concern: Jersey Jack's Dialed In uses connectors on trapdoor assembly but severely limits their utility by tie-wrapping them together tightly; prevents removal of mech without cutting tie-wraps, defeating serviceability purpose

    high · Ron frustrated about needing to disassemble entire trapdoor to access flap replacement; contrasts with WPC-era Williams machines that use connectors correctly

  • ?

    technology_signal: Weevil board emerging as cost-effective alternative to Ultanech for classic game ROM replacements; $40 cheaper, supports custom ROM creation, includes adjustable clock speed and configuration jumpers

    medium · Ron using Weevil board for Harlem Globetrotters; characterizes as superior value and more flexible than Ultanech alternatives

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Uh, you got a prescription there, son? Uh, I guess. We're supposed to pick up some drugs. Well, maybe I better have a look at that, huh? Uh, yeah, maybe you better.
0:17
Ah, yes, Tom Anderson. How's he doing, anyway? He's having butt problems. Yeah, me too. I poop too much. That's too bad.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale.
0:49
Howdy. Wow, lots of energy there. Oh, it's very energetic just saying, howdy. welcome to episode 130 and it's been a while it's been a long while it's been such a long time it's tough to get bruce on you know he just keeps canceling over and over i mean he's this very important guy impotent i'm not impotent okay well yeah actually i actually am such a long time the gust should be going so how's it been going bruce what's up oh busy at the bar kick the bar is kicking my ass lately this past week i was 75 hours in today i got a call our uh one of our ac compressors died and so the guy had to special order it great gotta love that and then he calls me today at you know one of the days i can actually sleep in calls me at 10 o'clock. I'll be there in an hour with the compressor and the crane to put it on the roof. The crane? Okay. Yeah, because it's 400 pounds. Ah. So I had to wake up early, get dressed, jump in the shower, get to the place, just pulling in, the crane's pulling up right in front of the building.
2:04
RoboCop
game
TX (Gottlieb)game
Harlem Globetrottersgame
Dragon Fistgame
Batmangame
Rotten Dog Amusementscompany
EZSBC.comcompany
Amusements Pluscompany
Mercocompany
Pinball Lifecompany
Starship Fantasycompany
Deep Rootcompany
Steve Bowdenperson
Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
Slam Tilt Podcastorganization
Zach Sharpeperson

supply_chain_signal: Multiple previously unavailable parts now in stock: classic Stern one-piece molded flipper bats (unavailable since early 1980s), Quicksilver playfields with reproduction options, World Cup Soccer ramps, and new Stern flipper bat variants

high · Ron reports finding these on Pinball Life; describes current month as 'one of the most exciting parts months I can ever remember'; attributes some availability directly to Slam Tilt Podcast's coverage increasing demand for classic Stern machines

  • ?

    product_strategy: Quicksilver playfield reproduction strategy includes Merco clearcoating with new plastics coming soon; repositioning available through discount offers despite timing gaps before plastic availability

    medium · Ron and Bruce discussing whether to pursue new Quicksilver playfield; mention of Merco's clearcoating quality and discount availability despite plastics not yet in stock

  • ?

    operational_signal: Bruce experiencing recurring failures in newer Stern flipper mechanisms at Silver Ball Salute; specifically EOS switch and EOS switch contact piece failures occurring frequently on multiple machines

    high · Bruce reports pattern of breaking either EOS switch itself or plastic push piece on contact; sourcing replacements locally through Amusements Plus distributor

  • ?

    business_signal: Deep Root released May 29 statement claiming 'hundreds of unique pinball innovations' and 'tens of titles' in simultaneous development; positioned as more innovative than existing manufacturers; framed as wrestling-style promo

    medium · Ron reads Deep Root statement on-air; characterizes it as wrestling promo comparing to Steve Hogan/Macho Man style; notes Deep Root has not taken customer money, giving them freedom to make bold claims

  • ?

    design_innovation: Pinball Life released one-piece molded classic Stern flipper bats with correct size, shaft diameter, groove, and Type I/Type II base plate compatibility; represents first new production since early 1980s Old Stern era

    high · Ron discovered and ordered new Stern flipper bats from Pinball Life; detailed specifications match original equipment; first availability in decades

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Inconsistent connector design practices across manufacturers: Williams/WPC used connectors for easy mech removal; Jersey Jack uses connectors but tie-wraps them too tightly; Spooky TNA avoided connectors entirely; System 11 era soldered everything directly to boards

    high · Ron contrasting design approaches across eras; frustration with lack of standardization; identifies Williams as having best service design philosophy

