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INDISC 2019 - Classics II Playoffs - Finals

IE Pinball·video·1h 15m·analyzed·Apr 16, 2020
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TL;DR

INDISC 2019 Classics Finals coverage: Luis dominates with record 317k Blue Note, leads 6-4-2-2.

Summary

Coverage of the INDISC 2019 Classics II Playoffs Finals at It Never Drains (Museum of Pinball in Banning, California). Luis delivered an exceptional 317,850-point performance on Blue Note in Game 1, setting a tournament high. Game 2 on El Dorado saw competitive play from all four finalists with Luis maintaining a lead. Final standings after two games: Luis 6 points, Derek Price 4 points, Michael Mattson 2 points, Derek Thompson 2 points. Game 3 will be Kings of Steel.

Key Claims

  • Luis's 317,850-point Blue Note game is the best Blue Note game ever played at the tournament

    medium confidence · Commentators describe it as 'by far the best game of Blue Note we've seen this weekend' and 'I think the best game of Blue Note ever'

  • Derek Price scored 32,490 on El Dorado in the finals

    high confidence · Commentators state the final score explicitly during Game 2

  • Ryan O'Donnell holds the qualifying high score on El Dorado with 88,850 points

    high confidence · Tournament director Jean Belsillo mentions 'Ryan O'Donnell with 88,000 850 points' as the high score for the day

  • El Dorado is a tilt-ends-game machine, meaning any tilt results in game over

    high confidence · Commentators explicitly state 'This game is tilt ends game' when discussing El Dorado play mechanics

  • El Dorado machine being used has a dead light bulb affecting the skill shot visibility

    high confidence · Commentators note 'There's a dead light bulb somewhere, so we don't know where the skill shot is' and reference it as an ongoing issue mentioned by other players on Day 1

  • Derek Price finished with 92,330 points on El Dorado, surpassing the day's qualifying high of 88,850

    high confidence · Commentators state 'Derek... 92,330 points. Great game. putting him in first and giving Derek Thompson a very hard score to catch up'

  • The tournament features four finalists competing in best-of-three game format across Day 2

    high confidence · Commentators reference 'Grand Finals of Day 2 Classics' and discuss point allocation system

Notable Quotes

  • “That spinner is not moving all that much... It's an interesting angle, right? Sometimes you hit nearby, but it doesn't count... if that spinner was hit at 1,000, that would have been a nice spinner.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ Early Blue Note commentary — Describes Blue Note's spinner mechanics and difficulty in hitting targets consistently

  • “It's almost like this game needs a millions digit... By far the best game of Blue Note we've seen this weekend. I think the best game of Blue Note ever.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ After Luis's 317,850 Blue Note finish — Reaction to Luis's record-breaking performance, highlighting the exceptional nature of the score

  • “I feel like Luis is going to win. I don't know if she picked games before, but... Well, she definitely picked the right choice there.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ After Game 1 Blue Note — Early prediction about tournament outcome based on Luis's dominant opening game

  • “Blue Note game basically put everyone to sleep... That music must be like...”

    [name withheld pending review] @ Post-Game 1 commentary — Commentary on the lengthy Blue Note game and its effect on viewers/stream chat

  • “If you hit that, like a quarter of an inch to the left... If he hadn't done the rollover... That's tricky because he's right down the play field.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ Derek Price's El Dorado commentary — Highlights the precision required in El Dorado's drop target mechanics and the impact of random rollovers

  • “This table is very stressful, definitely since tilt ends game.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ During El Dorado finals play — Commentary on El Dorado's difficulty and the pressure of tilt-ends-game mechanic in tournament play

  • “He unfortunately changes it as he went up... Once you reset that bank, the scoring opens back up.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ Derek Price's El Dorado play — Explanation of El Dorado's strategic scoring model and how bank resets affect point opportunities

Entities

LuispersonMichael MattsonpersonDerek PricepersonDerek ThompsonpersonRyan O'DonnellpersonJean BelsillopersonKeith Elwinperson[name withheld pending review]personSunshine Bondperson

Signals

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Luis demonstrates exceptional tournament dominance with 317,850-point Blue Note game (purportedly best ever played) and maintains lead throughout Game 2 with 6 points after two games

    high · Luis scores 317,850 on Blue Note, described as 'best game of Blue Note we've seen this weekend' and 'best game of Blue Note ever'; maintains 6-4-2-2 point lead after Game 2

