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Episode 118 – Underworld

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 27, 2018
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt #118: Primus/Beatles news, code updates, pinball shortage, and manufacturer game preferences.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 118 features hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale with guest podcasters Dennis Kriesel and Tony from Eclectic Gamers Podcast discussing pinball news and playing a "Game You Like/Game You Hate" segment across 20 solid state manufacturers. Key news includes Primus Pinball's $8,000 release (limited to 100 units), Beatles pinball launch details and streaming date (November 30), and code updates for Metallica (3.8) and Hobbit (3.00). The episode also covers a pinball shortage due to supply chain issues and discusses Dialed In code updates.

Key Claims

  • Primus Pinball is limited to 100 units and priced at $8,000

    high confidence · Ron Hallett discussing Primus Pinball release details; explicitly stated '13 full songs and $8,000. And it went on sale today.'

  • Beatles pinball will be streamed on Deadfoot stream at 4 p.m. Eastern on November 30th (Friday) from Modern Pinball in NYC

    high confidence · Ron Hallett: 'Modern Pinball in New York City is getting a Beatles and is going to be streamed on the Deadfoot stream at 4 p.m. Eastern time on November 30th, which is Friday.'

  • There is a pinball ball shortage; supply company stopped making pinballs and prices increased from $1 to $3 at Marco

    high confidence · Ron discussing pinball shortage: 'The company that probably supplies most people decided to start making them... So like at Marco, it went from like a buck to three bucks.'

  • Metallica code update 3.8 made crank-it-up easier based on podcast feedback

    medium confidence · Ron: 'we told [Lyman] crank it up should be easier, so he may crank it up easier. We did it again.' Metallica version 3.8, Hobbit 1.80

  • Dialed In code 1.57 fixed spider meaningfulness starting in version 1.56

    medium confidence · Hosts discussing Dialed In code updates: '157 came out... 157 had some more fixes... 56 was where they finally started to, like, have the spider and stuff be meaningful'

  • Beatles launch party scheduled for Rock Fantasy on December 15th

    high confidence · Ron: 'Then there's going to be a Beatles launch party at Rock Fantasy on December 15th.'

  • Primus Pinball reuses the Woe Nelly playfield design

    high confidence · Ron: 'It reuses the Woe Nelly playfield for the umpteenth time. So now we have Woe Nelly, Can Crusher, Primus.'

  • KC GameCon Pinball Championship is scheduled for Saturday and needed a certain attendance threshold

    medium confidence · Streaming discussion: 'we were trying to get our numbers up enough for a KC GameCon Pinball Championship this Saturday. And we did'

Notable Quotes

  • “It reuses the Woe Nelly playfield for the umpteenth time. So now we have Woe Nelly, Can Crusher, Primus.”

    Ron Hallett @ early in episode — Commentary on Stern's repeated reuse of the same playfield base for multiple games, indicating production efficiency strategy

  • “I can't play pinball without my pinballs. Yeah. The surgeons will die if we don't solve this.”

    Ron Hallett / Bruce Nightingale @ during pinball shortage discussion — Humorous but serious acknowledgment of critical supply chain issue affecting the entire industry

  • “Dialed In is awesome, but there's two different Dialed Ins. There's Dialed In without protectors, which is awesome, and there's Dialed In with protectors, which is the problem.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ during Dialed In discussion — Identifies design flaw affecting game playability based on configuration choice

  • “If you rip it out, then the hole gets blown out immediately, which makes it play even better, actually.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Dialed In protector discussion — Unintended consequence of removing protective feature in Dialed In

  • “Oktoberfest is like no one's favorite holiday. It's not Germany's favorite holiday. It's not America's favorite holiday... Why not do a St. Patrick's Day instead if you wanted it to be all about beer?”

    Ron Hallett @ theme criticism segment — Critical analysis of Stern's Beatles/Oktoberfest theme choice from market perspective

  • “I just think it's a slightly different layout to what I think of as a Stern cookie-cutter, but it's Lyman's code that pushes it over the top for me.”

    Dennis Kriesel @ Game You Like segment — Identifies code quality as differentiator in modern Stern games beyond playfield design

  • “That ring kills the game. It just kills it.”

    Ron Hallett @ WWE hate game discussion — Identifies specific mechanical feature as design flaw in WWE pinball

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonDennis KrieselpersonTonypersonLymanpersonRoger SharppersonJack DangerpersonStern PinballcompanyPrimus Pinballgame

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Primus Pinball officially released and available for purchase; limited to 100 units at $8,000 price point

    high · Ron: 'And it went on sale today... It's limited to 100.'

  • ?

    announcement: Beatles pinball launch stream scheduled for November 30 at 4 p.m. Eastern on Deadfoot from Modern Pinball NYC; Beatles launch party at Rock Fantasy December 15

    high · Ron: 'Modern Pinball in New York City is getting a Beatles and is going to be streamed on the Deadfoot stream at 4 p.m. Eastern time on November 30th'

  • ?

    code_update: Metallica code 3.8 includes easier crank-it-up multiball based on podcast listener feedback; magnet behavior also changed

    high · Ron: 'we told him crank it up should be easier, so he may crank it up easier... my magnet used to throw it always to my left flipper. Now... it is all over the place.'

  • ?

    code_update: Hobbit code update to version 3.00; Dialed In updated to version 1.57 with multiple fixes

    high · Code versions mentioned: Hobbit 3.00, Metallica 3.8, Dialed In 1.56/1.57

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Critical pinball ball shortage; primary supplier stopped manufacturing pinballs; prices increased from $1 to $3; Pinball Life inventory will be depleted

    high · Ron: 'The company that probably supplies most people decided to start making them... So like at Marco, it went from like a buck to three bucks. And Pinball Life basically said once their supply runs out, that'll be it until they can find something else.'

Transcript

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0:00
Now, Beavis and Butthead, if you could grow any type of food, what would you grow? Um, hey, nachos. Nachos aren't a plant, dumbass. They, like, make them from stuff. That's right, Butthead, and corn is an excellent choice, or as the Native Americans call it, maize. No, no, no, um, we want to grow nachos. In a few months, Beavis, when the corn grows, you'll be able to make your own nachos. Yeah, but we can go to Maxi Mart and get some right now.
0:32
Yeah, but this is school. They have to do everything ass-backwards. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Can you feel the love tonight?
1:06
That's not horrible. Congratulations, Bruce. Tonight. And this is episode 118. We're to the second flash. Yes. Which is the second flash. 6810 RAM chip test. At U7. Definitely not reading Pen Weekie at all. Not at all. And that's Second Flash. So, how's it going, Bruce? Lots of repairs, lots of love in the air. And we have guests. We have guests. Who do we have, Bruce? We have two other fellow podcasters. Now, it's not a, what do we call it? It's not a clusterbuck, because we only have two. But these are good friends of the show. The Eclectic Gamers Podcast. We have Dennis.
1:58
Hello. And we have Tony. Hello. Hi, guys. Welcome. What's up? What's up in beautiful upstate New York? The rain. You know, I lived in Syracuse for a year.
2:12

  • Stern refilmed Beatles promo video due to color saturation issues with the first version

    medium confidence · Ron: 'The promo video I guess the first one wasn't up to par. The one that got leaked... the color saturation was longer.'

  • Hobbit has a flawed playfield layout that code updates cannot fix

    medium confidence · Discussion on Hobbit: 'the layout is the layout, and he can't fix that... the route operator sold it.'

    • “Primus is only 100 pins, so if they're doing a little boutique vanity project for a band, I get that. I understand that. But this is supposed to be a successor to Houdini, an unlicensed yet established theme.”

    Ron Hallett @ Primus discussion — Contextualizes Primus as limited vanity project vs. mainstream title expectations

  • “I don't want to do it. But, you know, if he's the president of the company, now what do I do? See, I put myself in a bad position.”

    Ron Hallett @ workplace pinball dilemma — Humorous observation about complications from revealing pinball hobby at work

  • “People put money in it doesn't matter... people most people who come to the bar and play look at the Gary Stern way of looking at pinball the biggest themes and they don't know how to play most of them.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Ghostbusters discussion — Operator perspective on location player behavior and theme preference over game rules knowledge

    • Beatles Pinball
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    The Walking Deadgame
    Star Trek Pinballgame
    Lord of the Ringsgame
    Metallica Pinballgame
    Hobbit Pinballgame
    Dialed Ingame
    WWE Pinballgame
    Elvis Pinballgame
    Modern Pinballcompany
    Rock Fantasycompany
    403 Clubcompany
    Eclectic Gamers Podcastproduct
    Deadfoot streamproduct
    Head2Head Pinball Podcastproduct
    Pinball Lifecompany
  • ?

    product_concern: WWE Pinball identified as having ring feature that negatively impacts gameplay; Dialed In has protector design flaw affecting playability

    high · Ron on WWE: 'That ring kills the game. It just kills it.' Bruce on Dialed In: 'There's Dialed In without protectors, which is awesome, and there's Dialed In with protectors, which is the problem.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Hobbit pinball has fundamental playfield layout issues that cannot be remedied through code updates; operator abandoned location due to poor market performance

    medium · Discussion: 'the layout is the layout, and he can't fix that... the route operator sold it... And he is not [happy with it]'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Criticism of Stern's choice of Oktoberfest as Beatles successor theme; debate over theme appeal vs. sales impact

    medium · Ron: 'Oktoberfest is like no one's favorite holiday... Why not do a St. Patrick's Day instead if you wanted it to be all about beer?'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Primus Pinball positioned as limited boutique vanity project (100 units) vs. mainstream successor title; reuses Woe Nelly playfield

    high · Ron: 'Primus is only 100 pins, so if they're doing a little boutique vanity project for a band, I get that'

  • ?

    content_signal: Deadfoot stream will broadcast Beatles pinball gameplay from Modern Pinball NYC on November 30, providing community's first detailed look at game

    high · Ron: 'you'll get to see our first really good look at the game' via Deadfoot stream on November 30

  • ?

    event_signal: KC GameCom Pinball Championship held on Saturday at 403 Club; met attendance threshold to enable broadcast bit rate upgrade

    medium · Streaming discussion: 'we were trying to get our numbers up enough for a KC GameCom Pinball Championship this Saturday. And we did'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Mounting criticism of design choices in recent releases (WWE ring, Hobbit layout, Oktoberfest theme selection); concerns about Stern's playfield reuse strategy

    medium · Multiple 'hate' picks focused on design flaws; Ron's systematic criticism of Oktoberfest theme choice from market perspective

