All right, let's talk a little pinball. Sorry we're a little late here today, but as you can see, sun's coming in. Let's share this. All Sorry gang. Just uh getting everything ready. And we are live and we got people in the house. No, I'm in my bedroom. I'll tell I'll tell you why I'm in my bedroom. How's everybody doing? There we go. I'm in my minimalist bedroom. You know what? Let me get a little something to raise this thing up. Hold on a second. Everybody, welcome. Oh, that's better. That's a better height. How's everybody doing? I'm in this like lazy boy recliner which is like and I've got the sun coming in. It's a beautiful day to spend today inside at this hour talking about pinball is sacrilege. But we'll do it. We'll do it because you know I love you guys. And we're back on YouTube. I know if I'm at automated, I'm gonna be on I'm gonna be on Facebook Live, but Facebook Live made it so you can't flip the screen around. It's just so weird. Um, strange. Are you in a juvenile detention center? No, it's my king-size bed. Um, I'm getting artwork for that wall. But gang, I like it very It's very clean. It's very minimalist. So, you guys would be like, "Oh, you can fit a pin there." You like where I'm at right now. You'd be like, "You can fit a pin there." I know how you guys are at. Pins in front of windows. Um, no. So, I'm uh I'm I'm in my So, we have relatives uh visiting right now. So, they're they're taking a tour of the house and I just uh I'm been relegated, if you will, to the bedroom for today's Saturday morning spectacular. How's everybody doing? Let me clean the screen real quick. There we go. Clean it. Oh, coming at you from Rowaden, Connecticut, as you can see on my polo bear. Tony, you get it, man. Some people don't understand the uh the concept of minimalism that when things are when I hate clutter. I hate it. I hate exposed wires. I hate seeing anything under a pinball machine. One of my biggest pet peeves next to pins in front of windows directly is having boxes of anything. Don't store anything underneath your pinball machines. It is the ugliest thing you can possibly do. And if you if if I'm talking to you right now after this show, go clean underneath your pinball machines. It looks terrible. I don't care. I don't care that there's just because there's space there doesn't mean you should put something there. Oh man, how's everybody doing? So, let's like let's go share this the Patreon chat. Um, you know, look, you either check Facebook or YouTube at 10:00 a.m. on a Saturday, right? I mean, and and you know, you know, it's going to be one of two places, right? It's like one side of the coin or the other. How's everybody doing? I put sub Look, a subwoofer is fine. I still don't like the I don't love the look of subwoofers under pinball machines. Uh but it's fine. I you know, I've never played a pin with an external sub. I was going to add one to Guns and Roses, but as you know, I'm done. I'm done adding money to Guns and Roses. Zach Manny is selling a CE for 10, I think. I want to say 109 or 105. Uh, which means what do you think he gave the trading guy? Nine. I don't I you know I don't know. I don't know the retail price on a GNRCE. It's going to be interesting, right? Because there's only 500 of them. And as these companies continue to crank out a thousand CES, man, GNR, I think GNR, you know, will never recover because there's too many. There's too many. I I think uh some dros are sitting on like 10 20 30. I know one dro that has 87 unsold. 87 G&RL's unsold. Music pins have to have a woofer. Well, yeah. The thing about when you have little kids in the house, gang. Ain't no subwoofer going on ever. ever. Unless the kids are at school. Oh, man. A sub is a must on any pin. Sounds like a tin can without it. I don't know. I mean, I don't, you know, look, I don't I don't look for my pinball machines to sound like a home stereo system. That's just me. So, uh, look, let's talk about what's going on in the pinball world, everybody. How's that sound? Let's get, uh, let's get, uh, let's get the conversation rolling. I'm just going to drop this real quick on my Patreon chat, and then, um, we're going to we're going to be off and running. And I think um, you know, I'm going to try something new today, too. We're going to we're going to share screen. We're going to go to the pinside marketplace and talk about pins. How's that sound everybody? What am I doing right now? Why am I Why am I on pin side? Oh, man. It's like it's so crazy right now. There we're We absolutely we absolutely are in the calm before the storm. What is that thing looking at my It's like the um the Easter Island head in the chat. I don't know what that is. Okay, so let's let's talk about do we want to talk about the Stern layoff rumor? We'll start there. Uh I reached out to someone who works at Stern at a very senior level and he said that's uh news to me. Haven't heard haven't heard or seen any layoffs. So I don't I don't think there's a layoff. I think there might have been a reduction in manufacturing from five weeks to four. five weeks. Five days a week to four days a week makes sense, you know? I mean, Stern's got I I think Stern's assembly line employees are contract employees. I don't think they're Stern employees. I think they might be uh temps. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I I think some of them might I don't but I think they're I think they're content employees. I think they're contracted employees. um temp workers is but they're, you know, they're kind of like semi-permanent temp workers. I don't know. I just don't uh care to speculate about stuff like that. I don't think I don't think it uh it does anything. I don't think it I don't think anyone knows 100% what the truth is. I don't think Stern Pinball or its employees owe us an answer. None of us are investors in the company. And I think what everyone is looking for and you got to be an I I'll use a stridident word. You got to be an idiot to not realize the pinball market is really soft right now. You know, you got to be an idiot. Like you know what I'm saying? And it's not just a pinball market. It's It's the world, the global economies, people's anxiety levels. Okay. I think that is like where I would start this whole thing. I'm anxious. a lot of white collar job guys that uh you know are watching the way things are going, watching watch what's happening to your 401k, watch what's happening to the world. And it doesn't make people feel optimistic. People don't feel confident and people don't feel like now's a good time to buy a 13 to $15,000 pinball machine. I just think that's a reality. It's also like you just got to be a little bit of a fool not to see what the market has done to 90% of the games on the market. Like Stern can't just keep making 800 games a week. Not at these prices. Not with 13 other pinball companies. It's just it's just not sustainable. Nothing about it is sustainable. and they clearly scaled up and built a massive massive manufacturing organization uh during the COVID demand craze. And so now they've built a company to satiate a demand that's no longer there. And I worry about Stern because what do they do now, right? I mean, they bought the big house, but now the demand for those bedrooms is no longer there. The kids have moved out. They're in college. like you don't need all this. And what happens when you buy the big