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FNO Pinball Ep 8: Black Knight LE Pinball Machine

Flip n Out Pinball·video·3h 11m·analyzed·Jun 25, 2019
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TL;DR

Black Knight Sword of Rage LE stream features code update, physical enhancements, and comparison to Oktoberfest.

Summary

Ken Cromwell and Steve Beatty from Special When Lit Pinball Podcast, along with guest Bill Webb, stream Black Knight Sword of Rage LE on Flippin' Out Pinball's channel, discussing Stern's latest code update and physical playfield enhancements (new protective plastics and an optional upper playfield rail groove to feed the flipper). The hosts compare the game favorably to Oktoberfest (their first streamed title) and discuss upcoming content including Willy Wonka Special Edition arriving next week.

Key Claims

  • Stern Pinball released a code update for Black Knight Sword of Rage LE today with added features and physical playfield enhancements

    high confidence · Ken: 'Stern updated their code today with some added features, and then they added some physical features to the play field, Bill.'

  • The two physical enhancements are: new protective plastics to prevent cracking not caught during QC, and an optional groove on upper playfield lower left rail to help feed the ball to the flipper

    high confidence · Ken describes the enhancements in detail; Stern provided them as free add-ons for owners

  • New code update adds ball saves: on last ball, left drain provides second chance for upper playfield shots; right drain triggers MagnaSave button save

    high confidence · Ken: 'The new code that was uploaded by Stern Pinball today is on the machine. It adds some modes. It adds some ball saves.'

  • Wonka Special Edition units are being provided to Flippin' Out by Zach Minney and will be streamed next Monday (week of)

    high confidence · Ken: 'Wonka is on the way, and if we can get a delivery date set up, we should be streaming that game a week from tonight'

  • Zach Minney has 1-2 Wonka Special Edition units still available for direct reservation, with 10-13 day delivery

    high confidence · Ken addresses Wonka availability through Flippin' Out Pinball contact

  • Penn Stadium LED kits have been applied to Black Knight LE for the stream, provided by Scott (Penn Stadium supplier)

    high confidence · Ken: 'The Black Knight Sword of Rage, LE, has Penn Stadiums on it right now. Scott's provided LEs. He's provided all of our pins with Penn Stadium kits for the stream.'

  • Special When Lit Pinball Podcast is celebrating one-year anniversary next week with giveaway prizes including autographed translights and pinball swag

    high confidence · Ken: 'Our one-year show is coming up next week, so we're going to be celebrating that.'

  • Stern animated Chuck Ernst's team for Black Knight animations, which hosts credit as significantly improved compared to earlier games

Notable Quotes

  • “Stern updated their code today with some added features, and then they added some physical features to the play field, Bill.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 4:19 — Announces the day's main topic: new code and physical enhancements to Black Knight

  • “It's not as brutal if you're able to get your shots down. Yeah, you know, I mean, we're not playing this in the best of environments.”

    Ken / Steve Beatty@ 11:12 — Discussion of how gameplay experience varies with environment; Steve notes studio distractions vs. basement play preference

  • “If you had to pick Black Knight Sword of Rage, and this is just the games that we stream, or Oktoberfest... which one would it be?”

    Ken Cromwell@ 9:11 — Hosts directly compare the two flagship games streamed on the channel

  • “I'm having a good time playing Black Knight today... but right now I'm having a good time playing Black Knight that's an interesting point because I think as you get your shots down on Black Knight it becomes more fun.”

    Bill Webb / Ken Cromwell@ 11:02 — Shows Black Knight's learning curve and how mastery improves enjoyment

  • “I find myself wanting to play Black Knight one more game more than I do Oktoberfest, if that makes any sense.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 14:04 — Ken's preference shift toward Black Knight despite initially favoring Oktoberfest

  • “The animations, especially for Stern, have really come a long way.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 16:56 — Acknowledges improvement in Stern's animation quality and credits Chuck Ernst's team

Entities

Ken CromwellpersonSteve BeattypersonBill WebbpersonZach MinneypersonChuck ErnstpersonScott (Penn Stadium)personBlack Knight Sword of Rage LEgameOktoberfestgameWilly Wonka Special Edition

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern releasing games at accelerated pace; multiple new titles in pipeline suggests strong production capacity and market demand

    medium · Ken: 'They're coming out quick this year. They are coming out quick.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Flippin' Out Pinball and Special When Lit are actively partnering to provide latest machines to streaming community; free upgrades distributed via Zach Minney's network

    high · Multiple references to Zach providing machines, handling upgrades, and fielding customer orders during stream

  • ?

    event_signal: Special When Lit Pinball Podcast approaching one-year anniversary milestone; planning giveaway celebration with autographed items and pinball swag

    high · Ken: 'Our one-year show is coming up next week, so we're going to be celebrating that. If you get a chance, go to our Facebook page... anybody that's liked our page is eligible for the prizes'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Black Knight Sword of Rage difficulty/brutality decreases with player skill development and shot mastery; learning curve significant but rewarding

    medium · Ken: 'I think as you get your shots down on Black Knight it becomes more fun. It's not as brutal if you're able to get your shots down.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Upper playfield rail feeding issue on Black Knight mirrors Black Knight 2000 bounce-post design; hosts note this as intentional callback mechanic

    medium · Ken: 'a la Black Knight 2000, kind of how it bounced off those posts'

Transcript

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0:00
you Thank you. Hey, what's going on, Pinball Land? Welcome to the Flippin' Out Pinball Channel Streaming Network. I'm Ken Cromwell. To my left, Steve Beatty. And this guy is? Bill Webb. What's going on, ladies and gentlemen? Thanks for joining us. We are going to be streaming Black Knight Sword of Rage LE with the latest code update from Stern Pinball here in a few minutes. Stern updated their code today with some added features, and then they added some physical features to the play field, Bill.
4:26
They created a podcast. Yes, they did. We're going to pause your station identification. here. Yeah. Yeah. Sounded pretty good. There's no edit here, though. There's no editing. No clapping. Yeah. Right. Shooting from the hip. Yeah, good times. If you're in chat, say hello, and if you are not willing to say hello, we're going to say hello to you. So, good times. The two elements that were added to the play field today by Stern Pinball were like alternate add-ons that were given away for free. There were two plastics that were redone to add protection to prevent from cracking that was not caught during cycle testing or quality control testing at Stern Pinball. They were not aware there was an issue. And then finally, on the upper play field, the lower left rail, which should feed the flipper if you're able to kind of nudge the ball out. They added a little notch, a little groove to kind of let that ball skip up onto the flipper. So it's an optional upgrade. Very nice. Optional upgrade. It's not anything that needs to be done, but it is there for your playing pleasure should you choose to accept it. An enhancement. If the mics are a little bit too hot, if we're a little bit too loud, let us know so we can turn these down. And we're going to jump on the game here in a couple minutes and see how that goes. Somebody say hello so we know our mics are working. Yeah, I don't know if anybody says hello. I'll say hello. I will type hello in chat. Hello. There we go. Hey, flipping on pinball. That's me. Hello, hello.

high confidence · Ken: 'we had Chuck Ernst in from Stern Pinball. Now, Chuck is the computer animation graphics director over there at Stern.'

  • “I encourage you to look at some of the tutorials online... there's always a way to kind of blow up a game. And if scoring is your thing, you're going to want to look into that.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 23:24 — Advises viewers on mastering the complex rule set via external resources

  • “Mondays are hard to get through the day just because, you know, you come here and enjoy it on live... It's like the extended weekend.”

    Ken / Steve Beatty@ 15:25 — Reflects on the value of the weekly streaming/podcast schedule to hosts and community

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    Special When Lit Pinball Podcastorganization
    Flippin' Out Pinballorganization
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    Penn Stadiumcompany
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    market_signal: Stern emphasizing animation quality improvements as differentiator; Chuck Ernst's team credited for advancing Stern's visual/animation capabilities

    medium · Ken: 'The animations, especially for Stern, have really come a long way... we have a better appreciation after having Chuck in last week for what goes into these'

  • ?

    announcement: Willy Wonka Special Edition units shipping; Flippin' Out receiving allocation for streaming and direct sale; 1-2 units claimed available for immediate reservation with 10-13 day delivery window

    high · Ken: 'Wonka is on the way... I believe you said you have one or two special editions that are still available'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern Pinball released free physical enhancements for Black Knight Sword of Rage LE: protective plastics to prevent cracking and optional upper playfield rail groove to improve ball feed to flipper

    high · Ken explicitly describes two enhancements provided free to existing owners; hosts verify implementation on stream machine

  • ?

    product_concern: Playfield cracking issue on Black Knight not caught during Stern's cycle testing or quality control; required post-release physical fix

    high · Ken: 'They created two plastics that were redone to add protection to prevent from cracking that was not caught during cycle testing or quality control testing at Stern Pinball. They were not aware there was an issue.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Host Ken's preference shifting from Oktoberfest to Black Knight after extended play; initial reservations about game giving way to appreciation post-practice

    medium · Ken: 'I find myself wanting to play Black Knight one more game more than I do Oktoberfest, if that makes any sense'

