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#120.1 Dolly Parton - The Classic Pinball Podcast

The Classic Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 32m·analyzed·Oct 30, 2024
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TL;DR

Deep restoration dive on 1979 Dolly Parton pinball with gameplay critique and show anecdotes.

Summary

George and Dave discuss a restored Dolly Parton pinball machine (Bally, 1979, 7,350 units) on The Classic Pinball Podcast Podcast. Dave details 50+ hours of restoration work including new playfield, back glass, electronics, and LED hybrid effects. The hosts analyze gameplay, criticizing its simplicity, limited rule depth, and design choices like stationary targets instead of drop targets, while praising the machine's playability and Dave's restoration quality. George recounts his experience playing Avatar at White Rose Game Room show, scoring 130 million on his first attempt with no knowledge of the ruleset.

Key Claims

  • Dolly Parton was made in November 1979 with 7,350 units produced

    high confidence · Dave states this in opening specs section

  • Dolly Parton artwork was redesigned mid-development because her publicist rejected the country girl image, requesting a Las Vegas style instead

    high confidence · Dave recounts the compromise between Bally and Dolly's team regarding back glass redesign while keeping playfield the same

  • Dave invested over 50 hours in restoring this particular Dolly Parton machine

    high confidence · Dave explicitly states '50 hours worth of work went into this very tired Dolly Parton game'

  • The inline drop targets on Dolly Parton tend to 'brick' (fail to drop) and require careful spring tension balancing between playfield response and reset coil strength

    high confidence · Dave describes extensive troubleshooting of drop target mechanics during restoration

  • Dolly Parton has minimal rule customization options and is essentially preset with no adjustable difficulty settings

    high confidence · George and Dave both confirm the game lacks settings depth; George checked the manual online confirming this

  • The saucer that spells 'Parton' cannot be controlled like in Paragon, making it a luck-based shot

    high confidence · George questions this design; Dave confirms it cannot be controlled

  • George scored 229,000 points on one ball during the episode's gameplay segment

    high confidence · Hosts reference score visible on back glass during play

  • Dave has played this restored Dolly Parton machine 590+ times during testing

    high confidence · Dave checks live software counter during episode, revealing 590 games played

  • George scored approximately 130 million points on Avatar (JJP) on his first ever play with zero knowledge of the ruleset

Notable Quotes

  • “Over 50 hours worth of work went into this very tired Dolly Parton game.”

    Dave @ ~2:30 — Establishes the extensive restoration effort and sets expectations for quality

  • “She was trying to shed her country girl image, and she's going more into a Las Vegas-style kind of image... they told Bally, that's not who Dolly is.”

    Dave @ ~1:45 — Reveals behind-the-scenes licensing negotiation story about artwork redesign

  • “You've got to understand, especially the games back in this time frame they were built for 14 year old boys.”

    Dave @ ~5:15 — Contextualizes design philosophy of early Bally games and their intended audience

  • “This game was actually conceived in 78. No, and again, we're so far in the future... there could be a couple of items changed that would make it a better game.”

    George @ ~9:30 — Expresses the challenge of critiquing 1970s design from modern perspective

  • “I think they had the license. They knew they could sell a lot of them. They put as little as they could into it to maximize profits.”

    George @ ~11:45 — Commentary on Bally's manufacturing philosophy with licensed properties

  • “It's a lot like Harlem Globetrotters... Harlem Globetrotters' redheaded stepchild.”

    Dave @ ~13:20 — Comparison of Dolly Parton's market/collector position to another Bally title

  • “I play tested the crap out of this game. 590 times.”

    Dave @ ~17:15 — Demonstrates thorough QA testing before delivery to customer

  • “Released the hounds. There must have been 19 balls on the playing field... the score miraculously goes from a couple million to like 40-something million.”

    George @ ~22:30 — Describes chaotic Avatar gameplay mechanic and scoring cascade

Entities

GeorgepersonDavepersonDolly PartongameGeorge ChristianpersonDave ChristensenpersonBallycompanyWhite Rose Game Room Showevent

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Dolly Parton restoration included CPR playfield/backglass swap, new electronics (MPU, soundboard, power supply), rewired connector boards, lamp driver board, new flipper assemblies, pop-up rips, custom LED hybrid backlighting, and extensive mechanical adjustment (drop target tuning, spring tension optimization for inline targets).

    high · Dave's detailed technical breakdown of 50+ hours of work; specific component list provided

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Dolly Parton criticized for shallow ruleset with minimal player agency: no saucer control (luck-based), stationary targets instead of drop targets, questionable shot design (500-point target serves no purpose, gap shot meaningless), no difficulty customization, no hurry-up mechanics.

    high · George's detailed gameplay critique and observation that settings are 'pretty sparse' with no options to adjust; Dave confirms preset-only configuration

  • ?

    product_concern: Inline drop targets on Dolly Parton chronically 'brick' (fail to drop), requiring extensive troubleshooting during restoration. Issue stems from spring tension balance between playfield response and reset coil capability.

    high · Dave describes extensive adjustment work: 'they tend to brick on this game... had to do a lot of monkey around with that, adjusting where the position of those drop targets'; discusses spring tension vs. reset coil tradeoff

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Dolly Parton's management team negotiated mid-development artwork changes, rejecting Bally's country-style design and demanding Las Vegas aesthetic to match Dolly's contemporary image transformation (late 1970s). Compromise: playfield unchanged, backglass redesigned.

    high · Dave recounts: 'Parton's publicist rejected it... they told Bally, that's not who Dolly is... They argued it would show both sides of Parton. Parton's people actually reluctantly agreed.'

Transcript

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0:00
Hello, Dolly. Well, hello, Dolly. It's so nice to have you back where you belong. You're looking swell, Dolly. We can tell, Dolly. You're still growing, you're still growing, you're still growing strong. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. His name is Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, George.
0:39
Well, folks, it falls upon us, and we not only have a buffet, we have a cornucopia of items to discuss today. But we're not going to tease and make you hang on to listen to Dolly or Fast Forward. We're going to get right into it. So, Dave, start us off with some of the specs of the game, and we'll get into the artwork, things you did to the game, gameplay, and maybe some things that should be changed on the game.
1:09
All right. Well, let's see. Dolly, November of 1979, 7,350 units made. designed by George Christian, who was responsible for making the trilogy of 8-Ball machines from Bally, 8-Ball, 8-Ball Deluxe, 8-Ball Champ, as well as the trilogy of 8-Ball Deluxe machines, 8-Ball Deluxe 81, 84, 8-Ball Deluxe Limited Edition, and the Rapid Fire Small Head Cabinet. Outwork by Dave Christensen.
1:38
And there's some interesting stuff on here about this game and the artwork. there was some controversy because when this was made, Dolly was trying to shed her country girl image, and she's going more into a Las Vegas-style kind of image. So in late 78, when the game was being developed, Bally asked for approval of the pinball machine artwork.
2:00

high confidence · George recounts White Rose show experience and compares score to designer Mark Seiden statement that he's never scored a billion

  • Years ago (10-20 years prior), Dolly Parton machines were essentially worthless in the secondary market ('couldn't give these games away')

    medium confidence · George reflects on historical market value; suggests recent collecting trend shift toward early 1980s games

    • “I'm listening to a podcast, and Mark Seiden, who designed Avatar, has never scored a billion.”

    George @ ~24:00 — Validates George's 130M Avatar score as legitimately impressive achievement

  • “My whole purpose is to keep the ball in play. When I saw something do something, I said, let's try that again... Beyond that, clueless.”

    George @ ~25:30 — Reflects on learning-by-doing gameplay philosophy without ruleset knowledge

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    market_signal: Dolly Parton machines were essentially worthless 10-20 years ago ('couldn't give these games away'). George reflects on recent shift in demand, suggesting improved market position.

    medium · George states: 'Years ago, 10, 15, 20 years ago, you couldn't give these games away. Nobody won Dolly Parton.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: George theorizes Bally minimized design investment in Dolly Parton despite holding the license and confidence in sales potential, to maximize profits. Evidence: sparse ruleset, simple mechanics, no difficulty options.

    medium · George: 'I think they had the license. They knew they could sell a lot of them. They put as little as they could into it to maximize profits.'

  • ?

    content_signal: The Classic Pinball Podcast episode demonstrates in-depth technical restoration coverage, gameplay demonstration (video embedded), and contemporary show anecdotes. High production value with extended gameplay footage and detailed rule explanation.

    high · Episode structure: specs → artwork history → restoration details → gameplay demo → personal show anecdotes; hosts maintain engaging narrative throughout

  • ?

    operational_signal: Dave's restoration process includes extensive play-testing: 590+ games played on the restored Dolly Parton before delivery to customer to validate functionality and gameplay feel.

    high · Dave reveals: 'I'll give it a fresh clean when I'm done but... it's still clean still nice'; software counter shows 590 games played during testing

  • ?

    venue_signal: White Rose Game Room Show is active, well-attended venue bringing new games (Cointaker supplied most new titles). George attended recently and played multiple machines including Avatar (JJP).

    high · George recounts standing in line at show, waiting to play Avatar, interacting with other players and vendors

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: George scored 130 million points on Avatar (JJP) on his first-ever play with zero ruleset knowledge. This compares favorably to designer Mark Seidman's statement that he has never scored a billion. Demonstrates Avatar's high-scoring potential and mechanic accessibility.

    high · George: 'I scored like 50-something million... he got it up to like 150 million... I got close. I got like 130 million'; references Mark Seidman podcast statement about never scoring a billion

  • ?

    design_innovation: Dave contrasts two software modification philosophies for classic games: Dick Hurts' approach (complete game rewrites) vs. Scott's approach (subtle targeted tweaks). Dave prefers Scott's conservative tweaks, suggesting better preservation of original design intent.