house and you lose your job or your income gets decreased and I think they're going to suffer uh from a lot of the the new market which is going to be a lot smaller, a lot softer and I think there's going to be a lot more people just waiting on new inbox purchases. The problem is you got to remember everybody the con like the the chain of events that Stern needs to happen to fulfill their manufacturing size. They need to make like five to 800 games a week. They need to have they need those games sold and out the door. The people historically who buy those games are not you. They're not me. They're dealers and distros. So they need on a global level dealers and distros because they don't sell direct to place orders for that many games every week, every month. What happens when all those dealers and dros have been I don't know if they're paying for these games in full or they owe Stern money, but what happens when these dealers and dros have so much unsold inventory? They can't order more games from you, but Stern's going to still make those games. So, those games are piling up. You've got thousands of games piling up that Stern has made that haven't even been shipped to distros. And you've also got thousands of games globally probably sitting in DRO and dealer warehouses. On top of that, you've got hundreds, if not a few thousand games. Probably a few thousand games of unboxed, used games that are much more attractive in price than all the new inbox stuff that if you buy the new inbox stuff, it's going to lose so much value in the first six months. And so, everyone's just woken up to this. And it's uh it's a harsh reality for Stern. doesn't matter for Jersey Jack because they don't need money. It's kind of okay for the boutiques because they're still the most attractively priced games and they still hold better value. Not Not tremendous value, but better value because the games are truly more limited. The games aren't as good. They're getting there. You know, Spooky Game is really good game. Evil Dead's not better than Godzilla, right? It's not better than a than a Keith Owen machine yet. They're not there yet. They'll get there. So, all this has happened in like 2, three years. And no one's used to it. And no one can predict if it's going to end up being okay. No one can really predict if it's going to collapse a little bit more. Uh, I my if I were to just make a a guesstimate, I think the pinball market over the next three years is um is going to shrink by 20 to 30% in terms of new inbox sales as as an overall industry. Look how hard it was for Spooky even to sell out of 888 Evil Deads, right? I mean, I don't know why Joe New Hart bought the last 25. I mean, I love Joe New Hart, but I was thinking about what he did. He committed to buying 25 games at the end of at the end of the run of Evil Dead. Okay, let's say those are like on average, and they're more than this, but on average, let's just say those are $10,000 each. So Joe New Hart, I love you brother, committed to a quarter million dollar for 25 machines. By the time he gets his machines, those games will be selling for less than $10,000. He will struggle to find buyers for the game because Beetlejuice is going to come out. And why would And look, I get it. He's a great guy. He He got that photo op with I helped them sell out. But I'm just say I don't think that was a smart buy again. Like a quarter million you just committed which what are you going to make like 2,000 a game? You You Okay. So to make what? 25 times two to make $50,000 if you sell them all at full retail. to you know I don't know like I think I it's it's the roll of the die for these dealers and distros. I'm I'm reading some of your comments. Um what happens if Stern's market shrinks to the point where designers start getting poached? I mean Dave Sanders I like like it's that doesn't Dave any like they like Jersey Jack offered Keith Elwin a lot of money and he said no. I wouldn't if I was the designer I'd want to be at Stern. If I was, you know, I I just would if I was an artist, I I would, you know, I would want to be at Stern, but like if I'm but or I'd want to be what Franchie has at Spooky because he gets to do every spooky game, right? Because if Franchie was at Stern, he'd be doing maybe one game a year. Now he's doing one game a year guaranteed. Better gig. Better gig. So I I don't know. I don't worry about that stuff. I don't worry about that stuff. I I'm glad I'm not um I'm glad I I'm not all in on this thing. I think what's going to be hard too um is here's what I think is going to happen and I love this conversation and this is why I love Pimol Gang and and thank you guys for for joining on YouTube. It's always a lot of fun every Saturday morning. Uh I look forward to this uh every week. I I think what's going to get really interesting this year. I think that one of the parts that people I think tend to forget is if a new magical game comes out, let's say Potter or Kong, people want it, then they got to sell old stuff that that pushes even further down the value of the older games because you're not going to get like 14 15,000 for Godzilla's anymore, people. Nor Nor should you even be close to getting that. And what's going to happen is just it's just more and more games on the market. You know, an already oversaturated marketplace is now overly overly saturated. And then also when a modern game come out that really crushes it, like if Harry Potter ends up being the best Jersey Jack game ever, it's really going to also expose, I think, a lot of the uh inadequacies of those older Jersey Jack games. And then people are not really going to want them. You know, you just you just start to tank and collapse the value of those older games because they're going to get exposed for being halfbaked games the way they were, right? Like Willy Wonka doesn't have all the assets. Willy Wonka is devoid of all the assets. I think Pinball will shrink back to where it was in 2017. The thing is, Josh, I I don't like it can't like Stern can't shrink back down. What What will happen? Cuz Cuz Josh, the problem is is like when you say shrink back down like uh I'm like, is pricing going to go back to what it was? Nope. Because the cost of making these things is going to keep going up. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I look at it all, you know, I was talking to a dude last night. He's I'm like, you know, cool dude in in Norwok. Cool dude. And he's and and he's we were talking about watches. We were talking about collectible things. And And he's like, "How much is a pinball machine?" And I was like, "Yeah, like six to $15,000." And he was just like, "Oh, that's it. That's it." dude had on a $40,000 watch, drives a $150,000 car. He He was just like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Um and and it was just interesting because in uh this is why I think the this is what's dumb about pinball is at these prices, the collectible nature of it needs to continue needs to continue. See, if you blow up the collectible nature of it and just make it a mass produced product at 15, Yeah. then nobody really wants it at that. You know, the amount of demand for a a gold Rolex Daytona far out exceeds the amount of gold Rolex Daytonas they make a year. The amount of demand for a Metallica Remastered LE does not far exceed the demand for it. You know, those games are sliding back down. There's not that many people. There's not. And that's the thing is on a global pinball and and this is just me watching the market and how long certain games remain for sale and what they're selling for. It's It's like you know you're you've got just like I would say the total number of people even in the market to buy a game you know look at the pro level a lot more people. at the $15,000 level. A lot less people. The photos, what about demand for the photos of Franchie and Espeo? Those Those are um that's a super limited edition in my honest opinion. Wayne said, "People will still buy new pinballs, but only the top four titles. The other 10 10 manufacturers will suffer." I mean, I I don't um I don't disagree, Wayne, but what is going to be Here's the problem, Wayne. What happens if Potter Predator barrels his game and uh and King Kong are all great? What happens if you have four great games that release within four weeks of each other? What happens? What happens? Do you really think in this world right now people are going to be writing checks for $60,000 to get four machines? 