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Episode 84: Love Letters, Pinball, and Designers of Genius!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Dec 17, 2020
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TL;DR

Deep Root Pinball opens pre-orders, Stern teases Led Zeppelin, Project Pinball does charity work.

Summary

The Poor Man's Pinball Podcast (Episode 84) covers news on Deep Root Pinball's website launch with pre-orders opening around the 30th at ~$5,800 base price, Project Pinball's charity work installing machines in hospitals, and Sam Stern's teaser announcement of a Led Zeppelin pinball machine. The hosts discuss pricing fairness, manufacturing concerns, DLC content models for pinball, and debate the appeal of music-themed machines to younger audiences.

Key Claims

  • Deep Root Pinball's website went live with order banks opening around the 30th

    high confidence · Hosts discussing Deep Root Pinball news; Scott Ian and Drew confirm the website went live and orders open around the 30th

  • Deep Root Pinball base price is approximately $5,800, can reach $9,500 with upgrades and limited edition options

    high confidence · Drew states 'it's like 58 something' base, and 'Just throw it on that old credit card. $9,500' for limited edition variant

  • Only 25-30 Deep Root Pinball machines have been ordered so far

    medium confidence · Drew: 'Only 25 or 30 have been ordered so far, thank you very much' — specific number but not sourced to official statement

  • Deep Root Pinball plans to offer DLC content allowing entirely new rule sets on the same playfield

    high confidence · Hosts discuss Steven Bowden's hint about DLC; Scott Ian explains: 'same play field but every single rule that was in Circus Voltaire is now that's not in it it's all new now'

  • Pinball Brothers are further along in manufacturing than Deep Root Pinball, with 50 playfields printed and parts ready

    medium confidence · Drew and Scott Ian compare progress; Drew: 'They have like 50 play fields... they have dolls all printed up. They have parts. They have facehuggers and they have mechs. How are they ahead of Deep Root Pinball right now?'

  • Project Pinball dedicated seven machines in 14 days on their Love Across America Tour 2020

    medium confidence · Hosts discussing Project Pinball news from This Week in Pinball; reference to Paul Daniel Spolar's charity work

  • Sam Stern has only made two modern music pinball machines since switching to LCD

    medium confidence · Scott Ian: 'Sam Stern has only really made, now correct me if I'm wrong, chat, and I'm sure you will because you guys hate me today... They already said you're wrong' — claim made but immediately challenged by chat

  • Any pinball machine under $7,000 is a fair price

Notable Quotes

  • “Any kind of pinball under $7,000 is a fair price in my opinion.”

    Scott Ian @ ~19:30 — Establishes pricing baseline for evaluating Deep Root Pinball's $5,800 base price as competitive

  • “Same play field but every single rule that was in Circus Voltaire is now that's not in it it's all new now so it's a whole different game different rules set different ways to win different way to score basically an entirely coded game”

    Scott Ian @ ~35:00 — Explains Deep Root Pinball's DLC model — new complete rule sets rather than incremental add-ons

  • “I'm so sick of teasers... Show me your balls, Sam Stern. I don't want to see the bulge. I want to see the balls.”

    Drew @ ~60:00 — Community frustration with Stern's incremental teaser strategy for Led Zeppelin announcement

  • “Can you make it? Can you manufacture this? Can you get them out the door? That's the one thing I am a little weary of. Because they have a track record of not.”

    Scott Ian @ ~28:00 — Express concern about Deep Root Pinball's manufacturing capability and delivery track record

  • “They're just, that's true. It's definitely an age issue there, isn't there? Can we get another old Dick White guy theme, please?”

    Drew @ ~68:00 — Commentary on Led Zeppelin's appeal gap with younger audiences and preference for older demographic themes

  • “Project Pinball has been one of those charities ever since I got into pinball... they run a monthly... raffle... for brand new pinball machines. And most if not all the money gets used for putting machines in children's hospitals across the country.”

    Scott Ian @ ~47:00 — Explains Project Pinball's charitable model and impact

  • “Well, you also get the pin bar, which is something you would never get on a Stern anything. Well, I wouldn't say ever. But yeah, you're right.”

    Scott Ian & Drew @ ~24:00 — Discussion of Deep Root Pinball's differentiation feature compared to Stern machines

Entities

Deep Root PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyPinball BrotherscompanyProject PinballorganizationSam SternpersonSteven BowdenpersonPaul Daniel Spolarperson

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Deep Root Pinball website went live with official pre-order banking opening ~December 30th at base price $5,800 (upgradeable to $9,500 LE)

    high · Hosts confirm website launch and order date; specific pricing provided

  • ?

    announcement: Stern Pinball officially announced Led Zeppelin as next machine theme after weeks of speculation

    high · Sam Stern released teaser video; hosts confirm it is definitively Led Zeppelin, not Queen as some rumored

  • ?

    product_strategy: Deep Root Pinball introducing DLC content model allowing complete new rule sets on same playfield for additional purchase

    medium · Steven Bowden hinted at DLC strategy; hosts discuss it as potentially game-changing revenue model for manufacturers

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Deep Root Pinball has received only 25-30 pre-orders despite website launch; production status unclear

    medium · Drew states '25 or 30 have been ordered so far' and Scott Ian expresses concern about manufacturing track record

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Pinball Brothers further along in manufacturing pipeline than Deep Root Pinball with 50 playfields completed and parts inventory

    medium · Hosts note Pinball Brothers showing completed playfields on Facebook while Deep Root has shown only riders

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome guys this episode of the poor man's pinball podcast is brought to you by several great sponsors we have pin shades uh check out the new special for christmas time it is uh pin shades bf i got it i got it you got it not pin was it pin yeah no shit what is the code poor man sorry poor man's bf as in black friday uh i believe it runs to the end of the year so poor man's best friend poor man's best friend poor man's bf for the pin shades discount uh zen studios uh check out all their new tables pinball fx3 all the great new platforms that are coming out people are paying 1200 for an xbox guess what a table costs like a dollar maybe three it's awesome right so check out zen studios uh this week in pinball we're stealing more of their content today actually 100 so this week in pinball check it out for all the latest and greatest news and that segment of news is always brought to you by this week in pinball. Pin Stadium Lights. Go check him out. He has BF40, I believe, is his.
1:05
We have our own special code for Pin Stadium Lights. It is poormans with an S. These codes, man, there's too many goddamn codes. We've got to write this shit down. I'm just reading chat. It's been brutal for you. Okay.
1:19
And we've got the rest of these great sponsors, buttholes. you people in chat are awful pinballprices.com I'm a little off today I'm just shaking the rust off pinballprices.com that is one thing I don't have one pinballprices.com doc is in chat no fuck that that's a terrible whiskey and last but certainly not least we have flipping out pinball Zach is working on getting a bunch of new great games in stock So text Zach, flipping out pinball, and tell him the poor man sent you.
1:55
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, step right up. It's time for the one, the only, the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 83. Four. 84. Ian, you just sounded better than I did. I put 80. Well, I fucked it all up, but 84. 84 podcasts under our belt, plus a few extras. It's always amazing to me that we've been doing this that long. Yeah. Like, almost weekly for, what, two years now? Going on two. We're on our way to two. We're on our way to dos. Yeah. Dos años. Dos años for those Mexican listeners that we have four of them in Mexico. Yeah. We love all four of you. Thank you. All cuatro of you. Thank you.

low confidence · Scott Ian's opinion: 'Any kind of pinball under $7,000 is a fair price in my opinion'

Led Zeppelin
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Oktoberfestproduct
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Poor Man's Pinball Podcastorganization
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community_signal: Project Pinball wheelchair accessibility initiative showing adaptive innovation in pinball industry

high · Charity created cut-down leg Star Wars machine for wheelchair accessibility during Love Across America Tour

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community frustration with incremental teaser campaigns from major manufacturers like Stern

    medium · Drew: 'I'm so sick of teasers... Show me your balls, Sam Stern. I don't want to see the bulge. I want to see the balls.'

  • $

    market_signal: Deep Root Pinball pricing at ~$5,800 base positioned directly competitive with Stern's comparable tiers

    high · Hosts note pricing 'similar Stern pricing' and Scott Ian states 'under $7,000 is a fair price'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Deep Root Pinball featuring pin bar, lighted side art, and customizable playfield figures as factory upgrades

    high · Hosts discuss pin bar as differentiator, lighted art blades, and factory-installed figures as available upgrades

  • ?

    collector_signal: Limited edition cabinet variants with enhanced aesthetics driving collector interest despite manufacturing concerns

    medium · Hosts discuss lighted side art limited editions and Scott Ian considers ordering sight unseen despite skepticism

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Debate over music-themed machines' appeal to younger demographics; Led Zeppelin seen as targeting older audience

    medium · Drew: 'Most kids under 30 don't know who Led Zeppelin is... Can we get another old Dick White guy theme, please?'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Manufacturers considering outsourcing production to established firms (American Pinball, Chicago Gaming) as efficiency strategy

    low · Scott Ian speculates Deep Root could have outsourced manufacturing but hosts note lack of public partnership announcements