    • I feel sorry for you, sir. I only lived there for one year, so don't feel too bad. And he ran away right away. As they all do. Oh, any Syracuse listeners are not going to be happy now. There are none. There's nothing to worry about. Oh, well, I was inspired by the Eclectic Gamers podcast. I decided to, I just pulled out my Sony PlayStation.
    2:38
    PlayStation 1. Oh. I haven't played it in probably 15 years, probably. And I only have like two games for it.
    2:48
    Final Fantasy 7. No, no. Actually, it's ECW, Anarchy Rules, a wrestling game. I never played it. Exactly.
    3:00
    So I played it, and it took me about two matches to remember all the moves again. So I was impressed. I still remember all the moves.
    3:10
    And all my guys were still on the memory card, too. I can't believe they survived. I'm surprised they survived still on the memory card after that long.
    3:20
    I had trouble trying to hook it up to the TV because I had to use the composite, but I did get it working.
    3:27
    They make adapters out there now. There's like specialty companies that make adapters, so they may even make specialty adapters you can pick up. So if you've got like old school like Intellivisions and original Ataris and stuff, you can run them into an HDMI port now. Cool. You'd almost have to have that because otherwise, I think the only way I could hook up the Atari is with coax at this point. I'd have to have, yeah. I'd have to have the one little adapter to coax and then coax the TV directly. That's the only way I think I could do it. Yeah, that's what I had to do when I pulled my 2600 out, is just coax it right into the cable port. Yeah. I played one game, and I was like, eh, back under the stairs you go.
    4:07
    I have a 7800. I prefer that because you can play all the old games, and you can play the newer ones.
    4:15
    And let's see. We'll do a quick trivia here. Now, the 37800, what was the one feature it had that they advertised?
    4:23
    The one that they really plugged. It was the main part of their commercial. I don't even remember the ads for it. Really? Not at all. Do you remember? Spinner and a joystick? No. Okay. Well, no, the joystick would spin also, and you can move it up and down and around. No. Do you like the real arcade games? No. They didn't have a spin joystick. Did they advertise wireless controllers for it? No. Well, the commercial basically shows some dude playing, and then someone, like, brings the doorbell, and he hits the pause button. Oh.
    4:53
    Of course, the pause button would only work with the 7800 games. If you had a 2600 game in there, like, say, I don't know, Combat or something, and you hit the pause button, you know what it would do?
    5:05
    The reset? It would go to black and white. It would basically emulate the color black and white toggle switch. Ah, okay. Wow. the listeners right now are going like, where's the pinball? What's going on? Welcome. This is what eclectic gamers have liked, so don't listen to us.
    5:22
    Well, to be fair, we normally cover pinball first so everybody can leave. We know where our bread is buttered with the zeros of dollars we've made.
    5:33
    So let's just get on with the news first. Get that out of the way. Because it really wasn't that much news.
    5:42
    Primus Pinball was revealed. It's so colorful. You know, they found yet another use for Wonelli. It's incredible. It is. Somehow it's still something that's not family friendly.
    5:58
    Actually, it doesn't look very offensive. I mean, I didn't, maybe I didn't look close enough. I didn't think, I mean, it's weird. It's really trippy. It does probably encourage hard drug use, but only in an indirect way. Well, I was going more for just, you know, like Primus' music is not family friendly. It's not adult friendly. It's not friendly at all. Well, that's a good point. And I think it's supposed to have like 13 full songs or something in it. Yeah. 13 full songs and $8,000. And it went on sale today.
    6:31
    Sale. That's a funny word. Primus was known for having eclectic music. Don't you guys like that? Yeah. When it comes to musical taste, I'm extremely eclectic. I listen to everything. Yeah, country and western.
    6:49
    Country and western and bluegrass. those guys who sing rap with a country twang, I like those guys too. Hiccup? Yeah, the hick version of gin and juice. I'm telling you, it's better than the actual version of gin and juice. I'm looking at the front of it. It's actually got like the beehive shooter, like a sternwood, except it's orange.
    7:15
    Mm-hmm. I don't know. I just noticed that. It reuses the Woe Nelly play field for the umpteenth time. So now we have Woe Nelly Can Crusher Primus.
    7:26
    I try and make it all one word, but I'll pick some more. It's green. Yeah. It's green. It's getting back the melon roots of its origin, Ben. Or by Zombie Yeti and Zoltron. I'm not sure who Zoltron is. I believe he's an artist who regularly works on Primus Materials.
    7:49
    So it's, yeah, it's supposed to have like 13 songs. They had a promo video. It actually came out first. It was weird. There's a promo video on Facebook, and then there was a link to buy it when it went available on Monday. When I clicked the link, it went to like Primus' site and said I needed to log in. so to get into there you're not already a member Ron? no I wasn't a member had basically a video of Jack Danger playing it yep I saw that with Primus music playing so the funny thing is I had it on my phone and it like came up at work and I literally I turned the sound off after like two seconds but like the two people who heard it knew what song it was yeah it was too like you're now branded as a Primus fan My name is Mud. I always love that video. Sorry. So that's Primus.
    8:41
    Yeah, I think, what did they sell, 50 of them so far? It's limited to 100. I would think this will primarily go to Rob, yeah, I was going to say Rob Zombie. No, Primus fans. Only if they want to upgrade a game. Oh, wow.
    9:00
    Not a fan? No. We can get to that later. Oh, okay. Okay. So, then we have Beatles. Oh, yeah. We're getting a launch party out here. Wow. Launch party? Yeah. Okay. And where is out here for those who don't know? Out here is at the 403 Club in beautiful Kansas City, Kansas, just on the outer edge of Strawberry Hill. Oh, that's so good. 40 craft beers on tap and 12 pinball machines cool and do you know they refilmed the promo video I guess the first one wasn't up to par the one that got leaked yeah I guess the color saturations were longer oh I'm sure that changes everybody's feeling of the game it's totally different now the teal probably looks better right Bruce huh He's forgetting where the mute button is. No, no, no. No, I'm just doing it quiet because, no, teal sucks.
    10:07
    Such teal hate. The funny thing is they redid the video, and I'm watching the video, and I don't know. Who's seen the video here, the new one? I only saw the original. I didn't see the saturation. I mean, I just assumed it was re-saturated. I didn't think that was going to be on. Have you seen it, Bruce? No, not to no one. Okay. Wow, so no one's seen it. Well, it was on Facebook and on Stern's YouTube channel. And the weird thing is, whenever they pan, it's choppy as hell.
    10:37
    I don't understand. However they filmed it. And then the shots where the camera doesn't move, the stationary shots are fine. And they show Keith Owens playing it. And they make sure to show things like him repeating the loop two or three times. So you're like, ooh, okay, repeatable loop shot, good, good. The one can prove that it is repeatable. but again the one is the one hitting the shot not you exactly but it was so much choppy it drove me nuts now I wish I'd seen it I'm wondering if maybe I've noticed with some people that they have like a tripod and they have it a little too tight like locked into place so it doesn't jiggle around when they're trying to do a steady shot then they try and move it it just kind of jerks I think it's post processing I don't think it was oh really interesting And the thing is, it's like, I think it's like 30 frames. It's not. Come on. 60 frames. No.
    11:32
    Come on. Can't we wait until 2019 before we demand the 60 frames? No. No, it's been out there for a while. We can always use the console argument that you and I can't see 60 frames. Yeah. Yeah, use that. Okay. What do you say to that? I say if you're streaming at 30 and 60, I can tell the difference in the ball when the ball is around the play field. Big difference. So anyone says that? Apps are at 60, and then I output it at 30 so that I can appreciate the smoothness and then just give you the jaggedness.
    12:00
    Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you give me the smoothness? Bandwidth. Well, before we got to the affiliate status, the concern was for people on mobile that we wouldn't be able to offer transcoding.
    12:13
    That's a big deal. It is. Apparently. And we were trying to get our numbers up enough for a KC GameCon Pinball Championship this Saturday, And we did, so maybe I'll go ahead and up the bit rate a bit. But I only got one camera that can do 60, so. Yeah. Same here. What's your bit rate? What are you using? I've been currently streaming at 3,500. Yeah. That's about where I go. They used to have a limit of like five. Is it still five? Yeah, and I think so unless you're a partner, then I believe you're allowed to go past that. Yeah. I think at a certain point it becomes you don't really notice it, and it just becomes more of a bandwidth concern. Right. I mean, maybe on 60 frame a second video games. I popped in and tried to stream some Overwatch at $3,500, and I got complaints immediately. It's like, what is this blocky piece of crap? Are you playing Tetris? I was like, no, no, I'm playing a shooter. Shut up. So we've got Beatles, Beatles, and more Beatles.
    13:13
    Oh, gosh. Yes. So the Beatles and me and Bruce, we mentioned this last week. Like, when is the Deadfoot stream going to be? Well, now we know.
    13:23
    Soon. Yeah, soon. Basically, Modern Pinball in New York City is getting a Beatles and is going to be streamed on the Deadfoot stream at 4 p.m. Eastern time on November 30th, which is Friday.
    13:38
    Yeah. So you'll get to see our first really good look at the game. Also, the Sunshine Laundromat in New York City is getting a Beatles Diamond Edition, of course. Of course.
    13:51
    Why wouldn't you? Now, Ron, what edition are you getting? None of them. I have a Sea-Witch. Actually, well, it's my father's Sea-Witch, but it's actually at my house. Well, part of it's at my house now. Well, wouldn't you rather have one that didn't require you to swap out the upper flipper?
    14:06
    No, it's pretty easy. Pretty easy to swap out the upper flipper. Well, I'm out of arguments, though. You've satisfied me. Yeah, mine looks pretty good. I mean, it'd be nice to have that little extra target that's behind the flipper and that whole thing. That's going to be cool.
    14:19
    I don't have it. We can add it. Yeah, okay. Are you going to add the spinning disc? Well, yeah, that's easy.
    14:27
    Okay. I hear Jersey Jack has plenty of stairs. Oh, wow. Ba-doom-boom. Oh, man. Then there's going to be a Beatles launch party at Rock Fantasy on December 15th. Oh, yeah, we're rocking, baby.
    14:47
    Okay, Bruce. Just the worst. And I'm torn, Bruce, because you know what's December 15th? What's December 15th? It's my company's holiday party. Oh, you got to go to the Rock Fantasy first. Which normally wouldn't mean anything, but they're doing an 80s theme this year. And suppose they're going to have arcade games and pinball. Ooh, so guess what? I think you should go to the Christmas party and screw Rock Fantasy. Well, I need to find out what they mean by pinball. It could mean some local operator's busted, barely working game that's going to be there that no one will notice it doesn't work because no one plays pinball.
    15:32
    They didn't fish out to you? No, because nobody knows I collect them. I keep it that way. You know, I wish I had never mentioned pinball at work. Yes, because you know what's going to happen? Can you bring a game in? If you bring a game in, oh, maybe someone else, oh, can you fix mine? Oh, then the president comes up. You know, I really like a game for the man caves. You find me one, and if you find him one, can you fix it when it breaks? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. I hire somebody for that. Yeah, exactly. Even if you don't hire somebody for that, you hire somebody for that. Because I don't want to do it. But, you know, if he's the president of the company, now what do I do? See, I put myself in a bad position. So I like to keep that. in a Haywood line. What does that mean? Hey, would you blow me?
    16:21
    Did you know... Did we get edited out? No. No, fortunately not. Did you know there's new Metallica and Hobbit code? Yes.
    16:31
    How Metallica... 3.8. 1.80. 1.80, which everyone should thank us because Lyman asked us what we thought. And we told him crank it up should be easier, so he may crank it up easier. We did it again. Thank you. You did it. Woo! I haven't looked yet. We did have the new code on out at the 403 Club, but I didn't get an opportunity to play Metallica in tournament. Did they make Snake easier or no?
    16:57
    I don't think so. I didn't notice it being easier. All I know is my – I will say one thing. On my machine, my magnet used to throw it always to my left flipper. Now, forget about it. It is all over the place. So maybe they changed something with the magnet, you know, maybe varying the voltage on the, you know, way it's throwing the polarity. But it is totally hell on my machine now. Cool. Sounds good. Well, maybe they'll get to Ghostbusters eventually.
    17:25
    I hope not. Oh. Oh, come on. A lot of people have been waiting. Yeah, wait a minute. Don't you have a Ghostbusters? I have one at the bar. So you hope they, like, fix it, complete it, et cetera? No, because people still spend money on it. people put money in it doesn't matter you sure you want to have that attitude on the air Bruce no I'm not saying that I'm saying people most people who come to the bar and play look at the Gary Stern way of looking at pinball the biggest themes and they don't know how to play most of them I wish they did because then they would not go to those games possibly in different games I wish they did so they would go to other games. What?
    18:12
    They're never going to embrace catacombs. Yeah, pinball. Just exactly. Oh, they will. Yeah, I told them that. You're going to put that in a bar where no one will play it because they'll just be confused. You're the one that told me not to put in hot dog in it. That's now number five on the list. Are people high? Why would they play that? It's a great game. Yeah, okay. I'll tell you.
    18:36
    Catacomb? No way. They'll just sit there. It'll sit there in the baguette mode as nobody knows what to do.
    18:43
    I mean, they had that at the tournament in Chicago where you have some of the best players in the world, and they didn't know what they were supposed to do. And the game tells you.
    18:53
    And they still didn't know what to do. Wow. Yeah. Well, what do you mean, wow? You still have a stream, didn't you? No.
    19:02
    Okay. So, and Hobbit has new code. Yes, it does. 3.00. Anyone here have a Hobbit? Nope. No. So we really can't elucidate what the code is there or what it does. Does the code somehow magically make the game play better? No, the play field is still ass, sorry. Yeah, all right. Well, no, that's our, I mean, that's my fundamental issue with it. I've heard that the code, actually the last couple updates has gotten, yeah, it's helped. You know, Kiefer's done what he can to program in uses for that third flipper and such, But the layout is the layout, and he can't fix that. You are correct. We had one on location, and the route operator sold it. And he is not – I mean, they gave Dialed In a chance. And I think he's even moved that on to another operator. And I don't know if we're getting the pirates in the area or not, because I think people are getting a little burned out on the price point versus what the coin drop is compared to a stern. Yep. But speaking of dialed in, 157 came out. 156 was the one that was kind of floating around that they were having people do the test.
    20:13
    157 had some more fixes in it, so I had to update twice. So I have 157 on mine now. Was one point, is 57 or 56 where they finally started to, like, have the spider and stuff be meaningful to go for? 56. I think it was 56. Yeah, 5-7 was just more, some more speech and more fixes, and I think they tweaked some of the scoring again. Okay. Well, that's a good game. Oh, yeah, I like it. Dialed in is awesome, but there's two different dialed ins. There's dialed in without protectors, which is awesome, and there's dialed in with protectors, which is the problem. With balls. Exactly.
    20:50
    Which is a shame because I really don't want to take the protector off of mine. will someone come up with a better way than my hole? Rip it out. Yeah, if you rip it out, then the hole gets blown out immediately, which makes it play even better, actually. See? It'll just fall in. Anywhere in the area, it'll just fall in. Only later it gets sucked into the SIM card hole.
    21:12
    So I think that was pretty much it for news. Yeah. All the news that's in the print. That was from this week at Pinball. Thank you, Jeff.
    21:24
    Yeah, thanks, Jeff. We ripped you off. Again. Let's see, what else do I have here? I have, yeah, Beatles, yeah, Beatles, and Beatles. Did you hear about the pinball shortage?
    21:38
    No. Again? Yes. Let me guess, the Trump tariffs have really knocked down on the steel. Trump tariffs. Tariffs. I like the tariffs better. That foil ball fad was falling away, and so you don't have all these people just making them anymore. Yeah, so actual pinballs. The company that probably supplies most people decided to start making them. So obviously they did not hear about the pinball renaissance and have decided to not make pinballs anymore.
    22:12
    So like at Marco, it went from like a buck to three bucks. and Pinball Life basically said once their supply runs out, that'll be it until they can find something else. They're working on it.
    22:23
    How big of a deal is, I mean, ball bearings use the similar machines to make them and they're everywhere and there's millions of manufacturers. Somebody's got to pick this up. You would think. I would hope so because, you know, I can't play pinball without my pinballs.
    22:42
    Yeah. The surgeons will die if we don't solve this. Mm-hmm. All right, so what we got to do is, as is done in pinball anymore, is we need to start a GoFundMe or whatever. Patreon. Or a Kickstarter. Or Patreon our own company to just create pinballs. Balls Incorporated. Yeah.
    23:07
