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Kaneda's Pinball Podcast Saturday Morning Spectacular LIVE from Sicily July 11

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·analyzed·Jul 11, 2026
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TL;DR

Kaneda from Sicily critiques Stern LE pricing collapse and Sonic code depth while praising JJP

Summary

Kaneda streams from Sicily discussing pinball market dynamics, manufacturer trends, and game releases. Key topics: Stern's struggling Limited Edition strategy (Pokemon, Transformers (LE) losing value rapidly), Sonic the Hedgehog's code depth concerns despite unique layout, Jersey Jack's continued success post-Harry Potter, and speculation about upcoming titles from Barrels of Fun and others. Personal commentary on travel experiences and community appreciation.

Key Claims

  • Pokemon Limited Edition machines are now selling for $125 or less, down from $12,999+ MSRP

    high confidence · Kaneda, discussing secondary market pricing for Pokémon (Premium/LE) machines

  • Transformers (LE) playfield quality is poor and degrades quickly after a few hundred plays

    high confidence · Kaneda describing Transformers (LE) playfield as 'cratered dull golf ball crap like the surface of the moon'

  • Winchester machines are selling for $18,000-$20,000 on secondary market, up from $11,900 MSRP

    high confidence · Kaneda discussing Winchester secondary market appreciation, noting people who bought at launch can now sell for 8,500+ profit

  • Sonic the Sonic the Hedgehog has limited coded content and may suffer from repetitive gameplay after honeymoon period wears off

    high confidence · Kaneda recounting two-hour ball time with minimal variety, expressing concern about long-term replay value

  • Stern employee dissatisfaction is evident through layoffs, resignations, and designer departures (Jack Danger)

    medium confidence · Kaneda discussing internal Stern dynamics and citing Jack Danger unwillingness to design, Optimus removal

  • Barrels of Fun's next game after Muppets is likely SpongeBob, He-Man, or Big Trouble in Little China

    medium confidence · Kaneda speculating on David Van Es next title based on misdirection history and licensing relationships

  • Jersey Jack's next game after Sonic may be movie-based IP, possibly DC Universe related (Justice League/Superman rumors mentioned, Matrix/Top Gun denied)

    low confidence · Kaneda discussing Eric Miller follow-up to Harry Potter, noting only that it's 'movie based' and rumors exist

  • Sonic CE unlimited production is a mistake and won't replicate Harry Potter success model

    medium confidence · Kaneda asserting unlimited Sonic CE approach differs from Potter's scarcity-driven appeal

Notable Quotes

  • “Another Stern Ellie losing money right away. Another Stern Ellie... and this is the biggest IP in Stern history. Losing money, losing money, losing money.”

    Kaneda @ ~10:00 — Encapsulates his core thesis that Stern's Limited Edition pricing model has fundamentally broken, even with marquee IP

  • “You're spending 3,500 over the price of a premium to get nothing really exclusive other than artwork. And again, the art's just not enough to justify that much cost.”

    Kaneda @ ~11:30 — Identifies the core value proposition failure of Stern LE machines versus Premium versions

  • “The LE playfields on Transformers are garbage... you're going to buy a $13,000 Stern where the playfield's going to look like cratered dull golf ball crap like the surface of the moon in just a few hundred plays.”

    Kaneda @ ~12:00 — Quality control criticism suggesting manufacturing/durability issues beyond pricing problems

  • “People are literally getting 8,500 over what they spent on Winchester. And everybody could have ordered a Winchester within those first 40 days.”

    Kaneda @ ~16:00 — Contrasts Winchester's value retention success with Stern's LE failures, suggesting market preference for boutique over mass manufacturer

  • “I found a bigger idiot than me that paid $23,000 for my second Pokémon (Premium/LE). One of the greatest scalps in the history of scalping.”

    Kaneda @ ~22:00 — Personal anecdote demonstrating early secondary market peak for Pokemon, illustrating timing-dependent profits

  • “Sonic to me feels like a fun trip to nowhere where you're not really progressing... after a while you might feel like 'I've done this. I'm good.'”

    Kaneda @ ~35:00 — Expresses concern about Sonic's long-term engagement despite unique layout novelty

  • “I would rather have an Angela Lansbury Murder She Wrote Pinball Machine that was campy than Fallout.”

    Kaneda @ ~55:00 — Critique of Stern's Fallout IP choice and broader shift away from nostalgia-driven licensing toward recent IP

Entities

KanedapersonBrendapersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyBarrels of FuncompanyPokemongameTransformersgame

Signals

  • $

    market_signal: Stern Limited Edition machines (Pokemon, Transformers) experiencing severe value depreciation post-launch, with LEs trading at 1-2% of MSRP within months

    high · Pokemon LE down to $125 from $12,999; Transformers LE losing value rapidly; Kaneda cites secondary market data and personal trading experience

  • $

    market_signal: Limited production boutique machines (Winchester) experiencing significant secondary market appreciation and long-term value retention

    high · Winchester secondary market at $18,000-$20,000 (8,500+ profit for MSRP buyers); Kaneda personal scalp of Pokemon LE for $23,000; collector demand remains high

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern Transformers LE playfield quality issues reported; surfaces degrade rapidly after few hundred plays to poor condition

    medium · Kaneda describing playfield as 'cratered dull golf ball crap like the surface of the moon' after short play periods

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Sonic Hedgehog CE perceived as lacking sufficient coded content depth; concern about repetitive gameplay loop and limited variety despite unique mechanical layout

    high · Kaneda's two-hour single ball time with minimal variety; reported limited inserts for mini-wizard modes; comparison unfavorably to Harry Potter's deeper coding

  • ?

    product_concern: Early Sonic Hedgehog CE unit reported with loop-de-loop malfunction; ball only reaches halfway up ramp and hits sculpture

    low · Kaneda referencing Pinside forum post about new Sonic CE delivery with malfunction; acknowledges possible pitch calibration issue

Transcript

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2:14
Perfect. Number
2:47
[sighs]
2:47
[sighs] >> Bonj,
2:49
Bonj,
2:50
Bonj, how are we doing? All right, we are up on the hills of Tamina. How are we doing everybody? Happy Saturday morning. I think it's 10 a.m. there. Is it? Is it not?
3:12
Oh my gosh. Yeah, we have a Brenda's room. Forget it. Like we got Let's see. Infinity pool.
3:27

Stern's LE strategy no longer works; future Stern LEs (like Fallout) will struggle to hold value

medium confidence · Kaneda predicting Fallout LE will lose value, citing failed Pokemon/Transformers (LE) precedent

  • Sonic the Hedgehog has a reported issue with loop-de-loop not functioning properly in at least one machine

    low confidence · Kaneda citing Pinside forum post about new Sonic CE with loop-de-loop malfunction

  • “Jack said he had the Top Gun license. I know people would rather see a Michael Jackson pinball machine versus a Van Halen.”

    Kaneda @ ~65:00 — Discusses JJP licensing options and community preference signals for future game announcements

  • “Jersey Jack put this company on a new trajectory... I don't think Sonic is going to sell like Potter did.”

    Kaneda @ ~70:00 — Acknowledges JJP's trajectory change while tempering Sonic sales expectations compared to Potter benchmark

  • “I really don't understand why Jake Danzig has an issue with me... He doesn't even understand why. I've never directly insulted the guy.”