    • 5:47
    Hello. So we'll do some three-player games here. And then do you guys have a preference for order on what we're doing? Whatever we do, we keep it the same the whole night, though. Right, right. Right. Is it me you're looking for? Bill, why don't you just jump on, man? Yeah, Bill started off. All right. We'll go Bill, Steve, Ken this time. All right. Keep it in table order. And we'll see how it works out. Yeah, actually, that's exactly how it works out. So what's up with you, Steve? What's going on? Not a whole lot, man. Building a deck, eating up all my free time. How far along are you on the deck? The deck of range. I don't know. I don't know how much further. Like, I don't know timing-wise what each step takes. I don't know either. And it's all taking way longer than I thought. So maybe halfway. Dennis, what's up, man? Zondra, thanks for joining us in chat, buddy. What's up, Dennis? Hey, excellent episode of TWiP today. I really, really enjoyed it. Elbert, what's up, man? Pillball nerd. This guy's rocking and rolling. He's on episode 790 right now. He's the man. Glad he could join us, man. Glad he could join us. Dennis, you were not happy with TWiP today. It was a long episode for not having news. I enjoyed the banter, so I liked it. 799, Elbert?
    6:52
    That's awesome, man. You've got to do episode 800 here in Chicago. and then we have to get together for some pinball. So actually, Albert, are you coming to Chicago? I think at one point months ago you were contemplating visiting here, but you had to get your move finished. So if you're coming, we should absolutely get together. Come to the studios or we'll meet in the city. A little backyard pinball.
    7:16
    I will never do the backyard pinball ever again. That was awesome, though, man. That was enough for me, man. A lot of work, but it was a good time. That was enough. too much going on.
    7:27
    Yeah, so what's good with you, man? Nothing, man. I am... So, as everybody knows, Wonka's are shipping. And so Zach's got Wonka coming here. It's en route. It'll be here before the end of the week. So if we can get the delivery date figured out, a week from today, a Monday, we'll be streaming Willy Wonka Special Edition. Right on. Which will be fun, because that would be great. That's like three weeks of Oktoberfest.
    7:54
    Excuse me, followed by three weeks of Black Knight, Sword of Rage LE, and then right into Wonka Special Edition. And then what I'm assuming is by the time that ends, we'll be then, Stern will have another release. Yep. Yeah, it'll be about that time. So we'll have that. And I don't know. We're going to keep going. They're coming out quick this year. They are coming out quick. Great. Yeah, Albert says he'll be sure to let you know, you being me and us, as soon as he's coming to Chicago.
    8:20
    Well, for sure he's coming to Chicago. It's just a matter of when, he says. So that works for me, man.
    8:26
    Now, Sword of Rage has been a game that has not treated us the best. As far as it's had brutal moments, it's been fast and frustrating. Yeah. So you've had a little bit more time on it than we have. I haven't. So you haven't really been coming down here and playing it much. In all fairness, I thought it was only fair that if we only played it together. So I have not put in any other thing. So this specific game is for stale because it's a used LE. I didn't want to be racking up the plays. Now, I suppose nobody would know because I updated code today, unless there's some way you can retrieve that.
    9:02
    Yeah, so low plays, man. I think it's fun. We probably all have, what, 30 games on this, would you say? Right about there, yeah. Okay. Right about there. Okay. So if you had to pick Black Knight Sword of Rage, and this is just the games that we stream, or Oktoberfest,
    9:17
    and again, we started with Oktoberfest. We opened up the Flippin' Up Pinball streaming channel with Oktoberfest. Now we have Black Knight Sword of Rage. Two completely different games. But if you could only pick one to add to your game room, would it be Oktoberfest or would it be Black Knight Sword of Rage? I'm going to go Oktoberfest right now. Okay. Why is that? It's just more my style. You know, I like the... Because there's alcohol in it? Exactly. I don't know, man. There's a lot going on.
    9:46
    We barely got to see the game. over the course of the three weeks. It went by fast. It did. It went by fast. Do you see yourself getting an Oktoberfest down the road at some point? I could totally see myself having an Oktoberfest. I could see you having an Oktoberfest. It'd fit well in the question. No doubt. Black Knight, I'm loving Black Knight.
    10:06
    Yeah. But between the two, yeah. So I was just asking Steve, when we started this Flippin' Out Pinball channel, and Zach sent the first game to us. It was Oktoberfest by American Pinball. So we played Oktoberfest for three weeks on the stream, and then this was our third week with Black Knight Sword of Rage. So for you, if you could pick one game for your game room that you would just keep indefinitely, and it was between Oktoberfest and Black Knight Sword of Rage, which one would it be? I'm having a good time playing Black Knight today you know just put 50 million up on your first ball so that's not bad no no you know what I mean either one would be fine by me in all honesty if you would have asked me that last week I would have said Octoberfest but right now I'm having a good time playing Black Knight that's an interesting point because I think as you get your shots down on Black Knight it becomes more fun. It's not as brutal if you're able to get your shots down. Yeah, you know, I mean, we're not playing this in the best of environments. What? What do you mean? Especially when we're at Pinball Podcast Studios. It is literally the best environment you could be playing this game in. My best environment is what I would have probably better said. See, I like playing in my basement, lights down, no distractions, you know. We've got a lot going on playing here, so for me it's harder to be able to sit here and... Oh, so it's the focus excuse. Correct. I got you. The Fuji excuse. Camera that just can't focus. Sometimes an added distraction is welcomed so that you're not focused as much on pinball, and then it just kind of flows. And I've been experimenting lately because I've got like these Bose wireless noise-canceling headphones, right? Oh, you've got the headphones. So I threw them on, and I was playing with the headphones on, and it was a completely different playing experience, but I felt like I played better. for some reason, because I was concentrating on what was being said, and then the game just started kind of blowing to me, where there wasn't the sense of urgency on the game because I was distracted. I don't even know if that makes any sense. It's not what I expected. I thought I was going to do horrible, but it actually seemed like I played better listening to something else in my ear. Is it because you just felt more immersed in the game?
    12:32
    I was not as immersed in the game, But I was just concentrating more on trajectory, like geometry of shots, and not so much on what was going on in the game, I think. I don't really know. All right, Sword of Rage. You know what, man? I can see myself owning a Black Knight Sword of Rage as well, though. So put it next to my 2,000. It is kind of, dude, it is definitely growing on me. I still really like the 2,000. Yeah, because I know at first you were a little like, hmm, yeah, this is a big-time ass-kicker. Yeah. We were having trouble. We were both having... Oh, yeah. Yeah.
    13:07
    Beverages might have been part of the problem on the deal. No, it was definitely a good time, though.
    13:13
    You know what? I could see you probably getting one-two down the road. Wow. I just sort of raged for myself there.
    13:19
    I think Oktoberfest for me, guys. There you go. Oh. Now I'm going to think it's my turn. Player one. I had a good time with Oktoberfest. I think if you want an adrenaline rush, though, man, it's got to be Black Knight. But if you're looking, again, to sit down with your buddies, have some beers, and just chill out and have some fun, Oktoberfest is the way to go. I mean, two different games. Completely different. But fun games.
    13:47
    I think at this point, if I had to pick one of them... See, I think there's a lot more to do in Oktoberfest.
    13:57
    But as far as, like, right now, as the games stand, like the overall playing experience, I find myself wanting to play Black Knight one more game more than I do Oktoberfest, if that makes any sense. I kind of felt that with both of them, though. One more game for Oktoberfest? I can't wait to get the Kens to play more Oktoberfest or more Black Knight.
    14:21
    Thank you, Scott, for the 100 bits. Hey, Scott's here! Thanks, man. Thanks for coming in. I appreciate it, buddy. How's everything going? These games are illuminated by Penn Stadium. The Black Knight Sword of Rage, LE, has Penn Stadiums on it right now. Scott's provided LEs. He's provided all of our pins with Penn Stadium kits for the stream.
    14:44
    Check out Scott at Penn Stadium. Hello from the south of France. Absolutely. Hello. How are you doing there, The Game Online TV? Hey, good times. Hello from south. What time is it in south France right now?
    14:56
    Jersey Jack, Jack Winery, was in Paris, France, I think last week or the week before. Yep. So that's good times.
    15:04
    Thanks for stopping in and saying hello, and thanks for everybody that's joining us here. Absolutely. Always a good time. It is a good time. So I'm looking more and more forward to Mondays because we do the podcast, and then we stream the games for Flippin' Out. It's just a fun, like I know from about 6 o'clock to about 10 o'clock, I've got four hours of pinball discussion and playing. So I'm absolutely digging it. Yeah, Mondays are hard to get through the day just because, you know, you come here and enjoy it on live. Yeah, right, exactly. It's like the extra weekend day, in all honesty. Well, it is. It's like the extended weekend. Yeah, right. You know, Monday, it's like, eh, a couple more hours, man. We'll be throwing down. Life will be good. Well, before, it was like on Sunday nights, I'd wind down and have a couple beers or whatever and just kind of relax. You know, Monday is just the start of the week. But now I'm saving my wind down day to Monday, to your point, the extended weekend. Yep. Because now Monday, I know I'm going to have a couple cocktails. 2.40 in the morning. 2.40. What are you doing, man? What are you doing, Game Online TV? Hey, that's dedication. We've got to give it up for this gentleman.
    16:05
    So I can imagine you're just coming home from a wild night in France, or you have insomnia. Or you have a child. Yeah, that's true too, right? Yeah. Right. Good times. Hey, be careful. And that glass was paid for by Mr. Steve Beattie. Exactly. Yeah, it definitely is a nice table. Magnus says. The table is nice. I like the artwork. I really like the game.
    16:35
    I wasn't going to be... I was not sold on the game when it was announced, because I haven't been a big follower of the Black Knight series from the original pins, the Black Knight and the Black Knight 2000, but I'm having fun with this game, man. And the music was my concern, because I thought it was going to be redundant, and it wasn't going to let up, but they've transitioned the music clips really, really well. and the animations, especially for Stern, have really come a long way. Yeah, and we have a better appreciation after having Chuck in last week for what goes into these and Deadpool and, you know, just amazing the stuff that goes into these pinball machines, especially the animations. So for those of you that are joining the channel right now, last week, if you weren't here with us, we streamed Black Knight Sword of Rage Ellie, but we had Chuck Ernst in from Stern Pinball. Now, Chuck is the computer animation graphics director over there at Stern. So he's got a team of unbelievable people underneath him that do all the animations on the game. So it was fun having him in. And Chuck's a character, right? He's not like your stereotypical guy that is talking about numbers and is boring. Yeah. Personality, a partier, like he's just a fun, fun guy. Dude, he would come out of left field with some one-liners, man, just when you least expect it. I mean, he kept you on your toes, which is a good time for us. You know, I fed off of him because I could tell he was having a good time. And at that point, as hosts, we want to make sure that he's doing okay. He made me have a good time, like in my own place here. So, yeah, it was pretty fun.
    18:10
    Steve, you got a decent ball there, man. Yeah, these are cool animations, by the way. The hand is cool. The sandworm is cool.
    18:22
    Our buddy Jason Fowler and Matt Kanin named the sandworm Carl. Carl the sandworm. So if you hear us reference Carl, we're talking about the sandworm.
    18:36
    And they host the Slap Save Pinball Podcast. Yeah, Jason has a premium, right? Premium quarter-age? Yeah.
    18:45
    Yeah, which is a nice game, too. Oh, yeah. So when are you getting one of these, Steve? I don't know, man. It's probably going to happen. There's so many pins out. It's crazy.
    18:59
    You know, it's based on budget. You've had like every pin ever made. I've had a lot of the 90s. The 90s is heavy. Dude, what haven't you had from the 90s? Cactus Canyon? I actually saw one of those today. Medieval Madness? What, in a while? I thought you, Bill.
    19:16
    Cactus Canyon. I think it was on eBay. Oh, okay. Starting at a penny. Yeah, I'm sure it went past the penny. It was served not met, so who knows.
    19:29
    Yeah, that hand animation. All right, so it's funny you say that, because literally my wife and I were driving on Saturday, and she saw the new promo for Chucky, and I told her I wanted to get a Chucky doll to have around the house, just because I think the doll is cool. And she goes, no way, it's not allowed at our house. I'm like, well, keep it in the shed. No, because then he'll be in the bathroom. I'm like, you know, she was freaking the flip out, okay? She wants to go see the movie, but she won't let me buy a doll to hang up just for creepy. She knows exactly what we're going to do with that doll, though. She's right. It's going to be in the bathroom. It's going to be under the bed. It's going to be in the closet. It might have a couple of solonides attached to it so it can move kind of funny.
    20:11
    You know what, man? See, the thing is, is I get away with enough crap at my house with the wife that I can't play that game. And she's pregnant, so I don't need her, you know, getting all emotional and crying on me. I don't need that right now. You know. She came outside yesterday, and she's like, what the heck are you doing? Hanging a go-kart from the ceiling of my garage. Oh, nice. She's like, for what? Because I can. To get it out of your way. Absolutely. So what's good in chat today? What are you guys up to? How was everybody's weekend?
    20:44
    We were slaving away on the deck, right? Yeah. I played a show on Saturday night, too. Late night. Pinball Nerds, what's going on?
    21:02
    Just buy the doll, Team Low Prices does. He is good. Just get it. Buy what? Buy the doll. Dude, I'd have to hide it, man. I ain't trying to get all crazy like that. You know. I'm telling you, dude, she would flip if I had that in the house.
    21:20
    Doesn't mean that I won't. Just she won't see it until after our son is born. Oh, shoot again, Ken. You want me to take your extra ball?
    21:28
    Hey, now. Good stopping by. Wow, look at that. Team low prices. I might be buying it and sending it to your house. Yeah, Ken was doing a damn good job on that Carl, there's Carl So what's up with the cart?
    21:53
    Oh, it's getting hung from the ceiling in the garage What's up with it besides that though? That's it Did you just recently buy that? Yeah, dude, that was the one that I had when I was a kid Okay That I found, that was stolen and I found it in Woodridge and bought it back Wow Yeah, so, dude, that car's not going anywhere. I got 3A's shredded rock hanging down through the ceiling, and, dude, it's literally getting hung up above the door. So is it currently working?
    22:16
    I have not put gas in it because if I do, then I'll have to, like, treat it and all this and that because it's a brand-new motor. You're going full whirlwind on it. It's a brand-new motor. No, I'm not yet. Brand-new motor? Absolutely. No gas? No. The other one I actually drove around the block the other day. That was pretty funny. Neighbors looked at me like I was on crack. Am I missing a lot of pinball talk? Absolutely. A lot of pinball. All right.
    22:41
    For those of you that might have got confused, this is a pinball channel. This is a flipping out pinball streaming network here. Not Carding Plus. Let's get caught up on chat here. Are we all caught up on chat here?
    22:52
    I think so. Yeah. T-Lo Prices, what's up? Albert's here. You know what? This game is puzzling to me because I have yet to figure out how to really capitalize on scoring. So a long ball for me doesn't really correlate to big scores. So that's kind of where I'm struggling with the game. And unfortunately, I won't have it here long enough to really dissect that. But for those of you that are going to get this game at some point, I encourage you to look at some of the tutorials online. I mean, we know the basics of the rules and how to get things going, but there's always a way to kind of blow up a game. And if scoring is your thing, you're going to want to look into that.
    23:32
    We do not have a Twitter account set up. And the reason behind that is that social media within itself is a pretty big undertaking for anything. And for us to kind of do this kind of stuff part-time. I don't know if Zach at Flippin' Out has a Twitter. He might. So if Zach's here, let us know.
    23:54
    Team Low Prices. Yep, we just updated the code tonight. The new code that was uploaded by Stern Pinball today is on the machine. It adds some modes. It adds some ball saves. Without a lock lit, I believe if you, on your last ball, if it goes to the left drain, you get a second chance for upper plate field shots to save your ball. And if it goes to the right drain and you're able to hit the ball save, the MagnaSave button before it hits the trough, you get an opportunity to save your last ball, too. Wow. So that's kind of in there, which is good times.
    24:31
    So we are exploring the new code with you guys. And for those of you that might not know who we are, Oh, you're good. You good? I am Ken, and this is Bill. We're from the Special Windley Pinball Podcast. We podcast out of Chicago, Illinois, every single week on Mondays and Tuesdays. We've been doing it for a year. Our one-year show is coming up next week, so we're going to be celebrating that. If you get a chance, go to our Facebook page. It's Special When Lit Pinball Podcast. Like the page because anybody that's liked our page is eligible for the prizes that we'll be giving away next week. And we've got autographed translights, backlit frames, pinball swag, mods, gift certificates.
    25:08
    So it's just kind of a fun way for us to say thank you. I love Zach. And Mr. Zach Menny is here. His name is Zach, and he's a pinball addict. So flipping out pinball, and that is Zach. He makes all of this possible by allowing us to stream the newest games. He has them shipped to the Special Inlet Pinball Podcast Studios, and we ship those. Now, Wonka is on the way, and if we can get a delivery date set up, we should be streaming that game a week from tonight. So next week on Monday when he comes to see us, assuming our delivery date gets settled with the shipping company, we'll be streaming Willy Wonka. If somebody's looking to get a Willy Wonka, because I know there were lists at distributors, and you might be on a backup list. Zach, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you said you have one or two special editions that are still available. And if somebody gives you a call, they can reserve those, and they'll be within like 10 days or 13 days, right? They can kind of skip the line at the other places and grab a special edition.
    26:13
    So, yeah, Phil Vian, nice to meet you. Good times. Wonka is a great game. I'm super excited to play that in the studio. Well, you played it, yeah. In the studio. Right. I mean, we played it, but dude. But this is not your ideal setup, though. I like... Oh. Right? Gotta be a hater, huh? Hater's gonna hate. Right.
    26:34
    Oh, so you got rid of the other one. So you had two, and now you're down to one. That was on that batch that might have been free or not spoken for. All right. All right, so I don't think that'll last more than tonight. I think that's a done deal. Two things I would like to try to accomplish. One is let's find a home for that last Wonka SBE tonight by calling Zach and flipping out pinball. If you look at the upper left on the banner, his email and his number is there. You can call him and arrange that. Number two, we need to find a home for this Black Knights Order HLE. So the game's in the Chicagoland area. If somebody's local that'd like to come check it out, you're welcome to come in and take it with you. It'll help you load. or if you want to get the game shipped, it's an opportunity to get an LE open box for an affordable price. So I encourage you to contact Zach. Ken and Steve can sign it for you. Yeah. So, Scott, you will be illuminating the Willy Wonka, right? The Penn Stadiums will be on the Wonka Special Edition that will be here next week, I'm assuming.
    27:35
    I hope. No chance. because every manufacturer will tell you our games don't need pin stadiums, but every game I've ever seen has truly benefited from the pin stadium. Yeah, they have. And that's just honestly got true. You know, honestly, right now I'm in the midst of retrofitting all my games with them, so it just makes a huge difference. Yeah, it does. And, again, I think the key with the pin stadiums is not necessarily to blast yourself at 100% LED power on every single pinball machine. Use the app that the pin stadium kit corresponds with and dial it in to your specifications. Customize the game. Oh, come on. So it's great. We love it. Dr. J in the house?
    28:27
    Game on TV says, do not say buddy because I happen to have the song of Mark Hamill who sings, You are my buddy until the end.
    28:35
    I'm sorry, buddy. I didn't know we were messing you up there, man. For 500 bits, I can slap Ken for you. No, there's no slapping unless it's 600 bits.
    28:49
    The physical pun. Hey, I've got some integrity, Bill. It's going to cost like at least $6. At least $6. I thought the threshold was $1,000 last week. Are we stupid lower, guys? No, I don't know. Chuckie Dollar, 600 bits. I think we do have to come up with some type of punishment for those that have the low score tonight on the last game. And it doesn't have to be physical beatings. On the last game or every game? It's up to you, man. Bill's feeling confident tonight. He's having a good ball. He's ready to rock it out. My recommendation was Mallory. How much does 5-Bits do? I don't know. I don't know how much 5-Bits does. In my head, I'm flicking Ken's ear. You know what 5-Bits does?
    29:28
    5-Bits complicates the tax situation. But you know what we appreciate? Wow. Is it me? You just barely creeped by, too. Dude, you creeped by me by 170,000. I went on my go-kart. Oh, okay. All right. I see how it's going to be. Beep, beep.
    29:46
    Loser has to keep the Chucky doll. Dude, well, I'm just going to drop the ball then, man. I'll keep the Chucky doll. I mean, I might be divorced by the end of the week, but whatever. No, I need to get out of the land and check out a Chucky doll. Hey, would your wife freak, dude, if I dropped that off at your house? Probably very much so. Perfect. She's not a fan of the horror. Neither am I, but the doll is cool.
    30:09
    No, we don't have the physical enhancement on here yet. They aren't available yet from Stern, but they will be shortly.
    30:18
    I have no idea what that thing would cost. I'm sorry to detract from our pinball stuff. Stern must have had some feedback about that speeding to the right upper part of the clipper. That's something that, the first time we played it, that's something that was, you know, that stuck out to me. You know, honestly, I thought about just putting a regular star post in the... Yeah, something a little wider, right? Just a bit bigger. You know, just to make it bump out, honestly. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that would have done it. Yeah, I don't think it's terrible. The way that it plays now is fine, too. Yeah, for sure. Tiki pinball the enhancement is Stern came out with a couple of new plastics to they noticed they were having an issue with and also changing one of the posts up top so instead of the ball making the loop up top and going in the drain it bounces up and hits the flipper yeah a la Black Knight 2000, kind of how it bounced off those posts. Yeah. Gives you a chance to kind of keep it alive. That was a small ball I think I might have ever played here. Thanks for the dollar, Scott. Thanks, Scott. I think you said that's a penny. Oh, my gosh. I don't deserve to play this tonight. One bit is one cent. Yeah. One bit is a cent. Yeah, yeah, they might have lied to Jeff, but that's okay. But, hey, more importantly, the wonkas are on the way. So that's all good stuff right there.
