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Episode 12: Goodbye 2017 Hello 2018

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 0m·analyzed·Mar 14, 2018
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TL;DR

2017 year-in-review covering industry news, games, community growth, and 2018 rumors.

Summary

Spencer Klingon and Seth Holder discuss the top news stories of 2017 in pinball, including Keith Elwin joining Stern as a designer, Zach Sharpe joining as PR/marketing, John Trudeau's legal troubles, Highway Pinball's collapse, and John Popadiuk's controversial move to Deep Root Pinball. They also review favorite podcast moments, remember Steve Sharland, analyze Pinside poll results showing Dialed In as the top game of 2017, celebrate IFPA's massive growth (55,000 players, 4,500 events by end of 2017), and discuss 2018 rumors including Pulp Fiction, Beatles, Willy Wonka, Iron Maiden, Deadpool, Toy Story, and Spawn.

Key Claims

  • Keith Elwin joined Stern Pinball's design team as a new designer in 2017

    high confidence · Spencer lists this as #5 news item of 2017; credits Keith as a multi-time world champion and professional player bringing innovation to Stern

  • Zach Sharpe was hired as Stern's new PR/marketing person in 2017

    high confidence · Spencer identifies this as a key hire, praising Sharpe's competitive player background and coin-op industry experience; notes family lineage to IFPA leadership

  • John Trudeau faced serious criminal allegations in 2017 that impacted the pinball community

    high confidence · Spencer lists as #3 news item; describes Trudeau as legendary Gottlieb/Bally/Williams/Stern designer (Mustang, WWE WrestleMania, Ghostbusters); acknowledges legal fairness while noting community heartbreak

  • Highway Pinball was bought out by outside private investors; founder Andrew Highway exited; company collapsed

    high confidence · Spencer lists as #2 news item; notes Highway produced Full Throttle and was working on Alien Pinball before collapse

  • John Popadiuk moved from American Pinball to Deep Root Pinball in 2017 amid controversy

    high confidence · Spencer lists as #1 news item; describes Popadiuk as controversial figure who 'burned' community members; notes Deep Root announced him then went silent

  • Dialed In won the Pinside poll as best game of 2017 with roughly 25% of votes

    high confidence · Spencer compiles poll data showing Dialed In received lion's share of votes in two-part poll (180 total votes cast); approximately 25% of all votes

  • IFPA grew from 500 players and 50 events in 2006 to 55,000 registered players and nearly 4,500 events by end of 2017

    high confidence · Spencer cites IFPA growth statistics as evidence of pinball's resurgence; describes this as hundredfold growth

  • Licenses for Pulp Fiction and Beatles pinball machines have been confirmed to be in place for upcoming release

Notable Quotes

  • “you know, this is the consummate player. I think teaming him up with some of the good coders, like Lyman Shih tzu, again another multiple world champion and an amazing player, I think they might be able to come up with some really really cool stuff.”

    Spencer Klingon @ early in episode — enthusiasm about Keith Elwin's potential at Stern paired with elite code talent

  • “you know, Pinball League is the only place where she is a 15-year-old girl can offer up her opinions on a game or a feature or a repair tip or something, whatever. And everybody listens and they value and respect her opinion as much as anybody else in the group”

    Juniper Neff (paraphrased by Spencer) @ during favorite moments review — powerful statement about pinball community inclusivity and respect across age groups

  • “you can say the name John Papadiuk and you got an immediate audience of people that are ready to throw rotten vegetables and boo.”

    Seth Holder @ discussing #1 news item — highlights Popadiuk's controversial status in tight-knit community

  • “I think deep root is playing the long game... when it's ready to be the Come off the assembly line and start shipping then we'll we'll give you an update but until then there's nothing no vested interest in us for trying to build hype”

    Seth Holder @ discussing Deep Root Pinball strategy — contrasts Deep Root's approach with typical hype-driven release strategies; implies this is better business practice

  • “I don't have any interest in any of the titles coming, theme-wise coming out... That's where Total Nuclear Annihilation is kind of a lot more interesting to me and that's an original theme”

    Seth Holder @ discussing 2018 rumors — reveals preference for original themes over licensed IP; validates TNA's appeal

  • “I still going to pine away for a toy story I come to grips that I won be able to own it because I be priced out of the market”