    Kaneda @ ~80:00 — Reflects interpersonal drama at Barrels of Fun/Pinball Expo regarding content creator relationships and event access

    • Sonic the Hedgehog
    game
    Harry Pottergame
    Winchestergame
    David Vanessperson
    [name withheld pending review]person
    Jack Dangerperson
    Eric Meunierperson
    Jake Danzigperson
    Brett Rubinperson
    Rob Burkeperson
    Pinball Expoevent
    Pinsideorganization
    Van Halengame
    Falloutgame
    Gooniesgame
    Back to the Futuregame
    Labyrinthgame
    Muppetsgame
  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jack Danger reported as unwilling to design further Stern pinball games; cited as evidence of internal employee dissatisfaction

    medium · Kaneda citing Jack Danger's departure from design as symptom of broader Stern morale problems under Seth Stein leadership

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern experiencing layoffs, resignations, and talent departures; internal dissatisfaction evident regarding company direction and decision-making

    medium · Kaneda discussing employee dissatisfaction, citing layoffs, Jack Danger departure, and questioning of leadership decisions by Seth Stein

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern's Limited Edition pricing strategy (3,500+ over Premium for exclusive artwork and toppers) no longer sustainable; market rejecting premium LE positioning

    high · Multiple Stern LE machines (Pokemon, Transformers) failing to retain value; Kaneda analyzing $3,500 LE premium with insufficient value differentiation

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Boutique manufacturers (Barrels of Fun, Jersey Jack) outperforming Stern in product quality, value retention, and market perception; Stern perceived as 'cheap' by comparison

    high · Kaneda stating 'Sterns look cheap next to everything' and contrasting Winchester's success with Stern LE failures; JJP's Harry Potter commercial success

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Barrels of Fun's next game after Muppets speculated as SpongeBob, He-Man, Big Trouble in Little China, or Henson/Labyrinth-related title based on licensing relationships

    medium · Kaneda discussing David Vaness's misdirection history and Henson Studios connections; SpongeBob and He-Man rumored as possibilities

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Jersey Jack's next game after Sonic Hedgehog rumored as DC Universe IP (Justice League/Superman); Matrix and Top Gun rumors denied by Kaneda

    low · Kaneda speculating on Eric Minor's follow-up title; denies Matrix/Top Gun, mentions Justice League/Superman possibilities without confirmation

  • ?

    industry_signal: Content creator access restrictions to Pinball Expo allegedly due to interpersonal conflicts with Barrels of Fun management (Jake Danzig); unclear sourcing of claims

    low · Kaneda discussing potential Expo access issues, expressing frustration with Jake Danzig and Rob Burke; claims disputes are unfounded but details remain unclear