120 grand before taxes to get four pinball machines in your house. It's just not happening. It's not happening. Also, like I I don't know if you guys feel this way. I feel this way. It's like I I mean, who cares really? Seriously, do any of us have any money invested in these companies? No. We have some money in these products. So, buy what you love and buy what you enjoy. I I was talking to the gentleman last night and you know, we were He's like, "Oh, I like your Omega." You know, this James Bond Omega. I think his watch is like 8 8 9,000. I bought it because I I bought it because I got drunk on margaritas with Brenda at Dose Camino and I rolled in there and I just bought it drunk. Uh it's cool. I love it. I don't I don't like it more than my Grand Seiko that was half the price or $6,000. And it's just it's just to me it's like all right, cool. I mean look and then on the used market something like this goes for like seven right it is it is what it is but um you know but my thing is you know when we're talking about we were talking about watches we were talking about resale and and we both were kind of like yeah man it's like the world where we're at now everybody's like just buy what you of if you're going to buy a watch, wear it. Like don't speculate, buy. Don't buy to flip it. Don't buy for resale. I mean, like the watch world, that's that's all changed, right? Everyone who bought to speculate got destroyed. Everyone who got bought everyone who bought not even to speculate, anyone who bought pinballs over the last four years just to have fun on in LA got destroyed. You got destroyed. You got your asses handed to you. You really did. If you look at someone who came in new to the hobby over the last three to four years who got, you know, got bit by the bug. I think Don bought a bunch of games, you know, there's a there's there's a lot of guys like that. They bought a lot of games and, you know, if they they just probably got destroyed on the resale of them. Everyone learned a lesson. Everyone learned a lesson. Retro Ralph bought a lot of games. Uh, I was talking to Retro Ralph. Uh, we're going to give him a call today. The Rishard Mle watches Franchie are the I have a friend who has one. I It's just all that is and he has FU money. It's just It's just an FU item. That's all it is. Like to wear a quarter million dollar watch. You're just telling everybody in the bar, "Your chick would rather be with me." Like, that's all it is. It's fu money, you know? It's fu money. As a as a time piece, I think they're ugly, but I don't even know why they cost that much money to be honest. I've never And if I saw a dude wearing one, I would probably just feel like I don't even want to talk to this guy. But, you know, it is what it is. It's fu money. Um, let's see. There are they are so overhyped. I I mean, I don't even care, man. It's like, do you guys even know people that collect watches at that level? I'll say this. If you have a Rishard Millle, if you have a Lamborghini, if you have a Bentley, you better have a $10 million house or more. I mean, that's just and and if you do and if you have all those things, guess what you don't have? You don't have immortality. You're not having more fun in your house than a bunch of blue collar pin heads drinking beers listening to AC/DC on the, you know, life. You know, I like I've learned this in life, like who cares? Who cares? Do you have your health? Do you have friends that love you? Do you have co-workers that you appreciate? Do you have a job that you enjoy? Do you have um do you have do you have a good head on your shoulders? We all wish we made more money, right? We all could have made money for nothing in certain areas in the market. I mean, when I look at how much money I made on Bitcoin for doing nothing, it it it's it's so shocking to me that three years ago, I told my financial adviser to put 10% into Bitcoin when it was like 16,000 a coin or 20 thou and and you know, and I'm like and I was looking over my finances with Brenas. I'm like, wait, what? We have this in Bitcoin now? And then I look at my company raises I've had over the last six years. It's like what? It's why you need to it's it's why you need to take your money and your salary and you need to wealth generate with it, not buy pinball machines. Unless, you know, that's I always do tell people though, if if you're not invested in long-term financial planning and you you don't have a lot of money, but you own a $10,000 pinball machine, you know, look, you can have your fun, but life hits everybody differently, right? I mean, your 20s, you're having fun. In your 30s, you got to grow up. You got to you got to grow up. You got to be a little bit more serious about relationships, about your your career, and you got to have a little bit more focus. And you know, and for a lot of people, you're having families then. Some people had families in their 20s. I I mean, I don't I would I don't I I couldn't even imagine having a child in my 20s. I I don't I was a child. I I would been the worst dad ever if that happened then. Chris, come to MGC. You can stay in my hotel room. When is MGC? when it you know, Franchie, get rid of those things, man. I when I sold my Transformer collection for $50,000, it was the best move ever. It's next weekend. Uh I I mean, I don't know. I I'm I'm not spending money. If they want to fly me out, canada pinball@gmail.comh I've never been build as a special guest. Never been build. Uh never been never been invited or had my travel paid for to go to a show. Oh, Chris. Uh you are right. The people should invest for security, but let's say you buy used premium for 8K and have a lot of fun with it. Uh yeah, sure. I don't even know if you're going to be able to get 7500 anymore for premiums. There's so many of them. This is the other thing that's going to happen is you everything's going to go down another1 to $2,000, right? And I I mean this when I say this, we are going to see in the next two years Stern Pros 3500 4,000. It's going to happen people. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Venom Pro 4 grand on the table. It's yours. Let's talk about Harry Potter. Let's talk about Harry Potter. What we know. We know they're going to do an unlimited window to order the CES. We know that that is going to kind of kill the collectibility of it. But it's also, I think, a a smart move for Jersey Jack. It's also a a move that's gonna probably change the industry because I do think Stern might follow suit. I I do I think we are at a point now where there might only be a need for two trims on a game. I I do I don't I think you just make the creme de la creme version and you make the pro and you don't have to limit the creme de la creme version. Just make that and the pro if you want it. It's this now. And look, maybe if you do that, you can kind of find a middle ground price between an LE and a Pro. Maybe it's not 15 or 13. Maybe, you know, the Pro, cuz think about it. The Pro is seven. Maybe the other version is 12. Like five grand more for all the bells and whistles and that's it. We're just going to make those two versions of a game, you know? I I think because the FOMO to get the collectible, that's not even collectible. It's not even rare. It It's It doesn't mean anything anymore. It does. And it's not going to mean anything on Harry Potter. So, I just think the whole thing is I don't know. I think the whole thing is kind of Do you guys feel this way? Like the whole I got an LE or I got a C means nothing now. It means nothing. Oh, okay. So, Jersey Jack announcing this thing at TPF. more I think about it, it's kind of like not a not a terrible move. Think about it. Everybody's talking about what out of TPF. What is everybody talking about in three minutes? Jersey Jack stole the conversation away from everybody, right? Nobody's No one's talking about Portal. No one's talking really that much more about Medieval Madness. You know, they had their little sales window, but no, everybody's talking about Potter. So, it's like with zero marketing dollars spent, he owned 100% of the conversation coming out of the show. So, we knew it was Harry Potter, but it was nice to hear it from the from Jack himself, you know, and and the whole thing of like, oh, it tanked the sales of Avatar. Avatar sales have been zero for months. They know that. Mark Seiden knows that. He's hopefully working on his next game. The Steve Ritchie's game is next. Uh, it's it's barely coming along. Like, Rich, they need more time to get to Richie's next game. Um, I will know what Steve Ritchie's next game is and I will tell you, just not yet. Uh, I know multiple people who know. And I'll give you I'll give you a hint. It's not a It's not a nostalgic theme. It's not like an 80s or 90s theme. So, you can remove Top Gun. You can remove Matrix. You can remove like it's and it's not a music pin. So you can remove Beasty Boys. You can remove I don't know Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers. Like he's it's it's not a nostalgic pin and it's not a music pin. So um yeah, and it's very early in development. They need more time. They need more time. Um, Bill Brandice is here. Morning, Bill. Um, so yeah, Steve Ritchie's pin. I will know the theme. I will tell you the theme and it'll be much like Harry Potter. We will all know the theme for a really long time before the game comes out. So, here's the other thing about Harry Potter. Three levels of play. When I said three levels of play, I didn't mean three trim levels, which there are also going to be. There's going to be three levels of play. So, I if I were a guessing man, I would say it's going to be two upper playfields. I lower fields um suck. Is Is there any other way to say it? Lower playfields suck. They're not good. I I mean, if it's going to have a lower play field, I I don't know what what from the Harry Potter world would make for a lower play field. But I just I don't know. Is The Evil Dead lower playfield fun? Because I haven't played a low I haven't played the game. I just know that like on almost all games I've played, lower playfields are not fun. It's not fun in monsters. It's not fun in AC/DC. It's not fun in I mean Labowski is cool looking, but it gets old quickly. The Chamber of Secrets. Avatars. A Avatar. You know what's funny is Avatar has two lower playfields that both suck. you know, they couldn't even get one right, so they put two in. Um, well, look, I I think they're going to sell I think they're going to sell like 8,000 Harry Potters. I do. I think they're going to sell like 8,000 Harry Potters. I think they're going to sell I think they're going to get orders for 3 to 4,000 CES alone. Remember, they're also going to make an Ellie, but I think they're going to sell three to 4 thousand CES alone. And I think because the CE topper is going to be what everybody wants along with the game and the the nicer armor and the nicer sort of rad cows. So, I expect that to be uh what happens. So I look the what's crazy is like to me the crazy the the biggest gamble happening right now is David Van Es's inability to show you his game and get orders in before Harry Potter. You know I've been talking to David Van Es and I know Brian Savage is a member of the Canada Club and I don't know if Brian's here right now but I just I can't imagine what is being said in the boardroom over at Barrels. What What are you guys waiting for? You're legitimately gonna wait and and like drop your game right on top of Harry Potter. That is crazy. That is crazy. Um, yeah. Not what I would do. Not what I would do. I And I think Barrels needs to like I I just I can't imagine it's Dune, but I think it's Dune. I just I just don't understand. I don't It's got to be Goonies. It's got to be Goonies. And And I keep telling this to David and Robert Blakeman over there and everybody I know. I'm like, "Guys, if it is Dune, what you're doing by allowing the Dune like negativity, right? Like everybody's wishing it's not Dune. It this isn't good. This is not good. This is not going to work out. You guys are not going to be able to turn everybody's expectations around if you drop if if everyone's like, I don't want it to be Dune. It's Dune and you know it's Dune. You need to look at what happened with Elton John. The same thing is going to happen with your game. And like and again because we now have confirmation that Potter is not just coming out but it's coming out like right on top of your game and King Kong is coming out right on top of your game. And you also know look look I love I love my friends at barrels but you know there's no way this game is going to be as good as a Keith Owen game. No way. You know, so like not only not only do you have Harry Potter coming at you, you've got Keith Owen also coming out with his King Kong and Stern needs a hit. And Stern's about to drop Spike Three and Stern's going to put everything in the kitchen sink into this game because they need a big hit. And I think they're going to hit it out of the park. I think Harry Potter's going to hit it out of the park. And so like if I'm David Van Es, come out now. Don't wait to fly Canada in and and Ian, we you don't need Nudge Magazine or Canadas Pinball Podcast to secure your orders, you know? You don't need any of us. You just need to like secure deposits now. Lock people in now, right? Fly Zach Manny over there now. Have them do a featureette now. Don't wait. Don't Don't wait. You know, they're waiting to have games in boxes. It's It's irrelevant now, David. I mean, it's irrelevant. We don't need your game in box to order the game. People will be okay waiting a month or two before the first ones start shipping. I know you want this to be like