    medium · Dave: 'a lot of people like that stuff. I'm more of a, I like how Scott does some tweaks on software and just a small tweaks. I like the small tweaks better... I'm not a big fan of the entire rewrite.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Dolly Parton machines are uncommon in active circulation; usually found in private collections. This rarity contributes to George's limited play experience and commentary about the game being rarely encountered.

    medium · George: 'you don't see them that often, they're usually in private collections'; found one at White Rose show which was notable enough to play multiple games

    • Parton's publicist rejected it. Unhappy with the country girl image, they told Bally, that's not who Dolly is, and they asked for a redesign with a Las Vegas style. Having all invested a lot in the design already, Dolly proposed a compromise, keeping the play field the same, but redesigned the back glass. They argued it would show both sides of Parton. Parton's people actually reluctantly agreed.
    2:21
    And one of the people in the know back in the day said, we did the whole game country western. I showed them the artwork and the back glass, and they said, oh, no, Dolly is Vegas. I said, really? They said, yeah. She's gowns and lights now. She's everything in Vegas. She was going through the transformation back then. I happened to do a little research. I know you're all surprised. I had forgotten how much she was more country and it's probably not a polite thing to say, but more country bumpkin-ish looking. Yeah, she was almost like from Hee Haw. Wasn't she on Hee Haw? uh she had that look but uh who's the one that i'm thinking of uh little abner whoever the female was in that comic same type thing you know with the cut off jeans yeah cut up a little straw in the mouth kind of thing yeah but uh she was at the time and i had forgotten because if you go back and look there are pictures from the late 70s early 80s where she started you know the transformation, as they say.
    3:32
    Well, this particular Dolly Parton, I have her attributes are blinky and color-changing. Yes, they're quite... They are accentuated, let's say. Yeah.
    3:47
    Go with what you got. You're known for that, and you know I like that. I think those mods you did were quite good thank you thank you the well you gotta you gotta understand especially the games back in this time frame they were built for 14 year old boys and what are 14 year old boys like well we're we're gonna get into 14 year old boys with another game later on but uh let's uh let's concentrate on this particular uh pinball um why don't you tell us a little bit about what you did to the game that you have. It's beautiful looking, actually. Okay, sure. So over 50 hours worth of work went into this very tired Dolly Parton game. Playfield was worn out and so we grabbed a CPR playfield for it, swapped that in, new CPR back glass, new legs and hardware, new Weebly MPU, new Weebly soundboard, and new power supply. We built a on a driver board as well as a lamp driver board rebuilt all the one on internet board connectors as usual pinball life perfect play silicone rubber around a new Titan high high gloss pinball also anti-reflective playfield glass what else we do we read we took off the playfield rails those magenta playfield rails and strip those down and put new paint on those and clear coat them new flipper buttons new flipper assemblies pop-up rips emily's kicker assemblies, cleaned all switches, regapped. Is there anything you didn't do? I mean, plastics as well, I'm guessing. What's that? Plastics as well. Oh yeah, new plastics too.
    5:29
    Custom back box lighting, as you know, about Dolly, we made things flash. Let's see, I'll put in we put in a, we did a hybrid effect of LEDs. So we did, the back glass has two SMD warm LED, and there's a couple LEDs as we did in the play field itself under some inserts that needed it, but very sparingly.
    5:53
    So, yeah, that's pretty much what we did. Another thing in this game is the in-line drop targets, a really cool feature that Bally did back in the day in this time frame. They're the only ones doing it. And there's four of them in this game, kind of like Paragon and so forth, and Future Spa. So what happens in this game a lot is they'll brick. You throw a ball up there, and they tend to brick on this game for whatever reason. So I had to do a lot of monkey around with that, adjusting where the position of those drop targets, bring them forward a little bit, remount them. And ultimately, between doing that and putting a stiffer spring to pull the target down on each one of them to get them to drop correctly without, you know, bricking and throwing the ball back at you without dropping the drop target. The problem with that is if you go too strong on all those four springs, now the reset coil has problems trying to go and try to lift those drop targets. Right, trying to put them back up and latch them on. Yeah, it's really trying to lift up a 500-pound weight.
    6:57
    So you've got to experiment a little bit with how strong you can go to get it just right for a balance there.
    7:04
    So I've also put a new spinner sticker on for the Dolly Parton spinner as well. Let's pitch your website where people can go out and see the game. I'm guessing you also have it out on YouTube. That's where I watched it. Yeah. So people can get a good gander at this. It is a beautiful game. You won't see a lot like this.
    7:28
    I've got a story when you're finished, and we'll kind of move into gameplay on this particular pinball. sure it's pinballdoctor.com all spelled out and also it's Dr. Dave's Pinball Restorations on YouTube so if you go there you'll find it as well but it's also on my website you'll find it there but you'll also find it on YouTube as well plus you'll see we just added a whole new games for sale section on the website there's a link for that too on the website you can see what we have currently in the restoration queue and what we currently have available for the Christmas season. We actually do have a Stern Spider-Man. You're pitching that again. Come on, somebody, buy it. Somebody buy it. It's ready to go. Come on. It's good.
    8:18
    So, yeah, so that's, we've been doing a ton of work with stuff. We can talk about a lot of stuff later, but doing a lot of pinball work. It's been crazy busy, which is good, you know. Well, let me tell you where I was and where I had the opportunity to play this. I believe in the last episode, I was contemplating whether I was going to go to the White Rose Game Room show, and I actually went. And lo and behold, guess what was there? A Dolly Parton. Wow. So couldn't resist. Had to wait. And while I was waiting, there were an older gentleman.
    8:55
    Now, I'm old, but he was older. and he watched me play the game and I did pretty well for the first time I think I got 6 or 7 thousand points on it and he stops at the end and goes do you know how to repair these things and I go yeah why he's like oh I'm looking for somebody in Baltimore and lo and behold what do you have you talked about it earlier in this episode an 8 ball deluxe and I'm like where are you Baltimore no not me wrong side of the tracks, but I do know somebody and hooked him up with somebody. He found somebody else, but I just found it funny that I'm playing and I did pretty well on the game. Just out of the blue, do you repair these things? So I tried to get you some more work, Dave, but a little far from home.
    9:45
    Cool. Cool. So do you want to hear about the gameplay? Do you want to talk about the gameplay on this?
    9:57
    Yeah, sure. Want me to play the game or just talk about how you're supposed to play it? Let's talk about it first, and then we can go into it.
    10:09
    The settings on this game are pretty sparse from what I can see, and I want you to correct me if I'm saying something that's not true. You can fact check me. Okay. The first thing is, at the top of the game, where you spell Parton, correct, with the saucer? Yes. You cannot control that like in Paragon, can you?
    10:35
    You cannot, no. Okay, so bad right away. Didn't like that. The second piece, and I don't understand why they did this, is with the inline drop targets, why they attached putting down a couple of those letters while you're hitting those targets. That didn't make any sense to me.
    11:01
    Well, because it's hard to get an exhaust at the top anyway. I disagree. The shot for me, and it made it, I don't know, maybe it was the game, But if you shoot just above Dolly's head on the left-hand side, you can hit that rubber and put it right up into the saucer area. And I just kept doing that. And you'd be like, well, why didn't you go from the other side and shoot it up through the spinner, which is on the right?
    11:32
    Because it kept landing over on the right-hand side, and I'm not that kind of player. I just play what I got. And, you know, I got it up there very easily and could spell it. So I was like, yeah, it'd be better if it was like Paragon. That was the first thing. And then it was all coming back to me. Now I remember why I never bought this game, because of the simplicity.
    11:52
    There isn't a lot of change to this game. You know what the thing is, though? It's kind of like preset for you. It's like, hey, this is the way you set it up, and this is the way you play it. There are no options, so to speak. It's all in the setup, George, though. Like, I had this game set up pretty darn steep. Right, but again, it's you, Dave. I mean, I'm starting to hear this more and more through the community. I mean, I don't want to – they were talking about – what game were they talking about yesterday on the podcast I listened to? One of the games that has to be set up oh so precise. If it's not you or somebody who's heavy into the hobby, what do home people do other than call you and say, hey, come set up my game the proper way?
    12:36
    Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm known for. I'm known for optimizing. No, I know you are. Right. Again, you're my friend for a long time. I know that our audience knows that. Right. So so that was the first thing that kind of bugged me that this made it too easy. And the other thing is Valley cheaped out those stationary targets that spell Dolly. Those should really be drop targets. I guess so. I would say that the Y in Dolly is really tough to get. Especially when you have the game set up steep like I do, like six and a half degree pitch is pretty tough. Six to six and a half degree pitch. So it's tough to get up there. I will say they did mess up with a stupid 500-point target stand-up over on the left side. I don't know why that thing's there. That is useless. Okay, I'm looking at the game. Where am I looking?
    13:29
    Oh, that one right there? Yep. And you're saying what? You don't like that there? You get 500 points for hitting that, but why is it even there for? What's the point of that? Okay, here's 500 points. They had space, and they put it in there, and they spent the $1.99 to put the target in. But it means nothing. It's like, I guess it just means okay. Right, right, right. I get it.
    13:55
    Am I correct in assuming that to get the 1,000-point spinner, you need to hit one of those inline targets? I don't know which one, but one of them. The first in-line target lights that up.
    14:08
    So that makes that kind of easy, too. That, to me, should be farther, you know, number three or number four in the stack.
    14:18