    • 2:53
    So, welcome, guys. Yep, I was a little off on my intro, and... Fuck you. Here we are. uh so yeah you can ask for refunds at the end of the show whatever i'll give you back your three bets uh we love you guys it's all good uh thanks for uh we got quite a few people in chat today so it's pretty awesome good everyone's excited but you know what's cool what i like to see i mean you regulars you guys are yeah you guys are okay but i like to see the new face talking about you tim i don't think tim's here right yet yeah he's here he's making fun of you already yeah fuck you tim okay uh what the fuck is up buttholes jesse j welcome jesse j welcome uh but i like seeing the new names right oh because like yeah like every every week you know there's a couple new people that lurking around jay sellers what's up brother cavalier what up emily and dr john what up so anyways it's just cavalier cheese oh there's so many cheese slices drew oh for one already thanks tim lee okay yeah now i'm just gonna be bitter for the rest of the episode this is gonna me my face for the rest of the episode i'm just gonna lean into my mic like this pout okay that's not what we're doing today are we are we pouting today i'm not oh okay i'm in a great mood hey thank you for the bits tim 100 bits we need a butthole emoji you know what jesse j you are right we're working on a few emojis like poop emojis are great but a butthole emoji would be like i need a solid couple days i have a vacation coming up here in christmas so expect some custom emotes then jay seller says jesse j always draws attention in this place well uh i first i said jay sellers first i said hi to you first ah that is true that is true that was the first jay you said hi to yes just use drew's face it's starting early pit head cam i thought i was the lovable one i screw up one intro a hundred times dude i go under the radar so much. You get the brunt of it. Yeah, whatever. But you also get the brunt of the love. That's true. I take the good with the bad. People are indifferent to me because I don't care. They can tell. It rubs off my indifference. Alright, so what are we doing today, Drew? We've got a huge show, but should we start up the bar? Is that what you wanted to do first? Let's open the bar. Alright, let's open the bar.
    5:10
    Come in. Grab a seat. The bar is open Alright, well the bar is open, Drew We are open We're still working on our timing Some segues As any of you guys who have been fans for more than a week Our segues are terrible And we're working on them Because once again, we used to be able to edit it So we'd be like, oh this doesn't look good Or this doesn't sound good, we'll kind of move this around I thought it was just fine It was fine We just got to get more of a standard with it. That's all. All right. So today we got some news sponsored by This Week in Pinball. Some good stuff. Some fun stuff to talk about. We have another package.
    5:57
    Not our packages. A new package. Yes, we have a new package. He doesn't have his package. His wife took that. I still have mine. Yeah, bullshit. I use it every day. Alone. I see how you use it. I don't like how you use it. You shouldn't be looking. I watch all the time. I'm always watching. Why did I do that in front of the camera?
    6:18
    We have a poor man's first. This is our first live love letter. We're doing a live letter. I should say love letters because we each have one today. And I spent at least three and a half minutes writing mine. Three and a half, whatever half would be. Just before the show. That's why we were a little late today, guys. So, yeah, first live love letter. We'll see how that goes. Do we even have the music for that? It's in there somewhere. We didn't even talk about that. We can't do it without the Barry White. I got it. Okay, cool.
    6:51
    Another podcast of genius audio from Glenn. And, well, I was going to say my friend Tim, but after today's comments, this guy Tim Lee. His best friend Tim Lee. That helps us sometimes. No. So we got another podcast of genius because that seems to be a hit.
    7:07
    I love him. What did Ian tell me today? His wife did not know what that was. No. Did not understand the reference. We were just talking about that. It was literally on the air for like, what, three years? Years. Yeah. Years. It was a big, big campaign. It was a big thing. It was a Budweiser thing. Because I said I didn't know what it was instantly when they first sent it to us, but I recognized it and I knew it was a thing that went on in the 90s for a very long time. So, anyways. So, that's what we have. And we have some good email today, some mailbag stuff. So anything else you can think of that we're peppering in today?
    7:45
    Let's be like there's one more thing. Well, we'll get to it because they're probably going to ask for it. Like they usually do. So before we kind of get into the nuts and bolts of this, what are we drinking today, Ian? Because as you guys noticed, we haven't been drinking anything. We have no drinks. This is sad and lonely. I'm going to make a drink at the bar We're going to make some Tom and Jerry's A nice Christmas treat Wait, we're taking our live show on the road? Well, you're going to sit here Oh, okay, I'll entertain the masses I'll try to point this so people can hear me But I'm going to go up there And I am going to make a couple cocktails For us Some Tom and Jerry's You guys like Tom and Jerry's? I did not, I'm learning this today Drew's never had one, so they're delicious, they're sweet And I don't know if we're going to have a lot of these Did anyone else just lose sound? Do we sound okay, guys? Hello. Testing one, two, three. We're showing we have sound, guys.
    8:42
    And they get better after they drink. Thanks, Pinhead Cam. That is a very accurate statement. Bars open, no drinks. Yes, because we, well, I don't know why. Because Ian wanted to show us. I'll get that sound. Here we go, kids. We're going to go and make some drinks. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
    9:00
    Made from cat and mouse cum. Where is this thing coming from, you guys? It sounds like that in Moscow. Oh, does it? A little bit.
    9:09
    So here we got Ian at the bar doing his bar stuff, playing the bongos. Oh, look at that, the poor man's mug. That's what we're starting with. Yep, bar cam. Epic cam, says Glenno.
    9:24
    So, yeah, Ian's a bit of a mixologist. Are you going to be commentating? Yeah, yeah. Well, we have Ian. We have Ian. He's got the final laps here. He's got his brandy, Corbel.
    9:37
    And he's going to be hopefully not breaking that bottle of Corbel. Did you wash your hands before you started this, Ian? Okay. We touch our junk. So this is how you make a Tom and Jerry's, ladies and gentlemen. Is it Tom and Jerry's plural or is it Tom and Jerry? Tom and Jerry. Okay. So just Tom and Jerry. We're going to do a three-quarter ounce or one-and-a-half ounce. Sorry, let's go one-and-a-half ounce. Let's go big.
    10:05
    Corbel, we'll do two of those. Two of those? Uh-oh. So that's like three ounces of booze, huh? If I did my math right, which I often do not. That's a lot. So in chat, guys, tell us your favorite Christmas drinks. These are the ones, you know, you typically save for December and sometimes January, I guess.
    10:31
    So mine is poor man's pinball whiskey and anything. That's my favorite December cocktail. Oh, man, Pinhead Cam, you are on fire today. He said bald spot, Cam. What? I love it.
    10:54
    Corbell is expensive. Uh, yeah. Now when you get it in like a freaking gallon jug. Yeah, that's a big bottle. I think you save here in Wisconsin when you buy a big giant jug of Korbel. Jesse J. Cherry, sour beers, and all the whiskey, but that's standard for me. Hmm, like it. All right, we got a Tom and Jerry mix stuff here.
    11:18
    Sorry, Pinhead Cam. Tom and Jerry is... He's right. That does look like mouse cum. it's basically sugar egg yolks we got sugar we got egg yolks anything else that's it that's the secret sugar and egg yolks that's what we're drinking when you say it like that it just sounds terrible yep we're gonna take some sugar we're gonna take some egg yolks we're gonna douse it in brandy and you're gonna love it
    11:54
    Who thought this bar cam was a great idea? I did. Oh, that's good. I can't wait to get my mouth on it.
    12:09
    That's what she said? Anybody? That's what she said. Tiki Pinball says, every year for Christmas dinner, we have sloppy choes and milkshakes. Ooh. Now we add booze to our milkshakes. Yeah, booze makes everything better. Boiling water. Sure. Boiling water? Actually, you know what? We're going to first. Oh, okay. I got it. So it's. Cinnamon stick. Yeah, what? Cinnamon stick. Oh, a cinnamon stick. I thought you said something dick.
    12:34
    Add Vegemite. Can't get any worse, says Dr. John. We actually have some Vegemite. So we got four cinnamon sticks. Fuck it. Yeah.
    12:48
    You did it. This recipe is an exact science. All right, here we go. Hot water. Okay, you guys watching? This is exciting stuff. This is like watching paint dry. Ready? He's pouring the hot water. He pours in the left. He pours in the right.
    13:05
    Silence. Falls over the crowd as they say, what the fuck are we watching? Nutmeg. Cut a little nutmeg. We're going to give it a little bit of a shake. Shake one. Shake two.
    13:19
    All right. Now, to top it all off. Ian's going to touch his junk again underneath the bar cam. And then he's going to use his dick to stir it.
    13:41
    I just got back from the bathroom. Is he making herbal tea, says Tim? Yep. Okay, here goes, guys. You guys, I've heard all of it. My first Tom and Jerry. Cheers.
    13:58
    I'm in love. That mouse cum is delicious. That tastes like Christmas mouse cum. It's like I'm drinking coffee, but I'm going to get drunk.
    14:11
    Very sticky. Very sticky cum. All right. That's good, man. Good. Well, good. Lots of booze in there. Yeah, I can taste the booze. I wanted to get us caught up here. Because this show is going to suck if we don't get a little hammered here.
    14:30
    All right. So now that we're back, we have our drinks. Everyone else have their drinks. I hope you're good. These are great mugs. Where do we get these mugs, Ian? Silverballswag.com. That was a good segue. I paid double. Yeah. If you got these mugs, don't make the mistake I did. Don't order the standard mug. The standard mug is just that. It's just one of those little coffee mugs. You have to pay the extra few dollars. Get yourself the big honking big mug. I think it's like, what, 11-ounce? Because the standard one is like 6-ounce or something, 7-ounce. So, yeah, good. Spring, don't be a cheap-ass poor man. Spring the $5, $6 and upgrade.
    15:11
    And it goes to a good cause. Ooh, that is boozy. It's watered down booze. The first sip I had was mostly like foam. So I was like, oh, that's tasty and sugary. and now I'm like, ooh, that's brandy.
    15:24
    This is basically like he boiled brandy and poured it in here. Fuck yeah, dude. It's awesome. All right, good, man. All right, so what do you want to do? We got news, man. We got lots of news. Should we do news? We should do news. We don't have news intro, do we? No, we don't need a news intro. So let's do- Do-do-do-do-do!
    15:45
    Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, Twip News. All right, Drew, what do we have on the first? twit news uh yeah we did that it was very exciting guys if you guys are just listening to us you are failing to witness the glory that is my my very animated style of podcasting animated dicks all right all right let's go let's go uh deep root man you know we said we weren't going to talk about until they had something to show right well but technically on their line. Technically, they have some stuff to show.
    16:24