    32:00
    I am slightly off your mind, guys. I'm not sure how that's going to work with the enhancements for Black Knight Sword of Rage. I think you'd have to order it. I don't think they have everybody's address. I think you'd have to say you have a specific serial number. they send it to you and cross it off the list.
    32:26
    Well, in the shocking turn of events, I've been slayed by you guys. So I think we're ready for round number two here. So Zach says these enhancements for Black Knight are going to be free for his customers. Yeah, good. Anybody with a Black Knight Sword Rage LE or Premium, right? Get the two lower play field plastics with protector and then the upper play field optional fix, which kind of bumps that ball off that low rail to feed that right flipper. Because, you know, and to Zach's point, and we were talking about this earlier, when you get going in the loops, you can kind of, you know, give a front nudge on the lockdown bar to get that ball to kind of bump up to hit the flipper too. But if you're not a physical player, which some people are not. It's a tight set tilt, though, on the switching, which it should be. Yeah, I mean, it's okay.
    33:17
    one million bits in Canada, one pinball nurse. Yeah, there's not much I wouldn't do for like a million, well, not a million pennies, but a million bucks would be persuasive for me to,
    33:32
    I don't know. We're going to leave it at that. Yeah, so it doesn't take much movement to kind of physically bump that lockdown bar and put yourself in a tilt type situation. So it's not horrible. Pinball Nerds podcast said, I just watched the stream, and it did see the feed off of the upper flipper. I did notice that. I did notice on some slower balls, though, when it kind of popped up, it didn't reach the flipper and it drained. So I think there's some give and take with that mod add-on. The other thing we were talking about earlier is we could just take a rubber ring and do that. And just kind of post it and get it to come up a little bit, too. I didn't want to go modifying a game that we didn't own, though. No, I didn't want to either. Last week I thought about it, but on the way over I was like, you know what, that might not be the best idea.
    34:22
    Pins rule at night with Robert Redford for a million dollars sounds like a movie. It does sound like a movie. With Demi Moore in it. Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson. What's the name of it, though?
    34:33
    Selling My Wife or something? No, it was like... Indecent Proposal. Nicely done. Wow.
    34:41
    Now that would make a great pin. Oh, that might be the one. We got the Goonies. We got Jaws and Indecent Proposal as like a pin. Good pins are subject to opinion. As Robert Redford, you've got to put your balls in all these different holes, and you've got to cash in your jackpots, money shots, and all that stuff. Dude, there was a spoof of that movie, too. Honeymoon in Vegas with Nicolas Cage.
    35:05
    Oh, what's-her-face from Karate Kid? No, that was Leaving Las Vegas, right? That was Leaving Las Vegas. Elizabeth Shue. But Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh, yeah, from that other Sex and the City. Yeah, Sex and the City.
    35:21
    Bill and I, that's where our normal score is here. I'm cheap, $5. So what are we doing for $5? It sounds like a reference to Menace to Society. I got these cheeseburgers, man. Depends on how much I had to drink.
    35:42
    Like that analogy there, Kerry. I was going to be in hospital. In a trending up Dennis shirt. I used to have a hard time with that, man. I would love to have a shirt, but I love Dennis, so I can't say that, you know, unless he was okay with it, I couldn't buy it. But if he was, man, I'm all in. Ooh. You know. Ken with a quick ball, too.
    36:12
    Warm hugs. Oh, yep, buddy. All right. Sorry, just catching up reading here. Hold it. You know what I did? I think it's playing a little fast. I threw a little carnauba wax on the play field today. Because we do like to maintain the flipping out pinball games that are on loan. And we want to make sure we protect that. And it's playing a little bit quicker today.
    36:39
    Which I don't mind at all. All right. Yep. The new code is on here. Yeah, so this is a brand-new code from Stern. It was uploaded a few hours ago, so we are playing that today.
    36:54
    Scott from Penn Stadium says, I told Zach I thought maybe the new enhancement was going to be a toy with a switch to the right of the catapult shot to help make that shot enhance. That was my guess before I knew.
    37:05
    I think we discussed it here. We thought it was going to be something with feeding the right flipper coming off the bottom. I wasn't sure if it was going to be something that was going to tie in with GI or lighting or something to kind of truly enhance what was going on up there, but it is what it is. So, yeah, we are on the... We do not use Pam on the play field.
    37:32
    Although interesting. Not a bad idea. We have not considered using Pam on the play field. So, Lemon Pledge on the mudflap. Yeah, I heard that last week.
    37:42
    She is shooting a little bit quick. A little brutal tonight. Sulfuric acid and, yeah. You know what? That first game, though. Brillo pads. You guys are trying to get rid of a body? Talking about sulfuric acid?
    37:55
    Not yet. No, Bill. Or are you guys talking about cleaning guys? Isn't that a... You went from go-karts to disintegrating bodies in a bathtub. Whatever works.
    38:07
    It's a pinball stream. All right, so what are you guys using this all for? Right, Chucky Doll. Come on, baby. This string gets out of hand. Yeah, we're all evil tonight, I guess, a little bit.
    38:17
    So it's 8.30. We're going to follow the stream up with a little After Hours again tonight. We're going to open up the call in line, so if anybody wants to call and just talk some pinball live, or at that point when it's After Hours, we'll talk about just about anything. So have that in mind. We'll give that number out shortly. Again, for those of you just jumping in, obviously you're here because you're watching pinball on the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming network. I'm Ken, and he's Bill. We're from Special One-Leg Pinball Podcast. Playing the game right now is Steve Beattie. He's our partner in crime out here in St. Charles, Illinois. And Zach provides us with these games, the new games, every single week in which we stream for everybody's viewing pleasure. And it's been a fun time being able to interact with everybody in chat. So thanks, everybody, for coming back every single week.
    38:57
    Pinball Nerds Podcast, subbed at Pier 1. Thank you, Albert. Thank you. You are the man, brother. You are the man. We'll have to do something for us to sign here Next week or two Well sign their Sign their name Yeah we're not autographing stuff Well no We haven't autographed Explain what you're talking about So if you become a tier one member Or a sub We will write your name on the side of a pinball cabinet Graphic That we're going to hang up in the studio Yeah so you'll always be with us In the Special Inlet Pinball Podcast Studio Yeah And then we should have it in the background so people can kind of check it out. Right here. That's going to be a great time. You know what I'm going to do right now is see if I can do this, actually.
    39:46
    Because I'm also a Twitch member, right? Yeah. So I'm wondering if I can air-dive and prime myself. If you do, I'll have to jump that on. Because I'll sub to us for the first month and see how it goes. Because if it disappoints me, I won't re-sub. Yeah, because if we suck, we're not going to subscribe to ourselves. I did. I went ahead and I subbed to Jack Danger in the past. So I'm going to spread the love. I'm going to sub tonight to Special When Lit. Or not to Special When Lit. To Flippin' Up Pinball. And then the next month, I'm going to sub to somebody else who's out there. So like TurboGrafx7 would be great to see. Albert at Pinball Nerds. I appreciate what he's doing. Absolutely. On the streaming side of things. And I know we've got other streamers that are in chat.
    40:33
    Yeah, ruin your 50-month-in-a-row stream. Yeah. I don't know. So we'll see how it goes. Streak? Yeah. Oh, streak.
    40:49
    Sorry, I'm just catching up on reading here, guys, because I was playing and then Ken and I were talking.
    40:53
    Yeah, dude, I know, Dennis, you're not a fan of that shirt. That's why I won't buy one until you give the sign of approval.
    41:02
    Scott wants to know, will there ever be It's Not a Liver or a Kidney special in limited edition t-shirt? There should be. Bill says that quite frequently. In a situation that we all think is serious, he puts in perspective when it's pinball related, saying it's not a liver, it's not a kidney, it's only pinball. No, people get butt hurt on stupid stuff. There's bigger problems in the world. Zach, I think you might have a buyer at $3.99.
    41:31
    What's that? The Dennis Creasel market trending t-shirt. Market trends? Yeah, because I said I wouldn't buy one, and Zach's all about giving one to me. So, you know, it's kind of a double-edged sword there, literally. Forcing it. Yeah.
    41:45
    But, you know, here, that shirt wouldn't mean anything. We'd have to get it signed by Dennis, man, to make it legit.
    41:53
    Yeah, for sure. We need a special and lit liver shirt. Hey, but you know what, though? It's true. There's a lot of people in this world that have way more real problems in this world than not just graphics on a pinball machine. They don't like a theme that came out. I mean, there's people wondering where the next meal's coming from. They haven't got money to fix their car or, you know, real-world problems. So when you see some of these people get so passionate and butthurt about some of this stuff, it's like, you know, walk down to your local economically depressed area and be grateful for what you do have.
    42:36
    So, yeah, all right, I like that, Zach. A dedicated autograph area for Dennis. Now, Dennis would be charging for that, though, for that signature. Classic.
    42:50
    I'd love to have that shirt signed by Dennis. Wouldn't you love to have a Market Trends shirt with a picture of Dennis and his signature because there's a line on it? No, because Dennis is my friend, and if the Market Trends aggravates him, I cannot support it. This is coming from somebody that was plagued by Dr. Phil for many, many months. Right around the left. In our inception of Pinball Podcast. I know. I know the hazing that goes on in Pinball Podcast. I don't. Like, where now I don't mind about the Dr. Phil. When I was getting up and running here, the screw you, kid, grow up well, although fun and funny, was not how I wanted people to remember me as I got into the Pimple Podcast. So now I don't care because legitimately, screw me, I've been around for a year. I'm old news now. Screw you, kid. Anything that I've done as far as making an impression on somebody has already been done. So, like, I'm not, you know, appealing to anybody new at this point. So, no worries. No worries.
    43:51
    I will say that Zach is an expert marketer, though. So if anybody can work it out with Dennis to sell the Market Trends t-shirts or make them available, it'll be Dennis. Yeah, I'm in. And Zach. Especially with the signature area of the left nipple. So we're doing that. Yeah, so Bill never really had any hazing as he got into podcasting. Because he's the likable guy on the show, like everybody relates to Bill. So he's not one that is, you know, as aggravating.
    44:21
    SD Pinball, thank you for following the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming network here. We appreciate it, man. It's good to have you aboard on our pinball ride.
    44:30
    From Ken and Bill at Special and Lit, Pinball Podcast, and our buddy Steve Beatty, who's been our partner in crime.
    44:38
    What else is going on pinball-wise? Of everybody here in chat, we have, I don't know, 20, 25, 30 people here at any given time over the last few minutes.
    44:48
    Is anybody considering getting into a Wonka for their home? I'm not getting into an infomercial here. I'm not going to tell you how you can act now. But I'm just curious because we're excited to have ours coming on Monday. We're excited to stream that. And it's one of those games where I think the overall experience is what really sells the game. So to have it in a closed environment, controlled environment in a house, hear call-outs and experience the game is different than a pinball show or a pinball stream.
    45:23
    But not this house, per Bill. Yeah, so Bill thinks this setup's kind of shitty, actually. He doesn't enjoy it very much. It has to be in his basement where it's clean. I was talking about a quiet pinball environment where you can focus. I'm so loud in here. Right. I know. It is, man. You know, you just kicked the girls out of here earlier. Turn the music down, man. Can't hear. Sorry. We go back in the chat.
    45:49
    Timo Preiss says that he would be in a walk-up, but the price is a little bit out of range. I get it. Jersey Jack pinballs are a little bit more. Got SD though, man. Maybe get it on the used market. Got SE.
    45:59
    And SD Pinball again, thanks for the follow. No shirts and no plans for Wonka, says Dennis from Eclectic Gamers Podcast. slash This Week in Pinball podcast. So he's a double agent right now, Dennis Creasle.
    46:12
    Flippin' Out Pinball says, I have an LE on order for myself and I can't freaking wait. I also have an LE on order for myself and I can't wait.
    46:21
    Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead says, I'm considering, but I need to play it first. Totally get it, man. And I respect the fact that you're open to playing the game and make that decision. Lord Helmet, he ordered an LE for his home. And, Lord Helmet, we have a package that's coming out to you here shortly, too. Stern Pinball is delivering some goods for us.
    46:41
    Actually, Dwight's bringing some stuff over for us on Saturday, so I expect your translate to be in there.
    46:48
    Jobber says, I'm getting one for the home and keep it real. I'm putting it in a room where no one can access, even me. There you go. Keep it in the vault.
    46:59
    Southwest, Pennsylvania Pinhead. I'd definitely get an LE if you got one. Yeah, Ellie's the way to go, I think, on this one. But not necessarily. You know what? I mean, if you don't care about that back mech, that physical ball lock that doesn't come into play so often, that special edition is actually a pretty solid choice, especially for the price.
    47:21
    Prices are never going to go down in pinball. Sorry that ship has sailed. A little better there. A little better. I'd love to get a 2020 Toyota Camry for $10,000 like my folks did in 1989, but that ship has sailed. Yeah. Could be. You can. It just might have slight hail and water damage.
    47:37
    Well, in which case, you would be all in. You'd like to restore water damage to your bills and your mom's jeans. Whatever it takes. Hey, a little bit of spackle, a little bit of paint. Make it what it ain't. Right.
    47:48
    That's what I like about Bill. If there's a cabinet with a nick in it, he won't go in there with the bondo and re-stand. It a complete new cabinet build Hey a proper shop job starts with a new cabinet You know You laughing but you know that my plan on getaway dude My getaway is getting kind of old man and that up for a new playfield and a new cabinet Oh my gosh. I would never have any pin shops if I had to start with a new cabinet. Every time, man. Oh, shit. Honestly, we're going to get Jurassic Park going here in a minute, and then probably I'll probably jump on the cabinet for getaway if I can before the next title porn. So I got the play field and the other harness, and that stuff's ready to go. Need More Pin says, Ellie is the best. Jabber says, yep, prices never go down. And Zach from Flippin' Out says, if I could afford a CE, I'm such a huge Waka-themed fan that I'd do so without any reservations. The collector's edition is the Cadillac, but you're paying for the Cadillac price.
    48:45
    You ain't getting the Escalade of Tahoe pricing. Who's in on Cosmic Carnival, Dennis wants to know. That's interesting. You know, I really want to get time on it while it's got good code. We played it at TPF on just some beta code, and it was cool, but it didn't have the original design. Yeah, the animations weren't there. It is beautiful, though. It's an awesome-looking game. Yeah. So I definitely think there could be something cool there. But before I say I'm going to enter out on one of those at some point. At least see some games. Yeah, we definitely have to see a few.
    49:17
    But, yeah, it's a purdy machine. Purdy. You know what? Yeah, honestly, you have to do give them credit. Suncoast, they are coming out with it. They are making games. They are shipping them. As of right now, there's no rumors that I'm going under or anything crazy like that. Yeah, no, congrats to them, man. That's awesome. They did a great job with that. For how many times have the hobby's been burned with companies that didn't produce or took money or just overall bad business plans, you know, got to give it up to them. Yeah.
    49:54
    Wow, I was the winner on that game, huh? Yeah, so I've been bringing up the rear the last couple games. What I think needs to happen here is we need to go into sort of rage mode. Shot mode? And we've got to blow up the game. All right, shot mode. Ready to go?
    50:07
    Let's do it. We're warmed up now. We've got two games under our belts. I've been playing lefty, so now I'm going to go. I've been playing southpaw. Ready to go righty now. You got three in there? I got three. All right. I just got to get my beverage on.
    50:21
    Everybody in chat, guess how many carnivals sell in one year. So that would be the Cosmic Carnival production of this game. And I will also add, can they keep up with demand with their limited experience in pinball manufacturing? That's the other thing, too, right? So you get 500 or 600 orders of this thing. How long is it going to take? Suncoast Pinball to get these Cosmic Carnivals out. That's a good point. So that would be, I guess, a good problem to have, but potentially a hindrance in your ability to move forward if you're handcuffed by your first release and not have the manufacturing. I don't know enough about them, so it'll be interesting to see. Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead says 41 is the over-under on the Cosmic Carnival. And then Albert from Pinball Nerds Podcast says 88 in the first year. Respectable. I think at the price point, guys, as long as the game doesn't have any serious issues, I don't see why they don't sell 100 of these things. Yeah, I'd say 100. With the Dirty Dining Art Package and a game that flips with some animations and some modes and it's not a service nightmare at $59.95,
    51:31
    I could see them catching lightning in a bottle and selling 200, 300, 400 of these if they play decently.
    51:40
    Yeah, Lord Helmet's in the $3,350 range. I think that works, too. That sounds about right. I mean, it's no pinball mafia game, but, I mean, I think it'll hold its own.
    51:53
    Yeah. Shepard says it all depends. I'll stay at Flippin' Out Pinball. Really enjoyed the podcast today. Going over Gary Stern's interview. If they order parts in the 50s, like SP, then I'd say spooky pinball. Yeah, then I'd say 50 to 100. I definitely see 50, but I could see at least 100 to 200. I'm thinking at least 100. Yeah.
    52:16
    But, I mean, it depends. So how many are they making, 10 or 20 to start off? How long did that take? I mean, what's their capacity? How many can they get out in a week? Can they get out 5 or 10 in a week? Because then at that point it's going to take you a year to knock out 500 pins if you're working pretty diligently. Boogie Man, thanks for the 100 bits.
    52:37
    Hey, Boogie Man. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I will make 200 bits. Cheers. I got a phantom, but phantom meets this. Good times. I'm doing fine.
    52:51
    I could see one game a day. You know, if you got a line of, if you got a good line going, I could see, you know,
    52:59
    two or three guys working on the play field, two or three on the cabinet, two or three on the electronics. And I bet you could do at least one a day then. Very serious question for you, though, and if this catches you off guard, I apologize because we're live. Okay. Team Low Prices wants to know when you do not have Fanta. Hmm.
    53:19
    You want to tell everybody what's really in the Fanta, or is that just... No, we're going to keep that 50-50 secret alone. All right.
    53:26
    But, yeah, they did say 10 a week on Twip, right? So Tiki Pinball chimed in. What's up, Tiki? Was that your very serious question? Was it how many Fanta? When am I without a Fanta?
    53:39
    Yeah. Oh, okay. The question is, without Starbucks. Oh. That's really, yeah, that's the Achilles tendon right now, the Achilles heel right now.
    53:49
    Starbucks. Yeah. It's hard to caffeinate at nighttime. It's hard to wind down. And it's not like you're playing a relaxing game of pinball here. You're playing Black Knight Sword of Raid, so you're ready to jump out of here. Well, you saw my demeanor change. My floor mats. You saw my demeanor change when we were doing... the podcast once the caffeine finally hit. And then Southwest Pinball donated $100, right? Oh, Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead, thank you for $100. And Cary Hardy, thanks for following up with the $11. Thank you, brother. Guys, I appreciate it, man. So, like, the bits are not expected, but Zach has allowed us to take control of those bits to kind of further what we're doing over here. So, you know, we're not asking for them, but they're totally appreciate it. We really think it's great.
    54:38
    Southwest, Pennsylvania Pinhead says, how long did it take them to build 10? Does anybody know? No. I don't know that, but honestly, I can see it's a 10 a week. 10 a week isn't too far of a stretch, which if they're doing 10 a week, I can see, I mean, numbers would dictate you could probably do 500 in a year. I mean, it would be safe and save parts.
    54:57
    Slow down or something like that. I mean, at least 300, which on that game I think would be a good number to get to. Yeah. 300 on that, 180K on the first game.
    55:08
    That's right. Right? Huh? 300. Sorry. 1.8 million. That's the math. 1.8 million. Yeah. Sure.
    55:20
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Starbucks brain would probably move. I might be on a Starbucks. A little Supreme going on there then, huh? Yeah.
    55:30
    Yeah, I would love to have a Supreme. even if I had to knock, knock, build on myself. Dave Fogart in the house. What up, Dave? Dave.
    55:42
    Oh, Dave just went on a Minnesota trip in which he was cataloging his stops. That was pretty cool, actually. Yeah, Dave is back.
    55:50
    Back in the shack. What is it, like 32 degrees with six inches of snow out in Minnesota right now, or is it nice?
    55:58
    Portillo's pinball would be pretty rocking. You know, I'm hungry. Yeah, dude, a good beef sandwich sounds good right now. You know what? Honestly, if you could just get a play field from Supreme, build a cabinet, dude, I could see, you know. I guess I think the hardest part would be getting the programming for that. If I was Stern, I'd have that locked down so you couldn't pull something like that off.
    56:21
    Minnesota has no snow currently. What up, losing kid? You know what? Honestly, I have ideas for custom pins that I would like to do.
    56:34
    No, you can't. All right, so Ken and I were talking about this. I think the Woe Nelly play field design has kind of been beaten to a dead horse, so they would have to re-skin something else. I got robbed on the Magnesate.
    56:48
    Too slow. Yeah, I mean, how would you feel if they reused the Woe Nelly play field on an In-N-Out burger? Another Wonnelly? Yeah. Yeah, no. That's got to be. You know what? It depends. If it just went to In-N-Out Burgers and they just had them on location, yeah, so what? I mean, for advertising purposes, it makes perfect sense for Stern to punch those out for companies. I mean, I have no...
    57:15
    If I'm going to own one of those, whether it be Wonnelly, Pabst, Can Crusher, or Primus, right? Those are the three. Yeah. Am I missing another one?
    57:27
    it would either be Wonelli or passed, probably. I'm a big Greg Ferris fan, and he's the one that illustrated, he did the artwork on Wonelli. And where some find it offensive, and I don't know that it's ideal for me to have in the basement with my kids and stuff, but I am not offended by it. I would probably go with the original, the Wonelli, which was a whiz-bang release by Dennis Nordman and Greg Ferris, who coincidentally also collaborated on the upcoming Stern release of Elvira 3 because they did Elvira and the Party Monsters. Then they did Elvira 5th, and now you've got Elvira 3 coming out. So they're kind of a dynamic duo from the past, present, and now going into the future. So it's kind of cool.
    58:12