    Balls. We've got all your balls. Balls. You want balls? We've got red balls We've got blue balls We've got bright shiny balls Any balls you want we got them I've got big balls And she's got big balls I'm surprised you haven't put that on me Balls Yes Wonderful ACDC Just groundbreaking lyrics right there Yeah.
    23:40
    They're on the top of the heap for a reason. So what else do I got here? Oh, we have, I want to correct the head-to-head guys again. Of course, we always do because they just steal everything and steal it without fact-checking. Well, this wasn't a stolen thing. They mentioned how Roger Sharp, who was seen at Freeplay Florida, did not have his trademark mustache. and it was like this big deal like you know he's had the mustache for like 40 years and he shaved it off the only problem was like two years ago when I was at Freeplay Florida you also didn't have the mustache then he grew it back and he shaved it off again so obviously I would think he's probably shaved it off many times he's probably one of those lucky people who can do that in the course of you know a couple weeks um I don't do you consider that luck I don't know it depends I'm Italian and I can tell you I don't consider it luck because it's just more work like yes I can have a mustache in a few days but I can have a really nice 5 o'clock shadow in about a week and a half my mustache is if it ever gets shaved it's never coming back because it took a year and a half to get okay So Alright No that's not my problem Did you know there's a mustache on a girl on Oktoberfest? I'm sorry I'm trying to tie this back in To something I can pay in on Okay Explain Because I don't need to look any older than I am Explain what? The mustache on Oktoberfest There's a I guess it's a part of Oktoberfest Is there's like a dress-up or disguise thing that people do, and I think there's a plastic that has a girl with a mustache on it, and everyone who is scrutinizing the art was getting really bothered, because they're like, well, she doesn't really look like how I want her to look. And it's like, well, but there's like a, I don't know if it's a masquerade thing, or it's just a wear a mustache. I don't know. I don't understand. October 1st was a terrible theme, and I don't understand anything about it. Okay. So you think it's a terrible theme? I didn't tie it in very well, so I'm sorry. Why is it a terrible theme?
    26:02
    Because it's like, if you think about, the whole point of the theme is a cell game, right? Right. That's why we do themes. So if you're going to take a theme, and it's an established theme, and you're going to do a holiday, why not do a holiday that people care about?
    26:20
    I mean, Oktoberfest is like no one's favorite holiday. It's not Germany's favorite holiday. It's not America's favorite holiday where everyone's going to sell pens to. And it's not even our favorite drinking holiday. St. Patrick's Day is our favorite drinking holiday. So why not do a St. Patrick's Day instead if you wanted it to be all about beer? I just thought, I think it was a poor choice. No, the Primus pen's green enough. It could be a St. Patrick's pen. Sure. But Primus is only 100 pins, so if they're doing a little boutique vanity project for a band, I get that. I understand that. But this is supposed to be a successor to Houdini, an unlicensed yet established theme of someone that was very well known and to a lot of people is the greatest illusionist that ever lived. This is an eighth-tier holiday that no one really cares about. So what you're saying is their third pen is going to be my birthday? Maybe, but you still wouldn't buy it.
    27:17
    I don't know. That's my only thing with themes. I don't care that it's Oktoberfest. It's fine with me. It doesn't offend me. But from a sales standpoint, I only see weakness with the choice. That's it.
    27:30
    Maybe their third game will be like Pinside. It'll just be called Pinside. What? Tony made a segment for our show once upon a time where he did pinball drama, the pinball machine, and just tried to think of every stupid, cliched, terrible Pinside thing to throw in for all three ups and multiballs. Yeah. So we'll have super offensive art, but we'll just say, like, get over it. Come on. It's always been that way. Then we'll put LEDs all over it, but we'll have, like, clown LEDs or different colors for every section. Purple for GI. Yep. And we'll have Penn Stadium lighting, but maybe only on one side. Wish you were closer. Sure. A hurry-up mode that gives you two weeks to hit. Yeah. I personally liked the multi-ball that you lock all the balls, but you never know when it's actually going to activate. It might not ever actually activate. You just got to wait for it to arrive. Yeah. pre-order multiball. Pre-order multiball. That's what the name was.
    28:30
    It was a really well thought out segment. I don't remember what episode it was. It was this year. That really narrows it down. It was like in the spring, I think.
    28:40
    Speaking of segments, you've got one for us. See what I did there? I've stolen, in honor of Head to Head, I've stolen it from you guys. My most favorite segment that you all ever came up with. Game you like, game you hate. Wow, we haven't done that in a long time. Well, you ran out of games. Yeah, we kind of ran out of games. Yeah. I never ran out of games. As far as you ran out, you were the one who pulled the plug. No, he was. Every time I say, every time I ask him off the air, I go, hey, what do you want to do? No, I don't know anymore. Never ask him off the air. Just accept my revisionist version of this, okay? Okay. Well, Bruce, there's only so many Gottliebs you can keep saying you hate. You can't just go through every Gottlieb and just say you hate. We ran through the entire Premier catalog and it was done. That's how it was. I'm not judging you. I understand. But because of a, maybe in your last episode, maybe in the episode before, I remember Ron remarking that he's pretty much experienced just about every solid state game at this point. So I thought, wouldn't it be fun if we went through a list of solid state pinball companies and we each would name a game we liked and then go around and name a game we hate, maybe a line or two about what we don't like or do like about those given games.
    29:55
    And some of these, I have 20 companies. Now, some of them are just iterations based off of mergers and such, and some of them are somewhat obscure.
    30:07
    But, so are you interested? Oh, yes, sir. I am interested. All right, I'll go ahead. And I actually have, because I felt I respect you guys. I prepared very hard. I have tabs up on IPDB to all 20 of these manufacturers with lists ready to go. So if you need game examples, just ask me and I'll just start spouting them out.
    30:29
    So the first company I would like us to start with is Stern Pinball, the modern Stern Pinball. And I guess I'll kick it off in terms of starting with the game you like, and I'll say Walking Dead. And I just think it's a slightly different layout to what I think of as a Stern cookie-cunter, but it's Lyman's Code that pushes it over the top for me. Tony, do you have a Stern pinball you like? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and jump straight into your Stern. Star Trek. Oh, the peasant model? The peasant model. Any of the models. Who would ever sell Star Trek and buy a Spider-Man in its place? That's what I want to know. Ron, that's what I want to know. I didn't buy it in its place. I had both. Now I only have one. But, no, it's a fun layout, and it's an enjoyable game, and its biggest downfall to me is the terrible backlash on everything except for the limited edition.
    31:29
    Bruce? A game I like from Stern Electronics. That's Stern Pinball. Stern Pinball, sorry, is Lord of the Rings. Excellent rule set. one of Gomez's non-clunky playfields. And just,
    31:47
    you know, he just knocked that apart with the rules. It follows the movies to the T. The animation follows the movies. It's just a really well-balanced game. And if you're worried about a wizard mode you're never going to reach, that's the game.
    32:02
    Alright. So, like. So it doesn't have to be, like, my favorite stirring up. No, no. Just keep on your like. Okay. Terminator 3. Underrated game. Cool back box with the RPG, the cannon up there. An improvement on the original T2. Extra ramp. The much deeper rules, but not deep by any stretch of the imagination, compared to Lord of the Rings or Simpsons, but much more to do than the original T2 with a cool final battle when you beat it and it just gives you all four balls, and, like, every single thing is lit. I just, I always liked it.
    32:41
    I agree with all of those. Yep. So, to kick off Game You Hate, I'm going to go ahead and nominate WWE. There are a lot of things from the theme to the very symmetrical layout that I don't really care for, but bottom line is, that ring kills the game. It just kills it.
    32:59
    I'm going to go with probably a surprise here. Elvis. But the reason I hate Elvis is because I got kicked out of a tournament. Well, not kicked out. I was knocked out of a tournament because of a no-flip extra ball launch that triggered into multi-ball and earned the other player so many points that they passed me when I was ahead by, you know, just should have been fine. Like, he'd already shook my hand and said, good game, after he released the thing. and then it triggered multi-ball. I've hated that game ever since.
    33:37
    Yeah, that would do it. That would do it definitely for me, too. I'm going old school, Stern. Striker Extreme.
    33:46
    I've never played it. That was terrible. Why is it terrible, Bruce? Oh, it's just a bad layout, bad rules. It was supposed to be Oktoberfest, Bruce. Yeah, and as you say about your Octoberfest you hate, I hate this one then. I just hate the theme. I think the current layout looks okay. Oh, it's okay. It's okay.
    34:12
    Yeah, it's Gregor's name. Let's try to make it re-theme it, and let's make it NFL. Hey, I liked NFL. Oh, you're online.
    34:24
    I played an actual home-use-only working one. It played good. Mm. Yeah. Then you said, oh, this is boring. No, I actually liked it. All right. Game to hate. This is easy. IJ4.
    34:40
    Oh, very good. A game where, like, forget everything else. You just want to hit a captive ball and get the stupid bonus multiplier to ridiculous levels. And then you want to hit shots and just watch a movie. Hit shots, watch a movie. Hit shot, watch a movie. And not all the movies. Oh, yeah. We don't have the Crystal Skull in there. even though we have the Crystal Skull ramp, which is a terrible movie anyway. I don't even include it as existing. Come on. If you can survive a nuclear blast, you're good. You know what they should have done? They should have just, like, the X-Files mech, they should have just rethemed that and made that the refrigerator.
    35:19
    Right? So you just hit it over and over. It comes up, and it opens up, and, like, Indy just falls out of it or something. I don't know. That made it passable, but God, I hated that game just so much.
    35:32
    You just answered another idea for the next game. All right. Well, we'll move to company number two and do another modern one, so Jersey Jack. And this won't surprise anyone, I'm sure. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we all are in unison, but I'm going to say Dutton. We can pick the same one? Okay, I was going to ask that. Yeah, you can. Yeah, because some of these are going to be pretty sparse. So dialed in. I think it's Lawler's best layout he ever did, and the code's good. So, I mean, just for that reason alone. And it's their only standard body, and I don't think much of wide-body geometry as a general rule. Really? I've never heard that from anyone. The slam-choke guys might not know that. You know that, but they might not know.
    36:15
    Anyway, Tony, what do you think? Dialed in's their only good game. Bring it. I guess we'll know when we get to hate, but... I'm going to change it. I'm not going with you guys. I like Wizard of Oz.
    36:30
    I really do. I really like Wizard of Oz. I like the theme. I like the shots. It reminds me of Simpsons. That's why Ron doesn't like it.
    36:40
    If we only had a brain. I love the call-outs and all the colors. It's really nice. It's actually a good game. I would get a red if I could.
    36:51
    Okay. You might be able to get the yellow in a little while. Yeah. Oh, God. Is it called, like, the piss version? It's a yellow brick. It's a purported yellow brick road edition. Oh, that's a urine brick. Okay. No, mine is, of course, Faldin.
    37:07
    It's Faldin. I got to play that probably before most people because I was at the reveal. And as soon as I played it, I knew exactly what they were going for. like, oh, goofy characters for each different disaster. I like goofy. It was goofy, and it's like, man, this thing shoots awesome. And immediately it's like, this might be one Jersey Jack I'd actually get. And I did.
    37:31
    All right. You have good taste for that. Oh, yeah. So, game I hate, I have to go Hobbit. I actually was a guest host on This Week in Pinball podcast and had a massive debate about Hobbit with Zach, who's the regular host there. So I'm not going to rehash all of that. Let's just say that. He's wrong, you're right.
    37:53
    I think the community broadly agrees. Not 100%, of course, because, you know, there's no accounting for taste. But just geometrically, it's a fail. Yes.
    38:06
    I'm going to go with pirates. Ooh. Pirates. Really? That seems so terrible. Nobody cares about pirates. Nobody's cared about pirates in 15 years.
    38:22
    So it's bad for the theme. It's bad for the theme. It bad for the only interesting thing that I felt was all stuff they got rid of I don like having to decide which one of these 400 characters do I want to be in the game It just needs a randomizer at that point. No, I have no taste for it. I don't even care about it. So no one wants pirate themes?
    38:47
    I didn't say nobody wants pirate themes. I said nobody cares about pirates. In 15 years, Stern's best-selling game for a long time was Pirates. Yeah.
    38:58
    That's true. That's 2005. That's not 15 years ago. It's a year thing. I have to correct years. I have to do it. Okay, 13 years. That's better. Just treated you like Bruce. Yeah. How does that feel?
    39:15
    I feel a little, oh, man, I think there's going to be a bruise. I mean, the pimp hand was strong there. Yep. mine is going to be definitely Hobbit that's a terrible game steaming pile of turd more details it's very easy the layout is terrible and just the rules as you've always stated let's just put all the modes start any mode you can and then go for a multi-ball and then just try to cash it all out at once and let's have 40 modes in a game enough said, done okay well to be real other than Dialed In there are no Jersey Jack games that I really understand the rules for so that says it all there. You haven't read the phone book that they send out with each game they make flowcharts no like Dialed In, it's like disasters, sim cards I mean, I know there's stuff at the theater and things, but, I mean, the basics of the game are very easy to grasp.
    40:30
    I'll have to say Hobbit, because it's just like you start multi-ball, and then everything happens. They pop up the trolls, and it's just like make as many mechs go off simultaneously as possible, make the sound as cool as possible to make you believe that the game is good, basically. And it's not. Exactly.
    40:51
    Okay. That'll be company number three. Don't worry. You notice I start with modern ones. Get these bridges all well and burnt. This is the last active one, and that will be Spooky Pinball as our number three company. Kicking off again, game I like, and how could one not, Bruce? Total Nuclear Annihilation. An inspired single-level game, excellent sound package, simplistic rules but fitting with the theme, but it's brutality is what people keep coming back for. It's a total win.
    41:24
    I'm the same machine for the same reasons. I've been singing the praises of TNA since we played the Whitewood in Texas two years ago.
    41:34
    And now I'm going to use the wrong line. None of the games are worthy of a good. Liability is just terrible. We have an op that has two of them, and it's just – and I saw the quality from Ron's, and no thank you. Okay. I had offers for a TNA for my Spider-Man. You know what I said? No thank you. It's a valid argument. And to be fair, Bruce, we've had players in the area, competitive players, begging for a total nuclear annihilation, and none of our operators will take the chance on it because of the quality. Yep. It's just terrible, and it shouldn't be that way. They want to be a home brew, and they want to have the homeowners and all that, but give us the quality so it can stand up to it. It just doesn't.
    42:25
    So, none of the above. Wow. Okay. Gee, I wonder what I'm going to pick. What do you own, Ron? Total Nuclear Annihilation.
    42:36
    Got to pick it. I will say, though, I prefer either playing it by myself or in a co-op. Or in a co-op. Oh, my. Yeah. Wow.
    42:50
    Playing a multiplayer, you know, game in a tournament is, I can't stand it. It's just the block stealing. I think I'm starting to gravitate over to Zach's, you know, dark side or whatever. The block stealing is just, I played it in Rock Fantasy. I'd lock a ball, lock two balls. Every single time I was up, the balls were gone. I had to start all over again. and it gets old really fast when you keep getting locks stolen.
    43:19
    But for co-op, like, playing it just trying to go for reactors is awesome, and co-op is really awesome. I think that's probably the best way to play it is in a co-op mode. All right. Yeah!
    43:32
    Well, a game I hate, and I mentioned it before, and I told you we could discuss it later, so Rob Zombie.
    43:38
    Other than the challenge on the plunge with the nigh-impossible skill shot, I don't actually think of the game so much as easy as, or as hard as I do, that it's a middle ramp all day with a wide open middle ramp. The upper play field is way too easy to stay up in, not that you want to. I did not play its latest iteration of Code, however, which I heard did help a bit with the balancing. Also, this game we did have on location. It was broken all of the time, so you could barely ever play it. And when it was working, you couldn't even see the screen. You could barely make out the scores. It was a disaster from head to toe, other than it does have a kick-ass art package.
    44:19
    But Rob Zombie is my hate from them. Yeah, me too. I mean, I don't like, I mean, yeah, it's the worst. I wasn't huge on America's Most Haunted either.
    44:33
    And, again, most of my experience with TNA was what was at Texas, and I loved it, and the Whitewood, which I loved. I've not seen the quality. I have not had to deal with the quality issues on it yet. But the quality issues I've seen on everything else are reasons to hate everything else. But that Rob Zombie was terrible. It was just horrible.