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Blue Note exhibits challenging target hit detection and unpredictable stand-up mechanics, with commentators noting frequent near-misses and difficulty achieving consistent contact on left-side stand-ups

    high · Commentators repeatedly note 'It's really hard to hit those stand-ups' and 'Sometimes you hit nearby, but it doesn't count... it seems like the whole left side of the table is those stand-ups. You just flail and hit them, but a lot of times you just hit right in between them'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: El Dorado presents significant strategic complexity with lit drop target mechanics, tilt sensitivity, random rollover-driven target state changes, and difficult shot angles requiring precision plunging and shot selection

    high · Multiple commentator references to 'tilt ends game' mechanic, difficulty of far-right drop target described as 'This target always gives me fits', discussion of lit 5,000 drops being strategically valuable, emphasis on 'quarter of an inch' precision needed

  • ?

    product_concern: El Dorado machine has a dead/missing light bulb affecting skill shot visibility, creating ambiguity about skill shot location for players and spectators

    high · Commentators explicitly state 'There's a dead light bulb somewhere, so we don't know where the skill shot is?' and reference prior mention by Sunshine Bond on Day 1

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome to the Blzz corresponds and was I'll God $uO What? What? What? What? It's the left cough. It's the left cough. The left cough last year.
0:35
Oh, incredible. Saved his tournament life right here on ball three. Oh, he got it. He got it. Oh, my gosh.
0:52
So there's our finals group. Very good, top four. Hopefully we're not seeing any more bow and arrow or free fall, but I'm doubting that. Looks like we're going to see Blue Note.
1:20
Game one. Blue Note, very nice. I guess Luis had a pretty good game earlier, so... So you're watching Day 2 of the Classics Finals here at It Never Drains in Southern California. This is the Grand Finals of Day 2 Classics. We're getting started on Blue Note.
1:39
We will walk away with that amazing trophy. Yep. Very nice this year. So Player 1 is Luis stepping up. stepping up so we took that game earlier it's really all about shooting this drop tag on the left getting them only and then shooting them again for five thousand apart yep right there's the skill shot there and no luck from the spinner still with her a hundred she gets out a few times and she's got good progress on those stand-ups note stand-ups on the left and that the right spin your chance of value the nest be now that's a very interesting rule set it is it is but that spinner is not moving all that much so

  • “We're seeing so many great games in these finals. Just crazy scores that no one's even come close to in qualifying.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ Between Game 2 and Game 3 — Observation about the elevated performance level in finals play compared to qualifying rounds

    • IE Pinball
    organization
    It Never Drainsvenue
    Museum of Pinballvenue
    INDISC 2019event
    Classics II Playoffsevent
    Blue Notegame
    El Doradogame
    Kings of Steelgame
    Free Fallgame
    Bow and Arrowgame
    Pinball Arcadeproduct
    ?

    event_signal: INDISC 2019 Day 2 Classics Finals uses modified scoring system where game-by-game point allocation determines overall winner (observed as 6-4-2-2 after 2 games, suggesting 4 points for first, varying points for lower places)

    high · Final standings show Luis with 6 points, Derek Price with 4, Michael and Derek Thompson with 2 each after two games

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Finals-level scoring significantly exceeds qualifying performance; commentators note scores in finals are 'crazy scores that no one's even come close to in qualifying' with Derek Price's 92,330 El Dorado score surpassing qualifying high of 88,850

    high · Derek Price scores 92,330 exceeding Ryan O'Donnell's qualifying high of 88,850; commentators state 'Just crazy scores that no one's even come close to in qualifying'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Successful El Dorado play requires precise plunging technique, strategic decision-making about which unlit targets to hit vs. waiting for lit targets, and careful shot selection to avoid unwanted rollover state changes

    high · Derek Price and Derek Thompson both attempt precise short plunges; commentators discuss whether to 'shoot the unlit target or shoot the stand-ups' and note that 'you're sort of taking away the 5,000 opportunities until you reset the bank'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stream chat actively engaged with emoji spam participation during tournament coverage, indicating strong community viewership despite lengthy individual game times

    high · Commentators request emoji spam from chat and receive responses including 'lunchboxes', 'Johnny Modicas', 'Deadflips', various heart and character emotes

  • ?

    venue_signal: It Never Drains (Museum of Pinball in Banning, CA) hosts significant tournament competition with well-maintained classic electromechanical machines suitable for high-level competitive play

    medium · Venue hosting INDISC 2019 Classics II Finals with machines capable of supporting the high scores and precision play observed