    What's up, Josh? Loser Kid 3 is here. I dropped two feet of snow over the weekend in Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Unreal. That's horrible. I'd be depressed. Josh, sign off now, buddy. I don't want to hear anything about snow. That's horrible. We're in the wrong podcast to talk about snow. Jarvis says he'd buy whatever's the cheapest. He assumed it's Wonelli, but changed the code to Primus or Paps and made a swap around. You can absolutely do that. You can swap the code between those Wonelli games. They'll all play each other's code. It's the exact same board sets and layouts and everything. That's kind of the lure of owning one of those is you can't jump in and throw Primus into it and stuff like that. I would be down to owning one. And you know what? You could actually, like, you could re-theme it yourself because it's undergone so many different transitions and just throw different code in there anyways. I mean, you could re-theme it with Onelli if you wanted to. You just need to find a waterlogged one and stand on the play field and have some custom artwork done. Hey, this week in pinball, Jeff Patterson is here. What's up? We are honored now. What's going on, Jeff? Jeff's going on a little hiatus next week, but before he goes on vacation, he's checking in to see what's going on. Team Low Prices has the Spider-Man Home Edition reskin or a Onelli reskin. I know. Ooh, that's a good question. Because Supreme was the Spider-Man movie again. Yeah.
    59:27
    I don't know. That's a really good question, actually. We'll leave it up for chat to kind of discuss that. What does everybody think? Can you put longer flippers in a Wonelly? You can put longer flippers in anything, but I don't think you'd ever drain if you had longer flippers in a Wonelly. Doesn't it have a center post, too? I'm trying to remember. I don't remember. You've got the little stubby ones. I have an idea, though. Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead, thank you for the 100 bits. I sounded like Jack Angel right there.
    59:53
    Hey, what's going on? Thank you so much for the 100 bits. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. So, you know, one thing. We're going to jump around here on the pinball thing. Sorry. I just touched knees with Steve, actually. Things are heating up in here. It's getting hot in here. No, no, no. I'm going upstairs if that's your plan.
    60:13
    But, oh, Dave with 100 bits. Thank you, brother Dave. Thanks, Dave. Hey. Thanks for the honor, buddy. So last night I was on Facebook and I saw the scene from The Dark Knight with the Joker. We walked in the room and he's like, I'm going to make this pencil disappear.
    60:35
    You know, slams the guy's head down. Pencils. Oh, yeah. It's gone. So tell me how cool that would be to have, like, one of these amazing artists take a black knight and redo some wicked art on that. Yeah. That would be almost a dream theme then for me, because the art on that game was not as great as what I would like. Yeah, that was an early one. It left a little bit to be desired on that game. But I just thought, you know, like a zombie yeti or a Chris Franchi doing something up on that game would be awesome. Big Jedi, what up?
    61:10
    Yeah, yeah, the band was only temporary. So. All right, sorry, guys, you're getting caught up. It was. You know what? I mean, honestly, you'd have to go back in there and add the original voices. I mean, it would be a lot of work. You'd have to literally stay on a play field, have all brand-new custom art done for it, and voices, and I'd probably change it around a little bit. But I think that would lend itself awesome to re-theming that specific game with awesome artwork.
    61:43
    That would be a good one. The Batman Dark Knight. Not back night. All right, let me jump on the game here. Ken, what do you think? You saw The Dark Knight with Batman, right? Yeah. What do you think about that game? Because that game kind of was... Wait, wait, wait. Did I see what? Batman, The Dark Knight, The Pinball Machine. I had one. Yeah. Okay, did you ever see the movie? Yeah, Batman. Yeah, The Dark Knight with the Joker, you know. Look, it's gone. Yeah. You ought to know why you guys bought it. Yes. I think that game would lend itself very, very well to a re-theme. Sand that play field down, have like Franchi or Zombie Yeti do some custom art on there, throw the original sounds back on it, and make some custom plastics.
    62:31
    That's like 90% of games that have ever been released would lend themselves well to that exact scenario that you just said. I'm going to go do something I might do a little better. Let's do this thing.
    62:44
    Jeff, I have a question for you, and I don't know if you're at liberty to discuss this or not, but it came up in our Facebook chat today. We had a – so we announced today, and it's been all over Facebook, like, so Wonkas are shipping. And then I had a listener of our show that posted in our Facebook page questioning why – and I'm sorry if I'm putting you on the spot here, but he was questioning why TWIP had reported that Wonkas were not on the line, but then like a week or two later they were shipping.
    63:16
    And I didn't know if you wanted to offer any correspondence on that, because I know, I mean, the integrity that you have within the pinball industry is not questionable, but as far as the information that's being fed through TWIP, are you at liberty to speak about that?
    63:35
    If that's something you want to do. Hey, what's up, Ryan C? Ryan C is here. G'day yourself, mate. How are you, man?
    63:41
    And in fact, Jeff, if you want to, because we're going to go to the after-hour segment here in a little bit. If you want to call in, we can take a call if you want to talk about that. And if you don't, my bad for bringing that up. So that's my fault. Yeah, it's good to see the Australian contingent here on the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming network. It's always good times. Yep, top name. Birdo Drink One says, What if Chicago Gaming did Tales of the Arabian Nights as an original Aladdin with the amazing Robin Williams call-outs? Would that be amazing? Yeah, that's an interesting scenario, actually. You can think of a lot of different ways that you can take a game and tweak it to make it more interesting or more appealing. And even taking older games and just kind of updating them. And for people who want to have fun, I mean, grab a pin soundboard and grab any Bally Williams pin from, like, the 90s and go to town and redo your own, like, orchestration musically. It's not hard to do, and it's fun. You can transform a pin. You don't have to say what if or imagine things. Like, you can actually take the ball and run with it, take things in your own hands and start your own re-theme. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
    64:51
    Yeah. So, like I said, I was just thinking about that last night of, you know, finding a wrecked one, sanding it down, and getting kind of goofy. Right. Of course, my wife's like, so you really have the time to do that? And I'm like, just a bit outside the time to do something like that, but the idea is cool. I hope I didn't make Jeff Patterson from This Week in Pinball upset. He disappeared from the chat. My apologies if I did. I wanted to ask the question because it had come up, so my bad if I went a little bit too in-depth there.
    65:26
    All right. I think it's a player three. That's me. We didn't get the new upper play field mod yet. That's not quite available yet. But once it is available, we'll go on this game, though. Yeah, pin sound on the Data East are pretty cool.
    65:40
    Dave and I talked about pin sounding the Jurassic Park. So that will happen, Dave, when we get it. So, Ken, I'm reading for Jeff here. I reported what Jack Ganary told me. Found out today he lied to me doing damage control now and sorry about all the incorrect reporting from this week in pencil This weekend pinball
    66:07
    Canceled my le on Wonka today. Oh Wow that really that's a that's a bad deal there Sorry, Jeff. Well, we got nothing below for your brother I think the most the only reason why I'm at is because we haven't seen you in a while But that's something that's not below right there
    66:26
    Yeah, lethal weapon three would be cool, Dave. Jeff says no problem. He's just never going to talk to you again. I'm kidding. I added that last part. Oh, my God. Yeah, don't get too hurt there.
    66:40
    Oh, wait, I got a last chance here. Oh. The new code just threw me off. Wow, look at that. I got to lock three balls here, right? Yeah. Now, the lower field flippers are disabled here. So, essentially, I have 23 seconds to lock three balls. in that mech. Oh, that's fun.
    67:00
    Which I can't seem to hit at all today. How about 72 minutes to lock one ball up there? You know, it's funny because before we started streaming, I threw one game down to kind of get my groove going. And I actually completed this mode. I couldn't do it now for $100, but I actually did complete it. I locked all three balls and was able to save my game. That is cool, man. Oh, no, two balls. Sorry.
    67:31
    Sorry, let me catch up, guys. And that was literally offered to me because I had such a bad game. That was then offered for me to try to save some face on my last attempt, on my last ball, and I couldn't even take advantage of that. All right, so, Ken, are you in on a Pirates LE or a Wonka LE if you had to pick one? I'm already in on a Wonka LE yes no no but if you could pick another one there are no Pirates LEs ok well I'm just reading but if you could pick one ok so I have more time on Wonka honestly than I do Pirates I would still go Wonka LE that being said Pirates surprises me and it's not that I didn't underestimate it I just haven't been exposed to it as much so I was talking to Eric two days ago about getting some time on there. And we might have a situation where we can get some time on a Pirates LE for personal use. So we'll see. Right now, man, it's an exciting time to be in pinball because we've got all these things that are coming out. I mean, we're streaming this. And then next Monday we've got Wonka coming in. And then three weeks, four weeks after that, you're going to have another release from Stern Pinball. You've got Chicago Gaming that still has the Monster Bash stuff that's coming out. You've got Cosmic Carnival that's now coming off the line into people's homes.
    68:51
    You still have the wild card deep root down the road to see what they're going to do. So, I mean, as far as, like, pinball releases and trying to keep up, it's impossible. You've got to get out to these pinball shows. Pintastic is coming up this weekend, so it's a good opportunity for people on the East Coast or traveling to try to get out and see some stuff. I imagine JJP will have a pretty big showing there as we get caught up into chat here. A little drama in chat there. Switching to AC. Jeff's switching to Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. Wait, wait. So bring me up to speed. So Jeff said he got bad information from Jack at Jersey Jack. I think we need to discuss this. I would rather call Jeff and find out exactly the story before talking about it. Just in case we get something wrong and it gets misrepresented. Then Jeff has to report on himself in two weeks about how something was wrong. We don't want that. We're friends with Jeff. We've got a lot of love for Jeff. So, no, hey, no sorries. Yeah, there is some strong takes going on in chat right now, interestingly enough. And, Zach, with this being your streaming channel, I'm not sure what direction. This might be suited for after hours, which will be coming up here shortly. The after hours segment, we can talk about anything we want, and you can ask us anything. And we have a live call in line, so you can actually call in, and you can talk, and you'll be on the air. Yep. And we'll discuss pinball or anything that makes everything tick. Jeff, don't apologize. I apologize for bringing it up, actually. Hey, Jeff, you know what, man? Honestly, everyone needs to be grateful for what you do for the pinball hobby and the community. So nothing in life is perfect, and people get upset over it. You're doing your best. Zach goes, Patterson's bringing some drama to chat, and I can't have media market trends. That's awesome. Hey, hey, hey. We have love for everybody. All right, we're going to jump on another game here. Yeah, let's go. One more game? What do we got? We can go a game or two. It's 837. They're quick games, right? Tonight they're quick games. They're a little quick. Tonight they're quick games.
    70:47
    What is trending right now, Zach? What's going on? I mean, we heard TWIP today. Any last-minute trend? I would imagine Wonka's trending right now because they are shipping. Confirmation on the shipping. A couple new Wonka threads blowing up on Pinside. Pins Real wants to know if the truck is real. Maybe they weren't on the line.
    71:05
    Maybe those are empty boxes on the truck. Maybe they weren't on the line. Maybe they were just always in the truck. Maybe so he didn't want it. Oh, a technicality. Yeah. Where he said, no, Wonka's not on the line because we already built the Wonkas that are shipping. Yeah, they're already. Oh, I see where he's going. I see where Steve's going right now. The truck was actually empty. What if the box comes here Monday and we just open it and there's not a pin? And they're like, oh, we forgot to put the pin in there. Our bad. There's some cylinder block in there.
    71:34
    We did not adjust the upper play field. So I think now we're just kind of giving a little front nudge on the lockdown bar to keep the ball in play a little bit. You know what? I got a couple of those. I'm noticing a little bit of a sticky upper right flipper. Are you noticing that? Where it's kind of a little bit, yeah. So it might be a little. It's like humidity is changing in Chicago. No, I think it's probably spring underneath there. No humidity. I'm not going to get under that upper play field right now. But we'll make sure that it's in tip-top shape for anybody that wants to take this Black Knight Sword of Rage LE out of the Special Inlet Pinball Podcast Studios.
    72:06
    Yeah, that's an easy fix. What else do we have? Albert says, Albert from Pinball Nerds Podcast says, I heard the poor man's Wonko roller coaster tycoon is trending up since Papa just came. I don't know about that one. Maybe, maybe not. Have you ever had any time on a roller coaster tycoon?
    72:24
    No, that's a Lawler game. Yeah, it is. But have you ever played one? A long time ago. Okay. I played one a couple years ago. I was not a crazy fan of it.
    72:34
    Yeah, this is the thing with podcasting. It's been slow news weeks, though. It's great that we're passionate. We can just keep talking about pinball.
    72:43
    Joshua Loser Kid says he won't lie. He absolutely hated market trends, and he thinks it was a bad idea for the pinball hobby. I think he's talking about media market trends.
    72:53
    Bill's After Hours Repair Corner. Yeah, we might see that. Media market trends, that is. He says he corrected himself. Otherwise, Jobber says, it's going back in the yard to get rained on and collect mold. I like it. Fogren says, I was giving good nudges in Minnesota and had some nice upper playfield action. Yeah, you've got to get physical with the game in that upper playfield for sure.
    73:17
    Pinsbrew says, love market trends, although they should be called Zach's Opinion Trends. I think he's nailed quite a few of them. Boogeyman says, loosen it up. It's too tight. Mine did the same thing, that third flipper, that is. Yeah, okay. We could absolutely do that. Yeah. And we could play better, too. I mean, that would help the game, too.
    73:39
    Savagebron says, I thought media market trends was great. Keep it real. All market trends are worthless, according to Dennis at the Eclectic Gamers podcast. All right, I'm going to jump in. I feel good about this ball. Just saying it right now. Nothing below for Dennis and market trends. I smell a hundred million ball. So trending down, media market trends. Trending down is media market trends. That's all I got. It's bad.
    74:05
    Dragormaster, Meister. You know, I've never been to that place, Odyssey Fun World in Naperville. I played one out at Bannerman's in Bartlett, Illinois, and it wasn't in too terrible shape. It played, and the flippers were decent. I just couldn't, I mean, it was cool, but I couldn't totally get into it, so, you know. But, you know, it was still a cool game. I still might have some more time on it.
    74:35
    So, Rollercoaster Tycoon, movie theater? Depends on the operator, I guess, if they're keeping them up. But I kind of expect things to not play or look the best. CNK, what up?
    74:54
    Yeah, you know, okay, so, Garbage, honestly, so I've seen the Metallica at our local movie theater. That was in just absolutely dismal shape. Worse than some of the stuff that I brought back from the dead. Right. You know, and considering it, you know, that can't be anymore. I mean, it's not that old. No, I mean, seven, eight years old. But, I mean, they just did not do a single thing to that machine.
    75:20
    Sorry, guys. Just trying to keep up with Chad here. He's up here. Drager, you're the host? All right, so which one is Drager?
    75:34
    Drager. Okay, all right, Jiggermeister. Steve Drager's in the name there. You know, actually, that sounds like a fun tour, man. A road trip across America finding the most dismal pins. Hang on, doesn't Ren have a pin? No.
    75:51
    Do they? I don't think they do. No, we didn't put Mylar on. Yeah, you know what? I've never actually got time on a Monopoly. But I think that'd be a cool road trip, man. spend two weeks driving across the country finding pins that are in dismal shape and then come up with an award for absolutely worst router machine of all time that still actually turns on. We had a really, really bad Adams at the St. Charles Bowl here.
    76:19
    I don't know if you've seen that one. It's gone. That was a Bill Webb special. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I guess they wouldn't sell that though.
    76:27
    Nope, I tried. Ken tried. But they have a real That was a bad Adams. A real diamond in the rough of World Cup soccer, though. Oh, is that still the WCS stuff? Yeah, dude, for a dollar a play. Ooh-wee! Pinball Roadshow.
    76:46
    Oh, the glass, yeah. That's a star. Is that your red stripe in here? Yeah. You know what, man? I'll pass on a game if the glass is disgusting, too. The glass? Yeah. Our local bar had a new Munsters, and there was just smudges and handprints, like, smears all over it. And I was like, no, I can't do it. Wait, you won't play it or you won't buy it? I won't play it. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to play through the disgustingness. I don't like that either.
    77:20
    You know what I like either is, like, when glass looks clean and then you hit the angle and it looks like there's just, like, spittle, like, on the bottom half of it, from people getting excited and coughing all over it. Oh, yeah. You get those rings, those cough rings. It's like, oh.
    77:36
    And I'm not a germophobe, I don't think, but I absolutely like to have a little bit of pinball cleanliness, I guess. Pinball cleanliness. I guess, which is kind of what I'm looking at. When the flipper buttons on the pinball machine are super sticky, that sucks. Yeah, then you've got to lick them. I will literally. Well, I wouldn't lick it there. but that's when I literally would walk away.
    78:02
    That or when somebody just ate pizza and they have their machines up. That always sucks. Yeah, we talked about that on special. I hate that. Jobber says, our local bowling alley had a walking dead. Someone got mad at it and threw a drink at it. So you had that gross sneer. Sounds about right. Beer, sneer. If you could throw a drink at one game, what game would you throw a drink at and why? because that is, I can see that throwing a drink. I'd probably throw a high-speed juice box so that I didn't get any type of, like, how do you throw a drink at a game? Like, do you remember that? Is it Rocky II or Rocky III when Pauly gets all pissed off and he's looking at the Rocky pinball machine and he takes that beer and he throws it and it shatters the back glass? Do you remember that? Are you too young to remember Rocky? No, I've seen all of them. All right. So, I mean, that's what I think about when somebody says somebody threw a drink at a pinball machine. Oh, the wings So, what I host I'm making french fries I'm making chicken wings What were those Asian things you made last time you hosted? They were like the little pups Those were awesome, man Little crab rangoon-y kind of things, right? Penn Stadium, I might not have recognized it But thank you for the Thank you for the 16 bits That's awesome, buddy I appreciate it And Ryan C., thanks for following the channel, man. It's good to have Ryan C. formerly of the... Ryan, if you're still here, are you still... I mean, obviously, you're always going to be associated with Head to Head Pinball Podcast.
    79:31
    But are you planning on getting back on that show? I know they've got, I think, their 100th show coming up. Just curious.
    79:38
    Always like to know what's going on with my fellow podcasters. Ryan, semi-retired. Does he come back? Yeah, Rocky III.
    79:47
    Yeah, there was the robot, and it was like... Happy birthday, Pauly. And then she started talking all seductive. And Rocky's like, did you teach you to talk like that? That's not a good Rocky. I think I could literally.
    80:00
    I think if I was in a movie theater and I saw this pin, I could literally whip a machine at it, walk away and not even think about it.
    80:09
    The hard body pinball machine. That's just such a. You think about that a lot? Turd. As I said, the machine I think about a lot is the Hardbody pinball. No, no, what I meant, because you guys were talking about, you know, if there was one machine you could whip a drink at Hardbody. Or Bugs Bunny, that Bugs Bunny pinball. Never played that Bugs Bunny. Dude, you're not missing anything. In fact, you've gained time on your life because you haven't invested time into it. Yeah, Hardbody. Kerry's like, Hardbody for the win.
    80:40
    Thanks, Kerry. Scott, we were super cool before anybody. Came in here. Just a little F.O.I. Hard Body's pretty good. Had a beautiful example.
    80:51
    Really? All right, Dave. Okay, the one I played was not in great shape, but just the whole iconic 80s art and crap on that game, just I can't. Yeah. All right, so Hard Body. I stare at the game, and I think of that Olivia Newton-John song, you know, let's get physical. That whole 80s bull. Yeah. This is mine. And it's not because I have a lot of time on it, but every single time I look at it, I hate it and I would like to throw a drink at it, and that would be Raven. Yeah, that's another good one.
    81:22
    No, that's a good one to throw a drink at. Oh, no. I need to throw a drink at Raven. I'm going to go Millionaire. Oh, gosh. It's an 11 average. Yes. Yeah. I owned a Millionaire. That's a great machine to take parts off of. That's what it's good for. That's a great machine. That's a great parts machine. That's a great machine to re-theme to in a dumpster. re-theme it into a garbage alright sorry you know what I never got to play a water world and I've heard that water world is like awesome I'm sure it was the cult following people that jumped on there and said that Raven I played it I didn't think it was terrible but I don't think it was great and most pinball machines I would like to think can be fun in some way Yeah, I mean, are you really going to throw a drink at any pinball machine in the end? No. No, we can part them out. Dude, we had a buddy with a... Thanks, Scott, for the 100 bids. Scott, thanks, man. Got you in the house.
    82:25
    His name's doing good. He's the Rockefeller. He is. Throwing bits all over the place. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I don't care for Olivia songs either, but yeah, dude, every time I see that, that song pops in my head and I want to go find a bridge and jump off of it. Just terrible, terrible 80s. I had a barbed wire for as least amount of time as I could possibly have it for. Can we say thanks to Jeff at This Week in Pinball for subscribing to the channel? Jeff, thank you very much, brother. That mic's hot, dude, so you don't even have to be. There you go. I just want to make sure he heard me. No, we got you there. Oh, he heard. That was a little hot because it's got a little distance on it. Dracar Meister, thanks for following the channel, man. It's good. And I didn't mean to cut you off on your barbed wire. No, no. Because if it's one thing I want to continue conversation on, it's Pamela Anderson-themed anything. Because I was a big Pamela Anderson fan. Pamela Anderson, you know who else I really liked a lot? Maybe just for after hours, is Carmen Electra back in the day. Carmen. Really liked her. And then Jenny McCarthy was okay. And Jenny McCarthy ironically lives like eight minutes from this house right now. If you were 13 and Jenny McCarthy lived down the road from you, would you be riding your bike to buy her a house? Maybe we get Jenny McCarthy and her husband, Donnie Wahlberg, into here to stream some pinball. That'd be kind of cool.
    83:46
    We'll work on that a little bit. Pam Anderson was Canadian, so basically we're best friends. That's true, Albert.
    83:53
    She is Canadian. Pretty cool, eh? Flipping on pinball at Zonrith, who is Dennis Creasel, and Eclectic Gamers Podcast. If you quit, I'll do a Daily Market Trend segment on your peephole cam every day. Loser Kid, Josh says, ha-ha, at Dennis.
    84:09