    44:52
    Domino's. That's the one of theirs I've never tried. I know. It's like Domino's pizza. You just don't want to try it. Oh, okay.
    45:02
    That's like your summary. Domino's pizza. The pizza where it's like, man, I could get Domino's or I could actually go to the store and get like a Tony's and it'd be just as good. Yeah, or better. Or better.
    45:18
    Rob Zombie. Okay. Just doesn't play well. Very nice. And I'll argue the art package. Yes, the cabinet art is awesome.
    45:28
    Playfield art, yeah. No, no, and I should have clarified. Yeah, I agree with you. The playfield is a fairly barren look. But Backglass as well as the sidecaps, I think, work it. It's so dark. I have trouble seeing anything on that game.
    45:44
    Okay. Well, now we're going to go back to the past. We don't have to upset any more existing... Yeah, now we've pissed off all the companies.
    45:52
    Don't forget us on our trivia awards. Yeah. So now that we've basically got you on lock for winning that award, because Tony and I sure as hell aren't winning it, Let's do, for company number four, Williams-branded WMS games. And so by this, I mean the ones that bore the Williams name during the WMS era. So that's 1985 to 1999.
    46:19
    And if you need examples, let me know. But I'll go ahead and actually start with my personal favorite system, 11-game pinball. it does rely more on one flipper than another but that's just about the only thing I don't care for about the game I love the sounds I think the skill shots a lot of fun to go for and it's actually very important I like that you can get the visor up with one shot if you're really careful I you could set the game up very brutal having the center post makes it a really challenging and fun way to kind of keep the ball alive but it's an outlaying vacuum monster so just overall It's my favorite of the bot series. It's my favorite System 11. And so I'll actually use it rather than a DMD for naming my favorite Williams-branded WMS game.
    47:06
    I'm going to go with what should be pretty obvious, Medieval Madness. It's just one of the greatest games in pinball ever.
    47:19
    And that's all I've got to say about that. that's all I got to say about that thanks for it overrated well I'm gonna go system 11 also taxi just a great basic fun game where you can steal multiball but once you get that multiball the two player multiball you can do a lot with the ramps. You can do a lot with things. The sound's incredible. You got a game with a bell. Great game. Great humor. This is what the, you know, I think they're finally starting to realize that humor is important in pinball. Let's get back to it, guys. Taxi show is the way.
    48:11
    Um, Demoman. There you go. Oh. That's good. I mean, come on. You have wide bodies that I like. I mean, who doesn't want to get to the second multiball just so you can hear that? Just constantly.
    48:27
    The flowingest, the flowiest wide body probably ever made. And with two different ways to control the flippers. You have handles and flipper buttons. And the claw with the proper software installed is actually good.
    48:43
    Yes, devil man. Okay. One you hate. All right. Red and Ted's Roadshow. All right. There's so much wrong with this game. First of all, you don't even need those upper flippers. It's a standard Lawler clunkiness, a game where you don't want to get the skill shot on your first ball because you want to go into Miami because only a dipshit takes New York, so that you can rack up the appropriate points. It's highly linear, but in an imbalanced way. The country music's obnoxious. The shaker motor is far too powerful and on way too much for the game. It's all just creepy mannequins everywhere. There's nothing fun to shoot about. So it's a miss on software. It's a miss on flow. It's a miss on looks, and it's a miss on sound. It is shit.
    49:30
    I give you roadshot. Wow. Damn. That was, did you mention that it was a wide body? I did. That was in my first line of attack. Do you not remember? No. There was so much. There was so much going on. I was just like getting pelted by so much hate. Yeah, so much hate. I mean, I think the play feels pretty good.
    49:51
    Yeah. The call-outs are fun. Yeah, it's goofy. It's goofy. It's got a terrible linear rule set. Dennis, right with you, brother. Dennis, right with you. No, I know Bruce. I only had mine for three weeks. What does that tell you?
    50:06
    I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. You had it two weeks too long. Yeah, two weeks and four and six days. It's too long.
    50:17
    All right. I'm going to go with Police Force. Hurry, cops. I thought you liked it. No, no, no. I find it hilarious, the whole setup for the game. But actually playing the game, where that middle ramp shot is every point in that game, it gets so boring so fast.
    50:44
    I mean, no. No, I just can't. I mean, I'll play it, but it is not a game that I would ever own or go out of my way to get.
    50:55
    I see your police force and raise you a millionaire. Terrible freaking game. You took mine, asshole.
    51:07
    Terrible. You can join me with it, too. You know, three minds think alike. It is terrible, especially with that moving motor for the skill shot. Oh, that's actually one of the only cool things in it. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. The whole game is just endless multiball and relocking balls. It's boring as fuck. It's terrible.
    51:30
    It's so bad. That's one of the few games I played at a – where did I play that? Oh, when I was – I went to a distributor because I wanted to play Dialed In again just to kind of solidify my mind if I was going to get one. and they had one of the other games there they had was Millionaire and I played the thing for like half an hour, like one ball and just got so bored I left. It's so bad. I would have shot myself.
    51:56
    So you're both unified on Millionaire then I take it. We're a quarter of the way through because we're moving on to number five. Actually do you know who also hates that?
    52:06
    Mr. Peck from New Zealand or as Bruce calls them, Randy Pack from, what, Australia? No, Rob. Rob Pack. And where did you say he was from?
    52:18
    Australia. No, yeah, but you also said, because he's using our term, Freedom Firewood. Yes, he is. And Bruce said something like you expect something like that from someone from the underworld. What the hell does that mean? He goes under us on this world. He's under us. It's down under, not the underworld, and it's not Australia anyway. They're both under the earth. It's wrong. There's so many. No, he's under us.
    52:50
    What's it called? What are the beings in Time Machine? Morlocks. There you go. There are Morlocks down there.
    52:59
    I'm just glad somebody else gets it. Slightly off topic. I had to park in an underground parking garage when my daughter was taken to the ER. And it was so many levels down that when I came out and was finally trying to get to the ER, my first comment to the person who was helping me get to the ER was that I parked so far down that I thought the Morlocks were going to come and get my car. He got it. I repeated the joke to my wife, and she just looks at me and she goes, what the fuck are you talking about?
    53:32
    Yes, thanks. Which Time Machine movie? Like the old one? Both. Both? I mean both. So wait, but there's more than one? There was a remake in like 2009 or so of Time Machine. Yeah. The Morlocks are always in it. Yeah. Not the 1960 like... They're in it too. Yeah. Who was that? Was it Rod Taylor? Is that who was in the original one? I just remember it's got Wilbur from Mr. Ed is in it. Yeah. And he's also, what's his name, Scrooge McDuck. So every time I see him, it's like, it's Scrooge McDuck.
    54:10
    A useless reference that no one will get. Let's move on. We don't understand. But we laughed anyway.
    54:17
    All right, Bally Midway of the WMS era. So Bally Midway branded games. 88 to 99 is that operating period. I'm so tempted to pick my favorite game of the 90s. But actually, I'm going to go ahead and go with The Shadow. Ooh. You know, sort of a, when I first started getting the hobby, a B-tier game that now goes for A-tier prices because everything is expensive now. But challenging shots, manual diverters make the player feel like they're really involved with the game. An interesting take on an upper play field. The multi-balls are fun. The jackpot shots present a nice challenge. It's fairly brutal. Good theme integration. Terrible theme. but we look past a lot for Brian Eddy's first playfield design credit. Yeah.
    55:06
    Dennis, what's mine? I know yours is Attack from Mars. You're right. Why? Because I'm a please. It's your favorite game of all time. But, yes, it's my favorite game of all time. One of the best flow games ever created. Yes, it is. And it's better than Medieval Madness. It is better than Medieval Madness. And I agree with you, Ron. Medieval Madness is my number two favorite game of all time. It's not only better flow, but the rules are better balanced on Attack from Mars. Yes. and when you play in a tournament, you just don't shoot the castle and hope you get a good beat on the left and trap and redo it over and over and over and over again. You're revealing my strategy, Ron. I was the only one who knew that. Yeah, exactly. The only one ever.
    55:42
    I am also going Attack from Mars. Excellent game. I own the original. Love it. Never go bye-bye. Okay. I'll go with something different. Mousing Around.
    55:53
    Oh. Didn't you hate that last week? No. Oh, come on. to the right. Nair, nair, nair, nair, nair, nair, nair, nair, nair. That's one I'm debating for my, like, worst of. Well, you're incorrect.
    56:08
    You're just wrong. I know it's not fun. Oh, it's very fun. It's very fun. It's just, like, horrible art. Oh, yes, yes, it has horrible art, yes, yes. It has mouses with, like, implants. It's bad. It's bad, but I mean, it's so good. Just a few tweaks on the rule set, and it'd be, like, top tier. Top tier.
    56:37
    Love it. But totally buy one. Game I hate from the Bally Midway WMS era, I'm going to go ahead and go with the Champion Pub.
    56:48
    What a clunk fest. this is the I think this is the example to point to where you had a group of people who were told make me a world under glass and they're like well what about gameplay and they're like no make me a world under glass and this is what you get a shit fest it's just clunky nothing the toys are all cool until you have to keep interacting with them and then they just waste time it's just it's terrible nothing it's not redeeming Bugs Bunny's Birthday Bash. Or Birthday Ball. Yeah, you miss out the title like everyone does. Yeah, it doesn't matter. That whole game sucks. Everything about that game sucks. I thought it was a terrible game the one time we ever played it, and that was before that whole bullshit ending thing where you go from winning to losing because they just decided to randomly swap everybody's fucking scores. that whole game is shit the shots are shit and the score changing thing that they were doing no that whole thing is just crap it's a little too Gottlieb really it's more like Gottlieb would do that why did Williams do that was yeah okay mine it's a toss up it really is and it's wide body to wide body so it's like Hmm. Popeye or Twilight Zone? We're going to stick with the whole theme of my whole life. Twilight Zone sucks moose balls.
    58:28
    Terrible game. Not fun to play. Let's just hit the right ramp all day. You've heard it from me before. It's just not a fun game. It does nothing for me. With torches charging down the street, I see. Yes, and it has a Powerball in it that I think somebody's going to complain about a Powerball.
    58:48
    Yes, yes, Powerball. But we'll get to that. Well, I'll complain about it now. Why is there a Powerball in there during, like, my league uses Twilight Zone. The Powerball's in there. So I had a situation where I'm in a three-person group. One of the people in my group, they come up and Powerball, like it's right in the plunger lane. They start, you know, Powerball mania, get a couple jackpots, and they just get a big score. Because they just ran it like they just happened to have the Powerball happened to be there when they got up.
    59:22
    Terrible game. Well, then I got up and at least I got a ball in the gumball to get the Powerball. I got the Powerball and then I had the greatest Powerball mania I've ever had. I think I had like six jackpots. It was something ridiculous. I ended up with like $300 million in Powerball bonus. I ended up with like $700 million. but it should not be in I mean you can just take it out right? Can't you just replace it with a regular ball? Yeah in fact we have it on location right now at 4-0-3 and I had to play it in tournament but the way they had it set up is it randomly assigned a regular ball as powerball because my opponent I got it. I got it right after I did one gumball and my opponent was like I really don't like where you can't even tell if you're going to get the powerball or not it just feels really random to me and I said sorry I won.
    60:13
    But I didn't know what else to... I hate that. I'm not a Final Game fan either. And guess what, Bruce? I got to fix it.
    60:24
    Oh, great. Lucky you. I got to fix Twilight Zone. I'm on Simpsons Pinball Party, our only other game, and Twilight Zone the left flipper starts sticking up.
    60:34
    And it's not binding. Basically the coil stop is still blown out that the plunger is sticking in it. Nice. But it's probably a new coil sleeve. The coil stop is on the way. Like, fine. But then I'm informed by our league president that he was working on it. He was trying to get it through, like, just one more week before they get the coil stop. So he decided to lube the plunger.
    60:59
    Yeah. So basically I said, you know, just open it up. We open it up. You know, bring your tools over, whatever you have. Took the coil stop off. Took the coil out. Replace the coil sleeve because the other one had oil in it. You know, wipe all the oil off. Put the thing back together, and it survived the rest of the night.
    61:19
    Yay. All this while I'm playing Simpsons, which then I went up and had a – what did I do? I think I ended up second on Simpsons, but still.
    61:29
    And someone saw me do that, and then they asked, like, oh, do you fix games? And then he had all kinds of questions. This was the whole, like, I don't want people to know I have a lot of games. I really should be more helpful. but I don't know what you know it's like this is blown out I did this you know what it might be like oh um I need a Molex connector and it's like well go to greatplaneselectronics.com here you go they'll have what you need I mean it might be a little more expensive than like buying it somewhere else but at least it's all pinball centric stuff right so I really should be more helpful I'm sorry I apologize for the community It's like if I was at his house, I would probably start working on it because I'd want to fix it. But like giving people advice. Yeah, and when I give people advice, I'm afraid I'm going to tell them the wrong thing. Then, you know, something will fry and they'll blame me.
    62:23
    Yeah. It could happen. Yeah. So what's Ron? I didn't. Bugs Bunny. Are you Twilight Zone as well? Bugs Bunny. Okay. Yeah, it makes sense. The only thing good about it is it's got orange flippers. At least they got that right. So they look like carrots. That's about it.
    62:40
    All right. Company six. We're going to start going down the heap now. Sega pinball. Sega. Game I like. Baywatch. Actually, I think this is one of Balser's best designs. A lot of shots. Wait, Balser did that?
    62:57
    Really? Pretty sure. Pretty sure? Seems too good. Pretty sure. I pride myself on memorizing designers. A Balser-Kamikau collab. so he probably got the theme and then Balser had to do the yeah I just I'm still not Balser I know but that's why I like it because it doesn't feel like him but yeah but so yeah it's got flow a lot of shots standard body cab good pacing yeah I just think it's a fun game I had an opportunity in 2012 to get one for about 900 bucks and I just missed it I waited and waited and the DMV was outgassing so I was hesitant because I was still really new in the hobby and then I finally thought, eh, I'll be alright and then, nope, he just sold it so, oh well Tony? You know, this is really tough to decide because there's not a lot good here I will you know what, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein what is the worst thing they've got it's not, no But it is, since I don't have to pick my favorite game out of this lineup because it would be, I don't know, not much. But Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, I have no problems dropping a quarter into every now and then. Okay. That's the best I can say.
    64:25
    Starship Troopers, Recon Level 1. That's a good pick. Great game. fun game sounds come from it you know the sound effects the killing the monsters and the brain bug and you know good multi-ball great light show love the game alright and if anyone wants to learn about these Sega games in detail be sure to listen to our Orin Day episode yeah that was a good episode by the way thank you so my pick GoldenEye great game I like that game I like GoldenEye It's got, again, I'm more of a shots guy, and it has lots of really good shots. Like the ramps, love the satellite dish thing. Cool. It actually works. It's got probably one of the cooler ball savers, the magnet in between the flippers.
    65:16
    And it's James Bond. Who doesn't like James Bond? James Bond. My wife. Wow. All right. But for a game I hate, I'm actually going to go ahead and give some love, in the opposite, of course, to Lost in Space. Oh, see, I was debating. Holy crap, what a turd game. Oh, it's terrible. It looks bad. The theme's bad. It's just like it's got three multiballs, and all you're trying to do is get the multiballs going. It just feels so – it's not their worst game, but it just feels so uninspired. It had roughly a production run of 600. that's at least 300 too many. It's just not good. You look at that and you're like, you guys weren't even trying anymore. It was just slap a license and hope the movie did well.
    66:08
    That movie deserved to do better than it did. I don't know. It wasn't a great movie, but it was a campy, fun movie. I was debating between that and South Park, and I think South Park. Okay. Just because the call-outs on that game make me want to rip my ears off my head. It makes money for operators. I know. I know it does. But my favorite. Oh, my God, Tony. Why don't you love my game? My favorite breakfast play has one with the volume all the way up in attract mode all the time. I stopped going there. And they're my favorite breakfast place. I don't go there. I haven't been there since April. I just couldn't put up with it anymore. Wow. I hate staying at Sam Beach.
    67:03
