Hey, Beaver. That kid said he's got a gun. Cool. Tell him to go home and get it. It's in my pants. Don't make me take it out. Whip it out. There. Now give me some money. Whoa. Uh, okay. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Flam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Cluster. Fuck. Yeah, the Cluster Buck. Fuck. Cluster. Fuck. I am ready. I'm ready, too. Before you put anyone else on, I just want to let you know, like, I have mentally prepared myself. We're recording on Sunday here, and Monday is a holiday for me, so I have a full edit day so I can get going on this. So you will hear no complaining from me. I'm ready for it, Bruce. Let's bring it on. Okay. And the first guest coming on is Ron. We have a technical issue. What's the technical issue? nobody wanted to come on because they wanted a three day weekend okay so we're kind of screwed so we're not doing a clusterfuck no after I prepared myself you plugged it last episode and we're once again letting our listeners down and me what else is new if only we had something else to talk about I know there's nothing else going on so I think we just end it right here We say hi to all of our friends and sponsors and everything like that, and we go from there. That would be a very easy edit. It would be. Yeah, I agree. I haven't sworn yet either. No, you haven't. It's like a G-rated, a G&R rated. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, what's that? G&R? You mean G&R. Two electric boogaloos. Guns and Roses. Did you notice they actually have their MC? again, who was in the first game. He's one of my favorite parts of the first game. Of all the bands in the world, this is definitely one of them. You want the best? They're not here. If I have to hear another Guns N' Roses song ever in my life, oh my god. Come on. I've been listening to more Guns N' Roses now. I've seen them in concert. They suck. Wow. And I've seen them when they were younger. I've seen them back in 87... No, was it 88? It was at the Meadowlands. It was actually at Giant Stadium. That probably wasn't 88 then. I don't think they were big enough yet. I think they were. Let's see. Did you say Skinny Axel? Yes, Skinny Axel. Okay. Well, Jersey Jack revealed the game that everyone knew was going to be revealed. Yes, it was no big surprise, except for Bravo. I'm going to give them a Bravo right off the bat. Big Bravo. Yes, I did see him. It was in 88, Guns N' Roses, Deep Purple, and Aerosmith. Oh, wow. In 1980. Oh, okay. There's three bands. That's why they were in. Yeah. They wouldn't have been there by themselves in 88. No. In like 91 or something, maybe, but not in 88. Yeah, they were in 91, but I saw them in 88, and I was like, okay, get them off the stage. I was actually looking forward to Deep Purple. What does that tell you? Well, yeah. We know your taste in music is, yeah, okay. Great. Yeah, it's great. But bravo to JJP for actually getting games out within showing the video. And they did it only the second time I've ever known where they've actually shown a game and had it shipped to people already on their way. Congratulations, Kevin, from Buffalo Pinball. What do you mean the second time? This is the first time. Nope, first time not for them, but the first time ever was Stranger Things. they actually had them pre-shipped all over before people even knew about it. Okay. Once again, you are confusing me as usual. But am I right? Yeah, but you're still confusing. I know. What else is new? Yeah, what else is new? When a game was being released, games were actually manufactured and shipped before the video was being released. It's only the second time that I know of. Okay. Which is great. That's a great thing because all other five games that Jersey Jack has done has been a, hey, this is a great game, and yeah, it's not coming out. I think they finally have their act together with the new factory, with the new management team there, and just saying, this is going to go. It's going to go out the way it is. No other people saying, oh, it should be changed this, or maybe we should change the dragon or the looks of this. we need to just put the game on the line and sell it the way it is. This is, what, year 8? Year 8, yes. 2013. Almost year 8. Well, they were formed in 2011. I think the first game, yes. The first game came out in like 2012. It was January 1st. I'll give them the first year for Day 2 of Wizard of Oz. So in 8 years, they have done six games. Yeah. And this is the first one that's actually been available right when they've announced it and it has shipped immediately. Now, Spooky has made, what, eight games? More than eight games. Oh, well, you're including all the... I have to. Okay. Because he's made them and he counts them as his total number. All right, hold on. Let's count those up. So you've got America's Most Haunted. Yes. Let's get all the other ones. Jetsons. Yes. Domino's. Yes. What's his face? Rob Zombie. Yep. Ballas Cooper. TNA. Yep. Rick and Morty. That's seven. Seven. That's seven. Seven games. One more than Jersey Jack. Yeah. I didn't think of that. It's kind of sad. When you think of it that way, I would say, though, this is the beginning of a new era. I do agree. For Jersey Jack. I like the look of it. It definitely has a feel that, I mean, there's new ownership. Let's be real here. Jack is there in name only at this point. He is a supporter of Jersey Jack Pinball. No one is in New Jersey anymore except Jack. I mean, I know his son used to work for the company, too, and he doesn't work there anymore. His daughter, yeah. Yeah, so it's all in Chicago, all over one roof. We'll talk about the reveal, but one part of the reveal, there was like a 25-minute video where they had interviews, and I noticed all the interviews were done from the factory. So they're interviewing people, and you can clearly see all the lines in the background and all that, almost like, check it out. We have the factory here. We're here. We're ready to rock, literally. And they are a moving product. I've seen a lot of people unboxing. They completely underestimated the demand for the collector's edition badly. They were not used to this. Let's put it that way. They've never seen that on the CE. Yes. It's a good problem to have. They were not prepared for the demand for the CE. But we'll get into that. But first, the video was incredible, both videos. They did a great job with the girl. Oh, yeah, the girl. Yeah. Yeah, I'm watching. So, well, let's do the timeline. First thing they did is they started releasing on their Facebook pictures of Eric Meunier with, like, the play field, but turned backwards, upside down. And then another one of these, he's staring over all the playfields on the line, so you can see all the wiring, but you can't see what it is. And then one of him sitting on a box of the game, but with the name whited out, but he's wearing the axle mirror sunglasses thing, in case you had any, you know. Doubt of what it was. Then they showed Eric surrounded by a bunch of games, basically saying, hey, look at all this. These games are ready to go. We're ready. They were. And then the first thing they did is they came on their Facebook and had Eric with Slash, where they just said, yes, the next game is Guns N' Roses. So then he had to wait another hour or whatever until they revealed it on their site, the video. Well, Central Time. Yeah. Which was one Eastern. Yeah. And the video was very flashy. Yep. High energy. Yeah, high energy. Not much showing gameplay. No, no, it was more about the atmosphere. The feel of being at a concert. Yeah. The feel of a concert. Everyone high-fiving, having a great time. Yeah. That's what you're going to have when you're playing this game. A lot of lights. Oh, yeah. That's what we're getting into. Yeah. I think when Dwight Sullivan saw this game, he cried. He got jealous. I think he cried. Like, this is the game I always wanted to make. He got jealous. Yeah, I do think that happened. So the video came out, and then maybe an hour later, the straight down the middle video came out. And also, you also had the, in between that time, you had the pricing come out from Jersey Jack, which is three levels. Wait a minute, there's three levels, just like another company does? Yes, and they've had this since Willy Wonka. Willy Wonka. So the SE, which is the street edition or standard edition. Street edition. Well, it doesn't have the upper play field, but it does have a ramp, doesn't it? So it's not a street level. It has one ramp. It has one ramp. And that is $67.50, which is a decrease of $750 from Willy Wonka. Has less LEDs in it, less stuff. Now, I have a question for you. Yeah. It says manufacturer suggested retail price. Can you actually get it cheaper? or is that, I always thought they were more set. I've never seen a Jersey Jack really cheaper unless the game's been sitting for a while. Like, I think you can get, like, I think you can get it dialed in right now. I think they still have dialed-ins in the box, some of these guys. You can probably get it cheaper than the MSRP. Yeah, but for the most part, it's not like Stern where they say a Pro is like 6K when it's not. No, no, no. Because there are some people mentioning that it's closer to the pro pricing. It's not. No. It's not. If you're paying 6K for a pro, you need a different distributor. Yeah, you're on crack. If you're paying in the high fives for one, you need a different distributor. Yes. Yeah. So the pricing went down on that one. Yes. It's actually lower than Eastern Premium. Yes. Which gets it closer to the pro, which is great. And you get the quality from Jersey Jack. You do miss a lot out of this game when you do that. Oh, yeah. Which brings me back to the, we said Jack really is not, he's just the cheerleader for the company at this point. I mean, when he ran the company, one of his things was we wouldn't have different versions. We would never take stuff out of a game. Nope. Every game would be full, full featured. Yep. That is not the case anymore. Started with Willie. Filled with Willie. So then the second version is the limited edition, which is really the premium. But it's limited to 5,000. 5,000 people only. Which they might. Do you think they might sell that many? Well, we'll get into that later on. Okay. How much is that? That is $9,750, wasn't it? Or no, $9,500. $9,500. No, say $9,500. It sounds bigger. So $2,750 more gets you an upper play field, more LED lights. What gives you the, what do they call them, the hot bars? Or what's the name of them? what do they call them? Do you have these light bars on the side of the game? For your skill shot. No, no, no, no, no. I mean the light bars on the side of the game. They're Penn Stadium version, except it's not involved the play field. It's Hot Rails. That's what they're called. So the rails are actually lit. And in the standard edition, they're just plain white. In the limited and collector's edition, they're RGBs and change the different colors. So then you have the CE version, which was limited to 500 people, and that was $12,500. So the good thing about this whole pricing thing is one of their prices went down. The other two stayed exactly the same. So they did not raise their price. Of course, they are a lot more than Stern on all three levels, but they did not change their price, which I said they would. Bravo to them. They didn't raise it. Well, and the thing is, the collector's edition, they did something that's never been done as far as I know. They've never done. and that there's a physical, what is it called, the coma, ball lock or whatever. The coma, ball lock. Yeah. The apron. There's a physical thing that's there only in the collector's edition. It's not just bling. I agree. And the collector's edition also has tons of cabinet lighting that they've added. A topper with a sound bar in front of it for more wattage, more power. Power. Now, so you have three levels, more than any other manufacturer. 500 CE sold out in 11 hours. Which they were not ready for. No. And. Because weren't they selling direct also? But then they had this for years. So it was a cluster. Every game sells direct. So the problem with this is, I guarantee this is what happened. in the beginning, they probably allotted $100 for themselves, for Jersey Jack themselves. And once they blew through the $100, they probably went, oh, shit, I don't want to sell this out in two or three hours. Let me allot a little bit more to myself, and we'll just take it away from the distributors. And I think they allotted it, and I think they probably gave themselves $200 instead of $100, which really screwed the distributors, because the distributors were probably thinking, I got all these people who want this game. This is great. I'm finally going to sell a CE, make some more money. Oh, but my CE numbers, I can't get them. So I heard there was a lot of people who were very disappointed. I heard Australia is only getting 10. Australia's only getting 10. 