how our company operates like the princip principles by which you operate but I'm telling you you need to adjust those principles because the market the market has changed and you're dropping your game into the most crowded market ever against two games you know you can't beat is I mean it's harsh to say that David and and Barl's guys but you know you don't have a game that's gonna beat Potter or King Kong. I think you have a really good sophomoric game coming, but you know you can't beat Potter or Kong and you've got to be honest about that. You got to know when to hold them and when to fold them. I mean it. You got you've got to play your hand early. You know what I'm saying? Like you need to go all in before the flop. I mean, that is the the best analogy. You need to go all in before the flop, before Harry Potter and Kong hit on the river. And they're going to hit on the river. And you're going to kick yourself that you didn't get out in front of them. JJP is not going to screw up Harry Potter. They are not. They're They're not going to screw it up. I I have faith in them on this game. Uh, I'll be the first one to make fun of them if they do screw it up. What's up? 106 people watching right now. How's everybody doing? How's everybody doing? Um, Predator. Let's talk Predator. Predator. Pinball from the Pinball Brothers. Now, I told everybody I believe Predator will be revealed April 25th and then it will be at Pin uh Pintastic. No. Um, Allentown Pinfest. Is it Pinfest? It's going to be at PinFest. Uh, Coint Taker is a big distributor for Pinball Brothers. I expect Predator to be in their section there and I think that's how it's going to go. What is this here? What? Abee flips. What are you talking about? So, I I think that Predator is going to If it has Arnold, I'm buying it. If it doesn't have Arnold, I'm not buying it. I that Okay, I think that's like real simple. I don't care if the game sucks. If the game is great, I don't care if the game's terrible, but it has Arnold and it has Carl Carl Weathers and Arnold's iconic hands shake. And I hear Dylan, you son of a get to the chopper. It's got to have Arnold. How could it not have Arnold? Like Arnold is like the the He's the protagonist. He He's way more than Ripley even in Alien, right? Way more than Ripley. If it doesn't have Arnold, it's game over. Get to the Abba Choappa. Yeah. No, the the handshake needs to be when you have two players, guys. When you make a two-player match, it needs to have the handshake. I think I'm too young to be into Predator. I'm 44 and I think I missed it by a year or so. What? What are you talking about, Albert? How did you miss Predator at 44 years of age? It doesn't make any sense. Like, didn't you go watch it when you were like 13, 14 and like, "Oh my gosh, this movie is amazing." Arnold and other pins. I ain't got time to bleed. Son of a, you know, son of a bee is dug in like an Alabama tick. You hit, you're bleeding, man. I ain't got time to bleed. You got time to duck. This is the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like I know Predator like so many lines from that movie. I can't recite one line from the last Avatar movie. Not one. I don't even know two characters from Avatar. You know, Billy, Dutch, Hopper, you know, do you like can I can I can like recite entire scenes to Predator right now. I think this is what you're looking for. you set us up. You know, the cabinet minister, it was all lies. He's like, I did what I had to do to get the job done. It was something like that. Like, and he's like, "So, you cooked up a story and you threw us in the meat grinder. What happened to you, Dylan? I grew up. Why don't you? My order was to get Hopper in here. You know, I just man, you know, like like Hopper was killed. He wasn't killed. He was skinned alive. I mean, just just that line. He wasn't killed. He was skinned alive. I mean, it's so good. Can you imagine being the screenwriter? Like whoever wrote the script for Predator like should be like we should know who that man is. like that man should be famous, you know, a guy who's like he writer writing the scene like you know he's in the corner smoking his cigar and Arnold no Arnold is smoking a cigar looking over a map of a jungle with a general and he says to general why do you need us why didn't you call in the regular army and then cut camera to man sitting against the wall in the corner, silhouetted it in shadow, cuz some damn fool accused you of being the best. All right, cut to Arnold slowly turning around to see who said that, Dylan. You son of a I mean, seriously, that is better than You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. yeah. These kinds of movies left this kind of indelible impression upon people. Anyway, didn't you tell people to buy Ethereum at $4,000? No. Who's young Patrick? Why would I tell you to buy Ethereum at $4,000, fool? I bought my Ethereum at 1,500, brother. Yeah. Yeah. It sank back down, but I don't care. I don't look if you guys take stock advice from Canada, you really got to get your head examined. What's up? Oh, I love it when they're like with the razor. No, the best part, too, the the laser beam on Carl Carl Weathers's arm and he gets his arm blown off while it's still firing. So, they need to have the Predator laser sighting on as the topper and they need to get the laser to point on your body. Can you imagine that? that it points the the laser from the Predator's shoulder is pointing on your body and moves across you. Talk about pinball moment. Whoever said you don't need Arnold in a Predator machine, Joseph, you are 1,000% wrong. You are 1,000% wrong. Get to the Japa, Dylan, you son of a I feel like I feel like when George Gomez asked Jod Dankber for so how's John Wick sales doing? Jody, you son of a you set us up. All of it. John Wick is popular with the kids. All of these Gen Z lifestyle brand kids that we used a focus group that were going to spy all these pins. Jody, you set us up. So, you cooked up a story and you threw Stern Pinball in the meat grinder. What happened to you, Jodie? I gave us a game and it didn't sell. It's not that it didn't sell. It was skinned alive. You're like, I'm unsubscribing from Canadas Pinball Podcast right now. Look, nobody else does weird shows like this. I mean, let's face it. I mean, come on. This is why you're here. This is why you're here. you know, don't need to paint myself blue. I can't even go to the gym now. I'm still in my hernia recovery. Um, who is doing Indiana Jones is shelved. Uh, John Borg designed an entire Indiana Jones game and Stern shelved it because they ran into licensing issues because the if the Indiana Jones license like I think the studios that controlled it like changed hands and so Stern was not able to renegotiate it. I'll just give you this juicy rumor. Do you guys want a juicy rumor? You ready? You ready? A game that is highly collectible that is very valuable. A game a game's had its license renewed after many, many years. That's all I'll say. Take that to the bank. Send me some stars mofos. Where's your Where's those PayPal? Like we used to get people would send Canada money. We get We get Brenda sushi tonight. Bill Brandice. Canad Pinball@gmail.com on PayPal. Who's the first one who's going to send a little kick a little kick a little coin to Canada we call it? He's busking for money. I love it. Make I love when this pisses people off. Yet