    • So I was there from 10.30 on after being at the bar at 2 o'clock. So yeah, fun stuff. Everyone wants to own a bar. Everyone should own a bar. And what bar is that, Bruce? The Silver Ball Salute in East Rochester, New York. I want to know, where is it? Where can I punch it in in my GPS? It's 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. 144-45.
    2:30
    So good to hear that again. Yeah. Well, since we haven't talked in a while, we've got a full docket here. How have you been, Ron? I haven't asked you. How have you been?
    2:40
    I've been all right. I've been working on the getting sea witch ready. For what? For, well, I'm going to bring it to Saratoga. Ooh. Interesting thing is, my idea was I was hoping someone would bring a Beatles there, and then I could put it next to the Beatles, see if anyone noticed. But I noticed Pentastic actually, in the Pentastic thread on Pinside, they're going to have a Beatles there, and they were asking for someone to bring a Sea Witch. So, you're bringing it? It will not be ready by then. Fail. I can pull mine out. But unfortunately, I'm trying to sell my fucking two games at Pentastic, and no one else wants to buy them. So you can pull yours out? I can pull it in and pull it out. Oh, my. Had to say it. Yes, you do. But no, I'm trying to sell a Hot Tip and Blackjack. I did sell – I had to sell RoboCop. So RoboCop is sold, but still at the bar. The person left it at the bar. Come with me or there will be trouble. Trouble. I'd buy that for a dollar. I put a game for sale. Which was that? Flash.
    3:45
    Yeah. No, not that one. Just the regular Flash. Yes. Here's the funny thing, Bruce. I guess this is kind of a tech part here. So as you know, my Flash has the Kahoot boards in it. Kahoot? And I didn't want to sell them with the Kahoot boards in it. Of course not. So I had gotten one of the Rotten Dog combo boards. Okay. I put the thing in, which has all these instructions, all this weird way you've got to, like, turn it on. It's kind of bizarre. But I basically, I get it running, and it just starts rebooting constantly, just rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting. Like, what the hell? So I check, like, the 5 volts, and it's, like, 4.8. Like, hmm. Oh, boy. Okay. So I tried the cheap one. I just redid some of the connectors. I got to like, I don't know, 494, and it stopped rebooting. But it still locked up once, and I wasn't too confident with it. So I replaced the voltage regulator with – and I should probably link this, or I should have known the site or what it's called. Fail. Yes, fail. I had all this time to prepare, Bruce, and I totally failed. let's see, EZ, it was called EZ something.
    5:09
    Or EZ. EZ listening. Voltage regulator. Surely that will come up. Voltage regulator pinball. Stop calling me Shirley. It's not specific to pinball. Oh, I found it. Holy shit, that worked. So these are at, it's EZSBC.com. That's E-Z, as in easy, SBC.com. And basically, it's a replacement voltage regulator, and they have multiple ones there. This is a LM323, replaces the one that's in the power supply, the system for power board. And they're cool. They've got, like, a little pod on them so you can adjust. They're adjustable? Yes, they do. I've seen those. Yeah. So I put that sucker in, and now it's, like, 5.1 volts. So I'm there like, you know, the original boards, the System 4 boards I had in there, the original reason I believe I pulled them is because they kept locking up. And I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder if that was a voltage issue the whole time. And like the Kahoot boards were just way more forgiving of the lower voltage. So I put the original System 4 boards back in. Works flawlessly. Flawless. Fatality. So 10 years ago, when I was a little less skillful, I just spent the money and got replacement boards instead of actually fixing the real problem. Which would have been a lot cheaper. Yeah, that would have been a lot cheaper. My guess is this site didn't exist then, so I would have had to get the voltage regulator somewhere else, but yeah. True. And I'm very happy. Very happy with that. So we're going to start with tech, I guess, huh? Mine as well. But by the way, folks, Flash. I have a Flash for sale. Albany, New York. I got a hot tip. Hot tip, Flash, and Blackjack we're selling. All solid states. Pinside, check it out. Please pick up. Pick up. Preferred. I don't want to ship. I can bring mine to Pintastic. So if anybody wants to buy it. I put that on there. Mine too. I can also bring to Pintastic. It's a Flash.
    7:19
    It's like the Millennium Falcon. You know, it might not look like much, but it's got it where it counts, kid. You know, plays good. Now the boards are solid. I have the flipper upgrade. Here's a funny thing. When I got the thing, I upgraded the EM flippers to, like, WPC flipper mechs. I looked at, like, some of the other flashes for sale on Pinside. At least two of them had the same upgrade. Nice. That's interesting. So I wasn't the only one with that idea. Of course, I did it, like, ten years ago. I mean, this flash has been at the final Rochester Game Room show. It was there. So it's a historic flash. It's the flash that Bruce won the first upstate New York championships on. I should just buy it. You really should. I should have traded you my hot tip for it. No. You like hot tip. I like hot tip. I'd rather have a meteor.
    8:11
    I have my meteor. It's all working now. That's good. Zach fixed it finally and got it all done while I've been running around. All right. Well, what do you have for tech? Well, I got a couple things. First, I had to, when I got the RoboCop, it had Williams flippers in it. Williams flipper bats or Williams flippers? Coils. So it worked better? No. Oh. Not at all. Okay. So I got the proper Data East coils. Now, those are the ones, they don't even have EOS switches, right? It's the first system, it's the first time Data East went without an EOS switch. Yeah. And I put the proper coils in there, and now guess what I can do? I can hit that jump ramp. Of course, it does get eventually a little weak because there's no EOS switches, but it's working pretty good. Yeah, my Lethal Weapon 3 doesn't have them either. Yeah, that's right. It doesn't. I thought they would. No. Oh, but I think that was the last one. I think it went back to it after. Because I think when they got to Jurassic Park, when they started having the kickers and stuff, they put them back in there. Yes, they did. I remember that. So put the coil in, nice and hot, and it works like a charm. First good thing. So next, I'm dealing with Gottliebs. Oh, my. You're dealing with a Gottlieb. Yep. All right. TX, TX, TX, TX. Oh, TX, that's right, the one Gottlieb you actually bought. Yes. So I powered it up finally, put it all together, you know, powered it up after getting it back from the show. And I'm taking it apart. I'm going through all the connectors, and I power it up for the first time. It doesn't power up. I'm like, okay. Let me just reseat everything. I reseat everything, and I notice, oh, wow, that one speaker is disconnected. Let me hook that puppy back up. Turn it on, boots, and I get this hum out of the freaking speakers. See, that's why they disconnected them, Bruce, because they're making bad sounds. Exactly. I disconnect it again. The hum's there, but it's a lot less. but at the show i couldn't see i couldn't hear it because it was out of you know busy show but uh yeah so now i gotta figure out why i have a hum in my tx sector i have all the sounds there i have the background sounds and i have that you know the regular voice sounds so but i have a hum unfortunately none of the ground mods ever been done on this so i'm gonna have to first do the ground mods to rule that out and there's about 12 on a 80b board which i've never done before Wait, you have to do 12 ground mods? Yes. Why? Because Gottlieb, in their infinite wisdom, ran the grounds all through the connectors instead of through the boards. So what happens with connectors?
    11:00
    They get stronger over time. Yeah, no, they don't. They get crappier over time, and you get resistance from it, and then you don't have grounds, and then you have problems.
    11:10
    So, yeah. Gotta love Gottlieb. in their engineering department, they sucked. Hey. They did. Their mechs were good.
    11:20
    Eh, I got to rebuild three flippers. But they had the best flipper design. Eh. It was good. I still like your original Bally. It's all state. But the Gottlieb ones, they had two bushings. And their flippers automatically come with basically dragging across your playfield prevention. Yeah. Just saying. Yeah. But – Then they changed it, though. Then they went with the horrible System 3, like terrible. Why did they do that? Because it was probably cheaper, and I think they had the EOS – the switches for the EOSs on those or anything like that, but it's just – yeah, terrible. Why? That would be like if Williams were like, you know, our flipper design is real good. Let's totally change it and make it suck. Probably. I would agree with that. So now I have to order my stuff through PBR. since they're the only authorized God League. So you get the cock block right there.
    12:17
    How appropriate. Yes, it is. Oh my. So I get to deal with that. Batman is, I told you last time, finally fixed. I still have to tweak it just a hair more, but it's been playing perfect with the locks. Other than that, everything's been going pretty good. Oh, we have now the fist at the bar. You have a fist? Dragon fist. All right. Even though mine's ugly and it has tons of mylar, it has become one of the most popular games at the bar. See? It's all about the fist, baby. Now, what... Is you're the one with the screwed up Bruce's face? Yes. Yeah, Bruce Lee's face is really screwed up. Yeah, not that bad. Mine is like, shoulder is like all screwed up, which is weird. Did you see the Sanctums?
    13:05