    I guess so. I'm just saying it would be nice if you had the changes. I guess that's what I'm saying. Right. I mean, with the stationary targets, I mean, that would be nice if that was random, too. So you could set it up that way if you wanted to make it harder. I just found the first time playing them, like, wow, this game's pretty easy. And again, I didn't check how high, if it was set up properly. It just played nice. I enjoyed the game. The one thing I didn't get out of the couple games I played is there's not even a gate. At the end of the tone arm, you can get back into the shooter lane. Yes. It doesn't seem like that's a very easy shot, is it? It's not a very easy shot, and I don't really see why would I even shoot that shot. It's a stupid shot. It doesn't really mean anything. Right. So you've identified on both sides pretty much in the same area of the play field the $500 point shot on the left side and then just an open gap on the other. I don't know. The game could be a little bit better than it is. It doesn't mean I don't like it. It's just I'd like to see it play a little bit harder so you can make difficulty level.
    15:37
    What would have been nice here is just like in Space Invaders, a hurry-up shot, a drop target here, hit the drop target, or have a hurry-up and then hit the drop target in time to get a certain amount of points and go in there and it kind of will score your bonus or something. Something like that would have been good. But you've got to understand, this game was actually conceived in 78. No, and again, we're so far in the future. Again, I'm not saying I don't like the game. I do like the game. I'm just saying there could be a couple of items changed that would make it a better game. And I'm surprised. I think it's because they didn't make a lot. Well, they did make quite a few of them, right? 6,000 games? 7,000 games? 7,300. So I'm guessing there's no Arduino software to change this game. that guy from Maine, what's his name, Dick something or other?
    16:29
    You know how he's done all the conversion kits for Bally that upgrade the software? Dick Hurts? The same guy who did S.T.A.R.S., right? As a joke there, son. I don't know his name.
    16:43
    What do you want to know, Dick? Dick, what do you want to know? No, I heard about him. I heard about his software and so forth. I know he's doing it to a bunch of games.
    16:54
    you know, and a lot, some people like that. I'm, I'm not a, not my kind of thing, but, but a lot of people like that stuff. For me, I'm more of a, I like how Scott does some tweaks on software and just a small tweaks. I like the small tweaks better. A little thing here, a little thing there than an entire rewrite. I'm not, I'm not a big fan of the entire rewrite of the game. No, I'm not either. I mean, if there's one thing I would change, it would be the randomness for a part. And at the top of the, at the top of the play field with the, saucer. That would be the only thing I would change. Yeah, it goes, you know, P, then A, then R, then T. I just like the randomness. It makes it a little bit more difficult. That's all. It is pretty tough to get the hold. So the name of the game here is to get the hold over to 2200. So spell Dolly Parton, get to 2200 to hold over as soon as you can. And that stays. Explain that. So there's 11 letters and Dolly and Parton, each one of those letters is worth 2,000 points. So if you spell Dolly Parton, you hold 22,000 points, correct? Yes. And if you do it a second time, it holds 44,000 points? That's right. And then if you do it a third time, then you're out of luck for bonus because you're back to 44. So the key is if you get 44, spell everything but one letter and don't hit the last letter and then lose your ball then because then you'll just start all over again. You know what I mean? Oh, it doesn't go to special?
    18:29
    I think. No, it does go to special, but you don't get your bonus out of it. You don't get your – so you get a free game, sure. Oh, you get the special instead of the bonus. And the special is usually what, 50,000 points?
    18:42
    In these games, I believe so. Or 25. I think it's 25. It's 25 in the value world. Right, so you're losing points by doing that. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly if it's 25 or 50. I know in some games, like in Mata Hari, it's 50. Right. Well, that's what I'm going off of some of the games that I have. But regardless, I get what you're saying. It should be in addition to. You should be able to collect the bonus, so it's five times 44,000, and you should be able to collect the 50,000. And here's the problem with value games in this time frame. Scott does a great rewrite for this too he'll separate the extra ball and the special from each other so in battling world from this time frame if you put on novelty mode your extra ball and the specials are both worth points or they're both worth extra ball and special or your specials are worth extra ball and your extra ball is worth extra ball but you can have the extra ball worth an extra ball and your special worth points so it's great Other games, like Stern games, they separated them. So extra ball is what it's supposed to be, and your specials worth points. But in these ballet games, they did not see fit to do that, especially early on when they started doing it, I think all of them, but I know definitely the 70s games. So when I had a rewrite done from Anahara, I had them separate them. It's a way better game because you get the first-time drop targets down 50,000 points. Second-time drop target down, you get 50,000 points plus 50,000 for the special, so it's 100,000 points on that game. So it'd be great in this game, especially if that special was worth 50,000. You spell Dolly for the third time, you get 50 grand for that instead of like 22 grand. So that would be way better. Same thing with the special up here, getting the drop targets all the way down and making that worth 50,000 points would be great too.
    20:35
    I think they had the license. They knew they could sell a lot of them. they put as little as they could into it to maximize profits. That's the way I see it. If you were looking to make it better, you would have put in a five bank up in the upper left, in my opinion. I will say years ago, 10, 15, 20 years ago, you couldn't give these games away. Nobody won Dolly Parton. No, I passed, and I told you why. I started up with it. I shouldn't have probably been as negative as I was. I do like the game, but as I was playing it, because I hadn't played it in a long time, because you don't see them that often, they're usually in private collections,
    21:17
    it just, I don't know, it was kind of underwhelming. The other piece, and it just made me laugh, was the music. Here You Come Again. It's just as sad as the Rolling Stones game. I don't know. And I guess I'm saying to myself, you know, again, I know this is a game from 1978, but if there was at least some music in this game, it would make it better. Which leads me to, I'm wondering why they've never done a remake of this game, one of the major manufacturers. Because I would think that it would sell. I don't know, maybe I could be wrong, but she seems to have a pretty big following. I don't think so unless it was sponsored by Pfizer then it might work but otherwise I'm sure George she's a big Pfizer fan George that's all I'll say hold on okay there we go what else do you have to add or do you want to put a play on this and show people how to play it let's show how to play it, shall we? Let's do a little of that.
    22:32
    And here's that song you just mentioned. Can you hear that? Barely. It went a little too fast. How's that?
    22:45
    There we go. Ball one. There you go. Okay, so David gets it in the software. So we got one letter. We got three letters.
    22:56
    Okay, sure. I got Dolly. I got Dolly, yes. So he trying to get some targets up in the Dolly area the upper left side And it bouncing around in the center And Dave saves it Nice save And he got that spinner really juiced That looks great Those drop targets are tough to hit. There we go. There's one. There you go. There's one drop target. So that lit the spinner. So now he's got 1,000 points.
    23:28
    1,000 points lit. Backhanded. And he's got four letters. I just backhanded the drop targets twice. I saw that. That's a tough one.
    23:39
    I was able to do that in the game I played, so I like that. So now Parton is all lit, so now I have to get Dolly. Okay, so here's that pesky Y in Dolly that you didn't get.
    23:55
    So Dave needs one letter. Yes. Oh, no, now I need one letter. Oh, you have to do that? Okay, didn't see that. the way that you have the camera positioned, they can't see the light.
    24:12
    That's the shot I was talking about, Dave. Right, right up the side there. Yeah, up the side. It is, you know, if you find the sweet spot there, it gets it right up into the saucer area. Okay, so you've got all the targets down in the end, right?
    24:27
    I got them. Let me go. Okay, so that's... I'm going to get an extra ball if I can. Okay, so Dave's got five... No, three times. Three times. This ain't no Paragon.
    24:38
    There we go. Five times. Now an extra ball. Okay, so five times. So now what do you shoot for with the in-lines? I backhand the extra ball in the in-lane. That is a good spot. Okay, so he's got an extra ball already.
    24:51
    This game plays real nicely. Thanks. This is why it's a fun game. Oh, there you go. Free game. Okay, so when you're at the end of this ball, let's pause for a second. I want to see where you are. Okay. So how many points have you accrued? I can't see the back glass.
    25:07
    229. That's on one ball. Yeah. Yes. Right. So you're already a quarter of the way, you know, on a six-digit game. You're already on one ball. Let's see where you go. Yeah, but, you know, this game is like it's hard to flip over. In fact, I have a list here. Let's see.
    25:32
    All right. Jeff got 1.384. Oh, you know what? I did flip it over. 1.463. Well, go back. So you had some people over this past weekend, Jeff being one of them, your friend. No, no, no. Not Jeff. Not that Jeff, a different Jeff? No. No, Jeff is in a pond, swimming in a pond back in Maine somewhere. He's not in part of any kind of pinball thing anymore. He's back in the woods. He's not around. Okay. No more Jeff Blair. Okay. He went back in hiding in the Witness Protecting Program. Oh, he's hiding. Okay. Or it could be the Witness Protecting Program, depending on what you're looking at. The Witness? Witness, yes. Yeah.
    26:15
    Oh, geez. Wow, the bloom is off the rose. Wow. It's different up in Maine sometimes. What did you say behind the closed doors about me? Well, you don't want to know, George. Yeah, I was probably dumb. Oh, yes, you do. So, no, these are all from back in May and June of this past year. You got Ben over here. Ben has the high. He got 1.6.
    26:38
    I got a 900. Jeff got a 1 million. Jeff got a couple millions. I got a million. But these are all many, many games had to be played to get to a million. I only got to play it a couple of times. But, like I said, the first time I played it, I did pretty well on it. So, I was on fire. I have a couple other stories. I've been playing again, and, man, I was on fire up at White Rose. So we'll get to that in a little bit. Oh, I can't wait to hear about White Rose. I can't wait because I want to go to that show sometimes. It's so far away from me. Now you're close to it.
    27:14
    We'll talk about it. You want ball two here? Go ahead. So let's finish on this. I got a good game. I got extra ball here, ball two. So this is ball two. Oh, it's ball two, yeah. Actually, you know what? That was ball. This is ball two with an extra ball. So extra ball, ball two right here. That wasn't ball one. Okay. Well, whatever. Ball two.