    • Get the neighbors out. Let's talk some pinball. It is 10:00 a.m., right? Am I correct in in saying that? Because um we just checked in here. We've had an amazing Italian trip so far. Ah, it's been so relaxing and so nice. Um, haven't really thought much about pinball, but I did read pinsside for the last like half hour just to see what what was happening. Not much is happening in the world of pinball other than the wait for Transformers Ellie. We're going to talk about that. Um, we've got I might might move over there because I don't want to be too loud for it.
    4:09
    And we've got the um the wait for Pokemon code. We've got Sonic the Hedgehog CE shipping to people
    4:19
    espressos. Bissimo, my people, the language. It's so beautiful. Perfecto.
    4:30
    Oh my gosh. How's everybody doing over there? How's the How's the work week going? We're um we're not working this week. We're um we're we're this definitely feels like holiday. This is the first holiday we've had in about five years since Killian where we really had no kids, no worries. Retro Ralph has apparel. Ah, does Retro Ralph have apparel now? Is that Or is it Oh, does it say Ralph on it? Ralph Lauren. Yeah. No, they got no cargo shorts in this outfit.
    5:23
    Yeah, we needed this. Um, we needed to have a trip just amongst ourselves. Brenda is sunbathing. Let me see if I can uh see if she'll let me show you where she's at. Hold on. This room is amazing. Let's take a look. So, we got
    5:42
    then we got the bedroom out. No pinball machine in here, but you looking at that view, which is spectacular. I won't show you Brenda. She's in her bathing suit looking mighty fine, I might add. This door is There we go. I'm doing my live, babe. You want to say hi? Face up. Where? There she There she is. >> She's got her bathing suit on. We got
    6:12
    She's got her bathing suit on. We got
    6:12
    She's got her bathing suit on. We got our little private pool area. Uh oh, Brendon, no one's up there. You know what that means? We're going to be talking pinball intimately. [laughter] [sighs and gasps] She's going to show me her Italian bottom. [laughter] Irish bottom. Irish bottom. Okay. Irish bottom is a
    6:36
    Okay, then we got to watch World Cup later. But it's good. This is good. It's a nice room. Brenda. Brenda, I'll tell you this. Brenda has amazing taste in how to spend my money. I'll tell you that. [snorts] Um, we're going to go back out here
    6:55
    and I don't want to be too disruptive to other hotel guests. I'm going to go in the infinity pool later, but I do like that we've got our own pool up here. But this was this was the point of of being All right, there's people out here. I'm going to go.
    7:12
    All right. Okay. How much is Oh, come on, Fizzy. Fizzy, your mama didn't raise you right. You never ask what things cost. That That's rule number one. Come on, Fizzy. You're better than that. We know you, brother. The live went out.
    7:45
    Are we still live? You guys good? All
    7:45
    Are we still live? You guys good? All right, we're good. All right. I don't know what this is talking about. All right.
    7:56
    Oh man, >> feels good to be on vacation. Okay, >> because I can't talk about Pinball in an
    8:23
    because I can't talk about Pinball in an
    8:23
    because I can't talk about Pinball in an animated way. You guys saw the background. I just don't want to be loud at like other hotel guests. You know, the last thing you want on vacation is to hear, you know, like a dude talking about pinball. We'll go back out in a little bit, but I'm a little chair here. Not the not the same view, but we'll go back. Coloring in here is better, but show the pool.
    8:54
    You missed the room tour. Busy. We'll do the the quick. So, you sleep overlooking Taramine. A little 8:30 dinner. We got some World Cup. We got Brenda out here. We're going to go back out here. We got our little our little pool, but then we got an infinity pool downstairs. But, you know, when you when you got your own personal pool, you know, you know, do you really go with the pool that everybody else is using? I don't know.
    9:33
    Okay, let's uh let's get a little bit of a nicer view. Let's bring this chair around here.
    9:43
    We can get you some more the table a little bit where Okay, that's that's that's a good view. I got a I got a great Italian tan going on with the Italian sun. Um, all right. So, I've been I've been reading up about what's been going on in our hobby of pinball, and I want to say that I'm very uh very curious to see where everything that's out in our in our pinball space over the next few months because Sonic the Hedgehogs are starting to arrive with customers, which is good. There was a little bit of a holdup. I think they were waiting on lens or approval, but I'm seeing that CES are now arriving in customer homes. Uh, which means we're going to get more reviews. We're going to get more feedback from people that have bought the game. And I think it's going to be an interesting journey with Sonic. I've said it from the very get-go. I got a lot of really good feedback on sort of like my review of Sonic. I think it was very fair. It was very balanced. And I think a lot of people are very just, you know, again, like very curious to play this game. I still think the game is still very early on in terms of feeling like there's a lot of variety in the game and you know whether or not they're going to code in a lot more moments of wow in this game is sort of a little bit yet to be determined. Uh but we will see. I'm going to go to Patreon real quick and just let everybody know that we are live on Saturday morning on YouTube. Let me just do this. I think I can also just This is funny. I think I can just go live here as well. And I don't think it's going to matter. So, we're live now on Patreon and on YouTube. See if it messes the mic up or not. Let me know if you can still hear me on YouTube. So, we're we're on YouTube and we're on Patreon. But I just encourage everybody to go over to YouTube where we normally do this. See, people are joining Patreon right now. Does it sound all right on Patreon? Is everything okay?
    11:59
    All right. You guys hear me? Okay. Here. Okay. Are we Did it or did it mess up the sound? Let me know. Thumbs up. Sounds great. All right. Good.
    12:13
    H man. If you guys are on Patreon right now, there's 11 people on Patreon. We're also we're also over at um YouTube. I'll show you guys real quick the uh the Patreon. Guys, I haven't seen the view yet. Okay, are we ready? Are we doing this? And I that I'll stop showing you guys the view, but Brenda picked top of tamine.
    12:45
    Brenda.
    12:45
    Brenda. Brenda. Oh, there's Brenda. Sit. Little private pool. Sexy Irish wife.
    12:58
    You really have to be happily married to enjoy life. You know, people pick the Too many people pick the wrong partners. I I got lucky. She's amazing. She picks incredible hotels that I I have to then pay for, but you know what? It's worth it. All right, it is Tamina. All right, so we are going to go I'm going back to YouTube. I got both of these open. Um gang, let's talk Pokemon. Let's let's go down. Let's start with Pokemon. I think people's patience with the game. Every week that goes by, Pokemon gets less and less uh uh exciting to talk about. I have to be candid. The Ellies are now 13 on the on the table, maybe less. I think opened Ellies are now 125 or less. So, another Stern Ellie losing money right away. Another Stern Ellie. and and this is the biggest IP in Stern history. Losing money, losing money, losing money. Stern lees are basically just not worth buying new inbox. Maybe ever again. I don't even think Fallout's going to hold to be honest. I just don't their model doesn't work anymore. I mean, because think about it, like you're spending 3,000 over a premium, more than that. 3500 over the price of a premium to get nothing really exclusive other than artwork. And again, like the art's just not enough to justify that much cost. And not only that, you're not getting exclusive toppers. You're not getting you're not getting radcal artwork. You're not getting like nice looking cabinet artwork. And here's the other major issue that is the elephant in the room. The LE playfields on Transformers are garbage. I mean like the playfield quality itself. So it's like not even it's it's it's not even the fact that like it's 13. It's like you're going to buy a $13,000 stern where the playfield's going to look like cratered dull golf ball crap like the surface of the moon in just like a few hundred plays. And that's a huge problem for Stern Pinball. For those of you who are on Patreon, just also know that we are over on YouTube as well. Just want to let you guys know. I'm reading more of the comments from YouTube. But I I just think Stern Ali is like, you know what? Like I think everybody's kind of just like I I don't know, man. Like you everyone's kicking themselves. They didn't just buy a Winchester for 119. Those games are selling for 20 now. People are getting 20 on the table. So that's insane. Like people are literally getting 8500 over what they spent on Winchester. And everybody could have ordered a Winchester that I know within those first 40. I didn't even I should have just got one. Now with it's you know I I do feel happy for David. But I als you know I don't like the reserve program at all. I think he's trying to he's trying to do two things now at once. He's trying to create like Winchester demand on day one while he moves the goalposts on day two. Not even day two. He's giving himself a week long period of time to open up the order banks for the reserve members. It's all BS. He's just going to say that he got this many more orders and he's he's just going to be able to it's going to be David Vaness saying like, "We're only making 500. Now we're making 800. Now we're making a thousand." Like, it's just stupid. It's stupid because the original owners are are are going to get like left holding the bag.