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Blue Note spinner mechanics vary significantly in value and responsiveness; commentators note spinner at 1,000 points is highly valuable when it can be hit, but spinner often fails to register or delivers inconsistent rewards

    high · Luis and Michael both heavily target spinner for repeated hits; commentators note 'that spinner is not moving all that much' and discuss spinner value changes; one hit registered as '100,000 points of spinner in one ball'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Classic EM games (Blue Note, El Dorado) feature simpler mechanical scoring with emphasis on target-based points and strategic decision-making about which shots to pursue, contrasting with modern ruleset complexity

    medium · Scoring primarily through drop targets (5,000 points), spinners (1,000 points), and in-lane bonuses; limited complexity compared to typical modern rules; emphasis on 'lit' vs 'unlit' mechanical states

    • 2:32
    up to 14,000 here ball one still gets a 5,000 knock It's really hard to hit those stand-ups though. Nice.
    2:49
    It's an interesting angle, right? Sometimes you hit nearby, but it doesn't count. There's a five there, but other times you could nail right on it, it seems, and you don't get them. Yeah, it seems like the whole left side of the table is those stand-ups. You just flail and hit them, but a lot of times you just hit right in between them and it doesn't count.
    3:07
    If that spinner was hit at 1,000, that would have been a nice spinner. It does have a special letter, it looks like.
    3:14
    Whopping zero points. Okay, wow, that's some good stuff. Excellent ball. Yeah, yeah. Here's ball two. Lines up the skill shot. Does not make it. Gets one of the lit stand-ups.
    3:45
    Gets a 5,000 there and another 5,000. She's up to 50,000 already. 55.60. Nice love from that pop, getting up to 70,000 already.
    4:05
    Oh 1,000 spinner leads let's see oh she's really great she goes for it that was a good 10,000 I mean it doesn't spin a whole bunch but yeah 10,000 get some pops there and I mean the pops are much likely way to get all the spin again another without Wow she rolled 102 there goes the oh Oh, it didn't count. It was so slow, it didn't register. That is fortunate.
    4:36
    Yeah, Louise has been playing solid. So she's just going for that spinner, and she's getting some 5,000s. Boom.
    4:44
    133. She's wanting this. Five-ball game. That's only ball number two. Ten more to come. Already at 150 with the extra ball. Wow. What did we say top score was? 200-something, right?
    5:02
    Solid game again. Serious finals we have here. Serious finals. Top score on free-fall. From game one on Blue Note was pair with 226. I'll look today. Once again, the speeder didn't change. Yep. Still hitting it for 1,000 a spin, and she's getting a bunch of 5,000. She's blowing this up. She's about ready to roll this. Twice.
    5:30
    Today was 199. Wow. She already pretty much passed today's score. Oh my god. What a ball. Unfortunately, she hits the right spinner at the very last moment there. Changes the spinner value, but can't be too upset about that. That's like nearly 100,000 points of spinner in one bowl.
    5:55
    Making sure people are awake, a lot of spinner action. Who doesn't like a good spinner? Back into the 5000s. She's now to 205, 210,000.
    6:20
    And Pinball Kiefer was applauding in their basement. basement that's amazing it's almost like you're here
    6:32
    and she's got a target action ready to go as well so and she gets another in lane 230,000 that's it's the best girl the weekend and she's still going I think she made a good choice speaking that game I think she did too she's got 241,000 points going in the ball three. It's only ball three. Only ball three. How many 20s and 30s did I see this weekend?
    7:02
    20,000, 30,000 on this? Whoops. Because that happens a lot. We've been talking about that feed. Yep. On the right side. Yes.
    7:13
    242,000. Gets the skill shot. Just keeps nailing 5000 each time she hits one of those notes successfully.
    7:29
    She's at 272 and it doesn't look like she's gonna stop. I'm sure she doesn't want to. Would be a great way to start now. She did just hit the special, so unfortunately that does relate all the notes. Yep, does it? yeah she's just gonna have to eat more spinners
    7:56
    boom one thousand late and she cash it in throws it back up top oh she wanted to just rip it that would have been a rip
    8:10
    just as explanation no down the middle gets a few good spins off of that unlighting some of those notes.
    8:21
    Wow. And she is about to get to three. Can she do it? 291. And 300. And 2,000. Oh, my God.
    8:36
    Milking that spinner. Yep. And she's got the extra ball lit again, I think. But she is going to train for 317,000. Oh, my God. By far the best game of Blue Note we've seen this weekend. I think the best game of Blue Note ever.