    27:36
    Ball two continues. So I need that one. So you will have four balls when you're done. Yes. Unless you get another one. Right. It is possible. So right now we have, we've got the 22,000 holdover right now. Oh, so it holds over. Can you change that? No. You really don't want to because it's so tough to get in the first place. Yeah, I'd like to have the option. There really aren't many. There's not many option settings in this game. No, I went and, again, you know, people are shocked. I actually did go and open up the manual online to look and say, are any of these changeable? And no, it's pretty much here's the game. Here's the game as we saw it, like it or lump it. I think, again, it's early software, kind of like Valley 8-Ball, early software all those games, like Lost Cause, you know, all that stuff I definitely agree It's a fun game It's a good game to have in a collection I mean, I would love going to this game For me, it's a lot like Harlem Globetrotters It's Harlem Globetrotters Redheaded Stepsister Oh, there you go there's the first time I've seen that. Dave got it through the opening back to the shooter line.
    29:02
    See if I get up that. There we go. Another, another. Yeah. You got to hit that right on or it rattles at the bottom. You do.
    29:12
    Be in line. There's that Y again. I just need the Y. Now I, now I see what you're saying. I probably didn't notice it while I was playing, but yeah, I do see that that makes it a little bit more difficult.
    29:24
    There you go, nice shot I got the Y So if you get it up there again Will you get an extra ball? Yes, I will That's worth It is Let's see if I can get it I'll do the backhand Backhand's tough But we can try it, let's see Nope, that was a lead Oh, now she goes Oh, sorry.
    29:56
    Yeah, send him the free game. All right, look at the score go. 6-28. I'm happy with that. So, I mean, you know, cold. We didn't play the game five times before we recorded. We did real well. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fun. I've been playing the crap out of this game. So, since I've restored this game, guess how many games I've played on this. Oh.
    30:21
    300. no you're a little low let's go check it live right now let's see software go to number 6 I think 590 wow I play tested the crap out of this game yes what's your customer going to say if your customer looks for this podcast oh I don't know I'll give it a fresh clean when I'm done but you know it's still clean still nice but uh it's a beauty so anything else uh we can get to some of our other subject matter if uh you're done with uh with dollars i will say we we are at the seven seven and a half minute countdown right now in this segment so why don't we uh why don't we end it here and uh we'll continue uh after the break that sounds good do we have any sponsors today, George? Yeah. Dr. Dave's Pinball Repair. Alright, I like that sponsor. He's super cool. And his wife and him do some great work out there.
    31:29
    Now here's something we hope you'll really like. I went to the White Rose game room show last week and got there a little early standing in the line with a couple of people and this guy, Bob, and I had a long talk and I'm about 10 minutes in a guy couple in front of me leans over and goes do you have a podcast all right so then I had to explain to Bob and this other guy Jason who I was chatting with as well I didn't have the heart to tell him and if you listen please forgive me, Jason. I was being polite. He told me that he had just bought a Scooby-Doo at the last show and he also had a Texas Chainsaw Massacre and was getting ready to buy something else. I was going to say, did he say, I just bought these and now I'm selling these? No, but I just didn't have the heart to tell him, not in my wheelhouse. so there was another guy in line and when we got inside good thing I did I went right over to Avatar and somebody was already playing it I'm like okay I know it's going to get more crowded Cointaker brought most of the new games so I waited and played the game and surprisingly it was actually a lot of fun but I have to recount the game because I leaned over to the guy and I think his name was Ryan, and forgive me if you're listening.
    33:13
    I said, do you know anything about this game? He goes, no. I go, me either. So he played his ball, and he got a couple million. I played my ball, and I got a couple of million.
    33:25
    And he played his ball, and I don't know what the hell he did, but he released the hounds. There must have been 19 balls on the playing field, and he's just whacking them around. The score miraculously goes from a couple million to like 40-something million.
    33:44
    I'm like, okay, that was pretty cool. That's a flail fest. Right, but hang on. So I get up, and I'm like, okay, that was pretty cool. Maybe I can do that. And I scored like 50-something million. And he's like, okay, third ball. He blows it up. He gets it up to like 150 million. I don't know what he was doing. I'm like, I can do that. And I started playing. I got close. I got like 130 million. Yesterday, I'm listening to a podcast, and they're lamenting about Avatar.
    34:19
    And Mark Seidman, who we had on the show, is the designer. And he's never scored a billion. So I said to myself, hey, wait a second. This is the first time I ever played the game. I'm scoring 130 million that's not too bad not bad for a classic guy trying to play a ramper you know what I'm sharper because of it I'm convinced I was on fire I was playing really well at the show so what do you want to know about the show well one thing about the which ramp game were you playing again Spooky no no no Avatar is JJP. Right, you were playing Avatar. That's the one you were writing up. Right, that's the one I played. Now the thing is that you were using all your flipper skills in your toolbox, but you had no idea of the rule set and all that kind of stuff. Nothing. Zero. Absolutely nothing. Right. My whole purpose is to keep the ball in play. When I saw something do something, I said, let's try that again and see if it'll work again. Beyond that, clueless. Same with the guy I played with. Sure, sure. I said to him, I go, so do you own any games after we're all set and done? He goes, yeah, just one. Millionaire.
    35:43
    Okay, that's a Williams or a Bally game. Right, it's a Williams 89. 89 thing, yeah. It's got the, whatchamacallit, like the roulette wheel thing in the middle of the play field. They did a conversion. That thing that's on, what's the Bally game with the plastic play field. Speakeasy. You know that Mac? That kind of Mac. They did a conversion in that game. That game was called Trump a couple years ago.
    36:08
    Is that true? It's online. Seriously. It has him doing little quotes. His quotes are in the game. It's kind of funny. Okay. Do you want to hear about pricing? Do you want to hear about other new games? Do you want to hear about your friend Dave Matrando? yeah i want to hear about dave matrando and uh always busy could never get to him when i finally went back uh after a couple hours there was somebody sleeping in this booth and it wasn't him so i don't know where he went but if you go out the back door of this place it's kind of like a mini allentown people came in campers trailers and they had barbecue set up out there they were This is a different kind of show. The weather was perfect. And the fairground, if Allentown is a 1, this fairground is an 11. It was just beautiful. I mean, really well kept. Nice facility. So basically, this is like the Allentown from years ago when they had the outdoor flea market and that kind of thing. I don't know. People were swapping stuff, but no, there wasn't a flea market outside. It was just a lot of people hanging out, drinking beer, partying. It was fun. So almost like a park? Did it feel like a park kind of atmosphere, like with pinball? Oh, yeah, a lot of open green space. Oh, I like that. No, no, nice. So the good is Coin Taker brought the new games, so it gave me the opportunity. I played John Wick. Meh, didn't do anything for me. I liked Avatar probably because I did pretty well on it. Couldn't get near X-Men. The lines, after an hour, everything was deep. It wasn't worth it. So I went and played some old-time games. I saw your buddy Ivan. Oh, Ivan was here, okay. He had a booth, and he was selling games. And I played his Haymaker. Do you know what that is? No idea. The horse race game? The old, right?
    38:13
    No, Hayburners. What did I call it? Haymaker. You're thinking fighting. Haymaker. No, I'm looking outside and I'm saying, no, they're going to harvest the field again. But anyway, I broke it. Nice job. Good job. I'm sure Ivan was happy with you. I loved playing it. It was the game that, I'm recalling it, it was the game that was in Playland that I played in when I was a kid. It used to be a nickel, so your quarter went farther.
    38:42
    And I'm so old, it was nickel-dime quarter. I remember nickel games, like the baseball games, you know, pitch and bats. Then there were dime games, kind of like probably late EM, late 60s EMs. And then the newer games, which became a quarter, like eight ball.
    39:03
    So there were like three stratas, depending on how much money I had in pocket. But the good thing about eight ball back in the day, it was a quarter for one play, two quarters for three plays. Correct. A lot of times. Correct. They're trying to give you value. But before that, it was one quarter for two plays. Right. So if you had a buddy, you could each play a game and then play slippers. Right. That's what we used to do. I'm sure you did the same thing. I saw inflation even back in that time frame in the 70s. You went from a dime, then you went for a quarter for two plays. Right.
    39:38
    No, it did. And then it went to a quarter a play. But I'm saying back in the late 60s where it had a dime slot and a quarter slot. The dime was one play. The quarter must have been three plays. Okay. Then it went to a quarter for two plays. Correct. Then it went to a quarter play, two quarters, we'll get you three plays. Correct. Then it went to a quarter a play, 50 cents a play, 75 cents a play, a buck a play. Now it's like a buck 50 a play. Correct. Yeah. And the funny thing is, is that that $1.50 a play these days, if you look at what money is worth, it equals the buying power of a quarter back in the late 70s. Pretty much. Yeah. It's all relative. Do you want to hear about the games that I saw that I thought were interestingly priced?
    40:33
    Sure. So I saw Six Million Dollar Man. Remember that game? I want to take a guess on these. Before you go, I want to take a guess on the prices. So let me guess the prices. I only have a couple, so go ahead. And so let me just show some qualifications here. So all these games, they're all playable, or these are kind of junk market things? I would have entertained some of these games. This one, Six Million Dollar Man, I would have entertained if it was the right price. Okay, so it's playable. But there's more to the story. Just give me your price. I'm going to say $800.
    41:11
    Double it. Wow, really? Okay. Remember that. All right. So the next game was a game I'm interested in, Hot Hand.
    41:23
    That would be $800. $1,100. There was a nice evil Knievel. I'm not sure. I couldn't tell, which is good, I guess, whether it was a hard top or a CPR. All right, that's going to be $4,500. $3,200. Okay. Well, I'm way off on these prices, George. Right. And that's why we're going through it, because things have changed. Oh, Junkie Jeff, he was there with his son. He had an embryon.