    16:47
    Yeah. So, I look, I think it's even like a lot of people are probably waiting, you know, even on the sidelines at Sonic right now. I mean there there you couldn't tell me a compelling reason why you would want to go in early full price on games that are not code complete on games that are unlimited and games that are all going to lose value. [laughter] Like do you need to own it right away? Like the only compelling reason to buy any of these games would be to if you're an operator, just get the pro edition and make some money. I I think these dudes who bought Transformers less are going to be so bummed out when they see the crappy quality of the playfield. I think the I don't know. I think TransformersL going to be like forgotten in in like a month. I do. I just think it's the fact that Optimus doesn't transform is going to be the it's just going to never it's never going to overcome it. I just I think that's the you know the we're all waiting for the next big banger. I like I think Goonies is going to be I think Goonies and Back to the Future are going to be the two games that really you know sort of like wow everybody. Look, I think there's big expectations for the next Barrels of Fun game when so is Dune. I think Barrel's Spooky and JJ. The problem I I see with all Sterns moving forward basically is that Sterns just look cheap next to everything. So when you when you when you compound the cheapness of their platform with the fact that they don't give you anything really exclusively with the topper and you know rad cows and unique modes or sculpts like it's just it's just you're you look at their games now you're like man like only an idiot would spend this much money day one on a stern. I was one of those idiots. Now, luckily for me, I found a bigger idiot than me that paid $23,000 for my second Pokemon le. One of the greatest scalps in the history of scalping. I I I I time the market right on that one. A lot of you guys, all like everyone who's like got their Pokemon le for sale right now easily could have got 5,000 over if they had moved right away. They just didn't. I I don't know what they were waiting for. Think about like the level of like greed you like making $5,000 for doing nothing wasn't good enough. So you held and you held and and now you're making nothing. Now you're making nothing like 13 new in bucks. You you you lost everything now. Literally Cano Cana made 10 grand. You you know don't sleep on that Sonic. I [snorts] don't know man. Like I I like I as I keep saying about Sonic, I think it's going to be one of the most polarizing games uh that people jump on and play. And you know, because I look, I think when the initial sort of honeymoon of the the uniqueness of the layout wears off on Sonic, I am curious if it's going to have enough coding replay value for people. That That is it. That's it.
    20:18
    Kelly just said it like it is it does feel like a a fun trip to nowhere where you're not really progressing. Everything feels all the levels feel the same like they're like looping video game footage from the different Sonic Generations game, but like that it doesn't feel like you're really getting anywhere. And then the Eggman battles are just all very similar. I'm just saying like after a while you might feel like I've done this. I'm good. I want to get on a game that makes me feel like I'm kind of achieving more and that is more fulfilling.
    20:55
    Um well, Billy Boy, I think it's a smart time to sell Winchester. I don't disagree that Winchester will not stay at 20. No. Um, I think Winchester's novelty will also wear off. But I but it but the thing about Winchester that's fun is owning one is like is like you're you're like part of a a unique cult that like not a lot of people will ever have that game. The music in it is insanely good. The uniqueness of the game is without a doubt. And so like I don't know like for most modern pinball collectors that want to have something different in their collection, you got to think about it like that. Like Winchester only 525 ever for the entire world of pinball collectors. You can see why, you know what I'm saying? why it's so um you know expensive to to grab one now because if you sell one you're not getting one back for less than like 18 to 20k.
    22:03
    Yeah, I I made 6K. Now, you know, look, as someone who's traveling throughout Italy and spending money on hotel rooms and dinners and, you know, bought Brenda something at Fendi, I'll tell you where how much $6,000 gets you in this world. Not not very far anymore. And experiences are everything. I I we we the cliche is true. Everybody knows this, but it really is everything. I mean, I I see people who who don't travel much, who have so much money tied up in pinball machines, and I'm like, man, go see the world. Like, go. How's the pool, Brenda? >> Perfecto.
    22:40
    Perfecto.
    22:40
    Perfecto. >> Perfecto. Well, maybe Sonic will just be a game you play every now and then and have fun. You know what? I'm But like that's what Pokemon is.
    22:59
    I don't know, man. I I don't I don't think that's enough. I don't think that's enough. I think JJP is an interesting company because they've sort of built a following of people that love deep complex even, but like robust code. Like that's Jersey Jack's like fan base. Like these guys are used to having like a lot coded in. I don't think the Jersey Jack fanboys want like surface level repetition. That's not what they're about. So, I I I do think it's going to be interesting to see if Jersey Jack can appease its its fandom with the way they code Sonic. And this is all to be determined, by the way. But I can tell you as someone who was opening a coin door for for two hours playing the game, like I I I had the single longest Sonic ball time ever. It's two hours long. There's not a lot in the game. It is It is very like go to this level, battle Eggman, go to this level, battle Eggman, try to collect all the emeralds, which is almost impossible. And I wasn't even able to do it by cheating. So, I just worry that I But you can see the inserts for the mini wizards modes. I don't think any of that's really much. I don't think most of that is even in there now. So, we'll see what happens.
    24:22
    But, you know, it's it's just it's funny to me that anyone would even pull the trigger right away knowing what's coming down the pipeline. I think Goonies and um Goonies and Back to the Future is going to be what everybody talks about because when those games hit, I think in in November, October, November, um think about it like when those games are hitting, thank you Fizzy for the $2. Like, man, we could use all the money for this trip. Like the taxi from the airport to the hotel was €250. Just the taxi. The taxi from the hotel to the airport in um we were in in in Tuscanyany in beautiful little town called um Volterra. Volater where they shot twilight a lot of twilight scenes. Beautiful like pretty much middle nowhere town. It's an older town than um than Rome. Thank you, Space Ace8. And then look at Pete Rosen. Pete Rosen with 200 bucks. Brenda just paid for the taxi. Pete, thank you so much. You guys are insane, by the way. Like, I literally The reason why I love this community so much is is how generous and awesome all of you guys are. Like, you're very you're you're beautiful people. Pete, you're amazing. like you are like some of the most amazing people and and you know I have missed doing my podcasts. I've missed the connection to this community because it's incredible like I really you know I hate to say it like I I deeper weekly connections with you than than even like most co-workers or clients even because of like how engaged we are in this hobby. So, I I really do appreciate um each and every one of you. And you know, I looked at the Patreon and and you know, most people are still there and no one's like no one you guys are chatting on Patreon. I I just go over to YouTube. You guys are on here right now chatting and I'm like I'm like reading. We've got um we've got some of our Patreon guys here. Let me show you guys the view again because I don't think everyone here has seen it yet.
    26:40
    Yeah, I'm not out there now because I want to disrupt um other hotel guests that are next to us because
    26:49
    here we go. Wow. Oh my god. Brenda, wave, what's your book? Girl alive. When is she ran? I don't know.
    27:29
    No pinball, no Italian bottoms, just Irish bottoms. And then we got the bed here. So you wake up looking out over that beautiful hotel on top. So we're like away from all the tourists. If we want to go into the village, we can go down to the village. Um we had one of the most amazing meals in Rome. We ate at the Waldo Ftoria. Brenda got the three Michelin star dinner. Damn, Brenda. Damn. Oh. All right. What do we got here?
    28:08
    You just saved me 20K. Um, so here's here's the I want to go around the pinball horn on on this episode of the Saturday Morning Spectacular. Let's we covered off on Stern. I do I do agree that I think Stern is in big trouble. I think their product is not up to the standard that the other companies are delivering on. I also think what's happened at Stern and you can see it. I think the employee dissatisfaction with where Seth has steered the company is it's like impossible to ignore through layoffs and resignations. Jack Danger not wanting to design anymore, yanking out Optimus, screwing over Elliot again on a game. Like sales, Transformers sales are in the gutter. like they are like, you know, it's like these are all Seth's decisions and I think Seth like would rather sell through Costco even than through, you know, make the next Godzilla. Like I don't know what they're doing, but the like reality is no one seems extremely happy over there. They hired a new designer. Who' they hire?
    29:33