    Seth Holder @ discussing Toy Story rumors — reveals collector aspirations and market pricing concerns for premium titles

Entities

Spencer KlingonpersonSeth HolderpersonKeith ElwinpersonZach SharpepersonJohn TrudeaupersonJohn PopadiukpersonAndrew HighwaypersonSteve Sharlandperson

Signals

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    personnel_signal: Keith Elwin, multi-time world champion player, joins Stern Pinball as designer; seen as significant talent acquisition bringing competitive player perspective to design

    high · Spencer's #5 news item; described as bringing 'innovation' and pairing well with elite coders like Lyman Shih tzu

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Zach Sharpe hired as Stern PR/marketing person; described as 'fantastic choice' with competitive and coin-op background; family involvement in IFPA

    high · Spencer's discussion of Sharpe hire; praise for experience and family lineage

  • ?

    industry_signal: John Trudeau, legendary designer, faced serious criminal allegations in 2017; described as cutting 'deep into the pinball community'; community respect for his work made news 'heartbreaking'

    high · Spencer's #3 news item; emotional response from both hosts about impact on tight-knit community

  • ?

    business_signal: Highway Pinball collapsed after private investor buyout; founder Andrew Highway exited; company had released Full Throttle and was working on Alien Pinball

    high · Spencer's #2 news item; notes company 'disappeared' after investor takeover

  • ?

    community_signal: John Popadiuk's move to Deep Root Pinball amid controversy; community has negative perception based on past burning of members; generates immediate skepticism ('rotten vegetables and boo')

    high · Spencer's #1 news item; Seth's quote about 'rotten vegetables'; Spencer notes Popadiuk 'captured attention of pinball community' negatively

Transcript

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One. Welcome to the Spinner's Lip Pinball Podcast. Tonight's episode, episode 12. Goodbye 2017, Hello 2018. I'm your host Spencer Klingon and back with us again from a holiday hiatus is my co-host and good friend Seth Holder. Seth, welcome back. Hey, Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you, sir. Did you have a nice Christmas? I had a wonderful Christmas filled with family, very poor internet data connections and lots of giving. So it was good all around. The Nice so yeah, you had a big house full of folks. I recall you talking about Yeah, I think Christmas Day we had about 40 people over for dinner Wow, that's awesome. That's really awesome Cool, man, and and you had a quiet new year. I'm assuming Well, yeah, I'm at the awesome part about Christmas Day is that they actually all left by 10 And so we were able to recover a little bit and then by New Year's Urtan Am Спасибо for境 Interview with Franchisew記ster in composition Franchisew н gern exiting Michaelsему '' prizes in steamy weather''Frant ведя fuera Outro
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The topic is the top five news items of 2017. I didn't take a poll for this. I just kind of, kind of. Thank God you didn't take a poll. Thank God I didn't take a poll. We'll get to that later. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that later. Okay, so my top five starting at number five is Keith Elwin
3:14
joining Stern's design team as a new designer. Remember what it was a couple years ago, Pinnagogo playing his Archer prototype. Sure. That was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed playing that. Really, really excited to see what he's going to bring to the table. You know, being such a, you know, a well-known professional player and a multi-time world champion, I think he's going to bring a lot of interesting innovation. I mean, it may not have so much innovation, but, you know, it's a pinball player designing the games. I mean, yes, the other designers love to play it like that, but, I mean, you know, this is the consummate player. I think teaming him up with some of the good coders, like Lyman Shih tzu, again another multiple world champion and an amazing player, I think they might be able to come up with some really really cool stuff. I'm excited to see what Keith Ellens is going to be bringing to the table in the near future. Yeah, absolutely. I think we were all pretty excited when he made the transition and we saw all the Archer stuff. To see more motifs ofleoic foods at WPPRarl tanks.com or only Castle.net m frente a program sketch, video or presentation testay . Thanks for watching kids! Howdy, aly! They've also worked with Michael for a couple of years currently, получing loans through joyfulcinema bonds. They write on their ID logs so НетzAquinesjustin NormalY solutions for Kjell Pinkstorp WPPR Payno Vin

medium confidence · Spencer references confirmation from 'This Week in Pinball' podcaster with connections; licenses confirmed but timing and manufacturer not disclosed

  • Total Nuclear Annihilation is rumored to be Spooky Pinball's best-selling game to date

    medium confidence · Spencer cites rumor about TNA sales; notes Spooky's previous production run was 300 units of Rob Zombie

  • Steve Sharland passed away in 2017, nearly a year before this episode aired

    high confidence · Seth and Spencer remember Steve Sharland as important community figure and friend; describe loss as still painful

    • “you created the two poles and you got a lot of response. You had 180 votes cast, so the people definitely spoke.”