    No, not yet. They have like, his face is totally almost gone so what's with poor bruce's face he took a lot of shots in the face we're talking about bruce lee folks because that's who it obviously is but yeah yeah so um other than that yeah uh repair has been pretty light at the bar uh i had to rebuild actually the weird thing i've had lately is uh the stern flipper mechs for the newer sterns they keep on breaking either the EOS Switch itself or the piece that the EOS Switch contacts with on the Mac itself. The plastic push that pushes on the actual EOS Switch. Okay. Both are broken on many games lately. Hmm. So replacing those. Luckily, I go local for that, right? We have a local distributor parts guy that's right around the corner from the bar. Timmy doesn't get you a deal? Nope. Come on, Timmy. but i uh get the parts local so i keep him in business hopefully a little bit more and hopefully everyone else would keep their local places in business and uh it's nice to have that availability like if something breaks at two o'clock i can leave the bar run over to that place and be back by 3 15 and what place is that bruce that is amusements plus in rochester new york they also have a website and they do mail order excellent what's their address in case i need to go over and pick something up. Beats the fuck out of me. Thank you. Good job. Yes. Yeah. But it is a website. It is www.abusementsplus.com. So you can check it on out there. Let's see. Any more repairs? I actually have Quicksilver. Our Quicksilver. What did you break on Quicksilver now? Yeah, me. Bite me. What'd you break? I didn't break anything. Basically, I'm playing a game, and the flippers go dead. And then they come back. And then they go dead. and then they come back. Both flippers? Yep. So after investigation, I see that the flipper enable relay is just randomly dying and then coming back and then dying and then coming back. So reflow to solder? I did that, but I also looked at the back of the board to see if it was burnt because that's what issue I had with my cheetah was all the traces were all burnt, so I had to run jumpers and all that. Back of the board looks pristine. So it doesn't look like it's that. So I re-soldered, still kept doing the same thing. So I opened the insert panel, and I'm actually listening, and I can hear the coil, like, start to struggle. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then go off, and then click back on. So I think it's the relay itself is dying. Probably dirty contacts inside. You can take them apart on some of them if you can pull the cover off. Yeah, if you can get the freaking cover off, which I couldn't. So screw that. I actually purchased a new flipper relay, and I already have the old one off. Okay. So I'm awaiting the part to arrive, and I will solder a new one in there, and we'll see what happens. Now we have to have a discussion about Quicksilver also. Because right now I have an Alltech Soloni driver board in. Well, that's not the only thing, Bruce. I wasn't done. It also does this random thing where you turn it on and it doesn't boot. Yeah, that happened to me too. Yeah, that happened. I seem to remember that. If you just turn it off and turn it on a couple of times, it'll finally boot. It's just annoying.
    16:24
    Once it's on, though, it seems to just be stable. It's just weird. Once in a while, I would actually be upstairs or downstairs and I'd hear, bing, bing, what the fuck? I almost forgot to mention this. Flash, the stomp that we had where it froze on Steve Bowden. Yes. I apologize, Steve. Low power was probably the reason why. Fail. The Kahoot boards were more tolerant, but that was the one and only time it ever locked up with those in there, and I don't think it was a Kahoot board issue. I think it was low power. Low five-volt. I'm sorry. It's my fault. You can blame me. Yes, we can. So, Quicksilver. Quicksilver, yeah. What a great game. You've had it back at your house for one year now. Yeah, it's been a while. It's been one year. You know why? It was on my thing yesterday, me driving it back to you. Oh, how nice. On my thing, i.e. Facebook. Yes. So, are we going to buy a play field? Are we, Bruce? I don't know. I'm asking you. I mean, it seems stupid not to. It would be very stupid not to. I'd buy two.
    17:29
    Of course you would. Of course I would. Don't forget plastics, Bruce. Which are coming out soon, but not yet. Yeah, not available. But supposedly you can get some kind of discount. But even though the plastics aren't out immediately, it's weird. Yeah, it's very weird. But the playfields are being done by Merco, which means I would actually get them re-cleared again. Oh, Jesus, really? it's supposedly his clearest chipping uh-huh the penises never look better though they definitely look like wow is that what the penises were supposed to look like bold and green peni you got like the awesome back glass that's already in there from um bg resto and then you'd have a new play field and new plastics it's just like plastics in the cabinet is fine yeah just a couple little scratches that's all yeah yeah I mean, I'd like to go through it myself, but, you know, it's not 100% my game. So, you know, I just can't put too much effort in, Bruce. Yeah, I know. You're just lazy. No, no, I'm not lazy. Every time I look at that and I see that one wire sticking out in the freaking harness, I want to just rip it out and run a new wire because I don't know why. Someone cut a wire way too short and then put it back in the connector, so it's kind of like a little screwy looking. It's annoying. It annoys me, Bruce. I agree. Fix it, Dad. No, I can't. I got other things. I got other things to do. Oh, my fucking God. Like my Harlem Globetrotters, which has a new ROM in it. It's a ROM that a certain player from Rochester I'm sure would love. No tilt-through? Yeah, no tilt-through ROM, so he wouldn't get upset when he got a tilt-through. Who would that be? I'm not going to say his name, but he was very upset. I don't know why, because we should have announced that tilt-throughs could happen. That was weird. but uh yeah there's no tilt through and i actually streamed it works like a charm it's running on a weevil board which i had to actually contact andrew and we had to figure out how to exactly burn the damn thing it takes like a 27 512 but you have to burn the code in a very specific manner Maybe just put it in instructions.
    19:40
    Well, the thing is, most of the ROMs that come with it are the ones people want anyway. It has a lot of Scott's custom ROMs already on there. It does. But it doesn't have the tilt-through, the no tilt-throughs, because none of the no tilt-throughs are free play. Yeah, I know. Because Scott is not a fan of free play. So he didn't do it with free play. So they won't be put in there. But how is the new Weebly board besides that? Oh, I love it. The nice shunt jumpers, which you should have did originally, so you can just move stuff. There's like two sets of jumpers depending on, one is like the clock speed and one is something else. But you have to move them like both when you go from valley to stern and stern to valley. So it's actually $40 cheaper than the Ultanech bar now. Yeah. And you get more ROMs. And you can actually make custom ROMs. Yep. Which is a big plus. Big plus. Do anything you want, man. It's awesome.
    20:39
    What else did I do? Oh, hmm. You're not going to like this, Bruce. But. Oh, no. Here we go. Ready? I bought a bunch of LEDs.
    20:50
    Click. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the final episode of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Bruce left forever. What's wrong, Bruce? I have LEDs in some of my games. Oh, you leave me hanging like that. But I have them in the back boxes. Yes. Basically, I experimented. I put warm white common LEDs in the back box. I didn't even put – I never, like, put all the bulbs in there because it's just not necessary. No, neither do I. And it looks absolutely fine.
    21:22
    I can barely tell. I can tell. Well, you're going to love the Sea Witch then because that's what's going to go in the GI. all the GI is going to be warm white LEDs we're going to see how it looks okay isn't that great okay don't worry the CPU controlled lights are still going to be you know old incandescence but I played a lot of games that have that in there and they look fine to me and it doesn do it doesn do any GI relay like flashing or anything like that that I have to worry about like having a seizure So it's fine. It's fine, Bruce.
    21:57
    Okay, Bruce. Okay. You'll see. You'll love it. Okay. No? You won't? No. Not at all. Okay. So as you see, I've been busy. I've been very busy with the games. Then I was playing my Dialed In, and of course I'm having a good game because this never happens during a bad game. Never. And all of a sudden I see this flat, it looked plastic at first, thing just sliding down my playfield. Do-wee! So it's like, all right, turn the game off. And I pick it up and it's actually metal. It's spring steel and immediately I know what it is. It's a flap. And there's only one flap in the game. Well, that's not true. So it's the only one flap that I couldn't see on the game, so I knew it had to be the one that was broken off, and that's the flap that's on the trapdoor. Excellent. The trapdoor that goes up and down. It has a flap in the front of it, and the flap is mainly so when you hit the ball in the orbit, when the trapdoor is down, it goes smoothly, which it doesn't do now, of course. Of course not. Actually, making a complete orbit is now pretty much impossible.
    23:03
    So it must have been coming up, and the ball hit it right on the edge, like perfectly because it literally sheared straight off, like straight edge, right across off. Nice. Yeah. Not. So I called Jersey Jack, and they're actually – all I wanted was the flap because I can just – I can drill out the rivets, and I have a rivet press, but they're going to send the top part, just the little top part. But the problem is going to be getting it in there. Getting to it. Yes, I'm literally going to have to take the entire stupid trapdoor assembly off underneath to get at this thing. Very annoying. I am not happy. Yeah. And they have connectors, which is great, but they did it wrong because they put the connectors and then they tie-wrapped them all together. The whole purpose of the connectors is so you can take the connector, you know, pull the connectors apart and remove the actual mech. You can't do that on this. Not at all. No one did. Is Williams the only one who did that right? You have like Spooky. Spooky game has like no connectors. Like on TNA, they decided to totally go old school where everything is just directly soldered. So you're screwed there. Then you have, you know, Dialed In is the opposite where we put connectors everywhere, but we bundled and tie-wrapped everything so tight that you can't remove it without cutting a bunch of tie-wraps off.
    24:27
    Then I go to one of my WPC games and it's like boom, boom, boom. Take the connectors off. Take the mechs out. Piece of cake. Yep. What the hell? What's the deal? Why is it so difficult? All damn people just damn stupid. The worst games are the System 11s. When they started getting more complicated, but right before they started using connectors. So they got crap. Everything's directly soldered to like circuit boards. Oh, yes. And they go through the play field. Like how an F-14 Topcat has light boards, but the wires actually come up through the play field and then solder directly to the boards. It's great. Yes. Great. Isn't it great?
    25:02