    I mean, I'm just cur I didn't hear that Stern hired a new designer. I I I don't know. I know that um American Pinball is looking to hire a junior designer. So, Stern to me is like whatever. you know, they're going to we're going to get Elwin Fallout, which I think is going to be cool, but I again, I don't think most people want to own the Amazon Fallout TV show and spend this kind of money on it. So, that's going to be an issue and they're not going to realize why that we're not like that's not we don't have nostalgia for that. The show's fine, but season two kind of sucks compared to season one. Season one was fun because it it it it had so much more intrigue and season two of Fallout just kind of I don't know, it just kind of got boring. I I didn't I don't think I finished it. Like I I was like kind of over it. [snorts] I I mean this when I say this, I would rather have and and kill me if I'm wrong and like David Vaness if you're listening. I would rather have and own and enjoy and it would put more of a smile on my face. I can't believe I'm going to say this. I would rather have an Angela Lansbury murder. She wrote Pinball Machine that was campy kind of like Winchester than Fallout and that theme song going and you know each and you pick like the 20 best episodes and you Murder She Wrote. I would ra I mean it when I say it. I just I would rather have that.
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    Um, it sounds like it's not just the decisions. Their operation is just too big. Yeah. Well, look, I I don't know what to tell anyway. So, Stern and me kind of getting boring to talk about. Kind of getting boring. All right. Let's go on to We're going to go We're going to cover everybody. All right, let's let's go next to Jersey Jack, which we know is Sonic. Again, we just we talked a lot about it already, so I'm not going to go down the same road again. I think the next month for Sonic is going to determine a lot on whether people pull the trigger. I still think a I think the unlimited nature of Sonic CE is is is a mistake. I do I I I don't think you can play the Harry Potter card on every pin moving forward. It's not going to work on Van Halen, which I believe is next. It's not gonna work. Like Potter is just a unique and Potter just we all know this. If you play Potter after playing Sonic, Potter still is more instantly gratifying and more rewarding to shoot, I think, than Sonic. I think there's way more interesting shots and ball paths happening in Potter versus Sonic. I do. Sonic to me feels like two like a game on top of a game, but none of it feels nearly as interesting or like magical in terms of the trajectory of the ball like Potter. And I hope that um the final Sonic builds are all good because I was just reading on Pinside [snorts] that a brand new Sonic CE was delivered and the guy's loop-de-loop is not working right. the ball is only going halfway up and falling down and hitting one of the sculpts. So, I don't know if he has the pitch right on his machine, but the one I played was fine. So, yeah, it might just be something that happened with his build. Then, we're going to get Van Halen, which I just I worry about it. Which Van Halen? Is it going to be David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar? Is it going to be just one or the other? I don't know. I don't know. I I just music pins in me. I'm kind of like divorced of wanting more music pins. You know my feeling. I would rather have Broadway musicals than than like another dad rock music pin. I think Broadway musicals because there's a storyline and a narrative to me is such an untapped. And it's not just Broadway musicals like Lion King. Well, that is a Broadway musical too. Lion King, you know, Moon Rouge, like Phantom of the Opera, Cats, like, you know, just Sunset Boulevard, like whatever. Like, I think the lay miz, right? The amount of potential to sell one of the most iconic Broadway shows as a as a pinball machine would work. I guarantee you if someone made Angeloid Webers, now I know there's an old Phantom game, but if you made Angeloid Webers, Phantom of the Opera, it would crush as a pinball machine. Are you hearing me, Jersey Jack? Imagine the candalabbras coming up and music of the night going with the twinkles and the light like the lighting alone of like
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    you know have the chandelier on the topper. I'm telling you I'm telling you it has everything Phantom. It has horror. It has like you know it has mis mystery. It has sort of this beautiful romantic renaissance sort of opera house vi like it's just
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    anyway. Anyway, you know what? What what what do I know about marketing and what people would buy? I'm telling you they would buy it.
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    Um the Okay, so Van Halen and after that Eric Miners up his followup to Harry Potter and Eric's next game is your guess is as good as mine. We we heard Justice League, we heard Superman something maybe in the DC universe. I know that it's movie based. All the rumors are on Matrix I don't think are true. I don't think it's Matrix or Top Gun. Um, but Jack said he had the Top Gun license. I know people would rather see a Michael Jackson pinball machine versus a Van Halen. Jersey Jack potentially has that license, but I do think we're going to see another Jersey Jack game this year. I don't think Sonic is gonna July, August, September, October. I I don't think Sonic can like is gonna I it's not going to sell like Potter did. I I don't think, you know, after 6 months, four months, I think Sonic sales are going to be like over. I think they're going to have to move on to the next. So, we will see. But that being said, I think people are are very happy with where Jersey Jack's at. I think their offering um has bring has br joy. I think they've improved tremendously from from titles like Toy Story 4 and Godfather. I think Potter put this company like, you know, on a new trajectory and and and the sales, you know, speak for it. I I do think Sonic is going to be much weaker sales than Potter, but I don't think they were expecting it to do as well as Potter. All right, what else is going on in the world? Uh, so we got JJP.
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    you know, remaking pirates would always be an interesting thing for Georgia Jack to just make like if they just made they they could make 1,000 more pirates and charge like 20 grand and probably sell them all with like the Black Pearl edition. Um, all right. Should we go to Barrels of Fun? Muppets, Barrels of Fun, David Vaness's Pinball at the Sea. I'm surprised how many people I've spoken to. Maybe it's not that many, but people that I know are actually booking uh the a trip on the sea.
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    I I don't know if that is somewhere I will end up, but I probably not. So, the dune toppers is interesting. So, he hasn't shown those yet. Those were promised to people in um they were promised in August. So that's like in a few weeks. So I don't know. I don't I don't really you know Barrel's Barrels's next game though is going to be shown at Expo. I never heard back from Rob Burke. I don't I don't know if anyone asked Jake Danzig like is he able to like bury the hatchet. I I I don't know. I don't know my status on going to Pinball Expo, nor have I really thought about it once since I've been in Italy. I don't really care. Like I, you know me, I'm not into any drama around this show. When I've gone to when I've gone to expo, it's been fine. I really don't understand. But, you know, I've asked mutual know Jake Danig like Jake like what's up? Like what's the issue with G? Like he he doesn't even understand why. I've never directly I I I don't know like insulted the guy or like I've never said anything disparaging about his hockey league game. Like I I I don't get it. Like he's trying to sell product. Like it's beneficial to you know to be nice to the content creators. But who knows? Who knows man? Like I don't know what floats people's boats and why they wake up with grudges. But, you know, I'm dealing with way more serious issues in my life, let alone like whether or not I make it to Expo. I could I could care less to be honest. Um, and I love that Rob immediately like starts out by banning me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's like, "Yeah, you're banned." Like, but let me look into it. Like, you know, I like I I I don't really care to engage. And Rob is still bringing up like he just starts making stuff up. He's like, "Well, Jersey Jack doesn't want you there." It's like, "Well, I'm friends with Brett Abbis. find that hard to believe. I just had dinner with him. Like, are you sure it's that? Like, I don't mean I had dinner with him recently, but that's the last he said that last time. And then like, you know, he just starts saying things. I'm like, dude, none of this is like it's just Jake. Like, let's just call it what it is. And I know like poor Rob doesn't even want the drama. Like, it he didn't create this. Like, it it came to his door.
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    Um, but barrels of fun next game, right? We've got the Spongebob rumor. We got the He-Man rumor. Um, I do think it's one of those. And I also think they're good at misdirecting us. I do think Big Trouble in Little China is a possibility still. I mean, people forget the fact that David hired the man who made the homebrew. He told me once that, you know, I think you can get the the assets from the film, but you can't get new stuff from Kurt. Maybe maybe Kurt's like eased up on that. I don't know. You know, people want the Muppets. Muppets is something that Jersey Jack used to have, but knowing that David made Labyrinth and Henson Studios is connected to barrels, that that is absolutely a possibility. There's a lot there's a lot of um there's a lot riding on these boutiques getting it right. What about Goonies? You said a while back. Um well, look, it's not exclusive. Neither is Transformers. Most of none of these deals are exclusive deals for the most part. I I think people fail to like you know they they might license it to somebody else but