yet, yet yet you'll do pinball raffles or like $25,000 raised off of one game. H a lot of money. People make a lot of money in raffles and charities. Barrels of Fun wants to do a charity raffle. Well, not a charity raffle. It's a raffle. If you register your Labyrinth game, you can win one of the new games. All right. Why doesn't everyone just register? Why doesn't everyone just register? Uh, it makes no sense if you wouldn't. Canad Pinball.com. We have 118 people. Wow, we got a really good audience. Everybody, how you doing? How you doing? Um, I I think we're going to have such a fun two months. It's so fun. Like, we know Harry Potter, we know King Kong, we know Predator, we know Barrels of Fine. so much. It's gonna be so much fun to see what these guys do. It's going to be so much fun. It's going to be so I I if you have to ask me, I think the way these games are going to fall in terms of reception is going to be the following. I'm just I'm being serious right now. I think in fourth fourth place is going to be Barrels of Funds Dune. If it's Goonies, sorry, I just like spoke and hiccuped at the same time. If it's Goonies, much higher up on what I'm about to say. So, Barrels of Funs Dune is going to be fourth. Pinball Brothers Predator will be third. I'm telling you right now on theme alone, a lot more people are going to want a lot more people are going to want Predator over Dune. A lot more. And And both companies only need to sell a thousand. If I had to pick which theme I'm going to go in on, it's Predator. Just grown men want Predator more than Dune. It's a more fun machine to have in your house and the subject matter is way more energetic and fun and and it's just way better theme for pinball than Dune. Dune is slow. It is melodramatic. It uh the scenes are not as memorable. You again you could not quote really characters or lines from those movies. Then it'll be King Kong and then Harry Potter will be the the most wellreceived of all the games. And the reason why is like Jersey Jack already has an advantage because its package is so much nicer than Sterns. A Jersey Jack game still looks twice as expensive as a Stern. It does. Like I I whenever you guys are like, you know, it's like guys just just on pure materials, quality of like everything. It just when you stand over a Jersey Jack machine and then you go look at a Sternle LE it's like going from a Bentley to um I don't know like a Hyundai like it literally like the JJP platform and package just embarrasses Stern. It just does. Uh Young Patrick JJ Playfields are now Bader. So I don't know who you are but you've been wrong twice. You were wrong on my Ethereum. Now you're wrong again on they're using baiters for the CE playfields. Elton John Playfields have had zero issues. Thank you, John. So like you're trash with your stridident incorrect information. Okay. Okay. So, if you want to come on here and say JJP playfields are still, you said still trash and there's been zero issues other than a little thing on the right side of Elton John by the shooter lane where I guess they you know, but you're wrong. What's up, buddy? You want to say hi? Come here. Come here. Come wave, Kill. Just come wave. It's good to have a good troll in here, you know, young Patrick trolling. I love it. Saturday morning, he's like, I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna go on Canadas YouTube. I'm going to troll him because I'll get a response. My Guns and Roses playfield is fine. It really is. It hasn't had any issues. I put the washers down. Game's got at least 600, 700 plays, probably more. Nothing's happened. And the only thing that happened in my G&R is uh some wires fell off of my upper right flipper, which is now causing the flipper um switch error for for the you know end of switch error on the flippers. But that's an easy fix. That's it. I had to adjust the those lock things on the upper guitar neck. Just Just angle them a little bit more. But that's it. I haven't had really any issues with guns or noses. No issues with the playfields. No issues with the game. None. And gang, look, it's a miracle playfield. I'm in my This is my bedroom. It's very minimalist. Franchie, you're going to love this. I have this amazing Batman artwork coming here. It's amazing. Wait. Do you see it? It's so fun. It's It's huge. It's like and I have like maybe another Batman piece coming here. But very minimalist, beautiful. Um very when you walk into this bedroom with the windows open, the sun coming in as you can see this beautiful king-size bed and this amazing mattress I got. Um this it's such a tranquil room to walk into. I I believe in minimalism in bedrooms. No TVs in a bedroom. This is a place where you come and you sleep. No nightstand. I don't snack. I don't snack. You're not supposed to. You're supposed to not eat like a few hours before for bed. Um, all right everybody. Let's see. You know, we might cut this one a little bit short today because I do have relatives visiting. So, we talked about barrels, how they might be doomed if it's doomed. Predator, Harry Potter. How's everybody feeling about Dungeons and Dragons? I think that Dungeons and Dragons is a is a really good game. Uh I think what's going to be interesting now about Dn D is is whether or not these like weekly updates that were a big part of the the reason to get the game if if they if it's rewarding or if it doesn't really feel much different. I think it's not going to feel much different. I I can't imagine every Sunday you're going to really feel like you've got like this all new adventure cuz I think what's at the end of those dungeon hallways is never going to radically be that different. No mirror on the ceiling. I'd take Doom Pinball over Dune. Yeah, most people would. Pinball nerds seem to be enjoying the DND insider connected. That's cool. It's a great shooting game. If you haven't shot D and D, I I think you're going to love it. I I think it it's a really good shooting game. I also love the the size of the dragon. I love the the just the the sheer sort of like world under glass feel you get from that game is really neat. Should we talk about Merlin's Arcade? I've had a good back and forth with Chris Turner. I'm going to get him on the show when I start doing interviews again. I was a little harsh. I won't lie. I was a little harsh. I just don't see a market for 5600 Merlin's arcade games. I I think that um games developed during the Deeproot period are always going to be a little tainted. Look, Raza is coming back. Raza is coming back. Uh Alice Wonderland review. Alice's Adventures. Yeah, I am shocked that nobody has reviewed the game yet. Um, why is Dutch radio silent about Back to the Future? Seemed like months ago they were ready to announce it and then something drastic happened. I want to answer that question that thing one just said. What do you mean they were? It seemed like months ago they were ready to announce it. They They were never ready to announce it. There was no plans to announce Back to the Future. Nothing is delayed. I'll tell you what did happen is Jersey Jack and Stern were in discussions with Barry to potentially make the game in partnership with one of them where they would have manufactured the game and Barry would have been more of a producer. those, from what I know, those deals are not happening. That Back to the Future will be a a developed and manufactured game