    So let's see. Quicksilver play field. So sure, Bruce. I'll get a quick silver plate field with you. Okay, cool. We'll get the plastic still. Yeah. Do you know what else is available? This has been a great month for stuff that's never been available that's all of a sudden available. This has been one of the most exciting part months I can ever remember. Yeah, because we complained about it months ago. Well, the one thing is directly because of us, but I'll get into that. But World Cup soccer ramps are finally available. Oh, I already have it. You already got them? Yep, I already got them. You already got them. It comes with all the decals. All the decals, all the sockets for the flashers are already in there. Everything's ready to go. Ready for you to start with the wires on, ready for you to put in. Ready for you to put it in the machine. Yep, which won't happen until I shop it out next, which God knows when that's going to be, because it's going to be a pain in the ass. But they look great. I can't wait someday to put them in, but I have them. I needed to have them. So now I have them, and I'm very happy. very cool yep I've been waiting forever for those I'm sure people have been waiting longer than me those have been said to be on the docket for a long long time but they've finally they're finally available so it's a so what is the next Starship hold on I'll plug them Starship Fantasy yep they're the ones that took over for Pinball Inc with the ramps so what's the next set of ramps we need Dracula although someone on Pinside made some but I think it was a limited run Dirty Harry. I was thinking Party Zone. But that game sucks. I know, but they are needed. Yeah, no, they're not. Let them die. The game sucks.
    26:45
    Wow. I'm sorry. There's someone out there like, this is my favorite game, asshole. Maybe Black Rose.
    26:52
    Oh, yes. Actually, Black Rose needs, they need play fields. They need, like, everything. Everything, yeah. Everything wears horribly on that game. That is truly one of the few games that needs to be redone. and it should be because it's not even licensed. No. It should be done by now. Yep. Come on, Mirko. Make some play fields. Make it so. Make it so, number one. Make play fields. Zach might even buy one. Mm. Mm-hmm. Maybe.
    27:22
    But there was one more part that became available. Oh! Yeah, yeah. I just found out about it two days ago, and I literally almost shit myself. I did. I think you did. I was working on my Sea Witch, and I went to Pinball Life to order some stuff. One of the things I was ordering was just plain white flipper bats without a logo, because I don't have any. I have Williams logos, but I'm replacing the two top flippers with the Williams style. Actually, I already have one. This is the Williams style, but I'm going to replace the top left one with the Williams flippers to try to get a little more room to make the loop shot more loopable. and it's also a Keith Elwin tip so that it is we follow the one's advice so we're going to do that I'm going to do that but while I was there on the flipper bat page I saw like and this is funny the first thing I see is like new item classic stern flipper bat like oh is it is it but it was weird it was basically like it was the old style flipper bat you know that the metal with the plastic screwed on top of it, but with a longer shaft.
    28:31
    There you go. Yeah, shaft. So basically, it would fit Type I and Type II base plates. It was still the old style, and they're like, God darn it. They had me going there for a second. But as I scrolled down to the bottom of the page, I saw it, Bruce. I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. And what was that? I saw one-piece molded classic stern flipper bats. New item. From Pinball Life. So are they right? I just got the box. They look right to me. When I read the description, it's like, bigger than Williams flipper bats, but smaller than ballet flipper bats. Like, yep, that's correct. So it's like, you know, even the correct shaft size, the correct, it's got the little groove, you know, for when you actually tighten down on it. Oh, yeah.
    29:18
    So we're going to put them in and see what happens. But, man, that's a part that probably hasn't been available since Old Stern was in business, I would assume. Yes. So this is probably the early 80s, folks.
    29:30
    And you know who you have to thank for this? Not Pinball Life. Well, you can thank Pinball Life. But us.
    29:38
    The Slam Tilt Podcast. Type 1 and Type 2. We are the ones that made these games popular. Agree, Bruce? I agree. Because everyone complains about us every time we see people. Yep. Why did you make Stern so popular? I can't afford him. I can't buy him. Well, if you do have one, Now you can get the right flipper bats thanks to us and Pinball Life, but mostly us. That is all.
    30:07
    That was a lot of tech. Yes, it was. Now, we've been way behind on the pinball news because we haven't recorded in a while. There was a statement that was released by Deep Root. And how are we going to tell people about this? Well, basically, Deep Root released this statement about where they're at right now. and they're kind of calling out some of the other manufacturers. No. No company would do that at all. They're not innovating. Well, see, you know what? Being they haven't taken anyone's money, I say go for it. See, I see this as a wrestling promo, and Steve Bowden, who is an employee of Deaver, would appreciate this, being a wrestling fan. I mean, it's literally they're cutting a promo on the other companies. Okay. So how would you do this? Let's hear how you would. Well, I don't know. Should I do this like Hogan or should I do it as someone else? I mean, this is almost like the problem is. Honestly, the classic is Hogan. But if you really want to be down to earth, you do like you do Macho Man. Oh, God, I can't do Macho Man. Listen, brother, we just got, you know. Oh, yeah.
    31:17
    This announcement was from May 29th. So we haven't recorded in a while, man. Yes, we have not. Well, brother, we know there's a lot of excitement around Deep Root, dude, and this mysterious pinball project. We also know there's frustration at how long it's taken to see something, let alone experience the Deep Root pinball difference. If all we wanted to do was compete with existing pinball manufacturers and churn out the outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today, dude, it would have been a much easier path than accomplished years ago. But, brother, we chose a different path. The simultaneous development on hundreds of unique pinball innovations and tens of titles has taken much longer than anyone has wanted, dude. Are you excited yet? This is Mean Gene Okerlund going to ask some questions after this. Well, you know, Mean Gene, the fringe benefit to developing innovative pinball machines is the forced creation of multiple divisions and groups across a wide variety of industries and fields. These would not normally be found in a singularly... Wow, this is a lot of... Found in a singularly relatively small company. That's why Teeth Brew is unique and uniquely positioned to not only provide a different type of pinball brother, a different pinball experience, but a cross-branded and diverse exploration of new concepts, ideas, stories, and experiences, dude. This will keep deep throat pinball... Did I say deep throat pinball? You did say deep throat pinball.
    32:32
    We have a new name for deep throat. Deep throat. That's right, baby. This is Dusty Rose here. This will keep deep root pinball tied to more popular entertainment, brother. Choices and trends and our pinball creation is relevant for decades to come, brother. Do you know, dude, there have been endless amounts of speculation in forums or disseminated in the pinball media, the so-called pinball media, dude, regarding our pinball project, our finances, and even our separate and independently investment funds that we have very little to do with pinball. Wow, that didn't really... We've definitely had some good laughs along the way, the seemingly endless queue of experts. We'll keep on doing what we do best along the following schedule, dude. Are you ready, Mean Gene? Are you taking this down, brother? I am. Okay. And let's ask you all these questions and more after this.
    33:27
    WWF will be at the Nassau Coliseum on July 12th. Be there, be there, be there. All right, June 28th. By June 28th. Well, that's coming up. That's just next. Wow, that's actually right during Pentastic. By June 28th, we'll provide Zidware claimants who, one, filed and perfected a claim within the prescribed time and sign and return the Goodwill agreements, a choice between extending the delivery date or receiving monetary benefits is outlined in each agreement, dude. All the other claimants' claims or vendors' claims will thereafter be rejected, dude. You hear me? Rejected. This is the finale and extent of our self-imposed, voluntary Goodwill to deal with Sidware's situation, dude. So do it or you're done, dude. Got that? Let's see. November 15th to the 16th, 2019, at a minimum, several Raza prototypes will be available to play at the Houston Arcade Expo. Are you excited about that? Be there at Houston! Be there at the Houston Arcade Expo, where you will see exciting new pinball from Deep Root. Or Deep Throat. Then fall 2019 to summer 2020, i.e. the Texas Pinball Festival. Come on, guys. Knowing exactly when we launch is a valuable trade circuit. Wait a minute. It's a valuable trade secret. But they're so innovative and better than the other companies. What does it matter? It's a valuable trade secret, dude. but it won't matter because we're so much more innovative than everyone else. But it may be an undesirable competitive advantage. At a minimum, the five days of Deep Root will be scheduled at Texas Pinball Festival, and Raza will be available for sale during this time period. Texas Pinball Festival. We will fully intend to make a good on our 2018 Pinball Expo promises we regrettably did not accomplish in 2019 because I got taken out by Paul Orndorff, dude, but I'm recovered now. I'm tan, I'm ripped, and I'm ready to kick ass. Robert J. Mueller, principal owner of Deep Root. Now, Robert, we have some questions for you now. Have you been eating your vitamins and saying your prayers? Yeah, and I've been taking my steroids, too.
    35:23
    All righty, then. So your deep root will be deep throat to Andy today now, and we will be getting through everything. That was not intentional. That just, yeah.
    35:36
    As soon as I said, like, did I actually say that? What the hell? I know. the joys of live podcasting I guess yes we're leaving that all in you said all in baby so what do you think about that I love it it's just like as long as they can back it up if they don't back it up they just look silly but again they haven't taken any money but you kind of get a little sick of it's not promises But every one of these pinball companies, and we've said it in the past, have these deadlines that nobody has ever been able to make. Except Spooky. No. Not even Spooky. Most of them. They said they were waiting for, you know, and they drag their feet also on. They take a while. But eventually it gets done. They drag their feet on. But that's what I'm saying. They make these deadlines and things happen. You mean like Wonka was supposed to be what, the beginning of the summer? Yeah, the number one rule is don't fucking make a deadline, you fucking morons. Wow, okay. It's the truth. It's the truth to say summer. Now you've just given yourself three months.
    36:52
