you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Thank you. Hey, what's up everybody in the chat? Welcome to Flip N Out Pinball. Pinball Land. We have the Epic Expo Pinball Party going on outside here. We just came in to fire the stream up and say hello. It was the night before Expo. To my left, we have Tommy, Jetta McMuffin. You might know him. Hello, everyone. We have Amanda, Mrs. Lord Helmet. Yay, welcome, guys. And Bill's partner, Amanda, Bill Webb. Hey, how's it going, guys? What's up, BD? Thank you so much for hosting us tonight. Yeah, for sure. Epic expo. Glad everybody can make it out. So people are trickling in at this point. We have the grills fired up outside. We have two fires going. What else is going on out there, Bill? Dude, stereo. It's a party out there. Bill brought over this, like, 30-foot party trailer. Party trailer. We'll post pictures on Flippin' Up Monday's site. It's wild. It's pretty crazy out there. So, hey, we've got to do something. We've got to do it big. Yeah, I'm already being requested to be outside, so I will be right back. Empty zombie dog in the house. What's going on? What's up, zombie? What's up, Kaz? No. I can't wait to see you in, like, a day. Kaz. How you doing? Yeah, we will not be playing pinball tonight, honestly, with the amount of people we're going to have in and out of chat all night. So this is going to be kind of a special night because we're going to have a lot of guests coming in, a lot of new people on the microphone, a lot of people that you've seen in chat jumping on the microphone. Yeah, it's just an exciting party, you know? Kind of put together for everybody that couldn't be at Expo or is at Expo and getting ready for the festivities. Right? Yeah, definitely. Everybody who is coming in, going to come in, uh-oh. What? Oh, it was Jedi. I was going to say I saw it flipping out. I was like, that's on his way. Zach, don't text and drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, good times. A lot of people from out of town. A lot of special guests. Tonight should be rocking. Is Chad getting ready for some expo talk or what? I'm curious. I know, Kaz, you're coming. And how many other people that are in chat tonight are coming to join us for Expo this week? Yeah, who's going to be around? I'm here to meet people. That's why I came to this. Nice. See, Bobby, I swear, like, I'm blind as a bat. I'm looking into lights looking at your name. I thought it said Sea Boobies, and I was going to say that's the best name ever. Oh, wee. Oh, wee. Thank you for the follow. Panama City. Panama City. Panama City. I can't see where the pin is. Pinball mafia? What's up, Eric? Nope. Yeah. Eric's like, nope, no fights from all the guys. That sucks. That sucks. You know what? All of our out-of-country folks are basically stuck. A couple of good friends, dude, I would have liked to have had here tonight. Marc Silk. Yes. Thank you, Kaz. Kaz, thanks for the best, buddy. Kaz. As well as our good buddy, Rorden. Rorden is just sheer entertainment. David Dennis. Yep, David. We miss you. Yeah, but you know what? There are going to be a lot of people in and out all night. So good times, strap in, and let the good times roll. Let the good times roll. Going to be a blast. So there will be a booth at Expo for the Pinball Network. So anyone that's coming, make sure you come by and say hi. And, yeah, and honestly, Chet, keep your comments and questions reasonable. But, yeah, I mean, if somebody's on the microphone, feel free to ask a question. But nothing too outlandish, if that's cool. Yeah, nothing 100% confirmed yet, but we might see a couple people. Maybe a Steve Ritchie, maybe an Eric Maynard. No. Scott Danesi. You didn't hear it here first, folks. But stick around tonight. We'll be in and out. It's the calm before the storm. I'm kind of the host of the house. I mean, so I'll be definitely in and out, you know. That's what she said. Hey, hey, now. And Amanda will be still banning people. I will. Yes, the ban hammer. I will be here. I will be banning. What's up, Fliptronic? Fliptronics. Please! So I'm super excited. This has been a blast for us because we've been here all week, and we actually got to meet up with Jordan and Becca today and play some pinball with them, and they got to see how bad I was at it. So glad we're not streaming GM tonight, dear God. And, yes, there will be a booth for people to come say hi. Absolutely. Pretty much all of us at some point will be in the booth. Yeah, well, I think that'll be like the central kind of hangout for the weekend, to be honest. We don't really have set times, but, I mean, Expo doesn't run that long. So you'll see us floating around. We'll be around. Or I'm not going to wear my sunglasses and put a hat on, and then no one will recognize me. Drop that handle. And to my left is Mr. Dave Fogren, which you've actually seen on chat. Hey, Dave Fogren. Hey, buddy. Been on the podcast. What's up, Fogren? Happy Expo, everybody. It's like Christmas Eve for all of us Every time Dave comes there's a plenty of lasagna The bottom of your glass is dry Is he the instigator? Hey Dave, talk into the mic buddy I'm sorry, I gotta put my headphones on or something Hey everybody You got headphones there I don't want to put them on though I need to know now, is he going to be the guy walking around with a bottle of tequila? No, no No, no, it'll be Malort and yes. No, on Friday and Saturday, I'm going to be a lot more instigated because I'm parking my car Friday night and I'm not going to look at it again until Sunday. There you go. Tonight I'm having to go home. I've got a child waiting for me, so I'm going to have to deal with that. I've got to be an adult a little bit tonight, but this is a nice warm-up. Yeah, we're not going to get too rip-roaring tonight. What's up, Wes? At least I'm not. Wes in the house. Listen to me. Wes, we were hoping you were coming. Mike is outside, actually. He's maybe helping grill. I don't know. They're just kind of chilling out there. I don't know what he's doing. And, Zombie, there is wine. There is a table full of wine sitting right over there. Oh, there's wine behind. There is plenty of stuff to keep the bottoms of our cups wet. You can't really see it, but there's wine over there. What's up, Dakota Mike? Coz is inferring that there's someone giving out TPN tattoos. Oh. Yeah, I don't know about all that. Yeah, I haven't heard about that yet. Right butt cheek for everyone? No? No. Maybe underneath the pinky toe. And for the right price, we'll go on the top of the toe. I want it, like, tiered in so when you're walking on the stand, you just get, you know, little TPN going. Hey! Hold on. There you go. Hey, brother. People are just going to wander in like a strange bunch of cats. It's going to be awesome tonight. I'm glad you guys are with us. You going to jump on the mic or are you here to hang out for a minute? What's up? You want to jump on the mic or you want to hang out for a minute? I want to jump on the mic. We're trying to get you on the mic. You know what's good? Yeah. You look really cool. Let's count our up and down. One of our special guests who's almost pinball royalty, except I don't ever see him wear a crown, our good friend Joe Fox. Mr. Joe Fox in the house. What up, Joe? What's up, guys? How are you? You're 1,200 miles away from home to be here. Is that what it is? So you need a bear? Yeah. All right. We've got plenty of beverages. Oh, Joe Beer? Joe Beer? You like IPA? I like ABCDEF and James. Oh, right. Pass that on. I like this guy. It's the box over here. All right. I'll be right back, guys. Keep it going, guys. Yeah. I kind of like the whole standing. Like, it's nice. Well, that's because you sat in a chair, which is shit. Is this Amanda? This is Amanda. This is Amanda. Joe, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Tom, Joe, I'm McMuffin. How are you? Hello. Nice to meet you. You guys, I'm totally going to end up fangirling tonight. I am with royalty. I'm excited. You've seen Bill before, haven't you? No. This is our first time meeting in person. Oh, just all talk. Yeah, yeah. Ironically enough, my husband just dropped me off at his house, hoped I wasn't there with a serial killer, probably didn't care if I was. I have enough lampshades, so you were safe. Yeah, you know. Although there was a discussion of how much rug you need to hide a body. That was neither here nor there, though. No, how much rug do you need to get rid of a 6'3", 200-pound piece of concrete in a river? Well, you're in construction. You should know the answer. I do, but I didn't want to tell her because, you know, somebody might have bought a pinball machine without asking questions, you know, asking for permission today. Careful. I think my wife's watching this. She knows that story too many times. Yeah. I can relate to that right now. We accidentally may have, yeah. It doesn't accidentally happen. Trust me. You know, so do you even tell the wife when you buy a brand new game anymore? No. Okay. After 200-plus games coming in and out, she just... What was the threshold where you stopped telling her? I'm just curious. Oh, okay. No, actually two, because it started with one. I was going to... I mean, this goes back five, six years now. I was like, hey, I think I'm going to buy a pinball machine. She's like, no, you're not. Wait, you've been through 200 in six years? 200-plus, yeah. That's amazing. In and out. It's insane is what it is. It's not amazing. It's insane. But, yeah, she said no, and I convinced her of yes. And then I added another one to the order, made it two. And then I think it was after that. You had to say sorry, right? Yeah. What is it? Better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission? Absolutely. There are worse things, though. That's what I tell her all the time. And she's good with it now. So I'm kind of evil. I wait until the wife, like, does something that really pissed me off. Right. Like really aggravate me. Like, hey, you know, we just bought a new car and I backed into somebody. That's fine. That didn't happen or anything, right? Anywho, which time? Time's up. Well, after it happened the first time, it's not a new car anymore. Therefore, it can't only happen once. No, but it's happened multiple times with different cars. Okay. Yeah. Lowest record was two weeks. The highest one was a year. I would recommend backup cameras and sensors. She has them. Mine break. She has them. You have the Jeep. It does the same thing as the Doringo. In her defense, I did the same exact thing with a month-old pickup. I backed into a tree at a pinball tournament, thought I could clear it. I thought the tree branch was higher than the tailgate, and I was wrong. So you had to buy a pinball machine against yourself then. I like your style. Pretty much. All right. So Shooter McD wants to know, what were those first two games, and do you still have them? Oh, good question. First two games, it was Ghostbusters Pro. Nice. And Transformers LE Combo. No, Decepticon. And no, I do not still have them. They were gone probably within six months of that. And do you want to get them again? I had Ghostbusters three more times after that. And you got rid of it three more times? In fact, the last one I bought, when I bought it, Bill wanted me to sell it to him if I ever sold it. And then he bought one instead. I have never audibly cursed more playing pinball than playing Ghostbusters. Yeah. Well, I went from a pro when I first got into hobby and knew nothing. Loved the theme. So I said, okay, let's get this. Then I saw the premium with the Ecto goggles and all that. I said, oh, got to have that. LEs were already sold out. Then somebody came out with a new in-box LE, you know, six months later. So I bought that one, and I sold each one along the way, and then I sold that one. And then I said, I really miss Ghostbusters, so let's get a pro again. You can miss Ghostbusters? Yeah. I can miss anything. What's your capacity? How many do you keep at a time? So the most I had at one time was 42. and in Delaware where I'm from, we do tournaments throughout the year and half of the time they're at my house or a third of the time they're at my house. So the problem was is that when it was time for a tournament I had to move 25 games out of the basement in order to make room for the actual people. Yeah. So I said I'm not doing this anymore and I sold off down to like 28 and still need to move some when it comes that time but we also just signed a lease two days ago for a spot that we're opening a collective in Delaware. So that now 15 or 18 of them will go to the collective and I won't even have them at the house anymore. Nice. You're not allowed to talk to my husband. No? No. Why, he wants to do a collective too? No, he just wants to, he figures, you know, you don't. Well, I talked to him outside. Oh, damn it. And I said, oh, you're Amanda's husband. And he said, yeah, she's inside. So I walked away. I'm one of her husband's enablers. It's a long-standing tradition going back over a decade now. There were multiple Ducati motorcycles instigated by me. I did the motorcycle run, too. But in all fairness, I think we started you on the pinball trick. Somewhat. I got into it, and then you did, so they have a tendency to one-up me. So I texted Mike and said, hey, I've been traveling for work, and my buddy keeps taking me to Mission Control in Santa Ana. I've been playing this medieval madness game nonstop. I can't stop. The next week he texted me and was like, yeah, we bought a Star Wars premium. Okay, group thanks. We had been talking about it for about six months. He was ahead of me and I didn't know it. But, yeah, we were doubly instigating each other. Well, that's good. You need somebody to push you along. See, I bought one Terminator and I told my wife I just need one more. I need the Addams Family. Right? She said absolutely not because it was $5,000. Right? Which was a bargain. Which was a steal. Right? And literally I went through about 30 machines before I bought my first Addams Family. And I'm like, you see, it would have been a lot cheaper if you would have just let me buy an Addams Family. She's like, don't get me. I'm like, okay, no problem. I was waiting for her to offer me a game on the way out. I'm not going to lie. Because I got to actually hang on Bill's basement for a little bit today playing. And I was really, really hoping to walk away with a condolence prize. If you would have waited there long enough. She probably would have. She would have been like, yeah, you buy one, take eight free. If I could fit him in my carry-on, I would. You would have hired movers. Yeah, probably. Bill, you're one of those guys that gets rid of games and then brings them back again. You just brought back Wonka after having Wonka the first time. Well, ask him what's in his garage getting said to leave, too. Wonk, wonk, wonk. Ghostbusters. I knew that was coming. I like the game, but you know what? Here, I wanted to have Wonka again, right? Yep. With the new code, and when I bought Wonka, I had the standard. Yep. Right? That was cool, but then I sold it to get a Pirates and whatever else. Oh, that special Pirates. I don't know. Very special. Anywho. And then, yeah, so we'll take it from there. Hey, everybody. Hi, Steve. How are you doing? Hi, Steve. What's up, y'all? Hi. What's up? Are you jumping? You want to jump on? Here, come jump on. I wasn't planning on jumping on. Oh, okay. I'm giving up my spot, you guys. I need to go make sure. Here. Oh, my goodness. Say hi to everybody. And you're not mine. Oh, God. They left me in charge. We're all. Well, you have the most experience at the table. I've been here for 15 minutes longer than you guys. That's my experience. No, the podcast is starting. Yeah, this is true. You guys. I don't talk into the mics, though. I'm around royalty. We now have multi-morphic representation sitting at the table. What is up? How y'all doing? Gerry Stellenberg. You guys. This is crazy. I have to say, I'm a very uninformed person, but I love reading your posts on Pinside when you're trading back and forth with the guys talking about the flippers. trying to be professional? I am dying laughing because you're just kind of crushing them with logic. And I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't argue with him. Yeah, but logic doesn't work on forums, so it doesn't go anywhere. Logic does not work on the internet. You've given me many a good laugh. That's funny. Thank you. I see what you put in there at the time, and I'm just like, I trust him implicitly. Let me jump on this machine because it's a little bit different from everything I know, and therefore it must suck. Yeah. But if you haven't played it, you don't know because it's awesome. I remember when I first played it at Pinball Life. They had a... And I was like, man, these flippers look crazy, but they work. I like it. Everything about it looks different, but everything about it is pinball and plays like pinball. Sure. Still pinball, man. Yeah, we're excited. We brought in our new game, Heist, which was supposed to show at TPF last year before it got canceled, and new game, Sorcerer's Apprentice, which is a re-theme of our Cosmic Cart Racing play field. So we're looking to show off some new stuff this year. Very nice. You got one? Throw it on the stream right now. Throw it on. Throw it on, baby. It's not in the little rental car we brought. Oh, that's unfortunate. There's a gentleman in chat named Joel who really, really wants to have his hands on your game. Hi, Joel. Oh, chat's not working over here, is it? Is it, guys? No. Here's some tiny chat for you. All right. Who's talking to us? This is very small. The computer knows that the Denise music's on there. Denise, the music's on our rock game. We just updated it. Sorry. Technical difficulty on my... Kielbasa. Kielbasa sausage is warm. But yeah, glad everybody here could make it out. We have a lot of people coming in and out tonight, so... You came in the garage to kind of warm up, and we're kind of like throwing on the mic, so sorry about that. Like, hey, come on, get on the mic. We're like, well, I guess I got it now. They're all making fun of me because I have shorts on. You're not that warm. You just came from Texas. You can tell. I came from San Diego. I'm pretty acclimated to warmer Carl Weathers. So what is that? It's about 50 degrees. No, it's probably cooler than 50 right now. 50 degrees is a high today. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. It's not the legs that's the problem. It's the bald head. I got a hat for you if you need. Thank you. I keep it short. We all kind of keep it short here. I feel you. Not a cold Carl Weathers hairdo. So what's the, besides Sorcerer's Apprentice, what's any inklings you can give us of anything coming up with the P3? We've been teasing our licensed game that we are working on. You won't see it this weekend. It's still in process, but it's got Denise the Audio in it. Very cool. And it's an exciting license. We're really happy about it. Awesome. This year? Hopefully. It depends on approvals. It depends on supply chain. We're getting pretty close to finishing it, but the release time really depends on a lot of factors. Well, the supply chain, that doesn't sound encouraging the way this is going on across every industry. This is true. Nothing is untouched. My wife wants to have part of the house painted, and the painter came over to tell me he's been stocking paint for the last six months, in his office because of shortages and that it's like 11% to 15% across the board increases on paint. And they were blaming those, well, you're from Texas, so the freezing that you guys have or all that, they're blaming that as part of the reason. A year ago, right? Was that a year ago? A year ago. No, I've heard a lot of stuff happen big time with the Texas freezes. Yeah, it affected chlorine. There was a huge chlorine factory, not in Texas, but that had a fire, and that caused for pool owners that couldn't get chlorine this summer. They were paying ridiculous numbers for it. So there's nothing that's been untouched in this world. Cal Bassa says, I'll buy a game with a Denise soundtrack. Sign me up. All right, now's the time to get in before the queue gets big. Nap Arcade, I hear that a licensed P3 game is either Rush or Toy Story. P3 is Rush or Toy Story? It might be a little off base. Yeah, if we had a track going over here. Fox, I don't know what the hell's... Wait, wait. Come on. I can see it. Come on, computer. Oh, my gosh. It's right there. It's still... I'm looking on the right where it normally is. There you go, man. My bad. My bad. So, yeah, everything's more expensive, and everything takes four or five times longer to get here than it used to. And you know what? We just got to accept it and move on. Deal with it, right? Because it's not going to change anytime soon, it doesn't seem like. No, people are lucky You get their circuit boards They're lucky to get their metal They're lucky to get their plastics Vendors are dying all over the place It's crazy How are you guys doing with production on P-Rock systems? Is that affected as well? Luckily We got a little bit of a warning from our manufacturer Who said if you want to build boards in the next year You should buy the parts for them now Bye bye bye We bought a lot of Semiconductor stuff early and we're still able to make our boards now. Which is tough because you've got to put out a lot of money out front. It's a lot of money. I hope that they're right. But I guess it worked in both favors because it's probably cheaper at the time you did it than it would be today and you can actually have the product. For now, yes. But maybe we bought too much and maybe it'll be cheaper by the time we're finishing up the inventory. Who knows? That's true. Hey, Becca Jordan Scott. What's up, everybody? We just had all sorts of rip-rap walk into the room. And Bill Webb is back. They look cold. They look freezing. It is a little chilly outside. Marlon, you guys definitely need a pee-free down there, especially with the limited room that you have. That would be so cool. Yes. And Jason, what's up, buddy? I was really hoping you'd get to come up for this, but love and miss you. Revalidate parking. Yes. I punched you out on the way out. Reason be told. Yeah, let's do that for sure. That would be so cool. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, should we force Scott on the mic? I think we need to force Scott on the mic. Scott, what's up, buddy? Denise in the house. Scott? Yeah, you bet. You bet. I will hand it over to Scott. I'll hand off. Denise can have my spot. You as well. Yeah. Probably Texas. I have a microphone. Yeah, there's a headset right there. Hi, Scott. That was a real long time ago then. So super, super thrilled that we got to meet Becca earlier today. And another one of my heroes, we have got to meet. No, he's the hero for sure. Oh, my gosh. I think my husband was jealous of you for a while. It's cool. He's just fine. Don't worry about it. He appreciates you just as much as I do. How the hell are you, man? You guys are crazy. I am good. I am good. Yeah. You excited about this whole skin gig? I am. I think there's going to be stuff going on. Well, it's the first time I've been out of the basement in a while. Yeah. Do they keep you guys all chained up, like, in your respective areas whenever you're working on games or projects or anything going on with games? Like, Multimorphic, I'm sure you guys have a shit ton going on. Scott, you just, I don't even want to know what's going on with you because you're always crazy busy and then there's just magic. Well, I've been working from home these days anyway, so who knows where people are. Yeah. Working from home is okay. It's alright. It's the only way we get to work with people like Scott. This is true. How many thousands of miles away from us? How many is that? Probably about a thousand. That's what I would guess. I would say about that. I'm reading through chat. I see Neil. Hi, Neil. I see Wes. We got Wes Finley. We got Jason Knapp. Frank Hosner's in there. Kyle Bassa needs his 45. Hey, Kyle, go check my Instagram. I just got the test press tonight. It sounds wonderful. Yeah, and it's crazy how good it sounds because it actually got professionally mastered by someone who went to school and has done this for like 20 years. So someone who knows what they're doing as opposed to myself. So, yeah, way different. I don't think you can say that anymore. What are you talking about? I think. Dude, the mastery music takes so long to figure out how to do it. It takes so much schooling. it's crazy it's insane so yeah so awesome so awesome it's fun so what are you guys looking forward to this weekend I'm looking forward to seeing Scott what the heck I've got well this is the first I mean I can go home now yeah is that it I will bye guys I was also looking forward to meeting Scott in person and so that was that was great oh yeah that's a weird story actually yeah because we've known each other for like years now but not in person no Yeah. Those VR years. One year in VR is like eight years in real life. Probably nine. It feels that way, though. You start to get to know somebody digitally, and you've never met them in person. Oh, I know you now. Thanks, Rebel Guitars. Thank you. Yeah, I was on Becca's podcast a couple weeks ago, and they were really excited to see me. And then I heard them interview Scott, and they were really, really, really excited to see Scott. Scott can talk for two hours. Yeah, Scott can talk for two hours. Yeah, I'm pretty. Like a minimum. Yeah, I'm pretty ADD, so, yeah, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah, we did, Scott did give me a box of that cereal that we talked about. Oh, the butthole cereal. Yeah, the butthole cereal. It looks like butthole. That is awesome. Dakota, Mike, we drove nine hours, two days. Each day was nine hours. Yeah, it wasn't nine hours over two days. It was one day that was nine hours and another day that was nine hours. And I heard there was a lot of, what was it, there was a lot of Guns N' Roses being played. It was terrible. No, just one song. Becca wasn't happy. Well, it was one song. But any time he would turn on the radio, like after we would run out of podcasts, it was always Paradise City. That's hilarious. Always Paradise City would come on the radio. And I think it was just to really rub in. It's testing the relationship. Just like, how much do you like GNR? And it's like, it's fine. And then it's like, you're going to have to listen to it over and over again. That's why you get Denisey cassettes to play over and over again. in your... You have a cassette player in your car, don't you? In a 2019 Tacoma? Yeah, sure. Just jam it in there. They fit anywhere. Hey, my last CRV was the first thing that I had where I didn't have a cassette player. I had a cassette player in my car up until like maybe five years ago. Don't they have those cassettes that you can export through a stereo jack? You can tune it to an FM station. You're talking about the cassette with the wire coming off of it that you can plug your phone into? Yeah. Yeah, those are great. They're awesome. Those are awesome. Yeah. We used a lot of those back in the day. And you go through them every couple weeks because they wear them so they don't die. Well, yeah, they break. The wires break and stuff. But anyway, yeah. Kyle, you should play more VR golf. Everybody should play more VR golf. I need to play more VR golf, but I didn't bring my VR headset. Yeah, the VR golf thing. I actually played VR golf for the first time in, I don't know, probably six months the other day. It takes a lot of time. Like, Friday nights, we'll do, like, VR with some of the VR people. We'll go to this, like, thing called VR Chat. It's this whole crazy thing I'm not going to go into right now. The things you'll see. Yeah. Like, they've all been in there with me. You can't. Like, high level, just in case you guys want to know what this is, it's totally insane. So it's an open world thing, right, where you just, you go in and you're in VR and you are in public with other random people. and the people is what make it very interesting. You have to mute the children. You have to mute the, if there's children there, I always block them because I don't want them to hear anything that I say. Yeah. So it's crazy. But yeah, so that's, I'm not really, you know, that's not why I'm here. I'm excited about Expo. Yeah, so that should be fun. I'm going to be there Friday night and Saturday night, I think, is when I'll actually physically be there. I'll be walking around. I'm going to be giving away, like, free stuff. I'm going to have a little bag on me with, like, free junk in it that I'm just going to be giving people. Is it going to be, like, the little toiletries from hotels and shit like that? It could be. That would be it. I mean, no one knows what it's going to be. Yeah, no. It could be Flarp. It could be Flarp. Go to the store and play Flarp. Yeah. Yeah. It could be Pogs. I don't know. It could be Pogs. It could be Pogs. We should play Pogs. We should play Pogs. Pogs. Come on, what is Pogs? What kind of question is that? It's the code name for the next T3 release. Oops. Exactly what that is. Scott, you had a question of what your favorite spooky game is that you did not design. The favorite spooky game I did not design is probably America's Most Haunted. That game is just funny. It's got creative layout stuff going on. Ben did an excellent job. That was his first, like, I don't know, Not really his first. This was his first real game. He didn't build everything from scratch. He started using off-the-shelf parts. Didn't wire up a DMD for that one? Yeah, he didn't build a DMD from scratch out of LEDs that he bought from Mouser.com. So I like AMH a lot. I think it's really funny, and it's well done, and it's a time capsule of its time. What's in your lineup right now? What's in my lineup at home? What's in your lineup at home? I have a big Lebowski Tron with Powerballs in it because Trons should never be played with regular steel pinballs because it's dumb. You guys think I'm crazy. I'm not crazy. Go put Powerballs in your Tron and try it. You'll see. I will never question your decision. Seriously, it's amazing. I will question your decision all the time. Oh, yeah. Until we get to Portal. Oh, you can get to Portal. So, okay, the funny thing is, though, right, my friend comes over and he's like, I'm like, hey, just so you know, there's Powerballs in Tron. And he's like, what's the matter with you? You're crazy? I'm like, just go play it. So he started playing it, and he got, this is Andy Bagwell. So he's a really good player, but he's not like, he's not like just going to get to Portal every time. But he got to Portal with no Sea of Simulation with Powerballs in there and was like, that's the first time I've ever done that in my life. And he is now a believer. Jerry, or Scott, what else is in your lineup? Oh, man, I could keep going here. Let's see. There's one that is not like the others. Put him in this one that's not like the others. The neon colored one. Oh, the neon one? Oh, the TNA? No, no, no. Which one? We were playing with the black light. Oh, that one. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll get there. I'll get there. Hold on. Oh, boy. Okay, so I'm just going to go down the line because I can't remember. Like, if I scramble these up out of order that they are sitting in the basement, I will. You're visualizing, right? Yeah, I have to say it. So there's a TNA. There's a Rick and Morty next to it. There's a Bride of Himbot 2.0. There is a Multimorphic P3, which I have the – I actually have every module and every piece of DLC content that Multimorphic offers. DLC is a bad word. Don't say that. It's downloadable content. It's add-on games. Add-on games. All right, fine. I've got every game that they've made. But you download them. You do download them. Yeah. Your Wi-Fi. But they're not content. Okay. It's not content. Okay, so yeah, you're right. Okay, so content. Content is a bad word. Okay, so I'll take that back. It's not a subscription-based service. No, it is not a subscription-based service. Absolutely. So, yeah, so downloadable games, which is great. Actually, wait, I just upgraded the system manager recently so that it does automatic updates when things are available for me, like just automatically through the Wi-Fi. And I'll tell you what, like I'm so spoiled now that I just don't feel like updating other games now. Yeah, it's a pain in the butt to go grab that simple USB stick and stick it in a computer. That seems very, like, pretentious to say, but it's, like, it really is kind of a pain in the ass to, like, go get a USB stick and, like, go and do the thing and then step through the menu. But, like, that P3 system now, it just says, hey, there's an update. You want to just do it? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Okay. And then I go, like, wait for a bit. We were working on that thinking we were wasting our time because it's so easy to grab a USB stick and stick it in. Yeah, it's easy. It's so different. Yeah. I will say this. Jordan at one point was trying to update a game that was at my house, and he was asking, he was like, do you have a USB stick? And as someone who did not technology, like, outside of work, we could not find a USB stick in my house. Like, we looked through everything, everywhere. There was nothing. But then, fast forward, like, two months later, we're cleaning out the garage. No, it wasn't two months. It was, like, two years. Lo and behold, we find, like, three USB sticks, like, sitting in some bag. We found a bag of USB sticks. And that was my issue, is I have a ton of them, but they all match because I got them in bulk for school. Yeah. And it was like, okay, well, if I'm one of them, let's just try them all. Yeah, just start sticking them in there and see which one does it. But now, yeah, every new game we get now, you just click on the button and it downloads it. Magic. Yeah, magic. Magic. I love it. Yeah, so that's a lot of fun. Next to the P3 is Dr. Dude, which is what we were messing with last night. So I have one of these. So I have a flashlight, okay? So I've got dogs and a cat. And every single person that has dogs and a cat, I would assume, has a UV flashlight for finding pee on the floor. No. Okay, that's not a thing. All right. Okay, cool. I got a thumbs up, so I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm not crazy yet. Kaz is being funny. So I have this UV flashlight. I'm like, you guys want to see something really, really cool? I turned the lights off in the game room, and I took the UV flashlight, and I aimed it at Dr. Dude. All of the neon orange, neon green, neon yellow, all of that stuff is black light reactive in that game. So you shine it at the play field, at the cabinet, everything. And all of this stuff is just glowing like crazy. It makes me kind of want to swap all the, like, the GI with, like, UV lights, but I don't know. Now I kind of want to go home and see what games I have that are UV reactive. Yeah, you need to find a black light and just go with it. Yeah, like, it could be a dangerous thing to do. I don't know. Well, it kind of is. Yeah, just don't aim it at yourself because it's like your pants can look embarrassing in a black light because of, you know. What are you? Never mind. I don't want to know what you're doing. Never mind. You're going to have to put on your glassware at home that's filled with uranium. Yes, that too. If your glassware glows, don't eat from it. You need to put it in your nickname cabinet, like your period cabinet. Yeah, and make sure it's behind glass so that it can stop the radioactive decay. Good to know. Yeah, so blacklight thing, go do that. It's awesome. So very cool. Open ball mayhem, Jeremy. Oh, Jeremy's near. Cool. Hey, Jeremy. So, yeah, Kyle, I'm not singing the wishing tree song. Maybe later. Maybe later. But next to that is a high speed, which is just a near and dear game to myself. And then I have a golden tee 2019, which is fun. Yeah, but it's a high speed with a butter cap. It is a high-speed butter cabinet. I am so jealous. Yeah. Yeah, Lion Man Doug did the cabinet for me. So it's incredible. Yeah, it's basically like if you took a high-speed cabinet and just dipped it in molten butter that you had in the microwave, but not for too long, and then pulled it back out and let it dry. So it's the half power, not the full power. Not the full power. It'll burn in a bubble. Yeah, it does the bubbly stuff. And it flatters and it's a pain to clean. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah. I feel like our high speed cabinet was like a brown butter cabinet. Oh, we cooked it too long. We cooked it too long. Well, like, not yet. No, too long. When you overcook your butter. Yeah. But yeah, Alan says, light man. He does. It's Jerry's favorite thing, right? That is Jerry's absolute favorite. You're going to get me fired, man. Red's never to click on. See, and Kay, you must have a boy, because I have a daughter, and I do not go into the bathroom with a UV light after her. Well, you don't go with it. I mean, remember, though, that UV also reacts with laundry detergent. It does. So that's what's funny, though, is because almost everyone's shirts and pants will probably have some kind of texture to it in UV. Yeah, because of that. The story you're going with. Okay. Yeah, that's that. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm going to go with. I light up real well, but that's just because I have cats, and they leave light-colored cat hair everywhere. That, too. Absolutely. Where's the Earth Shaker? The Earthshaker. Oh, that. I sold it. You sold your first P-Rock project. I did. You guys can all build live, Scott. Once I put mine back together, I can make it up. Are you going to give me the code? The code's an open store. Is it? Yeah, it's on my GitHub. Okay. Yeah, it's there for people to reference and everything. People use it all the time. That's my original intention was to put that on there after I rebuilt it. Just like reverse engineer it to figure out. You don't have to reverse engineer it. I'll give you the code and I'll give you all the audio. I want to look at the code and see how it does. Okay, well, don't look too deep at it. It's not PEP8. Jordan, are you going to finish Pinball Magic first, though? Yeah, it's almost done, and Farfalla's already out the door. That's true, Farfalla did make it out the door. Last project is Earthshaker. Nice. Does he need to know where his USB stick is? Because that's the big part, is where is the USB? Well, see, Jordan's a really good programmer, though, so he could figure out how to make it Wi-Fi updatable. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, all P-Rock projects should be easily updated. You have a computer there. Write some code. Yeah, just break code. Stop being lazy and use it in a USB, right? Yeah, so, Kielbasa, that was my next question. Jerry, what's in your collection right now? My collection is very small. After you start a pinball company, you don't really want to go home and play pinball all the time. I've heard that before. I have an Attack from Mars and a Theater of Magic, both of which were the first two machines I bought back in 97, I think. And then I currently have a Whitewater on loan or on trade with a friend. I have his Stern Mustang. Nice. And I want to trade back quickly. I played Whitewater for the first time at Logan's Arcade this week, and I was like, I want this game. and my husband's going to be going, you just told me not to order more games because we don't have room. And I'm like, well, there's room in the bathroom. We can put a game in there. We can make room for it. Sounds like a pinball house. It's fast. You just get rid of all your furniture. We don't know furniture. The kitchen is pinball machines. The front room where my library used to be is pinball machines now. If I wasn't working from home, we could fit five more in the house, but I don't want to make that to you. Can you work at the dining room table? Yeah. I work in the kitchen. I'm a bad person. I should not be talking. No, it's okay because I did that for a while, but he works from home too, and the echo is just... If he went back to the office, I could take over his office, and I could fit eight more in there. If only there was a machine where you could take up one spot in your house. In your house. Eight spots. It would be really cool. Gosh. It would probably save marriages and everything. I wish somebody would just come up with that idea. That's a cool idea. Yes. It is a great idea. It might be patented, though. We should look. Oh, yeah. But I bet I won't need to find a USC every time I go. That's a good point. Every time. We are talking a friend into picking up a key trade. Oh, yeah? Yep. They have limited room and a lot of different games that they're interested in. It's like check out both the market. Perfect. Are they here this weekend? They are not, but they will be at TPS next year, and that's what got them hooked with the last TPS. And he's been talking about pinball machines ever since, and we're like, we've really got to stop costing all our friends money. We're going to get into so much trouble if we keep doing this. But that was what we kept saying. Look at multi-morphic. All we have to do is get them out of the trailer. That's all we've got to do now. We're going to have a big presence at TPF this year, too. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait. We are planning on doing TPF as well. Awesome. It's going to be a good thing. I think we're going to go to TPF. Yeah? It's like a three-hour drive. You're going to TPF. We're going. I'm definitely going. It's going to be warm. Hey, wait. You're going to Houston next. I'm going to Houston next. Well, I'm going to Houston in like two weeks. Is it two weeks from now? It's in two weeks, I think. So I'll be there, and then CPF is what, April? When is it? March. Yeah, I'll be there as well. Yep. Awesome. Awesome. Got my hotel already. For CPF? Yeah. I don't even have money. You should probably do that. I should probably do that. CPF 2022, yes. I wish I were going to Cincinnati in December, but between Houston and Expo and a butt misfa that I have in December, like all my leave is spoken for. And it sounds really cold. Yeah. I mean, I'm cold right now, and it's only like 15 degrees. Oh, it's nice in here now. Yeah, this is like Texas winter. Is it Texas winter right now? Yeah. This is the coldest year I've got. Like in this room? Yeah. Yeah. I'm from Florida. We left, and it was 86 degrees outside. We got on in, and I was like, what is that? No. Yeah, no, this isn't okay. It's weird how you get used to it because this doesn't bother me at all. I'm outside grilling and stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is great. I can't feel my toes. And you're in shorts. I'm in shorts. But that's only because I haven't opened my suitcase yet to get my jeans out. Oh, okay. There's a reason he's hanging out. It's not because of the chat. It's because he loves us. It's warm in here. We're in shorts right now. Yeah. No, it's fine. Not a problem. Like I said earlier, it's the head that's the problem, not the legs. That's right. I didn't think to pack one this year. Oops. Thanks. Carrie, put it on. It's handmade. I made it myself. Oh, she made it. You've got to put it on now. It a homemade one It match her shirt I can tell you It even warm It even warm It even warm Weren we just talking about this She doesn have lice you good Even if she had lice, that wouldn't really matter, right? I could fall into a beer. Yeah, I don't know where to bring it back. I have no idea where to bring it back. Zach is supposed to be on his way. He is running late from what I was told. I don't have any other information outside of the fact that so she needs to work on time management. Typical Zach. Yeah. I finished this one. Nice. I know. I shouldn't have more hats. I know. You don't get a lot of use out of it in Texas, but for the one time that it's, like, cold, it was really helpful in the freeze. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Gary. I have a hat. I haven't busted out my hat yet. I have one that says, Be a Nice Human on it. That is pretty cool. Yeah. I'm like, oh, right. If I'm going to say something on a hat, that sounds pretty good. Yeah. So, Jerry, Becca and I did her first escape room in Austin last week, downtown in Austin. And they have a room called Heist. And I'm like, these guys need a Heist machine in the lobby for their themed room. And you have to get to wizard mode before you exit. Yeah. Oh, exit. Either way. I've never done an escape room either. No? Oh, it's so much fun. I've only done it in VR. We got out. I'm scared. I'm supposed to be smart, and if I can't get out, I'll... Oh, no, no, no. I got out. You go on the team of eight people. I found, like, one clue, and I was really happy with my, like, one clue that I found. What if, like, you guys all fail? Like, don't you all feel bad about yourselves? No, no. No, you get to blame it on the people. You point fingers. Oh, okay. Is it like The Floor is Lava? Have you seen that show? Yes. It's not like that. It's like the movie Escape Room, but nobody dies. I never saw it. Yeah, that's the way to put it. Yeah. No, the biggest thing with escape rooms is tear everything apart. If it comes off the walls, if it comes up, like, yeah. It'll be puzzles. And you use black lights. There are black lights that are in here. Am I allowed to bring my own black light? I don't know if that's frowned upon or not, but you never know until you try. The black light in the room we were in, it was chained to a wall. Okay, so you had to figure out how to turn it on, probably. Yeah, it was, you click it, and then, yeah, there's like a little tablet you have to line up in a certain spot. The black light to see the letters. Okay, I won't go to that one. Yeah. I don't know you cannot bring your own chainsaw because it's a little tiny chainsaw and it doesn't make it's not actually a chainsaw I think that's called a dremel tool a dremel tool a tiny chainsaw have you seen those tiny chainsaws they actually do have tiny chainsaws like dremel tools no like they have little chains on them it's crazy alright guys I'm going to go grab some food alright I'll see you later see you Jerry we'll be here or not we could leave I don't know There's more people who get caught. Yeah. Feel led. This is just a party. Yeah, it is. Yay! We're going to turn into it. Oh, you're heroes outside, by the way. My hero is outside? Yeah. Who? Steve Ritchie. Oh, Steve? Oh, I love Steve. Yeah, I do. I have a lot of stories. My heroes are inside because I have both makers of my favorite games here. I know. Oh, you love his whirlwind too? I love the ending. I had to beg, borrow, steal, and almost offer a kidney for TNA, and we found one. I forced it. I have 75 sucks. I made my husband drive both of them. I got me a TNA. It is my baby, and it is moving into my office. She had me looking for a TNA for like a month, and I could not find one. Really? Yeah. I made him look for a TNA. I made everybody I knew. I was like, do you know where a TNA is? I need a TNA. They're going to rerun them now. Well, of course they are. Oh, is that late-breaking stuff? Not really. I mean, they've been talking about it for a while. They don't know when it's going to happen, but it's definitely going to happen. Okay. Yeah. So we're finalizing our mods on it, right? He just sorted the last of the mods for it, and then I really, really, really want the LPs. Oh, yeah. I want them. Yeah, that one, I just, like I said earlier, I just got the test press today. I got to listen to it for the first time. It was incredible. So cool. Yeah, Jordan and Bex were there, actually. I was like, you know, I may not look really excited because I don't get, like, super excited when, like, really great stuff happens. I just get like, oh, that's really cool. And then you're like, are you on to the next thing after that? Kind of, yeah. But, like. You guys did get really excited about Cream of Wheat, though. You were talking about it. You got really, really excited about Cream of Wheat. Cream of Wheat's a whole different thing, you know. It also took less than a minute for Scott to, like, on his turntable start, like, mashing it up with different effects. Right. And, like, doing some reverb. Scott's basement looks like 1980s, 1990s nuclear missile control. Like all these wires and, you know, you don't want to touch nothing because you're afraid of, like, the red button. Like something's going to pop out the garage. They're all red