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Don's Pinball Podcast YouTube Feed·video·9m 38s·analyzed·Jul 9, 2023

Analysis

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TL;DR

Don reacts to Haggis Pinball's Centaur remake reveal with mixed enthusiasm on design and sticker shock on $16.7K pricing.

Summary

Don from Don's Pinball Podcast reacts to Haggis Pinball's new Centaur remake reveal trailer, which is taking pre-orders. The machine features atmospheric lighting, LED work, and comes in multiple editions with price points up to $16,700 USD (including an airbrushed leather jacket bundle). Don expresses mixed feelings about the colorized playfield compared to the original art, questions the premium pricing and accessories strategy, and notes that used Centaur machines sell for around $6,000 on the secondary market.

Key Claims

Haggis Pinball's Centaur is being offered in at least two editions (Beast Edition and Orbital/Bolivian Edition) with different features
high confidence · Don directly references watching the reveal trailer and identifying multiple editions with different cosmetics
The top-tier Centaur edition with airbrushed leather jacket costs $16,700 USD plus freight
high confidence · Don explicitly states '16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket' and notes additional shipping costs apply
The Beast Edition features original (non-colorized) playfield art while other versions have colorized playfields
high confidence · Don compares editions, noting 'I like the Shane Black and Dick White' (original art) and criticizes the colorized version as having inappropriate 'Caucasian flesh tones' for the demon motorcycle centaur
The Orbital edition does not include a smoke machine but it is available as an add-on
high confidence · Don states 'it doesn't come with a smoke machine that's an add-on if you want to play that game with the smoke'
Limited edition Centaur machines are capped at 50 units
high confidence · Don explicitly notes 'It's limited to 50' when discussing the high-end edition
Used Centaur machines sell for approximately $6,000 on the secondary market
medium confidence · Don states 'you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished' on the secondary market
Don criticizes the pricing and accessory bundling as poor marketing strategy compared to offering items as promotional giveaways
high confidence · Don suggests the leather jacket and helmet should have been promotional items for initial deposits rather than a $7,000 upgrade

Notable Quotes

“Coming Tee'd Off your wallet... Australia's Most Wanted. I'm talking about Melbourne's Shining Sun. Haggis Pinball and Haggis Pinball's new Centaur”
Don (Don's Pinball Podcast)@ 0:18 — Enthusiastic introduction to the Haggis Pinball Centaur reveal; establishes the Australian origin of the machine
“I like the Shane Black and Dick White um hang on hang on hang on... that colorised play field i hate it it's hurting my solenoid i do not like that”
Don@ 5:45 — Core criticism of the colorized playfield aesthetics; references original artists and expresses strong preference for non-colorized art
“you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished. Why aren't they selling art blades and toppers?”
Don@ 8:45 — Questions Haggis Pinball's pricing strategy given secondary market availability; suggests alternative monetization through accessories
“If I was paying seven grand for a pinball upgrade, I'd rather have a leather jacket and a helmet more than a thermos, but none of that is worth that price.”
Don@ 7:54 — Direct criticism of the $7,000 premium tier bundle as overpriced and poorly conceived value proposition
“This should have been a promotional material... the leather jacket is available and the helmet is available for an extra 150 for the first 50 people”
Don@ 8:09 — Suggests concrete alternative marketing strategy to justify premium pricing through scarcity and incentives rather than bundling
“16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket, which I'm going to get... And then plus you got to pay freight for this thing”

Entities

Haggis Pinballcompany Donperson Centaurgame Shane Blackperson Dick WhitepersonBeast EditionproductOrbital Editionproduct