    41:54
    Was it Junkie? Oh, my God. I really tried to give it the benefit of the doubt. And I said, is there anything on this object that is remotely usable? Was it stripped? Was it all stripped? No, there were things on it, but there were things growing on it. I don't know what it was doing. That was $250.
    42:20
    $1,300. No, it was not. It was. You're freaking kidding me. I'm not. I did this for a reason. I'm raising my embryo on prices then. I can't not forget this. So I wrote it down. Wow. Boy, oh boy. So those are the games. Now, I get home. This is Friday. I get home, and I'm looking on Saturday night, and I see this post on the White Room Game Runes thread on Pinside.
    42:51
    The guy who had $6 million man dropped the price to $1,100. bucks. The hot hand dropped from $1,100 to $600. Now this was what day? Is this day two or what was it? Saturday night. But during the day on Saturday, he was posting, because I guess he figured people were out looking at that thread. He was dropping the price during the day. You could have picked up that hot hand for $600. I would have bought it in a second. I had my hot hand. I would have strapped that thing Yeah, but why didn't you try to lowball these guys during the day?
    43:29
    Because it was Friday morning, and I wouldn't have done it either. He was desperate. I contacted him on Sunday morning, and he was like, no, I sold it. Of course he did. Right. So I was kind of bummed because I'd been looking for that game. I'm going to reach out to your buddy PJ again and say, PJ, if you want to raise some money because there's some really nice games out there, sell me your hot hand.
    43:51
    Give me the parameters of the show. How many days show? When did it go to? Two days, Friday and Saturday. So by Saturday night, you better sell your thing. By Saturday, I don't think it went. I'm guessing the show ends 6, 8 o'clock, something like that. Okay. I didn't look. I was there for four or five hours. That's it. On Friday? Yeah. Okay. If you were looking for used parts, there was a lot of stuff there. You could sift through.
    44:18
    There was a lot of stuff for sale. It was interesting. And again, we've been talking about it. Prices are coming down on stuff. Here's one that I thought was wild. Guy bought that Godzilla black and white in my backyard. I don't know why you'd buy that game. Just hang on. So that game's $9,500 list price.
    44:42
    He was trying to sell it for $8,200. Remember, he's got it at the end of July. Yeah. It had 300 and some odd, 400 and some odd plays on it. Right? Okay, yep. Couldn't sell it at $82. Wow. Dropped the price to $7,200. Wow. Boy, oh boy, he's got to take a bath.
    45:05
    I just said to myself, that's an expensive play per game. Yeah, yeah. So I'm starting to see things loosen up. So if you're looking for a game, folks, it's out there. Now you wonder, are they loosening up on the new school stuff or the old school stuff? I'm starting to see it. This show, people brought some nice games. I didn't say this one. There was a Flight 2000 that was real nice. How much? Real nice. CPR Playfield, or do you know? You can't tell. I don't remember, but let's put it this way.
    45:43
    I've got a moratorium, so I can't buy anything. that'll change. But you would if you could. I have a story around that. Oh, good. How much do you think? Because I would have bought it. Oh, you would have bought it. Okay. Well, I would think that would go for $3,200. $2,200.
    45:58
    I was going to say, you wouldn't buy it at $3,200. No, I wouldn't. It's in the twos. $2,200. Yep. Without negotiating. But he was firm. He had people. That's good. And he stuck to it. That was a good price. That's a good price for it. If it's in nice shape, that's a good price for that game. It needed a little bit of work but I looked at it and I like okay these flippers need to be rebuilt A couple things were off but nothing that struck me as oh this is a basket case The good thing about the Stern flippers and I show you once we do the nine ball show. I just did the nine ball. It's pretty much good to go. Well, tease that, because we haven't talked about it. Okay, so... Whose game? You're doing a game for somebody? Yeah, remember Scott? The guy Scott out in Rutland, who I did a firepower for. So he bought a firepower for me that I restored. Now he wants to contract me to do one of my nine. I have two nine balls so I'm doing a nine ball for him. Just about to finish it up. It's all gorgeous.
    46:57
    And this is the first time I've actually, instead of just rebuilding the Stern Flippers, which come up, all my games that, my personal games, just rebuilt Stern Flippers, but only until recently Pinball Life is offering complete old school Stern. Right, for like 60 bucks. Yeah. And so it's like, you know what, I'm going to, since this guy's giving me really good money for this game, I'm going to put brand new stuff in. It's a brand new, you know, mix. And I'll tell you, these things are, like, super strong. And the coils, you know, I actually went for the upgraded, you know, hotter coil, which is a 450. And that's too strong for the game. I put it back to stock 475 coils. And just because there's no loosey-goosey, the tolerance is nice and tight on these new assemblies, these flippers are nice and strong and powerful. In fact, it makes me want to convert all my own games and put brand new flipper assemblies in them. Because mine play great, but this nine ball plays like it just came out of the factory. It's like putting a new engine in the car. It's like, hey, you know, it's only got a little bit. It's got no miles on it. Exactly. It's going to respond real nice. That's great. So I have one last thing with White Rose. that game ringer the new the remake yeah that thing is addictive the horseshoe game oh i like that game that's fun they go thump thump thump i i was watching two guys playing the game and i played and i'm like i don't want to play by myself i go one of you guys play with me no no no play the game i'm like no come on so we started playing and this one guy just had a hot hand. And I said to myself, if I owned a bar, a pizza place, I would put that thing on a quarter a play or 50 cents a play. You would pay that game back in no time. It's addictive. I did play, so that's the new version of the game, not the old version. We didn't play it together, but we played it at Allentown. But that's the new version. That's the brand new game. It's fun. But I do... It's got that metal mech that just... You know, it's old school. It's in a good job. I still like the old school version of that game better. It's rarer and the real one. If you don't want to have issues, you know, because it's all modern electronics, it makes sense. So, like you said, buy the new one, put it in a bar like that, you'll make buck on it. You could put that a lot of places because it's, you know. Anybody can play it. Right. There's no explanation here. Watch the light go across and spin the thing. That's all you have to know. What kind of money for it? For a little over four grand for it. It's not cheap. Okay. If it was a little, again, I know. Four grand is kind of pricey. Grant, I haven't talked about you in a while, Grant. But, you know, frugal is not the word you use, but, yeah, I'm cheap. I mean, I'm going to get the bargain.
    50:07
    But I would consider that game because if you have people over, it's just an easy game everybody can play, and it's fun.
    50:16
    Speaking of easy game, like my nickel game behind me here. Same thing. Yeah. You know what, though? So I had a little tournament past weekend or so. It was fun. I had six people over and did a little thing with it, and it was when we did match play. So I had the computer pick the two players playing against each other and pick the random game. And I was going to actually include the nickel game here, you know, skill roll, and play basically for that turn you're going to play three games, add the scores up, and that's your score, who's going to win. Right. So I'm all ready to do it, and they decided to give it a trial run. For the first time ever, that game failed me. It played, but it wasn't scoring at all. It's like, okay, now I've got to do some work in that game. It's been working like a champ forever. So now it's like, well, 1958, it's like, okay, I need a little attention.
    51:07
    I have one last thing with the show. So who do I see sitting in the cafeteria area of the show but Mike Pacek? Or as my buddy Jack calls him, Mike Packack. pack act my pack act i was gonna say it's eric stone sipping on his 10th iced tea no so i went he had his little doggy with him and you know i basically went up and said hey i was thinking about you the other day um you know because of the passing of frank from you know the picker show you know and you remember that whole show with frank and mike i didn't i didn't know frank died. Oh yeah, he died. What happened to him? A stroke, I think. So that's why he was off the show all those years? He was having a problem? I don't know. Don't know and I don't know. Anyway, so there's that. And then I saw him being talked about, or a game that I saw and you saw, if you recall, when we went to Pinbrook. Brooks and Dunn, do you remember that game? He was there with that game. And he told me the story behind it.
    52:20
    Rare game. I guess he put his game together, and then he was telling me he sent it out to some buddy of his to be shopped and made whole, and it was going to be, I guess, Expos going on this weekend, so I think he was going to drag it to Expo. So he's not banned at that show. He's not banned at the show I went to. I don't think he's welcome for whatever reason to allentown i think it i don't remember we had we had no i know oh i remember i remember he was all i think it wasn't even ivan wasn't even in charge of that show at the time it was somebody else so he had a beef with the other people yeah yeah yeah it was all about i can't bring my dog and i can't you know this oh that's right you know and then but i think somehow it transferred over to i think ivan had the same issues with him or something or there's still some kind of thing going on about dogs. I don't know. Are there any dogs at the Allentown show? Do you ever see dogs walking around at all?
    53:20
    I think I have, haven't I? People dressed up as dogs maybe, but no. Yeah, lots of furry convention. That happens after and during maybe. I don't know.
    53:31
    The bears? It's a strange world. No, not my bears. Those are different bears. No, no, no, not those bears. The other bears. Yeah, the other bears. Okay, I think that does it for White Rose.
    53:43
    What do you have for us in your famous segment? What's up, Doc? I'll tell you what's up, Doc. Maureen and I have been busy doing many day spas and getting around the whole area here. Should I start new and go old or old and go new?
    54:05
    I don't know. Most interesting. All right, okay. We'll start. Go hot. Give us your best one. Oh, here we go.
    54:14
    Yet another Gottlieb Spider-Man from 1980. This is like the third one in, I don't know, a year. But I'm getting really good at them. So this guy, he owned it as a kid. His father bought it for him for his birthday. He knew out of the box in 1980. So his parents were moving. I think they were out in Michigan. And they said, hey, you want this thing? We're going to get rid of it. He said, no, no, I want that game. So we went out there, drove a van out to get it and brought it back.