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    you've been saying well people have been saying never ending story forever Kelly I don't think it's that I think it may have been that a couple years ago Kelly I think David might have heard all the sort of complaining about that theme and I think he I think he might have like shelved it.
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    How would Dark Crystal sound? No, I don't. No one even knows what that is. Dark Crystal. Jeez, Dave Sanders, man. Like, what what has anyone even heard of what Dark Crystal is? I don't even know what that is, bro. Like, and I I I'm pretty familiar with most like IPs and stuff out there in the world. Like, so Dark Crystal is huge. [snorts] Where? N Dark Crystal is a is huge. 1982.
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    Um, yeah, gang. Not huge. Not huge. I I get that it's Hansen, but it's not huge. Like, Fraggle Rock is way bigger than Dark Crystal. I've never heard of Dark Crystal. Let me let me look it up right now. Is it a movie? [snorts] Hold on. Dark Crystal.
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    All right. 1982. Oh my god. Yeah. Okay. Now I looking at it I remember this.
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    Oh my god. This this is not a huge movie. Let's do this. Dark Crystal box office numbers office earnings
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    I mean, I don't know. I get I I I've seen it before, but it's not huge,
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    but not not a good choice for pinball, though. And it's definitely not a theme everybody's heard. So, I I I don't know. I wouldn't go Dark Crystal.
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    Um, yeah, it's it is in that labyrinth realm of like at least Labyrinth had Jennifer Connelly to look at when we were young boys. But, um, all right. So, barrels, I think it's going to be Spongebob or He-Man. Probably one or the other or or Big Trouble. Those are my guesses.
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    Um, and yeah, I think we're going to see the next barrels by the time we get to um, Expo. So, it's going to be a crazy expo again. You're going to you're going to see new games from maybe JJP, Spooky, Stern, um, and Barrels. I don't think you're going to see anything new from American just yet. Let's talk. Let's switch gears to American Pinball, by the way. So, you're gonna see [snorts] Circus Voltater any I I don't think they've revealed it yet, right? But I think Circus Voltater is going to be pretty cool looking. It's, you know, and that's kind of it. There's nothing else to really talk about at American just yet. I think they're um you know the the game that Melbourne's working on the license game is is a year away. So you're going to see more I think uh sort of remakes and new versions of Galactic Tank Force and all you know just kind of cleaning out the closet if you will is going to be American Pinballs year one. Uh I like the dudes over there. I like Brian. I like Melvin. Melvin's a great friend. Brian's a really cool dude. I think there is um there's yeah AP is going to do new stuff but it's just not you know they've gotta they got to get rid of all the existing inventory of parts which is what they're doing now and they're going to make some remakes you know Rick at Planetary will will basically whoever will make his game Rick waited too long to get a lot of these games uh to market let's speaking of because let's switch gears now and go to Padreddi and the remake of Tales of the Arabian Knights. Now, here's the thing. Uh, and you know me, I call like it is. Funhouse quality was crap. I think that the Tales of the Arabian Knights remake is is showing much better than Funhouse ever did. I think the quality looks better and I think because of that uh the feedback to this new Tales remake is positive. See there there's like this weird like I'm not rooting for anybody to fail. Like if you make this game and the quality is crap, I'm going to call it as I see it. And I think the response to Todden is tot I don't know how you're supposed to say it. Um is much better. I think people's response to the animations, to the quality, to the colors, to the look, I mean, the game is loaded. The thing that will always be the, you know, for some people that like simpler games that they can get through, um, I think they'll appreciate it. I I found the game to be utterly boring after owning it, but maybe the 2.0 code will make that not the case. Um, and maybe the new screen and the new stuff will will be exciting. Are the 399 sold out? Um, I don't know. I don't know.
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    Um, I think that they will sell through. I think that more people are going to want the new version versus the old version. But I, you know, again, like it's one of these things where like like no harm, no foul. Like, you know, they remade Todd, they brought it back. I, you know, Brian Allen artwork. Some some elements of it I like, others I don't. Like I It looks fine. It looks cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like the mechs are were always awesome in that game, but it was a shallow game and and you know, so I I don't know, man. Like it's like if you wanted a toteen and he didn't want to wait for one to pop up that was restored for 12, like here's your chance. Like that's kind of how I look at this game. No one will care. You know, it's not going to light the community on fire. It's not going to create a lot of new conversation. It's not going to go up in value. It's not like it's just not. It'll it'll be it. for someone that wants to experience this game at home and doesn't want to wait for an old version to pop up. That's what it's for. But this is not going to be like, oh, you have one of the 399 Toaden like limited edition versions of No, it's not. It's not going to be like that. Like, get it if you really love this game and you again, you don't want to buy the original, but that's my feeling on it. So Padretti after this it's going to get interesting. So CGC's Let's go to CGC now because after this Padretti I don't know what's next for them. Like I I don't know. Let's let's let's go to CGC. So like CGC keep hearing the rumors about Halo. Mark Richie's Halo. Been hearing that forever. And also the Twilight Zone remake is coming from CGC sometime soon. You see, gang, doesn't it start to get a little ridiculous? Look how many games we've covered off on. I haven't even got I didn't even talk about like, you know, AC/DC's coming back and so is go James Bond and so is like Brian Edd's Dracula. Like, there's too much already, right? There's too much already. You guys all own too many games already. You all have too many amazing pinball machines already. And all this stuff is getting shoved into the pinball marketplace at, you know, a at a lot of like they want a lot of money for these games. It it it is it's just you can see what's going to happen. It's already happening. Stern, See, the thing is like Stern's going to be the first one that goes off the cliff because they have the most overhead every month and like they they can't they can't find new buyers to fill the demand they need for that factory size. And when they what's weird is like one day Stern will go away like they will and then all Stern games will become worth so much money because they it's this weird thing once you can't get them anymore then they're going to go through the roof in value because they're still you know most of them are they still make some incredible games. Um, but CGC, Twilight Zone, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know. Do they change the artwork on it? I don't know. I I don't know what uh I don't I don't see like Tri Zone is like Pat Lawler would always say, it's like the the result of when you get a blank check and you put everything you can into a pinball machine, you end up with Twilight Zone. I I don't know. Feels like a nightmare to make that game nowadays. CGC quality's kind of gone downhill from what it used to be, but man, it's still CGC remakes. Like, they've got a lot of they got a strong pedigree with people being very happy with the remakes that CGC has put out in the world. So, I um
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    yeah, but again, there's just so much new stuff. Um Pinball Hans said CGC quality hasn't gone down. Hans, man, I literally disagree with you because I've seen them ship to customers. What game was it when they did the Medieval Madness, the new one? There's like Bondo, bro, underneath the cabinets that they didn't even sand down. Like, how did that pass anyone's inspection? So, Hans, man, you got to go look at the threads, man. I'm always in the threads. Uh they they they had some really like questionable things they were shipping to customers. Well, I look again, I mean this was after Pulp Fiction. This is when they were rerunning Merlin edition of Medieval Madness is when quality started to go downhill.