    What blackmail does Zach have on you? Because there's not a blackmail on Zach. We're going to skip that.
    84:21
    Amosis. If Jenny McCarthy had anything to do with it, no one would make it to 13 and a Vax joke. Hey-o!
    84:30
    CNK, my first game on Black Knight the other day, I Magna-saved three balls. I just wish the button was rounder. They really hurt my hand slapping it. Yeah, the MagnaSave is in a curious position, but it does work. Yeah, I kind of had a glass on one of mine.
    84:44
    Dave said he spent New Year's with Pam Anderson in Kid Rock's basement in 2002. Wow. All right, Dave. Party on. All right, so that's the story for After Hours. Dennis has no comment in regards to Pam Anderson in Kid Rock's basement in 2002.
    85:05
    And I think Cromwell is writing a book. Yeah, well, we'll see. I could write some memoirs. I will tell you that much.
    85:17
    And so I am actively going to pursue Jenny McCarthy and Donnie Wahlberg to come stream pinball with us and then try to get them to be pinball ambassadors just like the Kardashians are.
    85:28
    I mean, they're eight minutes down the street. Wait, the Kardashians are ambassadors? Yes, they're ambassadors now. I mean, we're starting to bar high on that deal. Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead says, Hey, there's a brewery in Pittsburgh area with a barbed wire, a spring break, a pay watch, a hard money, and a stud playboy. Oh, snap. That's like the most raunchy place ever. I'll take the pay watch out of the mall. Okay, yeah. Pay watch is good. But what's going on in that place? What's going on in Pittsburgh?
    85:54
    CMK says, Fogren, a brewery slash strip club. And then Fogren says, Never saw so much Coors Light in my life. Hey, the official drink of Kid Rock's basement. Coors. Hey, 36 packs of Costco now. Coors is like water, but with alcohol. Coors is like Dasani light.
    86:15
    Dasani. The least good of the water. I have to drink Coors on these nights, and it's simply because we start at like 5.30 and we go to 10.30. It's five hours of pinball. And if I'm not drinking, I'm not going to lie to you. It can become a little exhausting. Yeah, you'd be angry right now. So by fueling myself and forgetting everything that's happened over the last 20 minutes, not only am I repeating what's going on for those that are new into chat and keeping them updated, but I also feel like I am. I could fix it. I could get that. Oh, good job. That I'm also being entertaining for myself, my own purposes. It is summer beer. Coors is from the Rocky Mountains. Mountain beer. Coors is like canoeing. Freaking close to water. That's true. Isn't Coors made by Ice Mountain?
    87:00
    Jobber says he does not want to get blitzed. I do not want to get blitzed. Timo Preiss says there's always Fanta to drink. Now, the Fantas, nobody's really privy on what's in the Fantas, and I'm almost certain they're not stock. They've been modded for Bill's pinball nights, I believe.
    87:20
    Zach is complimenting Bill on a save there. Love Coors Light. It's a summer beer. It is a summer beer. And it is summer. Actually, summer just officially started a day or two ago.
    87:32
    Coors Light's and Summer Shandy's. I love Coors Light. Coors Light on a nice summer day, mowing the lawn. Coors Light is... A little pinball after. It's like refreshing. Like, you can... It's not refreshing. It just has no taste. It's just liquid for your body. I go between Coors Light and Corona in the summer. I've had hangovers back in the day where, like, I was very parched the next morning, and I would just drink the Coors Light to hydrate myself. Not even to reinitiate the buzz, but just because I needed some water. Oh, water.
    88:03
    What's the physical upgrade to the game? Do we know yet? Yes. So I'll bring everybody up to speed. Three physical changes to Black Knight Sword of Rage that Stern unveiled today. First are two plastics on the lower play field that they modified to add extra protection to prevent cracking. It was something that they did not notice in their quality control or cycle testing, but some feedback was given that some plastics were cracking. And then third was on the lower rail that feeds the right flipper on the upper play field, they've added a little add-on that pops the ball up off of that rail so that it feeds the right flipper, upper right flipper, so that you can kind of stay up there a little bit longer. So there was nothing that was tied into GI or code or anything. They were physical enhancements, but not anything that really goes into code or changes gameplay too much.
    88:56
    Loserkid says he thought Sprite was always good to mix with Orange Fanta. Okay. I was thinking vodka.
    89:04
    Yeah. Well, maybe a Sprite Fanta vodka mix would be good. Yeah, there you go. We've got some haters of Surly. We got some lovers of surly.
    89:19
    Hydrate height. Yep. Yep, we need a hydration pin. Absolutely. Yeah, so pins rule. That top flipper, it's not that it's loose. It's just sticking a little bit. So somebody had recommended that it might be a little too tight. We have to go ahead and loosen that up.
    89:34
    Yeah. It's very sporadic, so I don't know that it's a spring. we will make sure that that is tip-top shape for the person that is able to walk out of the studio with the Black Knight Sword Array Jelly. Because this is for sale. You can contact Dak at Flippin' Out Pinball to buy this game. And then he's got one Wonka Left Special Edition that you can have within the next 10 to 13 days. You can jump the list at other distributors and snag that pin. Contact him.
    90:02
    Greg Bones, Mom. Okay. Heyo. What kind of crap are you talking over there? I don't know. What is that? Inferno Squid says, I've heard Fanta and Coke is combined to make Mezzo Mix, which is used as a mixer in Germany. Interesting.
    90:26
    T-Mobile Prices says, Zach must have finally made Greg's mom's. See, I'm reading these in real time. I have to breathe you. Flippin' Out says, let's start bidding at $7,000. All right, so we're going to start the Flippin' Out Pinball Live pinball auction for the Black Knight Sword of Rage LE. For those of you that are willing to bid on this game, the starting bid is going to be at $7,000. I need you to type B-K-S-O-R in chat, and you will be automatically entered into the auction. Now, the auction is brought to you by Special Inlet Pinball Podcast, more than just a pinball podcast, a pinball podcast on Chicago. That's my last team, BD, and my partner in crime over there on the podcast, Bill Webb. I'm Ken Cromwell. Hey, here we go. We're going to drive it in. 7K Aussie. I've got to stop talking.
    91:12
    I just realized that I haven't shut up in like 20 minutes. That's because I'm used to playing my turn by now. Bill, you played for a long time there. You've got to kill it.
    91:24
    That's a high of the night. What do you got, like a million, 100 million? No, you didn't break 100. You said someone was breaking 100 this game, right? I did. Okay. Nicely done. Yeah, no commission from Special Inlet. The commission is in the bits there, Zach.
    91:42
    Oh, yeah, this flipper. We've been driving some bits. We're playing location pinball with that flipper, that upper top flipper.
    91:50
    Yeah, this will probably be the last game on Black Knight Sword and Rage within after hours. And then we'll take some live calls, and we'll see where the night takes us.
    92:01
    And, Jeff, if you're still in chat, Jeff Patterson from This Week in Pinball. If it's not imposing too much, I'd love to get you on the line and just talk a little bit. And if you're gone, that's fine.
    92:14
    Before we do that, though, when we transition over to after hours, I always like to have Zach call in. This is his baby, right? So none of this is possible without Zach. And then maybe Zach can talk a little pinball with us and let us know what's going on with availability of machines.
    92:29
    All right. We'll be right back. I'm going to go play my game. All right. Yeah, after this, we'll do a quick bathroom break and live calls.
    92:39
    Sammy Pinball did not find us yet. Pinzerell, thank you very much for the 100 bits, man. Appreciate it. Hey, thank you. Thank you for the bits. Kibbles and bits.
    92:54
    Yeah, I did kind of slap that machine up, man. It had to know how we did. Kerry Hardy just threw 10 bits. Thank you, Kerry. Appreciate it. Thanks, Kerry.
    93:03
    I appreciate it, man. Hey, every little bit counts. Literally. Wow, another 100 bits from Southwest Pennsylvania Pinball Head. Thank you much. Southwest Pennsylvania Pinball Head. Loser Kid donated 11 bits. Thank you much, Loser Kid.
    93:21
    Now, all these bits are bids on the Black Knight Sword of Rage LE, right? So what's the leading bidder at? What is it at? I have no idea. It's at $1 right now. The Black Knight Sword of Rage is at $1. Oh, well, I'll go two bucks on this game.
    93:39
    Yes, it does turn Ken on. Yes, it does. Honestly, I think we're going to do the after-hours show will probably be about a half hour to 45 minutes. Not going to get too, too crazy.
    93:53
    No, no, don't worry. We're not going to sell your game for a dollar. Zach's like... Zach's getting all... Right. Yeah, he's trying to figure out how he's going to tell Nicole that, you know, we're just borrowing the game a little longer. We're working on selling it.
    94:14
    Yeah, no, it's just sticking a little bit. No big deal. No, you can't buy a black knife for $1.50. It's funny, the viewers keep going up the higher the bid goes. I mean, if we get to like three bucks, we might crack a record on viewers on this channel. Yeah, if we sell a Black Knight Sword Rage LE for like three bucks, I would almost guarantee that we get a little bit more followers. I'm sure next week would be freaking huge. If Zach's willing to take one for the team, I think the ultimate payoff, it actually ends up working in our favor here. Marketing 101.
    94:53
    Well, it wasn't really the pledge that was the problem, man. And it was the... It can start at $7,000. I don't know where you guys are getting these at. $475 and a case of Fanta.
    95:04
    I'm in on the case of Fanta. Yeah. Absolutely. Alimony's a mother. Yeah, you screwed. Yeah. The more St. Chiefs.
    95:22
    That upper play field is interesting at this point. Yeah, no, Scott, honestly, this game is for sale. So if you're interested in it, hit Zach up. And anyone else that's interested?
    95:36
    You can have a glass. Oh, you might have competition. Dave Fulgert's talking glass bottles of Fanta for Bill. Oh, shazam.
    95:49
    Yeah, you know what? Honestly, I'm really liking this game more and more. So I think you have an extra ball No it right No you had an extra ball I think I played my extra ball actually Oh did you Pretty sure I did All right
    96:05
    Yep, that's it. Oh. Yeah, buddy. Did I get to write my name in this game, or did I still not? You should, I think, right? You know.
    96:14
    Nope. Bill, I felt the same way a week or two ago. I was like, oh, that was a really good game. That's all right. All right, so Black Knight Sword of Rage will be faded to black here a little bit.
    96:31
    As we cut the play field mic for Black Knight Sword of Rage, we're going to take care of some business here and pay some bills, and then we're going to transition over to the after-hours content on the Flippin' Out Pinball Network.
    96:52
    mics are still live where this is the segment where you get to call in you get to talk to us about anything that you want to talk about it can be pinball it could be something personal we ask that you be respectful to others and respectful to each other and without uh without further ado here go ahead and get this going so welcome to after hours the after hours hotline number is area code 630-283-2888.
    97:24
    I'm Ken. He's Steve. Bill went up to check the oils, so to speak. Check the oil. Yeah. We got a 630 number. Yeah. We got a 630. You know what? Spare no expense on the Flippin' Out Pinball channel. We have a 630 number. Now, before anybody calls, I'm going to have to go ahead and get ourselves into there. And Chris Haper, thanks for joining the stream here. Give us one second here.
    97:50
    the live call-in line is something that's been experimental, so we're still working out the kinks. But as far as I know, we're good to go.
    98:03
    Penn Stadium, just in time for After Hours, Slap Save. Now, Slap underscore Save underscore is actually Chris Haper, and Chris also streams pinball on Twitch. So if you haven't followed him, I encourage you to do so. We've got a lot of pinball personalities in chat tonight. We've got a lot of podcasters in chat tonight. So for those that are coming in and saying hello, we appreciate it.
    98:26
    And Moses says, but what if I hate myself? Is that respectful? Yeah, you can absolutely call and hate on yourself.
    98:32
    It makes us feel a little better about ourselves. So that's actually not a big deal. CNK says, give us a brick shot call, Chris. Yeah, Chris, you want to call in for a brick shot? Before we do that, Zach, can you call into your flipping out streaming channel that you've been so gracious to allow us to host here? Would that be okay? Penn Stadium, thank you for the 100 bits, buddy. You've been supporting us all night, and you are knocking it out of the park with illuminating these machines for us. So thank you, thank you very much. Looking good, Scott. It is looking good.
    99:03
    Lots of talk about pinball-wise. We've got a call coming in from the 812 area code. Hey, thanks for calling the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Network. This is Ken. Can I help you?
    99:13
    Hey, Ken. This is Zach. How are you? Hey, what's up, Zach? How are you, buddy? Thanks for calling in. What's happening? I'm doing very well. I love the people in the chat here. You check this out. We have like, let's see here, like 30-some-odd people. Yeah, chat's going real well, man. The station is rocking and rolling. We're doing okay. I'm going to see if we can turn your volume up. Can you keep talking?
    99:37
    Hey, can you hear me loud and clear there, Chad? Yeah, you're in, buddy. You're in. We had to turn you up. So, ladies and gentlemen, welcome Zach Menny to the show. Zach is the owner of Flippin' Out Pinball and the host of This Week in Pinball Podcast. He also is the co-host. Well, he's the co-host of This Week in Pinball Podcast, the main host with Dennis Creasel, who's in there every other week. I got demoted. Right, right. And then you can also catch him on Straight Down the Middle of Pinball channel on YouTube with Greg Bone. So lots going on, Zach. What's happening with you? What's going on?
    100:05
    Nothing much. I appreciate you guys doing this. It looks good. It sounds good. No more choppy audio. I'm loving that. I'm loving the chat. Everybody in the chat, here's what I'm going to do, you guys. In my fastest voice, I'm going to try to read every single one of you sexy son of a bitches in chat. You guys ready? Before you do that, Zach, we've got some breaking news that just came in to the Flippin' Up Pinball Network, and that is that Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead has just used 100 bits to support the channel.
    100:32
    Wow. So thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. The bits are flying. Bill, if you would, maybe a nipple shot for the Southwest Bears? Dude, I got too many shirts on today, man. I was raining. Sorry. Turn it up. No nipples going on today.
    100:47
    All right. Do the nipple during my bad nipple break. Yeah. Trending down. Nipple shots are trending down. Bill Webb's nipples. As a reminder, chat, everybody that donates bits or donates stuff to the chat does not go to Flippin' Out Pinball. It actually goes to Kim and Bill for their hard work. So keep that in mind whenever you are supporting them or when you are donating. And this just in, Zach, sponsor of the show, Penn Stadium, Scott, has just used 1,000 bits to sponsor and help out the channel. So, Scott, thank you so much, guys. I mean, humbly experienced. And this just in, Dave Fulgram with 100 bits. The bits are flying tonight, guys, and I love it. I love taking some bits all over my face a little bit tonight. It's raining bits.
    101:33
    Hey, it's after hours. We need a little more time. Thanks, guys. So I didn't mean to cut you out, Zach, but news is updating. We want to make sure that we're doing – oh, and Boogeyman. Just use 100 bits. A little Boogeyman. Sharing 100 bits. Thank you, Boogeyman. When the Boogeyman drops off some bits, you know some stuff's going to go down.
    101:52
    Okay, I'm going to read off as fast as I can. Okay. All of these names in chat. Are you ready? Do it up.
    101:59
    All right. Moses Angel will slide another Fiorberto drink. BJ, Bocey, Boogeyman, Carty, Harvey, Cake, Comaran, Rude Cycle Motion, Deep Fogrin, Dirty Toad, Freaker 23, Harley Blue, Hypercoasty 200, Inferno Split, Jabba Rush, Flash 89, Loser Kid, I poop on you, Lucas in San Diego, Lurk, Mack Jedi, Need More Pins, The Pins Stadium, Pins Rules, Savage Brunch, Local, Swabba, Pinhead, whatever the fuck that is, Team Low Price, Tee, Pinball, Traditions Never Die, V&K, Virgo, Proz, Zenfully R, Anarchy, and The Turd Himself, John Red. that's it that was wow you just activated the book of Necronomica like Evil Dead's about to that sounded really strange and awesome anything would be better than that god forsaken Chucky film that came out this last week if I could do a brick shot right now in tribute to Flapdave that movie was shit so the movie's trending down but the doll's trending up right?
    103:02
    such a horrible film I miss old 80s Chucky. All right, I'll see you guys later. Hey, man. Thanks for checking in, man. Thanks for all your support, Zach. We appreciate it.
    103:12
    So that was Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball chiming in. And, again, he's got one wonka left. It's SE that you can get here really short. We've got another call coming in. Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming network. What's going on? This is Jobber. Jobber, what's up, man? Jobber, what's going on, man? What's going on, guys? One of my favorite guys in chat. The guy's here, and he's bringing it every single week, and he's keeping the conversation rolling. Absolutely. Thank you, man. And being a smartass all the way to the bank. Hey, and as my ex-girlfriend said, rather be a smartass than a dumbass. So good for you, man. Yeah, that's very true. So I do try to bestow my stupidity, and it's fun. You're doing well, man. I appreciate it. What's going on with you? What brings you to call in tonight? Well, I actually have a legitimate cabinet restore question, and it's not for a pinball. It's for an arcade game, but a few months ago I got a Mortal Kombat 2, and it had mold in it. So I did the cleaning out and all that kind of stuff, and I think I got most of the mold done. Now I'm getting the dirt and other things that were in there because it was in an operator's warehouse that had water, obviously. And I am curious to see if any of you would recommend me possibly painting over the wood just to give a kind of another layer of something over the old smelly material. On the inside or on the outside? On the inside. On the outside. The outside, it had been converted several times, so it was converted to an NFL blitz. Yeah. And then it was some paintball game from team play.
    104:44
    And the art actually was just painted over with, you know, paint. And I was able to get that off with isopropyl alcohol. Okay. magic eraser. So it's looking pretty good. I think it depends on what you want to do with it. I mean, the collector that wants specific something original is not going to want to see paint inside that cabinet. If you're just looking to hide some mistakes, looking for something salvageable, I think it's okay to paint in there.
    105:11
    Obviously, these things are on display, but somebody that's going to really want something original is going to absolutely want to see inside and see what's going on. So I think it depends on if it's for yourself, if you plan on selling it. It is. Yeah, this is my second favorite arcade game of all time after Pac-Man. So I already have a Pac-Man. And then this one is my second favorite, so I want to have it. Now, I'm not an original hardware kind of guy to begin with. I will put a CRT in it. But I'm going to use computer hardware because I don't want to deal with 25-year-old computers. I don't blame you one bit. I mean, that's the great thing about having a personal collection, even like a pinball machine, right? I mean, if you have something at home, you can paint the inside to hide some mold or some mildew if you wanted to do that. You know, honestly, so I'm sitting here processing your question. I'm not ignoring it. No, no. Thinking about previous experiences that I've had. So a friend of ours had a high speed that was in a barn for quite so many years, and many animals favored living inside of it. And I took the MDF out of the bottom, cut a new sheet, put it in, and before that went into it and sanded it and sprayed it jet black.
    106:19
    Honestly, the smell was fine then. It smelled like fresh paint. It didn't smell like a roach down high speed. The outside of the cabinet was nice. As long as you're okay with it, as long as you do a couple of good coats, I think you'll be fine with it. There's a couple areas where, especially on the back of the cabinet where you put the door in, it's permanently stuck, like these little hinges there. And I've tried to get them loose, but they're not going to, and I don't want to go through the trouble of drilling the screws out and all that kind of stuff and then creating an even bigger problem. So that was where the original idea of painting those and then just putting the back door back on and all that kind of fun stuff. You know, and the other thing that you can consider too, Jabber, real quick is, and we'll let you go after this unless you have something else, is if you take a little bit of gasoline and put it on the inside of the cabinet and then light a match. Okay. You just burn the cabinet down, and then you have Bill Webb build you a brand new cabinet, and then it's like you start from scratch anyways. You're good to go. You know what? All right. So two things, and then we'll let you do your thing. But Kerry Hardy has a good suggestion, spraying it with some sanding sealer, keeping it with the original look on the inside, but seals it and won't make it easier to clean. So thank you, Kerry, for that. Okay. And honestly, if it's a game that you love, you know, bust the table saw, man. Spend some time and build some gear. Yeah, no, and I could. I really could, but the whole thing is that, unfortunately, I could spend a lot of time and do, like, a very elaborate John's Arcade kind of 95-point inspection kind of resource. Yeah, hey, guys, we're in the basement. No, I could do that, but the reality is this cabinet isn't worth doing that to. Like, if it was a cherry example of a Mortal Kombat 2, but, I mean, it didn't have the original control panel. Luckily, I had had another midway cabinet that I had made a fighter control panel for, so that worked out really well and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's not a cherry example of it, but it'll be a nice one for when I have people over. And the main thing is if any of them complain, I always tell them, you remember how you came in. Which, by the way, that suggestion you had about the gasoline, is that what you're going to do with the Black Knight if we don't auction it off? The Black Knight, there's a couple options. gasoline's not yet been discussed with the finality of Blackwell. No, no, no, no. I like it way too much for that. But, Jobber, do us a favor, man. When you figure out what you're going to do, check back in, send us some pics or whatever, and let us know how it turned out. I will absolutely do so, and it was nice chatting with you, and hopefully talk to you again. Hey, thanks for coming in and supporting the stream, man. We appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Jobber. A lot of fun. All right, thanks, Jobber. All right. Yeah, good times. So, Jobber has got a little arcade. Now, this goes into, like, restoration. Now, I know, like, when you see a restoration call come in, you're ready to rock and roll. Like, you're ready to do this.
    109:11
    Arcade restorations are just as particular as pinball restorations to those that collect arcades and pinball. So, I mean, where some people feel like there's a divide there, like you have to advance from arcade to pinball, there's just as many nitpicky individuals on proper restorations in arcades than there are in pinball. See, but would you rather, and this begs the question, would you rather have a restoration or would you rather have something that's brand new?
    109:37
    Next 100 bits and BD chugs the rest of the Coors Light. Go ahead. But, yeah. You know, and me personally, I like having all brand new. I mean, that's why. Oh. We're going to need 200 more bits. I'm on a lock and eat. Oh, he's on a lock. I was like five minutes late. Let me see what he got. The water's gone. Oh, you chugged that. That's not a problem. It's 100 bits, man. Okay, all right. Zach's jumping in. Cheers. All right, cheers. Everybody out there. A little something. A little 12.5% alcohol going down smooth as silk. I'm not even sure this is allowed on Twitch. It's the way that we're doing this. But hey, we'll drink for bits, right? To our flag. Right. I will drink for your guys' bits. I like it. We'll drink for bits. All day. Right. That should be the next issue. Yeah, baby. Special or flipping out special one lit, drinking for bits.