    54:44
    He's only a one town over from me. So he said, I want it, you know, totally gone over. I was like, oh, just right for a day spa. So we're going to be there about six or seven hours working on the game. So what we do, so we looked at the game, really nice shape, but it definitely was tired, needed a little help. It actually played. So what we try to do these days is, you know, let's see, where do we start? What's the baseline for the game? So we coined it up and played a quick game on it. And all of a sudden, do you smell something? Oh, no. I smell something burning. Let's turn this thing off.
    55:24
    What's cooking, Jack? We shut the machine off. Ooh, that smell. Oh, yeah, exactly. lifted the play field up, and then a waft of smoke came out of the cabinet. It's like, uh-oh. Those good, what are they, PCBs? What's the crap in plastic? Oh, yeah, all that good stuff. A good inhale of plastic. Yeah, that was nice. But, you know, it was so much smoke, it's like, no, that's not like a diode or something like that. That's actually almost like paper smell. So we smoked a coil. Which coil would it be? I looked, it's like, ah, the one that's all burnt up. It's this one. It's a pop bumper coil. One that's now solid? Yeah, one that's now solid. But it's not so bad. We didn't leave it cooking for so long that I can't read the number on the coil, which is good. So that was good.
    56:12
    So basically, but it's funny, though. Usually when that happens, you'll hear a coil buzzing. It's like, uh-oh, it's buzzing. It's stuck on. But this thing was quiet. I didn't even hear it buzzing at all. It just, like, quietly burned up.
    56:24
    So then we said, okay, turn it off. Let's go check the fuses on the game. Did someone over-fuse this game, possibly? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Out of the ten fuses in the game, four of them were way over-fused. And how many were tinfoil? No tinfoil, just over-fused.
    56:41
    So we corrected all the fusing, gave the whole game a board-ectomy with a new Pascal all-in-one board, a Pascal sound board, Weebly pop-bumper boards, new 5-volt filter cap, three new bridge rectifiers to replace the god-awful made-in-Mexico green ones that have proven over the years to be problematic. I've got burnt by that before in these System 80 games with these green bridge rectifiers it's like oh they look good still nah don't trust them you'll be back so I just take all that crap out of there and put brand new ones in so I don't have a problem time is money better to put it in new hardware than spend time trying to diagnose you betcha the good doctor typically the guy has oh we'll still be here Believe me, we're going to be here for many hours. I'm wondering out loud, why didn't you take the game in? This sounds like in-house. No, no. Was it bad? No, I do, as my friend Stu, who runs a different, he does old-time pinball machines, you know. I see that. You need to get out your special Saltzilla game. Oh, we'll come to that. Oh, I've had fun, boy. Some people might not like me, but, man, I'm the insect. I'm there. I'm glad that gift's going to a good... It's my favorite. Awesome, awesome. So with this game, all these games, I'm in practice now replacing all those Brew Director fires and getting it done. And the guy was so thrilled with how the game played out when he had his kids down playing it, put his name in there, because it has five places to put your name in the game out of five places. So he's loving the game. Played great. then we'll go to Clover Food Lab in Cambridge now for many years I was like oh you talked about this before they went chapter 11 recently oh right well I talked about it before because you probably talked about that too it's like the health food joint right in Cambridge well healthier food soy based food depending on your viewpoint some people don't think soy based food is good whatever I'm not going to get into that other people think it's great Hey, JFK Jr., calm down. I'm not him. Please. No thanks. I don't like that guy at all.
    59:02
    Okay. Anyway. Anyway, so I've worked in their game several times, and they had their games on all the time, and there was always a problem with it. What games again? Medieval Madness, an original, and a Twilight Zone. That's right. And the owner bought them years ago and put them in there to have basically this eye candy to bring people in. people playing a quarter play or 50 cents a play, there was nothing to play. So they played the crap out of them.
    59:28
    And they kept breaking down. No matter what I did, a couple months later, something else would be breaking. So then the manager there was like, well, I don't understand why these games keep breaking. You keep coming. It's like, because you guys are playing. They're on 24-7, first of all, and you're playing the crap out of them. And you're too cheap. And it should be a dollar play, and that would pay for my time here, but it's like you've got a silver ball rolling around kicking things. These games are on 24-7. They're meant to break, especially the way you're using them. In home use only, they don't break like this, like you guys. So you're going to see me every couple months because this is how it works. You have an arcade going here. He didn't quite get it. It's like, okay, whatever. So then I had problems getting money from them, this and that. So finally they called me later on. It's like, you know what? The phone's just going to ring. I'm not answering you guys anymore. I work hard enough. I don't want to work hard for money trying to chase you down for my dough. So you know what? Find somebody else. I'm sick of it. I get paid when I do the job. Pay me then. I did the work then. Pay me then. So I guess they might have found somebody else during the meantime, and then that didn't work out because now I got a new guy calling me from corporate, and I kept not taking his call either. And finally, he sent me emails. I really want to talk to you. He's like, okay. All right, what's up? We want to sell the games. We want your expertise, opinion on what they're worth, and maybe if you can get them going quickly or get them up and running so we can get the most money for them. I said, okay, I can do that, but first of all, I need cash on the barrel ahead of time. I want to get paid up front this time. So I'm not waiting for my money. So he said, okay, we can do that. So credit card, paid me up front, my fee, great. Now I'm paid. Now I want to go do it. I actually, and the manager who was there again, who didn't call me, this is like one of the corporate guys. No, I understand. Keep going. Okay. You're doing good. So I go in there. The manager said, oh, you're back again. It's like, back again. I looked at him like, really? Back again? I haven't been in a year. And it's like, I'm not here to, I'm here to evaluate the games from corporate. You didn't call me. Your corporate guys called me. Hi, how are you? Yeah, how about hi, how are you? That's what I do. How about thanks for coming and helping us out? this is the reason why I don't want to come here but okay but I didn't care because you know what guy I already got money in my hand so get out of my face, go make some fries so then I'm working on the games and it's like I found the Twilight Zone only had someone pulled the main fuse on it and I figured out why they hired I don't know, a guy with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch, since I was answering the phone, hired some other junior schmuck to come in to work on the games.
    62:22
    And so I guess he didn't get paid either, so he pulled the fuse on one of the games. That didn't work. So I got Twilight Zone back and put the fuse back in. They got back and did a little cleaning on that one. Got rid of the credit dot on it. I had a credit dot too. Then I went over to Medieval Madness to evaluate that one and look at it. And let's see.
    62:41
    they must have wanted, again, they must have found someone cheaper to work on the game from the evidence of the duct tape over the Merlin saucer. Oh, no, come on. Yeah, duct tape. And when I peeled the duct tape off, it took some of the clear off. So that's good. That's nice. That's helpful for the game. And the ever so tight, ready to break black rubber on the kickers as well. So they put this black crap thick, like thin little rubber, almost like a rubber band on the kickers. It's ready to break. and then they also cut one of the diodes on one of the flippers they made a machine gun with hitting the button and yep more evidence they found a junior flunker to work on he's now totally down to non-working games I grabbed my cape and started in on him I was like Superman coming in so I basically fixed the I fixed the Merlin saucer solenoid was incorrect I put a new one in there, fixed the switchboard, fixed that and got rid of all the credit dots clean them up and then I but before I did all that work the guy from corporate actually came in he knew I was going to be at a certain time him and the rest of his board members all these high end people were in there around me hey how you doing really yeah they came in and met me they were nice to me okay good respect awesome you know and then I said listen I can do more work to get them to really these games are worth at least 10 grand between 10 and 15 grand a piece if they're right restored so it's like if you got another 400 bucks on you We can make it happen. So wait.
    64:11
    Even with all the plays on it, these games are in play field wise, they're in good shape? Oh yeah. I'm asking. I don't own either one of these games. So I'm asking.
    64:24
    Yeah. They're both in really nice shape. They just need a little bit of cleaning. I basically asked for, I need $500 more to do the work. Then he went and talked to his people. Can you do four? I can do four, but I want to negotiate fries. Okay, we can do that. So we got some fries and a drink.
    64:44
    So, and just one fry, not fries for me and fries for Maureen, just one fry, you know, one basket of fries, which is okay, whatever. So did a little work on it, got them running. They came back in and I showed them. It's all set to go to pictures and they're all happy and they're all, so he was all happy. So now I'm going to write up a whole thing from with pictures and send it in. So are you selling them or are they ultimately selling? They're going to sell them. I'm just being an advisory role here, an evaluation guy. Gotcha. So when are these going on sale? They're going really soon. As soon as I give them the evaluation. He already has two people interested in the game, but he doesn't know what. They're probably going to lowball and give him like five grand apiece for them. So I'm telling the guy, no, they're worth between 10 and 15 grand apiece. So he wants my professional opinion. He's a professional guy saying what they're worth. You've got to come near this price. Are you going to list these out on Pinside? I'm not going to do it. It's up to him. I can advise him. I'll advise him. You'll advise him to do that? Oh, yeah, I will. Sure, sure. Or Facebook Marketplace? All that stuff. Because these games, they're in nice shape all the way around. Well, I'm kind of promoting it for you. You did your job now, you know. Yeah. Maybe somebody hears this and says, hey, you know, I want to get involved. If you want a nice original Medieval Madness in nice shape and a nice Twilight Zone with some mods on it, it's got the clock actually works on it that has mirror blades on it. It's pretty nice shape. Can we shift gears if you're done with these guys? We can shift gears. We are down to probably this five-minute mark on this section.