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    Well, you know, not there's nothing to break in Pulp Fiction because there's nothing in Pulp Fiction. You know, you remember, you got to remember that, Hans, when there's nothing to break in a game, Pulp Fiction's just a bunch of switches. Okay, man. That's a game we don't really talk about much, man. I like really like I don't know. Like, I feel like the Remember the Pulp Fiction hype? Remember like I I sold my Pulp Fiction for like 2 3,000 over Sticker when when I got a spot. You don't hear anybody talking about spending over for a Pulp Fiction anymore. It was like way, you know, that and part part of it was like the fact that it was like a two-year wait to get your your game. We're going to go for like a little bit more than an hour. I'm not going to go too much more because I'm on vacation and you know me, I'm I'm very thankful, you know, taking it's four it's five o'clock almost here. It's gonna be a fun night. We got a great dinner booked at the at the hotel here. We're going to watch I'm going to watch the World Cup. Be a great game tonight. Well, poor Belgium. That was one of the I think that was the worst goal conceded in the World Cup to date was that Belgium goalie. What a fail. Like bro, your team is doing everything it can to get to overtime, to get to PKs, even to give Belgium a chance to beat, right? To beat the mighty Spain, the Spanish Armada. Attacking, attacking, attack. And you can't grab on to that weak ass kick. It wasn't even a strong kick and he literally just coughs it right up into the to the Spanish player's foot like and like that was the worst most pathetic especially at the end of a game like that. Like you're a goalie. You're just standing still like how you're not even tired out running around the pitch like the rest of the team. But he lost the game for his team.
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    Pulp Fiction is my favorite game. Well, good. Good gang. I want I want each and every one of you to have different favorite games. That's the way it should be. I each and every one of you should have different favorite games. And and the reason why it's your favorite game will be different. You you know what I'm saying? Like there were reasons why that I might have been like I my favorite game might be Batman 66 because I love what Lyman did with the code, right? It just that game to me is like code perfect. I think it's the greatest coded game of all time. The layout's kind of clunky. You know, the the the big turntable mech is not that is sort of overengineered silliness. The crane is fun, but really doesn't tie to the theme at all. You know what I'm saying? Like there's so much to love about Batman and so much to dislike about it. So like someone might jump on Batman 66 and be like, I just don't like the way this game shoots. Like Harry Potter shoots 10 times better than Batman. And it does. But but Batman 66 might just put more of a smile on your face than Harry Potter because of how quirky and how well implemented all those like show clips are and and just the campiness of that period of Batman. That's why I love this hobby. I mean, all these things are different. All these games are different and all the approaches are different. Um, let's talk next um about Turner Pinball. Not much to say other than Chris Turner is pouring the foundation of what looks like a pretty, you know, decentlyssized boutique pinball facility. As I said in my post, I would love to have Chris Turner money because he's building the city before he's built the reason to live in that city, you know? And and again, like Chris has got a lot of money, but he I just don't think he has his George Gomez yet. I should probably talk to him, man. Like, if I went to work for marketing for someone, it's fun to have people with deep pockets, but I don't think he has a vision yet. and he's a nice guy. But you know what is funny is I've I've heard Chris Turner stories where he's not the he's not he's not the nice nicest guy when things aren't going his way or when different shows and operators don't put his game on location. like he has another side of him and I you know whenever people are like the way he is the public facing version of Chris Turner I know there's another side that he's competitive that he can be maybe a little bit ruthless that he can maybe like you know what I'm saying like he wants to bury the competition a little bit like and that's fine like I think it's healthy what I don't think what I'm not necessarily buying is this overly docile nice guy that's just happy go-lucky yeah we're listening like I I think there's like I don't I don't feel like that is authentically who he fully really who he really is. So, you know, I think he needs I think what's going to be interesting is again the other part of Turner Pinball that like people forget is he was in bed with Robert Mueller in a lot of ways and like he bought all those IPs from Robert Mueller. Like Robert Mueller is a criminal. Like, you know, Chris didn't come out like clean slate. Like, he made Merlin's Arcade, which was a silly Robert Mueller idea. So, like I we have And then, you know, Yukon Yeti was also designed at Deep Routt, Ninja Clips, whatever, right? It's like what Chris Turner probably should go do is like hire Jack Danger.
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    I'll just stop with that. Like, go hire Jack Danger. Give him what he's worth. He needs a name like that, you know? He needs a name in an IP. And he needs to get rid of the artist that's making everything look like comic books I buy for my kids. It's just not the same level of what everyone else is doing. Yeah. Hans, the reason why he's super responsive to issues is no one has the game, bro.
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    you people realize that, right? Like, look at Azie, baby. Azie, love you, brother. Enjoy your vacation. I'm here lurking, driving to Miami. Dude, this dude's driving to Miami, lurking, and still able to give a hundred bucks while most of you are planted, giving nothing. This is why Azie is the man. This is like This is like It's like it's not a Saturday morning spectacular unless Azie hit. Now, Aussie, I hate to break it to you, Pete Rosen doubled up. Doubled up today. Between Azie and Pete, we've got our taxis covered in Italy. But, um, yeah, that that's the other thing I was like, I want to see Chris Turner come out with something that is fully fully like non-de related and and really shows us what he's capable of doing. And I think his, you know, his platform has got some real innovation happening in it for sure, but he, in my honest opinion, he's yet to put all the pieces together yet that's on the same competitive level of what else is out there in the market. I wish him the best. I don't, again, I don't wish anyone ill will. And I think it'd be I think it'd be beneficial for for Chris Turner to be a little bit more of an a-hole and compete at that level. I think he's also Mormon, which is, you know, they're very sweet people. Okay. Um, let's go to Pinball Brothers real quick. I don't know, man. I want it to be Fifth Element. I'm dreaming of Fifth Element. I hope it's Fifth Element. That's all I'm going to say on Pinball Brothers because I don't know. I don't have any leaks or any insider information other than what someone has told me. I'm I'm I'm fingers crossed with the with this company. Uh the Predator build seems to be better quality than what they've done before. So that has me hopeful. Also has me fearful that this company will make a game based on a movie and not have the main character in it. But you could maybe get a Fifth Element without Bruce Willis in it, which I don't even understand how you do it, but they made Predator without Arnold. So, trust me, if anyone can figure out how to bring an iconic film to pinball without the main character energy, it's Pinball Brothers. All right, let's go on. Let's talk about what is probably the reality that dungeon crawler Carl [cough]
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    I think it's almost 100% certain now that dungeon crawler Carl is going to be multimmorphic P3 or P3 multimorphic whatever I don't know Jerry I've been telling Jerry for years why why are there two different things it's like multimorphic is the platform And P3 is the un like it's the stupidest marketing ever. Like what what what is this? What what is P3? P3 mean. And what is multimorphic? Multimorphic is the company, right? But isn't the only thing they make the P3? Like is it like pinball to the third dimension? Well, you know what I'm saying? But they don't have any other products ever. If if if you only make if you if you only make M&M's, do you need to call your company something else? You know what I'm saying? Like Mars makes M&M's, but if Mars only made M&M's, couldn't they just be the M&M's company?
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    anyway, Scott Denise on his Facebook page is holding up um his he's with I think his wife uh she's holding up the princess what donut whatever the the cat apparently the cat from dungeon crawler Carl. She's got like a stuffed animal of it. It's like an Easter egg. Um I when you look at the artwork on the game, it looks like artwork that would be on a multimorphic P3 platform. It's also coming out like soon and even the IP holders been teasing it and because of that we know it then it's definitely not going to be barrels of fun. It's just definitely not going to be them because that this is not what's next from them. And you know, David said the next game we had everybody's heard about. This is not one of those. It it it's starting to feel more and more like a multimorphic game. And then when you read the feedback on Facebook, it's kind of brutal. People just don't want to have to buy this massively heavy. The problem is is like if you commit to it, you almost have to then buy the other games or there makes no point buying the platform. I challenge Jerry to few things to be transparent about how many P3s have sold to date. Why is it still a mystery? Do you ever think about that? Why? It's been a it's been at least almost close to a decade now. Why is it a mystery how many you've sold? And then the only conclusion is because it's not many. He doesn't want people to know. Someone says like it's over 700. If it was over 700 700 then say that like what what are you like why are we like like I don't understand it it would make more sense for people to feel better about joining a community of 700 owners that are all internet connected to each other. Why would Jerry not release after like we've sold our 500th unit or we've sold our 700th unit, we've sold our like I I just feel like it there's no competitive advantage for him to keep it a secret. The only conclusion I can make is that he's ashamed of the number. That's it. I just think he's ashamed of the number and he won't say it. Like just come out and say it.