    Yeah, fall 2019 to summer 2020, it's going to be a Texas Pinball Festival. I know, but guess what? He just made it a year. The thing is, if they have Raza prototypes by November, they're going to have stuff by March. you'd hope, but maybe they're working out the bugs. Like they would dial it in, that kind of stuff also. We saw dialed-ins, and then it took, what, eight months before we got one that actually was shipping? Yeah, that's the main issue with Jersey Jack. It's like, here's this game that's not even close to done yet, or code is 40% done. Here's three spinning disks, so you're only going to get one on the production. Like, don't show it. Just don't show it at all. They're better off not showing it. like right now according to my distributor Wonka's are on the line so what day is it today it is I'm going to give up when we record June 19th 619 Wonka's are on the line yay so wouldn't it be cooler if they did the reveal like this week because remember it was two weeks I'm not going to show anything until I'm ready to ship yeah because they showed we're going to blow it all away Yeah, they came out what, a week after Texas or whatever it was in March or April, and it's like two months later. It'd be better if they like, you know, like a week ago, and at the end of the promo it says, production starting on 6-18. Like actually have a date. That would be really cool. You'd be like, holy shit, all right, I'm psyched now. At least with Stern, you know it's going to be within two or three weeks you're going to see the first production machine once they put the promo video out. Yep. Nobody else gets this. Well, they don't have the resources to earn ass. Guess what? But then don't do it. Because guess what? By the time the game comes out, honestly, think about it. Are you excited about Willy Wonka?
    38:45
    I'm not. So moral of the story, way closer to you actually going to release something. Yes. We'll see what happens with Deep Throat, Deep Root, whatever you want to call them. But the thing is, you know, don't keep on. I know they're putting out comments. I didn't even get the – Robert, the owner, he put out another comment on Pinside about how he has Stern games that are broken, a Jersey Jack game that's broken, or TNA that doesn't work, or whatever the hell he said. Well, guess what? All games break. So that was a stupid comment too because guess what? To say that kind of stuff – He was trying to insinuate like this isn't going to happen to the Deep Root games. Yeah, exactly. And guess what? Everything breaks. A brand new car has issues. A brand-new toaster oven or refrigerator or big-ticket items break. So don't act like nothing's ever going to happen with your product. Guess what? Something will. So don't insinuate. Don't bash somebody else's product. That's our job? Yeah, that's our job. But don't do it yourself because guess what? It makes you look petty.
    39:51
    Don't say anything to say, guess what? Everyone has problems with their machines. That's all. Don't go out and say, oh, this is this, this is this, because that just makes you sound like a rich, bitter man. That's going to be perfect. My game is going to be perfect. No, your game is not going to be perfect.
    40:09
    Stern has been doing it for 25 years or 30 years now. It's not perfect. No, it's the 30-plus years. You know, that book said so. I know the book. Did you see the pictures from that book? That book is incredible. Actually, no. Did you have an insider source, Bruce? No, not at all. But guess what? It's going to come out on the 35th anniversary.
    40:31
    For those who are wondering what the hell they're talking about, it's the Stern 30th anniversary book that was supposed to come out two years ago, three years ago. No, 2016 it was supposed to come out. Yeah, how are you doing? Yeah, they had the Kickstarter for it. Now they came out with the deal like, okay, Kickstarter backers, we can release it right now as an incomplete piece of shit, or you can continue to wait. Yeah. Basically, we're putting the onus on you. Yeah, it's your fault. It's your fault. Like, fuck you. Come on. That's just so bad. That's so bad. Well, we know why. We know why it's actually failing. Why? Because Marty bought into this fucking Kickstarter shit and everything he seems like he buys. Okay. Yes. I didn't know if he was an actual buyer into that. He said he was. Okay. Everything he goes into with these freaking... Kickstarters is a failure? Kickstarters is a failure. He crashes and burns them. So if anyone has any issues, contact head-to-head at Bramardi and blame him. Don't worry. We're going to rip them off later. Woo-hoo!
    41:33
    What else do I have on here? Oh, just a get well soon, even though this happened in February. Keith Johnson had a heart attack. Yeah. And, I mean, I didn't know. He just kind of mentioned it almost in passing in, like, a post. And they were like, what? He has completed his cardio rehab. He's like the bionic man. Yep. So hopefully he's with us to create more incomprehensible code to me. And crushes that. Crushes that over and over. Really, he is the perfect guy for that company.
    42:05
    If you want home-based pinballs with the deepest rule sets that you could play for years and never find everything, he's your guy. You literally cannot pick a better guy to do that. even if Ronnie cannot comprehend any of it but that's Ron's fault because Ron is just not very bright I can't wait for the list of games and the banks for Pinberg should be coming up soon it's only a little over a month away I guess I should pay for it I haven't bought my show ticket yet oh I did I always wait until a little later just in case but I guess I'll have to buy that soon well speaking of shows More importantly, let's talk about another show. There's another show coming up. It's Pintastic New England.
    42:58
    Just a little over a week away now. It will be the 27th, I believe it starts Thursdays, the 27th through the 30th in beautiful Sturbridge, Massachusetts at the Sturbridge Hotel. I was listening to Mrs. Pint. She was saying it was like in the Sturbridge Convention Center or something. It's like, no, it's just in the hotel. It's definitely not a convention center. No. And speaking of Mrs. Penn, she will be visiting. She said that in her last episode. She actually said that. That was crazy. Yeah because she said how like she dropping her kids off with their grandma in Albany And I like wait a minute You literally going to be driving by my house on the way there You've got to stop by. So they're going to stop by, hopefully, Wednesday of next week.
    43:49
    Hopefully. If they do, the 26th, we may be streaming. Stream some Mrs. and Dr. Penn action. Oh, my. No. Did you make everything sound totally vulgar? I didn't say anything except for oh my. Speaking of totally vulgar, this is what they have for the podcaster panel, which is going to be Friday at 7 p.m. So get ready, all fans. I want to see all your signs, like we love slam tilt and all that.
    44:20
    7 p.m., the podcaster's panel. And then next to it, it's got a little thing in parentheses, which may have non-family-friendly content.
    44:31
    What the fuck does that mean? What does that mean? What are we, like animals or something? They make us sound so, like, vulgar.
    44:40
    Animal. Very good. Me and Bruce are going to show everyone that we are classy. Oh, yes. Wait and see it. We're not going to tell you what it is, but you're going to see what class is all about. We are going to be the classiest podcast there. I can't wait. Can you wait, Bruce? I can't wait for my man bikini. Oh, no, no, no, no. Class. Classy. Okay, I'll wear high heels with my man bikini. I've been working out for this, Bruce.
    45:08
    I've been getting in shape. I've dropped, like, over 10 pounds. You were already underweight. What the fuck? No, I wasn't. The huge gut. I'm down to, like, 157 now. I will be able to fit in certain clothes again. Backward speedo. Here Ron comes. My belt. I got to go to a different setting here. but yeah it's going to be fantastic it's going to be exciting i can't wait for the podcastless panel i can't wait for the silver ball rumble trying to keep my uh my streak i've qualified for it every year and it's in the the more difficult card based old papa format hell yeah so i don't know how i i don't know how i've managed to qualify for it every year to be perfectly honest because i was never qualified in that format what's the games for the pentastic oh they did announce what they are going to be, didn't they? Yes, they did. And I'm sure you have the list in front of you, because I don't. I do not. I'm going to go with it right now. All right. What was that tournament called at Pentastic? It's called, what, the Royal... The Silver Ball Rumble. I know, you know, because I had the trophy, the inaugural champion, you know. Yeah, when they only had 30 people there? Oh, stop. They only had 30 people there.
    46:19
    All right. After some editing, Bruce couldn't find it, but I did. So the game list is this. The game list is as follows.
    46:28
    Full throttle. Any bets on how long it will last before it breaks? Five hours. Okay, Bruce is working five hours. X-Files.
    46:42
    Fire. Hopefully it breaks. Fire is great. It can get confused, though, so that's not a great tournament game, but it can get confused. It can get confused. Oh, with the locks. Hocus Pocus. okay game not great but go ahead frontier good good game robocop great fucking game meteor great fucking game atlantis running scott's code iron maiden good game break shot break shot flip flop oh god i hate that fucking flip flop there. Dragon Fist, also running Scott's Code. That's a great thing. And that's it. The charity tournament game will be on Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. So, two of the games you can come and practice on at the Silver Ball Saloon. Mostly the same ones. It's $15, first entry of five games instead of ten, to help pay the circuit fees without draining the prize pool. Re-entries are still $10.
    47:46