buttons, aren't they? They're all red buttons. There's a yellow button. I got to press the yellow button. You press the yellow button. I don't know what the yellow button does. Does the yellow button do anything? I don't know. Okay. Yeah, most of the buttons in my basement, I don't know what they do. Becca and I had a small conversation about if the garage door button was the garage door button. It is. But it's just like this big old, like, lock-off button. Yeah, it's a big, like, industrial, like, slam it, like, as hard as you want button. Perfect. Yeah. Did you use it? Yeah. You did? Okay, so you tried it. We were scared because we're like, oh, cool. Did we hit it? Yeah. What's the worst that's going to happen, right? I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to blow something up. I'm going to break something. I break everything. I broke your TNA. No, the TNA's been broken. Yeah, but I made it break in a different way. No, no, it's broken. I gave it a broken in brown. Okay, so this is interesting. That is very interesting, actually. I was trying to make a brown-colored LED, like an RGB value for brown, and I couldn't figure it out. But, like, last night some of the boards on the actual game, like, messed up, and it started making random colors, and it made brown. And I don't know how it did it, but, like... I made brown, you guys. She made brown. I made brown. I don't know how... Multiple shades of brown. Multiple shades of brown, even. That's how I'm an escape room guy. Yeah. Escape room. I don't know if we're going to get another Chris. We've been asking Zach about that, too. So, I am not sure about that. And Zombie Dog, get TNA, too. TNA is a great game. You know what's crazy? It's like, I know she was excited that you were coming out, right? I'm so excited. I run into you once a month, once every other month, whatever. Well, we're just friends. Yeah. He calls me all the time because Bill and I talk probably. So today is the first day Bill and I have met face-to-face, but we talk on the phone probably four or five times a week, like 30 minutes to an hour at a time. And I'm like, he's like, yeah, so we're going to do this Expo thing. And I'm like, okay, cool. You know, we're going to be in Chicago. And he's like, and Scott Danesi is going to be there. And I'm like. But everybody in the pinball, like in Chicagoland, everybody. We don't have this in Florida. Knows each other. Knows each other. We don't have this in Florida at all. So he's like, yeah, he's naming off people. And I'm like, holy shit. He's just people we work with or get cards to, that kind of thing. Or help with finding problems in a game that you can't figure out for 10 hours. But you suck at finding me a game, Bill. I found you a Twilight Zone. That was for a friend, but yes, she did. Exactly. Can you find us a Gottlieb spring break for like less than $1,000? Oh, probably. I think we can. Three break is cool as hell. Yeah. That was our first pinball machine. And Ramp-O-Matic's making, like, clear purple ones now for the ramps. And we've used it a lot. Amazing. Yeah. Nice. I sold it for not enough money. Yeah, we sold ours for $900 at the last TPL. But you know what the problem is? Is literally the prices of pinball machines have shot up so much, it's just insane. Yep. You know. I mean, we did just pick up a Metallica for $4,500. Okay, well, you stole it. That was, like, practically new in box. Yeah, you stole it. Yeah. That was our TMA. That was basically free. Yeah, no kidding. No, no, no, it's not. No, it's not. I had to pay for it. I don't make that kind of money. But literally, you can list it today for $6,500 and probably get it. Yeah. Well, it's real nice. Well, that's good. I'm struggling on my, like, deep detestment of capitalism and also, like, I really have to buy a car. What is a car? Cars are a freedom. I mean, you can put wheels on your Metallica. When we went to the American Pinball Tour today, I asked them, they were like, well, do you have any questions? And I'm like, well, all of these cabinets are on casters. Can we raise them, please? Like, can I get in? I really wanted to do, like, a boxcar derby in a pinball cabinet. So if I can, if anybody is willing to put me into an empty pinball cabinet and, like, just push me down a hill, ideally, you know, with tabs and a helmet on. I know somebody that can make a cabinet for that. I know a guy. so like we could make like a make a we could absolutely please please it'd be like the red bolt fluke talk but with like pinball cabinets yeah that would be great uh cnk no we could not put the raza in the back of the car um all right i'm gonna have i'm gonna get some other guests online real quick i think rob i'll be back in the locker yeah the san antonio police department yikes it's fine it's fine also nobody can get into that warehouse building like i'm pretty sure nobody is able to get in there You guys, we have somebody else that's joining the table. I don't know who this guy is, but he looks kind of familiar with us. Just some drunks. Don't worry about it. Ugly-ass Wisconsin hat. How can I tell you're from the West? You call it West-Constant. Eric Meunier from JJP is sitting here with us. Eric, the most important question of the night. Yes? Did you get a big ring-nay yet? Not yet. God bless it. But now I've got a lot of spices that I can use. Some of that dirty salsa. Really shitty, shitty salsas. No, I currently only have an electric smoker. Very, very, very truly. I'm not driving. Random, random pinball world that we're in. Not only do I reach out to Eric when my Wizard of Oz is acting crazy, but I also ask him, hey, what's on the smoker? So, yeah, we brought him some seasoning, some dirty towels. It was made in, or what was it? It was produced in a factory that also contains Spooky and Stern Pinball, so that happens. But it should still be good. How the hell are you, buddy? I'm doing great, actually. I'm going to have a lot of fun at Expo. Should be fun. Hope a lot of people show up and get to play all the fun games. And I spent all day setting up our booth. Nice. Nice. So, little score, because these games are heavy as hell. Have you tried not making wide bodies? I did. I did. You really did that once. But I like the wide bodies. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They're okay if you don't have stairs or back issues or, yeah, those things. Eric, question. Yes? If you had any JJP cabinet and you were going to do a Pinewood Derby in it, which one would you do? Which cabinet would you go down the hill in? Hmm. Hmm. You probably want the one with the heaviest mass, right? Right. Well, I don't know. Is that a factor in that? Does it depend on the hill? Or at least the forward mass. Yeah, you want forward mass. Forward mass, right. Physics. It's got to be well balanced. Oh, and if you're Pinewood Derbying, if you're Pinewood Derbying, make it look like a boat in the front because when the thing goes down, you'll start moving before it's full flat. I think that's cheating, though, and they might be frowning on you. They might be frowning on you. Yeah. I would probably want to go down a hill in Pirates. Yeah? Would you wear the big fancy hat? Oh, yeah. No, no, because I think he would be yelling, like, you know, a whole time. That'd be really weird if I were in, like, Guns N' Roses. Yeah, and yelling R. Because he'd be yelling R anyway, so we might as well be in Pirates. Might as well. Please tell me you would have the word rum painted on the side. I would have a bottle of rum. Yeah. What if we were in Girls and Roses and you were, like, dressed as a tank as well with, like, the cannons? That would be. That could work. That would work. That would work. Or, I mean, you could just make it look like a giant yellow brick road and blend in with the hell. We could make this work out, too. And, Java, I saw your comment earlier. Apparently your wife has a huge geek crush on Eric and his work. Oh. Don't tell my husband, but I do, too. We did make her cry. so we had one actually on this channel a really amazing upper play field for GNR Eric that you had signed and we ran into the issue where we literally have so much art we have so much art in our house like we have no room to put anything on the walls and Java Grind's wife is such your fan she was freaking out and was like this is this is for you and she just like wept. That is so awesome. Sorry Jordan, am I not supposed to mention that we give things away? No, that's fine. I mean, I won that on this channel for singing Guns N' Roses orally. It was a lot better than some others. You did. It was just wonderful. It is so awesome. At least I think she wept. What giveaways are happening tonight? I have heard that there is going to be a former TPN who's showing up and bringing something. Okay. Is it a free GNR? Do I have to take my shirt off on stream again? Is that the prize? Possibly, yeah. It depends on how many 20s we get. Y'all throw bitties. All right. It depends on how many what? What? What if? Bitties. Yeah, we'll throw the bitties. Oh, what about that? No, we all throw the bitties. Bitties. What about that? Nice. Damn. All right. They still make those? Yeah, they still make money. Yeah, it's weird. Eric, I don't know if you've seen our channel at all, but we had a really fun experience where we told people that we were getting a new machine, and we led them to believe we were getting a JJP Pirates. But we bait and switched them and ended up getting a Pirate's Zizzle. Ooh. And revealed it on stream. We gave them all these hints that it was leading them towards that. Everyone's like, oh, my God, you're getting a JJP Pirates. It's going to be amazing. You revealed it. We're not friends anymore. That's fantastic. We could, but. Alec was so mad. He was at a concert, and he was, like, in doing something, and he, like, tuned in, you know, using that, like, sweet, sweet data. And there's biddies. It's a thanks card. It's a thanks card. Oh, what is that? That was caused by biddies to get dirt naked, apparently. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, Frisco, a baby's at it for us. I can't believe we drove six hours around trip for that sizzle. For a sizzle? Oh, my gosh. We literally, it was the best $200 joke. Oh, man. I remember the first time I played a Zizzle. And I played half a ball because I broke it. Oh. I mean, I just, like, I nudged the game. And it moved. Did you, like, beat? Yeah. Because when I nudge it, games tend to move. And, like, there's warning signs. Did you, like, nudge or did you nudge? I'm used to moving JJP games. Well, you can literally pick up the Zizzle. and like you can if you wanted to you would never tilt the zizzle because you could just pick it up and you could just move the ball around so like you're just taking like an extra step yeah perfect so embarrassingly enough I've never played a zizzle like is it just all plastic and cardboard is that what it is it's like foam core I will have you know like re-aced foam core high quality foam core wow only the highest quality they are actually made of flippers though are they mechanical flippers no well they're mechanical in the sense of like coils oh they've got coils You have buttons, but the buttons have like a can of liver thing to like hit the actual contact switch because there's not enough of them. And thank you, Neil, for never getting rid of those so we can play them. But yeah, you can come visit, Scott. We'll probably have it still. You guys can both come visit. And we can have a sizzle turn in it with Eric and Scott. It'll be great. Goren wants Eric to get into VR. Yeah. Eric should get into VR with us. We should. All right. Is this where I make all of Goren's dreams come true? Yes. Yes. I bought a Quest 2 a year ago. And I have 100%ed Superhot. Oh, man. Somebody is very excited. That's Goran. Next Friday, we're doing something interesting. Don't. We're doing it. Eric's all good. We're still going to be driving. Next Friday? We'll be home. Friday after next? Yeah. Wait. I have a weekend, and then I have to go to Houston after that. Yeah, it'll be great. We literally will only see each other. We won't see each other for like a whole weekend, and then we'll see each other again. Yeah. I kind of feel like we need to get into VR now. You should. You should. It's odd. The game that hooked me, like my coworker Mark, who does art for J.J.P., he did the standard edition Guns N' Roses, all hand-drawn. It's really cool. Really cool. he brought in his VR headset and he's like, hey, check this out. Okay, sure. I wanted to see what VR was all about. And he put on the game Superhot which is like a kind of first person shooter. The bad guys and the bullets and stuff only move when you move. Okay. So like someone shoots at you, you can just like hold still and you can like really slowly like matrix like dodge the bullets. So I played that game for like 20 minutes and then I went home and I bought one. That's awesome. I was like, I need this in my life. This is one of the coolest things I've ever experienced. The only VR experience that I have, we did one of the VR rooms down in Disney, in the Disney Springs area, and they had like this Star Wars VR room. And it was Mike, myself, and this other random guy, and they gave Mike and I these guns, and they didn't give the other guy one. So we got three quarters of the way through it, and then we're like, okay, well, everybody is shooting at you, So we're going to shoot you too because, like, you're the weak link now. Right. And, you know, we've got to keep going. Right. And then they stopped and they're like, wait a second, this guy doesn't have a gun. So we got to do it again. Nice. And, I mean, like, you have, like, the heat coming up and you go to lava pits and you're in elevators. And it was bad. That's super cool. Yeah. So I would do VR for that and not alone. But then I'd have, like, an obstacle course set up around my house the rest of the time. And they'd be like, why is there a fire in the middle of the kitchen? I don't know. I lit a candle. No, God only knows. I was playing Superhot in our arcade at JJP. Of course you have an arcade at JJP. And there's a window from our arcade into engineering. And Pat Lawler was sitting there and watching me play. I had no idea, right? Because it's a full visor. I couldn't do anything. But other people were watching me on a monitor. And I hear Pat, who is technically my boss, as I'm sitting here just dicking around playing VR. Not so many times. Right, of course, not so many times. Yeah, because you're not going to do it at home. He's just like, it really looks like you're performing Tai Chi. Because I was playing super hot, and I was just like, you know, dodging bullets and like throwing frying pans. Yeah, and doing it like slow. Doing it very slowly and like controlled and like, you know, core muscles and legs and just like leaning back and trying to not get shot by things. And I hear Pat off in the distance like, it looks like he's doing Tai Chi. Must be one with the pinballs pass. That's pretty funny. That's the inspiration for his next game. He's meditating on it. You've got to try mini golf. Talk about mini golf. It's the thing that sold me on VR. It's legit. It feels like real golf. And you're in there with your friends. We could all be sitting here right now. But we could be golfing trick shots. And again, one year in VR is the same as nine years. Nine or ten. Maybe ten. In real people. Yeah. We've actually known each other all of our lives now, Scott, just because of the past six months in VR. Yes, absolutely. Because six months is like 40 years. Yeah. Yeah. Zombie Dog has a request for the influential, talented designers in the room. Tenacious D, Rammstein, Ace Ventura, Lonely Island, please and thank you. I like Lonely Island. Lonely Island, yes. Like a lot. Jack Black is a huge pinball nut. Really? All right. That's good to know. I'll just leave that there. All right. Perfect. Sounds good. All right. Let's change the subject. Beck with Hub Challenge is here. Well, not here in the room, but I see her in chat. And I hope that you're feeling better. She's the one who had surgery, not me. Yes. The other Beck. The other one. I'm so sorry because I'm like, I know that one of you did, and damn, that was a quick recovery. So I wish you were here. And, yeah. I know. I'm actually Beck from Hub Challenge. We did a really fun thing where on April Fool's we switched. You swapped? We swapped. That's awesome. We were a Fliptronic Cup Challenge or whatever it was. It was really funny. But we switched screens for a day. That is so, so awesome. What is everyone drinking? White Claw. I don't have anything. Because I'm a real classy lady. Go get a drink. What would you like? I'm going to go find something. I'll be right back. Okay. Come back, Scott. That is one of the parts of when I stream, I often talk about the beers I drink. Yes, I know. Because I often ask you about them. Because I'm a crazy alcoholic. So I'm drinking Noon Whistle, which is a local to where we're sitting brewery. They are out of, I don't want to get this suburb right, Lombard, Illinois. I'm drinking Paranormal Gummy Northeast India IPA. That is a hell of a lot to remember. So basically their flagship is called the Gummy IPA. Yes. And then they have Gummypocalypse and they have other sorts of gummy IPAs. We tried some this week. That is so, I loved, love, love, love, love, love, freaking love this area. You guys have pinball. You guys have beer. And they're in the same location. Yep. I had a vanilla bitch slap earlier today. That's from Noon Whistle as well. It was delicious. God, it was good. Vanilla bitch slap? Vanilla bitch slap. Yeah. Does it just like smack you across the face with flavor? It kind of does. It's really good. It's a pildner with a nice sweet vanilla flavor, but not overly sweet. and it just... Right after you guys left, I actually had it. It was delicious. I have a four-pack of that in my fridge. Very nice. It was good. It was very, very good. Java, yes. Gremlin. Neil would like a gremlin. Eric, random question. We were talking about this with Scott last night. Do you have a random irrational fear of anything? Irrational fear? Like a wild body falling on you or something? For example, my irrational fear is when I am driving, I am deeply afraid that if I sneeze, I'm going to close my eyes when I sneeze and I'm going to wreck my car. Or if I keep my eyes open, my eyes are going to pop out. Gotcha. I had a girlfriend who told me a story about that once. Her uncle, like, sneezed and totaled his car. Cool. Maybe it's not an irrational fear. Are we talking about irrational fears? Wait, I thought we were going to save this. Well, I'm asking Eric. Eric is not going to be here tomorrow. Let me think of my irrational teeth. Nice zombie. And feel free to open up. Don't cry or anything. I mean, it's not like this is being... But if you cry, I did go to school for therapy like eight years ago. Okay, perfect. We can work through these issues. Yeah, people cry to me all the time. And I'm a nurse. I can tell you which drugs to mix. Oh, perfect. It'll be fun. Man, you should have been there when I was at Houston Expo. I had allergies that turned into something else, and I was like, I'll just take all the cold medicine. Yeah. And then I drank a bunch of those, and I don't remember half of Houston Expo. So that's why we have to do it again. No, don't do that next time. No. It turned out fine. So I still, I am now 10 years out of college. I still will have a recurring nightmare where I show up to Camp Randall. So I'm a badger. I was part of the Wisconsin Marching Band. I will show up to Camp Randall not in uniform. so like not wearing my right and like I'm supposed to go on the field and I'm supposed to be marching and you're just in something else and I'm just like wearing my street clothes and Mike LeCron the band director from Wisconsin who directed for 50 years before he retired was just like the person you never wanted to disappoint in your entire life because he would shame you and you would never live it down in front of 300 of your peers so I'm pretty sure every band member at Wisconsin. And, like, you know, we're all part of a Facebook page and all that stuff. People post something all the time about how everyone has this recurring nightmare of showing up to Camp Randall not in uniform or marching not in formation. And, like, that's still part of my psyche, and I've been out of school for 10 years. That is hilarious. I have an irrational fear of delivering a baby at Disney. I feel like that's not necessarily irrational I feel like it's one of those things where you could also be on a plane and then somebody goes into labor and they'll be like it is only at the nurse it is only at Disney and I was a labor and delivery nurse for years and I worked in high risk obstetrics so I've seen everything that can go wrong and in my dream I am standing next to the hot dog stand Casey Jones hot dog and there's a woman that grows into labor and it's a complicated pregnancy and they try and stop us from shoplifting clothes because I'm trying to, like, catch a baby and keep it warm. And then they, like, yell at me because I shoplifted and banned me from Disney. So that is my irrational fear. I'm like, but I delivered a baby. And they're like, no, no, no, no, but you shoplifted, like, $160 worth of shirts. So basically, like, two shirts. For $160. Yeah, yeah. Cheapest delivery ever. Yeah, right? And I'm like, I'm sorry? She got banned. How much is that worth, though? That's a lot. What about if you were trying to deliver a baby at Universal Orlando? It doesn't bother me, though. but what's funny is because we're student season ticket holders for both of them. Like, we're pass holders. So I will walk around Disney, and if I see a woman go, I'm like, uh-oh, we're going the other way. And they're like, my husband will be like, we've been in line for Pandora now for two and a half hours. He's like, I don't care. I'm going that way. Oh, my gosh. I really enjoy everybody who's in chat who has, like, the same similar, like, recurring marching band nightmare. Yes. and also that apparently translate to actors, and also apparently people do try to have their kids at Disney, so that fear is no longer, I think, irrational. Like, I think that is now a founded fear, just like someone else who said that someone did wreck their car when they sneezed. And so this all makes sense to you guys. Well, I think the part of that one that you told me that was kind of irrational was the fact that you said your eyeballs would pop out. Well, yeah, because I don't want to blink. I don't want to blink. But your eyeballs aren't going to come out. I don't know that, Scott. I'm so... I'm not sold on it. You're wearing glasses. You're wearing glasses. You're fine. How bad is it? I've never seen this. My eyes open. I've never seen this. My eyes open, you guys. Like, I always close them. What happens the one time I don't close my eyes? Well, you just try it. Like, try it next time you're somewhere safe. No. Not in a car. Like, in a hospital? No. Just, like, drive myself to the urgent care and be like, I'm sorry, you guys. I have to sneeze, you guys. I have to sneeze. Yeah. Just make sure. Scott, do you... Where's the closest hospital? Like, do you... Oh, they're all over the place. Okay. You promised me if I sneeze with my eyes open in your basement, it's going to be okay, right? It's fine. I'll fix it for you. It's fine. I have a first aid kit. That's how you do it. Is it expired? No. Oh, okay. When is this good? Or, like, within the last five years, you're fine? Yeah, it's fine. Goran's afraid of Kirby. Goran... Oh, can I tell the story? How family-friendly is this? Yeah. Well, he's got me in charge, so... Oh, you're in charge? I guess so. I don't know. I was told it. Is that here? I'm not going to tell the story. I'm not going to tell the story. No, tell the story. I don't care. I can cryptically tell the story. There was a very inappropriate... So, okay, wait. So in VRChat, right? Remember we were talking about this earlier, right? So this VRChat program. You're in a room, right? And it's too late for him to return his quest, too. Yeah, he can't return it yet. He can't return it. It's already... It's all over. It's all on VRChat, Scott. It's totally going to... I'm not going to say it grossly, though. Okay, so there's a room, right? People