    Seth Holder @ poll discussion — acknowledges community engagement despite poll execution issues

  • “I've been shooting from the hip since day one, man. And somehow it's worked pretty well. You know, aside from pin side poles.”

    Spencer Klingon @ meta discussion about podcast — self-aware humor about lack of structure while acknowledging poll failures

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    Deep Root Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Highway Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    IFPAorganization
    Dialed Ingame
    Total Nuclear Annihilationgame
    Attack from Mars Remakegame
    Pirates of the Caribbeangame
    Star Wars Aerosmithgame
    Lyman Shih tzuperson
    Juniper Neffperson
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    market_signal: Pinside poll on best games of 2017 received 180 votes with clear winner (Dialed In ~25%); despite execution issues, demonstrates strong community engagement

    high · Spencer's extensive poll discussion; 180 vote participation; Dialed In received roughly 25% of votes

  • ?

    competitive_signal: IFPA experienced exponential growth: 500 players/50 events (2006) to 55,000 players/4,500 events (end 2017); approximately hundredfold expansion

    high · Spencer cites IFPA website statistics; describes as 'huge comeback' and evidence of pinball resurgence

  • ?

    product_launch: American Pinball shipped first units of Houdini in late 2017/early 2018; hosts express happiness for company

    medium · Spencer mentions 'they just shipped the first of the Houdini so I'm very happy for American Pinball'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Licenses confirmed (via credible industry source) for at least two major IP titles coming to pinball; Pulp Fiction and Beatles mentioned as specific confirmations

    medium · Spencer credits 'This Week in Pinball' podcaster with connections; describes licenses as 'confirmed' but timing/manufacturer not disclosed

  • ?

    product_concern: Total Nuclear Annihilation rumored to be Spooky Pinball's best-selling game to date (compared to Rob Zombie's 300 units); suggests strong market reception for original themes

    medium · Spencer cites rumor; notes as evidence that originality 'vindicates' those favoring it over licensed IP

  • ?

    content_signal: Multiple pinball podcasts active and competitive for news/scoops; 'This Week in Pinball' credited with industry connections; Spencer's own poll generated drama/engagement

    high · References to This Week in Pinball; Pinside forum discussions; Spencer's poll engagement metrics

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Community sentiment shows preference for original themes (TNA) over licensed IP (Pulp Fiction, Beatles) for some segments; Seth expresses no interest in upcoming licensed titles but high interest in TNA

    medium · Seth's comments: 'I don't see...one of the problems I have with both of these themes is it's not going to attract young people'; prefers TNA for originality