    Good. So the first one's $15. And, oh god, you have to pick five games? Yes, you do. Dragon Fist, Robocop, Meteor. Frontier is too brutal. Especially for a card base. Unless you get a good score in the beginning. Yeah, you got to play that first. And if it sucked, then yeah. Then dump it. Or keep on going and see. Because don't forget, you usually have one zero anyway. Yeah. So I would always play that first. This is going to be a tough selection. Yeah. What to pick. I don't mind Hocus. Not Hocus Pocus, but Flip Flop. That one, it plays good and hard sometimes. and sometimes it just fucking kicks your fucking ass. Good and hard? Okay. It's nice and hard. Again, classy, folks. Class. It's our middle name. Did you see the Pentastic promo with Steve Ritchie and Tim Sexton? I did. Yeah. Go to the Pentastic New England Facebook page. It's one of the posts on there. It's hilarious. I'm Steve Ritchie, and I'm bringing this game with me. I'm Tim Sexton and I'm also bringing this game with me so they're going to put it on each other's backs and they're going to bring it right away so it'll be nice to see Timmy again it will be yep, I'm looking forward to this, it's fantastic go there, check it out, it's a great show it's going to kick ass don't miss that podcaster's panel I have no idea what we're talking about I have no clue what's going to happen it's a wonderful thing listen brother yeah, we're going to cut promos all right uh yeah i think that's now bruce is bringing games again so if well if somebody buys them if someone buys them check them out so i've actually i've actually slowed down on the old pinball lifter because i haven't been able to make them lately actually the helpers not the lifters lifters i still have but the helpers i've not been able to get to lately so i've got a couple people asking for lift or for helpers and i'm like uh i got no time come on you got to help them with the helpers. I know. So I was thinking maybe in August I might be able to because August usually is our slowest month at the bar. Because the weather's good. Yeah, I know. People don't want to drink when the weather's good. Damn that. No, they don't want to be inside when the weather's good because there's so few nice days in Rochester. Then you have like the, wait a minute, you've got a rooftop. Put some pinball games up on the roof. The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.
    50:13
    Yikes. Hey you. What else did I not mention? Oh, Oktoberfest had a code update that introduced a function, I don't know if it's ever been done before, where it has like a really steep ramp on the left side, and when the ramp comes down, it's going to increase the flipper power of like the right flipper so you can make it.
    50:40
    So I don't know if that's going to screw up other stuff. Okay, so you already act like you don't like this. You don't like anything new? No, because it's going to change your flipper feel every time you play it. Oh, this flipper feels normal until I make this one shot. Now it's got a super-duper strength. Bruce doesn't like anything new and innovative? No, damn whippersnappers. What the hell are these kids doing these days? Don't skirt my flipper power. My flippers need to feel the same all the time. All the time. These flippers feel funny. I just wanted to mention that because I don't know if that's ever been done before. I've never heard of that, like adjusting the flipper power for one specific shot. I've seen it where Capcom did the thing where the flippers would get weaker and then die. Yeah. They did that deal, but I've never heard of this being used in this way. No, neither have I. So, Bruce. Yes? Did you see the IFPA finals? No. Wait a minute, you didn't? I only watched bits and pieces of it. Only like five, ten minutes of it. I didn't watch the whole thing because I have no fucking free time. Did you see the end? No. So I'll let you talk about it. Okay, I'll spoil it for you because it's been like weeks ago at this point. I agree. And, well, this is the tournament section. But don't worry, folks. It's short. This is the IFPA World Championships that were in Italy. And we'll skip to it. Basically, the finals ended up being Daniele Acciari. in his hometown. Hometown favorite. Against Johannes Ostermeyer from Germany. They were both on, in consecutive episodes, Pinball Profile. Mmm. So, Germany is victorious!
    52:30
    So, the way they do the final is head-to-head. And they play, it's like 4 out of 7, but with a twist. If it ends up being 3-3, You have to win by two, like 5-3 or 5-4. So if it ends up being 3-3, you can't just win 4-3. You've got to win 5-3 or 5-4. It becomes two out of three once you hit 3-3. Yeah, that's the way they do it. So they ended up having a tie on one of the games. Some old EM, they actually ended up having a tie. So what do you think the ruling is on that? What do you do in a tie? Play again. Yep, they played the same game again. replay. That's the rule. So if you ever get that happening to you in a head-to-head format, that's the ruling. You replay. So it ended up going to the 10th and final game because they had to play an extra one. Of course they did. Yep. And it ended up on the always non-buggy, very software-stable Ram Stoker's Dracula.
    53:32
    So basically, what happens, Don Yelly picked it, so he goes first. His first ball, he gets like over two billion when he gets the triple stack going and eventually drains down to like one ball and the flippers die and it goes to end of all bonus great which i've seen happen before let's see that's happened on mine a couple times and they had like kaylee george who was on like it was one of the commentators he was like that's that's a bug i mean that happens and we're Actually, no, I think it was Raymond. It's like, because everyone was acting like it was a malfunction, and Raymond was like, that's a bug. That happens all the time. That's like a known thing. So they decided the ruling, oh, and then it just auto-plunged Johannes' ball. Cute. He didn't even walk up to the game yet. So they basically, they double-checked the game to make sure all the switches and everything were working, and they gave Don Yelly the $2.1 million, and they restarted the game because his ball ended prematurely without him doing anything. So he got to play three balls. So basically he taxed on another $800 or so million. So he's got over $3 billion. Yeah. And Johannes comes up, ball three, his first two balls he literally did absolutely nothing. Zero. He had $2 million. He had $2 million after ball two. So he has 2 million, and he's down by 3 billion points. Last ball.
    55:06
    What he did would be the equivalent of, if I could put it in a, for those who don't watch tournaments, if you watch baseball, it would be like if the Yankees are down 9-0 in the bottom of the ninth. Two outs. Two strikes. No balls. And we begin. He gets misstarted, because that's lit on ball three. He gets Coffin, and then he somehow keeps the balls in play, multi-ball, and is able to hit the ramp enough times to get Castle started. And then he starts, like, it wasn't even real. It was like you're playing virtual pinball. It was just like ramp, hole, jackpot, ramp, hole, jackpot, ramp, just one after another after another after another after another. He came all the way back to win. Zach Sharp had to walk over and like okay you can stop because he was just going he was in the zone big time yep I'd say the greatest single match I have ever seen like actually on film whatever that I've personally seen it was insane I recommend even if you're not a tournament person to check it out and you can check that out at the twitch channel is JDL pinball basically jdl underscore pinball just give it a give it a look see you know what i mean there's hours and hours of it but you could do is just just go to the final match start where the dracula is and you can watch the final game it's only like it's less than 10 minutes i think even with the ruling and everything else it did not take long that's why dracula is awesome but yeah i had I made a note. I had to bring that up. That was just – It was impressive. Because if you're Daniele, you figure like you put $3 billion, $3 billion. I won. This is a great story. I won in my home country. I mean, get the trophy ready. When Johannes came up – Warm it up. Yeah, when Johannes came up, it was just like, okay, he's going to flip around a little bit, train, and then the award ceremony will happen, et cetera. But nope. It's truly never over until it's over, Bruce. all right what do we want to do next we want to we want to try the game we're going to rip off or do we want to do the ball bag what do we want my ball bag to be empty because it's pretty filled up after one month of village okay all right a month month almost a month of village actually really not but here we go we have oh no no you got to say right what oh the male ball bag because on our last episode we or i basically stated how scott had come up with a cool name for all women's tournament which no one has gotten in touch with me about so like i i figured there's probably two or three women who actually watch the podcast listen to the podcast and they did but it's a whopper stopper and bruce thought it was like the worst name ever it was well alex Erdl wrote in to say, it's a good name.
    58:18
    Thank you, Alex. You are correct. Fail. And then Tony Murphy wrote in to say, what the hell is a Whomper? I know what Whomp stands for, but adding Er at the end sounds terrible. Total fail. See? Love him. He is now my new favorite person. Ah, yes, Tony Murphy. Maybe Whomp Stomp. I could buy that, but tend to agree that with Bruce that something better must exist. Do you know who liked it, though? Do you know who liked Whopper Stopper? Mrs. Pin. Yep. But she also liked Whop Stop, so I think that's what we'll go with. Yes. Yeah, Bruce will acquiesce on Whop Stop. Yep. And there's a correction here, which I knew you were wrong when we were recording, but I just didn't bother to look this up. When we were looking when to schedule stop, and you said, like, the pin crossing, I didn't want to interfere with them, and you said they have weekly. I knew it wasn't their main tournament, and it's not. They have monthlies, pin-crossing monthlies. They're on Wednesday evenings. Ooh. Yeah. So they do their normal summer classic, but they don't have a date yet, but it's probably going to be in August. Okay. So it should not, if we're going to have ours in September, it should not be an issue. Good. That's from Corey. Corey Hulse. Thank you, Corey.
    59:37
    So then we have, let's see. Or another screw-up that we had. Well, yeah, we had multiple people clue us in that Maverick and Last Action Hero are not wide bodies. Yes. And there's only three. There's three wide bodies. Maverick was originally supposed to be a wide body. Yes, exactly. But there is four. There's actually three more.
    59:59
    There's actually three. Well, let me rephrase that. There's three stern wide bodies, you're saying. The Nooser. Yes. Or the Data East. There's three. Okay. So we've Guns N' Roses. You know two of them. Guns N' Roses. is WWF. And?
    60:15
    And? You're not going to say something stupid like Total Recall or something. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. What the hell is that?
    60:26
    Batman Forever. Oh, shit, that's right. With the awesome, unmakeable ramps. Yes, unless you have, like, monster power, brand new flipper mechs, and then maybe you'll make it. Yeah, like you just put them in. Yeah. Yeah, and you have it at like a pitch of six degrees with full power. You might make it. Full power. Damn you. It's like a hook ramp. That's a stupid ramp. And we got an email that just came into the ball bag from the pinball princess. Oh, no fucking way. How does she know that we were doing this? You bust the game heads up. And, oh, my goodness, it's long. Oh, boy.
    61:08