Signals

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competitive_signal: Haggis Pinball positioning Centaur remake as premium collector item at $16,700+ with limited 50-unit run and premium accessories (leather jacket, helmet, rune topper)
high · Beast Edition pricing, limited production cap, and exclusive accessory bundling signal premium collector positioning
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design_philosophy: Colorized playfield on non-Beast editions criticized as aesthetically mismatched to theme; original Shane Black/Dick White art style strongly preferred by evaluator
high · Don repeatedly expresses disdain for colorized version: 'I don't like that Caucasian flesh tones for the demon motorcycle centaur' and 'I hate it it's hurting my solenoid'
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market_signal: Limited production (50 units) for premium Beast Edition creates artificial scarcity and FOMO positioning typical of collector-focused manufacturers
high · Don explicitly notes: 'It's limited to 50' when discussing the Beast Edition top-tier machine
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market_signal: Leather jacket/helmet bundling at premium tier criticized as poor value proposition; Don suggests accessories should be promotional giveaways rather than $7,000 premium tier
high · Don proposes alternative strategy: 'the leather jacket is available and the helmet is available for an extra 150 for the first 50 people that buy them' rather than bundled premium tier
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market_signal: Haggis Pinball's $16,700 USD premium edition (with leather jacket/helmet) significantly exceeds secondary market price (~$6,000) for existing Centaur machines, raising questions about value proposition and market positioning

Topics

Haggis Pinball Centaur remake announcement and pricingprimaryPremium pricing and accessory bundling strategy criticismprimaryPlayfield art colorization vs. original aestheticprimaryLimited edition scarcity (50 unit cap) and collector appealsecondaryShipping and international logistics from AustraliasecondarySecondary market pricing vs. new machine MSRPsecondaryLive reaction video format as content strategymentioned

Sentiment

mixed(0.35)— Don expresses genuine appreciation for certain design elements (LED work, mechanical details, original art) but strong criticism of colorized playfield aesthetics, pricing strategy, and accessory bundling. The leather jacket and helmet bundle at $7,000+ is dismissed as overpriced and impractical. Underlying frustration with Haggis Pinball's pricing relative to secondary market availability ($6K vs $16.7K). Tone shifts from excited opening to increasingly skeptical and sarcastic as pricing details emerge.