10. The hotbed of pinball Australia. The hotbed. And all they get are, like, LEs. Well, in this case, CEs. CEs. So, you know, that's kind of hard. Hopefully, Mr. Claussen got his. Did he? Did you know? I don't know. Yeah, he's a doctor. I'm sure he figured out a way. Yeah, he is the doctor. He's the doctor. So, people were getting, like, a half a day later, oh, by the way, Jersey Jack gave us a lower allotment, so you don't get a CE. Are you interested in an LE? Excuse me, an LE. And that was very disappointing to a lot of people, because they thought, I bought it within 15 minutes or 10 minutes of looking at these pictures, I'm in. The only way you were in, truly, if you bought from Jersey Jack. Because they actually had a live website that actually, if you clicked it and you paid for it, they probably took it off their numbers directly. Interesting, because I know Pinstar, they had a point and click in the order thing going on. But who knows how many they got? Yeah. That's the problem. You can point and click all you want, but if you think you're going to get 10 or 15 and you only get 5, and you weren't fast enough pointing and clicking, and maybe even beforehand, even though they're – I don't know about Jersey Jack, but I know Stern is very don't take the money until the game is shown, but I don't know how Jersey Jack's Ryan Policky is with their distributors. Maybe some people bought it beforehand. They probably bought a spot. Yeah. Would be my guess. That's what I'm thinking also. And then when these guys probably, these distributors probably go, woo-hoo, I got 25 CE orders. I'm going to call Jack, you know, and make sure, oh, I only get five or I only get ten? Oh, shit. And it was just a big clusterfuck. You know, it's so funny here at Slam Tilt. Any other podcast would probably be talking about the game. Yeah, no, we talk about the problem. That's why we talk about the negative shit. We suck. No, we're not going to because I think. Come on, Bruce. All models include 21 full-length studio mess recordings of Guns N' Roses favorites. Exclusive original pinball music created and performed by Slash. Okay, hold on. What? Let's break down each part. It only comes with 15 the way it shipped. You have to turn off the family mode to get the other six songs. Which was hilarious because I think on the Buffalo pinball stream, he started it in family mode. Yeah. And the first song was like, It's So Easy, which has F-bombs in it. I know. And everyone was like, oh, wait a minute. Are you sure you have? And he did. He had it in family mode. It's like, that might be a problem. Yeah, absolutely. Little bug there. Little, little bug there. Little bug there. It's so easy. It's so fucking easy. Easy. But, so, go ahead. You have your 15 songs. And one of the 21 songs is not a Guns N' Roses song. It is my favorite song of all, one of my top 15 or 20 songs of all time. And the thing is, I was like, how the hell did they get that in there? And that would be Live and Let Die. Yes. That is a, and that's always been a big part of the Guns N' Roses stage show, even back in the 90s. It was one of the ones that they do the super light show during. And they did that in the 70s when Paul McCartney and Wings would do it. It was like a big light show. It was incredible. So I was thinking, like, how the hell did they get that? And the story behind that was hilarious. It's Eric Meunier told it on the Super Awesome Pinball Show. Basically, they wanted that song for that reason, because the game is supposed to be a concert. And a big part of the concert is that song. So they tried Sony. Sony's like, no. So they tried Paul McCartney, like, five times, tried to get a hold of his agent, and he just wouldn't respond. So then they're in the conference call with Slash, and it's like, well, we really want to use Live and Let Die, but we just know it's getting back to us. We can't do it. He said, what do you mean? He's like, I'll just call Paul. So he calls Paul McCartney like 15 minutes later. You got it. You're all set. So that's how it ended up. So I want to know what other people Slash has on his phone. Yeah. Maybe they can use him. Yeah, he's got a cool phone. Maybe we can get more people on pinball machines this way. There you go. That would be great. So he has 21 songs, exclusive original pinball music created and performed by Slash. I guess that's during some of the modes. I guess that's a little dig at, like, Black Knight, you know, Scott Ian doing a little, you know, dedicated music, you know. How is that? Everything, you're as bad as Pinside with everything is a day. I feel that way. You should have read Pinside. According to Pinside, Jersey Tech has just destroyed Stern. They brought it to a new level. Stern is dead. They practically took the rest of the market with this game. Yes, of course they did. They took all 88%. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's like, are you people for real? No, I don't. What do you think? Six games in eight years. How many has Stern made in that amount of time? And I'll just include. I will just read them off. I will just include nothing but cornerstones. We'll make it as low as possible. ACDC, X-Men, Metallica, Star Trek, Avengers. Oh, well. I'm not going to include ACDC, Lucy, and all these other freaking versions. Mustang. Mustang. Walking Dead. Game of Thrones WrestleMania Kiss Ghostbusters Batman No, I won't include Batman 66 because that's not a Cornerstone game. No, it's not a Cornerstone game. It's one of their boutique games. Aerosmith Star Wars Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Maiden Deadpool Monsters Black Knight Jurassic Park Stranger Things, Ninja Turtles, and Avengers. How many games is that? I lost count. 22. Is it 20? And that's not including the special ones like Climax. So please, please stop, Pinspie. Please, please, please stop. Avengers had all the twippies until this game. Now it's over. Well, I'll say one thing. They definitely have Light Show and Immigration locked up. But here's the thing with that even, you know, I don't think it's going to hurt Stern. I think it's going to hurt the other manufacturers. Yeah, I think because before this, in their previous gate, I would say it was Stern number one. And you can make an argument Spooky was number two. I do. I would say Spooky. And Jersey Jack maybe three. Yeah. But now with this, Jersey Jack is a solid number two at this point. Yeah. You know, a kick-ass game, it looks like, that they can actually ship now. Now. Like, if I want one right now, I can just go to distributor. I can order it right now. I want an LE. Give me now. Yeah. So that puts them right above. It puts them where they've never been before, at the stern level. Mm-hmm. The only thing you're going to be waiting for is a CE, which, guess what? That's understandable. You've got to get those, you know, the LEs and the SEs out. It's amazing how they're all using the Stern 3 model. Oh, they all do. Yeah. Except for Spooky. Yeah. Well, American doesn't. Yeah, and American doesn't either. Great. But just the ones, like, it's just funny with Fraternity Jack, because they specifically said they wouldn't do that. Never did. I know. And now they're doing it, which is fun. Well, different company, different management. Exclusive original instrumentation and sound effect recordings performed by Slash, Duff Duff McKagan, and Richard Fortas. Duff Man! Funny thing about them is, you know, Slash, he looks like Slash. I mean, he never changes. No, no, no. Slash looks like now the woman from the Goonies, the grandmother. Uh, no. Yes, he does. No, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Slash looks like Slash. Duff is ripped. You can't see it under his shirt, but he's like a physical fitness freak. because he had one of those deals where doctors basically tell him, you take one more drink and you're dead. So he became like a health nut. He's also an author. He writes a lot of articles for magazines and newspapers and stuff. Just thought I'd bring that up. I'm a fan. Game narration by Duff Duff McKagan and Melissa James Rees. The one thing I noticed, they have two keyboardists. Yes, they do. Why? Why do you need two keyboardists? Some musicians, please let me know. because the only time I remember two keyboardists in a group was actually Paul McCartney because they had Linda, but then they'd have the other keyboardists. Yeah, because she couldn't do it. Her music was actually off in the background. She was just hitting the keyboard. I'm doing great. Yay. I think they did that on Howard Stern. Didn't they do that once they got an isolated recording of her keyboard playing and just played it? It was pretty bad. Whoopsie. But, like, Melissa James Rees has been around for years. There's been lots of different acts and stuff. But then they also have Dizzy, who's been there since the 90s. So I'm just confused. Someone needs to tell me. Maybe one does synth and the other one does something else. I don't know. Here's the interesting thing. Additional voice recording by Axl Rose. They got him in there. Yeah, I know. That's the most amazing thing. I can't believe they got him to do any custom speech. Slash Richard Fortas. I'm probably saying this wrong. Frank Ferrer. Disney Reed, and Guns N' Roses announcer MC Bob. Live footage and concert stream animations from the Not In This Lifetime Tour. Did you know it's one of the highest-grossing tours ever, Bruce? Yes, I did know that. Did you know that the tour went on for over three years? Did not know that. That's the part they never mention. It's like when I think of highest-grossing tour, I think of maybe a world tour that goes on a year. They're including all three years of this tour. I'm not saying it's not a huge tour. I'm just saying. Take that into account. Yeah. All right. Jukebox, a track mode option. Selectable content settings. Family friendly. Default. Boo. Adult. Adds explicit songs, video content, and voice work. There you go. Just sent you something, sir. I see. 120 watt, 2.1 stereo sound system. Bluetooth headphone and Wi-Fi connectivity. Automatic Wi-Fi updates. I do like they said, you can set it up so you can approve it. like whether you want to do the update or not. I would never want anything to update automatically, but I guess it can download it and you come in like, there's an update available, would you like to install? Yes. Drumstick Ramp, oh, I love that. Yeah, I do like that. Oh, I love that. Can I just say... And the CE has an autograph. Yes. Kudos to Jersey Jack. No one does theme integration like they do. It's not even close. It's not even close. I will say the best thing about this, even though I really dislike... I've owned the Guns N' Roses, you know, the Data East. Mm-hmm. And I don't like the music that much. I like to play the game. To play the game is okay. It gets old after a while. But for Jersey Jack, their theme integration and also getting all the assets, getting – Oh, yeah. That is the biggest thing. That will help push sales. And now, hopefully, Stern and Jersey Jack have learned their lesson because Jersey Jack got burned, and so did Stern from Guardians of the Galaxy and everything like that. Maybe they just learned that you need everything to sell. And guess what? You spend a couple hundred bucks, maybe even 500 bucks more, and get all the assets, so then you do want to play the game. Okay, Bruce, I was talking, I said Slash always looks the same. You were talking about Axl Rose. Oh, sorry about Axl Rose. Yeah, okay, so for those at home, Axl Rose, Bruce is saying Axl looks like the grandmother, the mother from Joanie's. And I see. Yes. Or Mickey Rourke. He looks like, yeah. Or Mickey Rourke. Or Mickey Rourke at this point, yeah. Look at Mickey Rourke in our pictures, too. When I was watching the stream and they're showing the concert footage, it's like, you see Slash, who looks like Slash. Oh, Slash always looks like Slash. He never changes. And then you have Duff, who's like in great shape. He looks good. Duff Mad. Duff Mad. And then you have Axel, and you're like, ooh, ooh, okay. I know. Because I'm a child of the 80s and 90s. I saw them in their heyday. Yep. So I hadn't seen them in forever. And then when I saw Axel, I was like, whoa, what happened to poor Axel? And then he sang with ACDC. I was like, whoa, hold on. Now he's uglier than those bastards. But he sounds fucking awesome. It hasn't hurt his voice. No. That's the impressive thing. That dude can still fucking sing. Oh, he can. He can. Well, don't forget, you take 20 years off. That can help you, too. or 15 years doing Chinese democracy or whatever you want to call it. Oh, you mean not singing helped his voice? Yeah, probably did. I would think maybe, you know, if I were a betting man, I would say he quit smoking and gained all the weight. So that's why he's heavy now, but he can sing if I were a betting man. Of course, someone will probably send me a picture of him smoking, like, from a week ago. Yeah, exactly. Right in front of the pinball machine. Yeah, exactly. Right in front of the pinball machine. Yeah, I mean, they have a drumstick ramp. Yep They have symbols in the pops that work That fucking works They have a hi symbol that closes every time the pop gets hit Eric did a great job with this game. Oh, they have an awesome sculpt, Batgalley Creations. It actually was a skeleton. They have guitars, multiple guitars. One, the strings of the bass are the wire form. Oh, it's so good. What do you think Eric did when he saw Avengers with the