    And it probably took her five minutes to write this. That's the scary part. So here we go. Dear Ron and Bruce, it is with some surprise and much pleasure that I write to you after having caught up on hiatus regularity slam tilt. Stop it. Is that our new hiatus regularity slam tilt? I guess so. Has she ever caught up? She's probably still a month behind. I have entered the year of 2019 thinking that the sporadic recordings would be due to their infrequency chock full of content. the mail ball bag bursting at the seams and then pinning something myself would simply overload the ball bag as I have been wont to do in the past. Imagine my surprise, therefore, when in catching up with my pinball podcast, where even the sporadic few of the slam-tilt episodes that managed to accumulate, I heard the two of you lamenting an empty ball bag and pleading with your loyal listeners to fill it. How many ball bag references are going to be in this paragraph? Perhaps it was in part due to the surprising regularity of your irregularity with three entire episodes being dropped over the course of a month or so. I'm not going to spend my entire letter speculating on the schedules and actions of others. That is a moot point. However, the two of you speculated on my lack of contribution. Ron being correct in that I was two months behind on Pitbull Podcast, see? And Bruce being totally, abso-fucking-lutely wrong in the very idea that I didn't like you guys anymore. poppycock she just said poppycock boulder dash i have already considered writing something by the time that comment rolled around but that was the flint that ignited the spark of this letter which is somehow already dragging on in the first paragraph i would like to address three points in this letter the past the sort of present and the future so wait a minute so it's like um What is it, Christmas Carol? Yeah. The ghost of... Christmas past, Christmas past, future, and present. Wait, what did you just say? Past, future, and present. Okay. I thought you said something... No. First off, in the past, I would like to address something said in the post-Allentown episode. Ron, ever on the lookout for the not-at-all-elusive wild Bruce-ism, took exception to Bruce talking about when he was online for Allentown. Yeah, instead of inline. I, in turn, take exception to calling this a Bruce-ism. Saying that one is online rather than inline is perfectly acceptable. Nope. Wrong. Nope. What does she do for a living? She's a linguist. Yes, thank you. Nope. She's wrong. Nope. She looked at the wrong dictionary. Wrong dictionary. I love her. While the modern concept of being on the Internet makes online a bit ambiguous, When Bruce said this, any confusion I had was only for the split second that my mind needed to separate the two definitions. Online is not a Bruce-ism at all. It is a regionalism. What does that mean? You're from New Jersey, so you say online? Mm-hmm. I am short on time, so I will spare you the resources, but this is a phrase common in the Northeast. It is? Mm-hmm. I never heard it until you said it. It may, in fact, be specific to the metro New York area. Well, you are a very metro person, Bruce. Mm-hmm. Considering Bruce is a Jersey boy, it makes perfect sense that this is the expression he would use. The Bruce-ism here would be more the blow-me line that immediately followed criticism of online over inline. Oh, what, did you say blow-me? You probably did. Of course I did. I am pretty sure that it's not a common thing, and if it is, I really, really do not want to know. Please do not tell me. Please, I don't have the mind bleach to cope. It is. my second point addresses the sort of present specifically i'm referring to the near future and pentastic i am quite excited for the podcasters panel that will be going on friday with the powers of podcasters combined i am sure that it will be very informative i hope so informative i don't know what's going to happen i am also sure it will go off the rails about as fast as clusterfuck oh my oh my to this end it would be hilarious if Ron found some sort of keychain or Okay I don know what this means B Bauble? Bauble. Do you know what that is? No. All right, hold on, folks. We're going to... You know, someone's shouting at the screen right now. You undereducated moron. But you know what that means? A bauble is a small, showy trinket or decoration.
    65:47
    Okay. So, where was I? To this end, it would be hilarious if Ron found some sort of keychain or bauble that had a small beeping sound so that he could censor Bruce in light of his editing powers being taken away by a life panel. That's right. I won't be able to censor Bruce. That could be a problem.
    66:06
    Of course, that would involve finding something that could produce a sound louder than a live and direct Bruce. That's impossible. barring the procurement of such an item i foresee an unmitigated travel off the rails and far far away i hope not hell yeah hell yeah my final point addresses the future women's tournaments the name whopper stomper for a women's tournament collaboration between slam tilt and mrs pin is absolutely a cheesy name and i love it there you go it totally embodies the silliness and lighthearted attitude that both podcasts share. See? No comment. I would also like a Bruce-ism named women's tournament. Oh, God. A women's tournament at the Silver Ball Saloon branded with the above reference silliness of slam tilt would be great. The bottom line here is please hold a women's tournament at level zero. What, do you want to run it, Steph? Does someone want to run it? I don't want to run it. Anybody? Bueller? Please hold a women's tournament at Silver Ball Saloon. Hear that, Bruce? I enjoy you guys bickering about names, and I will continue to do so as long as I get to play in these hypothetical women's tournaments that I very much like to play in. Please, please, please, please do these tournaments. We will. I think September is perfect. Okay. Writing fast because even with sporadic episodes, I managed to procrastinate until recording day. Player 31915. P.S. Have either of you heard the Black Box Pinball podcast? I've not heard that yet.
    67:40
    It's another women-centric podcast. We're hosted by a woman, I should say. Okay. I should know the name, but I do not. But it was mentioned on the last pinball profile. Oh, which we were on. We were? Yeah. You didn't hear that? I didn't listen to it. You told me I shouldn't listen to myself anymore. Oh, Jesus. You listen to yourself all the time. The last pinball profile, the latest one. Hi. Number 200. Congratulations. Yeah, 200. they had Josh Sharp's message was the second one played. I thought that was pretty funny. We were the last one played. Of course. It was great. But he said it was us. He didn't mention it was us and Stewie.
    68:21
    I mean, it was Stewie. It wasn't me. No, it wasn't you. Not at all. So that empties the mail ball bag.
    68:31
    Before we go to our new thing. Our rip-off thing. Yes. I want to go to IMDB. Okay, that is the... Sorry, IPDB. Yeah, I was going to say it's the Internet Movie Database, but the Internet Pinball Database, which doesn't seem to have any new games on it. Oh, it's got a lot of new games. Oh, did they just update something? They did, so I want to show you what they've updated. Okay, what did they update? I am there right now. It's a search bar. Yeah, I'm at the search bar that's on the front page. type in A-R-N-O-N space M-I-L-C-H-A-N Arnon Milchen.
    69:12
    Do you see there? It's a game with some dude's face on it? Yep. What's the game? It's got to be a Data East game, right? It is a Data East.
    69:26
    This is the first time I've ever seen this one used in the Data East rip-offs. Is it Tales from the Crypt? Nope.
    69:33
    Oh, wait a minute. Is that the crane in the back? That's the crane. Oh, Jesus. It's Last Action Hero. Yeah, but I've never seen Last Action Hero used as one of the rip-off games.
    69:43
    Hmm, interesting. Pretty cool, huh? One unit confirmed. One unit. Interesting. Huh. Okay, so go back up to the search again. All right.
    69:56
    Type in Operation Desert Storm. Operation... I thought you were going to say Operation Thunder or whatever. It is a checkpoint. It is a checkpoint. Never knew this game. Another one-off. Yep. We got more. Okay, is it this year? It's year of the one-offs here? It is. The next one is... Hold on, I'm looking for it. I clicked them all, so I have them highlighted. Joel Silver, the pinball. Just type in Joel Silver. Joel Silver? Yep. Joel Silver. Joel. Okay.
    70:36
    All right. Let me try to figure out what it is without looking at the obvious description where it tells me what it is. Oh, God. Is this Star Trek? It is. Terrible Daddy East one with that stupid movie Targets? Yes. Now, Joel Silver, he's like a... Producer. He did like Predator and stuff. Yes, he did. All right. They made one all for him. Jesus. Now, if you're a woman looking at this next, this is we're going back to the perv section of the pinball. We did not make this pinball machine, but we're going to do a air quote saying, please do not look at this if you feel like you'll be offended. So you will be offended. Yes. This isn't Big Dick, is it? No. Okay. Wild Horse Saloon. Yes. Oh, God. This is a game that Data East made. Okay, they made one. Yes. One of a kind. It went to Germany. Yes, it did. I can barely see the artwork. It's based off a strip club.
    71:38
    I can barely see it. Oh, it's got a window with, like, topless women instead of the hologram. Wait, it gets better. Look at the play field.
    71:51
    I can't. I can barely see it, Bruce. I can't. So if you look above the flippers, there's two legs up in the air. Yeah.
    72:01
    Yeah, there is. And it's based off Star Trek also, which is another bad thing. How far we've come. Yeah, see? Yeah.
    72:16
    That's one story I didn't mention that came out while we were away. the Northwest Pinball incident. Oh, yes. Let me just say this to you men out there. Please, please do not sexually assault your fellow women pinheads. Try not to sexually assault anyone, actually. That would be good if you could not do that because you wonder why women want to have their own tournaments. It's because they don't have to worry about getting groped by men during them. Just saying. Please be better than that.
    72:52