    What was it? A week ago or so, their website went live. It went live. We didn't talk about it last week. No, we missed it because I think it happened a day or two before that. It happened that day. I was looking at it, and I wanted to talk about it, and then I didn't. So here we go. We're going to talk about it today. A lot on that website. So let's just start with the real basic stuff. What do you think?
    16:45
    Order banks are open. Yeah, order banks are open. You can order today. Oh, when? The 30th, I think, right? Yeah. Something like that.
    16:52
    So initially, with that leak they had from a few weeks back, it looked like the games were going to be five grand. Ooh, not a bad price. With an arcade edition. Yes, but no, it's actually, it's almost six. It's like 58 something. Yeah. But it starts at that, because you can add upgrades. You know, armor, powder coat, just different things. Yep. They even said you can add, like, figures on your play field that come from the factory. You know how much I love my dolls. Hook me up, Robert. I need your dolls. So what do you think? Is that a fair price? Absolutely. Okay. Any kind of pinball under $7,000 is a fair price in my opinion. Okay. Yeah, it's Stern Pro price. So I think they saw that market and they said, and those games. But you also get the pin bar, which is something you would never get on a Stern anything. Well, I wouldn't say ever. But yeah, you're right. The pin bar alone, I think, is a really, really good idea to have on that early one. What's that? Are you laughing? For the 30 Razzas that have been ordered so far, thank you very much. Yeah, thanks for that, because I did forget about that. Only 25 or 30 have been ordered. Okay, wow.
    18:01
    And I don't think they really said how many of what type, because then they have the, basically it's an LE, essentially, and it's about the same price as this thing. I should just throw one on my credit card tonight, shall we? Let's do it. Let's order one. Let's just order it. Poor man's podcast exclusive. $9,500 Raza. Oh, yeah. Throw it on that old credit card. Who cares? So do you think they're starting to manufacture these things?
    18:27
    No. This is going to be a short show. I'm still waiting for them to, yeah, announce it. Show us the assembly line. Show us something. Even the Pinball Brothers have sent a photo on their Facebook page. Oh, that play field. Of all the play fields. Yeah, which is very cool. Very cool. I feel like they're already one step ahead. All we've seen so far is like one or two riders. Well, you know what? You have to give Pinball Brothers credit because you're right. That's a big deal. It is a big deal. They are going forward. Yes. They have like 50 play fields. I mean, they're – Their shit's getting like – they have dolls all printed up. They have parts. They have facehuggers and they got mechs.
    19:08
    How are they ahead of Deep Root right now? I don't know. No, it is – well, because they're getting help with the manufacturing, it sounds like. So to be fair, Deep Root, if they really wanted to, they could have went to an American Pinball or CGC and at least got Raza done for them. That's a tax write-off, right, Ian? Yeah, of course. Tax write-off, Four Man's Pinball Podcast, LLC, you know it.
    19:35
    Second we decided we were going to do this podcast, we had to LLC it because reasons. Yep. Everything's a write-off, right? All the blues. Our news is that Drew and I quit our jobs and we're doing this full time now. Yeah. I mean. We still don't know what we're doing. Nope. Just kidding. And we still don't know what a bit's worth. No, it's a penny, right? I think. Anyway, so let's keep going. Let's keep going. So I don't know. I'm excited about the Deep Roots stuff, man. I am. I actually was seriously contemplating getting one. I still am contemplating getting one. I think it'd be fun. I think I like the idea. I like the innovations. I like the art style. I actually like the look of the fish tank. I like a lot of it. Yeah, but would you? I'd get the big one, big white one. I like the lighted sides.
    20:21
    Would you get rid of Oktoberfest for that? No. Steve Bowden. Would you get rid of Laser War for that?
    20:28
    It's an easy trade, right? It's a one-to-one trade. But Steve Bowden today said something interesting. He said about DLC, downloadable content, okay? um picture a game let's name a game drew circus voltaire okay circus voltaire it has its rule set right it's the full game well steve bowden was hinting at the fact that they will do downloaded content and what will that do that will provide you with an entirely different game meaning same play field but every single rule that was in circus voltaire is now that's not in that it's all new now so it's a whole different game different rules set different ways to win different way to score basically an entirely coded game not something that they're adding on to circus voltaire but an entirely different game so for you old school to pay you know you buy it you'd buy an entire package so meaning what that means is basically you would have you would buy the game the deep root game right and then play the hell out of it get sick of it purchase the code and you'll get some longevity out of that see i could see he's thinking that particular model of dlc i could see stern doing that and the reason i say that is because stern has such an army of programmers right they're pumping out all this new code all the time and now if they could get paid for it they could even hire additional programmers right because it would be a new revenue source for them as a company. Because right now they're pumping out all this code for, I'm going to say, for free.
    22:14
    I like the idea. If that's the way they're going with it, I think it's fine. It's good. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. But you also kind of get on that slippery slope, though, where you might start penny-pinching people, potentially.
    22:29
    Well, if it's entire games, I like the idea. No, no, I agree with that. The addition to a game is an issue. If they get greedy and they start saying, okay, now, yep, we have this extra mode, and now this mode is... Well, that's a totally different thing. That's not what they were talking about. So a mode you wouldn't be on board with. Oh, I would hate it. Because that's some straight-up EA electronic arts downloadable content bullshit. Loot crate, whatever they call it. That's some garbage. That's releasing half of a game and then making you pay to release little bits at a time.
    23:02
    Okay. No, that's fair. That's fair. All right. So anyway. Keep in ball. I'm sorry. I have to read this. Keep in ball. Are you guys really a podcast anymore? I feel like you've turned into a Wayne's World show.
    23:17
    Man. We take a lot of cues from Wayne's World. You know, I don't know if that's maybe. Maybe. I thought about that actually the other day. I think about that a lot. But like I said, part of the issue is we – We're entertaining. That's the big issue. This is why you guys come here.
    23:40
    Fuck you, Shannon. Nope. But we're entertaining. No, but if we had more time to do show prep – If we could do this full time. Seven days a week. I'm sure the shows would be more polished and this and that. once again going back to the podcast days when ian spent how many hours did you spend editing average three hours a show okay so after we're done recording a show you know ian would typically spend an additional three hours you know making a sound halfway yes because some of those did not sound particularly great when we end them but we were able to fix some of it at least right so i don't know just a little behind the scenes so fuck it that's why we went live baby but to be To be compared to Wayne's World, kind of a badge of honor for me. Not bad. Sure. There's way worse things we could be. All right. So on to the news thing. The Deep Root thing. So what else do you – did you give us your opinion on the look of the limited edition cabinets? We didn't talk much about it. I mean, when it was released, I think we touched on it. Yeah. I think – With the lighted art blades and – I think they look great. The side art, I should say. And once again, I'm not big into cabinet art just because I'm one of those people who says, you know, you put them in between each other in a row. But you have that as a standalone unit That pretty awesome Like for you in your basement and you can see that like right now I looking at Oktoberfest you know the right side is exposed That would be awesome. Yeah, it would. But if you have a row of pins, obviously it's not as cool. But, no, very, very neat innovation. Absolutely. But, once again, can you make it?
    25:31
    You know, the same question keeps coming up. Can you manufacture this? Can you get them out the door? That's the one thing I am a little weary of. Because they have a track record of not.
    25:43
    I thought they were going to be done with the pre-order stuff. They wanted to have this shit already manufactured and out the door. Well, remember, they always touted that, right? It was like two weeks or something after we announced we're shipping in two weeks. Just bring on Goonies. I'm ready to pay for a Goonies. Limited edition. Sight unseen? Sight unseen. Get rid of Oktoberfest for that one? No, I'll just throw it on the credit card. Okay.
    26:06
    You keep saying that. Is your wife listening? She doesn't know what I do on that credit card. I know what you do on it. Hookers and blow.
    26:16
    Well, it does help beat down hookers and script the blow. I don't spend it on anything. All right. Anyway, cocaine dealers don't take credit cards. What do we got? What else? Twip news. Twip, twip. This is just one of those feel-good stories. Project Pinball. uh daniel spolar i think i'm saying that right spolar spolar um shout out he did something called love across america tour 2020 they dedicated seven machines in 14 days can we get some cheese slices um you know project pinball has been one of those charities ever since i got into seven pinballs uh seven cheese salute i just think it's such a cool thing for you guys who don't know they run a monthly uh charity auction raffle i should say not auction raffle um for brand new pinball machines and most if not all the money gets used for putting machines in children's hospitals across the country so very cool he's he gets all the accolades all the sides But yeah, super cool It's all these balls bouncing around Sorry, I'm done now So go to Project Pinball, check them out on Facebook We love me some Project Pinball They did something really cool They made one Wheelchair accessible They basically just cut the legs down Real short, where someone with a wheelchair could pull up and play the game. It was a Star Wars game. They had a fake Mark Hamill there. Very good cosplay. Yeah, he looked awesome. He looked like a slightly younger Mark Hamill. Yeah, not as attractive? No, it was like a 50-year-old Mark Hamill. And not as awesome as Mark Hamill, but still very cool. Is anyone as awesome as Mark Hamill? Mark Hamill has one of those lives, man. Just lived a life in the 80s. Who's cooler, Mark Hamill or Billy Mitchell?
    28:22
    Like, just oozing coolness. oh like yeah not not every no just who they are as a person yes billy mitchell okay billy mitchell it might be sacrilegious some of you guys billy mitchell kind of just has that it's back yeah it's crazy you i know you watch this guy but he's just always like i'm fucking billy mitchell yeah just yeah fucking piss excellence you know you know we need that I just piss excellence.
    28:54
    All right. Anyway. Oh, my God. Okay. So, yeah. So, great job, Project Pinball. You know what? I know a lot of people who have won those machines and those raffles, and everyone says that, oh, if you just keep playing, you'll win. And, like, you know how much money? I'm glad I gave it to Project Pinball, But I have bought so many of those goddamn raffle tickets. I have not. But it's cool. Yeah, it's all very cool. No, it's such a cool thing, and I'm glad they're doing it. It's very awesome. Yes. Super, super cool. Great shout out. Now, the soup du jour.