make these rooms. They design them. Like someone could draw up this in 3D, this room right here, and we could all be in VR, put our headsets on. In studio B. We pick something called an avatar, which is what you look like, right? And we can all sit down here and talk with each other and have a good time, right? Great. But strangers can also come in here that we don't know, and they can have avatars on that we don't know anything about or whatever. Or they could be in their marching band uniforms. They could be in their marching band uniforms but not have any pants on. You know, like that kind of weird stuff. Like there's weird things. I don't know. But like, so there's this, people draw these avatars and they draw them to be funny and to shock people and to make people like uncomfortable. And there was a Kirby. You remember the thing Kirby, right? The little ball guy, right? Yeah. He had a whole body and didn't have any clothes on. But he was anatomically not a normal Kirby? He was not. No, and he was disproportionate. He was disproportionate. He was disproportionate. There was a Kirby with genitals. There was a Kirby with genitals. It was the Ron Jeremy Kirby. And I don't know how they did it, but he was very shiny. A pervy. He was very shiny. Yeah. It was not great. And that was Goran's first time in VRChat. I'm surprised. And I'm surprised he still goes in there with me because I'm just laughing at this thing, chasing Goran around because this guy got a reaction out of him so he's going to go after him. He's going to go after him, yeah. Scott, did you create the Kirby? Absolutely not. Okay. No, that is a waste of time. Well, that's how I figured that out. There's also a very alarming twerking Kermit that is an option. Oh, yeah. There's a twerking Kermit? Yeah, so you can do like animations with your avatar and apparently this one Kermit that Goran found, okay, this is Goran's thing here, okay, he found this avatar somewhere and it has like a big butt and it has an animation for twerking and it twerks and it's very uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable. Usually I turn into a very, very small little tiny lizard because its head lines up exactly with the butt and then I just dance around underneath it. Yes. It's really fun. That is a thing that she does. It's very fun. I don't know what you're talking about. So anyone in chat, if you guys are around next Friday, come find us in VR chat. My username is just Scott Denisey. You can just search it and find me. Friday night. Paul Hudson, you are not going to get any context. That is all that you get. Yeah, that's it. We're just going to leave you with the Kirby with genitals and just leave it alone. Yeah. So we're here to celebrate Expo, which is why we're talking about Kirby with genitals. Yeah. And apparently, you know, pantsless marching band. Yeah, whatever we were talking about earlier. But yeah, so, you know. We're very appropriate. Yeah, it's great. We're being appropriate, I promise. You want this? Dave wants in. Yeah, I want in. Come on. I have a commitment. Oh, Dave's taking a hot seat. Look at me. No, I haven't been yanking, Joel. You've got to say hi to people. Bye, people. Hi, Jordan. Am I coming with you? Let's swap some people out. All right. I'll get back on in a little bit. I'll get back on in a little bit. Need a break? I've got to say hi to some people here. All right. Bye, you guys. I'll be back in a little bit. Get up here, Eric. You can sit next to him. I'm going to sit next to him and rest with a little leg rub. We sit next to each other every day. Oh, crap. Hello. Peter and I share an office wall. Nice. Do you guys do Brian Morris code? We do. Mostly it's just like pound, pound. What were you thinking? All right, so we just have to move our mouse close to the microphone. So, Bill, that was like a prison movie where they did the Brian Morris code through the wall. I don't even remember. There have been several prison movies where they do that. Has there? Yeah. I don't even remember anymore. But everybody in chat, I want to welcome Peter Dorn, works at Jersey Jack Pinball. You want to tell us what your title is? What is your title, Peter? My current title is project manager. However, I'm still in engineering, mechanical engineering. I'm moving into a new role at this point. I'm finishing up my current responsibilities as one of Pat Lawler's main engineers on his project. Nice. Mm-hmm. Nice. And you, Brian Morris code with Eric. Well, yes, we do. Eric and I talk quite a bit, actually. Well, and you've been there for how many years now? Three and a half. Three and a half? Okay. And I did a lot of work with Eric on GNR. Right. I was Pat Lawler's main engineer on Wonka. And I came in just behind Eric trying to finalize Pirates. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Good stuff. My history goes back where I come out of Midway Games. Just as pinball was closing at Williams, I was doing mechanical engineering for Midway Games. Have you ever played Hydro Thunder? Hydro Thunder, that is my game. Peter Dorn, really? The man who designed the mechanical parts. I have a poster of Hydro Thunder. There you go. One of the originals or the second one that's just come out? No, it's the original. I sold a fish tank. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah. Who did I sell the fish tank to, Bill Webb? Brian Eddy. To Brian Eddy. Mr. Brian. So Brian Eddy showed up in my office. It was a bizarre deal, which most of my life is. And Brian Eddy had a ton of posters for me. And one of them was a Hydro Thunder. He did Hydro Thunder with you. Brian Eddy did that. But he worked at Midway at the time. So the game team for Hydro Thunder was out of California, actually. I have a Hydro Thunder. I have a signed Hydro Thunder poster from Brian Eddy. I should have brought it in. You could have signed it as well. Good thing we don't really know him. No. Because that will never happen now. No, no. But I wanted to thank you for jumping on stream. and Eric too. Thank you guys for making it out, man. I appreciate the invite. Here's to Axiom, everybody. I do. Right. Cheers, Dax. I don't have a drink, but cheers in spirit. Badu, noon whistle. Nice. Yeah, but hopefully everybody in chat is enjoying themselves. So yeah, if you've got questions, throw them out there. We might miss a question or two, so if we do, just feel free to jump back in and throw it back out there. And Peter and I go back. And Nap Arcade owns a Hydro Thunder. Nice. That's excellent. Right. You guys have known each other since. Bill was a wee lad, right? Yes. 30-some years? Yeah. Yeah. Bill used to come across, visit one of his friends that lived across the street from me. And then sometimes we'd, the kids would come over and we'd talk about cars, or I'd go over and help them with the cars. We had some incidents with cars that Peter really bailed us out with. But the crazy part is, is growing up, you know, I was playing Terminator and, you know, all these games, not knowing that, like, you had a part of some of that stuff. Right. You know, he used to say, oh, I worked for Williams. I was like, oh, who's Williams? I'm going to go play pinball. You know, not even thinking about it, you know, but crazy world. Bally Williams. Yeah. You know, I actually did work with the king of Mortal Kombat, too, and I did his last game called The Grid. Okay. Mr. Boone. Mr. Ed Boone and his brother. Nice. And it was a lot of fun back in those days. It was pretty much the Wild Wild West of game development, and we had pretty much carte blanche with what we wanted to do with, you know, those type of things. Well, back in the day, I mean, even like pinball had a different budget. You know, I mean, games were selling, you know, 5,000 units easy, right? Yeah, you know, try more like 15,000 on some of them. Well, yeah, like your Terminators was 15, Fishtails, I think, was 15, Indiana Jones was like 12, Twilight Zone was 15. Then you got Addams Family. 22. Then you got all kinds of stuff out there that just went just nuts back in the day. And here's the thing. Okay, so you guys are in the industry. If we were to rewind the clock two years, right, you were working on Guns N' Roses, I'm willing to bet at the time, right? And you were helping on that game. Obviously, the pandemic has changed the world in ways. We're still going to read the whirlwind of some of this stuff, of how it's changed our lives. But could you guys have ever imagined how Guns N' Roses would have sold or how crazy this industry would have gotten in two years? This market completely exploded. I mean, one of the things that really kind of set it in stone for me was when Fox Business News came to interview me at JJP saying, well, we're looking for other industries that have flourished during the pandemic, and we visited a home theater company, and we visited a RV. A traveling site. Yeah. Yeah, and pinball machines. And we were on national news, and it was like, okay, well, yeah, we're an industry that has completely exploded during the pandemic because everyone can't travel. They don't have places to go, but they still have their vacation money, and they can't go out to restaurants, so they have that collecting interest in their bank account, and pinball has just blown up. What can I add to my home environment to make it more exciting and more entertaining? And there were more first-time buyers, I think, in this last year and a half than there ever was in pinball. Yeah, it's been crazy. It has been. It really has. I mean, we've sold out of everything that we've had in stock. And, you know, even with Guns N' Roses, when we first came out with Guns N' Roses and we showed it at the show up in Milwaukee, Yeah. When we opened up the market for it, I mean, it literally just exploded beyond anything that we could have ever, ever imagined for selling the CEs. I mean, one really was an hour and a half, two hours. And, I mean, we had no idea how far that could have gone. Oh, yeah. You know, but we had a limit of our number of games that we could have sold in the CE marketplace. We had, within two hours, we had orders of over 1,500 CEs. For a game that's $12,500. Because we're not talking a $50, you know. And we got, I mean, I got so much hate mail for not upping my order. Not upping the amount. And I'm just like, look, I'm $511. I'm the guy who designed it. I don't actually get on the line and make them. You guys are in control of that. And let's be honest. I mean, no, it didn't matter who you were. which company you worked for, no one could have expected how crazy this would have been, right? No. I mean, when you see the game, you know, I remember seeing it for the first time, and I was like, okay, dude, I had one on order. But, you know, it was just insane. So, I mean, it's just a crazy hobby. And honestly, you know, you bring up Fox News. My sister saw that, and she's like, oh, did you know they're coming out with the Guns N' Roses pinball game? And I'm like, ugh. Yeah. Anybody in pinball got their – Have you heard about this game? Right. My question is what do you think pirates would have done if it would have been a pandemic situation? Where would we have been? Imagine. Let me answer this question. I think that if pirates would have come out while we were manufacturing in Elk Grove where we are now instead of New Jersey I think it would have been a completely different story with pirates. My personal opinion our production line is working incredibly well at this point. You know, like everyone else, they're... Supply chain issues. Yeah. It's the world we live in. I know. It's brutal. You think about all of the situations you hear about with shortages in supply chain. Oh, we can't get wood. Oh, we can't get circuit boards. Oh, we can't get glass. Oh, we can't get plastic. Oh, every single one of those things gives it a pinball machine. I have ten shades of F right now. Right. It is. The crazy, we work, so I work for a construction company, and we do a lot of medical facilities. And to get, you know, supplies for that, it is just insanely hard right now. And, you know, don't forget there's some that we've bid out, you know, pre-insane pricing that, you know, kind of sucks. But, you know, it is what it is. I work in a medical facility, and we can't get supplies. So, I mean, you know, take that for whatever you want to take it as, but it's been scary. I sell manufacturing equipment, so it's insane. It's insane. But, yeah, I thought about that the other night as I laid my head on the pillow. I was like, boy, I wonder how many more Pirates would be in the world right now had that been released during the pandemic. Because, I mean, how many other, I don't want to say subpar, but I'm going to say subpar games have sold out in a heartbeat. Because we need something. I want to say that everybody wants to have, well, not subpar, but not Pirates level. And I mean, I watched Pirates. I watched when Pirates came out. I thought that game was phenomenal. I've been on record saying, this game is unbelievable. And then when they stopped the run, I was like, it just finally got exposed. And I yelled at him about it. I mean, we were in Texas, and I'm like, they're going to stop the run. And I literally called three friends, and I was like, fine. I knew some distributors that had some sitting on their floor. I'm like, buy those games right now because those games are phenomenal. Nobody's even played them yet. And before, everybody was holding back and, oh, the music and the this and the that, and it's not really got you. I'm like, this game is phenomenal. Now you've got games that are okay that are selling out in no time, selling huge numbers where if Pirates would have been out at that point in time where we would have been. Guns and Roses is an absolutely fantastic game. It is a masterpiece. I don't want to gush in front of the guy I feel like Dave's rubbing my ass I don't want to be that way I'm going to give it where it's due I've been vocal about it that game is phenomenal the first time I played it I was on different people's podcasts and different people's live streams saying this game is freaking insane and I said the same thing about Pirates and people finally by the time everybody realized how good it was because they actually played it, it was too late. The run stopped. That's the difference between you and I. I've gone on the record to say this before, and I think Eric and I have actually talked about this off stream and just kind of been chatting before. We played a pirate. They unboxed it. They set it up. We were the first two players, my husband and I were, and I hated it. Hated it. It was the freaking maelstrom. Really? and it would drain. So naturally we bought one. Sure. Because why would we not? And my child is still pissed at us because we got rid of pirates. I'm pissed at us because we got rid of pirates because that game was so good. You made a good profit on it, didn't you? Oh, my God. Yeah, but it's funny. You were knocking on the door with money. Like, take my money and I will take your game. That's right. BD was saying before he sold his pirates and he said, You'd be like, oh, man, I sold it for like $15,000. I was like, but you were like when you sold it, I sold it for $15,000. And now, oh, man. What was the last auction? Yeah, the one in Banning. Right. The gavel price was $32,000. And then a 25% premium. And Eric gets a cut of that, right? I should. I mean, I've been waiting. Are they at least like sending you a beer? Right. So, Eric, you said you would sell yours if it ever hit $40,000, right? I've made the offer that if someone gives me $100,000, they can have CE-001 of both of my games. Nice. Hey, that's your kid's college one right there. Hey, if I had one of those, I would actually get one right now. It's out there. But you know what, though? All right, so I don't want to live too far in the past, right? Because, listen, both great games. I mean, everything that you guys have had, everything that you guys have released, I've owned at some point. You know, all good stuff. How do you guys feel, without divulging anything, because we don't want to get nobody in trouble and get, you know, banned or anything like that, but how are you guys feeling about the future? That's a very general statement looking for general answers without. Well, generically, well, J.J. Peach has hired a couple of new designers. Well, one's a very old designer that's got quite a bit of history. No, he's a geezer like me. He's even more of a geezer than me. And right now he's walking around outside. That's okay. That's okay. Divulging secrets, too, by the way. Steve. No, he's not. He's not. I'm kidding. And we just hired a brand-new young gun that developed his own game, and we moved him into Chicago area. And, you know, it's really exciting to see new people, new young blood coming into the game development. And so, you know, it sounds like a corporate line, but we are excited about it. Right. Because the new ideas, the new theory behind what he wants to do, from what he's done looks really, really promising for upcoming pinball games of what we're looking at for IP. And interestingly enough in my world, weird world, I actually bought the back for my Gottlieb Jacks Open from him. Oh, really? And he just happened to be in town, and he stopped by my shop, and I'm like, hey, what's up, man? And he's like, yeah, because he was supposed to come for Expo. Thanks, Rod. I bought the back, you know, and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm visiting a friend in Schaumburg. I'm like, who are you hanging out with in Schaumburg? Like, what is it? He's like, I'm in Schaumburg. I like his answer. So that guy is like, that is the guy you want to give the nuclear codes to because he would not give up anything. And I was just like, yeah, well, you know, I'm thinking about maybe showing my game to a couple guys. And the best, the funniest part is, is I was like, hey, you might want to talk to like American because those guys are like, They're doing the builds for other people, and he's just like, well, I'm in Schaumburg. He was kind of looking at me like, all right, man, cool. Thanks for the back. Yeah, they got the back of my Gottlieb Wedget. He's got his game in his office right now, so it's available in our office to play, too. Nice. Actually, I think it's represented at Expo this weekend. So we want to go and play Mark Seidens' very first game. Nice. Sonic, right? No, Mark did Metroid. Metroid, sorry. Right. So if you want to play Mark's game, before he has started at JJP, the game that I followed for about a year, I followed Mark's progress, and I gave him a call. I said, Mark, I like what you do. You should come do it here. You should come do it here with me, and we can make some kick-ass games together. Well, I did listen to the podcast that him and Ken did talking about the story. Yeah. You know, and him saying, oh, it was a long month, you know. You know, I can just imagine him being like. Look, I wasn't trying to let him hang, you know, but it's like I got to... I made the initial call, and then I said, hey, Pat, I think this guy's got what it takes to design games. And Pat then called in and talked to him, and then we went to upper management and ownership of the company and said, look, I personally don't want to design every game for J.J.P. until the end of time. You know, Pat is designing games. I don't know how long Pat wants to design games. I didn't know Steve was going to be joining us at the time when I was reaching out to Mark, and I really wanted to have another young guy in there to come and make some fun games. And that was something Bill and I had talked about, too, is even with Steve joining, how long is Steve going to be designing games along with Pat? So then you are designing games until the end of time after a certain date. But having Steve and having Pat and having guys that I can bounce ideas off of and guys who've been doing this as long as I've been alive, It's just awesome. It's an awesome environment to be able to work with the two most legendary game designers of all time. That is so cool because, I mean, if you look at like, if you think about it in sports, you look at like a depth chart. So you've got Pat. Now you've got Steve. Yep. You've got Eric. And now you've got this new guy. Yep. And it's just, and then what? Right. Well, then we start looking at the future. If anything starts to fall out or people decide that they don't want to do this anymore, then we start looking at the future and looking for different types of prospects also. But again, it's going to be, we hope, young blood and bringing stuff new to the board. And there has been, you obviously, and then there's been a couple other, Scott designed a couple of games and you got Keith threw his hat in. I mean, the future definitely looks promising as far as pinball design goes. But, yeah, I agree with you. We need to keep making sure that it propels that same direction. And our software guys are phenomenal, I've got to tell you. They just love what they do. And the difference between just going to work to do something and loving what you do is completely different. When you look at a guy like Joe Katz, right, who released Wonka and then on his own time released Wonka 2.0, right? And then he had it in his house and he was actually making this one better. How many times did you ask me, should I do it? Is the code worth it? Well, listen. How many conversations, Bill? Probably a few. But no, because I, all right, so I know you have one machine, right? Okay. I just bought prototype 007 of GNR. Nice. You lucky dog. For me, I don't like it. You've owned probably 30 machines plus, right? Okay. How do you feel when you buy another game back? You're always like, do I really need this game back, right? Like, I've had it. We've had our romance. We've had our weekend fling, whatever you want to call it. Now it's gone. Then suddenly, oh, you know, suddenly she did her hair differently, and she's cool. You know, we're going to revisit this, right? We have matured back into it. I forget. I miss the way I looked at her. Exactly, you know. It's like, you know, listen, when I sold mine, I didn't really want to sell it, but, you know, I had to do it to propel into another game. and, you know, that's why, you know, we revisited it and moved forward. Joe Katz is my favorite right now. I'm just going to put that out there. That code is so good. I love you guys. I do, but Joe Katz is just. Joe did that work. Joe is a wonderful guy, too. He's passionate about, like, there was not money in the budget for Joe to keep working on Wonka. But Joe cared so much about making that game the way he wanted everyone else to play it. So Joe is one of the best pinball players I know right Yeah he phenomenal He a fantastic tournament player He can whoop my ass you know probably three times out of five Unless I standing next to the game If I stand next to the game, everything drains on Joe. Nice. Got a little bang in the pocket. And Joe wanted to make it so that, you know, the final wizard mode on Wonka wasn't only... It was attainable. Right. It wasn't only accessible to people of his caliber and my caliber. and super good pinball players. He wanted everyone to be able to have that once-in-a-lifetime game where you see the final wizard mode. Yeah. And he made things a little bit easier, made things a little more accessible. And what I loved is he made it, but he didn't come out and say, you guys really suck, so I'm dumbing the game down for you. He came out, and I love the interview he did with Ken, because he was like, I am making this game because this is actually how it should have been represented. Well, he wanted to make it more approachable. This is the game that was supposed to be, like, you know, we've played it, and what, four people in the world have actually beat the Wizard of Oz? Right. And I'll be honest, I did not like Wonka when it first came out. Yeah? Oh, God, I love that game. I am trying to get it, so we have to put a second game in my office. Have to. Have to. Yeah, I know, right? It's like, yeah, you know? It's a hard life. So I currently... The kids don't need a bedroom? I mean, she's got a playroom. You haven't been to my house. It's like both ends underneath the pinball machine. It's a mining room. There's just more pins there. But I love the idea that I can turn them on and in a stressful day, if I get pissed off at work because I work at home, I will go slap some balls around. Like, I don't care. I will walk away. But we currently have Wizard of Oz in my office because that was my graduation present. And my other graduation present because I ended up with two degrees. So my second degree was TNA. And I'm like, well, we can do this. She didn't need the second degree. She did it for a pinball machine. I did. I'm a slut with my ball machine, you guys. I'm sorry. But, no, so I'm like, you know, TNA is my other game, but Wonka would look way better sitting next to that Wizard of Oz. I'm just saying. I have that problem where I have, like, the games in chronological order because otherwise it pisses me off. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, see, mine is like the death. That's really what they do. I'm sorry. They do. Well, I mean, everything else in our game lineup is very dark, so, like, that bright, brilliant blue and that bright yellow. And the glitter, yeah. Well, one thing I want to add, yeah, Joe, nicest guy, funny. You know, he just throws those zingers out from the few times I met him. And he likes ceramic unicorns. Absolutely. That's important stuff there. My daughter would love that. Yeah. You know, she's into unicorns. And then one other thing is literally, so my wife is the biggest critic of pinball. You don't need it. Why is it clogging up our basement? Yep. Well, it makes me happy. Sorry. Well, then I need it. Exactly, right? Yep. And even my wife likes playing Wonka, and she doesn't like any pinball. So, I mean, that just goes to the testament. It's a very family-friendly game. Yeah. It really is. And it's a Lawler shot, so it's a very easy shot to make most of the time. And the lanes are really well-placed, and, you know, Pat knows how to lay out a play field. He does. Well, and the funny part is my daughter loved Wizard of Oz, and now she loves Wonka, and my son still loves Gunther. He's two, by the way. He loves jukebox mode, so he'll sit there and slap the... He was doing it earlier. Oh, it's good times. Yes. No, it was, I think, when we got our friends into it, because, like, you know, we finally made friends, and we were like, yeah, come over and play pinball, and they're like, I'm sorry, you're going to wet me? No, no, come play pinball, and they're like, oh, dear God, we met more nerds. Yep. And I'm like, no, come play pinball. So we had, at the time, we only had Pirates and Longhorns. and what a hell of a lineup to get people into it because we realized very, very quickly there's five people playing. There's four players per game. We need a third pin. And now we're up to seven. We're up to seven, and then we have two more ordered. But that's neither here nor there. I don't have that many friends. Get more pins. Yeah. We only got more friends than people or pinball. I've got 15 names throughout my house. And Bill Webb comes by every once in a while when he needs some board work. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. But, you know, it's one of those things where, like, our friends literally went from picking on us to Friday night is pinball and pizza. And then they built a house, Nick and Steph. They built a house. So now Friday night is pinball and pizza. But we can do it at their house, too, because now they have some pins. Nice. And they have the next JJP, whatever it may be. Their name is on the list for it. Really? Very good. They were pissed at us. I'm on the list, too. Don't worry. It's all good. I'm a supporter. You guys are local, man. That Portillo's would go out of business if you weren't there. Right? Right? Right. I'm sorry. For everybody in chat, there's a Portillo's right down the street from Jersey Jack. Portillo's is a hot dog stand. It's Chicago-style food. They're Italian beef and hot dogs. Yeah, there's also a Potbelly's. They have really good sandwiches. They do. I didn't realize Potbelly was, oh, yeah, because that's like through Starbucks. Yeah. Well, dude, yeah, that is really a trifecta right there. Kill Bop, you need to offer them better beer. That's all I have to say. Because, like, we didn't really win them over with pinball. We won them over with beer, and now they just keep bringing beer to play pinball. All right, so you guys got to give me one minute. I want to check it. Yeah, there is better than beer. I'm something on the trailer real quick. I'll be right back. You just got to look around. There's actually a. What kind? Out of the fridge? There's actually a. Oh, yeah, yeah. Umulnati is not too far from there. And I would suggest trying Umulnati before Giordano's. Look me up. Find me. And I will tell you 15 better restaurants for pizza than Giordano's. I mean, for hamburgers? Oh, hummus or burgers? Just go to hummus. Oh, my gosh. Just go to hummus. There's a lot of good pizza. When we were looking for places to eat. I was working. I'm sorry. You came in. Hummus. I'm sorry we came in too. Bad apple. I'm sorry. I'm going to come down to Florida when you're working. And then we'll try to. That's fine because I actually work from home, so I'll just be like, no, I need a pinball break. But there's no good food in Florida, so it's okay. There's some really good steak houses in Schaumburg, too. Are there? There's a ton of good food. If anybody needs a good noodle house or some good ramen, just look me up. I'll help you out. Like the 49-cent packs with the little flavor package? There's actually one of the greatest ramen places. I actually know friends that drive in from Japanese friends that drive down from Chicago to go to Kitakata, which is on Rose Ellen Higgins in Schaumburg. If you two haven't been there, I would be more than happy to take you out for lunch sometime in the immediate future or not. I could make that happen. You guys just let me know. We know people that know people. I will take you guys out for lunch. And normally there's a pre-COVID there was a line out the door. Yeah, not so much. There's only three Kitakata ramen places. But anyhow, we'll talk about food. I will sidetrack us into food. We always talk about food on this. It doesn't matter. You've got to start talking about what are you drinking and what are you eating. Eric, is your can empty? My can is empty. You should get it refilled. I'm going to grab some food as well. Eric's going to check out. Eric, thank you so much. You're very welcome. Bill Webb, actually. I just want to also point out, who did the new light show? So the new light show was put on by Ted Estes. He spent some time looking at the way he could integrate not just the LED lights, but integrate it into the monitor as well. So we've got some really cool stuff. He started with the tweak of Wonka, where when you're in Wonkatania Mania, where he's doing like the weird poem, right, where you're like, this guy's crazy. And the screen is flashing different colors. Yes. He goes into monochromatic. And he used some of the same logic that he built into our core software in order to do the light show on GNR, where he's moving the spotlight back and forth. And have you ever seen it on a CE game where it lights up the whole room, right? Yeah, so you can see it. We actually have a game in pre-play at Pinball Expo, and we have a game in our booth. We have two very unique CEs. We have the Axel edition and the Slash edition. Oh, yeah. There might be extra CEs that I made from a couple of parts that I had sitting. Negative one, negative two. Can I just point out, too, you're like, yeah, so I was calling Flash, and he's like, I'm in Belgium, but what do you need? Thank you, Bill. Yeah, you know, it's fine. Flash is a very cool guy. He seems like he's from Belgium. He is so down to earth and easy to talk to. Everything I've read has said he's just like, okay, cool, let's do this. Right. You know, like, yeah. One of the biggest pinball nuts I've ever met. Guy who's just obsessed with pinball. Also happens to be one of the greatest guitar players in the world. But, like, I swear his first love is pinball. Like, he's just there with me every time. And you can see it in that game. Yeah. Well, you've got to pay the bills. Right. Pinball's not free. Right. All right. I'm going to step out and grab another beer. Absolutely. Thank you, Eric. Thank you, Eric. Hey, you know what? Do you want to send somebody else in? Send Ken in. Send Ken in, yeah. Macho. So, my other first love, Macho Pinball, is in the house. We are not doing shots of the Malort now. Oh, yeah. Shots of what? There will be a Malort around me. I'm kind of a vicious anti-Malort person. You don't like the rubber band? No, it's not rubber band. It is rubber band wrapped around a... Yeah, don't even bother. Isn't it like a... See, I've never tried it before, so I need it. No, don't. That's what I keep being told. Somebody will go, yeah. I remember Rorden from Australia. When he came in in 2019, and I said, Rorden, whatever you do, because he's an Aussie and he's Mr. Boy, and all that stuff. And I went, Rorden, and if you're on here right now, Rorden, I'm glad you finally got that source of rage stopper. I was like, whatever you do, do not drink. Do not drink Malort. So you got him to drink it by saying that? No, no, I did not. No, no. I said, no, I am so anti-Malort. Malort used to be like a gag shot back in the day like you slip somebody a shot of Malort to mess with them like ugh and I said just don't do it Morden don't do it oh no made him from Australia and then he did it and I remember it was Saturday morning cause I went to I brought Morden to the I brought Morden to the pinball life party and then I like I brought him to the pinball life party and then I brought him back to Expo and I just kind of he went on his way I went on my way. And then Saturday morning, I looked at Rorden, and he looked like he basically still had an old tire inner tube in his mouth. And he looked at me and he went, I should have taken your advice, mate. And I went, yeah, yeah, yeah, Rorden. Because there's two things I can tell you. All koala bears have chlamydia. And don't drink Malort. Is that koala bears? And with that, I'm going to walk out. All koala bears. Google it. Back in the day, we used to drink. I'm going to send him in, too, because he hasn't jumped on a mic yet. Yeah. We've got a couple more people we're going to be bringing on. Well, where I'm going, if he's standing there, I'll let him know. Okay. Yeah, go grab Ken and whatever. Yeah, go grab him. I'm going to go rally up some troops. I'm going to see if I can get Uncle Steve in here, see what we can get. Yeah, good old time. We're not going to be running this too late tonight because we've got food out there that we've got to eat and drinks to be had. You know, not too late. We don't want to overdo it the night before, you know. No, I still have about an hour drive home, too. It's a marathon. Sorry about that. Everybody does, just from the length of Beatty's driveway. I didn't mean to move out this far. I actually live eight minutes from JJP. Eight. And I grew up. Wow, you're an hour from here then. That's right. So I grew up nine minutes away from JJP. A couple blocks away. Yeah. And once again, my mind is blown that you guys measure everything in time versus distance. Right. Well, who cares about how far it is? If my car goes fast enough, I can reduce the time. This is true. Absolutely. Or my bike. Right? There you go. You know, my bike has got a digital throttle. It's either on or it's off. There you go. So it's a four-minute ride to work. I like it. Or an eight-minute ride to work. Oh, that's good times. No, but you know what, though? I mean, it's just, you know, it's great. So, like, Amanda lives in Florida. I don't know if you even caught that. Yeah, I live in Florida. Okay. I live almost in Georgia. It's close enough. What's up, George? Florida. Florida. And where I left beautiful 86 degrees in June. To come here. Just grab it. I would have been on a beach still. But the crazy part is. I can do that for Christmas, though. You can go to Chicago and get on the beach. Yeah, but I can't even. It's almost surfing Carl Weathers in Chicago now. Almost. Almost. It was almost surfing Carl Weathers when we were down by the, we went to the Shedd Aquarium and it was bad. It was dripping that day. But the crazy part is, you know, like you worked for Williams and, you know, lived a couple blocks from here and didn't even know. Everybody, you know, in the pinball community, it's such a small community, especially up here. I mean, you can't throw a rock without hitting somebody. Well, pinball came from here. No, I know. Every pinball came from here. So, you know, let's think about it. Until people like Deep Root. Well, then it really didn't make any pinball. No, nothing really came out of there, did it? Yeah. But here, but I mean. Should I say that word, Deep Root? I think we got it blocked on stream, so it won't come through. It just comes through the. But coin-op in general was very popular in Chicago. Like Milwaukee to Harley's. Right. And, you know, because, I mean, Data East. Yeah. You know, all kinds of stuff. So there's quite a history here. Well, you had Data East. You had Capcom. You had Valley. Williams. Who else am I missing? Gottlieb. I mean, Gottlieb was huge. Everybody. Everybody. And everybody that was in that industry is still in this industry. Almost they're dead. Yeah. But I mean, when you enjoy your job, it's not work anymore. No. And you get to do, you may be. It's incredibly creative. So we have a lot of fun with what we do. It's work. Make no mistake about it. Oh, no, it's going to be. But it's, you know, when you can see your ideas come to fruition and see people enjoying what they're doing, you know, that's a validation. and, you know, we all live for validation at some point in our lives. Absolutely. And when we struggle through these things for a year and a half and – Look here, Guns N' Roses. You know, it's amazing. It's amazing to see people go to the shows or go to the bars or go to whatever pinball hall you're going to these days or like even in here. I mean, this is just amazing. So let me ask you this question, okay, while we're in between things. So Guns N' Roses is a great game to me, right? Love the game, you know, was a buyer on day one. When you actually seen that with artwork and some of the codes start developing and how that came along, did you stand back and were you yourself just taken away? Oh, yeah, absolutely. When Eric first got his first shots of artwork, they weren't even on wood. They were just on clear plastic. Yeah. And the artwork was just phenomenal. Even looking at the development of the artwork, the sketches, and then partial coloration and then more coloration and changes and just watching that full progression. I mean, the artist is unbelievable. Yeah. Right? So, you know, and even we had a couple of artists that were involved in play field and cabinet art and Mark did the SE play field, or not the play field, but the SE artwork for the cabinet. And he's in-house. You know, and it's just the whole step-through process from Whitewood, getting to be able to shoot the ball and just play with it a little bit, and then we started getting real code in it and starting to get real. Then you realized you had something. No, we knew we had something. You know, from day one when we were talking about GNR, just because GNR has such an incredible fan base, we thought we had something with that license. Oh, yeah. And it turned out. Yeah, it really has. It's turned out very well for us. So we're going to introduce somebody that you might know on stream, Ken Cromwell. Hey, what's going on? Brother, it's been... Hey, Peter. I haven't seen you for a few hours. Yeah. I haven't seen you for a while. Well, dude, it's been... It's good to see you, man. It's been a long time since we've been on a mic together, man. This is great. This is like home. I saw somebody threw out the Malort reference. Oh, yeah. That's when you walked out of the garage. Which was outstanding. Which is perfect timing. Exactly. Exactly. But, uh... Hello. I don't see any Malort on that table over there. Oh, believe me. It's here. The bottle's outside. It's here. Thanks to the grill. And, Chad, we will not be maintaining any Malort shots tonight. At least I'm not. Maybe. Maybe. It's a rough night, Bill, the Malort shots. Well, the problem is, so if we went hard tonight... Yeah. Right. Dude, the next three days for you are going to suck. Oh, yeah. No. I'm so... Hangovers take four days. I'm on my best behavior here, so... If you quit drinking. Oh, yeah. Well, I've got to do that. No, it's a pinball show, man. You're just, you know. I've got to go to work in the morning. Well, are you going to work or are you going to the show? I go to work in the morning. I'll be in the office in the morning. But are you going to go to the show, too? Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll be in the office at probably 5.30 in the morning. I believe that. I might have talked to you at about 6 o'clock in the morning one day. Peter at work is my wake-up call because we use telegram. And literally between 5 and 5.30 every single day, I get the message that the building is open, and it's because this guy's there opening the building. Thank you. No problem. I appreciate it. Duncan. If he doesn't go to work, I'm not going to work because I'm not waking up. Well, he turns the heat on. Yeah, exactly, exactly. There's times Duncan beats me. Duncan's been beating me in a lot lately. He rides copper or his two-stroke cycle in because he beats traffic. Sure, sure. That's crazy. Yeah, I've seen that bike when I was there recently. But thank you for making it up, brother. Dude, it's been a long time. Thank you for having me. It's been a long time. I miss hanging out with you guys in this kind of fashion, but it's fun. It's absolutely fun. This is reminiscent of like two years ago. Got to get the rust off. Yeah. But I won't hog the mic, so I'll be here for five minutes. I'll get off. That's fine, man. Are you excited to be here? Are you excited for Expo? I'm just that. I'm excited to be here. I'm always excited for Expo. Expo is our hometown. Expo, you know, coming out of, you know, with Jersey Jack now, moving from New Jersey, going in Chicago, being able to support that from an enthusiast standpoint, but then representing the industry, it's huge. It's unbelievable. Dude, we're two years later from the last Expo, right? Yep. And last Expo had its own challenges for myself, so I couldn't be as involved as I wanted to be. Well, because you had Baby Bill. I had Baby Bill. And then we had Pandemic, so we had the virtual Expo. And you met him a couple weeks later when I had him on this table. You met him, he was a month old and sleeping on the table. Well, that was a whole story that we talked about, I think, on Special Inland. We did. It was good times, man. Or was it the... I forget. It was a special night. Was it? Yeah. I remember that podcast. Yeah. But more exciting, you've got a new podcast I've been listening to, a little free play pinball podcast with Amanda Hamilton and Bill Webb. So how is it going on, moving on in the podcast world and just kind of doing something different? So you were real great at editing. In the last podcast that we did, somebody might have missed an F-bomb that had flung. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. She's like, well, actually, I listened to it, and I'm like, dude, you didn't. I text her. I'm like, hey, you missed the nut bomb that I kind of threw out there. And she's like, my bad. No, that's okay. Oops. Yeah. I do this sometimes. I do this sometimes. It keeps it real. It does. You know, it does. Yeah, but great times. Amanda, do you want to keep doing the podcast or should we stop it now? Oh, God. With you, I guess we'll keep doing it. There you go. It's already settled. I guess. I completely agree. You must be special. Not really. I'm a zombie dog. I miss talking to these people in chat. Dude, there's so many names in chat that are on. It's crazy. Is that paid sign guy? I remember at one point I was like, is that Padres in guy? Remember going through the Twitch names trying to remember who they were? I always thought it was Pasadena guy because my dyslexia would throw that in the wrong spot. Exactly. But, dude, this is great times, though. Yeah, for sure. Studio B. It's Studio B? Studio B. We got food. We got all sorts of fun. Michael, what's up? What's up, kid? Hey, I want to wish you a happy birthday, man. Oh, yeah, thank you. Happy birthday. Is it your birthday? It's his birthday. Well, happy birthday. He's 25 again. Yeah. I never got past the world. It's outstanding. It's good to meet you guys because we've spoken for years. So many times. I missed video chat from last summer, too. Yeah, right. That was how we got through the pandemic was video chat before you started going back in the office and things started going crazy again. And I still can't believe you went and pulled the stinking go-kart down off the ceiling. Bill's got memories all over the place. Oh, it was like 200 bucks. Hung in places. Yeah, we had some money going. So, my go-kart from when I was a kid. Peter, you're missing, like, a lot of context. I had my go-kart from when I was a kid, and it's hanging from the ceiling of my garage, right? Because, you know, it's mine, and the kids are lucky. And you want to keep it no matter what. Exactly, you know. Just like, hey, I just got a pay phone. It's mine. It's mine. Jamie really enjoyed a big go-kart being suspended above the door. Oh, she was pissed. It was like completely safe. Nothing to see there. That was fine. Oh, she was pissed. She was like, this is going to fall on me. And I'm like, dude, you're fine. You know, it's three-eighths rod. No problem. But, yeah, no, I did not pull it down. But, yeah, I still had that hanging from my ceiling. But, yeah, it was a good time, so, you know. So what's that with flipping out? Like, you guys are rocking it out still every Monday? We're still trying to do every Monday. We didn't do this because we knew this was going to be a hell of a night. Part of the Pinball Network and sponsored by Flip N Out Pinball. It's huge. Zach and Nicole are floating around here, so we're going to get them on at some point. I did see Zach, and I did see Nicole. So, Nicole, I haven't seen Zach yet. So, you guys have never been to Expo. Peter, have you ever been to Expo? Oh, yeah. Okay, all right. Ken, you've been there. I have. I've been to Expo. So, do you feel the excitement because we've had such a long delay? I think without a doubt, right? Absolutely. It's just a matter of getting out and seeing everybody back in the industry again. Yeah. You know, for me, I'm seeing a lot of my old friends that go way, way back and just seeing a lot of new people coming into our booth and seeing what else is new out there. I mean, I can see what's new, you know, because, you know, there's a Mando in here. Yeah. And I know the guys that worked on that. And, you know, because it's all friendly rivalry and they're a block away from us. And you guys give each other handshakes at Portillo's. It's all good. You know, I hang out with some of the guys from Stern. You know, they're old friends. It's a small, you throw a rock in Elk Grove and you're probably going to hit somebody in pinball, it feels like. It's absolutely right. And, you know, there's room for all of us. Yeah. And everybody should get a piece of that pie. Oh, yeah. Because nobody likes one game. You know, Eric designs a game a way, or Keith Elwin designs a game a certain way, or Pat designs a game a certain way, or Steve designs a game a certain way. The ball travels really fast in this game, or it's very controllable in this game, or it's very deep like pirates, and you've got a gazillion different players in it. And you can plunder. And you can plunder, yes. and what Kyle Boston wants to know if you guys or we ever TP each other's buildings no I was going to ask that yes so there's multiple 12 year olds in here that both have birthdays there's a fine line between like happy birthday to my mafia cordial corporate friendship and TPing right well you guys could buy the cheapest drone on Amazon and literally fly it and land it in their parking lot with a frisbee and play catch that way if you wanted to well we could yeah we've also joked about you know well I