    That's all I'll say. I don't even want to get into the details. Yeah. Other podcasts did. Yeah. So it's all out there. Yes, it is. Let's move on. Yeah. So those are the one-offs. Yes. The new one-offs on the Data East. So they did a lot of one-offs. Yeah, they did a lot of one-offs. So basically, if you're an executive with like Warner Brothers or something or some famous person, you could probably get a one-off game for yourself. You got it. But I was surprised about the one that came up, the Last Action Hero. More surprised than the porn one? No, yeah, but in some ways because you never – I always thought it was – most games that we've seen before this was, of course, Lethal Weapon. Then I knew about the one from Star Trek, but not the second one. And then now with the Last Action Hero, you're like, holy crap. They still should have made Mad. That would have been great. For our next event, our next little segment here. Yes. Do you remember we had a wonderful face-off segment, which I always liked. But it's hard to do it without judges. You know, unless, Bruce, we want to do it and we put a poll out, if you can put a poll out on Facebook. I don't know. My arm is pretty sore from the last one I did. Jesus Christ. Because we can do that. but we can pick instead of randomly picking something just pick something where there's a lot of candidates the thing is we kind of went through a lot of games we did almost all of them probably yeah so what we can do is we're going to do we could do a wrinkle to a game that head-to-head did what's called the slam the top 100 oh what a great idea yeah they randomly use the randomizer, pick two games, and then they try to say how their game is much more awesome than the other person's game. So if we steal an idea from ourselves, is it like back to normal? Well, no. We're going to do this with a wrinkle. Ooh. We're going to randomly pick games here. Okay, great. Okay, we're on for that. And then we have to sell our game as being the biggest piece of shit ever. Huh? Yeah. Because we're so negative to begin with. why try to sell our games, we're going to try to just bury our games.
    75:15
    So whoever makes their game sound shittier wins. Okay. And you can put a poll up on Facebook and, like, instead of which is the better game, which is the shittier game. Oh, my. We'll see how this goes. This could last, like, one episode. Just think that's stupid. One off. Yeah. Get your randomizer up, Bruce.
    75:37
    Okay. I am sitting at the Pinside Top 100 screen. And I come, okay. We don't have the... No, we're from America. We actually have real stuff. What does that even mean? Okay, are you first, you second? Yeah, just pick mine first. Okay, one through 100. Yep. Number 73.
    76:02
    73, which is Jurassic Park. Which one? The original? Yes. Okay. Which will make it harder. And the next one is 82. So we're close to each other. Wow, okay.
    76:20
    I like this game already. You got Stargazer, pal. Oh, fuck. All right. Which is the shittier game? Okay. Since I am the lower, I am the higher number, you get to go first. Yep. And it's like, we'll try to say how shittier our games is, and your rebuttal will be telling me that it's not she. Great. Okay.
    76:46
    Jurassic Park. Terrible artwork. Unreliable. Dinosaur mech. Technology stolen. Completely ripped off from Williams and the Rudy following the ball around technology. Completely uninnovative. Does it even have one ramp? I mean, come on. 1993, it only has one ramp. Are you serious? plastic, cheap plastic apron, cheap plastic, terrible Data East construction. You have the stereo sound that still sounds like ass. I mean, Jurassic Park, what a terrible license. Who watched that movie, really? Come on, let's be real here. I rest my case. Stargazer. Three spinners of no fun. Who would ever think of having a terrible game where you plunge the ball and it goes into a pop bumper assembly. That's terrible. No skill at all. No skill shot. No nothing. Who wants to hit drop targets to stop your spinner score? That's totally like so 80s. It's not even funny. And sexist is not the word in this game. You got the big freaking woman up on the back glass and a big woman up front. And did anybody know that there was other colors besides blue in this game? Blue is so overused, it's not even funny. You got a blue black glass. You got a blue play field. You got a blue side art and cabinet. What the F? Didn't they have any other color palettes that week? Maybe like green? Maybe something else? No, we're just going to go all blue. Lame soundboard. You can't tap paps with these flippers. You know, this is the 80s. You should have been able to tap paps with these flippers.
    78:33
    Terrible, terrible game. All you've got to do is just back flip the flipper and just roll over to roll over, and guess what? I get anything I want and go for this stupid shot. Rules need to be tweaked a lot on this game because it's just so boring without it.
    78:48
    Out of the box, this game was just a dud. Guess what? The company's going to fall apart in another couple weeks or couple months, maybe even a half year. They're out of business. You're not going to get any parts. Okay, Bruce.
    79:01
    Damn, damn. All right. I love blue. A great, great blue color palette. It's the picture of the woman. Come on, that's an empowering picture. She is in control. She is the stargazer. Three spinners with awesome sound. I mean, just the signs of the Zodiac. The flippers, yes. They decided not to tap pass like every other game. They were original, innovative, innovation. They didn't have in lanes. They had this bizarre in-lane setup that hardly anyone ever used again because it was awesome. Great design, great art, great sound package, an all-time classic stern pin. It is not shit. All right, rest my case.
    79:45
    Jurassic Park. Really one of the first games from Data East that actually had a good mode, good video, good goals. You actually had to shoot for stuff to get better scores. What a novel idea. actually having to think about your rules to get a better score. No, let's stop it. Let's just flap around like a stargazer. No, you actually got good rules from a data east with a very reliable system with solid-state flippers and stereo sound. No other manufactured stereo sound except for one little game that was terrible called Jokers. I rest my case. All right. So, listeners, you must decide who made the better case that their game was shittier.
    80:34
    Being that you went on for like five minutes, you may win this one. We'll have to do a time limit next time. Jesus. I didn't hear no time limits, so meh.
    80:46
    So I'll set the poll up 24 hours after Ron posts the... Yeah, shit on the top 100. No, no, no. Don't use the swear word. Crap on the top. Crap on the, or dookie on the one under, or poopie on the one under, or something like that. I'll trust you to think of a non-swear term for shit.
    81:06
    Dog scoot on the 100. Dog scoot. Track marks on the top 100. Scoot boogie. Here we go, do-si-do. We are such a serious podcast, aren't we? Oh, I love it.
    81:23
    Man, it's been a while. Jasmine! I miss that. Yeah. But no, we're not doing it weekly. Sorry, folks. No. I have no fucking free time lately. You have no free time, and I have to edit this shit. And the funny thing is, he comes to me last week like, hey, let's do it Wednesday. I just had a really bad week last week. I was ready to go. Well, first it was like Sunday. Let's do it. Like, well, I can't do it because I'm going to be here. Okay, Wednesday. Okay, no. Okay, Thursday. No, can't do it Thursday. I'm too busy. Can't do it. And then this week, we finally got it scheduled. Yep. That's why it's going to be almost impossible for us to get guests anymore, because we can't even get a time together. I have to, like, really plan it out. Yeah. That's the bad thing, you know. Planning. No, planning is good. No, planning out my time schedule. Oh, yes. You know how hard it is to be going away next week for two days?
    82:13
    Yes, for Pintastic. Pintastic! Again, Pintastic, New England. Be there, be square. Sturbridge, Massachusetts. Massachusetts, it's only like an hour and 40 minutes from my house. Instead of three hours away, it's going to be next year. Bullshit. But it's going to be the beautiful Sturbridge Hotel.
    82:34
    The last year we were there, they let you pretty much do anything. You can streak down the hallway. You can do everything. You can just bring your games to your room and play them. I mean, it is one of those things where anything goes. It is quite unique in that fashion. and beer until, like, all hours. And the podcaster panel at 7 o'clock, was it? 7 o'clock. And, again, we're going to show you with class. Is all about. Yep. So that was episode 130. Was it? It was. Wow. That went fast. It went fast. How long is it going to take you to edit it? Oh, I don't want to even go there. so um fun with bonus uh hi Zach um the all the other podcasts um Riptide etc blah blah blah I can't I said that yeah Deep Root baby yeah hopefully you like my promo Deep Throat Jesus you gotta keep that the fuck in uh of course I will Bruce I never edit anything out no never god it's been a pleasure as always thank you everyone we'll be back uh sometime after pentastic if we don't get thrown out of pentastic i think we're gonna get thrown oh no we're gonna be banned yeah we're gonna be banned and you're gonna never come back and just it's gonna be fun it's gonna be good clean family fun yeah even the trash talker even the trash they're gonna do another trash talker folks yeah it's for leagues though we could have made our own league no well no we're forming a team of podcasters. I know. What is it, though? It's, uh, yeah, it might be too late for you. It's too late for me. Because you'll probably be gone. It's after the tournament ends on Saturday. Oh, no way. Nope, I gotta be back for Saturday. So, but I already volunteered, so I'm ready to trash talk. Don't forget, come up to Ron, give him a big hug. No, don't do that. Yes. Ron loves his personal space invader. No! He loves his personal space invader.
    84:39
    For us to stay, be a space invader. Yes. Go to me. Give me high fives. That's great. I'll even man hug you. I'll do a man hug with you. But Ron needs a big bear hug. If you lift him off the ground, you get a buck from me. No, no, no, no. I have a bad spine, remember? I have a worse spine than your spine. No, you don't. You want to bet? Do you have a broken T7? A T7? Yes. Broken T7, baby. No, I have a broken L everything. Okay, let's see. If your L breaks, you only get paralyzed. if my T7 completely breaks dead I am not breathing, no heartbeat wow how does that feel? that sounds like a really negative way to end the podcast, Bruce it is, isn't it? but I have one thing to bring you up what did you just say? I have one thing to bring you up, I said oh yeah, I feel so much better knowing something horrible could happen to you that doesn't make any sense it's great ah, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce What are we going to do with you? Have fun. Yes. Everyone, have fun at Pintastic. I don't know how many more times we can mention Pintastic. Did we mention it enough? Pintastic, Pintastic, Pintastic. Podcaster's panel. Yes. Silver Ball Rumble. Yes. Oh, yeah, by the way, it's a pinball show. There's going to be a lot of games there. It's going to be great. Buy ours. Beatles. Beatles is going to be there. Buy our games. And if you're in Rochester, go to the Silver Ball Saloon, which is where? 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York with 26 pinball machines including Dragon Fist and RoboCop. Woo-hoo! All right. Goodbye, everybody. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Walt Stern.
    86:20
    Hold my mind, hold my mind Can you move it, can you slide? Hold my mind, hold my mind You can fool me if you try Hold my mind, hold my mind Guaranteed to keep you alive Oh my
    87:01
    Oh my.