spinning disc? Oh, yeah. He probably... Damn it! So, yeah. Okay, let's go with this. Keep on going over your things, and think about this. What's the best thing you like about the game, and what's the worst thing you like about the game? The guitar pick. Spinners. Oh, why hasn't someone thought of this in a music game? It's perfect. So think about that, though. What, the best thing? I haven't played it, so I can't even answer that. No, no, what you see-wise. Seeing. I can't think of anything bad that I see. I have one bad thing. Okay, what do you have that's bad, Bruce? I don't like that the slash hat is so big. Don't like that the slash hat's so big? It's really big. It's really... It's smaller than Gene's head on Kiss. I agree, but that's not an interactive toy. It's just a hat in limbo out there. Okay. It is. But I do love, and I think Stern should get into this, we've seen it now with most of JJP games lately, the screen in the back, like in the little screen. Oh, yeah, they have a screen in the, yeah, in the back of the game. That needs to be so if you're trying for other things or if you need hints or if you're going for shots, you look at that screen because you're not taking your eyes. Think about it. How many times do you actually look up and say, oh, this is what's going on here? I never looked up at a JJP screen ever. Never. I play my dial in, like the only time I see any of the jokes, the little ticker that goes across is that someone else is playing and I'm reading it. Exactly. But we need the bomb to go up at least $300 or $200 to get me some screens. A little screen. Well, I was thinking about this. Tell me if I'm off on this. Would you say that Eric Meunier and Pat Waller are in a unique position in that they get a higher bomb to work with than any other designers in pinball? currently. Well, they have to because the games are more. You would think that makes logical sense. Yes. I'm just saying for the people who try to compare the companies. They're like, you know, Stern doesn't have any of this stuff. It's like, well, their bill of materials is not at this level. Exactly. But then you have the opposite problem where you say do I want to spend $12,500 on a pinball machine? One at 500 people can have. Like, when Stern does it, It's max of $50,000 or even $85,000. That's pretty limited. $50,000 or $85,000 what? $50,000 for Elvira. Oh, you mean the super-duper $15,000? No, there's the $15,000. Yeah. Which, if you look at Elvira and say that's $15,000, and then you look... No, the couch says nothing. Yeah, but I'm saying, if you put these next to each other, and you just had a noob, or someone doesn't even know, and you say, like, okay, look at these two. Which game you think is more expensive? Oh, the Guns N' Roses clearly is more expensive. No, actually, that's $12,500. The other one's $15,000. Like, does it do something else? Does Elvira come out of the machine? And Jersey Jack comes with a topper on the CE. Well, you have to pay extra for that on CERN. Yeah. And that, you know, there's a lot of pluses with this Jersey Jack machine, except for the base overall price. That's the very discouraging thing. But I know Stern's been going with this sell toppers and make more money and put more modes on ad-wise. Give it to me all. I'm sorry. He wants it all. I want it all in the beginning. I want it all. I want it all. Because let's look at it this way. If I was a newbie in pinball and I just got my first pinball machine, Jurassic Park, and I wanted to get a topper. I'm screwed I can't get that extra mode because they're not making the toppers right now and why should I be limited why should the first people get this chance to get an extra mode give it to me all give it to me all give it to me all or give it to do the Tron thing give me the mode in the premium in LE. Which you do, actually, even in Deadpool. Well, it wasn't a premium in LE with Tron. It was just a pro in an LE. I know, and a pro in LE, but the LE, you got the extra mode. Yeah, what, Gap, Punk, Multiball, whatever it was. And you also get a little bit of that in Deadpool. You do? Yes. In Deadpool, Disco Loops you get. Oh. You don't get that in Pro. Yeah. But the thing is, you do get something different because the game is different. And there's more options. If you're doing it in, you know, you just do the spinners. First you have to do a premium for Deadpool. You do the outer loop for the premium. You get the loops, and then you get the disco multiball. You know who just got a Deadpool? I know. Raymond Davidson. And watching him play it, it made me sad. It is. He's very good. Yeah. I don't even want to play mine now because I can't do any of the stuff I saw him do. I know. I know. He's pretty impressive. He was hitting the stick thing. I know. Like to get the free. Whatever. Okay, let's move on. But do you agree with me? Would you rather pay more of $300? I'd rather the LE just had the shit and you just get it. Yes. Then you have to pay for it later. And I think that was one of the arguments people said when Stern started doing the Toppergate and all that. It's like, why can't I just get that on? Put it on Yelly. Some cool Yelly thing that only Yelly people can get. No, guess what? Or, since I'm paying the extra money, put it with it, and then if somebody wants to match my extra mode, they have to pay the extra. I don't mind that. But the top game should have everything. Did you know that the Jersey Jacks' exciting new game, Guns N' Roses, comes with Bluetooth headphone and Wi-Fi connectivity? I know I already said that, but I'm saying that again. The only problem with Bluetooth headphones is there's lag. So if you have them on your head and, like, you hit a target, you're going to hear the sound effect a little bit later. Yeah. For most people, that will not matter. For me, I am hypersensitive to AV sync issues. I would never be able to deal with that. So we're going to have a tournament at Ron's house where we have to use the Bluetooth. And then we'll see Ron go fuckers. Like, literally, I'll watch a stream, and if the sound, like, Like, it's always the sound will be ahead of the video because they need to put a delay in there. And if they don't, and it can be slight, where most people don't even notice it. But I notice it, and it's like a five-second delay to me, and I can't watch it. Well, it's funny. When me and Kath were looking for TVs a couple weeks ago, we looked at monster TVs, 85-inch. Oh, my God. Ooh. And we're looking between Samsung and LG. And me and Kath have always owned LGs. and we were looking at the Samsung because it was like $300 cheaper. Like, oh, wow, look at this. And I'm like, did you see that? And she goes, yeah, the lag. I'm like, yep, or the jitter. You see like stutter for a millisecond. And it's the same feed because they're all going off a DVD with HDMI cables or, you know, a Blu-ray, and you see the jitter on the one. And she goes, did you see that? I'm like, yeah, saw it again. And you look at the LG, and I'm sitting there going, it's smooth, you know, no jitter, no stutter, no nothing. I'm sitting there going. And I've always noticed that with Samsungs and a little bit with Sony, they have the jitter. And LGs never have it. I'm sitting there going, I'd rather pay $300 more and not have that because it'll just drive me nuts. Like you with the sound, it's me with the screen. And did you know Jersey Jack's Guns N' Roses pinball also has divertable ramps? No. Two chrome catwalk steel return ramps. Interloop jump ramp. Direction Sensing Spinning Platinum Record Playfield Doctor Strange Toy. I mean, Playfield Toy. Sculptures Slash Iconic Top Hat. Screaming Axl Rosen. He is screaming. Concert Speaker Stack. Two Guitar Picks Shaped RGB Lit Spinners. Oh, they look so good. Look at those things. Oh, 30 RGB. Guns N' Roses Hexagonal. hexagonal stage lighting. Lockdown bar action button. Where's the pin bar? Well, at least we have, everyone calls it the action button, so I guess at least they didn't come up with a different term for it. You know, Stern is the action button. It'd be funny if Jersey Jack called it something else, the something else button. But, yeah, I'm not going to just read the frigging marketing thing. It looks fucking cool. Where's the pin bar? Oh, God. Well, you were famous, I heard. In Poland. Yes, you were. You were on a podcast, and somebody kept on plugging your, where's the pin bar? Well, that's not me. That's Robert Mueller. Yeah, I know. That's Hulk Hogan, i.e. Robert Mueller. Yes, it is. That's the marketing material. You're going to go up to a non-Deep Root game, and you're going to say, where's the pin bar? Where's the pin bar? Exactly. But it looks incredible. Oh, I'm looking at the axle sculpt again. Damn. And they did this smart thing. Oh, would you say, here you go, would you say this has the best art of any Jersey Jack game released? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, what's better than this? I never thought, I didn't think Wizard of Oz was that spectacular. Hobbit was okay. Hobbit was terrible. Yeah, really? I thought it was okay. Diamond Man sucks. No, it's not that good. I own the game, and I'm saying the art's not that good. Willy Wonka is Photoshopped. Yeah, Photoshopped. Cut and paste. This one, it's like, okay, okay. And they did a smart thing. It's like the band is old, so let's make them not human. Let's make them something cool so we can put them everywhere, which is a smart move, which is what they did. And they made it, you know, skeletons make sense because appetite for destruction, skeletons. So you saw some of the gameplay. Well, actually, I saw some of the cool stuff when people were setting them up. So I didn't realize that with all the stuff now in the head, the driver board's on the bottom, the computer's on the upper right, and then the power supply's on, you know, one side and everything like that. And the monitor actually is now magnetized. Magnets hold it. And it actually is a swing arm. So it swings out of the way. So there's magnets that – Oh, yeah, it does swing. I think mine does. I think mine does that. I've never seen that. Yeah, I think I've swung the monitor out on my – that was in a four. That's pretty cool. I thought that was really neat. Yeah. I think that started with Dialed In because that's when Waller came in and changed. Yeah, he decided to just snap out of the bottle. Yeah, yeah, put it in the head, yeah, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's really nice, and I've never really seen it. And when I saw it first set up at Pinball Garage, I think it is out in Ohio, they had a video, and they were playing it and setting it up. And the only thing I saw that I do not like, and it's going to be great for maybe people who are new to pinball or can't play pinball or podcasters that can't play pinball, it's a multiball fest. Yes. That's the problem. Like, yay, I got a multiball. Yay, I got a multiball. Yay, I got a multiball. Yay, I got a multiball. And it's still ball one. It's still ball four. It's not really a multiball. Like, it doesn't start a multiball. It's just the whole game is based around songs. And you can lock balls. And when you start a song, whatever balls you have locked, you get. Plus with a ball saver. Yeah, I got a multiball. Plus with a ball saver. And then when you lose balls, you get more balls back. That part I don't understand. Yeah, you know, I just was like, I saw this, I'm like, multi-balls are supposed to be something like you earn. And it really wasn't earning them. So what was the timeline? You had the Slash Eric thing. Then you had the actual reveal video. Yep. Then you had some other videos were released. There was a... Kevin got his game. Well, straight down the middle, released one. Kevin Manning of Buffalo Pinball. He got his ahead of time. Yep. Because they have a partnership with Thursday. He unboxed it and filmed everything and then posted it when it was revealed. And then they did Buffalo Pinball. Kevin also did the play stream on, what was it, Wednesday? Wednesday, yes. Wednesday, yeah. So you got to see the game. But I saw it actually Tuesday when people were getting their other games and they were setting them up and playing them. Oh yeah, there were other streams. Yeah. And you watch it and And, yeah, the two things that hit me immediately is like, wow, this is the greatest light show I've ever seen on a game. This is insane. Well, the CE has, what, 630 bulbs? 