    • 5:47
    Well, they were given their market share, I guess. Yeah, kind of, pretty much. So, yeah, Zach Sharp is the new public relations marketing guy. I think a great choice, a fantastic choice. His years of experience as a competitive player and working in the coin-op industry and his lineage to his father. I don't think they could have picked a better choice for that job. The This brother might disagree with you, but yeah, I agree. There you go. Oh
    6:22
    You've seen what they've done with the IFPA so clearly they they've got their act together That family. Yeah, definitely Definitely and and you know, there's a real passion there for it So, you know the end and you know passion makes all the difference in the world It really does if you're really passionate about something You know people know you're gonna put your heart into it The end of the show. Thank you for watching. I hope you enjoyed it. I just thought that was a really important news item from this year. Which brings us to our number three item which I, for the last two weeks, putting together this episode, just little notes here and there at a time. I really, really debated over whether or not to even mention this, but it is a part of the Pinball News of 2017. I'm just going to touch on it briefly. John Trudeau, for any listeners that might not know who the guy is, John Trudeau is a very well-known pinball designer. Designed games back in the early 80s for Gottlieb and worked at Bally Williams for several years. And then, of course, at Stern Pinball, he had come back and designed, what, three titles Mustang, WWE, WrestleMania, and Ghostbusters was his last game. Written andę N tiredệ Mary B. ckań хот lethalie Polish the Just to cover our own legality. Yeah, so this is the news story and so far I haven't heard anything else. Like everybody else in America, he deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers. About where there's smoke, there's fire, so. Yeah, and it cut deep into the pinball community, man. I remember just, you know, it was heartbreaking to hear that news that somebody that a lot of us respected his work and that to hear about something like this, it really, it really kind of cut deep and, you know, it, it wasn't easy news for anybody to take. So, and that's why I think that's a number three news item in 2017 related to pinball. Moving on to number two, there's the highway pinball buyout. Andrew Highway started the company, produced the game Full Throttle, and then was working on Alien Pinball, and then things kind of started to fall apart. He basically got some outside private investors and then bowed out of the company, and it just kind of disappeared since then. So, which we have some more news items on highway, but we'll get to those in a minute. Okay, so that's on to our did you have anything to add on to the highway? No. Like I said, I don't have a lot to add to the segment. Okay. Well, our number one is a
    9:50
    there you go. There we go. Our number one is news item of 2017 is Jay Pop or John Papadiuk and Deep Root Pinball. This story broke a couple of months ago too and kind of by accident. It was just kind of on their website which they're like some kind of investment law firm Finger o Russiae, Shehlini gly żidlańsche, Djomination of theibrd Mesnick Anyowasi, Hr можем Branchgalančesen, Here is American Pinball, who quickly cut ties with Mr. Papadiuk, now it's on the deep root. So they announced that he was going to be a game designer there and then they let out a couple small interviews talking about how awesome their product was going to be and then they just disappeared. So I don't even know where to go with this one other than it certainly captured the attention of the pinball community. Well, you can say the name John Papadiuk and you got an immediate audience of people that are ready to throw rotten vegetables and boo. So definitely it's a fire starter topic for many people that have been burned or know people that were burned or, you know, we're just still a small knit community, at least for now. And so these kinds of things have repercussions. The No shock that he made it onto your list. It's not really even a shock that he's number one on your list I think deep root is playing the long game Everything I got from them. I Don't I'm not for against anybody trying to get into pinball, but I think if you're gonna get into it. I think They probably have the right approach where hey look Well, we'll go off and work on it and when it's ready to be The Come off the assembly line and start shipping then we'll we'll give you an update but until then there's there's nothing no vested interest in us for trying to build hype Well, let's build hype off of a complete machine. So I suspect deep root will be dark for quite some time as they either figure out that they don't want to be in the pinball business or They figure out how to be successful in it Yeah, I think that's a really good point a really valid point The two most important things are, yeah, they're not showing a year in advance, oh, here's some artwork, oh, here's a toy, oh, here's a mech, oh, here's this, and then they have eight or nine delays or whatever, and they're not asking for any money. So, right there, like I said, we'll see. We'll see what happens. If they can do it, I'll applaud them and play their games and enjoy them, and great. We stay tuned for more of our next episodes. Before I jump into our next topic, I was going to mention this the last two episodes and it