    I'm going with Tony. I'm not going with Tony, sorry. I'm going with Dennis on a theme, wide body, Batman Forever. He took my most games on location. didn't suck. Moose balls because the flippers are so smoked. You can't hit anything. If I have to hear dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Yes, yes. Batman Forever is also my pick, so let's design a game with ramps that if we put it at 6.5 degrees, you can barely make them with freshly rebuilt flippers. So as soon as they start to get weak, forget it. You won't be able to make anything. and who doesn't like hearing Maltivar! Maltivar! Maltivar! Maltivar! Yeah.
    67:49
    Okay. So now we're going to move back in time a bit and we're going to do Data East. A game I like. I'm going to throw a little bit of love to their first game, Laser War.
    68:00
    I think the excellent David Thiel sound package. Probably the first game Lonnie Ropp coded when he wanted to do something. And so I think the rules are fun. I mean, it's a very simple game that you're going. You're trying to hit some colored banks that activates particular locks. It's got a fun singular ramp shot that doesn't feed into an in-lane that actually drops out towards the tip of the flipper, so it has a good little challenge there. It looks good. It sounds good. Funny sound effects. Terrible trans light, but, hey, I guess they were taking some pointers from Premiere there. But anyway, yeah, I'm going to say Laser War for the game I like.
    68:38
    Let's see. There's actually a couple here that I'm pretty happy with, but I think in the end I'm going to go with WWF Royal Rumble.
    68:51
    That game, through so much nostalgia, the first time I played it was back in March, and that game was fun to play, and the nostalgia from all the old school wrestlers that I remember from when I was younger just pushed that game up to the top of my fun list. I had a great time with it. The shots aren't terrible. The call-outs are fun. That game's just pure fun. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy. Yeah. Well, you know, brother. Oh, actually, is he in the game? Oh, yeah, he was still there.
    69:22
    Yeah. Because they had a ton of steroids, remember? Yeah. Ron, would you like to take one before me?
    69:28
    Uh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. That's why I hit it. Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. I mean, am I going to pick anything other than Lethal Weapon 3? I don't think so. I agree with you also, Lethal Weapon 3. It's a fun one. Yep. You want to know a non-fun one? Sure. For instance, when I first played The Simpsons, I thought, I looked at it and I was like, it looks like they got the theme right. I knew people complained about it, but I thought, it really can't be as bad as their... Yeah, it is. It's a one-trick pony. You know, I've been telling my crusty sucks.
    70:10
    That crusty's really good. Yeah, it is. It kicks ass. The game does it, though. I feel like it better than Simpsons Pinball Party.
    70:20
    Oh, really? Yes, I do. Wow. I mean, I don't care for either of them. Yeah, neither of them are good. Yeah. I'm going to go with Maverick, because I can sit down and watch the whole fucking movie during that ball lock. Oh, the seatbelt, yeah. The paddle boat, yeah.
    70:41
    Fair enough. Hook! Terrible fucking game. Oh, my God. Roof D.O. Oh, God. It's just like sitting there and you're like, no, stop. No, why did I put money in this machine? Why did I have to play this in a league night? Why did I have to play this at all? It was a terrible game. Here's the thing on Hook. That South Park that I hate at the place I like to get breakfast so much, before South Park, they had a hook with a non-working left flipper because that's what that game needed, less working stuff. Yes. I think Hook is another one of those, we want the flippers to barely make the ramp. Yes, just barely. Yeah. I was going to take Hook, but you know what? I'm just going to take Star Trek. Can we get Shatner? No, we can't get Shatner. We'll get Scotty. Scotty will do all the voiceovers.
    71:41
    We'll have a neck in the middle with the moving target. But we will have a cool little animated back last thing. But that's about all we have. It's just not fun to play at all.
    71:54
    Star Trek. I'm going to play it once, I think. The Bally one is better. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. All right. Next up, Company 8, Capcom.
    72:07
    I'm going to go with Breakshot. As a general rule, I like single-level games. I think it's got, you know, it's got kind of an interesting look to it. EM feel, nothing to write home about. It's not very complex, but it's serviceable and doesn't feel as linear to me as some of their other products. I'm getting a slow load up here You don't have all the Capcom games memorized? No, I don't have all the Capcom I like The only ones I've played really are Like, I played the Pinball Magic and the Redo of Kingpin That they've got going on I'm going to go with probably Kingpin. Okay.
    72:58
    That was on my short list. Kingpin by far. Yeah, I think he's fun. Crushes it. I cannot wait for them to come out because I am on that list. You'll be waiting forever.
    73:09
    I don't mind. I know James very well. Kingpin, reasons above. Plays really good. I love crisscrossing habit trails. Thank you, Mark Ritchie. And they have spinners on both of them. How could you possibly fail? Exactly. Now I feel sashed and pick it.
    73:29
    A game I hate, Pinball Magic. Super linear. I just, I think, I guess people who like magic might like it. I think it's pretty uninspired. It looks okay, but I just don't think it plays very well.
    73:41
    I'd go with probably Airborne. I've only played one, and it had multiple issues with it. So maybe I could be completely wrong. That could be the most amazing game ever, but I don't think so. It's a game that only Capcom flippers can make the raps on. Yes, exactly. It is. Pinball Magic for me. I had one, got rid of it really fast.
    74:10
    Flipper Football. You took the lame one. No, exactly. It's a lame, terrible piece of shit. It's a good player. And it has an adult mode so you can hear F-bombs in it. Ooh, great. You can have a guy moon you or something like that on it. It's like, thank you, Python. Thank you. Because he got this ahead of Big Bang Bar in the queue. Thank you. Yeah, that's what killed the company. Thank you. Well, no, Zingy Bingy killed the company. But, yeah, football didn't help.
    74:40
    Okay. Next up, Alvin G. My game I like is actually the only one I've played, so I'm going to have to pass on a game I hate. But Al's Garage Band goes on a world tour. It's okay. That's all. I thought it was okay. But I never want to own one, but I thought they tried to do some interesting things with it. So I'll go ahead and I'll give it a little nod. Plus, it's probably the only one you're going to find if you're looking for an Alvin G to experience.
    75:06
    That's the exact same. It's the only one I've ever played. I know there's one. There's the soccer for sale here in the area. Oh, the head-to-head one. But even when I saw it, I haven't played it. The only thing I've played was the Garage Band, yeah. So, yay, you win by default. Congratulations.
    75:26
    Rowdy Ramp Round. It's a terrible game. Fucking pistol poker. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. That's the wrong game. Oh, wrong one. I'm sorry.
    75:36
    Rowdy Ramp Round is cue ball wizard from Premiere. Yeah. By the way, Bruce, these are games you like, not hate. I know. Mystery Castle.
    75:45
    I wanted to try that, but I haven't. Okay. Mystery Castle, I remember playing with my dad, and we played it forever. But I remember not hating it. So I'll go with Mystery Castle. And for a game to hate, yeah, Pistol Poker. We had to play that at the 24-hour. And it was just so good. Like, no one could figure out, like, what the hell, what happens on this game? There was a point where I got, like, a multi-ball, and I hit a ball somewhere, and it disappeared, and I thought it was, like, basically stuck. but found out later, like, no, it actually just holds it unless you get jackpots with the other ball. Yeah. That's okay. Bad game. Go ahead, guys.
    76:23
    All right, so, and we didn't have any hates on that one, so we'll move on to Company 10 halfway through. It's premiere time, baby. Oh, Jesus. I think Bruce needs balls to ball. Bruce is going to have to work real hard, real hard to come up with something. No, no, I'm trying to hype this up for your listeners. I'm going to go with hoops for a game I like. It's one I own.
    76:46
    Rules are fair. They're competitively viable. No mystery awards whatsoever. Your pick of choice on what you get when you do the multiball is always the same. So it completely balanced Makes you shoot around the play field Very weird asymmetrical layout from Ray Tanzer It self There a reason why Pop always has it in the Pinberg Banks
    77:10
    I'm going to go with the game you own, Silver Slugger. I like hoops, like you said, for all the reasons you said, but for me, Silver Slugger is just more enjoyable. I'll sit down and play that game every time I come over and every time I get a chance to play it. The spinners are fun to rep. it's fun to scream at the mystery awards as it gives you just total crap but it's still fun everything about that game is enjoyable there's two for me TX Sector or Hoops I'm going for Hoops it's more of an enjoyable play field TX Sector I like hitting the spinners I like a little more fun and Hoops does it for me no lights camera action? You're just going to sit on that? No, I'm not sitting on it, but playing War and War of Hoops lately, it's getting up there.
    78:02
    All right. Okay. I'm in trouble here just looking at some of these. I don't want to just – No, no. Wow. You can say Raven, Ron. No one will judge you here. Oh, no, no, no. I'd be more of a Genesis person, honestly. That's not a bad pick. No, it's not. And, you know, TX Sector, it's fun hitting spinners, but it's pretty much all you hit. That's all you hit. That's all. Of course, hoops is similar. What about your teed off you love?
    78:34
    Yeah, you know what? I'll go with teed off. Yep. Like teed off, it has, like, one of the biggest toppers you'll ever see. The thing is so freaking big. The head is so tall on that. And that thing is scary. It's like this stuffed animal that moves every couple minutes when it's in a track mode. Very scary. But it's like you go through the holes before you can lock a ball to start multiball. Of course, it's like all the modes. The software is like most of the modes you don't even want to play except for a couple of them. And everything's in the multiballs, and that's only if you get to supers. And you can trap everything with those horrific Gottlieb flippers. But still, I like it.
    79:23
    Okay. Game I hate. I'm going to go with barbed wire. Oh, my God, what a clusterfuck. I'm sure some of it was the setup. It was actually at this year's Texas Pinball Festival. It was practically unplayable from the plunge. But what little, when I got control, that I could try and do, nothing felt good. Actually, I played it with my brother-in-law, and after we got done, he said, If that's what their best was, then it was probably good that they had to close. Yeah. I agree completely. That's the exact same game that was on my mind. Yeah, it's so sad.
    79:59
    Can I do all of the above except for two or three titles? No, it's your show. Do what you want. No, I'm going to go for it. I'm going to go. I'm going to. I have one. World Challenge Soccer. Sorry, Dennis. Oh, God. It's just Car Hop plus one. Yeah, and it's bad. It's bad. I have to try it. I have to. It was in Saratoga. I got to play it. Yeah. Yeah, it's reputation precedes itself. It precedes itself. It's bad. The only people who tell me it's bad are you guys and Bo and Karen. That's it. That's not enough for you. My gut or you guys? It's okay. Wait, you should do a Patreon. for money.
    80:47
    Go to my WeFunder and help invest in my World Challenge Soccer. And then three weeks later you're going to see it for sale in Kansas City.
    80:59
    Frank Thomas Big Hurt. Really? I know some people talk that one up. It looks like it would be cool with the moving glove thing, but it's not.
    81:09
    It just isn't. And if I had to pick another game I actually like. I almost forgot. Surf and Safari. I want to try that one. I've heard as well that that one's pretty good. Surf and Safari is awesome. Just disable the skill shot. So they do a pop-up.
    81:26
    Okay. Well, continuing on our godly train wreck of doom, we're going to go to the short-lived Milstar.
    81:34
    I think we'll see if we're not all unified, but I think Alien Star is the only good game. So I'm going to go ahead and say Alien Star for my pick. It's also the only one I've played, so I'm not going to have a game I hate. But it's fun. It's a good spinner rip game. So I'm going to go with Alien Star.
    81:52
    I don't think I've played any of these games. So I'm bowing out. Well, Alien Star will be at Kansas City Game Con. It will be. So you should get some time in on it because it's actually fairly well received. I mean, it's all about shat-seeing and hitting spinners, but those are fun skills to work on. And if you watched our Twitch stream, possibly Friday or Saturday, you may see an Alien Star being played. Just saying. Oh, really? And where could we find your Twitch stream? Twitch.tv slash... Slamtilt Podcast.
    82:24
    Excellent. You didn't believe it. Zach? What do you think, Bruce? Okay. Do you have one that you're not selling? I did. Or are you hiding one from me? I did. I got rid of it. I get rid of it for a good game. What? You're saying it's not good? It's okay.
    82:44
    Okay, next. Bad. All right. I said Alien Star. And I don't have a bad, because I... No, Alien Star. I'll say Alien Star also. Okay. It's a good answer. I know one that's bad.
    82:58
    Ready. Aim. Fire. He took mine. That's his name. He took mine, too. Oh, my God. How many pop-up offers do we have on here? You know what, though? The music alone will make you want to kill yourself.
    83:13
    It's some of the worst music I've ever heard in a game. Is it worse than Grand Lizard? Worse. It's worse. I'd rather listen to Grand Lizard 24 hours a day. Well, no. I don't want to listen to Grand Lizard. But Freddie A. Fire is worse than Grand Lizard.
    83:31
    All right. Let's kick it on over to the last of our Gottliebs. We're going to do Columbia-owned Gottliebs. So that's 77 to 83. So I can see.
    83:40
    All the way back to System 1. I'm going to go ahead for my game I like, and I'm going to say Sinbad. I think that's a pretty good System 1.
    83:51
    Obviously not a complex set of rules or a very stripped-down system, as Bruce knows, as he helped me with my article on that. But, you know, you've got an interesting layout. You've got quadruple flippers, only a couple pop bumpers. For what Gottlieb was doing, I think it works. I think at least the layout's fun. The rules aren't particularly inspired.
    84:14
    I am going to go with, let's see, there's a couple on here that aren't bad, but I think I'm going to go with Volcano.
    84:25
    Because we played that at Penapalooza. It was a quarter game. I kind of like that little, I don't know what you'd call it. Ski ball thing. That ski ball shot thing on the side was a lot of fun. I rather enjoyed that game. It has a manual left, a player-controlled left kickback, too.
    84:45
    Countdown, by far. Best game they ever made. What's the sound effect of a countdown, Barry? I was counting on you to say countdown, so I dared not say it. Oh, yeah. No, countdown rocks. It's four sets of drop targets. You've got to get them in order, or you don't get the multiplier.
    85:05
    Good fun game. All right. My pick will be a tutorial featured on our YouTube channel. So just go to YouTube and search for Slamto Podcast, and that would be Spirit.
    85:17
    Hmm. I don't think I've played Spirit. Spirit is awesome. Hardly anyone has played it because they only made like 1,200 of them, and most of them went to Europe. It has basically it's a wide body. It has two ball, three ball, multi-ball, kick-ass sound. It has a up-down ramp. It has out-lane saver flippers. It has a mechanical, like, back box with a rotating thing just like a flat ball. The play field looks really interesting. It is. It is pretty good. Oh, yeah, did I mention it? Upper Playfield also. Yep. Kick-ass. I'll have to check that out when you put it up on YouTube. Yeah, there's hardly any video of it, so it was good to get the video we got. All right, Game of Hate. I am going to go ahead and go with James Bond 007.
    86:10
    The time bonus thing. They even realized it didn't work, and they released an alternative, so you didn't have to play it that way. I've tried it with the time bonus. And even setting aside the rules, it's just so floaty. It's one of their terribly large wide bodies that they were such like they took their pointers from Atari or something at the time. And obviously that was a mistake for a variety of reasons. But it just, again, another quad flipper layout. But he's got a wide open area that just has pop bumpers. Basically, his shots are kind of in the upper left and upper right. It doesn't work. I don't think it works at all. I don't think the very target's employed very well. It just, it sucks. The art sucks, too. Even though Rajamouk is the best Bond.
    86:54
    I am going to go with Dragon. I've only played it a couple of times, and all I remember is every time I walked away from the game going, where's something good, because that wasn't any fun. And then I played again, and it was like, oh, yeah, I've played this game before, and this game sucks. So that's where I'm going to go with that one.
    87:18
    Okay. I'm going to surprise a couple people and go with Haunted House, Eight Flippers of No Fun. That was my alternative. I didn't go with Haunted House. Is that a fire? Eight Flippers of No Fun? It says triple play fields mean triple fun, but no, it's Eight Flippers Mean No Fun.
    87:35
    That's a great summary. It's just, oh, just, ugh. It really is unfun to shoot, surprisingly unfun. It looks great. It's got great artwork for the time. and you're like, you come up to it, and you're like, wow, it's got three levels, this should be a great game, and you're like, ah.
    87:54
    When's it going to be over? All right, mine is going to be Genie. Because we have a super wide body, we put all the shit on there, but our software is so crappy that basically in a tournament, you shoot one bank and ignore the entire play field.
    88:16
    That's some terrible, terrible software there. So I'm going to just put this on the software. It's that bad. I'm going to just like, nope.
    88:27