    29:34
    Soup of the day, kids. Stern put out a little teaser this week. Oh, my God. I'm so sick of teasers. Yeah. Show me your balls, Stern. I don't want to see the bulge. I want to see the balls.
    29:47
    very oddly put oh don't give me flashy lights and then just say led zeppelin i want to see the package okay complete package here's that thing right yeah show me all of it um i want to see something here's the thing uh we didn't even know what it was right because you know there were still rumors out there it might have been queen and that would have been did you just finish that whole fucking thing you greedy fuck all right jesus i want another one no fucking hey i better catch up catch up baby so anyways no i think it's cool it's confirmed now obviously yes we want to see something you know what's going to happen and like you know canada kept saying tomorrow because tomorrow is the 15th he was saying tuesday so we might we might see another video tomorrow like uh one of those quick videos that shows a little bit of the play field and you know what's gonna happen people are gonna see it and they're gonna be like did you see that pooling there did you see that no no they're gonna be like why aren't they smiling when they play the game they're not smiling when they're yeah it's the pinball supposed to be fun why aren't you smiling zach sharp well you know maybe the fucker wants to be badass okay playing a badass game so now that we know though led zeppelin as a theme would you be smiling oh fuck yeah i'm playing a brand new game i've never played this before you know but that's that's us we're in the fun this fucker For hours. Years, even. Apparently, some people aren't into fun. Me, I'm like... Yeah, that's not how you play pinball. I've seen your face. No, I'm like... What do I do? That's your face when you gotta poop.
    31:27
    He's seen it. That's the face while he is pooping. Seen it. Anyway, keep going. Led Zeppelin, are you excited about it as a theme? Nope. Because I know you're not a big music pin guy. I don't get the music pin guy. Are you a Led Zeppelin fan?
    31:44
    I mean, who isn't? Most kids under 30. Well, they're just, that's true. It's definitely an age issue there, isn't there? Can we get another old white guy theme, please? Most kids under 30 don't know who Led Zeppelin is. That's just the way it is. You know what's funny about that? Most kids under 30 probably wouldn't know what a naughty by nature pin is either. Yeah, that's true. No, there's a lot of that. I mean, even Guns N' Roses, I'm sure there's – Yeah, you know me. I'm sure there's – well, but we talked about Guns N' Roses. They're here in, like, sports events and all kinds of things, so they're at least familiar with – Oh, they made a pinball machine based on stadium sounds. Yeah, pretty much. That was a song we heard at the baseball game. Yeah. No, that's true. But, no, I'm excited about it because I do like the music pins. I think most of them have done pretty well. And then, you know, I realized something today when I was thinking about this.
    32:39
    Stern has only really made, now correct me if I'm wrong, chat, and I'm sure you will because you guys hate me today. They already said you're wrong. I just checked. This is going to be tough. So Stern has only made two modern music pins since they've changed to the LCD, right? Sorry, I'm reading chat here. Okay, keep going. So Stern made Aerosmith because that was the first Spike 2 game. Yep. And then they made the Beatles.
    33:09
    Is there another? Well, Iron Maiden. ACDC? No, that was DMD. Oh, was it? Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, Iron Maiden. Okay, so that's three. Am I missing one, guys? Iron Maiden I still don't consider. No, I don't either. Isn't that funny? No, I – well, that was my point about Metallica too. I don't think – That's definitely – no, here's the difference between the two. i have zero zero iron maiden knowledge so that could have been just music done for that okay metallica music is very metallica and that's why that is a metallica game it is now it is that's exactly why it's a metallica game it's very metallic music you even changed the music on your pen i did yep exactly music pins suck oh wow hard take no it's not it's normal most people don't like them most people i think everyone's on my side okay uh chat you have you have a new heel here his name is ian eat him alive whatever i know you just said i hate music pins and half the world thinks they're shitty yeah they're all with me most of them anyway okay chat is good chat prove me wrong you're gonna wait thanks chat uh thanks chat uh so yeah no i i don't i don't care for him i don't think it's a good thing to own because you get sick of the music it's very repetitive yeah but we're kind of back to the argument if you have a game you know where you only have one path of play you know as in like like uh bram stroker's uh dracula there's really one thing to do in that game stoker stroker stroke over here stoker it is stokers all right uh you know there's really only one path to play that game like you set up the multi balls try to get to three multi balls that's what you do right yes so isn't that repetitive yeah it's repetitive that's why that game's not great either okay keep going you'll figure out a way to best me today is Monster Bash a music pin? The whole point is to play their song, right? Monsters of Rock. Yeah, but it's not a music pin.
    35:19
    Yeah, see, that's the thing. It's still repetitive. Okay. Good game, but it's repetitive. Here's the thing. All those games, the whole point usually is to play more of that band's music, get them on stage, or to rock out harder. And the problem is when you rock out harder to the same music over and over again it gets repetitive is there a band that you would be like don't even start no there's there's not even a band okay naughty by nature there that's it okay so you you would consider a naughty by nature pin yeah pretty much okay interesting weird ale weird ale that would be fun though i'd take a weird ale yeah oh no actually many people have mentioned that over the years that would be fun oh yeah yeah do you know weird ale always gets permission first before he does a spoof yes how cool is that no it is he and he's like a legit musician he plays all the instruments man's a genius there was one story bizarro but where he called um uh sir paul mccartney and the only reason paul told him he couldn't do it was because he was doing a song about eating meat and he's a vegetarian so so paul mccartney said yeah you can do any song i want or any song you want of my library, but you can't talk about eating meat. So, but yeah, no, it is cool. And Weird Al also, another fun fact. What? Sorry. I'm just seeing chat. Okay. I believe he's the only artist that has received a Grammy in something like four decades. Oh, really? No, I'm not kidding. Weird Al! My man! He got a Grammy in the 80s, the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s. All right. That's pretty fucking cool. But anyways, go ahead. No, that's not how you get caught up with chat here. Let's read some of these. Should we just go to happy hour because we're just in chat? No, no. Okay, we'll go in the happy hour. This is chat time, guys. We're going to get into the chat. It's Poor Man Pinball Podcast happy hour, which can only mean through deep thought and self-reflection We go to the viewers' comments.
    37:55
    Stern can make more for... Because Stern, like say the pro model, they'll have more pros done next year than JJP is probably going to do in their entire run. They're going to eventually have to reset next year for the next game. Yes. So they're just not going to get it. It's a volumes thing. JJP is not a manufacturer like Stern. However, I think the clear consensus, without even looking at Led Zeppelin,
    38:19
    Guns N' Roses is the better pin. Yes. We're not even looking at Led Zeppelin. We know Guns N' Roses is probably going to kick Led Zeppelin's ass. Yes, but I've talked to a few people that have played Guns N' Roses quite a bit now, and once again, what I think is true, and I'm a Guns N' Roses fan, and I definitely want to get my hands on that game, is that from a pinball perspective, it's just not as, you know, there's not as many shots, it's not as flowy, it's just, you know, it's a great experience. Right. And it's supposed to be a show. Yes, the sounds and the lights. No, there's no way Stern will even come close to that stuff. The amount of crap they put in there is impressive. Because even Willy Wonka, that's another great example. If you didn't like Willy Wonka, you couldn't stand over that thing and be like, holy shit, this thing just looks great. And while it's being played, it's awesome. Especially when you compare it to the launch of Black Knight at the same time. Yeah, Black Knight versus Wonka. It wasn't apples to apples. However, the four other titles that Stern released definitely outsold Wonka by miles. And Willy Wonka wasn't as much in the discussion about Game of the Year. Because they didn't make enough. All right, so let's go to the next one. Drew's face is pretty red.
    39:40
    Triple the amount. Led Zeppelin based on price is my guess, yeah. Well, yeah, you can get the pro for six grand. Somebody said, Cavalier said pass on Led Zeppelin. Yeah, that's... Well, and how about this, guys? You can get the premium for the same price as the Guns N' Roses standard. All right, Tim. Stern will sell triple the amount. Underground pinball. Good question. I'll go with Stern. I love you. Fuck the rest.
    40:07
    Iron Maiden, Jay Sellers. Aerosmith was fun. It's all Metallica. It is Metallica. See, I told you. Metallica, Metallica. I love them all. Well, Glenn loves everything. Glenn, the skateboarder. Listen, buddy.
    40:21
    You do love all pinball. And I'm not saying I don't love pinball. I'm just talking about the ownership factor of keeping these in your home for the long term. It just doesn't happen very well with music. Yeah, but you've got idiots like me that recycle games like they recycle their underwear. I change it at least once a week.
    40:41
    We need a ZZ Top pin. I would disagree. I totally agree with that one. ZZ Top would probably get my money. Jesse J., no. Y'all know how I feel about music pins. Jessie J.
    40:56
    She's from Texas. Apparently. Love music pins for six months. Tim, see? Yeah. All right. I don't know ZZ Top Pin. Michael Williams. Nice. I love them all. Just better with ABBA music in them.
    41:11
    That's Dr. John. Let's see. Iron Maiden. Wait. Is my exception to the rule? Yep. Well, we talked about that. Iron Maiden is not a band pin, and a lot of that has to do with it was Alwyn's Archer. That game was not Iron Maiden. I love how they play, but I wouldn't want one with repetitive music. And I think that's from a... Okay, but I'm going to argue again. Isn't all music in pinball? Don, get a better name. What's that? That's Rachel. I know. It's very hard. Yeah. Rachel, I get it. uh every music every pinball machine has repetitive music uh let's see you bested drew already with speed drinking thank you dr john that's true what do you think about the alice cooper's nightmare castle not a music pin that is a nightmare see that's that's another one too that's a very interesting no i don't consider that a music pin it is amazing because you go through the nightmare castle has nothing to do with the music but music just can i give you accentuate an accent. I kind of want to expand my stance on what a music pen is. Oh, no, you can't do that. Best music pen ever, Dr. John. Absolutely. By Ian's logic, every pen is repetitive.
    42:27
    Michael Williams, you're on to me. Thank you, Michael Williams. Michael Williams, you get the cheat slice of the day. That's a new thing I just started. Cheat slice of the day goes to Michael Williams. That's not true. October 5th is not repetitive. Weird Al, Dr. John. Yes, question mark. All right. The goal to ACDC is to play a different song the whole time. So ACDC and Rolling Stones, they have actual music notes on the play field. Pinball Doc, 21 songs, two repetitive, GNR. That's a good point. That is a good point. And the other thing about GNR that's different than a lot of these, it doesn't just play them until they're done.