    66:14
    Can we mop this up so we can both go outside? It's quarter to two. Sure. Yeah, we got – it's actually four minutes to go. Right, but I'm saying, can we do one more segment and try to mop it up in 15 or 20 minutes? I have one, I have a couple of show notes and something I want to talk to you about. All right, let me. We'll talk about Alice. All right, one thing. We're not going to spend a lot of time. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I've got like three minutes to go, so over these last three minutes, I'll just go over the last couple games. Okay, go ahead. And then we have section three. All right. Run. So more day spa from the field here. More what's up, Don. We had a couple of supersonics. We had a Supersonic in New Hampshire, a Supersonic in Needham, like back-to-back. It's weird. These games come in like back-to-back, like all these.
    67:07
    Supersonic New Hampshire, there's actually a wife wanted a pinball machine for her birthday present for her 40th birthday. Bought it from Pinball Wizard Arcade in Pelham. Remember them? Yep. It needed a lot of work, though, now, and a nice day spa. So 7-0 was on site. there was battery damage all over the board battery was removed a while ago so I put a new Weebly in there gave it a boardectomy again that was all good to go then the Supersonic and Needham another, it's actually this wife here when she wanted a birthday present a pinball machine she wants it, not the husband she wanted the game but she said I don't want any boobs I don't want any girly stuff on it I want like a regular game with none of that sex stuff on it so that's why they got Supersonic almost the same thing in Needham this husband called me to do work on it. The wife owned it as a child since new.
    68:00
    And the husband wanted me to day spar it out and it sat unplayable for years. So seven hours on that game. So that had to be in pretty good shape. That was a pretty good shape. I'd say, let me think here. Strong seven? No, I will say, you know what? I'll say the one in New Hampshire is actually better. The one in Needham, that game, I know Shuland is new I don't know what happened there but that had a lot of sun damage playfield, sun damage I must have been in some skylights on this game for a long time because it was badly damaged then I'm going to go on to we get a bunch of Strike Masters is a early 90's Williams puck bowler but with all the Williams architecture WBC boards from Adams family and so forth so Falmouth I had to do one of those sound issue because he plugged it into the wrong slot on the sound board. A bunch of other stuff was wrong with it, too, so that was several hours worth of going on that game. Got that game running. Strikemaster and Shrewsbury, sound issue, bad sound board. What's the theme of a Strikemaster? Soccer? No, it's a puck bowler. It's a puck bowler. Oh, a puck bowler. I'm sorry. Okay. Sorry. I missed that. Yeah, and then we had a Supernova in Connecticut,
    69:13
    Owned as a Child and Rare Home Use Only. Oh, we talked about that in the last show. Yeah, game plan. Championship Pub. Did I do that one in Rhode Island at Providence? No, you didn't talk about that. So, yeah, this guy was in, he owns a nonprofit in Providence, Rhode Island. So I went to his corporate office and worked. Oh, you did talk about this guy before. Okay, good. Okay, so we did him too.
    69:33
    What else was in there We got about 60 seconds here What else was I going to say about that other thing there Oh strike oh I know last thing the strike master Shrewsbury Pulled up to this, I could tell by talking to this guy and his wife that they definitely were, I'd say, right of center. Big time Trump supporters show up at his house. There is Trump signs everywhere. There are lawn signs everywhere. Big, big huge banners with trunk on top of a tank. Just amazing stuff. I said, oh, your neighbors must really love you. He said, yeah. A lot of them don't talk to us anymore, he said.
    70:09
    Yeah, yeah. It's Massachusetts. Oh, it's Massachusetts. You're behind enemy lines, man. I'm surprised the house is still there. Yeah, well, he had people coming up and spitting on his lawn and so forth. He had to call the cops. He had to put cameras out and stuff. Oh, he's at all kinds of problems. I didn't mean to rush you through your lot of repairs there, but you did a good job. I went and looked during the break at that Williams Strikemaster. That looks like a great game.
    70:41
    Yeah, it's a fun little game. Let me see if I can pull up. Let's see. So it was made in the early 90s, which I was kind of surprised to see, I don't know if there's any manufacturer out there. Strix Master! Strix Master! Strix Master! That's all it says.
    71:08
    But I'm surprised that you repair those. Yeah, because it's easier than a pinball machine because it's just connectors and boards. And that's it. Nothing with the mechanicals? It's simple. I mean, if you bust a pin, you just buy a new plastic pin, you bolt it on, and done. I mean, that stuff lasts forever. It's built solid. So it's all just, did they remember to change the batteries once a century in the game? If not, then, okay, looking at a new board and, you know, the 5-volt power supply, 5-volt on the driver board goes wonky. And so does the 12 sometimes. And you've got to rebuild the driver board. So you can buy the boards and everything for this thing. Oh, yeah. Easy repair. Same as a WPC. Same as like an Addams Family, same game. I didn't know that. Now all our listeners know that. And it has a – the sound boards in these games can be kind of tough. Like for some reason, the sound boards on like Addams Family and those type run great. But on this particular game, I think it's a simpler sound board from what I heard. But for whatever reason, I've had – both these games had problems with their sound board. One guy, he plugged it in wrong, so that's why. Plus, his speaker was blown, so there was that. This guy here with the Trump lawn, you know.
    72:26
    Trump Town. Yeah, Trump Town. He basically, his soundboard, the game was totally dead. I put new boards in it. The only thing I didn't have was a soundboard. I tried recapping the soundboard. Nah, it still didn't want to come alive. Nothing, just dead. So, but the rest of the game plays. At least the game is playable. And I said, listen, I need to order the soundboard. So basically I'm going to go, I went to Vic, who is Dumbass on Pinside. He does these awesome boards that he makes. So he's my go-to guy, even though he's more expensive than the Rotten Dogs of the World and the other corporate stuff, but he does his stuff all hand-built. His stuff is higher quality, so I'm willing to pay up for that because he just makes really nice stuff. Plus I want to support him anyway. Real nice guy. So I ordered a soundboard from him, and I told him, the guy in Shrewsbury who I'm doing this game for, he's got some health issues that kind of thing he basically said I don't know how much longer I'm for this world kind of thing but I want this game to be nice for my wife so she has it and I said okay so I told Victor how far are you behind it he said oh I'm into like early next year I'm way behind the board hey rush job I said well here's the story he always tells me if you need something rushed for some certain thing I'll see what I can do because I'm a good customer I've spent tons of money with him. I've actually given him a tip once in a while on top of the money. I've actually paid him some extra too once in a while. So I said, well, here's a story. I told him the story about the guy and about his health issues. He goes, okay, I'm dropping what I'm doing. I'm making the board for him right now. You'll have it in about a week or two. Oh, there you go. That's nice. So we did. So I got the board and I'm going to go to him probably about a week and put it in and he'll be all set and he'll be all happy.
    74:10
    I have something I'm going to show you. So I got this a while back when Mr. Aviator was still in the running.
    74:27
    And they have a dog. So it's a Joe Biden squeak toy. It's a name tag that says, I'm Joe. That's pretty good. He's got his aviators on. And there you go.
    74:41
    You're too funny. Okay, we got some old business. Old business, okay. Number one, can you say the name Martha for me?
    74:56
    Martha for me. Martha. You were in rare form in our last show. It was your birthday, so you get a pass. Martha. But you were saying Martha.
    75:07
    You had your New England. I did. You had your New England. Around the vineyard in Mathis Vineyard. Yeah, you did. You did. Okay, so that. So Paragon, I don't know. You must have been in a haze. But the upper red target in Paragon is a wide stationary target, just like on Six Million Dollar Man. It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking you were talking about the lower stationary target. It's a lower one, too. Okay. That's why. That's the confusion. You get a pass. Okay. We talked about game plan, and I said I was going to put together the game plan cocktail piss. Cocktail piss. Well, yeah, it actually is cocktail piss sometimes.
    75:55
    Woo, tongue-tied. Anyway, I have that together. We'll do that in our next show. We'll have some fun with that. I put that together. I heard from a friend of yours. Let me see if you know who I'm talking of. All right. He has a collection of Bugs Bunny cells. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my guy out in Western. He's in California out there somewhere or that part of the country. Oh, that's where he's from? Gary. West Coast. Gary. Yeah, West Coast. I'm going to call him Gary Shandling. I know that's not his name. Sure. But Gary. Okay. He offered his services to us. Yeah. Yeah, I heard about that. I didn't know what that entails, though. Well, it entails not breaking every rule. Environment.
    76:38
    Microphones. Dave, we're a horror show we shouldn't record where we record we shouldn't use laptops we're just we're a mess well that's what makes us endearing that's what we say anyway, so we heard from him thank you for your services I'm not sure we'll take you up on it but I know we need them I have okay I think that does it for the emails okay so I sent you this the other day brand new game didn't have it even it came out three days after I was at the show Alice in Wonderland yeah now I'll start this is not your daddy's Alice in Wonderland.
    77:41
    Okay, meaning it's more sexual, or is it more kiddie type? You think? Wow, really? Didn't you go look? You didn't look, did you? I didn't look, no. I'm you.
    77:54
    I'll look right now. Okay. I'm re-theming the game. This game, let me preface it by saying, this game is definitely not aimed at me or you. okay i call it alice in porno land wow really kind of it's definitely not your daddy's alice i mean i don't care but remember you said earlier in the show you know games are aimed at 14 year old boys yeah well those 14 year old boys grow up and i guess this is the kind of artwork they want and they're still horny, I guess. They still haven't got out of their system. Go to Nitro Pinball. They have the best pictures. Okay, I'll go right there. Nitro Pinball. And while you're doing that, I'm going to tell a story. Okay.
    78:46