    110:34
    Yeah, all of my beers were refilled by myself. I like to refill my own beers. Well, I actually have to get my own beers. All right. Let's just reach down right here. Are you all right there? All right. What do you have in the bag? I don't even know. Because I've hydrated all night. I'm ready to do something a little bit different here. Dennis, I like your coin phrase there, Steve Biddy.
    110:54
    Steve Biddy. I like that. Oh, T-shirts. T-shirt time. Steve Biddy. We're going to have to come out with a new line of T-shirts. It's got to have like a bucket of chicken on it somewhere. It's got to have Steve with a Lagunitas and like a hundred bits, like a carrot being dangled on like a fishing pole. What's that commercial? It's a commercial. We've got to be quicker than that. Biddy just has a bad ring to it because it could mean anything. Biddy? It's Biddy. I kind of like it. I kind of like Steve Biddy. So, Ken, you want a little something here? You want a little Corona here, Gay? I don't want any Corona. I mean, if anything, I'll go IPA, but I have some in the fridge. All right. So if you want to keep up with your little something, I can grab something else. So, yeah. No, you're good. Switch it up to Corona. Are you going to switch to Corona? Yeah. I'll take a little something. You don't care? I never tried building an arcade game. Oh, really? I'm told it's easier. You know, I'm sorry. I'm just kind of going back to when we were talking about arcade stuff. Well, one day, if there was ever enough time to, I'd love to build one, but they're just, you know. So, built-in arcades are a lot easier, in my opinion, than pinball machines, just because the joinery work and everything is completely different. Just my opinion. Okay. Just my opinion.
    112:05
    A reminder, the Black Knight Sword of Ray Jelly that's here right now is for sale. So, if anybody that's in the area here, Chicagoland area, that wants to come check this out and take this out, happy to load it out of the Special Elite Pinball Podcast Studios. Yep. We'll get you on your way. Contact Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball for information on that. And then finally, again, I wanted to also mention that there is one Willy Wonka special edition that's still available at Flippin' Out Pinball. So contact Zach. No need to wait. You get it within 10 days, 12 days, whatever it takes. So, I mean, you'll have a Willy Wonka. You don't have to wait. You'll be playing on the fourth when all your people come over. A big part of, like, a pinball new release is being the first kid on the block to have that. Yeah. Because what happens is once everybody has it and then yours comes in late, it's just not exciting anymore. You're not cool, so you look into something else. So it's just kind of how it is.
    113:00
    Pinball Nerds Podcast says quadruple IPA is Ken's style. That is absolutely correct. Tiki Pinball. Yo, Tiki shirt is my favorite. Thank you. I am wearing the Tiki shirt tonight. Not selling shirts here, but maybe Zach will let us sell a shirt or two at one point because we have some extra shirts. We're making a little change to the shirt, too, color-wise, which is pretty cool. Jobber says, even my virtual pinball was a lot more work. The wiring alone is three times as much. We were talking with a local friend about getting into a virtual pinball cabinet set up. Yeah, I think that might be. I think you're looking at like a 5K investment. Wow. For something that's going to be solid and future-proof. And we have the knowledge to pull all that off, dude, between the programming, the graphics, and the cabinets. It's just still, I don't know if it's worth it. Yeah, SE on Jersey Jack Pinball is the standard edition, and it's not the special edition. So SE for Wonka is their base model, and it's their most affordable model.
    113:56
    So it's a good starting point. There's not a big difference physically with the play fields between the SE, which is the standard edition, and the limited edition and the collector's edition. So it's a good affordable way to get in.
    114:08
    I think it's a great game for the price. Yeah, no, me too, me too. And if I accidentally said special edition tonight, then that's my fault. Because when I think special, you know what I think, Bill? Us? Special when lit. Yep. And, again, I'm Ken, and this is Bill from the Special When Lit Pinball Podcast. So I encourage you, if you have not followed us, go on Facebook and follow us, because we have our one-year anniversary show coming up next Monday. Nice. And we'll be giving away a lot of prizes. Dwight Sullivan will be coming into the show in that Special When Lit Pinball Podcast. We're out of Chicago. And then Steve Beattie's here. He's our partner in crime. He's been along with a lot of pinball adventures. He's like our pinball producer. We've got to come up with a good title for Steve.
    114:47
    We need a producer. We'll call him. We need the title. We need some more biddies. Steve Biddies? Steve Biddies. I don't know where that's going to go. So Dwight's coming on Monday. Is he streaming afterwards?
    115:04
    Well, Dwight's actually coming in to record the one-year show Saturday night. Oh, okay. Because we have a lot of editing that has to be done. Sunday, and then we need to release on Monday. So no, Dwight will not be. Pretty sure Dwight's not streaming Willy Wonka. I don't think so. With us. Gotcha, yeah, right. But for those of you that saw Chuck last week, Chuck Ernst from Stern, he streamed Black Knight with us last week. Good time. Chuck was great. And I talked to him today, and he's willing to come back willingly. We didn't have to bribe him or get the chloroform out and wait in the parking lot of Stern? I said, got a couple hundred bits, maybe we could talk. But no, he's ready to come back, so he was fun. Yeah, Zach says we need a Dwight Munster stream at some point. I agree. I am working on something like that, Mr. Zach, so we'll see.
    115:53
    Yeah, there's actually a pretty ridiculous Munster stream that's in the works, which goes beyond just a Dwight Sullivan, in all honesty.
    116:05
    News to me. Streaming. Okay. Yeah. Anyhow, Dwight would be involved. Either way, yeah. But there would be more than just Dwight involved. No, yeah. Would we actually have everybody else? It would be Shane McCarthy. We'll be there. No, I'm kidding. We'd actually have to work on that. I think that was a great idea. It's a little ballroom reaction. Carmen Electra and Pamela Anderson, and we're all going to hang out in Kid Rock's basement with Dave Faulkner. We're going to play hard body.
    116:28
    Playing some hard body. We're going to party like it's 2002. Playing Lady Luck down in the basement. Right, exactly. Yeah, Chuck was great, Timo Price. He was one of our favorite guests that we had on the show.
    116:40
    Ooh, juicy. Yeah, a year literally did fly by. A year went by real fast. Yeah, so. Seriously, though. And that's not corny. I mean, we've got such great support from everybody, and it's just been so nice. We've met a lot of cool people. We've interacted with a lot of great people. I talked today on a podcast about a guy that was willing to pull an 1812, a class of 1812, out of Detroit, load it in his car, and drive it here because he just appreciated what we did as far as offering content for him on a weekly basis. We're going to go up. We're going to go into a local call here. Hey, thanks for calling the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Network. What's going on?
    117:18
    What's up, you maniac? What up, Dave? Are you calling from whose basement are you calling from, Dave Fahlgren?
    117:26
    I'm in my garage. I call you guys from the garage. It's Monday. Okay. So real quick, because we can't get into like a crazy story, Give us the two-minute version of how your party ended up in Kid Rock's basement. Was it with Carmen Electra or Jenny McCarthy? No, no. That was when he was dating Pam. Okay. So my friend, I got a really good friend. He actually went to Conan as well. He does lighting. He did lighting for Kid Rock. And he was also doing Cadillac for the auto show. So he was up there setting up the booth, and he was like, hey, man. And this was back in 2002, and I didn't have kids or anything. So I ran up there and said, New Year's. He was like, hey, and it's kind of like this Detroit musical mafia up there. Uncle Cracker's cousin owned a bar, and if I set up the stuff for the DJ, we got to get into his bar's party for free. So spent New Year's, what, the 31st, you know, during the day, and then went back to the room to clean up. Mike gets a call from the road manager, and it's like, hey, you want to go to Kid Rock's house and, you know, spend New Year's? I was like, yeah, let's go check it out. Bob. Hey, Dave, I don't mean to interrupt you here, but we have some breaking news. Pinball Nerds podcast and just used nine bits to congratulate us on our one-year anniversary. So thank you, Albert and Pinball Nerds. Thank you, Albert. Hey, good job. Back to our regularly scheduled story here, Dale. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
    118:48
    I threw off the whole time we were in Tahoe. We're in the basement kind of hanging out with the road manager and what have you. The road manager comes down and he's like, they're at the airport. They wanted to leave and they're coming home and we're not supposed to be here. So it was kind of like Bob and Pam all of a sudden show up with, like, his kid and, like, Tommy Lee. It was like Pam Anderson and Tommy Lee's kid. It was like being at a family party. It wasn't that crazy. Why are Tommy Lee's kids hanging out with Pamela Anderson and King Rock? That's her kid. Same kid. No, I understand that, but, I mean, she had custody. Yeah.
    119:21
    Okay. Yeah, I know. Bob was there with, like, they were in Tahoe, and they were like, oh, let's just go back to Detroit. So, like, they showed up, and we're partying in their basement. See, you can't make this up. His parents were there. That's why, like, the specifics that he's offering here. I got pictures I could show you at some point in time. All right. It sounds like it wasn't a crazy party. It was like a family event. Let me get off my one regret I've had. I really have a few regrets in life. But New Year's hits, and the whole band was there, like the guitar player, all these people. Like, it was all music people and me. I was, like, the one person that nobody knew, but I was being cool. And they're like, we're going to do body shots off of Pam Anderson right now. No, no, no. Listen to this. So New Year's hits. And it was a nice-sized bar in the basement, and Pam's working her way around the bar and giving everybody a hug and a kiss for New Year's. And I'm at the exact opposite end, and she got, like, three away from me, and I bailed. I went to the bathroom. What? I couldn't do it. She didn't know me. Like, I didn't know her. Was she like the Stanley Cup, like everybody had their mouth in her at some point? No, it was like, Happy New Year's, yeah, and then she gave him a kiss, and then Happy New Year's. I mean, everybody was kind of, you know, it's New Year's. People do that crap. But I was just like, yeah, I know where this is going. And I didn't want to be like, happy New Year's. And her to be like, who are you? Get out of here. Get this guy out of here, you know. Kerry Hardy wants to know, who all here has seen the one on the boat video? The boat video? What is that? Family friendly show, kind of. Right? Right. It's getting raunchy, Dave. So anyhow, she kind of got that I felt uncomfortable. And later on, she's like, hey, help me go find some champagne. We go in the back room, and there is literally, I don't know. It was like a semi-load of Coors Light stacked. Hey! She was in case of the Coors Light. It was amazing. See?
    121:01
    I'm like baiting Pam Anderson in with the Coors Lights. She can smell them from miles away. Come, Pam. She was looking for champagne, which was weird because right before that was when everybody found out she had hepatitis. And I'm like, you're not supposed to be drinking. I bet Paul Sir was there, too. Oh, Dave. Dave, can I tell you something, buddy? This is a great story. This is exactly the kind of stuff we want to hear on After Hours. Absolutely. Well, that's why I call. You know, it's, you know, do whatever. But, yeah, hey, Minnesota is a really, I just want to talk up Minnesota a little bit. It was great up there. Yeah. That tilt is a great facility. I mean, they don't screw around. They had that Cactus Canyon up there. That one had a little issue, but it still shot okay. They need to replace their shooter spring. But, yeah, I mean, it was. I was really impressed. I mean, they had a lot of – all their games ran perfect, and that was – and they were 50 cents a throw. Nice. Did you get a chance to see Lloyd Olsen's place in Minnesota? Were you in that area or no? What's the name of it? What was his place? It was the Family Billiards or something, right? What is his place? SS Billiards? SS Billiards, yeah. I didn't. No, because I was up there for a wedding, and the groom is actually a guy I play pinball with. He's a casual pinball player, and he's like, oh, we're going to brunch, and then we're playing pinball. So we went to Mortimer's, and we went to Tilt. And it was really hot, and I was with Bob, and he was like, man, you know, you met Bob. He's like 300 pounds. He's bigger than me. And he was just like, oh, it's too hot in here. And he went outside. He's like, it's hotter outside. And then, yeah, he was expiring, and we had a – Well, Jobber says, listen, dude, he says, hit me up next time you're in Minnesota, and he'll join you at Tilt. Nice. And you can probably bring back a restored Mortal Kombat game.
    122:46
    And, hey, I was representing. I had the shirt on, and absolutely nobody commented on it. What shirt is that? I figured if there was like a special and lit shirt, I was like, okay, if I'm wearing this shirt and I put it on Facebook, I figured somebody would be like, hey, you know, and I was just like, no, nobody. Yeah, you know what it is? We haven't hit the Minnesota market yet, so we just get that one right to Canada.
    123:07
    So branch out. We haven't aggressively marketed Minnesota yet. Yeah, go ahead, David. We're going to let you go. What's up? But it was Pride Day, too, yesterday, so it was like downtown was just packed. Wow, nice. With all sorts of people. So it was just like, whoa. So it was interesting looking out the window, and there's, like, people fully decked out in, like, latex. Different dynamic going on at that point, huh? Well, I was waiting to get on Circus Voltaire, you know. Well, they're all outside. But, yeah, it was busy. It was a circus outside, too, though.
    123:36
    Yeah, it was very interesting. It was a very interesting day. Nice. Well, Dave, next week we want to hear more about your adventures outside of pinball because this basement story. I've got some inside pinball adventures as well. So, yeah, we could do the adventures in pinball. Maybe we have a little after-hour segment with Dave Fulgren. The after-hour. I have to ask the boss. I have to ask Jack if we can do that. Thanks for calling in, brother. I appreciate it, man. It's always good to see you in chat, and thanks for supporting this stream, man. All right, we'll talk tomorrow, Dave. Let's get the Bit Bonanza going. Let's go. Hey.
    124:05
    We'll drink for bits. Good job, guys. Thanks, brother. Thanks, Dave. Always good to hear from Dave Fulgren. It's good times. Dave's the man.
    124:15
    Yeah, as we get X-Play with Morgan Webb. and that guy. So Morgan Webb, I remember Morgan Webb. Wasn't she a she was like the host of X-Play, right? Like it was a video game show.
    124:28
    And she kind of had that like nerdy sex appeal to her at that time. I did used to watch that. He says, Dennis says I laughed every time they pretended to play the unplugged console.
    124:43
    Hey, Chris. Chris Haper. You're here in chat right now. Do me a quick favor if you don't mind. Reach in your pocket and pull out the cell phone, not the other thing, and dial 630-283-2888 and give us a quick brick shot because we have not heard a brick shot lately. No, it's been a while. And the last brick shot I heard was him guesting, he was a guest host for a segment on This Week in Pinball and I do miss the brick shot. So Chris, if you could help us out. I would love to have you come on and do a little Brick Shop. Impromptu Brick Shop. And if I know Chris right now, he's having a couple beers. Oh, yeah. And he's probably playing the Oktoberfest that was here in his studio because he was the one that took that on. Oh, yeah. So Chris Haper, I think that was a nice little transition for you. The two-inch flipper. Lord of the Ring Breath. What is the Lord of the Ring Breath? It doesn't sound good. Lord of the Ring Breath wants to hear some more of Zach's Elvis impersonation. Now, that's not allowed back on the show unless Chuck's here because Chuck's the only one and appreciates the Elvis impersonation.
    125:50
    And then Dennis says he likes how we think that we can just command Chris Haper to summon the Brick Shop. We can't command him. We can just rub him in a bottle or nothing. Right, right.
    126:03
    Flipper is probably sticky. A lot of sticky stuff going on these days. Let's see who we have here. I think I might know who this is Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball Network What's up?
    126:22
    Quick shot! Oh yeah! Chris, what's up man? What's up brother? What's going on fellas? Nothing man, you know what Dennis was just giving me some business about summoning you but I know you did this on your own accord with a little bit of influence so I'm happy that you're joining the flipping out streaming party here. Thanks, man. Yeah, thanks for having me on, boy. So what's going on? How are you liking that Oktoberfest that you took delivery in? Oh, very nice. Are you liking it, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, there's so much to do in that game. Right? The code just keeps getting better. The graphics, you know,
    127:02
    I was a big complainer, let's just say, about those graphics. The animations on the LCD. The animations, yeah. They have definitely turned around since that last code update, for sure. You know, one of the most noticeable improvements I saw that bothered me originally was when it would go to the crowd and it looked kind of like that black and white static photo. Yeah. Exactly. That's gone. Yes, that's gone. That really came out so much nicer. Right. Yeah, they added that color to it and that fadeaway. Yeah, it really spruced it up for sure. So did you get a chance to watch the Stern stream today where they added the play field enhancements to Black Knight Sword of Rage?
    127:41
    No. Okay. Unfortunately, I didn't. I missed it. I was hanging with the kiddos this evening. No worries. Do you have a Black Knight Sword, Rach? I do not. Okay. You know, I played that game up in, what was that show, when Wonka was rolled out. And, you know, I think I got enough in my collection of kind of that upper tier play field area. I think there could be more to do in the game, but yeah, I didn't see it, so I don't know what was added. It flew me in a little bit. No, I mean, and we'll jump past this real quick, but they had improved two plastics on the bottom of the play field, and then in the upper play field where you try to complete the loop with the upper right flipper and it comes around on the lower left rail, they've added a little bump where it kind of pops the ball up to feed the right flipper instead of it going straight down and getting to the lower play field. So it wasn't anything major, and it's an optional upgrade, but it was something that Stern offered based on feedback, and it's free, so that's kind of cool. I like that. What's up with you and Waka? Now, do you have time on Waka? Have you played it? Is it a game that you could see in your game room? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have played it. You know, that was part of going up to Wisconsin there for the rollout was to definitely get some time on it. Shoot, I've probably put 30, 40 games over the weekend on it. And, you know, I'm happy where it sits, you know. Now, granted, I have a larger collection, so I can kind of play a few more games into my collection where I kind of see fit. And I could see that one fitting in pretty nice. it offers a very fun unique pinball experience and I'm excited to have you play it outside of a show because when you're at a show there are so many other things it's like almost sensory overload so if you enjoyed it there I can only imagine how much you'll enjoy it when you're in the privacy of your game room, your basement, you've got one of the nicest game rooms I've ever seen from pictures that you've shown me it's amazing so good Yeah, you know, luckily when I was at the show, so I waited to the end of the first night after reveal, and, you know, there wasn't too many guys playing, so you could hear what was going on. You know, I was still amazed. I thought the game, you know, it shoots real well. There's a lot going on. And I think it's, you know, again, it's one of those co-things where, you know, there's enough on the play field that enough to do that it'll only get better. and that was kind of the thing that drew me into Oktoberfest. Like I at first really didn't give it, you know, a double look. But then when I played it a couple more times, I was like, holy cow, there's just so much going on here and so many different ways to play the game. It was incredible. It is. There's so many different shots. There's so many different tents which introduce so many different modes. Have you gotten into any of the mini wizard modes or the wizard modes yet? uh yeah i've done the what is it the duck race i've gotten into that a couple times have you been able to help the poor venus dog that can't go down the slide because he's too scared by himself that was always great that's my you know what i'm talking about chris it's my favorite freaking line of pinball oh look at the board yeah it's awesome man it like makes me want to go outside go outside and like like help a dog across the street or something. It's just like, it tugs at my heartstrings. I'll tell you what, you know, the more and more you listen to the music that they put in it, the more and more I want to go to Germany for the real Oktoberfest. Right, though? I don't know where it is. Oh, man. It does pull you in. Chris, nobody's going to understand this except for us, but what course is that on Golden Tee, where it's like, it's the German course. It's like, hey, Golden Tee. Hey, Golden. And you know what I'm talking about? Like they got all the oompa music going in that.
    131:55
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it reminds me of playing pinball. It's such a fun party pin, man. It's such a great atmosphere for drinking with your buddies and just having fun. Exactly, exactly. Now, I will say, though, I did play with my neighbor, I don't know, last weekend, and we were pretty tanked up. I was like, dude, come on, let's go back to the house, you know. Nobody's around. Let's just crank it up. And that game kicked our ass big time. but then the next morning I woke up and just blew it up. So it's like, well, you know. That's awesome, man. Hey, before we let you go, do you have an impromptu brick shot for us tonight, or are you just taking the night off and just chilling it up? I have one for you, but here's how this is going to go. It's going to kind of say how my day went. All right.
    132:38
    Brick shot, oh, yeah. So listen, all you guys that grew up back in the day, you hang out at the beach, You load up with suntan oil. You got Tropicana doing the darkest shit you can, so you want to get that deep, dark tan. Let me tell you something. 30 years later, it does not do good on your skin, bros. Okay? Yeah. I had a little trimming done today on the face, on the side of the face. Oh, okay. I had a little skin cancer before in the past on the arm. Yeah. Today was not good for daddy. Oh, man, you doing okay, bud? Sorry, man. Yeah, I'm doing good. You know, just got to kind of make it through it. But, hey, you know what? Let me tell you something.
    133:22
    Spray your face. Yeah. Cover yourself. Yeah. And Mylar up with a UV protection. Oh, dude, just put the Mylar on your face, dude. Like the UV. That's right. The F90 Mylar. Man, you know what? Well, listen, I'm sorry to hear about the setback, but I'm assuming like you've got a clean bill of health going forward. You address this and you're good to go, right? That's right. Go see your doctor, boys. All right, man. Life is too short. Well, listen, it's good hearing you. And thanks for coming on. Thanks for your contribution. Thanks for everything that you've done for pinball. And I'm looking forward to seeing or hearing from a little Chris Haper in the future, not only with Brick Shop, but maybe another future endeavor, man. So I hope to have you back in the media here sooner than later. All right. Sounds good, guys. You take care. Be good, brother. Thanks, Chris. See you. Brick Shop.
    134:11