just kept slipping my mind. I finally sat down and watched the Spooky Pinball Documentary, Things That Go Bump in the Night. Really good documentary. I highly recommend you rent it or if you feel crazy enough to buy it, go out and buy it. Support your independent filmmaker and support a good pinball company with good folks that are fridge pains spg file catalog sage p ición de Fernandes VFMO cared Pembal bar qalizands analytics something about star ting campa goat first start a business about story worth or w iTcchi Auch even if uh... email how recording the pinball because they if she has really unique interesting constance that we're California by the right there are little community and goodness and uh... to get small family-owned businesses off the ground and uh... really neat, really really really interesting film and the way they they showed all of that going on so it like a small town coming together to support them and kind of feel good story Yeah yeah really is you know gives you gives you faith in the American dream again It really cool So anyway so I wanted to throw that out there So pinheads man and even non pinheads Check it out It a good little film
    15:28
    All right, so we are up to reviewing our favorite moments from past shows of 2017. Well, I have two I wrote down. The first one was, uh, I gotta look at what episode number it was. Um, it was episode eight, um, with, uh, Justin and, uh, Justin Kelly, uh, Fat train on pin side and the saga of the Star Trek game. Uh, that just, that story was funny. I mean, in the way it The I mean, I still chuckle every time I think about it. Mm-hmm
    16:10
    So if you haven't heard episode 8 go back and listen to episode 8 and listen to the Star Trek story about how he bought a Star Trek next-generation game that he really didn't even want so well and one of my favorite things of 2017 was when you accidentally deleted episode 8 from SoundCloud. Oh New Here Re Stats Recheit New Recheit Here The second one was from, oh I'm sorry, that was episode nine with Justin, my apologies. Episode nine with Justin. The episode title is Just Filling in the Dots. Episode eight with Juniper Neff, the episode was titled The Lady Has Skills. It was something Juniper said when we were talking and I'm paraphrasing here but she He said, you know, Pinball League is the only place where she is a 15-year-old girl can offer up her opinions on a game or a feature or a repair tip or something, whatever. And everybody listens and they value and respect her opinion as much as anybody else in the group, you know, be they 30 or 50 or 60. And I thought that was a really powerful statement, you know, and it speaks volumes about pinball www. padrepar teenagers.blogspot.com Okay, we can edit that.
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    Are we on to muting our phones yet? Yeah, you know what, actually, we're going to get to that later. Um, it's actually, uh, oh, Mark Scott, it's actually texting me right now. Um, Mark Scott wanted us to shout out. I almost forgot, uh, for, uh, again, a shout out to Mark Scott out of Reno, Nevada for, uh, writing and recording the spinners lit theme song, which I heard at the beginning of the show. Thank you, Mark. It is super awesome. Really nice work on that. So next up is a little bit sad note. Remembering friends we lost in 2017. This one still hurts a lot and it's been a while. It's been nearly a year since we lost Steve Sharland. And, you know, every time I think about it, it still hurts. You know? It's still fresh. It is. You know, because he was such a huge part of the hobby and of our lives and just such an awesome guy, you know? And you know, over the past year since we lost him, you know, there's so much going on in the world. temps��게 original tastefunded This May. Yes, indeed. So, just wanted to kind of take a minute to remember the year and remember Steve. So, up next, the best games of 2017 pin side poll results. Boy, that was 18 ideas. Spencer, what have you learned about doing pin side poll? Well, you know what I've learned is, uh, okay. You know, I, I'm, I want a concrete, succinct, short answer. Don't do it. There you go. That is the only correct answer. Or, or have super thick skin. Yeah, you know, that's a good part. I actually do have pretty thick skin. So, well, I, you know, it is what it is. So, you know, it's like, I mean, I, I swear, man, on paper, it looked perfect. And as usual, when I do I'm on no sleep and I'm working but sometimes depending on what I'm doing that day I might be just jammed in the hill in between actually being on a job site and emails and phone calls and everything else or like there's sometimes like when I did that I had five free minutes and I was standing literally in the middle of a vineyard so you know I thought oh yeah I got five minutes I'll just throw this together no you can't throw that stuff together yet I actually left out Batman 66 too so so I compiled the data of the The people that actually... Well, I was... Let's just... All right. Let's start from the beginning. I just wanna... Read... Oh, this echo is killing me, dude. Test, test. You sound fine to me. All right, we'll just have to... I can hear myself, so that's really hard to talk. So, you had started a... I was... The pinball in u s on a very simple right he said hey look i want to know whatever buddies input is into what the best game of two thousand something and and just simple was that has to be announced and shipped in two thousand so i think that was just or then you immediately broke your role by putting prior to the caribbean you know i think i can say that i came to test their test stadka mistake