    Okay. I agree with you. Our next company is going to be Williams, the pre-WMS years. That would be the time range of 67 to 85. But sticking with our solid state theme here, I'm going to go with a personal favorite of mine, Firepower. unfortunately the system six board set did not allow for the multiball to mean anything but it's a challenging game if you want to play with a multiball the six stand up targets are brutal I'm actually glad Steve Urchie didn't get away with getting to put in drop targets because I think that it would probably make the game a little too easy actually but it's a fun thing I don't play better that's what he's making me do so obviously in tournament it does become a single just rip the spinner sort of game but I think if you're playing it in a more fun environment and you're actually going to work and try and earn the multiballs, multiballs that weren't lock-stealing multiballs, they pushed the system to what it could do. I think the layout's really good, and I think it started to show the signs of the brutality that he was going to get to be known for later in his career. So for those reasons, I choose Firepower. I should play my System 7 version. They multiball-wielding something. I should. Is it not locking up anymore?
    89:40
    Yes, it's not locking up anymore. Okay. I'm going to go with Black Knight. I enjoy it. I actually enjoy the upper play fields on Black Knight and Black Knight 2000, and both of those games I've played multiple times, and they just are always games that make you walk away with a smile. So I'm going to go ahead and go with that as my preferred game.
    90:10
    Okay. I'm going a little old school. Grand Prix. Well, I guess you can weasel that in since they did prototype a few solid states. You did. They did. Five, baby. System one board set. Yes. It's a great game electronically. It is a great game. It's a great game, and they didn't make five solid states, so that's how I sneaked that baby underneath the wire and take it. You're lucky I'm well-trained on board sets to know that you were technically in the right to do this. Yeah. But I don't like it. I know, I love it. I don't like your rules manipulation. It worked, didn't it? So no EMs for this particular... Unless it was converted to solid state like the last deck. So, no. No.
    90:59
    I'll pick... I'm trying to pick something different here. This is just a game I like. It doesn't have to be a game I think is the greatest of all time. Jungle Lord.
    91:09
    Actually, I like Jungle Lord. which there'll also be a Jungle Lord tutorial at our YouTube channel where you'll get to see Jungle Lord taken to the absolute, I mean it has a 10x multiplier folks, for a game made in 1981 you can get a multiplier up to 10x you think Star Wars had it, you know, they just invented it ridiculous multiplier so I shouldn't say that actually Star Wars went up to 10x but still, it's a very fun game Makes good use of both play fields.
    91:44
    Oh, Tony. I mean, the only thing I don't like is the stupid elephant sound. That does get annoying. Okay, Dennis, I'll take away my pick. No, no, it's there. No, it's iffy, but I'll go with a better one then. Space Shuttle. But Revive Williams. That was on my short list. Yeah. That game. I like it because it's multivolved. You can steal multivolved. I know Ron loved that. I just left hitting the spinner 30 zillion times. Exactly. There's nothing bad about it. But if you want to go with, you know, a game that was not, you know, a true legitimate solid state, you can go with that one. I still like my cheating way better. Yeah. I have to respect the cheat. It was very wise. Actually, I feel bad because I, being the one who wrote all the companies, actually wrote my list so I'd know and not have to look ahead. Game I hate, I put Jungle Lord down.
    92:40
    Wrong. Incorrect. You finally disagree on something. Talk about a luck box. Holy crap. Incorrect. Jungle Lord has got too many ramps. There's too many ramps. The bag of tell isn't fun. The upper play field isn't fun. It looks weird, and I give it credit for that. Ugly-ass game, though. It's just, no. This is not a player's game. Wrong. I think I made a pretty impressive... I think my ramp... Watch our YouTube tutorial and you'll change your mind.
    93:15
    I'm always willing to have my mind changed. Unless it's about a wide body. No, I like certain wide bodies. But broadly speaking, I think it's fair for me to paint with a very, very broad brush. A wide brush? As bad as those things are, they deserve it.
    93:30
    Alright, Tony, what's the game you hate? Laser Q. It's got terrible... Wow. Oh, I know. It's just alien poker with a new skin. Exactly. And a terrible, terrible skin. And bells. Who doesn't love bells?
    93:46
    It's a better version than alien poker. It is, actually. A lot better version. It punishes you for hitting it out of order. Like, really punishes you. As in, I'm resetting everything. Try again. It's a serious game, but... See, I've not actually played alien poker.
    94:00
    Oh, you'd love to. I have played LaserQ. and it is not a favorite at all. I would get one, actually. Really? I like the brutality of it.
    94:13
    I really do. But I have you all beat. This is so easy. Pokerino. I wanted to put it down, but I've never actually played it. Oh, it's the ugliest playfield ever.
    94:28
    The ugliest, by far. It is a terrible game. Oh, it's just... Oh, wow, that play field is horrible. It's just horrible. It really is. The back glass is terrible. The back glass is just like, oh, let's just put cards with legs on them.
    94:49
    What the... Turn it into a Steve Kordek classic. Oh, it's terrible. It can't even help it. Done. World Cup.
    95:00
    Good pick. I thought about that one, too. And they made a ton of them. Man, they made 6,000 of those.
    95:08
    Is it worse than World Challenge Soccer? Ooh. Yes. Because you can just hit. Yeah, you can play it longer than World Challenge Soccer. So you're forced to play it longer, so I guess it's worse. Yes, it is. Okay. That's what I needed to hear.
    95:24
    All right, next up, Bally Midway, the pre-WMS year. So this is 83 to 88. Oh, boy. So a game I like, 8-Ball Champ, I'm going to go with. Yeah, it's outside the iffy electronics and the particle board feeling cabinet. The game itself, pretty clever.
    95:46
    It's like you think of it in the sequence of 8-Ball and 8-Ball Deluxe and 8-Ball Champ. What I like about it is it doesn't try and clone 8-Ball Deluxe. It's its own thing. I think the rules work for it. I think it's a pretty fun shooter. if you don't make it too ugly. I think it's quite a tolerable game, and it would be one I would consider at a deal price, but I would consider it.
    96:10
    Tony? He's having problems. Are you in shock? So many turns. I mean, 8-Ball Deluxe is obviously the one to go for as a good game. He's got you there. I did, and I almost put that one down, but since that was technically the remake, I went ahead and skipped it when doing Battle of Midwell. An 8-ball champ's better.
    96:36
    Oh, them's fighting words in the pinball community. An 8-ball champ is better. It's better. I think you know that. I think you know that you're wrong. No.
    96:46
    You get more shots around the play field instead of all the targets in one area. Yep. This guy's got a nice orbit shot they ripped off from Fathom. It's superior. I do like Fathom that's not in this I know I'm still allowed to enjoy things that aren't in there just say hard body and move on BMX is better no one's played BMX though except me because I've played everything like I said that's why we're doing this segment to demonstrate your vast knowledge over us mere mortals So my turn You gotta try to pick another one Tony that 8 ball deluxe Oh Yeah Go on It's fair enough they did make it I mean yeah I mean if I was gonna go Cause my other one I'm gonna go there Is just gonna be centaur 2 So I'm copping out pretty much any way I'm going to go on this list. I see that. Okay. Blackbird 100.
    97:58
    I've seen this, but I can't get it. I love the game. Did you not play it when you were up there? I played half of the game, and then I went and started doing something else. You got to really rake it to make fun. You really got to give it a good angle. If you make it floaty, you can be on it all day. But it's fun. I like the sounds, you know, the motorcycle sound or anything like that. The theme is good. the shots are cool. I like it.
    98:24
    Okay. Alright, you ready? Yes. I was going to say 8-ball champ, but you already said that, so I'm going to have my guilty pleasure machine. Oh, no. Fireball classic. I thought you were going to do heavy metal mountdown. No, that's there, but fireball classic, I'm going to pick. Even though I just said I hate the lock stealing, for whatever reason, it feels totally different in this game than it does in any other game. And the sounds are so bad, they're good.
    98:54
    Okay. Worst one, Tony. Dennis? Game I hate, Spy Hunter. Holy crap. I actually respect the fact that they were willing to do offset flippers, but the fact that the left side is just a damn bag of towel, the worst thing from the EM era, just totally screws the game, regardless of anything else. but it doesn't play well, even if you ignore the bag of tell. It just sucks. Fun video game, though.
    99:23
    Yeah. I agree. But, yeah, no, Spy Hunter was mine also. Okay. It's the right answer. Motor Dome. No, it's not. Motor Dome. You took my... That's total shit. Motor Dome. Why did I have to play this game?
    99:42
    Oh, my God. Why? It's game. At least you can do it. Motor Dome. Why must I play it tonight? You see, you shouldn't.
    99:55
    This is terrible. It's terrible. And I have to play it at Pinberg every year. I end up in the office. Motor Dome. And I have to remember to pick level three or whatever. Yeah. Pick level three.
    100:07
    I'll have to experience it sometime next year. Oh, you don't want to. You don't want to. I'll put it as a stretch goal on my Kickstarter. Yeah.
    100:15
    Okay. Buying Dennis bad games. Yes. Moving on to Valley Pre-Midway. So this would be when they operated from 31 to 83. So we get some of their gems in this list.
    100:27
    Obviously, I'm going to pull something from Class of 81. I'm going to go ahead, though, and go with Flash Gordon.
    100:35
    Most brutal game of the 80s, in my opinion. Single ball game, but I think because of its challenge and its short ball times, it's actually quite a bit of fun. It's nice to basically never be safe. You can't stay up on that upper play field. The drop targets are so lucrative. I think it's got the best integration of the in-line drops in any game I've played, at least any before the 2000s. So, yeah, I love Flash Gordon. The only reason I wouldn't own it is I think most of the people who'd come over to my house would get mad at it. I can understand that. Too hard. Too hard for the casual. I'm going to go with Knight Rider Symmetrical game Nothing really crazy and special But every time I've played it I've just had a great time With it I mean There's nothing special at all about it It's got some spinners You can't let my secret out You cannot let my secret out That all you need is a lot of spinners And I'm a happy man We got manipulated with a bullshit Grand Prix. Of course, the speaker's out. Woo-hoo! So you must love, like, Stargazer, let's see, Warlock. I'm trying to think of any game with, like, three spinners.
    101:50
    Yeah, but only one spinner's worth anything on Stargazer. Actually, no. No. No, no, no. You only have to use one, man. You only have to use one. It only takes one. Well, no, you have to hit something to make that one worth something. It's in the same spot. You have to make it worth something. You're assuming you're playing someone else's where you can just trap at will. But, see, that's not how it's played. I don't trap at will. Don't you tell me what I can do.
    102:16
    I'm an electronics of the next company, so I will. Okay. I'm going to change it up a little bit. I'm going Paragon.
    102:24
    Brutal, brutal. It is. Yeah, but don't you think it's a bit of a one-flipper game? No, because I actually like getting it back up top so I can try to get the cliffs. I like the game. I had to trade it away, but I'll get another one that's easy enough to get. Okay. That's a good argument.
    102:46
    Blackjack. Very good. Blackjack is Blackjack. Beat the dealer. Back in the house. I've never seen this game as I look at it. It's a great game. Great game. How to get back. Yep.
    103:04
    All right. Games we hate. For me, Silver Ball Mania. Oh, you took mine. Because I'm cruel, Ron, and we only disagree on like 2% of games.
    103:16
    Oh, my God. All day. What a turd. I'm using a Bruce phrase. I just, I played it multiple times at shows. I just, it's so boring. It's just so boring. Center, center, center, center, center. So Silver barf's funnery Or whatever And that didn't work But I'm getting too tired to talk I'm too tired to talk anymore My mouth is worn out I'm all talked out I'm going to go with Dolly Parton Really? Yeah It was either this or Toadshot Oh But Xenon was my first solid state The call outs on Xenon are just Enough fun that I'm going to leave it in Try to eat him But yeah no Dolly Parton is one of those games that every time I've played it, which has only been twice, was like, wow, this is just not good. Not only did I voice Venon, you might know me from my hit work as Storm on the X-Men game. Oh, God. I am Storm! Hear me!
    104:23
    Exit one, exit two. Try a soup shot. Oh, soup shot. Tell people that's like a porno game. That's the most offensive game ever made. It's really bad. Riding in the streets. We were at a large adults-only pinball gathering, and several of us had been drinking too much. And Dennis was not one of them Because he was driving But we got to the point where No matter what game we played Every call out was Go for the tube shot Every game We were playing fireball We were talking about the tube shot It didn't matter Any game we played that's what it was Because we played Xenon And it just got stuck in our heads Spectrum terrible game it's just complicated it's just a rainbow for Bruce I know I enjoy the game I just don't like the game I can play it, I know how to play it well, know what to look for you enjoy the game but you don't like the game I enjoy it in competition because you can actually outthink somebody and beat them but the shots are not fun ok they're not I'm still on your other line there I think whatever Well you know what mine is I can only pick one The Six Million Dollar Man I'm never going to go for something else No, the game that's just screwed me over multiple times it has to remain on the hate list Okay It sucks That makes sense Okay, now we're moving to the Weird Territories? No, the Kremdok. Oh, okay. The Kremdok.
    106:22
    What you two as a duo have, you've destroyed this hobby with price increases. Yep. I mean, even Split Second now is probably a $1,200 game as we see it. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry.
    106:36
    So Stern Electronics. And while I was talking about the one shot, I do want to elaborate a bit because one of my games I like is Stargazer, so I'll go with that. and yeah, it's really, it's challenging. So I like it for that. I mean, obviously, iconic art package.
    106:52
    Yeah, for a lot of the points, you go ahead and attack that upper left drop target bank and then just keep doing the upper left spinner, but they're so close together and trying to time it just right when it's going really fast to maximize that spinner value. That's a lot of fun and it's not easy to repeat. So for that reason, yeah, I think Stargazer's probably one of the, if not the best game they made.
    107:15
    Meteor. I'm not surprised. It's it came very close to being my very first pinball machine, which I still haven't gotten, but I bought a car instead. But no, it is a game that is just, it's enjoyable and it's you know, a licensed tie-in to a terrible movie and that's okay.
    107:37
    Alright. Quicksilver. I knew he'd do that. he's always stealing what you want well we share so what the hell why is it great Bruce great game spinners you can sweep the center bank you can go for the upper right bank for the multipliers and all around the plate you have to shoot the fellow quicksilver the only issue is the previous owner put repro targets in your quicksilver so now they just break constantly I mean, me. That's why I've been trying to build up. I've been building up a stockpile. Good. Send some of them my way. Especially the assets. We need to replace them. Put the ranked targets in. I have a couple so far. So I'll pick something else. Stars. Why not? Who doesn't like stars? Stars is just the greatest games ever made. Period. It's stars. Everyone owns one now. That's y'all's fault, too. They made a bunch of them. there's plenty of stars to go around out there. Yep. That's true. All right, game I hate. I know this ain't going to shock anyone. Orbiter One. You know, I knew that was going to be the game you hate so much that I almost put it as the game I like. That would have been fucking petty, and I'm glad you did. Have some class. I couldn't bring myself to do it. All right, Orbiter One. Wide-body trash in its truest form. Weirdy plastic play field. You can't predict where the ball's going. And even if you do get control, and I saw the tutorial where Bowen did, there's not a lot to do. And, in fact, it seems like you have to have some pretty snappy flippers if you're ever going to get back up to those back targets. So it's a neat gimmick one time, and otherwise, meh.
    109:31
    Orbiter 1. I was going to do it for both. Because the first time I played it, I was just like, oh, this game's interesting. It's so weird, and it's so fun. It's just so different. And then the second time I played it and the third time I played it and by the fourth time I played it, I'm like, this is just total crap. And it's a waste of time and it's a waste of everything. And everything, I can't believe I thought anything was fun in this game. But I did it one time. You don't like the speech? Shoot pinball like it's so good to shoot the pinball.
    110:06
    Shoot here and here. If you've ever played it, the reason it has to. Everything's collapsed. best to say shoot a pinball because the plunger is so low, you'll be like, you won't even figure out how to plunge the ball because you can't see it.
    110:20
    I don't want to follow the boat, but I have to. Follow the boat. Yep. Okay. Nope, water one. Terrible. Good for boards. Good for boards? Good for boards. And drop targets. That's all. I hate more than orbiter one. Viper? No, no. Viper is not that bad.
    110:46
    Bruce will probably get it. What do you think I would hate more than Orbiter 1? Either Magic or Galaxy. No, no. Nugent? Iron Maiden. Really? I don't mind Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden sucks. It's bad. It's so bad. It's bad. It's bad, but, you know, it's not as bad as Orbiter 1. The gimmick is the back glass with the pulsing light, and that's it. It's because the rest of it is shit. Terrible game. Terrible play field. I'm sure everyone listening is competent, but just in case, we're not talking about Elwynn's modern Iron Maiden. No, we're not talking about that Iron Maiden. Only Zach hates that Iron Maiden. We're talking about the old Stern Iron Maiden, and it's just terrible. It's got the upper play field. It's bi-level. It's terrible. It's just a terrible game.