shouldn't say no hang on let me find out That's an after-hours conversation. And, Ken, are you excited to go to this expo with the new title that you have? Well, it's not new now, but this is your first expo. I'm going to experience expo differently. There's no doubt about it. I think a part of it is I kind of like being able to go into an expo and just do what I want to do. But, I mean, to have responsibilities at an expo is fine with me. Yeah, I'm totally looking forward to it. Well, I look forward to hearing the feedback on that. If you guys are okay, at some point we'd like to have you guys on. I'll be back here next year and be like, Expo sucks, man. Like, I don't know. Oh! No. No. But I will say that we already, so spoiler alert, Freeplay Pinball does have plans already to have Ken on because we also have a mutual love for the Supernatural. Oh. Oh. So we have a kind of a scary tale. 100% Yeah. Not high pinball related, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've had a conversation. And it was the beginning of Halloween, right? So, literally, there was a point in my life where for years I lived in a haunted house. Hang on, you guys. Hang on. What the hell? Somebody calling you? Yeah. Just a second. I've got to figure out how to get into that. That's the hook. It's like, hey, get out of there. How do I get into that, though? It's actually if you go into Google. It's the police. Call from. Watch your pitfalls. What the hell? We've been trying to get a hold of you for insurance. Yeah, we're calling a bunch of cars warranty from Macho. Your pinball warranty. I'm going to call her voicemail. Goodbye. Oh, Macho. I don't like Macho calling. Okay, that didn't work. That's all right. Yeah, but going back to that, it would be fun to talk some paranormal and pinball. Two of my favorite things to talk about. Absolutely, dude. I'm still waiting for a... So maybe you ought to lay out a paranormal pinball game. Yeah, that would be pretty nice, right? That wouldn't be bad. How about it? Here we go again. Man, are they persistent. Macho, what's up, sexy? Send a voicemail. Press 2. Why is it doing that? You have to accept the call. Press 2. Voicemail. Press 2. Okay. I sent the caller a voicemail. No. Ah, send him the voicemail. Sorry, Macho. I don't know what I'm doing. That's all right. I think it might be click one to accept or two to send a voicemail. Poor Macho. Is this my YouTube video on here? No, Ken is a guest. Ken does not operate the computer. Ken might still be on the computer, though. I've done that, too. I think Ken might appreciate that my computer is working. You notice what I don't have in my hand tonight? Okay, train one more time. Call from. I said Macho, piss off. Where is that? You said test one. Test one. All right. Macho. Are you there? Did we get him? Who is this? Who is this? Macho! I'm flipping now. Macho, you've got to speak up. Was that Ken Cromwell calling my phone? Hey, Macho! What's up, Macho? How are you, buddy? Call me the Macho Phone. The Macho Phone. We put up the Macho Signal. Hey, look. I've got a special message. Are you ready for this? We're ready, Macho. It's just a little bit like, like, where's your birthday today, brother? It is today. Yeah, it's your birthday, you. You're going to get lucky tonight, baby, yeah. Macho, are you putting out for him? Because I'm not. Whoa. Don't ask, don't tell. Don't ask, don't tell. I got to go, guys. I'll be back. Oh. I just want to say a big macho bravo on your 50th birthday, brother. I hope you have a great day. It's a great day. You're going to play some pinball. And I hope you can watch the kids. We'll find out. Ladies and gentlemen, the receivers. Macho. All right, I've got to go. I've got to go. Hold on. Hold on. I've got to go now. I love you. Bye. Bye, macho. Bye, Macho. Oh, look who's sitting down at the mic. Oh, boy. From one legend to another. I love it. Mr. Steve Ritchie's joining us. The previous person who had these headphones on has a tiny head. Tiny head. That's not true at all. All right, so what are we up to tonight? We hear there's some pinball in town. Yes. We came all the way from Florida just to look at the posters. Hey, Steve, we hear that you have a new job. I am enjoying my job. Is that what you said? I said we understand you have a new job. I do have a new job. I'm at Jersey Jack Pinball and enjoying the hell out of it. How about that? It's a new world, isn't it? Yeah, here's the word, okay? Freedom! That's the word. So that is the word. What was it? Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. That's right. Mel Gibson laying on his back. Never mind. Yeah. That's a bad scene. That makes me cry almost. Are you looking forward to Expo after a long break from Expo? Definitely. I mean, two years gone, I'm going to have fun. Yeah, I know. I know you are. I'm going to attack people. I will intimidate them. Will you be wearing your King of Pinball jacket? Probably not. I'm going to be wearing a Jersey Jack shirt. I hope. Yes, you are. Did they come in? If Ken ever gives them to us. I will be picking those up tomorrow morning. Oh, okay. Great. That's terrific. Yes. Fresh embroidery for you. Right. I'll be wearing a big watch. I like it. That is the big watch. That is the big watch. Big watches are important. No, they're not. They're not. I just like them. There's a joke in there somewhere. Oh, yeah. No, talk to him. He's the one who... Big watch, little... Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's such a pause. Pause for station identification. I'm flipping out streaming. Here's the facts, folks. Ten and a half. Ten and a half? Yeah, but that just means you have big spots. All right, guys. Well, thank you. That was fun. I like this. I could live with headphones. Do what? It's actually, I hear everybody very well, which is awesome. Awesome. Good news. We are so glad you're happy. Happy designer. Happy layout. We're looking forward to the next game. So am I. I'm working hard on it. You know, it's like I... It's going to be Steve Unleashed. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. It's a little scary because I'm used to having somebody say, Oh, you can't afford that. We can't afford that. Now let's think out of the box. Make something cool. Thinks out of the box. Yeah. things out of the box occasionally. I could not stand making Led Zeppelin without Stairway to Heaven. Yeah. Yeah. I am a huge Zeppelin fan, so I can appreciate that sentiment very much. I had this nice design for a stairway, and it was cool. And I wasn't allowed to do it. Because if you would have made it go to heaven, it would have come outside of the glass. Maybe. This is probably true. It's going to go onto the top box. Okay, I'm trying to picture that. Beach ball! Try to transition out of that a little bit. Maybe we could have done a 3D pinball game like Python did, and you can stairway it up to the level. 3D pinball machines, yeah. Anyway, I'm having fun. One thing that I did not know about Jersey Jack Pinball is that it's different from Stern in that every single person wants the company to succeed together. It's a very interesting thing. Well, the only way you do succeed as a company is if your individual succeeds. So it does make sense. And the only way you're going to succeed in this environment is by creating the best. Well, we want people's egos to come out. but we don't want that to drive what we do. We want it to be a creative environment where everybody gets a look at what's going on and everybody enjoys what's going on and everybody gets an opinion that's in development. And, you know, it works out really, really well. I mean, it's not like designed by committee because the game designers like Steve or like Eric or Pat and all of them... Well, I mean, I have developed Guns N' Roses, but... I didn't say your name I said Eric Eric was over there a second ago but you know wow wow that was rude another thing that I really like about working at Jersey Jack is well I've always done this but here it's like like I went into Pete's office today and asked him for advice things that I don't know about, the resources are there, and I like that. They were at Stern also, but I want people to know what I'm doing at the company, and I want to hear what they have to say, and I also have to become familiar with how we did things. Right now I'm going to say how they do things, because I don't know them all, but now it's how we do things. It is we. It is we. We're part of the family. A lot of times you'll come into my office and ask me if I'd like to get some Mexican food. Yeah. And for me to be involved in that discussion is always very, you know, it's a very touching thing for me. So thank you for that. We don't think of, right? You weren't thinking of Mexican food at that moment. And it's not even Taco Bell. It's like authentic Mexican food. No, no, no. It's impressive. Viva Zapata. Yes. That really enforces teamwork. It is. It's amazing. So, thank you. I'm sweating. I've also brought you into my office and showed you my game. Yes. Why? Because you're open to feedback. That's right. Right. I'm definitely open to feedback. Even me. Even you. Again, we love a team environment. You're the guy who is going to communicate these games. You're the guy who is going to help promote them. So, you want to believe what you're promoting is good, so it makes sense. I think a lot of us are on the same page on what we all expect a pinball machine to do for the enthusiast, for the buyer. It's to create magic. For sure. And you guys create magic. That's true with everyone except programmers. These people are obtuse. No, they're from, like, planets that we don't even know about. I still think we need to make Pluto a planet again. Just because somebody said it wasn't a planet doesn't mean it's not a planet. It's still a planet. Planet for We Don't Know About. That's right. That's right. Love it. Love it. We really enjoy making games. I think that's an honor. It really shows. It does. You've got to talk into this part for people to hear you. It really shows. I like that. That's amazing. Is this awkward? I don't know. It's a little awkward. These mics are turned up. I'm so used to just eating the microphone. And if I get close, it's like I'm clipping. I feel like there should be a giant boom in front of you. I can talk back here. I've never had this business. Too far away or just far away? No, you found the right person. I need the meter. No. I'm not getting the meter. No, you're right. I don't need the meter. Yeah, you're good. No, I love that they added you in your perspective, and there's so much great yet very differing talent now for JJP that I can't wait to see what you guys do. I would love to be a fly on the wall in development of games now to hear, well, what if you did this? Well, what if we did this? Just coming from the brilliant minds that are involved in that office now. I think it's so cool. You know what's fun? There are so many different personalities that are in the building, and then when you came in, it was another personality. And a lot of times when you have personalities that aren't the same, you just anticipate them not meshing, and you expect. You do. You almost expect the egos to Slash. For sure. Instead of inspire. It's not like that. And I love that it inspires. It's a fun environment. I will do my extra stuff. Right. So it's good. Good. It's a good mix of people there. Make it urgent. I love it. I love it. And Zombie Dog, I'm not going to lie, Mike and I went to Costco today to try and find a cat. We did. To put in front of Ken. Nice. There was no cat. But they had a snow blower. Yeah. They had a snow blower. That's not even close to being a cat. No. I don't know how that can even relate. Yeah. Well, I was going to put some ears on. Yeah. But no. It's reaching. It's reaching. I know. I think a lot of the viewers are very excited. I know a lot of people that I've talked to. It's a long story, Steve. Yeah. I don't think you really want to know. There was a pandemic shopping list that Ken was given. and he did not come home with a pandemic shopping list, but he came home with a case of beer and a yard statue. That's a really good memory, Amanda. Of a cat. Well, the case of beer is pandemic shopping. A statue of a cat. A statue of a cat. I want a real cat. I'm tired of waiting. So our buddy, FD Zombie Dog, has been a fan of the cat. We named him Bill at one point. Because Bill had just had Billy. Yep, yep. So there's a history behind that. It's not as interesting unless you went through it initially. Okay. We'll spare you the rest of that story. Well, when you joined JJP. Oh, please spare me, too. Yeah, when you joined JJP, it became Ken the Cat. Oh, did it? It did. Okay, I'm not aware of that. I think it died. Ken the what? Ken the Cat. Ken the Cat. Ken's a what? He was a cat. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm lost. Another word. All right. Yeah, but no, we're all looking forward to games. Hey! Here, come here. I'm jumping off. I didn't hear you. No, you didn't hear me. I didn't hear you. I'm going to jump out. I'm going to jump out, too. So everybody have a great evening, and we'll see you next fall. Yes. For sure. Thanks for having me. It's a good time. And it's good to finally meet you guys in person. Face to face. Yeah, for sure. I'm still trying to figure out who the hell was thinking of me being in this chair was a good idea. That's a good spot to be in. That was good. I want to tell you that I don't know either one of you's names, but it was fun. Yes. I talk to you all. earlier, so. We did talk. Yes. I'm going to say goodnight and thank you for having me. You're leaving too? Uh-oh. Do I get some Mexican food? That's a yes. Alright. Good times. Lower. Lower. Lower. Bravo. Bravo. Thank you guys. Thanks guys. Alright. You guys, we have to behave now. We have a moderator in the house. Really? Yeah. He did. Don't leave me, Ken. He left you. Who is this guy? All right, so now we have some other guys that I think... You're Greg Bone, right? I'm trying to orient myself. It's Greg Bone. We have Greg Bone in the house. Oh, wait. Oh, no. Not her. Oh, no. She was on earlier. She is trouble. What's up, Zach? Come on in. How's it going? Mr. Many. The Mr. and Mrs. here. It's pretty cool, you guys. I'm so formal. There's a lot of reverb in here. There's a little, but it's all right. So, chat apparently likes this whole Expo pregame thing. It's pretty fantastic. It's kind of cool. It is pretty fantastic. You made it? I made it. Do you guys see the sign out there? I sent you pictures of it, sir. How cool is that? They were like, do you think that Zach's going to be upset we put the sign out? And we're like, well, shit, put it up anyway. I would never get upset about something like that. Where's my camera A at? Lights, okay. Which one's the live monitor? They all are live. Yeah, I mean, live-ish. Yeah, these are a couple seconds delayed. There you go. It's fine. We'll figure this out. You guys, I don't know why they stuck me right here. I feel like I'm at church. I'm sharing the Bible over here. Yes. No point. It's horrible. You can move it. Today's readings from Corinthians, Volume 4. You're way too good at that. I will spontaneously combust. So I'm going to just head off. What's up, Calabasa? So Zach, good trip? Alan, what's up? So far, so good. Yeah. I didn't have the drive that they had. No, it was fun. I mean, I didn't drive. Jordan drove the entire way. The whole way? Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I drive like an elderly woman. So Jordan, like. Do you drive with your blinkers on? Hazard-related time? Go around. Go around. Well, I'm not sure if you've driven in Texas recently, but we all drive 10 under in the fast lane. And you go really fast, but in the slow lane. Oh, do you guys? And nobody uses their blinkers. And that's how I learned how to drive. So that's Florida. My favorite is having lived in California for years and getting used to the way people drive out there. Light Mania. Jordan is from California. There are a thousand times worse here. because here they'll drive you two inches from your bumper, which is insane, and it's all over the Midwest. And the streets are not properly lined. Oh, yeah, we found that out. I would just like to point out the streets are not properly lined out here. And as you learned coming out here, not very well lit. No. Jill Fox, thank you. And the street names, those are suggestions. You don't need to know what street you're turning on and off. No. So the reason why I didn't drive, so Jordan is from California. Yeah, so Jordan drives, to me, like an absolute maniac. Every time we get in the car, I'm 100% convinced I'm going to die. I also don't drive because I swear whatever car I'm in has magnets attached to the inside that just pulls other cars towards me. What about the trailers, the big trailers? I've never pulled a trailer, which is the other reason. No, I'm talking about the trailers beside you. Just kind of pull out. Everybody just, like, Zach, I'm not sure if we talked about how many car accidents I've been in. I've totaled, I have not personally totaled seven cars, but I have been at least seven car accidents where the car is being totaled. That's more than one hand. Let's be perfectly honest. Yeah, more than one hand of car accidents. You never totaled the car. It's your insurance agent who, thank you. Yeah. I love to sit there. The insurance. Wow. Thank you. The insurance totaled the car. When I was sitting at home, that's usually the point that I say, fucking jobber. God damn it. Fucking asshole. When did you come in here? Do you know how many times I get told to block you per stream? Yes. I mean, it's at least not. I can imagine. That's hilarious. Well, I have been banned from a very large streamer, so I'm very proud of that. Because you have goals in life and you live up to them, that's all that matters. Yes. What's everybody talking about in chat? What's everybody doing at home? I'm curious. I'm curious. I asked the question earlier, and I just want to know what your thoughts are. If you were in a Pinewood Derby in a pinball cabinet, which pinball cabinet would you choose to do Pinewood Derby in? Am I choosing based on style preference, based on durability? There is absolutely no guidance whatsoever. This is an idea that I had when we went through the American Pinball Tour earlier, and there were a bunch of Hot Wheels cabinets on casters, and I really wanted to just get into one and like right across the floor. And they told me no. I was going to say, I can't believe you asked. Probably insurance. And the fact that she's been in seven vehicles in total by her insurance. The reason we don't do anything ever, insurance. Always insurance. I don't know if I agree with that. I'm enjoying getting in there. You're saying high speed. High speed. Oh, high speed is valid. Zach, what do you think? For no reason. Dolly. I think I'd be in a dolly. So there was a dolly. There's no reason. We saw a dolly today. That's like a dolly. We did see a dolly today. Yeah. And it had, um. Say what? Yeah, anterium. Anterium. Anterium. Anterium. Right after you guys left, they dropped a dolly. Oh, God damn it. Yeah, they did. I think the right answer, though, is, the right answer is Banzai Run. Wow. Absolutely. Is that because you're looking at a Banzai Run? You've got like a hood. I like, I like that idea. How cool would that be? You know, like a first run. You can get a Banzai Run. I personally would choose like a first run Cactus Canyon. Something like that. Maybe, I mean, I know he's here, but maybe a Pirates of the Caribbean. I think that would be a really... That's what Eric said. Eric said Pirates of the Caribbean, yeah. It's spacious. What about this though? Instead of going Cactus Canyon, why not go brand new cabinet and go Cactus Canyon remake? Because they're going to be unlimitedly making those. I'm trolling based on the fact of rarity. It's called limited edition. Therefore, I'm looking to make people angry. I think they're making $300. No, $500. I feel like if you're going to really... I have no idea. If you're going to really troll, why not Raza? If you're really going to troll... Because here's the thing. Raza is just an imaginary concept that was never going to see the light of day from the beginning. What if there was someone here who streamed the Raza machine and who played it on the Internet? You guys were there. That was me. Wow. Yeah. I think I was trolling in that chat. It's okay. Everybody was trolling. Yeah, that was a good stream. That was a good stream. That was a really good stream. It still didn't convince me that the game was good, but it was a good stream. Yeah, well, it existed. It existed, yeah. We were the people who doubled onto that thing. When you make prototypes, they exist. Now, whether or not they get into commercial production. Yeah, but now we're the evidence-backed, really big evidence-backed. I don't know. Oh, they... God. I don't want to get too into detail because Zach knows I can rant about this thing. That's a jobber. Goddamn jobber. Who the fuck let him in here? Goddamn it. I personally think the right pinball machine is a bingo. A panic bingo. A bingo. Yeah, just a bingo. And I'd call it the creasel. The creasel. Where in the hell is Dennis Creasel at? Where is he? He's probably still singing to... You know what? He quit. I already messaged Dennis because I'm like a brother, and I was like, did you get in okay? And he never left. Oh, he did message me. How was he? How was he? Son of a bitch. Two hours later? What was that? Well, maybe he was driving. Simply a very creasal comment. Yes. Yes. Thanks, Dennis. Did he Uber it from the airport? Or did he walk? They drove. That's $1,000. Dennis seems like somebody who'd walk from O'Hare. No? very man of the people. I can see him walking. He might sprain his ankle again. He's the man of nature. Wearing his flannel, looking like the brawny man. Do you think he's got wool socks? Honking at deaf people's heads. Don't smack wool socks. Do you think if he brought his axe with him, because if you're a lumberjack, you've got to carry your axe. Otherwise you're not a lumberjack. Do you think that TSA was very upset when he said he wanted to bring it as his carry-on item? It's his emotional support. They don't ask for an ID at that place for Dennis Creasel. He just gives them the look. He said, yes, Mr. Dinden. You are more than welcome to come in. They're like, Mr. Creasel, may I see an ID? No. No. Exactly. You may not. Wait, wait, wait. No. You've got to do the hand thing. Oh, I love it. Craig Bobby's in chat. What's going on, Craig? Craig Bobby? Craig Bobby. Why is he not here? I mean, he's one of your correspondents. I was going to be here. He may be here, but you'll have to wait. It's my homemade hat. Craig, I made this hat. It's very soft and very warm. You crocheted that? I knitted it. Actually, I know where Craig Bobby is. He's in chat to have a cover because he's currently breaking into Stern to get all of the spoilers. Who's this? Craig Bobby. Or am I getting your correspondence? You know what? I'm getting correspondence. I'm proud of Craig Bobby because you can see him. He's kind of giddy because he has some, like, sources now. He's, like, built up some legit sources. I'm like, shit, Craig, I didn't know that. Okay. I'm going to verify that. We were discussing puppeteering earlier, and I'm used to looking at a monitor. So I'm looking for whatever the live one is. You have options. This one is throwing me off. This one is totally. This one's the actual screen. so it's whatever you're getting regurgitated which Lord knows if you're watching this you're definitely getting stuff regurgitated I feel bad for the listeners the hair's coming out I know my head is warm also I definitely got my hair done like two weeks ago and I'm really happy with it let's go back to a previous topic so Raza so after you played Raza did you find that you broke out in a rash did you have any did you have to visit a doctor get an ointment a shot, possibly a vaccination. Did you break into hives after playing that game? No, I did not. Oh, wow. You were okay with it, weren't you? Yeah, we were okay with it. It was one of those things where we played it. It was fun. I mean, honestly, I would have rather... So there were two different machines. They had us play one of them, and then there was... So