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    you know, and I think what's been so damn interesting is again, I've said this before and you're you're going to know what's coming from from Canada is that I just think they have some of the best engineers
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    It's so unfortunate. They have some of the best engineers that need to reverse engineer some of the coolest stuff that can only really be in the top oneird of the playfield. Can you imagine if Jerry just unshackled his engineers and let them engineer a full pinball game from top to bottom without having to work around that huge screen? being able to put their engineering onto 100% of a game. He'll never do it because the moment he does it and it sells tremendously well, it will, you know, he's stuck. He's stuck. He's got to he's got to keep doubling down on this thing.
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    So, dungeon crawler Carl arriving this year on multimorphic P3 or P3 multimorphic. I don't even think it matters which order they are. All right, on to the next. So, the spooky pinball Goonies. So, it's going to goonies and South Park seems to be the bang bang bang. Maybe a few Motorhead games made on the side, but nothing that's not going to be like a major release. Goonies has a humongous pirate ship that shoots the balls out of cannons. Hey you guys, take my money now. Hey you guys, this game is already sold out. Hey you guys, it's going to be Beetlejuice on crack. And I also think with Goonies, it's going to shoot better than Beetlejuice. Now, Jack Danger working at Spooky is a great idea. I think Jack I think spooky guys need someone with Jack's talents. I I don't think they quite get layouts as well as he does. I also think it's the right vibe for him. I think spooky, absorbing, stern employees in the past has worked out tremendously well for people who have made the migration. Hello, Christopher Franchie. [snorts] So, we'll see. Goonies has so many moments that can make for great modes. It it absolutely does. Um, I think that, you know, from what I heard, like I think Don told this to me, he's like, "Look," he's like, "Bang, they've got three more years of just like it's just going to be the same insanity every launch.
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    It is Goonies then South Park." Yeah, that's what I said. Um, so Spooky, get your orders in already. You're already sold out. Let's go on to the next company. What who we missing here? Um, Dutch Pinball: Back to the Future. I mean, I've seen the game and I'm like, all right. Like, I get it. I get it. With franchia and artwork and a big Delorean mechanically, like, I don't know. I think this is going to be a game that is uh is just going to sell on theme alone and I think it's going to be beautiful. You know, like they're going to come out with these Well, look, if they make 88 SLEs with Franchie Delorean on the side, Aussie, they'll go for 20k. I mean, I'm not worried. I I I'm I can guarantee you. Um if that's if the SLE has like an exclusive topper and it's got that artwork, I'm not worried about people forking over 20K for Back to the Future, you know? It's just it's just that kind of like it's just that kind of theme, you know, and they have all the movie clips. They have Bob Gail, executive producer of the film, working on it. People forget Joe Camnikau is working on it's not a name we say very often but he's working on it. I I I just think it's it's going to be kind of awesome to have Goonies Back to the Future. The question with Dutch that will be a big issue is you know they the manufacturing is just slow for lack of a better word. It's just very slow. I mean they haven't finished making the Alicees yet. Yeah. So, what happens when you take 5,000 orders on Back to the Future, right? We'll see you see your game in five years.
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    Well, we'll see if they bring the game to expo or not. I don't think they My my advice to Barry is I wouldn't bring the game to anything.
    70:51
    What's the point of bringing the game to Expo? You don't even need to go to a damn show to sell this game. I I think if I'm Barry, I go to ComicCon with it. I don't go to Expo with it. Why would I go to Expo when I'm These people are already going to want one? I think you take it to ComicCon. I think you release it to the world on Back to the Future Day in October. Uh sure, you can maybe send one to Expo, but like that's not where I would unveil it. I would unveil this game with the, you know, with who with someone from the cast of the movie. Michael, maybe you in maybe set one up at Michael J. Fox's house if if that's even a possibility. Um, yeah, I don't know if it's like even Yeah.
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    Well, this is the thing. It's like that's a really good point, JC. If they're gonna run three more 300 more Labowskis, which we know historically this company can't even make barely making 300 games a year, and they haven't even unveiled the Jesus edition of Labowski.
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    It it it it's it's almost like if that h if if Labowski Jesus edition does get announced that we are very far away from Back to the Future making it into people's homes.
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    All right, let's see. People still talking about Dark Crystal on Patreon. [sighs and gasps] Um, well, and then that what I know is there's there's 300 Jesus editions and all the orange stuff is purple on the Jesus edition. Gang, have I missed anybody? Because if not, I'm going to go join my wife in our our pool area up here and enjoy Sicily. But I wanted to get the Saturday morning spectacular up. Thank you, Pete Rose, and thank you, Azie. Thank you, Fizzy. Um, thank you everybody who donated to the show today. Let's see who we got here. I think uh Space Ace also gave some money round like I'll tell you my top fans right now in terms of donations. Pete Rosen is number one with 10,000 points donate XP. Azie is number two. Space I think this is today's show. Yeah. Okay, Fizzy. [snorts] Yeah, this is today's show. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it. Um, I've had a great vacation. The wedding was hot. Other than that, the next day was more fun, which was the pool party at the same venue. Look, when you're when you're when you're in the Italian sun and there's no shade, it's brutal. It's brutal. Now imagine being dressed up for a wedding in the sun, no shade for hours. Brutal.
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    Probably would have done the ceremony at sunset because once the sun sets, it's delectable to be out because there's not really much humidity. What's up everybody? Let's go back and give the guy one more view of like of this hotel room. You walk in here. I brought more clothes. Brenda, we've got See, I got this at Brenda for I got Oh, all right. The verified me. Okay, let's see. Oh, man. What? What is this? Hold on. Use your tablet.
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    All right, we're back. All right, we're back. I don't know what happened there. Just asked me to verify all of a sudden. [snorts]
    75:47
    Oh, you know what it is about the Italian sun, too? It takes away your your like your hunger. Like, I'm I No wonder everybody's skinny in Italy. Like, everyone looks great. is because like you're not hungry when you're in the sun all day long. It like it zaps. You want to have like one delicious meal a day and you're good. I feel like in America everyone's just like non-stop eating. So, we have this cow from Fendi Roma. It's like you can wear this. It's like this silk thing. It's amazing. I brought way more clothes than Brenda. All right, so let's see. You go in here, sleeping, looking out that window. Yeah. Right. Like Spanish. Like they know how to eat. They eat like one big meal a day and they're good. And they all skinny and they're just like fresh ingredients. No preservatives. I'm going to be quiet.
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    I'm going to go in the infinity pool now down there. It's all part of this hotel. Brenda is over here in our private. There she is.
    77:13
    See, we got the we got the better room because we're on the top of this hotel. which means nobody's above us in our private pool where the people that got the room below us. We can see everything they do in that private pool.
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    How do I close this door? All right. All right, everybody. Look, this has been a great Saturday morning spectacular, which has actually been taking [snorts] place 4:00 in the afternoon in Sicily. My people, my mother's 100% Sicilian. Um, we know how to live. What is it? Living
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    dolce vida something like that. I don't know. Bissimo. Perfecto Canada. All right, everybody. Be good. Thank you for the support. I'll be back Wednesday. So, for those of you waiting for podcast Wednesday, probably Thursday morning. It's good time to take a vacation. Not much is happening in the pinball world other than Sonic. Get on the game, play it, make up your own mind. Don't listen to the people that ordered it already. And don't listen to the haters. Like, just make up your own mind. It's like they're they're going to be out there. The games are shipping now. That's the new pinball thing. Wait and see, man. Everything's wait and see. Like, don't believe the dealer. Dro hype, man. These guys like they just like I don't know. I just think everyone needs to play these games. Canada out. All right, guys. I'm gonna leave two on Patreon. Thank you guys for the support and not canceling your memberships. I'll be back, but I just want I'll live more here on Patreon than I do on YouTube. Don't worry. But Saturday morning show is usually just on on YouTube later.