    111:36
    Okay. All right. Well, we're almost to the end. 17th company is Game Plan. And I will initiate a game I like, Sharpshooter, the game that made them decide that they didn't have to do cocktail pins anymore. And then the game that made them decide, oops, we made a terrible mistake. But it was their best produced game. I like the double pop bumpers that it has instead of the slingshot over on the right. It's got that angled drop target bank, which is the feature I more associate with Gottlieb. It's got spinner. It's just an interesting layout. And, yeah, I mean, it is what it is. It's designed to make you snipe targets. So kudos to Sharpshooter.
    112:19
    Let's see. Game plan. Have I played any of these? Who knows? I don't think I've played any of these. Okay. There we go. I'm done. All right. Cyclopses.
    112:33
    Cyclopses. Yeah. Okay. So the game with the most ass ever. Yeah, the most ass ever. You know, you get stuck with it at a Pimberg also, so you've got to play it. Isn't that Josh's favorite game? Well, I hope not because his mom's on it. Well, yeah, his mom's on it, yes. All right, so. If you don't pick the one that I think you should pick. Well, you know, if I'm going to do my reputation that I have played everything, I must pick Loch Ness Monster. Very good. Because there are probably a handful of people who have actually played this game. Funny thing is I know the owner, the person who owns it now. But it was actually not bad. It's got multiball. It has a window in the center. And just think like Creature from the Black Lagoon, but instead of a hologram, it's like an actual molded figurine thing that rotates on a turntable.
    113:29
    Oh, okay. Interesting. And I remember it played... He did say it. I was going to call him out. It played decent. So, and there's probably very few people who have played that game. So I have to say, Loch Ness Monster.
    113:42
    All right. Game I hate. I'm going to go, and this is more of a mad game really than a hate, but there are so few game plans I've played. I'm going to go with Attila the Hun.
    113:53
    Just the layout, it's so open. So you got a few, you got like three targets on the left and three targets on the right to spell Attila. and I guess you go up and get up top via the spinner or the inner orbit and there's a captive ball. I played this at the most recent Texas and I was just, I looked up the rules afterwards and it's just like, they're not very well balanced even for the era and it was just sort of a meh thing for me. And actually one came up for sale less than two hours away and I was like, it sat for like three weeks. I think someone from Texas finally came and bought it for $500. I did play a Teledon. I remember it, but as soon as you described it, I remembered it. Well, it's very forgettable, so I'm not surprised. I have played a game plan game. I'm not surprised you didn't remember it. Anyway, so that will put down on the hate list.
    114:41
    I'll throw it there, too. Why not? Okay. Because I forgot about it until you started talking about it, so obviously it didn't stick. Bruce? I am going with Old Coney Island.
    114:52
    It's an terrible game. It's not fun at all. Actually, one guy had one for sale. I went through his plays like, oh, Craigslist ad. Pinball machine, $300. I was like, okay, I'll call him first. Okay, what is it? Coney Island. Okay, good luck. Thanks very much. Have a nice day.
    115:12
    I didn't even want to even know about it. It was just, I've played it before. It's terrible. Not fun.
    115:19
    I didn't hate it as much as you, but I will have to say Coney Island. Okay. All right. Company 18 Playmatic Playmatic All right That right Playmatic All right Game you like I going with I believe their first solid state I going to go with Space Gambler
    115:38
    Rip off Star Wars back glass is always a nice spot. Thank you, Spain, for that. Actually, it's not a symmetrical layout. They put a center spinner, though, up into their little square pop bumpers, and it doesn't end up with a lot of straight down the middle feeds. It actually plays pretty well. A very simple game, but you go in, you build up your bonuses. It's straightforward, but it plays a little easy, but I think it's fun.
    116:11
    And EMWay. Space Gambler is the only Playmatic game I've played. Oh, wow. So it is both my favorite and my least favorite. Okay.
    116:23
    What are these games? I knew you were going to say that. I thought you played everything. I know you've played everything.
    116:31
    These don't even have production numbers. Well, Spain's reporting was, you know, iffy, but Playmatic was a major exporter. Surely you've encountered these games. Oh, boy. This is like a little dig, I think. Oh, well, okay. They're the ones that have the square pop-upers for some reason. Yeah.
    116:50
    Yes, I played some of these. I don't remember what they were. Yeah, honestly, I played Nautilus once. I have played Nautilus and I walked away from it ok so I guess that's a game you hate and then not even a likeer game I was like oh this guy looks pretty cool and he just walked away did nothing for me so I got nothing oh yeah Space Gambler that kicked ass I remember playing that I'm looking at the picture let me know my brother-in-law has one it looks ok it's got a spinner it's got an orbit that leads up to the top I see people parting out space gamblers in big towns all the time so there you go but man that Spain 82 I hated that game I remember that Spain 82 is terrible I remember playing that somewhere at some point that one was deliberately a bit devious of me I'm going to say what it was Spain 82 has a tube in it it's a tube shot Try tube shot. Hola, tube shot. Hello, tube shot. Sorry. I took like four years of Spanish. I can barely speak it anymore. I actually played, if you want to go by EMs, I played the 30s.
    118:10
    You played in the 30s? You're older than I thought. No, we're not doing EMs. We don't have enough time. We're doing college safety. I know.
    118:20
    Now, this next one, though, I'm sure Ron actually has done, and that would be our 19th company, Zachariah. so game you like this is the only one I've played physically but there is a nice virtual Zocaria pinball available on Switch and on Steam if you ever want to play some of these and not have to pay a lot of money but fuck all I think the layout is pretty good I like the, I mean obviously a lot of the Solid State Zocarias went with the time bonus which was an interesting thing though no one knows about it but you know getting up to the upper play field, it's very colorful It's a drop game, so, I mean, if you hate drop targets, Farfalla's not for you. But I thought it played pretty well. We saw it at Texas a couple years ago, and the owner came up and explained how to play it. And, yeah, so I think it's a game worth liking.
    119:10
    Yeah, I liked Farfalla. It was a lot of fun when we played it. I've not played any of their other games, so. Okay. So you'll just have a game you like? Yep.
    119:20
    And I like Pinball Champ 82. I do. I got a pop-up. That virtually is good. I played a pop-up, and it's really fun. I got to play Lyman Sheets against it, so that was fun to do, too. Did you win? I did. I beat him. You got to play Lyman Sheets against it, so you pinned him up against the game while you did it. I took advantage of him.
    119:42
    I will say aerobatics. This has been in Texas for the last couple years. Obviously the same one. And it's actually, oh, I can't say that. It's an EM game. Okay. Damn it. I really liked it, though. The next thing you'll say, Lucky Fruit, no. Because otherwise I was going to pick Farfalla, and I didn't want to pick that. That's okay. Well, I'll have to pick Farfalla. I love drop targets, and, man, it's got a lot of drop targets.
    120:12
    Well, I've played a number of them simulated, so I'm declaring that as a qualifier so people take this with a grain of salt. But I'm going to go with Zancor for my game I hate. Oh, my God. The sound package alone was enough to take a drill bit to my ear. I actually have no hearing now in the right ear because I did do this because sometimes sacrifice is necessary for the advancement of science.
    120:35
    It's a fairly uninspired layout. It's got, like, a little carryover thing for the ball to roll from the left to the right when you shoot it. It's just not – I mean, this was where they were getting to the end. So it's just that the sound package alone sucks. I just don't think it plays well either.
    120:53
    I don't know if any of you have any other Zacharias that you... Time Machine. I almost named that. Because the same reason. The sound freaks me out. It just freaks me out. And now we start. And then when you shoot shots, they thought it was cool that they had enough targets where they could detect if you missed something to the left or to the right. So it would say, like, a little more to the left, a little more to the right. In, like, really, like, bad English. It just, it's a scary-sounding game. I have nightmares about this game. And then the art, too. The dude on the back left is scary-looking. It's just a sound to the left. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No. Magic Castle for me. Terrible game.
    121:36
    They have it once in a while at Allentown, and I play it, and it's like, ugh. It's kind of mechanical backlash. Yeah. I can have it back here. All right. Last company. Atari.
    121:52
    There's only one choice for Game of the Week. There's only one choice. A game I like, and I won't have a game I hate because it's the only one I've played, but Superman. All right. Steve Ritchie's second effort. I'm not a huge fan of the game in and of itself, but it is a decent game. There's no way to spot letters, so you actually have to play the entire play field to spell Superman, which is your primary objective. Unfortunately, it doesn't reset after you do so until you drain.
    122:20
    But you can always work on dropping the drop target bank and advancing the upper left kick-out hole. It does have two spinners. If your flippers are strong, the left one is a doable shot, but it's not a great shot. The right one is a much better-flowing shot. Bonus advance out of the top lanes.
    122:36
    I believe Eugene Jarvis did the rules on it, and you can tell. So, actually, overall, it's a pretty good package. I understand why Atari had high demand for it, and because it was Atari, I also understood why they couldn't keep up and they lost the license before they built enough of them.
    122:52
    I do like Superman. Superman is probably the best of these that I've played, with the caveat that I've played Superman and Airborne Avenger. Okay.
    123:01
    I'm actually going to go one different. I've actually played it. That's why, too. I like Superman, and I don't want to fall. I actually like Roadrunner. They actually Every year they have The California Extreme Oh and They have that And 4x4 I've wanted to try One of the System 3's But they're just I mean they're so rare And it's fun I actually enjoyed it A lot Superman Steve Ritchie Superman Yep He was so good They We have tired him away Yep And brought them out Of the Pocorino And into The Flash He brought out Pocorino and Interstellar Wars Yeah Which sold way more than Pocorino, or did it? It did I don't have a game I hate Because I haven't tried enough of the other ones Oh, you have an experience The awesomeness I have a friend who has a Middle Earth But I haven't had a chance to go up and play it And then we have someone else out in I love you. Who has, I think he's got the Atarians. Middle Earth. He must have space riders. Offset flippers. What a great idea. Hey, they were being, that was like the EM thing. People were being different. It wasn't all Italian bottom layouts.
    124:21
    No. The Atari games, I've said it a zillion times, I'll say it again. Best quote I've ever heard is, most of the Atari games look like prototypes. Like, oh, they tried this crazy stuff on this prototype. Like, oh, no, this is an actual production game. What? Say what? So I will give you time 2,000. Yes, thank you. So please bring that up in your IPDB and look at the flippers. Okay. And, well, the one I'm looking at, the one flipper is cockeyed, but they should both. Cockeyed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, when you hit the left flipper button, what do you think would happen? I assume the flipper furthest to the left and the flipper second to the right would flip. No. Both flippers on the left flip at the same time. What? Yeah, that's terrible. And when you hit the right flipper, both on the right flip, it screws everything with you. It screws you up big time.
    125:19
    But I see I could activate triple bonus. Yeah, you can activate the slam tilt and leave. Terrible game. Terrible. Terrible game. Who thought that was a good idea? Who thought it was a good idea putting circuit boards in the body? Oh, didn't Jersey Jack do that? Well, at least they put something over it. Okay, let me rephrase that. Putting circuit boards in the body with nothing to protect them from falling objects like, I don't know, dust, screws, coils, mechs. They learned after an arcade in California caught fire. They literally didn't learn. Superman.
    126:03
    Wasn't it for Superman that they even did a standard, like, you know, maybe we should put the score on the back glass like everyone else and not on the apron where no one can see it? They were innovative, Ron. Look at that innovation. They didn't want to strain your neck. They weren't a pinball company. You're looking down already, you might as well look at your score. They were a video game company trying to make pinball. That's why I laughed. This was highway pinball before it's time. Oh, no, they made a lot more games than Highway Pinball. That's true. It's interesting when you see some of these failed past companies, and you look at these production counts, and you're like, them at their worst were so much better than today at its best.
    126:43
    Anyway, those were my companies, so thank you for allowing us to play your game. This is the longest, the longest, I'm sure, we like when we hate ever. 45 minutes ago. It's their best segment they ever had. This is better than whatever the other one you guys were placing. Face Off. Yeah, it's better than Face Off.
    127:04
    Well, I wanted to tell you guys about a couple new products that came out this week and announced in the past week or two. Okay.
    127:11
    First company, I put it on our Facebook page. It's the Beehive Pinball. And why is this so important to us? because finally somebody has made the PETG plastic pinball play shields for Stern Pinball Electronics Games. Meteor, Big Game, Sea Witch, Stargazer, Quicksilver, and S.T.A.R.S. with Flight 2000, Galaxy, Dracula, and others soon to be followed.
    127:41
    $75 for Playfield Protector 2. Others soon to be followed. You are Bruce-ism like crazy today. No, that's what it says on their website. Soon to be followed. Others will soon, we'll be, oh, sorry. We'll be soon to be followed. No, we'll be soon to follow. Okay, that's not what you said.
    128:01
    What's this site again? It is Beehive Pinball. BeehivePinball.com. If you go to our Facebook page, it's there. Oh, it doesn't work.
    128:13
    Go to BeehivePinball.BigCartel.com. Wait a minute, dot, dot. It works. It's going to work. I'm sorry. Big. Go to the Oaks.com. What the hell? Ron, there's a link off your MySpace page. Oh, no, that URL is too long. That scares me.
    128:34
    I would think with this company name they would sell like beehive shooters. But look how clear and how smooth and how glass the play field is, shiny is. So what are these? They're just play field protectors? Playfield protectors. The guys in Germany do not do the discerns, so he took it upon himself to do discerns. There you go. And he's got the two most popular, Meteor and Big Game. Next, a company is replacing the display controllers and remaking them for the Data East and early Sega pinball machines that go on the back of the DMDs. So if you need a replacement for them at a cheaper cost, they now make the CPU controller for the older games.
    129:24
    So that's also on our Facebook page. And did you know, I found out today from NAP Arcade, that there's an arcade reality TV show?
    129:37
    No. In the Silver Ball Saloon in East Rochester, New York? No. On Amazon. there is a it's in season 2 right now Twinkadia the arcade reality show there are 22 episodes wow ok so if you have Prime and each show is 19 to 22 minutes so it's like a pinball podcast I have Prime I'll take a look at that yeah so I thought it would be pretty neat and the link is up on our... Minnesota or something? Yes.
    130:15
    It's pretty cool, I thought. Alright. So those are the three things I found this week that's been out. New products. But the nicest thing was definitely the stern playfield protectors. Because we love our sterns. We do, because we're trying to make them even more money.
    130:37
    More money. No money, no money, no money. I'm sure Sam thanks you. Oh, Jesus, Sam. We also had a, we put a link on our Facebook page about the opening, since it is a little bit Stern related, a new in-box opening of a Chicago coin. What was the game? It was a. Sound stage. That stage. they opened a brand new in box soundstage now the only thing I thought of when they were opening this game up is first how cool it was to see a brand new you know EM second I saw those beautiful brand new gray stern legs and I said don't put them on the machine send them to somebody to reproduce them that's all I thought of since because of Chicago coin was the company that Stern, Gary Stern, bought out and made into Stern Electronics. Well, Sam Stern bought out, but yes. Yes. And so there's a nice video of 13 minutes, how they unbox this machine and get it ready and actually power it up and play it. That's awesome. It worked. Cool. Where did they come across the new inbox? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would say? Well, there's a collector that's owned it for a while, and they wanted to do something special because it's their last new inbox They're going to open their existing building before they moved, and they got something special. Yeah, there was an unboxing of an old, yeah, Bally, I think, silver sails bingo. Yeah, I saw that. I watched that. Yeah, this is even a little cooler because you see how they set them up. And when I saw those gray stern legs, I was like, no!
    132:26
    But it would have been funny if he said, yeah, we're going to send these out, And you'd think that he was going to, for them to be reproduced, instead he just got them croned.
    132:35