there were two. There was the standard, and there was the fancy fucking one, and we... They wanted us to do the fancy fucking one. That was the model they were going to sell. Fancy fucking one. The same fancy fucking one. FFO. No, they've heard. FFO. FFO. FFO, the fancy fucking one. But we ended up, but what was funny is that the other machine was actually more tuned and played better than the one that we were streaming. And so. Fucking pros. Always playing good. Holding it together. I don't know. Like, I think that, I have no idea, but like, it looked cool. It was fun. Like, I enjoyed it. Is that Dr. Strange's subway? It's that turtle's glider. Yeah. It's always something. It was fun. It was a good time. Always something with them premium LEDs. It was a good time. But it's also like I've played a lot of other machines that definitely weren't done by the time that I played them. So I was like, yeah, I got things to tweak. But the way that they did their ordering process it was entirely unreal What the fact that you could just easily click and get in and find out who ordered Well I didn know about that I am implementing myself You're kind of a creeper on the Internet, aren't you, Jobber? Fucking Jobber. Goddamn Jobber. Who let him in? Who let this guy in? Who is running security right now? How did he even get here? Did he get an invite? I don't know. I was walking around the neighborhood. There was a top secret Internet list that was going back and forth. I think he had to. I did. But all things said and done, Steven Bowden is literally the nicest person in the world. Oh, no, I've met Steve. He was so excited, and it was like his baby. And that is his little kid that I wish got off the ground, and I feel the worst for him for the shitty situation he's got now. Maybe he still has code. Maybe he can take that code and take it to American people. I would say the likelihood of any of those things, any of the Nordman Whitewoods, Whitewoods, any of the things that supposedly were given to them. Sure. Since that company doesn't exist, and they don't, their assets are frozen, there's a reason why he's asking for. And please, people, you can donate today by giving 82.50 a month. That's all you need to do. Thanks to every one of you in chat right now. If you could go and give a donation today, just call 1-812-457-9711. Give them a call. Especially at 3 in the morning. Hey, that's my number. So I have to laugh too because my husband realized that was just your number. He thought that might have gone to you and Nicole. So when he texted you yesterday about, hey, I need this game. And by the way, what color panties are you wearing? I thought about it 20 minutes after. I was like, oh, shit. Is that also her number? I don't know. Oh, shit. Jack, one of your friends again. We know what color your panties are. They're white. And they're currently available. They're currently available at Flip N Out Pinball. They absolutely are. You can actually just buy Zach's panties. You can buy Zach's panties. We'll sell you his own personal panties. Clean, dirty, otherwise. Yeah. However you want. Just don't use a black light on them. Yeah, no black light. If I bring you a pair, how do you sign those? You just say, excuse me, John. I'll be gone for a little while. Don't mind me. It depends on how you were first. Come back three minutes later. Come back three minutes later. Here you go. It's super easy. It's practical. You wrap it around a piece of stiff wood, and then you just sign it. It's got to be stiff, though. It's got to be very stiff hardwood. Yeah. Oh, my. Would you use like a cherry wood or a... It's got the smell of like a cedar or something. Nice pine. Probably a redwood would probably be probably the best. You're not going to Lowe's. We are all about to get banned. Oh, hold it. Are we online? Yeah. You know what? Speaking of Steven Bowden. Oh, hey, look, it's Joel. I know, Joel. Joel. Also, Berto did say that he was in on a rouse and he thought it looked good. Yeah, dude. Like, if they had done their ordering differently, like, I could have gotten in on one. Unfortunately, I'm poor, and so, like, I don't get to buy everything that I want. I usually get Jordan to buy it. I'm sorry. Jordan does. And then he says that, and then you buy it. I know. Well, you know, it depends. There's, like, the Bank of Becca, which is just all of my savings that I've had my entire life that I get to dip into periodically, you know, whenever Jordan runs out of money. And he goes, hey, whenever Jordan runs out, before he gets paid, I'm at interim. So as long as, you know, I'm not in a horrific accident. Or I used to say whenever I would, as long as there's a car wreck and I have to buy another car, we'll be fine. Then I'm like, shit, there's a car wreck and I have to buy another car. Damn it. I love that you all's collections were just growing, growing. And then you guys, like in Step Brothers, look to each other and you're like, you want to move in together and have the ultimate collection? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they threw that. Can we have bump beds? And then we downsized, and by downsized, I mean we went from 17 to, like, 12. And then we're like, we're just going to make the garage really nice, and then we'll get more. Is it going to be this nice? No, they're in the kitchen. I've seen them. They are, yeah. In the kitchen. We have them in the – you've been to my house in Jordan South. It's very efficient. It is – we have a kitchen with – now we have four in the kitchen, technically, like, three and a half, because one of them is a sizzle. And then the other room. Oh, that was so much fucking fun. We then, and then in the front room, now we can fit five. We figured out how to fit five in the front room. You got rid of the bed for the cat? No, the bed for the cat fits right under Metallica. And so we added, we got a beautiful, oh my God, we got a beautiful home use only Metallica that literally showed up. The play field, not a dimple. That was silly. Does anybody know if the pinball pig will be making an appearance at Pinball X-Town? Whose pig is that? It's Kevin Pollack's, but it's not that Kevin Pollack. Joel. Yeah, it's a guy named Kevin Pollack. That's all I remember. Just another Kevin Pollack. Just another Kevin Pollack. Not the guy you love from Grumpy Old Men or the Marvelous Ms. Maisel. Yes. And, of course, the Kevin Pollack's chat show. That's right. Here on WTPN. We're going to be taking in donations here later on. Who fucking references the Amazon Prime sitcom? Who fucking Ms. Maisel? Ms. Maisel? The show's brilliant. I know. The show's genius. But I did it. Nobody watches it. I know. Marla Smith and Maisel is amazing. Yeah, it's genius. It's fantastic. IT's prime. IT's prime. It's cute. It's like, man, we want to be on Netflix. We're really trying. What's wrong with Coke? HBO now just like a watch it. HBO Max like Amazon. If I can move over. Well. Let me walk in here. Yeah, no kidding. Oh, and we're going to make every first run movie available. You want to know that Amazon is like eighth ranks on streaming? It's because it's the preferred choice of a Dennis Creasel. Zach, do you know that we are on a Amazon owned property right now? You know, I do love Amazon. In fact, if you guys have your Twitch Prime, please feel free to subscribe. And if you subscribe, all of the money goes directly to the streamers here. In the studio. So, ladies and gentlemen, can I interrupt? There was there. As somebody like chilling. What? Did you miss me? Like walking in? My bad. I love Amazon Prime because I always think to myself, oh, I would really like to go see a bucket of movies. And then I go to Amazon Prime and it's like they've got a bucket of movies and they just dump it out on the table. And sometimes I go, I really want to watch them with friends. You know what I do? I go on Twitch and I set up one of the many approved movies and we watched them together. It's like the Walmart bin, you know, where they got the dollar movies. And it's really just like a hundred of like, you know, some rock movie or whatever. But to get the good ones. Oh, you're digging. You gotta dig. Yeah, I dig. Like any good movie. You gotta dig. But anyways, real quick, I have to interrupt for a minute, if you don't mind, okay? Sorry, Chet. Sorry, Cable. Zach, thank you very much for making it out here. I know you had a heck of a trip getting out here, dude. Absolutely. Thank you for throwing this. Look at this. Absolutely. Shout out to Bill Webb and Steve Beattie and Courtney Bowman. What you guys don't see is Steve got us a bouncy castle. And one of my special moments in my life now is seeing Steve Ritchie jumping up and down in a bouncy castle. He had a special moment. We don't go on the bouncy house. But everybody, I want to say thank you for Zach hosting the channel and letting us be a part of it. And great times. I'm looking forward to an expo that's long-lasting. And, dude, just great times. and everybody that sits at the table happy birthday to you and honestly everybody in chat that's been watching this whole time really it's awesome that you guys have been here this long you've put up with us for an astronomically long time how long have y'all been live? we have been live currently two hours and 44 minutes alright all night let's go we're going to be here all night let me job her what that I can go immediately somebody invite him? I don't know how I got here. Hey, who else is going to put us into these smooth transitions like time and temperature on me? Tim's coming up here, and of course, traffic will be coming up. Out of our heads. You're the crazy part of it. We're going to have you record that shit. You're going to? Yeah. We're the worst. What do you mean it's the worst? Jobber? What? Dude, we're going to have him record some shit. Time and temperature. Time and temperature. Of course, the current temperature. Listen, dude, you sound like the guy on 780 Radio. What are you doing? It's 43 degrees. It's sunny. And that thermometer is lying to me. But please, what we're going to do here is we're going to download Banzai Buddy for all of Steve's computers here. Yes, let's give him a 20-year-old virus. No, no, no, no. Let's see. He sounds so good. Are we giving away shit or something? We're not giving away. We're giving away one thing and one thing only. Why can't we give something away? And that is flippinout.com. That's right, flippinout.com. Why not? I thought you guys advertised being given away. Do you want a goat t-shirt? Get one. Oh, I still have that? What? Wait a minute. I thought the trucker took that. Left out the door. Hey, I see a few things we can give away here. Who wants a Dracula? No. Anybody wants a Dracula? I will happily take a Dracula. In fact, we drove a trailer all the way up from Texas. How about a condo? You guys are out of your mind for that deal. How many people are in chat right now? All through the P3. We've got 58 quality viewers. We have 58 quality viewers. So here's what I want you to do. Each and every one of you out there right now, go reach into your mommy and daddy's wallets. If you see any pieces of paper with dead presidents on them, make sure you take those out and send them to Flip N Out Pinball, courtesy of... I don't remember your address. I don't remember. I've been to your house. I've been to your house. All payments made. You have been to my... What the fuck? I barely have been to my house. I've been in your house. I've met your dog. What? You just weren't there. Zach was entirely unaware that he wasn't in his house. Yeah, no, he was not home when he was there. It was the quality service from Flip N Out Pinball. Uh-oh. Sneaky sneak. Uh-oh. Am I being kicked out? We have somebody who needs to get in. Yeah, Joel, I don't know if the trailer will be full. I'm going to do this because I have to go use the little boy's room. Goodbye, everybody. All right. By the little boy's room, do you mean behind the shed? Yeah, most definitely. Okay. Actually, I was just going to use the corner. Oh, well, you know, there's a lot of electronics over there. Be careful. There are? Yeah. Hey, Steve. Hey, Jobber. I'm glad you're leaving. Uh-oh. We got a new victim. What's he doing? Is his shirt not the best? It's such a great shirt. Did you know that he has at least two? I'll have to get you another one. Okay. I'll get you another one. I mean, I do have to wash them. I do wash them. Yeah. Look at this guy. Hey, everybody. Don't you love his hat? I love his hat. Yeah, I know. It's a trademark. It's fine. It is. It is. All right, everybody. Don't panic. Don't panic. Anyway, like I was saying, who's this guy? I don't know. He's been in my house before. I know. Yeah. Hi, everybody. What's really scary is that you have both been in my house. Have we given away anything? We've been waiting for the man of honor, dude. Shit. Come on. Do we have anything to give away? What do you got? We've got... I got a beanie. We can give Beanie away. Steve Beanie? We got a meeting. We got a meeting. I'm struggling here. What time is it? It is almost time. We have a J.J.P. Guns N' Roses banner, baby. So how are we going to make this interesting, Zach? I want to make it really interesting. I don't know how to do it, though. They need to go get a pinball cabinet and see who can roll it down the hill fast enough. We need to have a soapbox free. I'm going to die on that hill, you guys. Let's see, we can't take colons. Colons? Colons. Oh, I thought you said colons, and I was like, what? You're taking organs now? We can't take colons, can we? No, not damn colons. No colons? What about kidneys? No. It ain't a liver or kidneys. I throw in my teeth, and I pop both of mine out. 220, 221. That's a throwback right there. Hey, I go deep. I cut deep. Dude, I heard more people say that to me. Oh, you're the liver, no kidney guy. I'm like, I tried to monetize that and make it into a t-shirt. I was going to run that by you. You should. And hate people. Hey, real quick, we will build you a pinball cabinet. Actually, I know of one that we can turn into a soapbox thing. Yeah, thank you. I'm being serious. Oh, I will 100% take it. It's an older Stern style so you can graphic it up. Wait, you have a pinball cabinet that's empty? I know a guy that makes them. Is it? Oh. Jordan, I swear to God. No. No. I need a spirit cabinet to put our JP home in. All right, you guys ready to get it? Is everybody in chat ready to earn a GNR banner for M.J. Oh, hang on. Let me join chat. We just had some JJP VIPs here. You want in? Hey, Steve, why don't you jump on the mic? If Steve's on the mic, he can take a phone call. Good. Unless you just keep taking it. All right. Sure. Let's do that. If someone can deal with Beck and I, yeah, sure. Oh, I'll be right. Let's go. Let's do it. Wait, what are we doing? I'm not sure yet. I don't know. Okay. Oh, kidneys? Correct. Oh, okay. Zach, what do you have in mind? I think we're going to give away a JJP GNR banner, and by doing so, we're going to take a phone call. The first call that you receive that correctly answers the question will win that brand-new, big-ass, you think Stern banners are big. JJP's like, we can go a little bigger. So they've got a big old banner. They can win. Continental United States. Everything else? I tried to send a t-shirt to Dr. John a couple weeks ago like $75 to send a t-shirt to Australia right now did you see on the note of Dr. John did you see his new venture that we drove past in Arkansas I don't believe I have the lingerie store Dr. John's lingerie store oh yes I drove past and I was like oh my god He's working his way. Why are people calling me now? Okay. Not that number, people. Do we have a number? I feel like there is a commercial or two where your number is very much a part of the commercial. Isn't it literally directly underneath? Does chat need to know the number? By heart? No. Okay. I don't want to talk. Here's what I'm going to do. contest just finding the number. You're getting all sorts of calls now. Oh my gosh. Good. It doesn't tell me any names. So Zach. Yes. Where am I? I will post the number. Oh, you get the number ready? Yeah, I will post the number in chat. Dial 459-2222. Get your Mr. Gaddy delivered. Yeah, that's a technical thing. That's a Texas red. I know. I'm like, it's probably Texas red. That's good. Hey, listen here in San Jose Falls. I've had enough of your shit. CNK, I do have 23 puddings with me. All right, we're going to give away a banner. BD's going to put a number on the screen. My phone continues to vibrate, not in a good way. Not in a good way, huh? You can get Zach's phone at Dr. John's Lingerie and Toy. And, okay, if you can answer this question and call in with the correct answer, you're going to win. Are you ready, Beady Man? Yep. Ladies and gentlemen, here is your question. In honor of our friend Mike's birthday, happy birthday. Thank you. In honor of Mike's birthday, what pinball machine did they most recently add mods to to complete the game? Call in now. Here's the number. Roll it in now. There it is. 630-394-4242 for the visually impaired. 630-394-4242. We will not deliver you pizza. No. No, we do not do that here. Hell, we might. No. Here's the thing. The pizza that you get is definitely one with pineapple and bacon. No. Yes, because it is amazing. Oh, here we go. Pineapple and pizza. Call from. You know who it is. Swipping off pin bones. This is everybody. Send a voicemail. Press two. Voicemail? Send two. No, don't press two. Press one. Send a voicemail. I thought you had this. I did. What is this? You're checking your voicemails? I think we got them. You're still here, right? This is awful. Google voices shit. Stop. Everybody shut up. Oh, my bad. And the answer to Zach's question. Anyway, I don't know what the question was, but the answer is Riverboat Gambler. It's never Riverboat Gambler in San Diego. Fuck off this call. It's in the cell. Okay, then it was Deadpool. Is it Deadpool? No. I'm trying to talk to you on the phone without you talking to my ear on the computer, but then I can't hear you on the phone, so I have to hear you on the computer. This is terrible. Did you put any thought into this at all? There's a minor thought. Minimal. Riverboat gambler. You get a win just for saying that. Thank you. Let's find a good bettor. So Deadpool is incorrect. Not it. Love you. Love you. Call back again. What is even the question? What's the question? Well, you missed the question. There was a question. You gave two incorrect answers. the question requires building an earth I didn't hear it because you were fucking mumbling I'm from Indiana there is no other way sir damn it's hostile in here get the dick out of your mouth this son of a bitch is going down love you bro peace out nice scholar oh he's hanging up on him whatever I got fans everywhere people hearts in chat I hope you guys feel awkward right now because that's what I'm going for. I don't know the answer. I know who called in. I know who called in. It was fun. I do, actually. Yeah. He's a friend. Are you sure? Yeah. Get my mafia out. Hey. Disqualified. Later. To send a voicemail, press 2. What is this? What is this? Send him to voicemail. I've got a pee. Can we give away your banner? Sorry, Alan. Wait. What's going on? You give your friends your own banners. Why is Google Voice so bad? I love that Alan's phone bad. We're going to push. We're going to push. Push green one now. Number one. The Topper King 18-8. Goran. Sorry. Goran. I'm deaf. What is that? Disqualified by default. Disqualified. No, sorry. And the correct answer is... I'm just going to guess Mandalorian. I have no clue. Just guessing. I mean, I do love Star Wars. Okay. Fair enough. I don't know. I really had to try to win this banner. Oh, my gosh. You're a topper squire. Hang up the phone. Vanna Square. Love you, Goren. Love you. Love you, Goren. Bye, Goran. Talk or talk with Goran? Call from... Caller. What is the correct answer? Can anybody get this correct? And how many people do we have to go through? Probably not. As long as we don't talk to that one son of a bitch again, we're good. Well, I'm pretty sure Neil was... Hello. This is Neil. We are here. This is Neil Javagrand. And I'm 90% sure Neil was in chat when this was being discussed. Neil was in chat. Yes. Neil. I have it. Do you have the correct answer? Might as well gun shy here Caller Godzilla Yeah, we can hear you I don't even think they finished making mods for Godzilla There's like six Godzilla mods that came out He did, he did the bridge, but that's not it Hang up the phone Hang up the phone It's okay Sorry, they're very rude Damn I know what the answer is. He is a brutal. This is a harsh night. For confirmation, what was the question? I'm sorry. Hey, hang on. Hang on. I just love telling everybody they're wrong. This is the best. Tell her. You were live on air. Okay. I still don't know what the fucking question is. Crank up the phone from that asshole. Hang up the phone. It's Insanity Falls again. Not Riverside Gamblers. You blow your load. That was one. You had two shots. I haven't had any shots. That's the problem. Well, have a couple shots. Hey! I'm trying, but first I want to win the fucking banner. Tell me what the fucking question was. What was the question? You know what? It was a very... Did myself and my wife finish completely modding out? talking to the mic pinball machine did my wife and I finish completely completely modding out mom the meatloaf that's what I'm waiting for you to say what do you got is there a fucking buzz so Amanda and Mike just finished modding machine Yep. And we talked about it tonight. We talked about it tonight. So, again. Oh, we're giving pins now. Hold on. Hold on. Again. What? Pinball machine. You're still talking. It's hard to talk. Nobody's screaming. I mean, we're streaming this. Am I going to have to mom you? There's a lot of things going on here. You need to wait until we are done speaking before you speak or hang up. Let me turn him up a little bit. I'm sorry if I'm being rude to your friends. I mean, you're up in our ears. They can hear you. Oh, okay. Also, hi, Alan. I'm sorry they didn't answer your call, but I hope you enjoy Expo. Oh, it's Alan. Now you're really confusing us. Like, who's this fucking Charlie Kaufman shit? Like, what are you looking for? Do you remember, like, what are we doing here? When you hung up on Alan from Timbal Mafia? Yeah, it's Alan. Did you forget doing that just like you forgot what the fucking question was? I almost want to give everybody in chat a banner, but in standard. Can we do that? That's fine. I just want to give a banner. Busy banners, Zach, for everyone. Hang up the phone, Beanie. What are you still talking to this guy for? Y'all, can people call in again if they... Well, in standard he falls, dude. All right. Yeah, Goran, do it again. It's fine. Goran, Neil, just keep calling. It's fine. I don't know. I don't make the rules here. Did you say the apprentice is calling in? Fanner's all around, baby. The topper apprentice might be calling in. What happens is if you say his name three times, he just shows up. The topper king. What happens is if you say topper three times, he shows up. Call him. If this is him, I swear to you. I can't tell. I can't see the area. What are you talking about? Hang on. What's happening? What is the problem? Where am I? Who is this? Who is this? I thought it was somebody in the room. Hello, my people. I'm reading. I'm doing it. Tim, do you know the answer? Yeah. I don't give a shit about a prize. I just wanted to call and say thank you for being badass friggin' pinball representative. Oh, my man. Everybody here. Cheers, everybody here. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers, everybody in chat. Cheers. Cheers, everybody in chat. Take a frigging drink, play the damn badass games, and have fun. You know what? Guess what, everybody? We've got a winner. I'm going to talk about what machine it is. You win. You win a GNR banner. For being funny. Wait, wait, wait. I love that. Zombie, I need to know what. I need to know. If you were in a pinball cabinet, Pinewood Dirty, I'm going to fucking die on this topic. what pinball cabinet would you tie to a derby in? The Hobbit. Awesome. Thank you for answering. That's a pretty good answer. Very journey-esque. I hope you're not floaty and slow. Thanks for the tip. It's expo, baby. Thank you, guys. Have a good week. I love it. It's heavy. It should carry you down a hill real quick. It would. Especially if you don't necessarily gut it before you go down the hill, you pop up that play field and hope that it doesn't close on you. Counting coils. Apparently, if you're driving into other Pinewood Derby cars. Yes. Right? Yes. It's called bumper cars. Right. Or bowling. You know that's the thing? Now people are counting coils. Yeah. That's the thing. A coil counter. That damn coil counter. Are you a coil counter? Yeah. What am I getting for my money? I'm counting coils. I'm not a freaking coil counter. It's a coil counter. Are we still on the call? Yes. I think so. Yeah, I'm still here. We are your games. Use a banner. What else do you want? All right. I'll hang up. Thanks for the excellent service on my games. We love you. Yeah, boy. We love you, TV. Love you, too. All right. Have a good one. Peace. Hey, that individual right there makes one of the coolest mods for Jurassic Park. No doubt. The Raptor. No doubt. Oh, that is a film authentic light that light up. It's really great. And shout out to Insanity Falls. If you guys are looking for a very irreverent podcast regarding pinball and everything else, go check out the lunacy of Insanity Falls. Wait a second. You just used irreverent to describe somebody who is kind of difficult to work with on stream. That's the same, I feel like, adjective used to describe bees somewhat recently. So did we ever talk about that? I don't know. It depends who's calling. I don't know. It's a number. I just want to see. It's part of your composition. I just want to see who's calling now. Okay. Are we still taking calls? So, we give away a banner. Okay. What else do we have to give away? I don't know. What do you want to give away? Yeah, pepper ring. Totally. Keep calling. What are you looking at? I was trying to call back. What are you bringing up here, Zach? We have candy for that. I was going to say rubber boat gambling, too. All right. Steve, totally. Let's answer. Let's just talk. Let's go. Oh, Kyle Kielbasa was calling. Call from? When can we have a topper fight, Jack? Oh, my God. Oh, it's time to fight, Jack. I just want to know when the topper head-to-head is going down. Whenever I have enough time to actually make you trivia questions, Gordon. Yeah. I need to study, Gordon. I'm not going to lie. A little bit of studying. I've been busy, you guys. And I can't, like, research with, like, all my pinball pals about it. I got to, like, go ask different people and make sure that nobody tells anybody. Here's some confidential shit. Yeah. We have a trivia question that we could do. Well, it's on. It's on, huh? It's on. Let's go. Oh, my goodness. It's happening. It's on. It's on? We're throwing down? It's on. Okay. Hey, Goran, tell me this much. Goran, are we going to see a brand new, never-before-seen topper released at Expo this year, Chicago Pinball Expo? Is this a trivia question or a legitimate question? The true topper king would know. I mean... I mean, you know, NBAs are signed. I can't necessarily reveal that information. Okay, you're going NDA route here, huh? But, hey, you may be surprised, okay? You may be surprised. You may be surprised? You may be surprised, that's all I can say. To what we call a stretch? You may be surprised. You may be surprised. I was waiting for the Craig Bobby wait and see. Listen, listen, I'm winking right now at the camera. Yeah, the answer is yes. Hey, Goran, you and I need to, I want to be your first guest. Have you ever had a guest on Topper Talk? I don't think you have, have you? I have not, but I would be happy to have. It's not that I'm inviting myself, but I'm just, you know, like if you have another seat or I know how to work Skype, so. You can absolutely be a guest. Oh, you want me to come on your show? That would be great. Thank you for the invite, Goran. I appreciate it. You can be a guest, and then Mick Squid wants to be a guest to talk about his roller coaster tycoon topper and his sonic topper. That's a legit topper. Why don't you, you know what, Goran? I think you and I need to push, like all these people fighting for reveals. Who cares, right? It's me and you, Renat, Goran. It's me and you. He's looking at the camera. I want you and I together to reveal a pinball machine topper. Would you be open to that, Goran? I would 100%. Would you take my hand as we assemble together the brand new minciness of a pinball topper? I would. It's for the greater good of toppers. You guys heard it. He's in. I do. He's in for the greater good of toppers. It's going to be for Thunderbirds, right? Let's go, baby. Nailed it. They're critical. They're critical to the gameplay experience. Wait until you guys see that CGC topper. I'm just saying. holy shit I'm excited to see that I get a pee I think we're ready to wind this down if you guys are good yeah Bill come on in here because I got a pee poo there's going to be a big party and I am not invited I don't want to be invited there's going to be a what kind of party I don't know things are going to get crazy but yeah thanks for calling in man No problem, girl. Bye. Bye, Gordon. Peace. All right. How's everybody in chat tonight? I'm just hoping they literally hold hands while they do this. I'll hold your hand. It was very nice to hear that. All right. Friendship time. George, do you have any irrational fears? Many. Out of a pin dragon. Hi, gang. What's up? What's up, buddy? We are approaching the three hour mark Steve, I think we've got to kind of wind this down We'll call it I think at 11 I think we'll slowly I will not be on until that long Shut it down I will sit for another couple minutes This homeboy's got to start dealing with trailers outside I'm going to go eat more snacks Yeah, snackages Oh, I'm going to eat my weight in cookies Oh Oh, they're just right back there. That'll be what, like two? Two cookies? No, at least a half a box. I need to go cookie shopping. Hey! Well, thank you everybody for joining us in chat on the Flip N Out Pinball channel. Wow, what a crazy night. What a crazy night. So many different people. Tell you what. It has been awesome. Good having you all here. Yeah, that's right. Man. Wow. What? TPN, you know it. Yeah. It's good stuff. Hell yeah. It's great times. We had four different TPN channels at American at the same time earlier today. So it was Hottie, Frisco Pinball, Don't Panic Flip, Fliptronic, and... One iPod, one pinball. One iPod, one pinball. Very cool. Oh, nice. How was that little party? It was good. They gave you a little 15-minute tour of the assembly line. I got to see Steve again. Unfortunately, he's moving away from Texas. Oh, yeah. So I'm kind of disappointed there. I'll let you run this, Steve. I'll be back. But, yeah, he was there greeting people and talking through some of the rules and stuff, and they showed you, like, the process. And I think I convinced them to give me a busted play field for Hot Wheels. Convinced. So you dumpster dove. Well, that's what I got out of Steve. I think I might have just had some shit off the bat. I went to Joe Schuber, and I'm like, hey, you know, we did those Hot Wheel challenges last year. Sure. And I think we came in, like, fourth or fifth overall, and we were supposed to get some prizes, but we never got anything. And they're like, well, what do you want? I'm like, how about a play field? And he's like, okay, sure. You take this busted up one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a reject. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They showed the rack of rejects. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a couple of them there. Cool. It was fun. That's where we got the idea of the soapbox derby pinball cabinet thing, because there empty cabinets on casters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Becca's like, I want to go get pushed around in those and race them. We should do that during the expo. I think that would be awesome. Yeah, just set up like a little track like cones, and you have to have a partner weave you through them or something. Pinball cabinet derby. I like it. Pinball autocross. Becca is driving you, Jordan. That would be great. Yeah, that's going to be a little tough for her. She said other cars are like magnets, so it'll be great. Yeah. George can ride beside you. I was just thinking, like, who would I choose as my partner? Because I'm assuming you'd have to get, like, halfway through the whatever the course is and then swap. Somebody else jumps in and then you have to run them through so that way both people can both appear. You want somebody like, let's go. Let's go. Right. You could probably put two people in one cabinet, so maybe you can do, like, bobsled style. Yeah, see, that's what I was thinking, too. Have a runner jump in, feel the rhythm, do the thing, eat the stuff, and here's your bling. I choose mine. Love it. Yeah. I think that's a good choice. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. All right. I need a drink, guys. I got some hosting to do. We'll have some people hop on chat here shortly. Yeah. What's Zeebo doing? I'm going to be in chat. Stick around. We'll be right back. You coming on to this, Zeebo? Zeebo. Come on. Come on. Bowman. Bowman has not been on yet. Jobber. Jobber. Chris. Come on. I'm going to bounce off. I need a drink. Yeah, I need a drink. Come on. Hello. Hello. Hello. You can have my phone. You can have my phone. You can share. Come on. Nicole, come on. Come on. You're going to hop on chat. Come on. You want in? Okay. And while we're at it. Nicole. I think now's a good time to mention coming up here at the Renaissance Convention Center Schaumburg Convention, what is this place that we're going to? The Renaissance Schaumburg The Renaissance Schaumburg coming up here October 17th through the, god I can't see oh 27th through the 13th, okay I've screwed that plug up yeah my fake plug here for Hey, Pinball Expo celebrating their 37th year. 37? 37 in a row? 37 in a row. Hey. Sorry, Arthur Pindragon just asked, what am I drinking? This is normalize the signal. I'm drinking nothing but pure crack cocaine. Okay. I just was outside before chasing a dragon. Okay. You never catch the dragon. You never do? Oh, man. I was like this. Cheers. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. There's none of that here, right? I hope. But, uh... Not... What's that? Hang on. Come on. Come on, man. Actually, I think I've said, like, five or six things that could technically get us banned from Twitch. You know, I was going to say, I'd like five or six hundred dollars in cash, just in case. Probably not. Nope. I'm going to jump, George, after this. Okay. I need cash, because I need parking money, so... At the expo? There's no... They don't charge you to park at the expo. So, again, chat. I don't know. Correction. Yeah, we're just partying here. I don't know what just happened. Yeah, Arthur Vendrick. It's good. George is always drinking something interesting, and he's fun. Love from George. I have an entire Yeti cooler. There's multiple Yeti coolers full of alcohol here, but I have one that I brought from Colorado. So at some point, I've got mead, some crazy flavored beers that I think include cereal. I think is a flavor type and then I've got multiple types of whiskey and gin I think all in the back of my truck Marble Colorado The stereo beer is a morning beer, right? Do you have that right away? Is there a morning beer? Do you keep it in the bathroom? That's the question No, not in the bathroom Not in the stall behind? No, but it does have a different shelf in the shower Yes See, what I'm basically trying to do is paint you It just is a complete jerk who has a massive problem. Hey, turn. Whoa, what the wide world is this? Hey, Mark. Hey. Well, hey. Thank you for the subscription. And, of course, each and every one of your subscriptions goes to the fine folks here at Studio B. Can we get rid of his mic? Like, where do we unplug him? I can do that. Oh, God damn. No. And we've screwed everything up. No, we're good. We're good. Because I know how to use an XLR cable. But keep those subscriptions coming. And if you have one of those Twitch Prime badges, please make sure. And remember to like, comment, subscribe. So you always get the notice when these shows go on. Wow. Well said. Thank you very much. Is anybody else as frustrated with Mandalorian as I am? How? Like sexually? I mean, sexually, yeah. In what way? Let's turn this into love line. Okay. So what do you mean sexual? Frustrated. With Amanda. Do you have a finish for the Yoda baby? No, I'm unable to finish. Oh, hello. Who am I? Let's go to Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, can you tell us a little bit about what's going on right now? Yes, I'm a completely uninteresting broadcaster, but please give me a lot of money and a big house. Oh, my God. Hello. So tell us about your frustration. I haven't had a chance to really talk pinball tonight, so tell us about your frustration. I'm just here for the show. No, I've been working the grills every now and then. So there's two major issues with Mandalorian, right? Which is, one, in order to initiate the multiballs and then continue the Razorcrest multiballs, it requires hitting the same shot. It's got to be roughly about 40 or 50 times. Yeah? Yeah. So it's the middle ramp. Yeah, I think it's hit, like, the first time is, like, three or four, and then it jumps up to, like, 12 and then jumps to, like, I don't know, 80. And then you keep going, right, in order to get to the multiball. It's a multiball. It's a number of shots. Uh-huh. and then it's a hurry-up, and then you have to complete the hurry-up, and then you have to hit a number of shots to get back into the multiball, then you have to complete the multiball, then you get back into the hurry-up, but it's all the same shot. Yes. The entire time, it's the same shot over and over and over and over and over again. And over. And over. But for a bad pinball player like myself, it's straight up the middle, so it's fantastic. Sure. I love it. Okay. Straight down the middle, so I've never gotten that far. So imagine you make it to the mini wizard mode there, and the next two are either missions, which are amazing, by the way, quite. Love the missions, and I love every single one of your mini wizard modes. The missions are great. You've got to make it through five missions in order to get to the missions mini wizard mode. And then you have to get, this is the worst part, the encounters. Okay. There's nothing fun about the encounters. It is the epitome of chopping wood. It's hit the left ramp, and while you're up in that little minute upper play field on a pro, you've got to hit a couple of different shots. And then it times out once you complete it, and you have to then let it drain and then get back up there again and do it three levels for three different encounters in order to get through. So that's the frustration, is that the game seems repetitive consistently. It feels very, in my opinion, like Metallica in that you get to a certain point where it's less about starting multi-balls and doing things and more about just repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Probably. I haven't ever gotten to any of those things you just mentioned, so I have no idea. Okay. And also, if you look at the grand champ on that score, which I don't know how a step by me is embarrassing. I think there was a lot of bourbon involved that night. There's always bourbon involved. Yes. Right. Can I get a bourbon here? Can I get a birthday? I have a beer. Don't you bring that shit over there. Sorry, we're taking my Lord. Oh, Lord. I still have not ever had the Lord. George, can I give you my Lord? Yeah, can I have my Lord? I am sure that Jobber will be happy to talk to you and please for a small monthly donation of $9.95 if you just call 812-457-9711. Are we taking calls? Here's what you should do. If you call 812-457-9711 at 1 in the morning. you will win a brand new Deep Root Pinball. That's right. By the way, this is a long-going joke on the show because dating back to when Ken did this show, they one night decided to go in Studio C, I believe they called it, and drink Malort. Yes, they did. This is probably the worst tasting alcohol I've ever had in my life. It tastes like something I would use to clean auto parts with. It's multi-purpose, so you can do it. It's one of those things in business that you always get floored by. They developed this. I have to use the bathroom. This thing that tastes like bile. And they went to a bank and said, hey, we're going to make this thing. It tastes like bile. You want to take over? Come on, Nicole. And they got funding. I do not. That's what always amazes me when I try something like this. Absolutely awful. Here's the media. Here's the show. How old are you? Do you know the story behind Malert? No, I have no idea. I only know it from the joke of the show, and I told Steve I have to try Malert. So I have, and I regret that I ever did. Have you tried it? Because I'm supposed to take the shot. Go right ahead. Have fun. Boom. Yeah, it's not great. We needed to get a live on air. So what is the story of Malert? I don't know all the finer points, but I know that the gentleman that created it had lost some of his taste buds. Why? And actually created a liquor that he could taste, which is why it has such an oddball taste to people of normal taste buds. He is the best. This is, I mean, this literally tastes like me after a good night of partying. Oh, yeah. And I've maybe done a little bit too much. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is the taste that's currently in my mouth. In fact, it's so bad, I'm going to have to leave you once again. And rinse it out. And go and get an actual good tasting liquor to get rid of it. But remember, FlippinOut.com. Underwear available now. Bye, Jobber. And that was Jobber. Yeah. Arthur Pinball, yes. Pinball's for Law of Gravity. It must come straight down the middle. That is, I guess that's fair. Why not? All right. So I guess it's just you and me. Everyone else, there were five people here a second ago. And now we're down to two. And now there are us. And I know they were talking about shutting down Dream and Sit only at 10.30, and I don't know how to do that. Yeah, no, it's the key was, always a bad idea. Always. Come on, Zach! Insanity, Zach's not here for you to call in right now, but, you know, if you give us a minute. I don't know, there's a separate conversation going on in the corner of the room that you guys can't see, but we can see and hear. I think you can hear it, too. Yeah, there's a lot going on. So, it's getting to that point in the night where things get a little crazy. I think we're trying to get the band back together for one last goodbye, but I'm not really sure. Yep, I have been given the confirmation. The wrap it up? The wrap it up and confirmation that we are getting the band back together for one encore tonight only in the Studio B Clip It Out symbol. I don't know what's going on here. I don't either. Get your asses over here. We're going to close it down. Yep, yep. Let's cut that. Come on, baby. Hang on. I'm going to shut down everybody. Kid. No. I don't know how to do this. You've got to get over here. You've got to take the lead. We've got to close this down. Yeah. Just do it. Everybody said that this table was going to take a shot. Beat. I'm not. Oh, shit. I'm going to wait for the table to go. Just like old times, you're going to close it down. It wouldn't be the same without you closing down the stream. I did promise stream that the band was going to get back together for one on one. I know you're good. Come on. That mic. It's whispering. I don't even remember how to do it. How do we use the mic? Really? Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Oh, that was special. I like how we're doing. Whatever, dude. It's all good. It's all the same. Oh, is this going on right now? It's still live. Yeah, it's still live. We are still live. Still going. Still going strong. Yeah, that's right. lots of drinks, lots of good times. Hey, look, you've got to close down the stream. You do. Well, first of all, you're talking at the wrong part. This is why I can't play the page. There's a mic right here. Literally, there are three people on the line. Everybody wants to hear you. Thank you. There, there, there. Maybe I can be in there. Hey, Kim. Hey, Kim. Kim. Hey. What's going on? Here we go. Pinball land right there. Hey, what's going on, pinball land? I am sitting next to greatness right now. That is a voice for radio right there. It is. I can't tell you. So silky, so smooth. It's a voice for pinball podcasting. I hope. That's right. That's good. I love each and every one of you. Absolutely. Thank you, brother. We love you too. Cheers. Cheers. To the best group of friends that anyone can have, pinball or not. I'll drink to that. I like it. Where's the drink, Amanda? I don't have a drink. All right. I'll drink to it. Are we shutting it down? Is it? We are going to close ring time. That was an alert. That was an alert night. Ken, tell everybody in chat how much better pinball is when you have friends in it. In my opinion, pinball is at least 50% friends. It's who you can enjoy the hobby with that also enjoys the hobby. It's who you can call up in the morning on the way into work and talk about what you liked or what you didn't like about a pinball machine or a stream. It's the excitement of having a game that's coming or somebody that got a game on a deal, and you're talking about that. It's the friendships. It's clicking, and that is such the big part. It's the toppers. Because let me ask you this. It's the topper on a trailer. Think about this for a second, and I'll throw it back at you. You had all the greatest pinball machines in the world. I love this. This is fucking King Gromit. You never had somebody that you could share your excitement with or talk about these games. Is it really something that you would still have interest in? No. I don't know that you would. It's a community. I don't know that you would. It's a community. It's the greatest community. Damn, I can't wait to you guys. Hopefully everybody in chat is going to come to the expo, and if not, live through us vicariously through different streams and different videos. Are you streaming at the expo? I hope not. Oh, we're not. Are we? Did you see how much it costs to stream? Oh, yeah. So the internet fees at the Renaissance and Shire. Screw you, Expo Wi-Fi. That's pretty bad. $1,300 a day bullshit. $1,300? $1,300 a day. That is a lot of money. That's just five megabytes. That's a lot of toppers. It's like a half of a topper. That's a half of a topper. Unless you guys buy the wonderful JJP Guns N' Roses topper. Oh. You guys can purchase that by emailing me at zagzachs, flip the letter in, out, pinball.com, or call me. And you still have a few left. Text me. 812-457-9711. I stuck a few in the vault. Wow, that's crazy. A few in the vault. Bye, bye, bye. That's wonderful. And if you guys are at the Expo this weekend, you can come play a wonderful Jersey Jack pinball Willy Wonka, Ellie. Nice. Fantastic. We're going to unbox it fresh right there. That's a really good machine. It's a solid game. 2.0 code with scorebit and achievements now. It doesn't get any better than that in pinball. I love the achievements too because they're tongue in cheek. I really like the achievements. It's fun. It's good. I think the cool people will enjoy it. What about the not cool people? They'll enjoy something. Okay. It just is what it is. Close us down. Yeah, let's do it. Do you want me to close us down? We're going to wrap up this epic Expo tailgate stream after two years of not having it. We're back. I personally want to thank everybody that was involved. I want to thank Bill Webb and Amanda Hamilton and Steve B, Courtney Bowman. For Zach Menny, Bill Webb, Courtney, Steve, and Amanda Hamilton, we're going to raise our glasses. You have a good Expo. Be good. Be safe, Bill. Everybody, have a good morning, good afternoon, good Expo. And whatever you do, don't forget to take some time and play some pinball. So long, everybody. Have a good night. Later, guys. Peace. Peace out. Woo! That's a wrap. Cheers. Man, I love pinball. Sometimes it's a great game. Sometimes. That one gave me chills. That did. That was a good time. That was so good. That was so good.