    25:08
    Tri bricks description Main inner Not well. How'd that go? Not well. So then I tried to fix it and I couldn't. Again, on my phone there's a lot of stuff I can't do well. I'm not, you know, I'm not a tech guy anyway. You know that better than anybody. But, so what I did is I said, alright, screw it, I'll just start a second part of the poll, say poll part two, and put the other games that people wanted and I still left. The weird thing is I left Batman 66 out and nobody said a word about it. And you know, the funny thing is, that's actually one of my favorite games that actually got shipped this last year. I was playing it. We had a company Christmas party at Coinop and the company paid for everything including games. They were just handing out $10 bills, go get quarters. Where do I play? With me, ma'am. I run the place. So yeah, the old ma'am said go wherever you want. Can we go to Coinop? It's like yes, definitely. So they pop for food and drinks and all the games you can want. I showed up with $20.25 on my own because I'm serious about it. And then I used their $10 they gave me. And I used that completely on Star Wars. I put $10 just into Star Wars and played a lot of pinball that night. And it was really cool because a couple of the younger employees, they played pinball a couple of times and they were really into it. I'm live Story I can already getting off the pinballs those great and in the eje واSE дав nope Coloniback to our high school kid implaines linexis Iwha our king early nineties Darby Cameron red spot solutions said paranormal I've got a size that�� Man, I'm a crazy Achi de Aran gayo. Siri and灯 eral kerregаться Lindaal Boonka' The You follow the rules of the poll that you post. You're aware of my whole mantra that I've lived my entire life by, aren't you?
    27:56
    Um... No, it is. I don't know if it's family friendly. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a different one. From IndianaJones, man. I don't know. I'm making this up as I go along. There's no plan. I've been shooting from the hip since day one, man. And somehow it's worked pretty well. You know, aside from pin side poles. So... Well, I will say this, right? All kidding aside, you created the two poles and you got a lot of response. You had 180 votes cast, so the people definitely spoke. Now, we don't know if there's been double votes, but there was a clear... Yes, there was. ...winner, I would say. Yes, there was. You know, It was in the poll. It wasn't in the original poll but in the follow up poll. Number one, the Iowa team got the most votes. And they got roughly 25% of all the votes passed. Yeah, they did. That's pretty impressive. Now, I'm curious if all those folks played dial-in. When it comes to these polls, that's what's always interesting. Anchor GraphikaSN, Docker HartmannителяN, oto,
    29:39
    I played Dialed In and I played Aerosmith's Star Wars. So I've played on four out of the nine that were in the top ten. Did you play AF Attack from Mars remake? No. Okay, you haven't played it? Okay. I had the opportunity to but I didn't. Yeah, because it was at Pinagogo last year. Yeah, you played Attack from Mars. I'm sure the remake's not going to be any different. You played Houdini, didn't you? No. You did not. I didn't either. Well, I mean, I played a ball on it, but the one that we played was pre-pre-pre-beta. Right. I mean it was alpha Right So you can really judge it based on that Early prototype So no you make good points but yeah dialed in to get the lion share of the votes Number two was a total nuclear annihilation
    30:33
    What does he that one? Yeah, yeah, it got roughly 20%. Right. And then attack from Mars remake came in third. The one that really only people went to very few people have played yet. Number four was Jersey Jack Pinball's Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, the one that didn't ship. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, what was that again? That just shows you the marketing machine behind Jersey Jack must be somewhat successful. The uh... you know that's uh... fifteen percent of the people voted for machine that they haven't seen or played in person well some people may have seen it at the uh... expo but beyond the expo nobody's probably played it other than seeing pictures and maybe video uh... and rounding out the top five was Star Wars uh... Stern Star Wars Aerosmith came in right after at number six uh... Number seven was Houdini. Number eight, Guardians of the Galaxy. Past Houdini, it's just one or two or three votes. Yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy got three votes. Number nine, Alien got two votes. And a tie, uh... Was there a tie for number ten? Yeah, Thunderbirds and Jetsons. Yeah, I am. You play. Where'd you play Jetsons at?
    32:07
    At Pinnagogo. I don't remember Jetsons being there. Yeah. Shane brought one up from LA. Okay, I played Domino's. I just didn't remember playing Jetsons. There were so many games there. So
    32:25