    Oh, good times. Hey, Pinball Nerds Podcast donated 100 bits. Not necessary, but thank you so much. And Kerry Hardy, 10 bits. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Good to hear from Chris, right? Yeah. So for those of you that don't know, Chris used to be the co-host of Slap State Pinball Podcast with Jason Fowler. And now you've got Matt Kanan that stepped in to fill Chris's shoes. We've got another call coming in. Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball Network. Hey, what's going on, Bill and Ken? Hey, what's up? Who are we speaking with? Hey, you got Josh with the Lever Kid Pinball Podcast. How's it going? What's up, Josh? How are you, man? Not much. Hey, I was calm because I'm going to still Chris's segment for a second and do a brick shot of my own. Okay. Well, now realize you're stepping into some shoes here. You can't just half-ass it, Josh. You've got to go full-fledged brick shot with cuss words and everything, probably. I might say a lot of piss. Does piss count? Yeah, piss works. So you're at two right now. All right, piss. All right. Okay. So here's my brick shot. Okay. You spend almost a year setting up a pinball show, right?
    135:14
    You do all this work. You get all these pinball machines to show up. Like we're doing the Salt Lake Gaming Con this weekend, right? Okay. So we've been dealing with – not a distributor, sorry. One of the pinball manufacturers, and they promised that we would have some form of – I don't want to, like, diss on them because I still respect them. But, man, they told us we'd have their pinball machine there. And the last week and a half after we worked hard and freaking doing the show for four months solid, like trying to book this out and theming all of our pinball tournaments and everything around this, we got a message this morning saying they were not going to fulfill on their end of the deal. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, you've got to be joking me. You know what I'm saying? That sucks. It freaking pisses me off. Well, there it is. you fulfilled that. Man, I'm sorry to hear that, man. That's frustrating, right? So what are you going to do? What's the alternate plan here?
    136:14
    So I guess we'll just keep it themed the way it is, and everyone will just kind of scratch their heads at why the heck it's not going to be there. And, yeah, you can't shut down the show. We've got plans. So it's a video game convention mixed with pinball, and we have over like 100,000 people that come through on the weekends, and it's going to be insane. Josh, if you get a chance, down, you know. Next time when this is going through, this is the first I've even heard of this show. I would love to have mentioned it and just help spread the word on our page or podcast or whatever. So if we can help moving forward with any of this stuff, please let us know. Yeah, anything we can do. Always like to promote shows. We love it because they give us the space for free. They're really nice because they want the pinball machines there. Right, right. It's all like, our whole team in Salt Lake takes care of everything, man. We've got a, they give us a bigger section this year. It's 50 foot by 70 foot, and it's just going to be packed to the brim with pinball machines. Let me ask you this. Have you ever gone, have you come up to Chicago for Pinball Expo before? I haven't, but I want to. I know that, you know, I've talked to Deadfoot. He wants to hang out, do a stream together. I've talked to you guys who want to come hang out with you guys. I just need to come up to Pinball Expo and check it out. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with Expo because you get all the bang for your buck without the enormous crowds that prevent you from playing games. So it's just one of those things. So, yeah, I mean, we'd love to invite you out and hang out and have you a personal guest. I know myself and Bill, we were going to try to work something out this year. We were going to host a little bit of a special when lit welcome party at the Expo with Bill's wife deciding to have a baby at that time. That's about my consent. I don't know how that happened. I wasn't there. I don't know what you were doing nine months ago. Yeah. The mailman. Right. Coming off a TPS. That damn Amazon Prime delivered more in two days than we're expecting. That's all right. But we've got to have you out and have Scott out, and then he can come to a local bar and play Black Knight Sword Rage with me, and I'll take his money.
    138:13
    Either way, do you Airbnb your house? Can you send me the code for that? Yeah, whatever you need, brother. We got you. Thanks for breaking in on the podcast scene. Thanks for everything you do with Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. And for those of you that have not listened, check out Loser Kid Pinball Podcast with Josh Roop and Scott Larson. You can find them on Facebook.
    138:35
    We've got a special guest this week. I'm not going to give it. Oh, no, no. The only hint I'm going to give. No, no, no, no. You cannot tease a guest. You can't tease a guest without giving us a hint.
    138:46
    He works for Stern. Works for Stern. Who doesn't work for Stern? Yeah. I mean, there's 400 people that work for Stern. Yeah.
    138:53
    No hint? I don't want to say anything. Well, let's see. What's the hint? He has a beard. I don't know. Oh. Well, I'll tell you what. If it's Dwight Sullivan, let me know now so I can cancel him for our one-year show. Because he can't be double dipping on podcasts.
    139:08
    It is not Dwight Sullivan. Let's just say he's worked on a music pin. Let's do that. Okay. Cool. Fair enough. I appreciate it. Thanks for the tip. Thanks for checking in. Josh, appreciate it, man.
    139:18
    Awesome. Thanks, Ken. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, Steve. You guys do great work, man. Oh, you too, brother. Be good. Be good, brother. so always nice to hear from a fellow podcaster absolutely so the uh we have to say hello to roared on i know i've been wanting to say hello but i don't want to be rude now roared in for those of you that don't know like uh from australia and i'm loving the australian contingent that associates themselves with us absolutely for some reason like uh we we are uh i don't know what the guy says we're friendly with word and sends us pictures of kangaroos in his backyard He's got kangaroos in his backyard. How do you deal with that, man? I get like a robin or like landing in my lawn furniture. I get a crane and I'm happy. He's got like a kangaroo. He's like petting a koala bear.
    140:04
    Hey, thanks for joining us on the, what are we doing here? The Flippin' Up Football Network. How are you doing?
    140:11
    Hey, I'm doing good. Good. Who are we speaking with? It's Dennis Creasel, to be quick. Hey! Dennis! Dennis in the house. Dennis, your caller ID is blocked. It just says market trends on it. I didn't know what that was. Oh, my God. How are you, buddy? Contact in your phone system. I'm doing good. I just figured I'd go ahead and give you guys a ring to see if you wanted another Brickshot. Well, you know what? This is a Brickshot-themed evening. I do want to thank Freedom2074 for following the channel. Yes, thank you. And Dennis. Yes, thank you, Freedom. There's nothing more that I would like than a Dennis Creasel Brickshot. shot because I know two things. One, it'll be well thought out and two, it'll be outstandingly articulated.
    140:57
    Well, I'm sure it's on both counts. I am not Chris but in honor of him starting this trend for the day. But will you have swear words because you have to swear in a brick shot. Are you going to swear? You have to throw a cuss word into the brick shot. You have to put one in. Do you just want one? At least one. If it is after hours, alright. Okay. All right. Let's see. Just so you know, Zach says don't fuck it up, Den Den. So that was from Zach. All right. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, Zach's not in control. You guys are. So we're going to do it off of your model. All right. Oh, yeah. All right. Here's the thing. This is the shit that really gets my goat. It's when you've got distributors actually going out in public and telling people to buy a fucking pinball machine without even playing it. Without even playing it. Can you believe that shit? Oh. All right. First off, fuck them. Number two.
    141:55
    And I'm watching the chat come in. All right, go ahead. It's my money. So fuck you again for having the hubris, the presumption, the audacity to dare tell me, dictate to me how to use my funds. And 23, the notion that I would be able to recover the damage of buying a pinball machine. What if I get munstered? I mean, come on. I can't go. Look, I ain't rolling in a quarter million dollars a year. I can't be going out buying munsters and losing $500 because no one likes the code. Fuck that shit. That's my first shot. Oh, Dennis. Nice first shot. Listen, man. I love it. The only thing that was, yeah, guys, Birdo Drink, thanks for subscribing, Birdo Drink 1. Thank you, brother. That's awesome. And Dave, thanks for the 100 bits.
    142:46
    But I will say this. Sorry, Zach. As you were going off, Dennis, the funniest thing that I saw come up in chat was WTF Dennis, and it was Zach.
    142:57
    He's like, who let him out of the cage? Why is he doing this on my streaming channel? I loved it. That was nicely done. And that's Dennis for the win, I think, maybe. Well, merely trying to accommodate your after hours. Anyway, enjoying the show. I'll get off the air now. Hey, we love you, brother. Thank you so much. Thanks for your work on Eclectic Gamers with Tony, and thanks for everything you're doing with Twip right now. Thank you. And thanks for your journalistic contributions to pinball, because they are second to none. I appreciate it, man. Don't mention it. That is the man. Thanks, Dennis. Later. I love it, man. I love it. And this is what I like about this stream, it's just people checking in. Lord of the Ring Breath, Thank you so much for 110 bits. Please do me a favor, because either I'm not pronouncing your name correctly, or I need to know the story behind the username LordOfTheRingBreath. I love it. It's funny. Like, is LordOfTheRingBreath, is it RancidBreath? Is it GoodBreath? That's got to be BadBreath. No They don have toothbrushes Berto thanks for the sub man Like subs are totally not expected so that pretty cool As long as you cool with us checking in with you once or twice a week that awesome
    144:04
    What are bits Rorden wants to know? That's a great question. Hard to explain. We're going to go to another call real quick. Hold on, Rorden. We got it. Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball Network. How can I help you?
    144:19
    This is Lord of the Rings brand. Oh! Oh, Lord of the Rings breath. That worked. What is up? All right, Lord of the Rings breath. One of the coolest names on the internet. I don't have a podcast, you know. Who does? I'm just a random caller. Yeah, buddy. Hey, you got to say, hey, long-time listener, first-time caller. That's what all the cool radio shows get, right? Well, we ain't a radio show. Yeah, I know. We're playing radio tonight.
    144:46
    How are you, man? The whole Lord of the Rings Breath is nothing more than Lord of the Rings is my favorite game. I've owned it for over 10 years. Nice. And when I first had to create some sort of username for Twitch and for whatever, it's the first thing that popped in my head, Lord of the Rings Breath. Breath? Like you love Lord of the Rings so much that you're eating it and it's on the TV. tongue. Like Dave Fahlgren was Pamela Anderson breath for a couple forums after 2002.
    145:24
    But then he had to switch that out because he got more involved in pinball. That's awesome, man. So, like, are you a pinball guy? You got some games in your collection or do you play in location? What's your story? Oh, yeah. I've got nine games at home. Oh, sweet. And I run a pinball league out of Bumpernett in Birmingham, Alabama. Very, very good. I've run a league since 2009. Well, it's awesome, man. It's good to have you in the hobby. Let me ask you this. I want to put you on the spot here, Lord of the Ring breath.
    145:54
    Do you have a brick shot for us tonight? Anything that's been aggravating you in pinball or otherwise that you'd like to vent about? And you have to use a swear word. Oh, I got one for Zach. All right. So Zach is flipping out pinball. We have a Lord of the Rings breath brick shot. By the way, Zach says flipping out loves Alabama.
    146:10
    Maybe not after this one. So let her rip. All right, go ahead. My brick shot for Zach was an episode or two ago on his podcast. What the fuck? He comes out and says that the finals that everybody was talking about on Bram Stoker's Dracula, he said it was horrible, that it was bad for pinball, that it's not what we need. And then he went on to suggest that the manufacturers need to make 10 nondescript games. Generic pins. And he's got to be the only pinball machine for tournaments? I like that, but what the hell is that? What are you thinking? What are you talking about, man? That was crazy. Lord of the Rings, Brad. Did you listen to it? Yeah, no, of course we listened to it. He's the Pied Piper, right? What are you talking about? Well, let me ask you this. So you come from the competitive pinball side of things. Now, I think what we're starting to understand, and I think that Dennis from the Eclectic Gamers podcast and the co-host of TWIP has really explained that Zach making comments like this don't necessarily go over well with the competitive pinball community, and it's simply because he's not one of them. He's not a competitive pinball player. So he's kind of an outsider offering advice on an inside situation. What's your take on that?
    147:28
    What's your take on that? So, like, do you consider Zach like an outsider on the competitive pinball scene, or do you value his opinion as somebody that can offer more of like an entertainment approach to competitive pinball?
    147:43
    Well, I don't know. I don't know Zach personally, but I like him listening to his podcast and seeing him at some shows. But I don't know. When everybody was riding high about this finals, it was awesome. I watched it live, and I was blown away by it. and he just came on there and just shit all over it. You know, all over it. It was pretty awesome that every single, like, outlet that I heard, they talked about this, like, incredible comeback thing for pinball, and then Zach's like, well, no, wait a second. None of this would have happened if they would have got the game right. Like, why are you putting this game in there if there's a known exploit? So, like, I can see both sides of it. As somebody that's never competed in a tournament, and in all fairness, in all honesty, I did not go back and look at that. and at some point I will, but I find it interesting to see the side of the story from the competitive side versus somebody that's not competitive-driven but just looks at it from an entertainment purpose. So that's why I was asking where you're going, Lord of the Rings breath, and I appreciate your input on it, man.
    148:55
    Sure, sure, yeah, and I get that part of it. It was unfortunate that it had that malfunction and it was in the finals of such a big thing, but I think they handled it well. And just the fact that, I mean, everybody, including myself, just knew that Daniele has just run away with this thing. You know, that was what was so fantastic about it, because forget the malfunction and all and the ruling, the fact that, you know, Ostemar, Ostemar, whatever his name is, Johannes, was able to come back from that ridiculous score. I mean, that's crazy. It was just amazing. I think it's one for the ages. Okay. One for the ages. Well, listen, while I have you on, and again, thank you so much for just being in chat and help supporting the stream. But I do have one question for you. So you're competitive driven, and obviously you're watching competitive pinball streaming out of Italy, and probably whenever there's competitive streams, you're in it. What is it that draws you into this stream to have viewership and watch? because we're not competitive pinball players. What is appealing to you on this stream?
    150:07
    Well, I started listening to you guys' podcast, and I know you don't really get into the competitive side of it, but I just, I don't know, I just like your demeanor. I like the fact that you guys are up on current stuff that's going on in pinball, and I'm a competitive player, but I like all sides of pinball. I collect pinball. I'm not a huge modder, but I do a lot of colored EMDs on most of my games and some small mods. I'm not one of the guys that just tricks their machine out crazy, but I like all sides of it.
    150:45
    I like buying and selling pinball. I like not just the competitive side of it. That's just more where I lean towards. I used to do some racing back in the day with the SCCA, and I kind of replaced that with pinball about 10 years ago. Nice.
    151:04
    But, yeah, that's not the only thing. But I don't know. I like your guys' show. I've always liked Bruce and Ron. You know, those guys are great. Okay. And they just put a new episode out, too. Yeah, right. You know, a month off. They pop them in and out of there a little bit. You've got to check your app catchers or your podcast catchers to see when they're coming out.
    151:26
    That's right, yeah. I do have one. I can't remember what it's called, and it goes off every morning. You know, that's another thing. Pinball podcasts have become so prolific.
    151:39
    There are so many now. And so, you know, we can pick and choose which ones we choose to listen to. and I just really like the style that y'all go through with your podcast. I like it. Well, I'll tell you what, Lord of the Rings Breath, one, thank you so much for calling in to explain the naming of Lord of the Rings Breath. Thank you so much for sharing your opinions on competitive pinball and Zach's take on the competitive pinball stream that just took place and three, thanks for just being honest and kind of putting things in perspective in regards to pinball podcasting. I think a lot of us can share your sentiments where you might not put all your eggs in one basket. It's nice to kind of diversify what you're listening to and just take it all in, in general. So it's awesome, man. We're happy to have you aboard. Yeah, thank you. And please keep coming back every week and just join us. We'd love to have you back on and update us on what's going on, man. It's great having you on the show. Thank you. Absolutely love the banter. Thanks. I'll be glad to do it. Lord of the Rings breath. My favorite name. Thanks, brother. All right. Have a good night. Have a great day, man. Bye. It's awesome. All right. Good times. As we caught up in chat here. Zach's gone. Dave Fulgren says, we're witnessing what might be the last Flippin' Out live caller show ever. Well, no, we'll see. It was good hearing from him, man. I like hearing stories like that. Yeah, and that's what this is about. It's about everybody's here. We all like pinball. We have things in common. We don't have things in common, but the one thing we have in common is pinball.
    153:07
    We had a missed call, and I'm not sure what happened, but it did not allow me to answer. So what we'll do is we'll run this for a few more minutes. And I know, Bill, you probably have to skip. Do you need to leave now? Are you good? A couple minutes and we'll call it good. All right. Let's take the next call. Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Network.
    153:28
    Hello. Who are we talking to? Dr. John. Hey, how are you doing? My guy. What's up, brother? How are you, man? I need a bit of Aussie culture in the show. I agree. So for those of you that don't know, Dr. John is our special and lit pinball podcast correspondent for Spooky Pinball, and he resides in Australia. But, Dr. John, you're way more important than that. Why don't you tell the viewers and the listeners a little bit about yourself?
    153:59
    What do you want to know? I'm a collector, competitive player, but a bit like Ash's dad, more importantly, I'm Emily's father.
    154:08
    That's your daughter. She's 15. She's the number one female pinball in Australia. That's awesome. Nice. She just won the Southern Hemisphere Championships a couple of weekends ago. She's ranked now in the top 50 in adults in Australia competitively as well. That's crazy.
    154:27
    So what was your take on what had happened with the ruling with the Bram Stoker's Dracula? I assume that you're calling in to discuss that or no?
    154:42
    Yeah, two things. I've got a small brick shot, but we'll start with that. Okay, but we're going to get a brick shot out of you before we let you go, right? A very small one aimed at Chuck Ernst. But anyway, I've won the tournament five, and we pretty much compete every week over here in Australia in a tournament. There's one usually about two a week around where I live. But I've never, ever been in a tournament where there hasn't been a malfunction in a pinball machine. Okay. So that's just part of the competing. So Zach said they should all be specially made so that doesn't happen. But even if you make a specially made pinball machine and everyone's on the same playing field, you're still going to get stuck balls. You're still going to get people plunging wrong balls or extra balls of water when they shouldn't. So that's all part of the sport. There's no trouble for that. Can I ask you this? I mean, is there consideration being made when a game is going to be in the finals, if there is a known bug, is that something that should be avoided for, like, a final game that decides a championship or decides somebody that can take a championship in competitive pinball? Or in your mind, does every game potentially have something that could go wrong? The bug with Brahm and Sokers isn't really a known bug for the average person. It's, you know, when you're stacking your 30 million jackpot multi-ball, it can get confused. But that's really only the top 1% of people that it's going to happen. So it's not like a game was put in with a fault that's going to keep coming up. Remember, they used that game all through the tournament and it didn't happen at all. It's just that Danny Alley got on the machine and put up a 2 billion score. Save the best for last there, right?
    156:32
    And it's, yeah, that's going to cause the machine to have a small hemorrhage that someone's actually doing that to it. So I don't blame it for that. But, you know, the games are all set up and tried out and it has been used for the past four days without any problems. So when they say it's a known bug, it's not something that you say, well, every second or third game this is going to happen. It's a very rare event. And when it did happen, it was handled correctly. So they said, rightio, just start again because you lost your ball one. Okay.
    157:03
    And people who want to watch that sort of competitive pinball are used to it. Okay. And you're talking about is it something that's going to be readily adopted as far as watching on TV.
    157:15
    Do you know anything about cricket? I do. Probably don't. I do. I do know about cricket. Well, I'm a United States baseball guy, so cricket's as close as I can get to like a European version of it. There you go. Yeah, well, in cricket, there's a number of different ways of playing. There's the five-day test match where the one game will have five days and probably one in every four or five never finish. It just ends up in a draw because the game is not over. And there are a lot of people who don't like watching that for obvious reasons. It's slow. And it goes on and on. So they invented the one day and the 20-20, which are games that are over in three or four hours. They modified the game to make it more popular. Okay. Hey, Dr. John, real quick, I've got some breaking news here that I'd like to just kind of mention, and that's Dr. and Mrs. Pinn has followed the Flippin' Up Involve channel. We always have to get props for those coming in, and then we're going to send it back to you, Dr. John. So I apologize for the interruption, but thanks for the follow, guys. No, that's good. I love Mrs. Pinn in a purely pinball manner, and Dr. Pinn's another reign of doctors, so we've got a lot in common. Right. We've got Dr. John and Dr. Pinn. We're not doctors. doctors following doctors on the surgical stream of whatever we're doing. Go ahead.
    158:30
    There you go. Oh, and then they followed up with 1,500 bits. Thank you, guys. I'm sorry. But thank you guys so much. That was not necessary. And thank you very, very much. Thank you for doing too much money.
    158:43
    Right. Everybody is generous. Nope. All right. You still there? That's good. But I'll say, yeah, yeah. When they get that head-to-head format sorted out or a feed play or something, it'll be more appealing to the general public. But it's a niche sport that you love or, you know, you don't love. It doesn't need to go that mainstream as far as television, I don't think.
    159:08
    My brick shot is just to Chuck Ernst. Now, Dr. John, if you're going to offer a brick shot, you do have to use some type of profanity in order for it to be a brick shot.
    159:21
    Are you prepared to do this? What's an Aussie profanity? Where's Rawdon? He's no Aussie profanity. Where's Rawdon? He can come in and he can fill in for you.
    159:35
    Yeah, well, all I'll say is what sort of dickhead puts a light white font on a light white blue background for Aerosmith scoring? You've got to be an absolute dick shit, don't you? You play a tournament and you've got no idea what anyone's score is with the white lettering on the light blue background. Oh, and Chuck Ernst is calling into the show right now from Stern Pinball, computer graphics.