    43:07
    You're going through the modes. What? Sam, Weird Al would have like 500 songs. That's true. Weird Al could have a ton. Oh, shit. Ian is a negative Nancy. Thanks, Glenn. Oh, man, that's terrible. Not Amish. Jesse J., I'd rather pour spiders into my butthole than play an ABBA pin.
    43:30
    Glenn, oh, Glenn, coolio. Jesse J., I have to ask, how does one pour spiders into one's butthole? It's a funnel system you wouldn't understand. Only us cool people know. Thank you, Tiki Pinball, for the 100 bets. So what are you guys? Let's scroll all the way down. Maybe I'll just buy a jukebox with a funnel, obviously. I'm invited to your house. Oh, all right. So let's – a lot going on. A lot going on. See, Jesse knows me. Got to get it gapped first.
    43:58
    Yikes. Glenn, son of a gun, Fliptronic, and only with funnel spiders. Yes, that's true. So what do you guys want to talk about? I mean, it's your happy hour. um but yeah we can go back and forth about the music pin thing i well listen gameplay yes gets repetitive but do you want gameplay and all the music to be what what is your so iron manes one of your favorite music pins right yeah because i don't yeah exactly okay so like if you're just if you have if you have based on a band yes yeah you have all 10 of them lined up or 12 or 15 of them lined up you're gonna gravitate towards iron maiden probably the shots are the key beatles would be a close second i saw a guy on facebook um he's in the midwest pinball whatever and he had his thing he's like ready for led zeppelin and he had metallica acdc kiss um arrow smith and i think one other one oh shit yeah so he you know obviously he's a rock fan he's one of the few yeah and he he just had them all and it looked like those were his only pins you know he just had them all he's the rocks yeah and he's like and i get it but think about it all those pins i mentioned those are all solid games though yeah they really are like you know stern stern has done a great service with that i do agree maybe you know people keep talking about these other ones that haven't been done motley crew that one might be chad talked about it sure who chat someone in chat oh they said chad i'm like who's chad chad talked about it chad chad we're just gonna call you chad from now on all the collective you is chad let's talk about what breed hold on let's talk about what breed of spiders to use on jesse j dr john we're not gonna go into that we're getting into butthole spiders no that's just uh that's an australian thing they got more than one we only have like one here yeah it's just an annoying eyes are just called spiders yeah they have spiders uh you guys have like 13 different ones that can kill you um let's see here flip tronic well i see i'll joke anything's a butthole whatever if you're brave enough uh guardians has great music see i can get behind that absolutely well yeah but well there again that's a movie pin that just happens to have the 80s music that's really cool cavalier wants to know if your turtles is done no zach needs to get back to me i i actually asked him last week and he's like oh yeah i forgot about that i'll call stern and i'll get back to you no jack's awesome he's shit he he gave me a free game to play i know yeah i'm playing i'm playing avengers so i'm making jokes but guess what every night i turn on avengers and i'm like this is awesome rachel stop being a chad okay she's like isn't being a chad the opposite of being called a karen as i say it's it's kind of like a karen shut up chad yeah rachel we love you if there's anyone in chat whose name is chad sorry you're a chad uh next silver ball swag item poor man's pinball podcast spider dildo get yours here first kids oh my god we're we're dissenting into madness oh because we are in fact here to fuck spiders jesse j jesse j j sober probably at work yeah Are you brave enough to talk about this on your podcast? Motherfucker. I'm going to get another cocktail. You want to get a cocktail? Yes. Should we do a cocktail break? Let's do a cocktail break. We'll be right back, guys.
    47:43
    Thank you. All right, and we're back. You didn't break us, Jesse J. I saw that shit. You can't break this.
    49:56
    That was actually pretty funny. All right, so that is either a small splatter on a large butthole or what do you think?
    50:07
    All right, so anyway, Tim, how are you feeling out there, man? Are you surviving, Tim? I feel like this has been extremely dirty for you, buddy. I am so sorry I sure you are not going to be talking about this in church tomorrow Well Amy will be but he won Amy are you out there Mistress Anne we miss you Mistress Anne. All right, so you guys want to talk about anything else before we wrap up? Happy hour. It's been a good happy hour, guys. We talked about spider buttholes and how much you guys think I suck and my face is red and Chad's. How many spiders could fit inside a butthole? Like, the buttholes are very small. Well, first, I wonder what's inside your butthole. Could it be spiders? We still have to find the answer to that. Maybe it's aliens. Maybe it's spiders. It could be spider aliens. Spider aliens? Jesus. All inside your butthole. Robot aliens, spiders.
    50:59
    Annie, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay, Annie? Where is Pete? I don't know where Pete is. Who's Pete?
    51:07
    One hunter spider? No, aren't those those things that are like six feet? Sorry. Jesse, do you guys live with the hunter spiders? Right? Those are those big ones? Yeah.
    51:23
    They hunt like people. All right. So what are we going to do next, Drew? All right. That's it for Happy Hour. Guys, send your questions, your Happy Hour questions to poormanspinball at gmail.com. We will answer all questions.
    51:36
    We will. Oh, you know what? We should have a question and answer segment. Happy hour, baby. We get cocktails. We drink. We talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about. But now we're going to get a little more serious. We're going to have our first live love letter. Love letter. Ooh. Letters.
    51:52
    Drew, how do you feel about your love letter, buddy? Ryan C. Thanks, Ryan C. Bye. For your information, you're both cunts. Bye. All right. Thanks, Ryan C. Thanks for stopping in. I love you, man. splash on some high karate lay down on the shag carpet right by that fireplace because it's time for love letters all right so guys i have not figured out how to play the love letter song in the background without it echoing slightly so you guys are just gonna have to get over it drew do you want to go first i'll go first all right tell me when you're ready buddy now for those of you new to the show welcome we love you we do um love letters is probably our oldest segment it was something that i thought up when i was drunk and we did that week two i think week two or three it was one of the early ones so we had about five listeners and two of them said it was great and three of them we one of them was ken cromwell we didn't hear from ken ever again no those those first three listeners we never ever heard from ever again so um love letters is basically a segment that we just fuck around and like usual most of our segments are that's gonna say do we have a segment where we don't fuck around um our show is about fucking around um but no love letters is a tongue-in-cheek sexy poem or letter that we write to somebody in the pinball industry somebody something it's usually extremely dirty and derivative yeah it's it's like you know we make fun of some stuff we but yeah but we also love some stuff yeah i love it we love it too hard i even did i did a poem one time i did a poem as well yeah we have haven't we there's been a few poems okay all right you ready buddy i'm ready all right to my dearest deep root you have been seducing me with your good looks and many, many promises. You have broken a few of those promises in the past, and you leave me a bit skeptical of where to go from here.
    54:02
    I really want to make this work. However, you are going to have to prove your worth and show me the goods.
    54:08
    I have been hurt in the past by other companies who have taken my money and couldn't deliver on their empty promise.
    54:14
    Please, please, J-Pop, don't make me beg. I want your sweet machine inside my house. I really, really want this non-refundable deposit to work.
    54:31
    I would say take it slow. But it's been a long five years waiting for you to just get down with spiders in my butthole.
    54:43
    I will stand by you for one more go and wait just a little while longer. While you get your goddamn shit together. get it together man get it together thank you deep root i love you that was sexy all right so here we go my love letter dear deep roots atomic adventure zombie land park or as we call it raza we didn't plan this folks i think you are without a doubt one of the prettiest machines I have ever seen since Guns N' Roses.
    55:28
    You're like the stepsister of pinball. Well, mostly the stepsister you see in those Pornhub videos that gets stuck helplessly under a table with her butt in the air. I know I shouldn't, but I just want to. Sure, everybody in the family will be really weirded out about it. Maybe the cops might get called. but people may even question my morality but i'm all in baby i'll dive under that table or on top of that table however the hell it works and i will enjoy my time playing me some raza your uninspired toys and games totally inspire my penis just like that awkward time in homeroom where the teacher was taking roll call and my penis raised his hand instead of me Guys, you know what I'm talking about. Your weird entertainment system looking back box is all stacked in the right way. I think it's sexy, sophisticated, and shows high levels of R&D. Like it must have took a real freaking genius to learn how to stack like that.
    56:38
    Roz, I've never wanted a pin bar so badly and so close to my penis before. I was always worried about cell phones in my pocket frying my white wet soldiers. But looking at that pin bar, I know that it's going to be like a nuke to my ball sack.
    57:00
    Get it together again. So satisfied. So ready to experience Radio Land Zombie Carnival, or as I like to call it, RLZC.
    57:15
    I'm going home, kids. That was the mic job, folks. Oh, that was awesome. Way to go, Ian. Oh, my God.
    57:23
    So that, once again, for you guys who maybe are not familiar with us, that is what we call love letters. We do that once a month or so. It was our first live one. I think that went pretty well. Oh, my God.
    57:37
    I'm hot and bothered, guys. uh ian has the world record for the most time saying penis in a single love letter that was pretty good i was proud of that writing it it read like this i love you penis penis penis i totally loved you and my penis penis hello twitch are we still on hey we haven't gotten a single warning from twitch so i think we're good guys that is true That is very true. All right. So that, kids, was love letters. So Pinhead Cam says, Deep Root is slutty. Yes, they are. Deep Root can be. They are. Like, they're fucking dick teases. They're like the stepsister that's stuck under a table.
    58:23
    Jesse J says, Robert Mueller was wrong. Pinball isn't easy. Pinball is hard. It's so hard. Glenn just says, take off your pants and jacket. my son came down and asked why you keep saying penis tim you unknowingly just had the best uh line in chat today you guys uh tim's son is what tim he's like 17 18 that's great his teenager comes down and like Ian's just like, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis. And Tim's like, ah, I'm just watching the poor man.
    59:06