by Dutch Pinball. So, that's that's what's going to happen. The foosball spinner, no money and no ability to make it. So Alice, um, uh, you know, look, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is going to be exactly kind of what there's going to be a little bit more added into it, but it's going to be the game you saw at Expo. It's a very simple game. It's much more like a '9s Bali Williams kind of game than it is a modern game with tons of depth. So it's it's that's what it is. That's what it always was marketed as and that's the game. So I I just I don't think you're going to see like Alice is, you know, flooding the market for sale. But I also don't think it's going to be like that hard to get. I think um if I was again a guessing man and Alice, what is it? 125 out of the box, you know. I think it'll settle around 10, you know. I think it's just it's just a beautiful game in a lineup. And I think for a lot of people, it's just it's more art than it is even pinball. It is both, but it's, you know, it's just stunning. I'll tell you why Raz is coming back. Why do you think Raz is coming back? Because it's fully developed. You know what I'm saying? It's fully developed and it needs some tweaking to make it better. Remove the pin bar. But you know, Raza comes back, they make less than 500 of them. He's going to sell everyone. It'll sell out day one. And remember, like the game is fully developed. Alice makes magic girl look like crap. simple. Well, so the clunkiness of Raz has been fixed. So, if you've saw the deeproot Raza, there were definitely clunky shots. There was like an inability to get up the ramp. Remember all that? All that's been fixed. sure. So someone just said it would take 3 to 5 years to make all the Back to the Futures. Who would wait that long? Um I I Canadas got the answer. Everybody. Everybody will wait that long. You wait two years for a Pulp Fiction single level game that doesn't have really much in it. Everybody will wait. Also, like, who says Barry is gonna make 5,000? What if Barry says we're only making 2500? I'm going to tell you this right now, and I mean this. If Dudge Pinball said, "We're making one edition of Back to the Future. We want to make 2,000 of them, and they're 20,000 each." Right? What is that? $4 million? Is that $40 million? Is it 40 million? I think it's 40 million. What's 20,000 time 2,000? I can't do the math. Bill, Wayne, you guys, who's got a calculator? 20,000 times, is it 40 million or 4 million? It's got to be 40 million. If he said, "We're making 2,000 and they're 20,000 each." Yeah, it's 40 mil. That's what I thought. Second time around, he'd sell everyone. Everyone because a Back to the Future in which there's only 2,000 ever being made in a modern game is worth the price of two stern premiums. So, if I'm Barry, if I'm Barry, I'm not making 5,000. We're making 2,000 of these. And then you make 88 super limited edition ones for 30,000. And guess what? You sell everyone. So, you make 2,88 games in total. You price the 88 SLE 10 grand over the other so that no one who bought the other one, you know, feels bad. Yes, in this economy thing, let me tell you something. You guys don't understand how many rich people there are. You have no idea how many people can throw 20, $30,000 if they really want something. We We tend to underestimate the amount of wealth in the world. I could buy it. I could buy it tomorrow. I've got three times that in my checking account. And not to give you guys, I'm not even that rich. I could easily go buy a $30,000 pinball machine. I mean, I don't think you should be into pinball buying new box if you can't easily buy pinball the the price of machines. So, I just don't think you guys understand what wealth is like and how many wealthy people there still are. You know, everyone's like in this economy in this what do you mean in this economy? What? Okay, maybe if you had Tesla stock, but if you had Netflix stock, you're the richest you've ever been. If you have Facebook stock, you're the richest you've ever been. If you bought Nvidia three years ago, you you don't even have to have this conversation on Earth. You could have the conversation on the moon. So, I I again, there's a market for a super high-end pinball. It just needs to be something insanely good. Now, do I want to spend 30,000 on a pen? No. I just I don't. Yeah, Hector. I mean, the thing about like watches though is like it's so easy to move watches around. All right, let me go get my charger. We're going to do this for 10 more minutes and then I'm going to go with the family. Hold on a second. Fun show today. Thanks for hanging out, guys. Bill, did you did you PayPal me that hundred bucks yet or what? Come on. Who wants to buy Brenda her sushi dinner tonight? Let's do this. For anyone who donate, for anyone who sends money to Canada PayPal, I will give you guys a private show just to you guys, I will get your email addresses and I'll send you your very own Canadas Pinball Podcast that no one else gets. We'll call it the Brenda Sushi Dinner Exclusive Spectacular brought to you by Christopher Franchie and Bug and Luke. I'll just start attributing it to people that aren't even don't even want to be a part of it. That's a that that's how you do a good troll move. Where is this? Not working. Hold on. Brought to you by people who don't want to bring it to you. Huh? Oh, there. This charge is not working. So, this computer might die. Let's see. I wonder if Brenda blew the switch. All right. Well, we got 10%. We got 9% battery life. Let's see if anyone donated. Let's see if it was Let's call out the winner's name. I love this stuff, guys. You know, this is all for fun, by the way. see. I don't want to knock. Let's Nothing. Nothing in the account. You sons of anyway. Okay, hold on a second. What is this? All right, let's go. Um, here's what I want to do. I want to share screen. Uh, and let's look at what's on pinside for sale right now for over over $14,000. Let's see. Let's see who's greedy. Let's see who wants. Let's see what people want. Let's see what the big items are. Save searches. Let's see. Where's the advanced advance events or Okay, here we go. $15,000. Let's do Let's do Let's do Okay, let's do works. I got to move this stupidness. [ __ ] All right. All right. All right. So, we've got a Kisslee with a stern topper. What was Kissle new? A A DMD game, right? Look at this. This is crazy. Kiss New I think was $77,000 for the LE7500. $16,000 for a game that was like easy to get when it came out. Remember, it was easy to get. 7500 maybe. Yeah, I'm not going to buy that. A Heep Theater of Magic Gold for 14 grand. Not going to buy that. AC/DC back in black. Yeah, definitely not buying that. Adam's Family Special Collector's Edition gold for 17 pending. Yeah, you know that happens sometimes. Let's see. Oh, you gotta love these guys with their um medieval madness. He dude, this is like, are you out of your effing mind? What? Like, let me go off on a little bit of a rant here. What idiot What idiot would pay $18,000 for a Medieval Madness Heep edition when the new one is like nicer in every single way? I I get that Hep remade the old games, but gang, who would pay 18,000? Like, I'm sorry, but the moment CGC remade Medieval Madness, brand new, everything's perfect, right? It's not Heep having to go in and like turn a 90s game back to new again. You can get it new again. For 