    160:02
    Good. That's a great question, actually. Have you ever seen that game? Oh, yeah. We played it. Yeah. You can't tell what anyone's score is until you finish and you walk up within a couple of inches of the screen and have everyone score. Anyway. Change the font color, please, Chuck. All right. Well, hey, you know what? We're going to relay that to Chuck. Actually, tomorrow morning. I will clip this and send it to Chuck because Chuck's a friend of the show now. So, Dr. Zahn, he's got good humor. He's got good humor. No, you're the man, dude. Thanks for everything. We've got your correspondence for Spooky airing tomorrow on Special One Lit Pinball Podcast, which should be up around noon tomorrow. And thanks for everything you do for us. Thanks for everything you do for Pinball. And, man, we are following your daughter, and we are hoping and backing her success. So thanks so much for everything, man. We really appreciate it. No worries. Keep it up. Thanks for the entertainment. See you. No, you're the man. Thanks, Dr. John. Later. Good times. All right, man. I think. Are you cruising out there? Yeah. Are you going to keep this going? I don't know. Well, let's see. Oh, my gosh. All right. Hold on. Let's take one more call here. I may keep it going, and I have to go to the washroom, too. That's why I'm like, hold on a second. That's why I'm running away right now. So the bathroom breaks. We need the urinal down in the special one with the pinball podcast studios. Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Streaming Network.
    161:27
    This came crying. Oh, it is. What's up, Dr. Phil? Hey, I embrace you now. How are you, man? Hey, Chromie. How are you? Good, brother. How are you? How are you, Dr. Phil? I was doing good until people started talking mad trash about my boy's ass. You're taking a little bit of heat from the competitive pinball side, your boy Zach is.
    161:49
    I've got a brick shot for you. All right, so this is a first in pinball podcasting history, pinball streaming history, and general pinball media history is a Dr. Phil brick shot. And I can only imagine the expletives that we might hear from a Dr. Phil. So, Dr. Phil, please, without holding you back. Without ado. Yeah, go right ahead. Thank you.
    162:15
    Thanks, fellas, for taking my call. First off, I'd like to do a big shout-out to Dennis Krusty. Dennis Krusty, bro, you're just mad that you're only working with a two-inch flipper. Oh, geez.
    162:36
    And next, I've got a bone to pick with Lord of the Ring Breast. Breast? It's Lord of the Rings breath, Dr. Phil. Breath. Is it Lord of the Rings breath? He breathes Lord of the Rings. Dr. Phil? Dr. Phil's here, Steve. Oh, man.
    162:54
    Listen here, Balrog. There's no crying in pinball. Oh. And another one for you. All right. This one goes to Steve Biddy there. Oh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Dr. Phil has a brick shot for you, and he has not used his swear word yet, so we'll see. Hey, now. Hey, Betty. Down in Texas, Betty, we'd call you a nipple sipper. You know what?
    163:26
    What? Why is that? You're babysitting that damn bitch, aren't you, boy? Babysitting? What are you talking about, Dr. Phil? There ain't no babysitting here. I got to stick up for Steve Bitty here. Steve Bitty. Last but not least, my Brickshot goes out to Loser Kid Podcast.
    163:49
    Loser Kid. Wait, what the hell are you doing trying to do Brickshot? What the fuck was that?
    164:00
    Hey, Rupi, I saw more energy out of Greg Bones' mom last night. Oh, hey now. That's getting a little real. there. Dr. Phil, easy there. Brick shot. Oh, yeah. Brick shot. Nice, buddy. Wow. Good times. Thanks, bro. But, you know, these beers. Thanks, Dr. Phil. These are all empty in front of me, man. I don't know. You've already gotten rid of them. I don't know what those guys are talking about. Yeah, dude. We don't. Yeah, dude, we can wake up hungover the next day an hour later. Steve's like, let's get this day started. Oh, yeah. TPS. Good times. Yeah, That was a little dark, Dennis.
    164:44
    Oh, good call in, Dr. Phil. Absolutely. Wow, it's been a long... I guess I got a beer slant. I was just hoping, but man, now... That's a red stripe, man. The road there. Did I miss the end of the line? It was five, six. Yeah, he F-bombed a little bit. Oh, did he? Oh, yeah. Who did he F-bomb?
    165:04
    Loser kid, I think. A little loser kid. Yeah. Oh, no. All right. Well, here we go. So the poll is this. It is now 10-11 in Central Standard Time. So I know Bill Webb, who's got to be up at like 4.30 in the morning, he's going to cruise. So we're going to do one of two things. We'll shut it down tonight for after hours. We'll join everybody next week as we relaunch with what we think will be Willy Wonka.
    165:30
    The second option is we extend this another 20 minutes or so without Bill Webb. And that's fine, too. So we can go, should we stay or should we go? So type stay or go in chat. Should we go now? And if we go, we'll shut it down. If we stay, we'll stick around. So here we go. And right now it's tied at 0-0.
    165:54
    All right. Well, I'm rolling. Are you rolling? Are you sure? I am rolling. Peace out, Bill. I'm curious to see what you're going to answer, but then I'm rolling. It's probably Jack and Harry wants to talk to Jeff Patterson for his brick shot.
    166:06
    Hey, thanks for joining us on the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Network. All right, Bill, don't you go anywhere. Oh. Who's this? Sit your ass down. We're going to have a conversation. Oh, snap. What's up, guys? I know who this is.
    166:19
    Terry Hart. What's going on, brother? So, nothing much. I was hoping I'd catch you before you got up here. Stop calling us. Collect, man. Yeah.
    166:30
    All the bits come out every time you call. I don't know what's going on. It's starting over. Right. Like you're taking back what's rightfully ours. What's going on, man? Yeah. I don't know, nothing much. I'm just sitting there watching Steve just nipple on that beer of his right there. Just like old Dr. Phil said, you know, I got plenty of nipples down here in Texas. We can slap on that bottle here for you. Bring them on up. Let's do it.
    166:54
    No, a couple of things we could chit-chat about. I guess one of them is we could talk about Black Knight real quick. I wanted to get your opinion on something, and I guess it kind of popped in my head again when someone called in just recently. I think it was Jobberhead talking about his MK2 cabinet. So, as most of you know, Steve Ritchie did the voice for Black Knight as well, as mainly what I'm talking about is like Shale Khan in Mortal Kombat. Yep. Now, I feel, in my opinion, that was one of the little sticklers for this new game, is that I felt like it would be better if it sounded more like Shale Khan compared to a slower version of Steve Ritchie. So I wanted to get your opinion if you can think that might actually sound better as more modulated Shao Kahn compared to a slowed down Steve Ritchie. So are you in the camp where you're not really approving of the current audio call-outs on Black Knight Sword and Rage? I like the way it sounds. It's fine. Like I said, this is a minor, minor thing for me. But I just felt like I even did my own little audio work to where I was like, you know what? I'm going to put some Shao Kahn voiceovers while I'm playing this game on the video that I had. And it sounded good with it. Like he even calls out a line at one point in the game where he says, you weak, pathetic fool. And that was one of the lines he said in Mortal Kombat. And it just sounded better as a Shao Kahn. That's my opinion. I was kind of curious. Fair enough. But, yeah. Kerry, I got to bolt, dude. I have to bolt.
    168:25
    Dude, nothing but love. If you want, we can talk tomorrow, but I still got to make a couple of stops before I get home. Bill put a turkey in before he left earlier. That's understandable, Bill, but, yeah, I've got to go to the bathroom myself, so I'm going to make it short anyways. But I wanted to say I've been listening to you guys since past, like, October, and one of the turn-ons was the fact, Bill, that you were there and you were a fellow restorer, so I was like, sweet, somebody else does this kind of stuff too. So I think you two make a great yin and yang, and y'all are doing a great job, and keep up the good work, and I'm going to head off to the bathroom That's why I love your videos, man, and do what we met in Texas. You know, it was good times. Damn, you're the dude that was doing this stuff. You can't leave without offering us a brick shot, though. A brick shot? Hey, yo.
    169:09
    I don't have any brick shots. Yes, you do. You're going to brick shot Bill Webb for walking off right now. Do it.
    169:16
    I'll see you, brother. Oh, man. If I'm going to brick shot anything, I guess it would be the way that Steve's nippling on that beer, then. I love it, bro. Bye, Bill. Hey, don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball. And mylar up. Mylar up. And mylar up. From downstairs. Hell yeah. All right, guys. Well, it was good to chat with you. I'm going to head off with this thing. Hey, thanks for your name, Terry, man. I appreciate it, man. It's always good. Thanks for everything you do for Kendall, brother. Be good.
    169:56
    Yeah, good times. Poor Bill's tired. He didn't even sign off. He's supposed to say, like, good morning, good afternoon, good evening. And I'm supposed to say, hey, go. I got to go. He's like, I'll do one more thing, and then Kerry calls. He can't get out of here. So it is what it is. And it's funny, because I ask people to stay. Right. Should we stay or should we go? And nobody gave a shit, because nobody said anything. I don't even know if our audio's on at this point. They're just in chat. So, again, this is the Flippin' Up Pinball After Hours where we can talk about anything, ladies and gentlemen. The theme of tonight has been the brick shop. And Chris Haper, formerly of the Slap State Pinball Podcast, started off with his brick shop. And we're encouraging anybody to call in with a brick shop tonight.
    170:43
    And as we kind of rotate everything in and out, I want to bring everybody up to speed that might have joined later. Again, the Black Knight Sword of Rage LE that's here right now, it is for sale. It's the last week that we're streaming it. It's in the Chicagoland area. You can come pick it up. You can play it. It can be shipped. You want to call Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball for that. Next week we've got Wonka, I believe, coming in. It's in route right now, so as long as the delivery times match up, we'll be streaming that on Monday. And that's the standard edition for Willy Wonka, so that's going to be fun.
    171:12
    Our special Winley Pinball podcast will air tomorrow, where we talk a little bit about what's going on in pinball and then our one year show is next week we've got some surprises along the way for that um yeah so what's going on in chat here ladies and gentlemen so it was fun to see that dr mr pin had uh followed the channel and then the generous donation of the 1500 bits now dr mrs pin and mrs dr pin if you guys are uh up and willing give us a call let's talk a little bit of pinball. And if you have a brick shot, brick shot is basically a bitching about something that's going on in pinball. Somebody call in with a brick shot. And expletives are encouraged during the After Hours segment, so that's not bad at all.
    171:58
    We've got some banter going back and forth between Zach and Zonroth, who is a dentist from Eclectic Gamers and Twip. One year hype? Yes, that's it. That's it. Hey, Albert, when is your one year? Because I know you're already past 100 episodes. But what's your one year anniversary. Albert is the host of the Pinball Nerds podcast.
    172:19
    Dr. and Ms. Penn did just take the leaderboard for donation of bits tonight. I'll share a story. This past year, Pennside, for those of you who don't know, Pennside is a forum group for pinball enthusiasts. I assume if you're here, you know what Pennside is. There's a Secret Santa program that happens on Pennside.
    172:42
    I signed up two years ago and it was fun and I got somebody that was in Seattle and I sent some stuff in it. So then this year, I'm the Secret Santa. My assignment is Mrs. Penn. I was like, it's pretty awesome, right? This last year? This past year. So I sent her a care package from myself as the Secret Santa and she's cool because she talks about it on her episode and everything like that. And it's just great because we had spoken before in the past And it's always good to have open line of communication with people that have similar interests. And with her in podcasting before us, it was nice to be able to kind of have that open line of communication and their banter.
    173:25
    Dennis wants to know what Pinsight is. Yeah, a forum. It's a friendly forum. So now unbeknownst to me, I get like a return package in the mail from Mrs. Pinn and Dr. Pinn.
    173:39
    And I didn't even realize really what it was. but like I get this big box and I open it up and it was like, it was, okay. So I'm 43. So that, that was your secret Santa. Right. So you sent them a package. So I sent them a package. I sent her your address. Right. So she sent something back, something back. Okay. Her and Dr. Pim. Gotcha. And it was, it was probably maybe the coolest box of anything I ever had gotten in my entire life. And, and inside the box, and this is going based on memory. tons of Mr. Pinball Podcast swag. Yep.
    174:17
    Shirts and pins and stickers and different candies branded with her things. So, like, I can appreciate that. It's pretty cool, right? That's awesome. Then it gets better, right? So they sent me some shirts from, like, a local brewery that they have, and I love that kind of stuff because, you know, I'm like a micro-brew guy, and I still wear those shirts. They sent me two of those. They sent me like a TNA shirt, which was awesome.
    174:44
    They sent me a bottle of, and this is what was crazy. There were two bottles, right? So one of the bottles was a bourbon whiskey out of New York, which was unbelievable. And then the other one was like a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue. I do remember that. And you remember that because that Johnny Walker Blue, what we actually did with that, because I was like, I'm going to save that for a special occasion. I have purchased shots of Johnny Walker Blue for people in the past to celebrate something big. I had never ingested Johnny Walker Blue. In fact, when we were at Pinball Expo last year, I think I snagged you a shot of Johnny Walker Blue, and they ran out. So I had the McAllen 18 is what I had. So I was excited to drink this shot, and then it just so happened that we went to Stern Pinball that week, and we were jumping on Munsters, I think, with Dwight. That's what it was. So I brought the Johnny Walker Blue up there, and we drank the Johnny Walker Blue at Stern Pinball in the arcade, and I stamped the picture, and I sent it to Dr. and Mrs. Penn saying, thank you so much. Like, we're enjoying this literally at Stern Pinball, and I thought it was pretty cool.
    175:54
    So thank you so much. I mean, those guys are – they've been around pinball for a while, and they're into the competitive scene. They're into the collectiver scene. You know, they're enthusiasts, and that's what it's all about. So I'm losing my voice here a little bit. As we get caught up in chat, it was a good run, says Dennis. One year hype. Yeah, well. I think I got caught up in my beer. I think somebody asked Bill last week how long he saw Special Wendlet going, and it wasn't that long. So, Steve, I don't know what you're going to be doing in a few months.
    176:25
    Might need you to fill in. I'm almost sitting on the same beer with a nipple. Right, right, right. Birdo Drink One says, did it this past year also, and it was cool. And on a cloth. Pinball Nerds podcast, nope, only started eight months ago. Okay, so he's coming up on a year here in four months, and he's got exponentially more podcasts up than I could ever even consider. He does it almost on a daily basis.
    176:53
    What a great, clear drunk, Tiki Pinball. I don't know if that's me or you, Steve. That's me. Is it you? Okay. Good stories. Thanks. It's not a story. It's a happening.
    177:05
    It was a good time. That's what it was. Tonight was a good time. I'm sad to see the Black Knight Sword of Rage leave because I feel like I can own this at some point in my small collection.
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    And it's because it's got that one more game feel about it. It really does, man. I mean, the game beats you down a lot, but then when you get a good game going, it's like you really relish that good game. it reminds me of Ghostbusters in that aspect where you don't expect to have a good game on it every single time, and they are relatively fast games, but when you do get that one lightning-in-a-bottle game, I mean, and it's like golf. You go, you golf 18 holes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you might have three or four good shots out of the 120 that you took that day, and it's those three or four good shots that keep you coming back. That's all you need. And then you get better. Yep, that's all you need. It actually gets better.
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    Yeah, so Wonka may be there next week. So this is the deal with Wonka, guys. It's shipped. It's on its way to Chicago. It'll be in Chicago here on Thursday. Is it on that truck? So what happens is, though, once it hits a distribution company here in Chicago, they need to call and set up a delivery date. Okay, so it's distribution hubs. Right, so it's a hub. So option A is we go in and we pick that thing up on Thursday if time allows, or if we can arrange the date to be on Monday, we're good to go. So it looks pretty positive that we will have a Wonka in the house on Saturday, or not Saturday, but on Monday. And it's just good for pinball, too, because Jack had Jack Canary, head of Jersey Jack, had said on our podcast, he said, listen, people should think of July 4th as a commemorative holiday where these things are in homes. And they will be. That's awesome. The week before that. So that is good. That is good.
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    Pick it up Thursday. If time allows, we'll pick it up Thursday. The unfortunate thing is schedules are busy outside of pinball for myself and for Bill and for Steve. I mean, we've got families and work.
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    Believe me, it's not us just sitting downstairs podcasting and playing pinball. There's other things that go on. We're fortunate to be able to do this and be given these opportunities. but as far as our livelihoods have to come into a little bit of a priority when it comes to picking up a pinball machine so we'll see. So yeah, Friday morning is a possibility we'll see where that goes. Berto Drink One says, I was just in Seattle and he missed playing Wonka at the Seattle Pinball Museum by a couple of days so that's okay. Tiki Pinball says sorry I like to drink beer and watch y'all. And you know what man, I like to drink beer and read you posting here in chat. So it goes just as well. On the gazebo with the fireworks. The gazebo stream is probably something that will never happen again. That was a massive setup and tear down.
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    It was one for the ages, but I don't know that that happens again. Until we get the portable streaming rig set up, which is the wireless rig, then I'll stream in the middle of a cemetery. I don't care. Well, no, maybe not that. A little Dracula.
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    Class of 1812. Hard body. So it's just exciting to have another pinball machine that's anticipated, that's actually out. It really is. It's in trucks and ready to go.
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    White Noise 3000 says, and just logged on after the kid birthday party. Good times, man. Welcome in. Welcome to the chat.
    180:43
    Dennis says, you got bits. What more do you want? I don't know. I don't know what more we want. If you could trade the bids in for transport of pinball, that would work. Wonka in a cemetery? Not sure it works, but whatever you think is best. Yeah, it's probably not the best location that I could have mentioned. Dave Fulgren says, tomorrow bar is across the street from a cemetery. There you go. Maybe we go out there and stream out there by Dave's house. Yeah, that'd be all right.
    181:09
    And then Tiki Pinball says, someday you're going to have to stream a raven. And on that note, thank you all for joining the Flip It Up Pinball Streaming Network.
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    I think we're going to shut this down pretty soon. Cemetery's perfect for location. Oh, you know what? Walking Dead could be cool in there. Class of 1812 could be cool in there. Dracula. Yeah, Dracula.
    181:37
    My respect for the dead in general doesn't have me hauling a pinball machine. Good call. yeah so I don't know alright bros hey before we wrap it up though before we wrap it up
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    before we wrap it up Remember, all the pinball machines you see on this channel are supplied by Zach and Nicole Many at Flippin' Out Pinball. They're rotating in the newest games every few weeks so that you guys get a chance to see what's new and happening. And all these games can be purchased, whether the actual in-studio games can be purchased and the games that you're seeing here can be purchased new in box through Flippin' Out Pinball. So make sure that you're contacting Zach. and if you've never had a distributor experience before, if you've never had a new inbox purchase, I absolutely recommend contacting Zach because the experience that we have overall will be a positive one and I would put my reputation on the line for that. All day. The Black Knight Sword of Rage LE that's here can be purchased. Again, it's local here in the western suburbs of Chicago. You can contact Zach about how you can pick that up from our special one, Lit Pinball Podcast Studios And then Wonka coming in next week, there's one Wonka special edition, Zach, unless you've sold it.
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    That is available, so you can actually call Flippin' Up Pinball, snag that one, and have that within two weeks because that's ready to rock and roll. I know there's lists right now at distributors. Zach has one left. He had two when we started the show, and he's down to one. So that's kind of cool. Flippin' Up Pinball, Zach says, we want to do more than simply sell you a machine. Anyone can do that. We want to support and entertain the community as well. And I think he does that in just about as good a way as anybody else in pinball and about as well as you can expect. Berto Drink One says, great stream, guys. Help me get through my late-night invoicing paperwork. Hey, Berto, thanks for the sub. Thanks for everything, man. It's always good seeing you. You know, I notice you on Facebook, and I notice you, you know, in our social media for Special Unlit. And thanks for supporting the channel. It means a lot. Dave says, thanks for supporting pinball. And I will say the same for you, Dave. You're very active in social media, and you're as close to a pinball ambassador locally that we have, too. Yeah, thanks, Dave. Yeah, I appreciate it.
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    Dennis congratulates Zach on selling one. He sold more than one. He had a bunch of them, and he literally had two left going into tonight, and there's one left. So wonk a standard. Get ready to rock it out. CNK, thanks for the hearts. Thanks for the love, brother. We appreciate it. Pinball Nerds Podcast. Great freaking stream. As per usual, my dudes, Brick Shots are hilarious. I'll call one of these days. Yeah, man, you need to call next week. You've got to call. I don't know why you didn't call today. I'm a little disappointed. Figure out your cell network. Get the international phone plan and get on the show, Albert, because that would be good times. And Dennis, he thanks us for streaming. Thanks for coming in. Honestly, without you being in here every single week, Dennis, the stream isn't what it is. So I appreciate your contribution here. Flippin' Up Pinball says, thanks to all that participated in After Hours. And thanks for having a good sense of humor, fellas. Couldn't have said it better. Chris at slap underscore save underscore. Zach is a solid dude. Buy from him when possible. Oh, yeah. Good shot. And follow Chris at slap underscore save underscore. He streams pinball, and he's entertaining as well. So it's a good time.
    185:27
    Dennis, we didn't sell anything. We're just here to collect some bits. No, I'm kidding. Speed biddies. No, it's good times. uh thank you no thanks thanks thanks to ken bitty and bill so bitty is your thing now man you don't like that we'll figure out something oh man there's a joke in there somewhere i don't know good times guys i really appreciate it uh for steve bd i am ken cromwell and then uh you're supposed to say good morning good afternoon good evening or something yeah Go to, yeah, hey, go out and play some pinball. Go out and play some pinball. So long, everybody. Drink some beer.
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    you