    Oh, my God. What has happened to this show? This show used to be about the pinball man. You've changed.
    59:19
    It's too good. I'm having so much fun. Shit, that was funny. True story. Why is he talking about his penis too much? I don't know. I was washing the dishes and the inspiration came to me and I had to write it down. My wife's known Ian for 15 years. She's been asking that question for 15 years.
    59:35
    Why is Ian always talking about his penis? Now, for the record, I have not talked about my penis a lot on this show. So, come on. Episode 84? We're doing all right. Okay.
    59:47
    Hang on. I think, Pinhead Cam, is this a joke? Do you know why Ian wears a kilt? Is there a punchline there? If there is, I want to know.
    59:55
    Why do I wear a kilt? I have never worn a kilt in public, if that's what you're asking. So much talk about so little? Is that the punchline? If it is, then beautiful.
    60:07
    Way to go, Pinhead Cam. I'm watching you, Pinhead Cam. I'm watching you. You might be a tribe member today. A day. You're on fire today. That's pretty good. Unless you're a tribe member already. Are you a tribe member, Pinhead Cam? Yeah, we're still learning. Give us your name. All right. so here we go um what do we got next we got glenn we got a podcast of genius we do have yep why don't we just play that for the fine folks out there again if you're just joining us why now we're at 84 episodes you had 83 chances uh thank you drew um but if you were not listening to the last three episodes already um because this will be episode four glenn has been just putting on a fucking clinic on uh the podcasts are out there in the form of a real podcast of genius so glenn tim thank you again here we go the next level of rock poor man's tribe presents designers of genius today we salute you mr bmx riding bar singing pinball designer who wants the best license themes you've been getting the best franchise games since christopher Frenchie was crowd surfing in metal concerts. Slapping on mascara. Standard layout. You don't endo OTB. You crank a 180 tail up and tweak a new design with a center bash toy that you love more than 90s grunge rockers silver chair. And it's very hard to drink. John Borg. While other designers give us standard left outlanes, you insist on giving us, I want to break things you no good piece of shit fucking outlane. How am I going to notice that bomb? So keep those spinning discs and handlebars whirling, old lord of the license, because us poor men can't get enough of your style. And if I always train down the left-out lane...
    62:24
    Poor Man's Tribe presents Designers of Genius. Designers of Genius Today we salute you, Mr. BMX riding bar singing pinball designer John Ford works for Sturt Pinball Who wants the best licensed themes? You've been getting the best franchise games since Christopher Frenchy was crowd surfing in metal concerts Slapping on mascara Standard layout? You don't endo OTB You crank a 180 tail up and tweak a new design with a center bash toy That you love more than 90s grunge rockers silver chair And it's very hard to drink John Borg, while other designers give us standard left out lanes, you insist on giving us, I want to break things you no good piece of shit fucking out lane. How am I going to notice that, Borg? So keep those spinning discs and handlebars whirling, old lord of the license, because us poor men can't get enough of your style. And if I always train down the left out lane. uh glenn and tim you guys really outdid yourself this week because everyone knows how much of a borg fan i am and all that stuff is 100 accurate like great themes yep great great themes but great layouts uh turtles guardians metallica fucking left out lane it's just fuck all the time every day but yeah so much fun all day that was just great you know what we need to send that to John Borg we're going to send it tonight make a note in our poor man's pinball notes wrote it down it's on video if that doesn't get Borg to respond to us then he still won't respond to us Borg are you listening? Borg I got nothing borg are you in chat are you are you really gleno 570 i know he's uh oh man who is it yeah he's penhead penhead cam um so what do you have anything uh pinball news related you want to talk about before we kind of get in this the last call here head cam is tish hi tish oh tish hey you're already a tribe member there's a reason why we love you God damn that's great That kilt joke was off the hook That just needs to go on the tribe page Got it Okay So what else we got on our list We have Like I said if you don't have anything else We're all set for last call Last call So The heavy slurring And incoherent babbling Can only mean one thing It's time for last call our last call is basically our mail call uh we have fantastic uh some fantastic emails to read you and we actually got a package in the mail and you know how we love our big packages so drew um this is actually from martin uh listener number 15 dance tribe member number two or something he's he's up there in the tribe member membership there you go and have fun with opening that package drew drew drew drew all right he's opening it very carefully he's cutting away from himself cutting away cutting away the switchblade is extremely dull so don't worry about cutting yourself it's like a letter opener uh that's what i use it for and you go to a swap meet and they see a guy selling a lot of knives and swords ask for a letter opener they will give you a switchblade so little unknown fact about switchblade did you tell them who this is from yes this is from martin uh listen number 15 who recently went from he moved from florida to wisconsin this is the worst switchblade in the history of switchblade I don't know I bet I could stab you with it and you'll be okay with it we have a letter here it says poor men I like where this is going aww so I'm sure there's money in here because we're very poor he gave us a card this is awesome a card an actual card aww so we got the abominable snowman so there's Mary on there yep wishing you lots of happiness this holiday season aww And it's got what I'm assuming is Martin and Jennifer, his lovely wife.
    67:02
    Merry Christmas, poor men. Now you can say there is one gentleman in the poor man's studio. Martin, listener 15, tribe member number two. And what a gentleman. We're all gentlemen here, right? I love it. This is going...
    67:19
    Perfect. Sorry, Martin. Perfect. All right, Drew is opening the box. We have everlasting Gobstoppers. You know, that's the gift that just keeps on giving, folks. That never dies. That is beautiful. That never dies.
    67:42
    We have packaging material that Drew is throwing on my floor. That looks like a legit package. What do we got there, Drew? All right, so we have, if you're listening, blue tape wrapping of a bunch of bubble wrap. Lots of bubble wrap. It's a rectangular package, and it's making all sorts of liquidy noises, so I'm guessing I know what this could be. It sounds like my gut the day of Expo. It sounds like my gut every Tuesday. Blub, blub, blub, blub, blub. So let's, uh, ooh, there's some serious bubble wrap. Lots of bubble wrap. He wants to make sure this thing is fucking, fucking protected. All right. Okay. Is this the most exciting shit you guys have ever seen? It's an unboxing video. Box of spiders? Booze?
    68:37
    Helicon is the best around. Look at that. Gentleman Jack. Oh, he is one of the gentlemen of the tribe. Now the joke makes sense. The only gentleman in the building. That is awesome. Martin, I am a huge fan of Gentleman Jack. My hat's off to you. That is good stuff. Gentleman Jack kicks regular Jack's ass. Definitely. I love Gentleman Jack. That shit is good. You don't need any kind of mixer with this. And if you mix with this, that's a no-go for you. No, that's a sipping whiskey. Oh, thank you very much, Martin. Yes, we appreciate it. God bless you, brother. Gentleman Jack, nice Christmas card, holiday card.
    69:17
    You got it there, Chief. I don't know. I'm stretching. All right, there we go. Gentleman Jack, thank you so much, Martin. um martin we got to get together dude now that you're in wisconsin yeah we'll meet halfway he used to be literally 24 to 30 hours away now he's like an hour is it three two yeah we could meet him in an hour if we both drove i'm sure yeah no madison maybe do some pinball madison we could do that yeah that'd be kind of cool that'd be ideal so martin we love you sir thank you martin my hat would be off to you if i didn't have uh and i would i would raise a toast but i'm out again i drank to fill it up with gentleman jack i'm getting there man oh you're like halfway all right so that's a pretty amazing are you okay there dude i'm just laughing at you buddy i know it all right so let's go into some of our emails we had some nice emails this week so much talk about so little every week who said that tish tish you know every time tish you just You just beat me down. Yep. All right. So here we go. All right. So, Tish, this is somebody who would disagree with you. Okay. This is from JR.
    70:27
    JR, love the show. Okay. Shotgunned all episodes over a few months. I really like the mix of material. Thank you, JR. I'm trying to remember a great quote. Something like, you're only ever a day away from a Kessler's hangover. Yeah. That was true. You know what? Like, I was reading this the other day. Was that the quote? That was really close. That's really close. Because I remember we said a few things like that. I was like, I have to remember. That was one of our earlier episodes? No, I don't think it was that long. I think it was on one of our live shows. Okay. Yeah. Oh, my God. Or something like that. Great stuff. I'm emailing because I just paid my invoice to flip it out for an AIQ Pro. I had to look that up. I could not think of it. Avengers Infinity Quest. Yep, I didn't know that was what we were going to do. We're learning a pinball podcast person. I thought it would be just AI, but apparently there must have been something taken. Yeah. Or AQ. But Avengers Infinity Quest Pro and told Zach I ordered from them because of the great plugs you guys have given Flippin' Out. Hope that helps your cause. Seems good for your sponsors to know that they are reaching buyers. Carry on, gentlemen. I shall dream of sugar plums and try membership one day, JR. Thank you, JR. This message was not coerced, but yeah, Flippin' Out Pinball is the place where you should go get your new and Chinese. I will be very candid about Flippin' Out. When we met Zach, we met Zach first time when we played Wonka. He was in line for Wonka at NGC, and he was very nice. And then we got to really know him. Drew knew him really good at Expo. And you know what? He is a good dude. Good dude. um and uh i you know when he when he took over don't let his singing put you off when he took over flipping out i was i wouldn't say hesitant but i was like oh this is very interested i was intrigued and uh but boy he pretty much kills it in the customer service department he he walks the walk he does so every you know if you have any hesitations don't um you know him and nicole will help you out they'll walk you through the whole process and if you have issues afterwards he'll definitely help you with that he'll take your game and dump off a game and steal your game and never get it back just kidding oh okay i don't know what this is but let's just read this one carlos over at pod status yeah i saw that it's like he's like a you know it's it's a pod ranking system podcast thing your podcast poor man's pinball podcast has good performance in some rankings the last 30 days. I'm not going to read all the rankings, but they're number one in the United States, Sweden, Netherlands, Canada, and Australia. We were number two in Australia right behind Jesse Jay's Pinball Adventures. Yeah, well, actually, it's all the games category. All right, Australia, we're 197. But you know what?
    73:23