621 because it has a ton of them on the cabinet, which aren't even fully implemented yet. I know. And then the LE has 300 and something, you know. Yes. Yeah. And it's just, and those hot rails. The Hot Rails are almost like you thought Wizard of Oz was too dark. You don't think we have enough GI lighting? We're going to show you. You're going to see everything. I'm going to shock the crap out of you. Watching the gameplay, two things worry me. One is, yes, the continuous never-ending multiball. That's terrible. The second is the fact that these light shows are absolutely incredible. When you start a song, I could not tell what to shoot. No. On any of the streams, what are you supposed to shoot? Hopefully the game tells you or shows it somewhere where you can, because every light flashes, everything. I mean, there are great light shows, but I could not tell where you were supposed to hit the ball. And I haven't, I got to play the thing. Maybe it's way easier when you play it. Like, oh, okay, this isn't a big deal. But just from the streams, what's lit? Everything's lit. Everything is lit. And if you're bad or not great at pinball and you're looking for that thing under glass, yeah. I'm sorry. Getting a multiball every time I – literally, the guy just got the game. He's plunging the ball, and he's like, how many multiballs have I gotten so far? And the guy next to him goes, I think it's five or six you've gotten. He's like, and this is ball two. And I'm like, oh, my God. We're so jaded. We're terrible. Newbies are going to love this game. Oh, newbies are people who can't play pinball. This is the best thing since sliced bread. Come on. Can't we be more positive? I want people to clip this. You can actually use it. Yay, pinball. Yay, multiball. You can go for it. We're so negative. So bad. Boo. Haven't even played it yet, and we're doing criticism. So mean. Now, we were talking about Stern. Everyone's like, oh, it's killed Stern. Oh, yeah, it killed Stern. They're done. Pinside says they're done. Yeah. JJP, new number one. Number one. Chicago Game is going to be worried. Spooky, maybe a little bit. I know they have their timeline for another year locked up, but it puts a lot of pressure on this new guy making a new pinball machine. The other thing you've got to remember, like you said earlier, the assets they were able to get with this game. Yeah. When you have the guy in the band who wants the game made, which was the case both times for both Guns N' Roses. Flash is the driving force and he can get anything you want in the game. You are at a huge event. I mean you look at Eric's previous game, Pirates even he said they were hamstrung so much with the license what they could put in there they had to, I think he even said they basically had to, it became a software thing. You had to make the coolest software or the deepest thing possible to take away from the fact that you couldn't use any assets. Did Jersey Jack screw themselves? Why? Because everyone's going to expect something this awesome for every new game? Yes. They made it too good? They made it too good. They made it too good. Or you can't get all the... Even think about it. Assets are key. We've seen this now. This is one of the lessons we've learned from this game. Yeah, they're never going to get this many assets again for a while. So, now, say if Slash wasn't involved, and they couldn't get 21 songs. You'd end up with ACDC. You'd get 8 or 10 songs. If you had the song selection of ACDC and that kind of stuff, would it be as good as everyone's touting it right now? Of course not. So. The thing is, we haven't even shot the game. We have no idea how it shoots. Yeah, I saw this. I thought it was okay. Well, the thing is, is it bad that I'm looking forward to the standard? I think the standard would be faster. Because everything I've heard is, like, in the factory, everyone wants to play the standard. Because it's just so fast. And they just love the standard. And I'm like, hmm. You know, and if it goes the same route that a lot of the Sterns go, the Pro usually always shoots better. You know, unless you're Keith Owen. Now, but do you feel American Pinball's worried? They've probably dried up their Hot Wheels sales really fast. Yes, they should be worried. Multimorfic's got to be worried. they really do they have not really yeah they have two new games out but yeah it's $10,000 what would you rather pay $10,000 for a multi-morphic or $10,000 for a LE yeah but $10,000 gets you that and then all the future stuff all the future kits that come out if you like them or not and then Deep Root what the hell are they saying right now if we had a pin bar maybe people wouldn't be you know where's the pin bar Well, they did have some of the animations were released on Facebook. Yes, they did. And they did look tremendous. They did look tremendous. Looking forward to more information. But we'll see them this week. We'll see my pinball tilter in action this week, I heard. Your PB tilter? My PB tilter. Oh, and then somebody else. I forgot to tell you this. I'm on Pinball Enthusiast on Facebook. Somebody copied my design of the PB Helper. They just copied it, Bruce. They copied it. You know, because yours is completely unique and no one would think of that that way. No, no, no, no. They actually, they didn't test it as well as we did. We modified the crap out of one of those things with a lot of welding, a lot of different things. And how I tested it, which when I had the Guns N' Roses was, I set the game, my Guns N' Roses, which is a very heavy game. Yes, it is. I set it up with the lights still on it, but I put it up five inches in the air. And it failed the first six times. And so we beefed it up and beefed it up and beefed it up. And when I saw this guy selling the same thing I was making, half-assed, and not as well, and not with the modification that we did, I was like, holy crap. You think it's not going to work? Oh, no, it'll work. But the problem is, if you turn around, that thing's going down. That game will go down. The PB Buddy, the Pinball Buddy, he called it. And I was ripping him on Facebook. And they're like, well, you didn't have a patent on it. I was like, I'm not going to patent an $80 idea. But I was like, this guy didn't do this. This guy didn't do this. This guy didn't do this. And I didn't tell him what he did wrong. Because guess what? He put his item out before really looking into it and really. And then people are razzing him also. He's like, I'm using the 400-pound capacity holder. And people are like, I don't find this. This is nowhere to be found at all. Spears has never made this. And then you got all quiet and never responded to anything. Guess what? Respond to your people who are asking questions on your website. Me and my father had an idea with the tilter. Another idea to get it from where you're at the bottom and getting it all the way up, you know, instead of lifting it physically. And we had something in the prototype stage where it was starting to work, but it would have cost way too much money. Nighthawk Games. Yep. Everyone's there like, what the hell is a tilter? What are you talking about? If you go to our Facebook page, Pinball Lifter. Do you still have the videos on there on YouTube somewhere? Yep, yep. On YouTube also. Those videos have got to be like 10 years old. They are. It's good, actually. I like seeing them because I can see my bat. That's it. So I have another note here. It says profitable. So do you think with Wonka in this game, we can now say that Jersey Jack, for the first time in the history, is profitable? year to year you're saying or profitable from now on you know are you saying yeah I would say I would say before I would say they were not in the black no at any point until recently yes I think this year they might be in the black don't forget you still have to take off moving all this other stuff setting up the lines saying I'm doing can we agree that was a good idea oh that was the best idea yeah that was so dumb all those years you have the entire development crew is in Chicago, and then you have the factory in New Jersey. They should have been in one place in New Jersey. They should have been in New Jersey. The problem was, was that Pat Lohler never wanted to move. Kiefer never wanted to move, which I don't blame them. They have their families already set up. Yeah, and isn't, like, tax stuff and all that better in Illinois than it is in New Jersey? No. About the same. But aren't all the companies that makes the parts and shit, aren't they all based in that area? Well, they are because, but some aren't, but most are. Yeah. No, well, the problem is, I don't know where their cabinet, I think their cabinet supplier is in Wisconsin for Jersey Jacks, so I don't think they use Churchill. So it's nicer that everything's closer to them. The leak times are less. The shipping damage is less because it's less on the mileage and less on the chances. It all works out better for them. Yeah, and it all works out better for pinball. It does, but does it help the people that lost their jobs in Jersey who didn't want to move? I kind of feel bad for them. Yeah, that's true. You know, think about it. If I was working at Jersey Jacks from 2013. 2011. Well, I'm saying, you know, you gave them one year. I'm going to say when they started manufacturing in 2013. Well, their game's in 2012. They didn't really get a lot of them out until 2013, when they started really cranking. But they had lines. Yeah, I know, but they weren't used yet. Okay, okay, okay. So, let's say 2013. If I was working there six years and then got a, oh, by the way, you either move or you lose your job, that sucks for anybody. Anybody. But it's better that it's in Chicago. And it was a standard width, and I think you're never going to see another wide body from Jerk back again. Per Eric Meunier, that was a choice for him. There's no edict at the company that you can't make wide bodies. But the thing is, we know Pat Waller's not going to make wide bodies because he hates them. So Eric is your only hope for wide bodies. Now, here's another thing. Do we see a third designer possibly showing up eventually? Because we've heard Pat Lawler, after this next game, he's going to be retiring. Oh, I never heard that. I heard that from the grapevine. He wants to get, you know, he's getting up in age. Well, he's also, but he's the head of design there. But guess what? You don't have to design. So you think he'll just be head of design? Head of design, you know, making sure everything works perfectly. He's basically the George Gomez of. Exactly. Yeah, I think he's going to become the George Gomez. So maybe make an occasional design, maybe? Yes. Okay. but I don't think he's going to want to do it full time. So I think he was the main driving force, as I said before, of coming up to Chicago, making that factory, and making the machine more like Williams. And that's how I think they got the backer really behind them. The father and son team backer, who I really should know their names being that they own the frigging company at this point, and I don't know their names. I'm sorry. But, you know, I think it's going to be a home run for them. Oh, it's just totally home. They sold out of the CEs. It's already a home run, baby. I think they're going to sell 4,000. Now, do we go to the next thing? This is the next question. Will I like it? No. Oh. Will they make another limited edition or a special edition? Oh, like another, like Guns N' Roses, Blood Red Edition, Guns N' Roses. Slash Edition. Slash Edition. I don't know. Do they make that? Don't know. I think they will. It is funny that this game came about because of Slash relationship. With Jack. And now Jack is no longer really there. In the company. It's weird. It's very weird. So do you think you're going to like the game, Bruce? Do you think you're going to get to play the game anytime soon? Because where I'm living, I'm not. See, we're in a weird position now. When you had the bar and there was actual pinball shows, I was always the person who got to play all these games. Yep. now you're in an area where they actually get these games. Yes. I'm not, and there are no pinball shows, so I'm screwed now. So it's all going to be up to you. I'll probably be playing it within a week to ten days. You suck. And I'll be playing also... Avengers. Avengers LE. Fuck you. See ya. And guess what? I'm going to invite you out when he gets it. Ooh. Because it's going to be in Rochester. Mm-hmm. At a person's house. Oh, and there's one other piece of news I'd like to give you. What piece of news? Okay, what piece of news are you going to give me, Bruce? It's shipped. Oh, Rick and Morty. It's shipped. It was actually supposed to ship last week. It was supposed to ship Thursday last week. And I said no. You're going to be on vacation. I'm going to be on vacation. And he's like, he emails me this email, like, you know, check the box, make sure there's no damage. If there's any problems with, hold on, I'm going to bring it up, because it's actually a really nice email. So, oh, and I have to make a correction. Oh, what did you screw up now? Jeff Parsons is still in the game. He is? Okay. Yeah, I just, either his voice sounded different to me, or when I was watching the stream, because there was a later stream with newer code, and he was definitely in there. Okay, here we go. You're Rick and Morty will be shipping in the next few days. We've had a small run of shipping damages lately, you know, check the box for damage, and he goes, open the box up and inspect the game before you sign. And he goes, you'll get a call prior to delivery to schedule. If you have any issues with shipping at this time, please advise ASAP. Because I've already paid. It's already paid for. I'm like, I'm on the runaway like, do you know when it's going to be shipping? I am not going to be here. I'm going to be on vacation. I'll be at my house to accept it. And he came back and said, I was trying to ship today, but let's hold it now. And as it arrives during those dates, I'll ship it next week, and it'll arrive the following week. So it's going to ship actually tomorrow. and I should be getting it Monday. Oh, my. So we are not going to be opening it, though, until my friend gets his house set up. Mm-hmm. But then we'll get you out here again for that. So you get to play Rick and Morty and Avengers. Wow. And every Rick and Morty I've seen now, people have been streaming the new, new ones, are a lot better with the flow. Yeah, which would suck if you were early. I know. I love it. Don't get on early on these. Oh, no, no, no. I don't even like getting early on. Think about it. On these Guns N' Roses, I'd rather wait a month. You don't have to be the first person. I made a note here. I think I judge games differently than most people. Than me? In that I think most people, like the game will have different categories. You know, like the play field is this. You know sound and music is this The art is this Rules is this right And like depending on how good it is in the categories you determined how much they like the game I don't think a game's that way. Okay. My game rating is, at least for something I would actually buy, is more like the game of death with Bruce Lee, which is basically you go floor to floor. Like, each floor is a different boss, and you beat him to get all the way up to, I think, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the final floor for the final battle. Yeah. So, for me, the first level is playfield. How does it shoot? Yes. If I don't like that enough, I don't even go beyond to the other levels. Yeah. It'll just be something I would never, ever buy. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree with you. That's kind of how I rate the games. So if you had, like, if I got past the play field section, I'm trying to think. The next might not even be rules for me. It might be actually just the sound. How is the sound in the game? Yeah, rules are second for me. Then CF, that's for you. Third might be, would probably be rules. And fourth, like a distant fourth, would be like art. Yeah, sound. Art is nothing for me. I'm the same way with you on that. So we're pretty close. Now, what do you think of GNR in your future? Question mark? Yes? No? I'd have to play it. And like I said, I'd like to play the standard. Yeah. Now, if you like it, would you buy it? That's the hard part now. And if you got to play both? Yeah, I'd have to play both. I'd have to play the standard and the LE. Would I buy it? Here's the issue. Don't tell me room. If you tell me room, I'm going to kick your ass. Well, the room is true. That is an issue. But, no. The multiball. Yeah, it is. If I'm literally going to be a multiball all the time, remember, I'm the guy who puts over, like, I love Metallica because the crank-it-ups are single-ball wizard modes. Yes. On Deadpool, the Megalocracolastor, or whatever the hell it's called, is a single-ball wizard mode. So I love single-ball wizard modes. And then you have a game where every song, you have 21 songs, and every one of them, you have the possibility, if you lock balls, of being a multiball. Yay! Bounty ball! Yay! Best game ever! Yay! And the whole thing where if I can't tell what I'm supposed to be shooting, that's the one thing we – yeah, I've got to bring this up. So the way it works, you get all seven members to start a song. You start a song, and then you've got to hit certain shots, which don't seem to be very clear from the streams I've seen as far as – because everything is lit. Everything is flashing. Everything is flashing. Hopefully the game is more clear. Maybe it's on the display in the back. You know, shoot this. Maybe it'll actually be better on the SE. Maybe. So you shoot these shots, and it builds your power meter, which is basically Guitar Hero, the rock band type thing. And if the meter goes all the way up to the skull, the skull, like, head bangs with you. Yep. If you fail, and trapping up will make it fail, because you're not hitting shots, so Bruce would like that. you will, it goes, meter goes all the way down and the flippers go down and you get booed off stage and then the ball kicks back out and the ball kicks back out, what I was thinking and the band would never agree to this but you know all the multiple instances that Axl has had of storming off the stage for various reasons if you use that clip, like every time the flippers died, it just had a clip of Axl with him, giving a finger security, I'm out of here and he just drops the mic and leaves and the band goes off wouldn't that be perfect There's multiple instances of him doing that, too. You have the one where, like, he attacks the fan. So, like, you fail and you get attacked by Axel. That would have been perfect. But they would have never agreed to that. Okay, so come on, Ron. You think you'd have to play it. I would actually like to play the SE also. I would like to play the SE. I like to play both. Which no one is going to say that. That would probably be the only podcast I would ever say that. I think visually it's going to be a beautiful game. Oh, it looks gorgeous. The integration, the light show, it's insane. It's incredible. It is the most beautiful game I've ever seen. Is it my cup of tea? No. Kathy saw this game. You saw it in our, we have a chat, and Kathy's involved with it. And she's like, Guns N' Roses again? No. She hates Axel. That was before it was revealed. She just hates Axel. She hates Axel. She is a big Axel hate. Yeah. For me, I still want to have a premium Avengers. Thank you, Heath. Thank you, Ray Ray. I am still going to be in on that. I have been selling crap and everything, trying to make it all good. I sold two of the driving games. Two more are still available. Come on, buy them. I am buying, buying from me. Please buy my games. I sold Bram Prick. The Prick is gone. I've been repairing games up the arse with now every Friday. Before we get into that, I have one last note to put a bow on the Guns N' Roses thing. I had a little note. Now, we really should take the high road on this, but we're not going to. Because this happened during the reveal, and I just laughed my ass off on this one. This was funny. Well, we said we never mentioned his name. I screwed up on this because Dr. John mentioned him. But we didn't, so it doesn't count. While the reveal is going on, so during the reveal, a certain Twippy award-winning podcaster, so that narrows it down, he was Facebook-living. He was on Facebook Live, you know, giving his reactions to the game. The problem was he had his informant, the person feeding him the inside information, he had him on too and didn't realize he had him on his speaker. So everyone watching his Facebook Live could hear this person, the other person. Who would that be? The funny thing is, well, it's the Internet. So, well, eventually his chat were like, yo, bro, we can hear your informant, dude. You may want to mute him out. He's the person he's busted his balls on and everything, too. So, being the Internet is what it is, it didn't take long for people to research and figure out who the informant was. And it's someone we know. Yeah, we've had a problem with this tool ourselves. We won't say his name. Yeah, this is the tool who got all pussy whipped and all damp in his pants because two years ago, it was about three years ago, Three years ago, we had the put our pictures in the back glass. What is that? This was the guy that was downvoting all our videos and all our shit. Yeah. So Ryan C. decided to put him in one of those back glasses in a non-flattering way. On the Captain Fantastic one? Yes. And he had the signs actually saying his name. Well, that was a later one. He contacted us and like, remove my likeness or I'll sue you. It was his Facebook picture, so that's public domain. I hate to say it, but yeah. Yeah, he's the tool. That was interesting. I just, when I heard that, and then I heard who it was, and he's a distributor. That's how he's giving them the inside info, et cetera. But it was still funny. It was still funny as hell. Maybe he should lose his distributorship for giving out the inside info. What do you think would happen with that? Do you think Jersey Jack would give a shit? In some times, yes, I think he would. But maybe if the game was not known as Guns N' Roses. Like, everyone in the universe didn't know it was Guns N' Roses. And maybe other manufacturers will actually look at this guy and say, Hey, if you've done this for this guy once, who says you're not going to do it for my gaming? Mm-hmm. Stern might say, Hey, go pound salt. You don't sell as much. But again, no names mentioned. Yeah. But there was also trolling being done by Stern. Yes. Let me just find the video, because it's funny. And this is something everyone listening can look up themselves. And the funny thing is, when I first saw this video, I thought the title of it was weird. It's a video, if you go to Stern Pinball's YouTube channel, they put out a video, which is a very good video. It's George Gomez, and he's going over the Spike 2 system. He's going over all the boards, how they work, all that stuff. But the title of the stream was, Should You Buy a New Stern Pinball Machine? Pinball expert and chief creative officer, George Gomez. And I was thinking, shouldn't it say, like, Spike 2 Explained or something like that? That's a weird title. Then someone else we knew noticed that there was another video that has the exact same title. So if you want to see something funny, just search for it. Should you buy a new Stern pinball machine? Search for that in YouTube, and you will find two videos, the Stern one and another one. And there you go. that's all I'll say that was a troll the other one was bad what other one the fact that they were doing a heavy metal yeah I think they just wanted to get that out of the way because they don't care to be honest I don't play that thing oh god $8,000 for that thing that looks like that's $8,000 for the pin $8,000 for the pin yeah yeah no thank you that was funny no thank you oh man so repairs I was going back into that Yep, repairs. Every other week, I either go to Zach's house or Zach comes over to my house and we get a couple guys. We actually have five guys coming over and we're working on stuff and playing games. Wait, wait, you have five guys food or five guys? Five guys. Oh, okay. And last week, two weeks ago actually, we did Countdown. We got Grand Prix all working. Countdown is booted and working now with that new board from the flip. I just have to rebuild the flippers. And I just got all the parts today from PBR. I get to knock some pins out of Gottlieb flippers. I am working on an 8-ball for one of my customers, getting that working. He picked it up as a project. I have the Batman, the guy with that Batman with the missing ball guides. He found the ball guides. Guess what I'm going to be working on. Didn't you tell him just to buy a new Batman? I told him to. He doesn't want to. Okay. Bang your head against the wall, that was. I said, by the time I give you my bill, you're going to be way over this pinball machine. He doesn't care. So that will be the fun part. And then we went to Zach's, and I got to play Zach's homebrew game for the first time. Because the rules are coming along. And Zach is making a homebrew game, poker theme. Does it have a title yet? No, it does not. He has not figured out a title yet. But it has five flippers and seven or eight skill shots in the beginning. Skill shot one achieved. skill shot to achieve. I will say one thing. It is faster than snot. It has a great flow. But here's the problem is, it's sort of a stop and go game where you have to, you know, trap up. But the problem is, it's very hard to trap up on that game. I think we'll have Zach on maybe in a couple weeks when he gets the rules a little more dialed in. But the cool thing, what he's doing, he's putting a projector above the play field to do the artwork of the drop targets. So every ball, or every game, the drop targets will change. So it's really neat. He's using the projector technology. The stranger thinks technology are being used. Yes, but above, Ariel pointing down at the play field. And it has MagnaSave. It's got a unique thing. I'll let him tell everyone on the right out lane. Really cool. It's the last chance ball save, and I've never seen it used this way, and it works really well. Mm-hmm. What did you think of it when you played it? Did you play it? Oh, I played it. is very interesting. It needs a title. It does need a title. So if anyone out there wants to give us... That's a card game title. Yeah, that hasn't been used. That's the problem. That's the hard part. Because we went through the poker terminology book trying to think of new titles, and Zach didn't like any of them. No, he didn't. So give us some titles, guys, and help out Mr. Zach. Once he gets better with the rules, I think we're going to have him on. We'll get some pictures behind the scenes. We'll even get him on Twip, and we'll get him noticed by Stern or JJP, and he'll be hired. And he'll be our fourth person we've gotten hired. More likely Spooky. Probably. Because he probably wouldn't have to move. Yeah, probably not. So my repairs are going along well. I just did another connectors on valleys. Yay. And I'm getting ready to boot up a D8 ball, which is pretty simple. And we'll see where we go from there after that. Oh, and we've had requests now for an interview. And since you know him so well, I think you should be getting this interview. We need to get Stu McVicker on. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, Stu, he streamed. Me and you could not get to Reactor 9 at co-op. Me and Zach couldn't get to Reactor twice. We tried Reactor 9. So Stu decided to just do it himself. So he played a co-op game, four players, and blew up Reactor 9. But he still lost. Yeah, that's interesting. I saw that. I didn't realize. I guess if you do it in co-op mode, you still fail. Yeah. It literally says you fail. Even though it says Total Nuclear Annihilation, like achieve or whatever, you still fail. Yeah, you've got two million points and everything, but you still fail. You still fail because you did it in co-op. That's just rude. I agree. But I kind of like that, actually. It's kind of troll-y, but yeah. So now you can sell it. I don't know. I just was. I've been really getting into that lately. I'm sorry. Is it because of co-op only? You admit it. It's the only reason why. Ah, and the music. It is. And the music. But it's the co-op. And now that I actually have it working entirely for a long period now. For the longest period, it's worked without breaking. Yeah. Well, let's see. What have I worked on? Well, I will have to start working on Johnny Mnemonic. The teardown? Yeah, because the spinner, the new spinner, is already doing the Johnny Pneumonic spinner thing, where it just goes horizontal. It just goes lie flat. Oh, yeah, you've got to bend it. And I read stuff, you've got to bend it, but then there's other posts like, yeah, I tried that and it broke. So I have two spinners, so I'm going to do, I have the original one, which is still, it's not broken or anything, but it had the same issue. I'm going to try that one first, bending, playing with it, trying to get the thing freaking vertical. we'll see how that goes. But yeah. You know, 300 gigs is really hard to do. 300 gigs. Well, the weird thing is the decals are on that spinner backwards. It's bizarre. I looked at it. They're not even on there correctly. It's weird. Is it 180 out? Yeah. Is it reverse? It's spinning around. 180. It was Gene Simmons' tongue on the other side or something. Alright, yeah. That's right, and that's why I told you on the other side. I'm Gene Simmons of KISS. I put some new code in Meteor because me and my dad were streaming on a Sunday, and we played some Meteor, and our very own Scott was watching the stream, and he noticed an issue. He sent us a fix, but in typical Scott fashion, he sends me this software and says, this is the fix your double match issue you and your dad had. Not that you noticed. Thank you, Scott. And this guy's in customer support. I hope he doesn't talk to people like that on the phone. If you had paid attention to me, your issue would have gone away. Dumbass. You want to do mail? Let's do some mail. Let's do some mail. Okay. Mail ball bag time. We got an email from Jeremy Wilson. Hi, Jeremy. Hi, Jeremy. I was just wondering what it takes to get a shout-out about my fundraiser for a local barcade that's getting hit hard by the pandemic, let me know. It takes you sending us an email. There you go. Which you just did. So this GoFundMe is for Cabin Fever. Cabin Fever in Toronto. Oh, we're a little late. They already reached their goal. Exactly, so we're done. So, yes, Save Cabin Fever is in Toronto. They wanted to raise $15,000. So far they have raised $15,083. But feel free to send more. Yep. because this pandemic ain't going away anytime soon. God, no. So, again, that's just go to GoFundMe and just search for Save Cabin Fever. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. We have an email from Zach. What? Yes. Wasn't he just on? An email from Zach. Of course, he's not going to comment on the episode he was on, but this is our very own Zach. Hi, Zach. He sent us an actual email with absolutely no formatting of any kind, because God knows how he's sending it. He's probably sending it in, like, Vi or TextEdit or something. Like, there's absolutely no breaks, paragraphs, anything. All right. After I just made fun of it. Finally listened to episode 150. Hi, Emily and Dr. John. A few days after the release of 151 and thought for once I'd actually write in. Funny seeing all your thoughts on the Deep Root reveal after seeing the Deep Root reveal. I wonder how your bets on JJPs will stack up. I think they stacked up pretty good. Mm-hmm. I hope it's a wide body personally. Nope. Nope. I hate to see every manufacturer doing the same dimensions. I'm sorry. Guess what? Welcome to the real world. Pity Deep Root didn't announce their games were going to be one inch wider or something. Don't understand the Wodka hate. Bruce thought the hole was impossible, but the one I played, the ball would go right in every time. Nope. I have no hint of any rejects. So you're wrong, Bruce. No, I'm not wrong. Because guess what? We played it afterwards at the same place, and everybody had the same problem. So maybe it's that one, but I played other ones, and I had the same problem. I haven't had that issue. Okay. Dr. John said it was a two-shot game, but I thought there was a lot of stuff I was trying to shoot for, although he did own it, so. I agree that Hot Wheels is fun, even if it'd be nice to have wider shots. Yeah. It does have the Joe Balcer narrow shot syndrome. Stop the crap. What the fuck? Try to... Don't give me 12 shots that are impossible to hit. Give me nine that I can enjoy. I would have expected a Hot Wheels game to flow more. I agree with Ron about how disappointing the new Lethal Weapon code is, but I disagree with your wording. Oh. Not having a delay before ejecting the balls from scoops isn't broken. It's flow. Not giving long instructions before video modes isn't broken. It's streamlined. It does have instructions. Yeah, they flash for like two seconds. Yeah, God. It's great. When you start video mode, it says grab the gun and fire, and the screen does instruct you to shoot the bad guys. It just happens fast. I had no problem getting a good score on the video mode the first time I ever played the game, just from those quick instructions. Well, he's young and can read faster. That's all I can say. The flight mode shows an animation of hands mashing the flipper buttons, then starts. Again, you have time to get the gist of what you should be doing, even if lethal weapons experts can't agree on the best pattern. The only way the original code was broken was sometimes when animations played over each other. And he says, P.S. Dennis, call me. I'm assuming he means Dennis pretty slow. Yeah, maybe we'll have to get Dennis and him on the same show. The driest podcast ever. Maybe we should take a week off and let them do the podcast. There you go. We'll just call it Dry. Dry. So very dry. U.S. Dry instead of Canada Dry. Instead of Canada Dry? U.S. Dry. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. The PowerPoint quiz. Ooh. The thing that John sent us in July when we were asking him for games. So here we go. Another time waster for you this week. Nothing to do with pinball. It has all to do with drunk celebrities and the things they do. If such a subject doesn't conform with the frantic rules of podcasting, I understand. Eh, go scratch for it. It's purely to be read out. Use PowerPoint slide. Show full screen presentation. Questions are multiple choice on one side. Answer on the next. Ten questions for a maximum of ten points. No buzzers, just guests. Okay. All right. Ready? I've got to get a piece of paper. Give me two seconds. My one piece of paper is filled up with notes, so I'm going to go to a clean new piece of paper. It's got all those Pornhub links. No, it's got all... You could just bookmark those, you know. I have job stuff. Job. Since I've been trying to get a job here. Come on, I don't want to work, but I gotta work. I gotta work, boy. I gotta work, work, work. Still dealing with bar stuff. Still trying to close the bar. Wow. Okay, I know. I'm trying to get money back from the liquor license. This is the Slam Tilt Drunk Idiot Quiz. Good name, Dr. John. I don't drink and neither do you, so I don't really... Yeah. This is a multiple choice quiz. Each slide has a choice of three answers, and one of them is actually true. After the question slide, the true answer will be revealed, so no peeking. Ten questions for a maximum of ten points. Good luck. Are you ready? I'm ready. I'm living the dream. Okay, here we go. When Billy Idol got in trouble with this hotel in Thailand, he, and the multiple choices, He kidnapped a maid and stole her clothes to escape in disguise, jumped from a third-floor balcony into the pool to make a getaway, had to be shot with a tranquilizer gun by the army to get him out of his room. Okay, you have your answer written? Well, we can say what we think the answer is. I know. Well, I don't want to bias you, but I have my answer ready. I do. Mine is two. Jumped from a third-floor balcony into a pool to make a getaway. Okay, we both agree. Yes, we both agree. And? The answer is... No, he had to be shot with a tranquilizer gun by the army to get him out of his room. Nice. Wow. Zero points for either. Okay. Ron and Bruce, zero, zero. Okay. That's good. Oh, no, this is the kiss one, kind of. Oh, my God, I have an immediate disadvantage. It's time for me, Bruce. Have you gone to our latest farewell tour? Yes. Number six or seven? Six or seven. Ace Frehley was so desperate for an alcohol. For an alcohol? Oh. For alcohol. For alcohol. It says a alcohol. Ace Frehley was so desperate for alcohol, he once drank perfume from a limousine because someone told him it had alcohol in it, drained the leftover bottles from an album launch party that were thrown in the dumpster outside, drunk the alcoholic hand-wipe bottle used by the studio to clean down equipment? I have my answer. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. A. I say C. Drunk the alcoholic hand-wiped bottle. Okay. All right. Let's see what we got. The answer is... Drank perfume. Woo-hoo! I'm a little dinged because someone... Oh, was that the first one? That's the first one. Okay. You're ahead. One-nothing. One-nothing. Finally. Finally? We just started. No, I'm usually behind every time in these quizzes. All right. Let's do this next one. After Keith Moon, the Who drummer, passed out on stage during a show, the band continued the set and no one in the crowd complained or noticed. A roadie made drum noises in the microphone for the remainder of the set. The band asked a random drunk kid from the audience to fill in for him. I know my answer because I know this one. Still haven't won. Hold me two seconds. While I look it up on the internet? No, not. I'm not. I'm trying to. I'm going. I'm going with. Okay. I'm going A. No. C. Really? They asked us. They had. Yeah. This is on. This is. There's video of this, too. This happened at the Cow Palace. This is where he took horse tranquilizers and literally passed out. So, yeah, they had a kid fill in. Interestingly, oh, he's got a whole thing on here. The band asked a random drunk kid. Yeah, it's hilarious if you ever watch the clip. They said, can someone play and you better be good? I remember that. Interestingly, the person that got to play drums was Scott Halpin, and he won the Rolling Stones Pickup Player of the Year Award later that year. Okay, so 1-1. All right. Black Sabbath guitarist Tony Iommi once fell asleep mid-performance after a hard day of drinking, set his drummer on fire after pouring a bucket of alcohol on him, had to be rushed to a hospital when he drank a bottle of drain cleaner thinking it was booze. I know this one, too. Oh, God. I'm sorry. I'm good with the drunk stories. I see that. I'm going to have to go A, fell asleep. Nope. You set Bill Ward on fire. The drummer. Well, let me check. Yep, you're right. Oh, you can read it? I can read it. Okay, you're better than me. Now, how about you read the next one, then, because I can't read these. Okay, Rod Stewart had such a drug habit that, one, he once snorted a line of white chalk that someone had drawn when outlining a concert venue layout. Two, he started using cocaine anally to prevent damage to his nose. three he accidentally served marijuana laced brownies to his backing band's family hit together I'm thinking three I'm saying C I'm saying one and the answer is he snorted cocaine anally so we both lost oh god how do you snort cocaine anally I don't know how the hell do you do that well he started it using anally so his body absorbed it Oh, my God. All right, what's the next one? Oh, we got Guns N' Roses. Okay, Splash from GNR once smashed a window when naked at a golf course in Arizona to, one, escape from Predator Alien when he was stoned. God, it is fucking hard to say. When he was stoned. Two, get back at the golf club for not allowing him to be a member. Three, to break in after hours to get more booze for the band. I don't think it's the great game we got. I'll say C. Escape from the Predator alien when he was born. Damn it! Oh, my God. Damn it. What's the score? 