125. Look at this James Bond Ellie. I mean, this this is this is a whole level of stupidity. This is why I I think the the markets become stupid because like it's just like all these jackass prices, none of these games are priced to sell. None of them. Like Toy Story CE opened. Opened is a $7,000. No, it's an $8,000 game, right? $8,000 game. So, you're going to ask for $6,000 more for the cardboard box? The moment you take that game out of the box, it's worth eight eight to n,000 at most. Beatles Diamond Edition, which nobody cares about. Oh, there's another Batman. The Batman Super is back up. This is where it just like this is where it's just like stupid. $37,000. I mean, I bought one two years ago for 25. $ 37,000. I mean, and you got to look at this guy's game. You got to look at this guy's game. He destroyed it. Like, he put so much tacky stuff in that game. If you click into that game and he I don't even know what he did to the front of Franchie. You got to look at that game. You should see what he did to the decals on the front of the game. He like changed the art. He like stuck other art or stickers over the front. He like it is the tackiest most hideous Batman super Ellie I've ever seen it. It is is a tragedy that he even like touched the game the way he did. You know these royal editions again. Stupid. Stupid. You think your game's worth $4,000 more? $4,500 more to the new one? Okay. I don't think so. Batman Ellies now for 18 stupid Stranger Things 15 stupid. These are all the dumb prices. I love it. I love just like I There is nothing priced to sell. There's nothing like like Tron Ali at 15 is like not a terrible thing to consider considering new and box like a thousand John Wick Elli 13. Again, the Stranger Things stupid because like the you never you don't want an old new and box game at a premium price. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm sorry, but the box becomes worth nothing. It's only a box should only have value when it's like a classic G.I. Joe or Transformer toy new in is still in mint and sealed box. But like it's so dumb to pay thousands of dollars for a box that is gonna like be worthless once you open it. I mean, I don't know. These Godzillaas are all going to this magic girl. This guy cannot sell this magic girl. Um I I don't I don't even understand. And is this I wonder if this game even has the fix. It's got to Let's the No, it doesn't. It It has This magic girl doesn't even have the fix put into it. um that okay so that that is just absolutely crazy that you would he's trying to sell this game without the without the upgraded stuff that is like at it's Bill he doesn't even have the fix put in the see what is this guy trying to sell all these Like, okay, so I don't know who this dude is. Does anyone know who Tron is in Charlotte, North Carolina? Clearly a guy with a lot of money, but this guy, man, look at this guy. Talk about a guy that's just getting out of the hobby. Centaur and Spirit, two old solid state games. He wants 19 for each. 19 for old solid state games. He thinks someone's going to pay $38,000 for two games. Pirates. Oh my gosh. I love I love looking at this gang because here's a Look at this. Our first Avatar CE. Yeah. 143. Keep it going. Keep going south. Keep going south. Big bang bar. Ridiculous. the these all these hep games popping up for sale. You know, I'm not surprised the hep games are popping up for sale. Uh because just funny. It's like there was another there was a Tron Ali for 15 and this guy's trying to sell it for 175. That's always my favorite is when people like just don't even look to see if there's another one for sale. Yes, Bill was on the millionaire matchmaker show. That is the Bill. He is beautiful man and he is a millionaire and I I'm proud to call him a friend. Um I love Bill Brandice. Okay, Metallic Remastered. I mean Shaw's less are like held stupid. It's like stupid. Just a Guardians Ali 16 firm. I hate I hate I kind of hate this hobby when I go when I do this too. Doesn't it make you just feel like we're just just all the bunch of a-holes everywhere? Like seriously, like when when did it just turn into this greedy a-hole market? We used to get a grand or two, gang. just to get a grand or two over, you know, on on a flip. We used to be happy just kind of making maybe the margin that a DRO made. Now it just turned into a-hole market. It's a-hole market. Is the Pinball Network gone? Is it? I heard it. I heard it was going away. I thought you just joined it, Albert. Did they they invited you to join the Pinball Network and then they shut it down. I don't know. I I just think like the delusion that that remains by so many people out there. I just need to find one buyer at $39,000 for my Batman SLE. Stupid. Um, everybody look, everybody look here's the deal. Lots of good stuff is coming. Don't pay these stupid prices. Don't even rush to buy anything new in box really anymore. I mean it like just don't don't it's more fun to hang out here. It's more fun to watch all these newbies run towards the new inbox and lose all their money. Like that's to me that's where the fun's at. It's where the fun is at last weekend. Um what did I do? I put I put $1,500 on Kentucky plus one and a half point in the first half of the game. And I hit and I cashed out and I gave it all to Brenda. That That's the kind of risk I'm willing to take. I'm like, I could either buy a stern topper or I'll do this, you know, 1,500 bucks, whatever. We'll see if we hit. Gave it all to Brenda. Brenda, here. Go buy yourself something. Now, Bill Brandes would he could do 15,000 or 150,000 and give it to Sabrina. That's the difference. The only difference between men of a lot of money and you know some money and no money like just different zeros in the things we can do. It doesn't make you any happier though. It probably does. It probably does. I mean let's let's be honest people. We'd all be happier if we had more money. Um all right HP. Yes. There's going to be a standard edition of Harry Potter and nothing's taken out of it. It's like nothing's going to be taken out of it. So that is definitely happening. My computer's about to die. So, I am going to say goodbye. Happy Saturday. Wishing everybody here and your families nothing but health and happiness. This hobby is amazing. It's brought us all together. You don't have to buy these expensive machines to feel connected to this amazing community. I encourage each and every one of you to find enjoyment in the machines you own and only buy any of these new machines. If you love it so much, you know, you're never going to want to get rid of it and you'll be much happier that way. Less is more as we get older. And there's no substitute for real real connection with people and experiences. These machines are just toys, right? They're fun, but man, I saw someone send me photos. He went to Tokyo with $15,000 instead of buying a Sternle LE or Jersey Jack. And he's like, "Chris, I had the most lifealtering trip. Thank you for suggesting I use my money that way. I suggest more of you get to Japan because you know what? Life is short and you're probably never going to go, but you're going to order these machines and have the almost the same experience you had over and over and over again." Trust me. Everybody be good. Canada out. Love you. Thank you subscribers. Canada pinball, Gmail, Patreon. Let's do it. Love you. Canada out.