    We're not even Australians. But there's thousands and thousands of podcasts. It's very cool. Thank you very much, Carlos, for letting us know that one. um let's see dr john sent this uh or no i'm sorry this isn't dr john uh because he says i live in portland oregon john are you a hipster all right so he said uh this is from john love you guys even drunk drew ian what's drunk drew's nickname andy drandy nips who good questions all of them but drew doesn't actually have a nickname because that fucker is always drunk he's drew his real name's andrew or andy that's his whole family calls him andy that's all of his old friends drew has a very very good timeline it's up until high school he was andy after high school he turned into drew and i could i could really say your line i could read off his phone number so he made his phone number up i won't do the phone phone number but it's something something drew i mean you can get more douchebag so you can go to the bar and tell the ladies hey It's 585 Drew.
    74:30
    Ridiculous. Yeah, so he doesn't have a nickname. His nickname is Drew. Yeah, so that number, because they asked me when I went to go get this number. I've had the same number for over 20 years now. And they said, oh, is there any particular number? And then, you know, my name, four letters, and it worked out. So here we are.
    74:50
    Douchey as ever. Drew has gotten a lot better with age, by the way. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He's the farthest thing from a douche. Yeah.
    74:59
    I wouldn't say the farthest, but farther than I was. All right, Brian Thomas. He's a tribe member, number 13. Tribe member. We haven't heard from him in a while. Hello, gents. See, he still thinks we're gentlemen. Brian Thomas, tribe member, number 13 here. I caught your last episode about the creature for the Black Lagoon. As a creature owner, I absolutely loved the history lesson. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. That was a good one, by the way. Thank you. I really appreciate that I absolutely love the history lesson you mentioned Paul the sound guy calling Jeff the programmer a weenie I attached a sound file for your listening pleasure It almost sounds like he's saying Joe, but after listening carefully, I can hear the Jeff. So I got it right here. Let's play it. Jeff, you are a weenie.
    75:47
    I'd like Ian to get this game someday. Although in a small collection, it might be a little stale. It's definitely a looker, though. There's so many mods for it. Although some of them, like the Mike D mod, are impossible to find, you can also go totally Drew style and put cool dolls on it, like old cars that light up, film reels, scuba divers, popcorn buckets, etc. One of you buttholes, please send me your address because we have some swag to send your way. Take care and keep up the good work. I'm sorry I'm not able to catch your live streams. as they happen to be, happen, but being on the West Coast, I am still at work when they come. Oh, well. I sent them our address, and we'll be looking forward to that package. Yeah. Brian, thank you so much, sir. We really appreciate you, brother. Yeah, so, and that is what I have for our emails. Drew, do you have anything else? No. Anything on Facebook? No, that was, I thought it was cool to get some of those messages, and remember, guys. Some of that at boys is always nice. It keeps us going. Yeah, poormanspinball at gmail.com. He bounces off the chat and those assholes. So we love your chat. Don't worry. All right. Yeah, let's read chat. Does he actually listen, calling you guys gentlemen? Question mark. Thank you, Michael Williams. Oh, what did you think?
    77:05
    Sorry, Jeff Klangun is asking, is that a map of Ireland on the wall? No. Nope. Sorry. On the wall, that is Germany. That's Munich. Deutschland. Yeah. That's basically the Munich area. And then it's basically got a cool... Here, I'll show you.
    77:22
    The last time I had whiskey and tacos, I almost had a blowout on my way home. Yeah, that happens sometimes. Bam! Or not at all. Eh, whiskey and tacos is always a good combo.
    77:35
    Uh-oh, Ian's showing off some stuff. We have the bar cam, folks. Live bar cam! Jesus. This is the part of the episode. goes off the rails.
    77:50
    Deutschland. All the breweries. We now get a tour of the Deutschlands. All right. Now we're going to see it.
    78:05
    Drew, turn it to the live button. And we're back. That was exciting. Woo! All right. So that's all I have today. Drew, do you have anything? No, I think we covered a lot of ground today. We did do very, very well. I will say, without a doubt, one of my favorite episodes. Not really. It's okay. So there's been some stuff in chat where some people are joking about not hearing pinball stuff. Pinball stuff. Just email us, poormanspinball at gmail.com. Let us know if you like the looser format or if you want something a little more polished and tightened up. No, you don't.
    78:47
    There we go. Thank you, Flip It Out, for being a great sponsor of the show. Flip It Out Pinball. Call Zach. Call Nicole. Get your games. They help us out big time on this show, so we have to up our game on the Flip It Outside because we have to understand that they kick some serious ass and really do help us out.
    79:09
    And then, let's see, Michael Williams. No polish. Thank you, Michael. I appreciate it, brother. I like the no polish. I like when we can just polish each other's knobs while we're doing the show we have full on families we don't have time for polish what if everyone said polish we'd be like well we're done yeah I'd be like sorry I was just being kind alright so anyway thank you everyone go listen to Zach at the pinball network there's a lot of polish there oh my god the pinball network definitely let's hit up some chat here before we get out of here sure all right is that a map of ireland on the wall damn it we just did that um absolute madness if true stern always uh sells out of their le's to distributors they cannot get enough that's yeah well 500 of them with with what stern sells i mean 500 is nothing so yeah they'll easily unload those and led zeppelin i'm sure uh zach actually said today flipping out pinball you can call him up maybe try to get on the list but i think his list is full for the alleys already yeah they sold out of the at least is what they're talking about well they say sell out i mean that the lists are full you know people still gotta pay so yeah jesse j you still even before the picks yeah dude people are fucking dumb well no it's not even that i i'm sorry i'm unfair that's hey man like i just said earlier you know give me my money when it comes to the uh you know, Goonies, you know, the meat route. If the theme speaks to you, hey, I'm never going to hurt you or fault you for picking up a game that you love. Most LEs from Stern in recent memory have held their value pretty well.
    80:51
    Munsters didn't do that great, you know, and you were still able to get some new in box after a while. But, like, you know, stuff like Deadpool and Jurassic Park and, you know, they just they tend to hold their value people want them and there's only 500 of them pinhead cam has said drew is aging well you're aging well dude uh do you know do you know how old i am still handsome what if what if i'm what if i'm 20 and i look like this that'd be terrible uh jesse j ian i forgot to say i played my first creature this week and congrats congrats oh that's good game jesse j how'd you like it does he actually listen calling you guys gentlemen that's funny Oh, what did you think? Okay, let's get back.
    81:32
    Oh, spiders are creatures, right? Jesse J., that's not cool. Spiders are creatures. Let's see. We are buttholes, not assholes. This is true. Thank you, Tish. Anyone been watching Man in the High Tower talking about Germany? My wife loved that show. I watched the first season. First season I liked. It's very good. Yep.
    81:55
    Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to keep watching. I didn't. I stopped after the first. Yeah. I lost interest. It was clever, but yeah. So hated the shadow they had there. That's because you're playing Ryan C's great shadow, Jesse J.
    82:11
    I want to get my hands on a shadow. So here, real quick, guys. As long as we're doing this and I'm – Nope, keep it real. No polish. I love it. Great idea. We definitely do not want a tighter format. So you guys – Jesse J., I know what you did there. I am – Keep the spiders out, though. I'm talking. No one's listening, as always. Sorry. Love you guys.
    82:32
    I'm thinking of shaking up my collection again. Jesus Christ. Are you guys listening to this shit? You just got three new games like this year. That's not true. That's partially true. That's true. I did get what I get. I got Spider-Man. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Did you get Jurassic Park? I got that last year. Really? I've actually had that a while, yeah.
    82:56
    Okay. Yeah. That one's a last year purchase. What should I get? But here's the criteria, okay? Glenn, good night. You're already gone, I'm sure. I want to get something that's not so modern. I want a 90s game. I told you. I've been telling you that for years.
    83:18
    Okay, and what should I get? Pinball profiles here. 25, question mark. Pinball profile. How you doing, sir?
    83:24
    90s game. any williams game right you guys love williams yes get a shadow drew yeah we want a shadow absolutely shadows on the list shadows one of them that potentially all right so anyway that's good that's that's that's up the energy because pinball profiles here i'm getting a little nervous actual pinball royalty we're not worthy again it's the balls right anyway i just want to say 90s pins that are kick-ass um because you have a decent sized collection i would say shadow would be very high on the list yep obviously indiana jones would be amazing but that was that's unattainable expensive i'm showing with the idea of of for just getting an attack from mars special edition attack from mars would be amazing um you play the shit out of a monster best so you would definitely wouldn't want that i don't know about medieval madness for attack from mars i'm more of an attack from mars guy i when i first got into the hobby it was medieval madness or bust and now i wouldn't even consider it i love i love attack from mars too much um so i would also say what else what else what other good games but i'm obviously i'm partial to creature um i like twilight zone if it's available but again, not worth the money that they're asking. No, not. No, I'm in the $3,000 to $5,000 range. So that's where Shadow's in that sweet spot. Yes. But they're hard to get. That's the problem. They are.
    84:57
    Yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at. I still have Swords of Fury on my radar. Okay. Swords of Fury is a badass game, man. I'm also thinking, yes. We had a lot of fun playing that one. Yep, System 11. Maybe a taxi. Well, Taxi would be not a 90s game, but I mean... No, I know. I would want to restore one of those. Oh, yeah. Oh, we're talking restoration, yeah. Yeah, I might... Here's what I want to do. So I'm shaking it up, right? I want to get a game like The Shadow to play, and then I want to get a game to... I'm going to get rid of Meteor, probably sell it once it's done, and then pick up another restoration project. How about Tails from Arabian Nights? That's up there. Yeah, that'd be right in your price range. That'd be a pretty good one. No, that would be something to look into. Yeah. I was kicking tires on a, well, there's the Stingray that's for sale down the road for $900. And then there is a Gulfstream that I really, really want to restore, but the guy's asking stupid money for it. Yeah. It was like $1,500. It was $1,500. It's down to $1,200. It doesn't even work. It works, but it's beat to shit. Yeah. Like beat to shit. Yeah, $1,500 for an E-Mine. Those things go $800 for a nice one. Yeah, I know. I don't know what he's thinking. Well. I messaged him, and he's like, well, I'll set it up for them, and that's where I'm charging the money. I'm like, you're charging money for setup now?