Transcript

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Yo, what's up everybody? Don's Pinball Podcast is coming back at you with some brand new content and a brand new exciting experience. Just for you, I am going to live react to a video. A video that was just released from a pinball company about a brand new machine that's taking pre-orders. I'm talking about Australia's Most Wanted. I'm talking about Melbourne's Shining Sun. Damien and Haggis Pinball's new Centaur coming to your face. Coming to your wallet. We're going to watch the reveal trailer here. I'm going to pop on over and get this thing a-pop-a-lop-a-lop-a-lop-a-lockin'. Boom. You ready for this? Hit. Look at this pretty thing. That is definitely a centaur. I'm digging the LEDs there. little flipper action if only there was some etching on the side rails right look at that oh machine hang on hang on was that like some halloween vibes let's go back there i feel like i just entered like a haunted house at knott's berry farm look at that look at that atmospheric lighting maybe that's why it takes so long to make a game there because there's zero visibility all right let's keep going can i just stop and say at first i'm like this game needs to be black and white but if this is the colorized play field they're talking about like that's not too bad actually um i'm kind of digging it i like the leds they did up in that side little chamber up there. I love those old rollover targets, too. No real art blades to speak of, but there's not much space for them, these old 1980s games. What was that, Popper? Alright. $16,000 version. Oh, there's the etched rails. Okay The smoke is back Oh whoa whoa Hang on Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up I seeing smart blades there Centaur got art blades Centaur's got blades. If the $16,000 airbrushed leather jacket version does. Orbs. I'm making mental notes as I'm watching this. Isn't that a pretty play field? Alright, hang on. Let me jump back. Here, let me see. Am I on a proper screen here? Let's go back to this one. I want to go check something out here real quick. Let's head back. I want to go back to the other play field from the Beast Edition. yeah see okay all right i spoke too soon here when i said colorize like that's the appropriate amount of color right there the the kind of caucasian flesh tones to the demon motorcycle centaur i feel is not very representative yeah yeah no i don't like that i don't like that i like the black and white um hang on hang on hang on i got comments sorry to keep jumping around in here but but let's let's go forward um i'm i'm kind of feeling the stopper here to be honest what are those ancient runes where'd they get those from like all around the outside there let me embiggen this for you guys so you can see it like check out those runes there man let's open those runes bro and what's does she have like did she go into an old michael uh gold blue no jeff goldblum movie and get some fly eyeballs there those look like compound eyes maybe those runes are like like the haggis aztec calendar and you can do chifer when you're going to receive your machine this decade or the next. I not taking the color man Yeah I like that I like that But I need that topper. Alright, let's watch. Sure, okay. 300? I mean, yeah. Appropriate. haggis you you madman you i don't know what that just said all right let's kick some thoughts here all right camera one back to me so why can't they hit it with one version here right i love everything about the beast edition except i i would need to have that topper with the magical runes with the the australian calendar australian aztec calendar that'll tell the end of the world and then a month before that is when you get your game but i that colorized play field i hate it it's hurting my soul i do not like that damien sir i don't like it now i've heard since some rumblings here that it's an option to get the not the traditional non-colorized play field in your version otherwise what does the orbital version have going for it the or bolivian version it's got a bizarre name i know it doesn't come with a smoke machine that's an add-on if you want to play that game with the smoke you're gonna have to go down to spirit halloween and pick up uh and pick up your machine that is of course unless spirit halloween takes over haggis headquarters next year well i don't know now damien said damien with the with the with the locks man i mean the playfields look great and Damien's locks look great, man. He's got some mane and tail in there. I didn't see one split head at all. I peeked at the other video. But if we could stick with this one, I love that OG play field. You gotta have those art blades and I have to have the good topper with the Australian runes and that thing from Spencer's Gifts with the lightning and stuff behind it. I don't even wanna look at that other topper anymore. But it's limited to 50. And not only that, dear listener, it is $16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket, which I'm going to get to in a second. And then plus you got to pay freight for this thing because I don know if you going to wait for a shipping container to be full and then float across the ocean Can we talk about the leather jacket If you asking for from me you better come with that jacket. I want to see what it looks like. And I'm imagining an airbrushed jacket. Are there going to be little frills on it with a Centaur logo on the back? I mean, probably. But where exactly, besides your basement, are you going to wear a Centaur leather jacket and not get beat up. I guess at the pin bar, you can wear it there and maybe that would be cool. Well, at least you have a helmet. So if you're gonna get beat up, you won't get a traumatic brain injury because you're gonna have the Haggis helmet, right? But is a Haggis helmet and a leather jacket worth? No, it's not. Seven grand, no. If I was paying seven grand for a pinball upgrade, I'd rather have a leather jacket and a helmet more than a thermos, but none of that is worth that price. This should have been a promotional material. like if you go ahead and put your deposit down today you get a leather jacket or you get a helmet or something you know um or or the leather jacket is available and the helmet is available for an extra 150 for the first 50 people that buy them just to get some sales going i think that would have been a better marketing stretch than asking for 17 grand plus shipping for this top end machine, a machine which goes for $6,000 in the secondary market. So Mr. Haggis, I don't know. I don't know their financials. Maybe he's got backers that we don't know about, some angel investors or something, and he could take his time handcrafting these things, whatever. We don't know because they won't tell us. But you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished. why aren't they selling art blades and toppers it's a passion project for them i get it anyway let me know what you guys think was this fun you want me to do some more reaction videos i had fun once i finally learned how to do this whole thing check out the logo up there and my name down there and don't click on this link because there's nothing there because i don't know how to do that yet anyway don spinball podcast at gmail.com drop me some hits man let me know what you think put some comments down below hit like and subscribe i'm trying to get me one of those green silver play buttons and I'm like years away from being able to get one of those but this is where it started and you could be there from the start I'll see you around the flip town later everybody