    Oh, wait, you know what? You're right. I'm thinking. Okay, was it Domino's? Okay. Because I remember playing. You know, I actually liked Domino's. I mean, it wasn't, you It was fun. I enjoyed it. It was mind-altering enough for me to think I was like a gentleman. Well, there you go. But that's – I'm still checking all about the whole Pinside thing. But that was, as voted on by Pinside members, the top games of 2017. So of new games coming out. or even if they have quite shipped yet so uh... but i think but i think ultimately inside just enjoyed uh... hating on you for several days for even considering doing a poll on a forum i think i've redeemed myself with my latest uh... golden state pinball actually the very first golden state pinball uh... advertisement youtube video so the pink nightmare is real The pink nightmare is real and hot. That costume is hot, man. Okay. And I don't mean hot like cool. I mean, you cook in that thing. It's warm. I'll tell you that. Okay. Now my personal choice from games I've actually played, which would be Star Wars Aerosmith. I played Attack from Mars a bunch. We'll go with it. Dialed in and I tried to play Houdini three times, but it kept I'm breaking before I got to it. Let me read. Go ahead, finish. My number one choice is Dialed In for Game of 2017. So if you had your choice of any of those games on either of the polls, no questions asked, take it home, it's yours, here's the keys. I'd take Dialed In home. Hmm. I haven't played it, but I would probably Hem and Haw between Alien and Total Nuclear Annihilation. The Total nuclear annihilation is definitely my choice number two having never played it
    34:34
    Alien I haven't played and so until I play it, you know But I'm thinking you and I should make a Bay Area trip very very soon to go play the one now that's on location
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    Yeah, yeah do a little trip report. Definitely. We should do that very soon So that's that's that's the the pin side pole with drama. So The drama was free. No doubt. All the free drama you cannot want without all the calories. Okay. IFPA growing, pinball is growing in popularity. 2017 was an amazing year for pinball both in the private collectors homes and on location for arcades and Barcades and competitive circles as well. Just a few highlights from this year about that is the IFPA, the International Flipper Pinball Association. They were founded in 2006 by Zach and Josh Sharp and they started out with 500 players and 50 competitions worldwide. That was in 2006. By the end of 2017, they had registered players on their website which is ifpapinball.com or is it .org? I forget. I'll have to look at it real quick. It's one of the two. Anyway, by the end of 2017, 55,000 registered players and nearly 4,500 events around the world, which is like a hundredfold growth in those few years. So, yeah, so that right there shows you pinball is growing and becoming more popular yet again. And Spencer, if I may, just a quick correction. 5FPA Boy, that was 18 ideas! Yeah, I mean, for our listening audience versus our audience that doesn't listen, come on, where's the drum roll? Oh. Spincer is taking a turn as board operator, so he's our chief engineer now. And so if he's a little slow on the sound effects that he's hunted us down, please write to thespinnerislit at spinnerslit.com. The spinnerislit at gmail.com. There we go. Now he's going to go the opposite direction. Perfect. Where was I? Oh, yeah, IFPA. So, yeah, so you can find leagues near you if you're starting a league, which we're going to get to that. You can register with IFPA. also will approve does you have to do by lab now not this time what do we share my Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yeah, not bad, huh?
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    Top 165 in the state. Yeah, so yeah, not bad for an old guy, huh? I wouldn't think somebody 70s would be oh, it's a double drum roll. I'm gonna wear that out. Aren't I? All right? Hi, I'm David Van Es, and I'm here with the host of this show, Frank G. Thank you for joining us. I hope so. Anyway, hey, you know what? We're having fun. That's the whole reason we do this show. It's just a lot of fun, man. So on top of the expansion. Well, it's not for the women or the money. Are you right, sir?
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    Well, definitely not for the money. Um, on top of the, you know, their exponential growth, we also have really big growth. Uh, and this, uh, this is information I actually got off of a recent article in the New York Daily News that talked about, um, the IPA, just pinball making a huge comeback in general. ,,W Пред tsunekä SCPcros держ ThaiED serge guitar, Gd nuestras Raza eyebralternate title or M für ein 't
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    That's exciting. That's great. I hope that vindicates those of us that are all about originality. Yeah, me too. Me too. I really am excited to play it. It looks really fun. We have a couple of friends that are going to be getting one that I know of or I've heard they're going to be getting one, so we'll have opportunities to play it in the not-too-distant future. So that's going to be good. And then you know getting back to rumors you know I still going to pine away for a toy story I come to grips that I won be able to own it because I be priced out of the market but I look forward to playing it on location and dreaming about it and making that you know maybe the pin I get in 10 years kind of thing Yeah Who knows man Who knows I mean I know you want one so if they do it so it should be good I did hear a rumor Ministers 1 and all of its original formgh 깔� I still live so as Venue highlight and at the seat and let's walk you by wrote and over doubt that the team Antes is worry about us Alex Cooper's