2-1 still. You're winning. Okay. Okay, another GNR one. This is good. We set it for the perfect time. Guns N' Roses guitarist Izzy Stradlin once. You know, Izzy Stradlin. Stradlin? Stradlin. No L in it. Stradlin. He spelled it wrong. It's Izzy Stradlin. Stradlin. Izzy Stradlin, get it? S-P-R-A-D-I-N, he has that. Yeah, that's wrong. That's not me. That's wrong. That's wrong, Dr. John. Izzy Stradlin, one of my friends is a big Guns N' Roses fan, and per him, he was the key to the ban. They pretty much never came up with anything good after he left. One, used the ban private plane to fly his favorite hooker to the hotel where they were in. Two, urinated in the aisle of a commercial plane because he got sick of waiting for the toilet. Three, talked a pilot into letting him hire a light aircraft when he missed his flight to a gig, even though he couldn't fly. I'm thinking one. I'll say two. Okay. Urinated in the aisle. Yeah! God, oh my God. Woo-hoo! I know my rock stars. Yeah, I guess. Okay, Amy Schumer. once housed that for Jake Gullion G and when drunk ate his old frozen birthday cake from his freezer when she got the munchies Two accidentally killed his cat when she lost control of a motorized toy Jeep he had Three, fell down his stairs, not only breaking her leg, but destroying a statue worth seven figures given to him by Steven Spielberg. I'm thinking one again. Ate his frozen birthday cake. I'll say three. Ate his old frozen birthday cake. So three-two. That was good. I got a little redemption there. I need one more. Okay. How did Mexican harmonica player Raymond Barrero die in 1994? Won by attempting the U.S.-Mexican border crossing while playing the harmonica. Yikes. Inhaled the world's smallest harmonica, choking to death mid-performance. Electrocuted on stage playing the first electric harmonica. Oh, God. I am thinking it's three. Electrocuted on stage. I'll say two. Inhale the smallest. Yep, you got it, Ron. So you are the winner by fault because it's four-two. Question left. The Moose drummer, Keith Moon, wants to destroy the hotel room by letting the bathroom overflow and releasing lobsters in the water. Two, setting fire to the bed and roasting a pig. Three, nailing all the furniture to the ceiling. I think I've heard this one. I think it's three. Yeah, I'll say three. Nailing all the furniture. Yep. Yep. Hope we had some fun. You won, 5-3. Yes, I won. Yes. Nice one, Rockman. It's actually one of my worst things I do in trivia. Yeah. Music trivia? Yeah. Well, as if it was about ELO, then of course. I know, but you know. The evil woman. Okay, so I can finally move that to the archived email section. Yay! Thank you, Dr. John. Do you think you could have used a better font color? Oh, my God. Black on black. I couldn't read it. Black on black. I have a black. Black on black. No, no, no. Blue on black. What else do we have on our list? what other show, well, we're going to have this week, we're going to have the virtual Pinball Expo. Pinball Expo! It'll be done. No, I hope not. Well, you're pretty lazy lately. Yeah, the last episode where we recorded later in the week and then Bruce is yelling at me two days later, is it done yet? It's like, no, it's going to take the same amount of time that it always does, but it didn't because I did it all nighter just to get it done just for you. Yeah, baby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a subject that comes from one of the other podcasts I listen to, Eclectic Gamers Podcast. They had a thing about influencers. Like, would you consider us influencers, Bruce? I think anybody who is a podcaster can influence anybody. Yeah, so as influencers, there's a certain code we are supposed to abide by. There is actually a rule, a rules, disclosures for social media influencers. And I recommend listening to the, well, they might have a newer one out by the time this comes out, but it's the two-hour Eclectic Gamers podcast. They had a part of it where they were talking about influencers and how they're actually supposed to let you know if they're being compensated or if they're doing something for a company. and that doesn't really happen. This all came about because of the whole Deep Root thing. Yeah. The fact that once you sign an NDA, Tony, one of the hosts of the show, was basically saying that now I can't trust anything you say about Deep Root, like ever. I kind of agree with him. Because you have signed an NDA. You've given money. Well, whatever. But, I mean, you've signed an NDA. I can no longer believe anything you say. Even though you might be totally telling the truth. Yeah. And there's actually a bunch of guidelines, and just go over and check it out. There's a link to it. It's a short little PDF. Luckily, we follow them all, because we take no money. But it's not just money, Bruce. I know. I was thinking of things like you have Deadflip. Yes. Who even states, I am a, what is it, pinball ambassador for sure. Pinball ambassador, yeah. So he gets games from them to stream. I mean, they're not his. He has to give them back eventually. I don't know what kind of arrangement they have. But according to the rules, you're supposed to mention, like, if he's a pinball ambassador, he should be, like, saying it throughout every stream. I'm getting money from Stern, and Stern's supporting me. Not just at the beginning. If you follow the letter of the law. It's very interesting. Yeah. That's why you don't take money from people, and you're good. But it's like if in Buffalo Pinball, they have a partnership with Jersey Jack. Jack, yeah. I mean, that's Kevin Manning got his game so they could do the thing he did, the unboxing with Eric Menear on the line. Do the thing you do. So he's basically saying things like if you're doing stuff like that, you need to make it very, very clear. And to do it multiple times, that's the interesting part. You can't just do it at the beginning of the stream. The stream's like two hours long. It's not like you're supposed to do it. certain parts during the stream so someone didn't see the first part, they'll still know. It's just very interesting to me. And it brought up an issue I've been having lately with podcasting, Bruce. It's an issue you would never have. Morals? See, I could design a game and if Bruce thought it sucked, he would come on here and say, any game sucked, Ron. I kind of would. Yeah, he would. See, he is bad cop. He's truly bad cop. No, I'm actually honest. You're the guy, and people like that. I'm the appreciator. We've had listeners that say one of the reasons we like you is because you guys tell it like it is. You're not in the pockets of the blah, blah, blah. That's also one of the reasons a certain Twippy award-winning podcaster is very popular, who plays up that big time, and he's right. He's not in the pockets of any companies. You would think he was after this one. You would think he was. Well, but he's not, so that's kind of his gimmick. But I have found this more difficult lately due to when we started this four years ago, I didn't know anyone in the industry. I felt I could freely say anything. Like, you know, Steve Ritchie's my guy, but I don't know Steve Ritchie. Yeah, now you do. Well, not really. My dad does. Four years later. You know a lot of others. First, we have Tim Sexton. In which we got him a job. We got him a job. He was our, like, almost third host he was on so often. He was. And then he gets hired by Stern. Yep. And, you know, Steven Bowden is on our show a lot. He gets hired by Deep Root. Yep. And Raymond Davidson was on our show a lot. He came up with the term Clusterbuck. He did. He gets hired by Stern. Boy, we are like, if you want to get a job. What I'm saying is, I feel it harder and harder to say things about games that they have worked on. I don't. You don't. I'm editing this Deep Root, or the last podcast, Deep Root, and I'm editing the thing thinking to myself, man, I hope Steven Bowden doesn't hate me after this. I don't think he would because the good thing about Steve is he knows as a person, I love Steve. Steve is actually one of the most down-to-earth human beings I have ever met. He does not have hate. I don't hate his game. I hate his company's owner. I hate what he's said and what he's done and what he's propagated. I don't hate Steve. I've said that many times. Steve is, honestly, he's one of my Facebook friends. Every time he posts, I am the first one to like his stuff because guess what? I like Steve. Steve is a good person. He's good for this hobby. He's good for everything in this world. This is what people should be like with Steve. Steve is the person I would love to be. He is very positive and that kind of stuff. I am not. I'm going to tell it like it is. Steve does also, though, but Steve does it in a nice way. In a nice way. And he does. He is very friendly. But I have found it more and more difficult. I don't. I know you don't. So we will continue to use our good cop, bad cop rules. Yes. I know you were probably cringing when we were doing the editing, like, oh, God, these guys are going to hate me. And I know you had that problem even with just editing me, you know, because I've actually said that a couple times. Why did you take this out? and you're like, oh, well, you know, it's kind of put, I'm like, really, Ron? Come on, you know, and we've had that discussion. And, you know, luckily it's now that Ron's gotten used to me, you know, and he knows my. This is Bruce in a nutshell. I told this story before, but I'll tell it again. We're at a show. It's probably Texas. And there's that demo man there. And this is the early days of LED action. So someone has LED'd out this demo man, and it's full strobe, can't see the ball, you know, just. Every time I watch this game, I'm looking at this game, my eyes are actually getting weaker because they're being blinded so bad to corneas that every time it flashed, I lost a day of sight. Me and Bruce were there, and there's a third guy just standing there. Watching us. I'm figuring, yeah. And he's like, what do you think? And I'm thinking, like, this guy's the owner of the game. Like, I hope Bruce doesn't say something. Oh, you know me. And Bruce is like, it looks like shit. This is terrible. So I'm there like, oh, God, this is going to get uncomfortable. Turn up the guys at WorldSmartGame, and I'm there like, oh, God. And, of course, Bruce says, it's your game, man. You can do whatever you want with it. I said, you can do whatever you want with it, but it's not nice. It's not popular. It's not acceptable. So, Bruce, even though your opinions can be horribly wrong, TNA dialed in, still, your opinions are, yeah. Well, after Stu broke, wait a second, after Stu broke your game and made it, you know, he won. You beat TNA. You did. Yes. What did I say to you? What's the first message I sent to you? You said I should sell it. Yes. So mean. Maybe I could now that you have a Rick and Morty. So one of us has a spooky game. So it's the same as either of us having spooky games. Yeah. And look at that. It's always like Scott Benisti, you know, has made fun of me. Well, yeah. Yeah, because you do. You hate TNA. But... Should I replay that video again? But we both each own Scott D. C. K. Yeah, that's kind of interesting. Yeah, it is kind of interesting. Well, you haven't played yours yet. I know. I'm looking forward to it. Mm-hmm. This is only one of the few times I've actually never played the game but bought it. Yeah. Theme matters, folks. It does. So I'll check off the influencers thing. So I will try to be honest, but it is difficult. I will do it in a classier way than Bruce. No, I will not. Like I will say, Black Knight, Sword of Rage. I prefer the pro over the premium. I think the upper play field was very uninspired, especially when Steve Ritchie has made some really good upper playfields. When you have one that basically has a loop, a target, and a lock shot, and that's it. Boring. And I thought the play field was sort of pedestrian. It had a cool toy. It sucked. It sucked. Honestly, I thought the best parts of the game were software related, so I guess I'm putting over Timmy. Yeah. The music, the call-outs are funny as hell. Probably one of the first Stern games to have really good animations in it that I can think of. And Steve Ritchie finally got a good art package. It's the first one since No Fear. And the music from Scott Ian, yes. But the best part about that game is when you get the night mode. You know, when you're actually in the old game. You spell the night and it goes into old, yeah. Yeah, that's the best part of the game. And you go through the old sounds. Yep, that's the best part. Mm-hmm. And at least Cern has realized that. Old game sounds and old game, you know, bonus counts and everything like that, that is really cool, like Deadpool. I love Deadpool. Deadpool is the best. Did I mention I love Deadpool? Yes, I love it too. Trust me, I would love to get a Deadpool, pro or premium. Raymond made it look so easy. He does, God. It's just that easy to hit this Nick target and get the multiplier. over and over again. No, it's not. Not on mine. Did you hear the final round with Jeff Theolis and Marty? They're going to be