    Oh. So it was kind of cool. That was really cool. So you have permission to update our page? Amazing. I do. Go figure. So, repairs.
    132:49
    I had a lot this week. I had none. I just updated my dialed in, that's all. I got Gametron at the bar today. so Gamitron will be on location for tomorrow but I had to do a lot to get it working the digit 4 the display 4 digit 4 the fourth display digit in player 4 was completely out it was a bad pin on the it wasn't out for 4 hours and 4 days 4 hours and 4 minutes and 44 seconds so lot. I repaired that. I replaced Optos in my AFM for the couple things. I replaced a couple switches.
    133:40
    Oh, what else? Ordered parts, a lot of parts, and I'm ordering the back glasses for me and Ron next week.
    133:48
    Oh, cool. So I thought you'd be happy about that. Those are the Dragon Fist back glasses. Yes, we are. We're Dragon Fisting. for Dragon Fisting.
    133:59
    So, do we want to end it with the mailbag? Oh, yes, the mailbag. Yes, the mailbag. How many people are worshipping you now that you're reducing your production schedule? That's the thing. We have some emails. How does it feel?
    134:14
    We got a lot of people commenting on Facebook and emails, and it was very nice to see. Thank you. And if you do like us, vote for us for the Twippy's because we're not going to be available for next year for getting it on. So we need to pull your heartstrings now. We're not available for getting it on. Getting it on next year. We're only going to be doing like a limited schedule. What's with you today? Oh, my God. Nobody's going to think about us next year. We're going to be like the afterthought. I don't know. People voted for TopCast last year, and they've been off the air for like nine years. That's true.
    134:44
    I was on TopCast, you know. I did several promos. You were a couple times, weren't you? I did several promos for TopCast. I did a Triumph Insult Dog promo and a Krusty, which I'm sure was just people said how bad my crusty was, you know. Mm-hmm.
    134:59
    All right. So the first email we have is from This Week in Pinball. Oh. Hi, This Week in Pinball. Hi, Jeff. It says, Ron, I hope me saying hi to you at Expo wasn't what pushed you over the edge.
    135:15
    Weekly is a lot of time and commitment. Best of luck to both of you. We're looking forward to hearing your podcast in 2019 as much as you can record. So was he the pushover? Did he push you over the edge? Was he the pushover? Yeah, did he push you over the edge? This is the most bruising. Did he push you over the edge? No, he did not push me over the edge. Okay. Tell him that. You know, he said, I hope it wasn't. Now you've got to confirm. I confirm. No one person pushed me over the edge. Okay. There were two. It was Zach also.
    135:49
    Okay, we have. This is from Michael Higgins. Hello, Michael. This is Hi, Ron. Hi, Bruce. Good day from Australia. The hotbed of Slam Tilt fans, obviously, in Australia. I was sad to hear the news from the last podcast that you will be reducing the frequency of podcasts at the end of the year. Your podcast has become one of the regular ones I listen to each week and look forward to each one. I only started listening about 30 weeks ago, but you have earned your place as one of my favorites. While I'm sad to hear the news, I also understand the commitment required to do this and appreciate totally and respect the choice you guys are making. I look forward to the future podcasts and hope you can continue for years to come at a reduced rate. Many thanks for sharing a window into your lives. I appreciate it. Regards, Michael Higgins. P.S. I don't have an IFBA number as I have never played competitive pinball hall. Okay. I can appreciate the breaking it down into weeks. I appreciate that. Yeah. 30 weeks to go.
    136:54
    Then we have another Michael. Michael McMinn. The subject is the final Bruce-ism. It says, hi, Ron and Bruce. Long-time listener. First-time emailer from Australia. See a friend here. I have always enjoyed your show. It was very sad to hear of the downscaling slash back-sizing slash degradating slash bewittling, insert better Bruce-ism here, of your podcast after 2018. Very good. I just want to say thanks for all the laughs and memories. You really created a fun and somewhat informative podcast.
    137:32
    Without your trailblazing ideas, other podcasts would never have been successful, let alone funny. As you know, we convicts need something to plunder.
    137:41
    I sincerely hope that as a parting gift from the pinball media, you can be awarded a special Twippy for best non-pinball-related discussion on a pinball podcast for your excellent pre-boarding and post-boarding of an aeroplane dialogue, which was a real can of worms opener. And I hope commercial airlines all around the world are taking a good hard look at their abruce of grammar. That's abruce of grammar, not abuse, abruce. Anyway, I wish you all the best in your endeavors and hope to hear your, oh boy, D-U-L-C-E-T.
    138:16
    Dulcet. Dulcet tones gracing the pod waves again each year, even if only occasionally. Yours sincerely, Mick Min, player 29616.
    138:29
    Thank you. I hope his very kind comments about you and the reference to other podcasts was just pointed at head-to-head because I'd like you to know that despite your trailblazing efforts, Tony and I are still not successful.
    138:44
    Indulged in tones, I thought maybe the pinball princess might have written this letter for a second. Maybe. I think he used one of hers as inspiration. Yeah, I think so. Maybe he did.
    138:56
    Did you have anything that you had some other ones? I have more. I have Jim Martin. Oh, boy. I've been listening since the beginning, but I have never contacted you guys before. I wanted to say thank you for all the great content you have given me and everyone else over the years. I'll miss your weekly cast, but certainly understand your much-deserved slowdown. Thank you, Jim. Thank you very much, Jim. Thank you. We had a lot of people just commenting on Facebook like, oh, my God, thank you. It was really nice. It was very nice to see and appreciate. But today, when I went to the mail, I actually, the mailbox, and I went to work at the Super Bowl Saloon, Which is located where?
    139:34
    135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. I got a letter. A letter? First letter. You mean an actual letter? An actual card. Wow. It says, Warm Wishes.
    139:49
    And I hope this person does not mind me reading it out loud, but I'm going to read it to you guys. It is to the fellows of Slam Tilt Podcast. It has been such a pleasure meeting you both this year, and I cannot thank you enough for the encouragement you have given me, and especially Steph, to the Riptide podcast. I also want to express my appreciation for the great job you guys do on Slam Tilt. Sometimes it gets a bit lonely working alone in an arcade during the day, but when you get to listen to you guys, you dudes, goof off, give great tech tips, or hold awesome interviews, the hours fly by. Hope you and your families have a terrific holiday and a great new year. Crystal. P.S. I hope it was okay to send this to the Silver Wall Saloon, Bruce. P.P.S. I hope my writing wasn't too ineligible. Illegible. Sorry. It was pretty bad. I was like sitting there like, eh.
    140:44
    It was really nice. Thank you, Crystal. That was very nice. I was like, it's addressed to me, but it's from, oh, my gosh, from Chicago. Okay. And that's Crystal of the Riptide Pinball Podcast, which I have it on Good Authority. It has actually been edited. It is in the final stages prior to release, as in it will probably be released any day now. It might even be out before this is released.
    141:10
    And then Jeff put a nice podcast up. I think, did he put it up? He did put it up. You mean Jeff Teolis of Pinball Profile? He did.
    141:21
    And do you think I listened to it, Bruce? I don't know. Did you? Of course not. I'm on it. Oh, Jesus Christ. I can't listen to podcasts I'm on. That's just weird.
    141:30
    It is weird. But I have a distinction now of being back-to-back. Only he has done that, so now I am number two for back-to-back on his show. Pretty cool.
    141:43
    Only Jeff has been back-to-back on his own show other than yours. Yes. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
    141:50
    It's the truth, right? I don't know. has he not had too bad about Josh Sharp episodes? Has he? Maybe. Josh is on like 50% of the time.
    142:02
    I think they have a man crush. Yeah. I think he even had t-shirts made. Come on. He did. I'm wearing one right now. I know. I can feel it. Well, remember, Bruce, I've been on 118 shows now. You've been on 117.
    142:18
    No. Yes. You missed one. When did I miss one? You missed one when you didn't record yourself, and it was me. Oh, that doesn't... That was on the episode.
    142:31
    Were you on it? Actually, I was on it, because I did the intro at the beginning explaining how we had technical difficulties. Yeah, but you weren't on the show. I was on the show. You were talking to me and making fun of me the whole time, and you couldn't hear all my awesome comebacks. Which then weren't too awesome. Well, no one will ever know, will they? that was your A material that was your best comeback ever it did not work it was perfect that's so lame Bruce basically because you didn't record me I wasn't on it was so bad well before we leave there's one thing you should mention Bruce what's coming up this weekend the one year anniversary of the Silver Ball Saloon in East Rochester in New York, December 1st. We're starting a party at 8 p.m. Come on out. We're going to have some pinball for free play. We're going to have some bowling for free. We're going to have some cake, some good drink specials, and just being thankful for having one year at the bar. Thank you for all you guys helping out and encouraging me and keeping me going. And thankful for my wife for doing the Lucy Ricardo thing and getting me into these wacky things. Lucy Ricardo is that like some old show or something Bruce that's from like the 40's right no that's more your era right I'm not familiar with this show I thought you were very familiar with it because you almost had the date down so you must know it better than I do yeah actually that would be early 50's I believe yes it was 52 Yeah, again, your era. So you were watching them as a little kid. Yes, I was. You had your Howdy Doody lunchbox there. You were watching. It's Howdy Doody time.
    144:23
    So, yes, that's the Silver Ball Saloon located at, one more time. 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Come one, come all. I mean, I might even be there. There is a high probability that, well, if it doesn't snow, that I will be there. And there's no snow in the forecast. Yeah, but it's only Monday we're recording this crew, so that means absolutely nothing. It was supposed to be nicer Saturday or Sunday. I was going to get the, oh, yeah, that's my only story here is I was going to get the Metallica to my dad's house because the Sea Witch died. What happened to the Sea Witch?
    145:02
    Two flashes. That's it. Ooh, so bad ram. No third flash, so bad ram. And if you screw around with the chip a little bit, just push on the socket, it might boot. So obviously we've got issues there. So it's like, okay, we can finally make the swap. So I have the Metallica sitting upstairs in my living room and was going to bring it over. I actually have the back box for Sea Witch here. I was going to bring that over and grab the body. But it rained all day Saturday night, and it was all wet and slippery, and I was not going to attempt to bring it over there on Sunday. And then, of course, this upcoming weekend I will probably be in Rochester, so it's not going to happen then either. So we have delays, delays.
    145:48
    Oh, well. But I will be working on hopefully tomorrow maybe getting Dragon Fist over to the bar too. So we might have multiple trains. Dragon Fist and Gammatron. Where else are you going to see that? The Silver Ball Saloon, ladies and gentlemen. Very cool Do you guys like to add anything?
    146:08
    Want to plug anything? I do not have Gamatron or Dragonfist So if you want to play those You need to go to 135 whatever I'm sorry, I can't memorize it East Rochester, New York Not to my house, which is nowhere near Rochester, New York However, as a reminder for people Who do like competitive pinball I know no one does But this December 1st, before going to the Silver Ball Saloon for the one-year anniversary, there will be a pinball tournament held in Kansas City. It will be the KC Game Con Pinball Championship. It is an e-sports tournament, but pinball was invited to participate this year. So Tony and I, unfortunately, they didn't know anyone better, so we are going to be the commentary team for that tournament. It will be livestreamed at twitch.tv slash eclectic underscore gamers. and that should wrap up about we're guessing around 7.30 central time. People will be able to watch most of it before they go and scoop up all of Bruce's cake. Should they so choose. Unless you didn't say the cake was free. They can still scoop it up if they pay in the green. Yeah.
    147:15
    I mean, I'm assuming. His cake can be bought. Free cake. Cake or death. Money. Okay. So we'll be doing that. And I just wanted to say that I have, I think I started, you know, as everyone's reminiscing and basically reading you eulogies, even though you're just going to reduce schedule, I think I started listening to you guys around episode three or so, was when I learned about you. And I don't ever go back and listen to earlier, so I'm just too lazy. So it's always been interesting. You don't want to. My philosophy is always that. Just live in the here and now and move forward. I only ever go back if I want to find particular interviews or something. But I liked a lot of what you guys did with your show. I think you found a lot of success with it. You were very experimental with trying a lot of different segments and really pivoting to trying different things far more than a lot of the other podcasts, including Tony and Mines, ever have attempted. So my hat's off to you, except I don't wear a hat, except when I have to.
    148:20
    But regardless, very good job. You've been very entertaining, and I really do appreciate you having us on. Thank you. I appreciate it as well. And I want to also note that when Bruce, he was kind enough to guest host on our show months ago, and Bruce, I swear I gave you a handwritten note when I mailed you afterwards. I swear it. Where's the kudos for my handwritten note? Could you not read it? I did get your handwritten note. It was pretty illegible. or ineligible, depending on how you want to play. But because I just saw today, I have my toolbox I have for all my pinball repairs in my garage, and on the side of it is an Eclectic Gamers podcast sticker on the side of my toolbox. Oh, we have the stickers. Yeah, that's right. See? So you are immortalized. That's right, until you go and get a new craftsman. Which will be never. Oh, okay. Well, that depends. If it's already a new craftsman, it could be next week. They're not a new thing. No, it's old. It's really old, so it'll last forever. That's pretty much it. If people want to listen to the Eclectic Gamers podcast, I'm not inclined to pimp it, but the website's eclecticgamers.com, so you can always go there and find whatever you want. And they have a Discord. We don't have that, so they're a step ahead of us. Yeah, we actually have a lot of people in the Discord. I'm really surprised. Tony created that. Yeah, it's where people go.
    149:47
    It's like a bulletin board thing. Well, you're a tech guy, so you know what it is. Yeah, Discord is what younger people use, Bruce. Like, we use Skype because it comes with Windows, and most people have it, but most younger people, they use Discord. Like, all the gamers use it and stuff, you know. We tried to record the podcast through Discord, but we couldn't get everyone working right. Exactly. That's the thing that, yeah, I was looking into that. There's ways to do it, but I won't bore people with tech stuff here, but there was different ways, but they involved, like, it going to another server and you retrieving it, which I never like. I don't like not being in control. They even tried to say things like, you can see the file building on the server. Make sure, like, no, no, I need to record it locally because I don't trust any of that stuff.
    150:33
    Ron, you like control. This is so surprising. Yes, I like control. That's why it's so crazy to do a podcast with Bruce because he's so out of control. But that's what makes it work. don't you get bigger cups of the check the straight man always made more money yep I told him that yep it's like 60-40 oh it's true 60-40 it's the harder job 60-40 I would have never I guess so thanks to Dennis and Tony from the Eclectic Gamers Podcast thank you guys for joining us today this has been episode 118 the second flash we are the Slamto Podcast we can be found at slamtillpodcast.com, and really it's just like a link site. Just go there and upper right, links to everything. Our RSS feed even is there if you want to plug that in your podcatcher. Our Twitch feed, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram. I've been posting more stuff on Instagram, which keeps getting follows, which is crazy. That's been a lot more popular than I thought it would be, so I will continue to be posting even after the end of this year. The Instagram account will still be very active. I recorded some tutorials and some different streams over the weekend hopefully more will be coming to our YouTube channel hopefully this upcoming weekend or maybe even Friday we'll be doing some actual live Twitch streaming just stay tuned to our Twitter and our Facebook it'll be announced there we have our friends of the show we have Steve Bowden hi Steve, promo bonus hi Zach Hi, Zach. The Riptide Pinball Podcast. Hello, Steph and Crystal. We have the Jeff Teels Pinball Profile. We have the Pinball Players Podcast with Jeff. And we have this week's Ecclectic Gamers. And who are we missing? We're probably missing people. Mrs. Penn. Oh, we have Mrs. Penn. We won't get cookies if we don't miss Mrs. Penn. Thank you, Mrs. Penn.
    152:34
    And we have our non-sponsor sponsors. We have Joe Newhart of Pinball Star Amusements. Go to him for all your non-stern pinball needs. We have Mike Pupo, Flipper Fidelity. Go to him to improve the sound systems of your pinball machines. He is also a stern distributor. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Dennis and Tony. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye. Don't forget, wait, first, vote for us for the Twippies. No, don't vote for us for the Twippies. Vote for head-to-head. Vote for us. Okay, do whatever Bruce says. Goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Albert Algar.
    153:11
    Hold my mind, hold my mind, can you fool me, can you try? Hold my mind, hold my mind, there is reason to keep you alive.
    153:41
    Oh my.