    86:20
    I'll pick the fucker up. What's my price for picking it up? Sure. Now, he even admitted he's trying to cash in on the people, the suckers out there in the industry that want to pay big money for it. How about Scared Stiff? Scared Stiff, $96? Too expensive for what it is. Okay, all right. It's in the boat, too. No, it's a fun game. Whitewater. Now you play the hell out of my Whitewater. You probably wouldn't need that.
    86:45
    We're going down the top 100, guys. How about, well, we have the Shadow. Funhouse is always on my list. I know you're not a fan, but. Yeah, I just, I don't get it. It's okay, though. I know I'm on the minority there. People love that game. Getaway High Speed 2 is another one. Getaway would be a cool one. Congo. Congo's a good one. It kind of goes really good, but it's gotten stupid expensive. It's going to get more expensive. Buy now, sell later, kid. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, the thing is, I could get rid of one. How about a fishtails? Not interesting. I used to be. It's a fun game, but it's not for me. Dread?
    87:21
    Maybe. Dread? Yeah, dread has grown on me quite a bit. Dread is something I would consider. World Cup soccer, for sure. Yeah. Let's see what else we got here. Rudy scares Ian, says Tish. Yeah, I don't care for him. What do you guys think about Dread?
    87:39
    Tim Lee says Dread. Oh, Teed Off. Teed Off is fun. Give Corvette a chance. Yeah, I don't think I've ever played Corvette.
    87:49
    But yeah, Stargate. How about Dirty Harry? I want to play Dirty Harry. I do want to play Dirty Harry. I've never played a Dirty Harry. Yeah, I have not either. How's Dirty Harry, guys? Tell me. Tell me in chat how you guys like Dirty Harry, because I'm intrigued by the look of that game. And Pinball Profile says Corvette, super underrated. Super underrated? There you go, Corvette. It's not bad. How about T2? Would you want a T2? Maybe. Okay. Yeah, T2. We played quite a bit of T2, though. You can get a T2 anywhere, I think.
    88:19
    Demoman, 94. Demoman is also another one that's growing on me. Baywatch. Baywatch is some shit. Baywatch is just fun. I get excited when I see some Baywatch. Baywatch is cool.
    88:33
    Easy. Kingpin. Just kidding. Secret Service. There's Jesse J. Jesse Special. I love Secret Service. I wish I played it. Sorcerer. I just love everything about it. Sorcerer is one I'd like to restore. Really? They make play fields for that. They look awesome. I actually clicked on Black Rose. How did that happen?
    88:51
    Sorcerer. Sorcerer is Corvette 94, Bailey. Cool. Yeah, Sorcerer and Swords of Fury are on my restore list. Is Radical finally kind of going down? Is it not as hyped up as it used to be? They're still pretty expensive from what I understand. They got hyped so hard. That was Zach. Zach the hype man because he's like, I really want Radical. I think it started from John's Arcade. John's Arcade started that shit. Yeah, Pinball Profile says Radical is awesome. Fishtails is so fun, easy but fun. Yeah, I agree. I just want a little more to do with that Pinball Profile. So what else we got on here?
    89:28
    Last Action Hero. Been there, done that. Good game. Back to the basics. I watched the short video of someone playing that the other day, and I was like, oh, I kind of miss it. That was fun.
    89:39
    What else? Jeff Teolis, what would you say? 90s game. Roller games? He said Fishtails. Radical is awesome. Radical is fun. I played that at Expo. That was fantastic. Fantastic, Jeff.
    89:52
    Tim Lee says we want a Bad Cats for the family room. Bad Cats is badass, buddy. I love Bad Cats. I had so much fun playing Bad Cats. That thing shoots like a dream. Bad Cats? I've never played that. Shot like a dream. Well, you were puking on your... Never mind. We won't go into that. Let's see. Starship Trippers? I know. Hard pass. That's a hard pass. I'll burn that one. Dr. Jude? Dr. Jude would be fun, but no, that's not what I'm looking for. Yeah, we're going down now. We're going quite down.
    90:27
    We're at Apollo 13 level, so we know it's... We're at LaserCube. Oh, man, who would ever own a LaserCube? No, I have a couple I want to restore. We love LaserCube and Sarcasm Kids. You know, Amazing Spider-Man, I want to restore one of those. That would be a fun restore.
    90:45
    Oh, man. Genie. Genie's a cool game. That would be another cool restore one. There's too many. There are. I want to restore a Devil's Dare. I think that is one of the prettiest, scariest-looking games I've ever seen. The artwork on that alone is pretty insane. You've never seen a Devil's Dare? Circus Voltaire? I need to sell two of my premiums to get a Circus Voltaire. And even then he'd get sick of it within a week. Yeah. No, like I said, I think I'm just going to sell one. I'm going to buy something fun and then maybe a project. All right. Devil's Dare is cool. Devil's Dare is badass. ass i would say devil's dare was designed by somebody who sold his soul to the devil himself that's what i tell people if they came down what was that game we were texting about the other day time fantasy time fantasy was you guys haven't seen it so a little funny story so ian and i are texting was that last night or the night before just before bed kids so yeah we're just texting you know having some fun i'm watching tv and i dove into a little of the adult syrup and uh thc kids and i was looking at someone in the milwaukee area was selling a time fantasy it was like oh 1900 bucks or something and i looked at it and if you guys don't know go check out time fantasy it's got like um psychedelic mushroom art like it's a mushroom character i showed my wife i thought she'd be into it and she wasn't really like that's a hard pass i was like are you really so i'm looking at i'm like oh this is cool it's only like 1900 bucks i think it worked it was all there and then ian texted me that i'm like oh so stoned watching this thing he's cracking up i was ready to get him to buy it i didn't know it wasn't working though yeah because it was all there but it didn't work it didn't work it didn't work because i think but anyways check it out tronic also restoring a fire but can't find buildings pretty much unobtainium oh flip tronic dude i know that feeling what about 3d printing now though that's what a lot of people do i think with some of that stuff right you have to flip tronic i mean what do you do in those instances where you can't find shit i mean laser war was a bitch to find parts and then this gulf stream that i want to get there's no parts for gulf stream nobody wants to make parts for that yeah but those older games like that they don't have specialized parts gulf stream does though the pop cap bump bumpers oh i did a little research yeah some of the plastic And then those back glasses, you have to literally restore them yourself. Sure. Yeah, you can't. Just don't repro those. No, no, no. Those are hard to do. You can get a Translite made.
    93:20
    It's not the same because it's not a back glass. That's the problem. You need that back glass for Gulfstream. Yep. It's so pretty. Yep. It's one of my favorite art packages. Yep. All right. Okay, we're going to get... Wait, let's see. What the fuck is going on here? Okay, boys, what's the best... Okay, boys, what's the best art on pinball? Windstoned. Time Fantasy? Quicksilver?
    93:41
    Ooh, Windstoned. The best art package. I thought I was drowning looking at a phantom, but that's a joke.
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    I'm not a big stoner, but I will say that Time Fantasy was pretty. It was up there, man. It was trippy. It was very trippy. When I saw it, I was like, is this for real? And then, like I said, five minutes later, Ian's sending me the same picture, and I'm like, what the fuck? I was having a fucked up time loop in my head. And I'm like, is this really happening? Oh, shit, that is funny. Yeah, this syrup is basically a THC concentrate. It's not for the weak. No, a couple milliliters of that and you're just on your ass. It's not for me. I'm very weak with that stuff. But yeah. But no, I don't know. What else? Devil's there? It's pretty trippy. Well, like I said, yeah, Devil's... That's scary. Yeah. It's scary as shit. I look at that game. A lot of the stuff from... Quicksilver's good. That's real trippy. From, like, the 80s. Quicksilver's real trippy. Yeah. He's right there.
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    What's the other one that Kuiper had? He had Cyclops or Cyclopes. Quicksilver. What was the other one? Alien Star. Was it Alien Star? Yeah, but that's just kind of outer space. I thought there was something else that was really trippy.
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    I mean, there's a lot. I can't remember. You just look at a lot of the 70s and 80s art packages. I wonder why. Yeah. I wonder why. You know, the formula was the same. Like, get a big animal, get a woman in a bikini. You know, it was all kind of standard. It was like these fantasy animals and women in bikinis.
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    As Ian's Googling, trippy art for pinball. I just wanted to know. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm sure there's like 100 games out there that are in that genre. They have to be because they made so many games in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Even at Gulfstream, I mean, it's not trippy, but, you know, it's just the art style and the pointy eyes. Art style is great. No, it's very cool. It's very 60s. It's beautifully done. I love the look of Gulfstream. No, very cool. All right. Well, we should wrap this up, dude. We're beyond our time. No, we're actually right on time. It felt like it went on forever. alright guys well thank you so much for listening to us this episode fantastic I really had fun tonight did you have fun tonight Drew I had a great time I had a great time too we talked about all sorts of fun stuff don't forget to patronize our sponsors flipping out pinball pin shades pin stadium lights pinball prices.com pinball effects and studios silverballswag.com please buy our shit I had to put my daughter through daycare Jesse Joe if you're still here she's not here anymore I'm sorry someone can suit that Mike Williams if you're still here there you go now it's not sexual harassment would you do it for a guy too I'm an equal opportunity I'm over Jeff Teolis that's for you Jeff you're touching my butt Jeff's like I'm never coming back here again that was a mistake you said Jeff, thank you for joining our wonderful chat today.
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    Did Ryan C. put you up to this? Because he just called us cunts early and ran away. Oh, man. Well, we appreciate you guys and appreciate the chat always. It makes this go by way faster than it should. And Drew, I love you, man. I love you, too. What did you learn today? i learned that trippy artwork is even more trippy when i when you get stoned when i drink syrup yes i learned today that the history lesson i gave for creature actually somebody actually it resonated yeah that was the first time we ever got anything positive on the history lesson stuff so yeah we've only done a few a couple more botched we we didn't know what we're doing that one was really good though yeah thank you really good thank you there was a lot on those ones we You're doing like black belt and shit. Nobody knows anything about black belt. Well, that's the thing. You call up the manufacturer. They're like, yeah, we made this in like three days. Yeah, we didn't care. We're like black belt. What was your reasoning for the theme? I don't know. Karate. Yeah, I like karate. Karate was big back then, so karate. All right. So anyway, I appreciate that. That's what I learned. Appreciate you guys in chat. Thank you for the sponsors.
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