    If you go back to our Fireball Classic episode, you heard me lament about not playing that game very well and that my son holds the high score and has held that high score for 19 years. Okay. Remember I told you you used to play before the bus, and we used to have that game in the garage. He played the game right up until the bus came, shut the game off, shut the garage door, and go catch the bus. Sure. So he's held the high score of 4.3 million for 19 years. If you also recall the story, remember Jeff Blair in my basement until the wee hours of the morning trying to beat the score, and he couldn't do it. He could not do it. Well, guess who did?
    79:37
    You did. Yes. No. Yes. Amazing. I had the game of games. The first question, I broke the news to my son. I think he now hates me.
    79:50
    And I heard through the grapevine, my wife, that my son now wants the game at his house and is going to beat that score and wipe the floor with me. Okay. So he is obsessed. so that game's going to go away I scored 4.8 million I scored 3.5 million on ball one Dave I just had the mojo I was rocking it so I was very happy and proud my son is disappointed but there's good news out of this the negotiation is if this game goes I get a new one right So I'm going to be on the hunt for something. So Alice in Wonderland, here we come. That's what you're trying to tell me? No, God, no. God, people are ripping this game. But then I saw this morning, everybody's loving it at Chicago Expo. So go figure. I'm trying to find pictures. It's J-Pop. Oh, here we go. Okay, here's a picture. Do you have any opinion on J-Pop?
    80:59
    And we'll conclude this. J-Pop. Don't know what a J-Pop is. John Papadum? Oh, him. No real opinion about him. Why? Okay. Didn't he have some kind of problem or something? Well, he's the one who designed this game. And some guy named Mervin figures. Okay, I'm looking at the cabinet artwork. Okay, she's a little sexed up, but it's the same kind of... I don't think it's that bad.
    81:29
    Do you remember Alice in Wonderland like that? you're of the age where the answer is no. No. Right. Okay, so it's more of a little bit tarted up Alice in Wonderland. So it's like Alice in Wonderland... What, the Queen of Hearts? Is that the other character? Look at her! Looks like it could be her sister or best friend. So they all grew up, and now they're hot 20-year-olds.
    81:56
    Wearing scantily clad clothing and so forth. I wasn't letting this one go by. Anyway. It kind of looks like... Not my thing.
    82:05
    I'd play this game. I'd try this game out. If it was available... Of course we'd play it. That's not the point.
    82:13
    Okay. Okay, there is no point. We're done. Okay. I thought I would have looked a better response out of you. It's kind of timid.
    82:24
    Okay. So who did this game? Oh, Dutch Pinball. Same people that did Big Lebowski. They're only really known. The only one they hit out of the park was Big Lebowski, right? What else did they hit out of the park?
    82:41
    Apparently, they're going to build 500 units of this. We'll see. It's 15 grand, I think. It's a lot of money. Whatever it is, it's a lot of money.
    82:54
    Nope. I play it just like Avatar. I'll say it. I don't know much about Avatar other than there's blue people, and I've probably seen snippets of the movie just because it's really colorful. Other than that, I know nothing about it. But the game was fun. I had fun. To me, that's the most important. If it's a new game, I had fun. You know, George, I'm actually now examining the cabinet artwork even more now, and, yeah, I see what you're saying here. Yeah, her left shoulder halter top there has kind of come down almost to her elbow. Yeah, I just, it's. And it's kind of showing a bally grapefruit going on there, it looks like. Let's put it this way. I don't think there's going to be a lot of wives who are going to say, hey, bring this game into our house. It's really good for the three-year-olds to be looking at that.
    83:45
    You know what's good to see, though? It's good to see that. And I'm not rude. I don't really care. it's good to see the Dutch over there they're not afraid to show that's what they said they don't show this in America you can't see this picture they call the people who don't like this game prudes they are prudes because we're so freaking politically correct over there they're not afraid of the female form and femininity and so forth and over here it's like oh no we can't have that we gotta have everybody dress the same and be ambiguous I don't know I think it's fine. We're going to end this segment. I'm going to call it a celebration of women. How's that? Okay, we're going to end this segment with this. Okay, sure. If I were to ask you, first thing that pops in your head, what's the one character that's memorable from Alice in Wonderland? The Cheshire Cat.
    84:35
    Okay. Oh, and also what's his name? Mr. Teacup. The Mad Hatter. Mad Hatter, yeah. Mad Hatter. Okay. Yes. Now, I'm a child of the 70s. I'm thinking the Caterpillar.
    84:51
    Okay. No, not really. Not so much. Okay. That was all on T-shirts because he was smoking out of a hookah, et cetera. Oh, okay. A little bit of a little smoky, smoky. The Deadheads, I think, really liked that. Okay. It makes sense.
    85:09
    But if you look at the play field again, the image is about two inches tall, and it's like in the middle of the play field. I don't know did you see the topper with the big cat yeah I wonder if that moves around it probably does I wonder if it talks I'm sure it does talk I'm sure it talks and everything else it looks like I'm looking at the play field again here well we'll get to play it at some point I'm sure maybe not by the time we go to another show you're not planning on going to any shows in the near future, right? Not until next year, probably. Okay. I do like how they're using like Jersey Jack. They're using clear rubber and colored rubber. They're not shaping out like Stern with all the stupid black rubber they use. No, they're more collector. Yeah, this is a nice piece of artwork.
    86:08
    Exactly. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. I think that they definitely spent some time on it I'd love to play this, this looks great yeah I'd uh not the response I thought I was going to get from you but that's okay, that's what makes the show yeah, I think it looks pretty cool um, I'm ready to go enjoy the beautiful weather uh, as I'm sure you are we are, but we have to get ready for uh, I'm actually going to go meet Tacoma in person uh, oh you're going to do the Godzilla reveal, or No, no, I'm going to do, I basically, I bought for him the Stumbler Godzilla mod, the one that lights up in the play field and that kind of stuff. It's a high-end mod. They ain't giving it away. So what are you doing the handoff? He's coming up to Boston. I'm doing the handoff. Well, actually, he still owes me a little bit of money and so forth, and it hasn't really been hitting the mailbox like this. I tell you what, how about if I, you know, I'm going to Boston anyway today because I like to eat. What's that? I like to eat. Yeah, I like to put some food on the table. So I'd like to get, you know, to get... I'd like some lettuce in my pocket. Lettuce would be good. So let's get some lettuce. So I said, listen, we're going to go... I'm going to Mike's, you know, Mike and Chris, right? Mike's birthday. A little surprise party for him coming up and we're going out to dinner with a bunch of people and them out in Brookline tonight. So I was like, hey, we're going to be in Boston, anyway, are you around? We always swing by and pick up a check from you. Oh, yeah, that's great. Come on by. So I got his address. Nice place.
    87:51
    He's at the Four Seasons. Oh, pardon me. Yeah. Pardon me. Wow. His home away from him was the Four Seasons in Boston, so I'm going to go there today. Yeah, cry for me, Argentina.
    88:07
    So I get a little paycheck from him, and I said, hey, by the way, if you want this nice... The pool business is really good. Oh, it's doing good. If you want this nice Godzilla mod, I have in my hand that's hard to get. You've got to be on a waiting list. I have it. And I do have another customer, which is true, up in New Hampshire, who wants me... I'm negotiating right now doing a whole mod of Palooza on his game, and he wants to know what do I have and how much to install and blah, blah, blah, which I have not got back to him yet. And I said, well, I do have this mod. I wouldn't mind. I'm holding on to it. I paid for it. It's earmarked for you, But if you really want it, it would be great if you kind of paid me for this, too, and actually you can have possession of it. It's yours, and when I come to the island, I'll put it in for you. So, oh, yeah, sure. So he added that out to the price, too, on the check. So I'll be getting a nice check from him today.
    88:55
    So that will close the loop on that one. Until next time, I'm out to this venue, maybe springtime, going back over there to do more Mata Palooza on his game, as well as the other guy I have over there to work on his 10 WPC games he has, Let's do some more work over there and do that all over again. Okay, good. So let's do a quick recap. We are going to do another show soon because we need to make up a show. Shall we tease what the games are going to be we have coming up? You said we're going to do Nineball. Nineball, but also we have another one coming up in the pipeline. Okay. Taxi.
    89:35
    Oh, that's right. Well, we're going to make that. Christmas. We're going to do a Christmas song. Christmas song, Christmas show. Christmas song, Christmas show, both. Yeah.
    89:47
    I've got some... I've got to do some investigating. Okay. We have a brand new arcade one town away. You do? Yeah. Okay. And somebody tipped me off on a couple others. So I'm going to go do some investigative recording and maybe some recording and have a segment for one of our shows. Is it Rampapalooza? I don't know. You know what? If you open, I'm going to go spend some money. I'm going to go find out. Okay. So I don't know. I'll let you know. Is there beer involved? No. Both of these are not drinking establishments. They're pure arcades. So basically pay one price, get in, or you're dropping quarter? I don't know that either. The one, yes. The other, the new one, I'm not sure. Somebody just tipped me off on Pinside. So I was like, okay, it's not far away. I'll go figure it out. So stay tuned for that. So we've got some good things coming up.
    90:47
    If there's nothing else, I'm going to say happy flipping. Stay lit and tilted. And until next time, Dave, why don't you plug your websites and send us off.
    91:01
    All right. this has been George and this has been Dave and please check out the website pinballdoctor.com all spelled out p-i-n-b-a-l-l-d-o-c-t-o-r c-t-o-r dot com, pinball doctor I'm tongue tied here, boy oh boy more coffee for me, pinballdoctor.com and Dr. Day's Pinball Restorations on YouTube and lots of games for sale lots of coming to the busy season right now so if you want to get your game tuned up for Thanksgiving Christmas we do our day spa situation where we come on site work on your game get it all spiffed up for your enjoyment and levity there you go and by the way it's it's we're husband-and-wife team I will put out there about my wife and I would come out there together and work on the game together so it's a team thing. So hit your game with two people and get her all done. Get her done.
    92:05
    Bye Dave. See you George. Until next time, stay lit, tilted, and that's it. See ya. Who do you call when you want your pinball machinery story. Dr. Dave!
    92:27
    Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Right. But George, you don't know what you're saying. You're under their control. George, we've had it with you. Say no rodeo, bro dad. Hasta la vista, baby.