at Expo. They're going to be on Expo. They're going to be... How do we think? They just got this gig six months ago with this, you know, the two together. And immediately have COVID, so they can't even talk about tournaments, the thing that the whole show is supposed to be about. I know. And they're immediately on Expo. Boo. Who the fuck are they sucking? Oh, man. Well, I'm sure they're getting free hotel for doing it. Of course they are. Free internet that week. How do two foreigners take a job from us U.S. guys? Oh, God. I think, going back to the influencer saying, I believe the only two times I was ever compensated, I think I said it on the podcast both times. Fantastic. I got into the show because I was on one of the seminars. And that's just like if you're a seminar guest, if you're a speaker, they pay for the show for you. And then the expo, because I was part of the press, I got in. But the interesting thing is my father's not, so I paid for him. I think the only time we ever did was when I got a free board or something we gave away one time, I actually told people that we got it for free. Or the critical hit cards that we give away. Yep. Pretty much the only time we get free stuff, we give it away. Exactly. I'm not using it for myself, you know, so here, give it here. I still have a set, I think, of critical hit cards that are unopened. I will say, listening to other people talking about Guns N' Roses, I become too jaded. I miss the newbie-ness, like being excited for new games. Oh, actually. I feel I'm just not, it's not the same as it used to be for me. You know, I'm looking at the game and thinking things like, you know, instead of like, oh, my God, this thing looks incredible, I'm thinking like, well, yeah, it looks incredible, but, man, there's a lot of multiball. What shots are you even shooting? I can't tell. I'm just immediately going to negative land when I really shouldn't be. Welcome to the dark side. Yeah, I'm like the frigging emperor. I'm strong with the dark side. Like every game now, it's like a critical thing. Ah. That's why something like Deadpool is just like, ah. I have no criticisms. It's Deadpool. I don't know. I'm getting too jaded. Been doing this too long. You suck. Yes, you suck. You suck. Shoot, the center ramp. Oh, that sucks. It's not the center ramp. It's the side ramp. I have played that game more and more. Oh, my God. Oh, you like it? It's terrible. It's not terrible. Please stop. It shoots good. It shoots good. You got to say it shoots good. It shoots okay. Oh, man. You are so good. It's not a wow to me. It's not a, oh, yeah. Like, let's just say this. I'd rather play a lot of games around it at the place. I'd rather play almost any. I played, wait a sec. I played more after playing, you know, like 10 games on it and 10 games of Oktoberfest. I've gone back to Oktoberfest more than I've gone back to this game. You're high. No. No, I can't agree with you there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, actually, I like Oktoberfest. Splinter says you are quite high. I am, but guess what? High as I. The funny thing is that every time I play Dialed In, I think of turtles. Shoot at the right ramp. It's like, it's not the right ramp. It's the right orbit. It's not a right ramp, damn it. Oh. I agree. Make sure you shoot at the center ramp, Bruce. we need the Bob Ross game. We do. You have to help Bob Ross get his painting done in under 20 minutes, or he gets canceled from PBS. Yeah, there you go. All right, I think that's all I got. You sure? I'm sure. Let's see what else, look at my notes. I don't think I have anything else. The Clusterfuck will be going on. Oh, it will? Yeah, we're going to do it eventually. Eventually. So he's not going to... I'm not going to confirm that. You're like a pinball company now. You're going to give a date and then not do it. Well, the reason why is if I get you out here in the next two weeks and play Avengers L.A., I'd rather get those two people on who are going to help us with talking about Avengers L.A. and we can go over a game. Hey, we can be one of the first podcasts to actually play the game and then talk about it really in depth. Oh, snap. Okay. I'd rather do that. And then maybe when you're out here, we can maybe play Rick and Morty also. And we can talk about that. I'd rather, I want to get these two people on. Mm-hmm. You know, because they are the ones. Yes, Bruce. I get that. There's maybe 10% of our listeners who don't know who's coming on at this point. I know. But I still like Dick and Emteazin'. Yeah, you are quite the troll. Best game ever! Wompy ball, wompy ball, wompy ball! I haven't seen any of what you're talking about. Oh, you've got to see it. No, I don't need to see things. No, it's just terrible. There is a lot of multiball in Guns N' Roses. There's way too much multiball. I'm sorry. Well, you know what? The game is like the one song. It's so easy, easy when everybody's trying to play this. Oh, God. If I have to hear another fucking Guns N' Roses song. Oh, I love it. After I saw the streams, I cranked up my Guns N' Roses at the Ritz. Watch that. Okay, so hold on. Hold on. In my music selection, East Coast Library, artists. Oh, under G, Guns N' Roses, you would think would be under there. I have Gary Wright. Gary Wright. He had two songs. Yes, I do. I have both of those songs. Oh, well, there you go. Can any listeners guess what those two songs are? One's easy. One's the theme of the New York Mets. It is? Yeah, their seventh inning stretch song is Dreamweaver. Dream Weaver I believe you can get me through the night You hear that, Zach? Me? That's how you sing properly. That's the singing. Come on. Dream Weaver I actually like his other song better. Which one? The other one. Love is Alive. Oh, yeah. The next G, okay, the next G I have is George Harrison. Okay. Great person. You know, one of the four, you know, Beatles. One of the Beatles, yeah. We know who George Harrison is. And then the third G I have is not Guns N' Roses. It's a straight G? It's a straight G. Gordon Lightfoot. Oh, God. I love Gordon Lightfoot. You hear that, Teolis? Canadian. Yes. So, that's all the Gs. That's it? That's it. And then the next one's I for Iron Maiden. Oh, wow. I do have an appetite for destruction. Nope. Wow. Okay. Nope, nope. I actually never in my life have bought a Guns N' Roses album. Okay. Never purchased one. Okay. I remember the stupidest video, seeing the video from freaking, it was filmed at Meadowlands at the concert for Paradise City. And, you know, I was like, every time I saw it, I was like, ugh. Wait a minute, you might be in that video? No, no, no. How do you know? I know, because I was way up in those leaves. I was cheap back then. You know, I was, you know, 17, 18, you know. Mm-hmm. So, no, no, no. But just, yeah. And then I go to Gene, and then I go to my Gene and my I and my J's, Jay Guile's band, Jeff Lindsay, hello, Jefferson Starship, John Lennon, and Journey. See? There's some of my music. Yeah, it's all these little known acts that no one's ever heard of. Yeah, these little known acts. Yeah, yeah. You're Mr. Pop. Bruce is all pop, baby. No. No. Fairly Comet? Yeah, it doesn't count if it's freaking Kiss. All these Kiss, come on. Lone Star? Lone Star. Wait a minute. Your sports is a big album. Lone Star. Are we talking about pinball at this point? I don't think so. I think we're done. I think we're done. All right. So go say hi to everyone in pinball land, Mr. and Mrs. Pin, and they were out this week. If I knew where they were, they went to a coin taker's place to play both Guns N' Roses, and they played... Yeah, they played stuff, and I haven't played anything. I was only an hour and a half away from it. I didn't know that was going on. Oh, Phil. I know. I would have gotten to meet Christopher Franchi. Never did yet. See? Still screwed. I could have slept over at their house. It was like a sleepover slumber party. You and Franchi in the same bed? All right. On that note... This is the episode. Actually, I never said the episode number at the beginning. Fail. 153. No, it's 152. Is it 152? I tried to do the 58. Yes. They got me all screwed up. Episode 152. This has been episode 152 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Thank you, everybody. I'm Mr. Steven Bowden. Hi, I'm Bumble Bonus Zach. All the other podcasts out there. we can be reached at slamfillpodcast at gmail.com send us some poker themed names for games how are we doing on the thing we asked people to fill out the thing for Twip how are we doing on the thing on for Twip you won't let it end will you no I will not you are such a pain in the ass why did I bring that up I brought it up that was hilarious you brought it up I didn't bring it up. Oh, you brought it up. Okay, let's see. Are we still on the top page? Oh, Jesus. Okay. Promoters database. We're not on the top page anymore. Oh, my God. Well, you know, we don't really want to find it. Where the fuck are our reviews? Order by rating. And that makes no sense because the rating, some of these guys have 4.6, 4.5, and we're now in the second. But we have five out of five stars. We need more reviews. It's just the way it shows on the page. I'm sure if you hit the filter button, order by rating. Order by rating. I did hit the filter button. I'm waiting for their website. Yeah, your filter's broken. Yeah, your filter sucks. Your filter, yeah, you got like fours on the page with fives. Yeah. When you say sort by. Fives should be on top. Yeah. They're going by almost like how many reviews. Which is not what it says. I know. No, not even that. Not even that. Because even that's not in order. I know. Oh, there's malarkey afoot. We've dropped to page two. Wait a second, because Ron's fucking thing is getting five out of five. Woo-hoo, yeah! That would be Silver Ball Chronicles with a new episode coming out soon, possibly this week. They're wrong, and we're never wrong on this podcast. It may already be out by the time that this is released. Yes. So maybe I will see you in the next two weeks, I hope. That would be cool. That's what would be cool. That would be very cool. Let's see. Well, since you got me going, and we're off track anyway, we're just going to go to Apple Podcasts and see if we got any new negative ones would be good. Let's see. Apple Podcasts. Constance Sulu and Beavis jokes. It's cringeworthy. I'm sorry you feel that way. Douche. Douche bag. You are a douche bag. A total douche bag. Far too much inside joking. I agree. I agree with that. I think of that every time we say Zach or something. Like, anyone's going to know who Zach is who hasn't heard the podcast. If he's been on 15 times, guess what? You should know him by now. You should know him? What about new listeners, Bruce? They go back now. Now they want to see who Zach is. And who wants to play about tournament pinball? Go fuck yourselves. Well, you don't have to worry about that because there is no tournament pinball. I know you, Tools. You got your favorite heart on. We'll have a new segment where we just tell people Leave negative Apple Podcast reviews And Bruce will make fun of them as a second Yeah, I think so And then people will just start making false fad reviews Just because they want you to make fun of them Alright, yes So we need more reviews on Pinball Pro On This Week in Pinball And Jeff from This Week in Pinball Fix your freaking thing by order of ratings Fix your short Okay, okay, we've got to end this here So like I said, we can be reached at Slamto Podcast at gmail.com. You can go to our website, slantillpodcast.com. Upper right, all our links are there. Our Twitch feed, our YouTube, everything. Stu will be streaming this week at some point. I don't know what he'll be streaming, but he'll be streaming something. I think that's about it. Thanks to all our listeners. Thanks to everyone out there. We actually have to have a sit-down with Stu. A sit-down with Stu? Yeah. I don't know how Stu is about interviews. He likes to do everything on his own time. I think you'll want to get his word out how to try to get back in the IFPA. Oh, because he's banned. That's right. He is banned. So I think we can maybe push for his reinsertion. Reinsertion. All right. Thanks, everybody. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Bernard Jordan. Oh my, my, oh my, my, can't do me if you try. Oh my, my, oh my, my, there is need to keep you alive. Oh my, oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Hello? Hello, Bruce? You know, Ron just got me on here. He says he wants to do an interview of some kind. Yes. Can we get you on to put your point on getting back in the IFPA? I don't know. How many viewers do you get? Oh, three or four. No, no. This is bad. It's bad enough I have to stream on his stupid channel. He has no Hot Wheels. He has no Guns N' Roses. He has no Avengers. All the games people want to see. Oh, Stu. What? Stu, in a couple weeks we can get you out here for Avengers and Rick and Morty. Really? Really, Steve. You have to just drive with Ron a little bit. That's unfortunate, you know. I'll go in my own car. Will it be streamed? It will be golden streamed. What does that even mean? You're a very vulgar person, you know that? You know, Ron has told me about you.