Nightmare Castle. So. Yep, yep, which is a very interesting approach. It's licensed, but it's in a very much a creative take on his universe, you know. Right, right. So, you know, that's exciting. Of course, you know, we got Pirates. That's not a rumor either, but we got that coming out. The Most of the games on your poll, let's put it that way. Right, right, yeah, and they just shipped the first of the Houdini so I'm very happy for American Pinball, it's very exciting. Other stuff in the pipe, you know Willy Wonka is a big rumor right now. Iron Maiden. That's mainly because there's other stuff in the pipe. Right, Iron Maiden has been... Where's my, where's my, where's my drum? Where's your drum? Other stuff in the pipe? Did I miss something? I'm sorry, I'm getting The Past That's because you put other stuff in the pipe and the pipe got it. Okay. There we go I Hate having to explain my jokes. I'm sorry. I'm like, oh, it's not you. It's me. No. No, it was a good joke I'm just really getting fatigued because it's been a long day. But nonetheless, we're having fun. We'll continue What else was in the rumor mill? Oh Um, oh, um, uh, why I wanna say Spawn? Spawn would be a good pinball machine. Uh, Deadpool. Ah, yeah, yeah. So we've got In the Rumor Mill, Deadpool, Iron Maiden, uh, Pulp Fiction, Beatles, uh, Toy Story. Uh, we know at least most of these are probably gonna end up being not just rumors confirmed. Uh, Willy Wonka, you know, and the Munsters. That's a constant one. Munsters keeps popping up every, every few months. The Are you saying these are what people are asking for online? Are you saying they're unconfirmed rumors all?
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    No, not I mean, I think we've touched all the bases, you know I'm still kind of monitoring the folks over at Home Pin and seeing what else, because I know they have other things in the pipeline, so it'll be an interesting year to see them come up to speed and how they start servicing other regions in the world and see as the popularity grows. Right, right. Yeah, I'm excited to see what else they do, because, you know, again, it's been talked about a lot. The theme doesn't really do a lot for me, but that one little amp.com Attendpre novice podcast review Update published listți觉得 theusa", Feel sow la?' I'm a fan of the Pinball League in Reno, the Reno Pinball League or the Reno Silverballers. He's actually, he was texting me tonight because I was just asking him, do you have more info on, because he sent me some t-shirt designs and pictures of him and stuff like that that he's doing. He's on vacation right now with his family in Palm Springs, so shout out to Mark again. and he doesn't have the website up yet and he doesn't have an email yet. He's going to do that as soon as he gets back from vacation. But you can reach out to him if you're a member of Pinside. He's Pinball on the Mark. That's Mark Scoth. If you're in the Reno area interested in getting involved in their new Pinball League. So just wanted to kind of give that a shout out. And if you have a Pinball League or a show and you want us to talk about it on the show, Just reach out to us and email us at thespinnerslit at gmail.com. But that's what's going on with the whole, you know, hey, new league in Reno is forming, Reno Pinball League. So if you're up in Reno area, look for that real soon. And yeah, pretty cool, man. Pinball is really growing by leaps and bounds. And we're coming to the end of the episode, man, the end of the first show of 2018. Alan Jones TelevisionCommentaries testeíchnationets steam refreshed worthwhile-pchanclandale.com Glen
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    Thank you for joining us. We really appreciate everything you bring to the table, the energy and excitement you bring every month to our podcast. Just looking forward to 2018. Yeah, man. Right back at you. You know, I mean, you really, you know, the show, you know, when it was just me doing it, you know, there was really something missing and you fit that missing piece. Did I fill your void? You did. You fill my void. You complete me. You do, man, though. But you know what? It's because like I tell everybody and we tell the listeners, this is almost identical to when you and I are sitting in the car and we're driving to the Bay Area to go visit Bay Area pinhead friends and go play pinball. And what episode would be complete without a shout out to our good brothers, Moth and Practical Steve. So there you go. I got in the The Mof and Practical Steve Shoutout. To be clear for those that are doing the drinking game at home, the Shoutout to Practical Steve happened in the first segment. It did, that's right. Now they had to do two shots. And the reference to the conversation in the car, which is an entire can of beer, was just mentioned as well. The Spinner's Lit drinking game, I love it. The Psychological Play one of the major watcher reruns of Quincy if he said points anybody said Quincy and take a drink and if anybody said Quinn she had to drink a whole beer so Clear I'm talking about root beer. Just just yes. Yes. You are sir. Yes, you are because we're a family show
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    Okay, we got a lot to edit or I have a lot to edit this week other shout outs Thank you for watching this video. I hope you enjoyed it. If you liked it, please subscribe and give it a thumbs up. I will see you in the next video. Bye!
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