    8:52
    That's an incredible performance. Wow. 317,850 points. It's almost like this game needs a millions digit.
    9:11
    Wow. Okay. So Michael is going to step up and, you know, do what you can at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's still only game one. Yeah, I mean, four points seems far away, but, you know, you don't want a two. It's always good. Yeah, it's a tough act to follow, but you don't want to get into your own head.
    9:31
    If anything, I just get in my flow, play a good game, and get ready to play two more good games. I feel like Luis is going to win. I don't know if she picked games before, but...
    9:46
    Well, she definitely picked the right choice there. Player two is Michael Mattson from Santa Cruz. That spinner's lit for 1,000.
    10:09
    Oh, he stopped trying. I mean after watching Luis game I would not let that 1000 speed or go away that's the only thing I'm gonna do whoa he rips it it's already up to 24,000 that's not a 20 to the again he's up to 36,000 points that balance Oh floating Wow, that's a floaty gun
    10:38
    Okay Scootball one. I mean, you know after what we saw it may be hard to baseline again, but It's 1,000 speed of silly to so
    10:52
    Getting a few of those notes unlit so they'll be worth 5,000 pop up. Boom. Backhand. There we go. Yep. Because it's going to come down and kind of waterfall onto those spots anyways. So if you could get that spinner, it's not a bad choice. Nice shake.
    11:14
    So Michael is from Santa Cruz as well. Okay. Okay. He's part of the Santa Cruz group. Yeah. We were wondering where he was from earlier, but he hadn't been on cam yet. Wow. three Californian and a Canadian in the finals.
    11:32
    Californian representing on their home tournament. Oh, that was a nasty drain. Nasty bounce off of that side target. Yep.
    11:43
    So we're in a ball four here. 74,000 is a decent score here. Going to rip that spinner. that spinner's been pretty sweet when it's at a thousand it doesn't change did not change went through easily enough whoo scary that in lane that spinner Wow still not it's a friendly right spin up this is the spot you want Lazarus Lazarus just like Adam was things quite a few Lazarus on this game and still no change Wow maybe a little too friendly and that backhand already up to a hundred thirty two thousand points Michael was pumped about that Lazarus
    12:36
    sting and I man no that feed unfortunately could be quite nasty at least the one thousand still it so yeah it's good thing with EM and he's got all his notes lit unlit too so those are worth 5,000 apiece now I believe he does get the extra ball lit on that right scoop from the ABC yes
    13:07
    boom that spinner again yeah he's up to 167 he's halfway there and three or three and four must be starting to sweat a bit yeah wow hell of a game the no catch group one being one hundred eighty eight thousand six hundred and ninety points unfortunately will only put him in second out of two right now but still a great score, and I'd feel good about that myself.
    13:45
    Player three is Derek Price. Shout-outs to San Diego. Did you talk to Derek about how much he liked this machine? I didn't. Was he a fan? I don't know. Which Derek? Derek P? Derek Price. Oh, yes. Derek Price.
    14:08
    all right so he's coming up and yeah I mean what are you gonna do just hope for the best 1000 spinners tell it though that's nice nice gift from a previous player not only did he lose the ball but he does fall well he lost that thousand spinner ouch he's gonna have to recollect himself
    14:38
    And decide what he's going for here. And honestly, the only thing I could see is going for those targets as he does. Trying to light some 5000s. Ouchie alright, we're ball three.
    15:05
    Getting a lot of love with those pops. gets a target and then it goes right down the middle. The game is just not cooperating.
    15:21
    This is the blue note that I remember for sure. What I was playing at today. Maybe not this evil, but it was pretty evil to me.
    15:38
    He does get a few 5,000s there. At least one. Some progress on others. Bergers wants that EM power. Nice little flick. Does not hit anything, but he has avoided the center there.
    16:08
    Come on, D. Boom. Nice nudge there. Let's see which targets he pops to go for. Goes for the top there, which we mentioned earlier. You hit one of those upper ones. so you can hit the pops, and does seem to find its way down the middle a lot.
    16:45
    We, of course, didn't see that that often with Luis and Michael, so unfortunate. Picking off some of these targets, and now he's got some 5,000s going.
    17:05
    It's up to 31. 32. 490 is what he's going to finish with, which unfortunately is not going to be much, but it does give Derek Thompson something to shoot for to start.
    17:24
    So I'm guessing Derek Price will not have nice things to say about Blue Note after that game. I would imagine not. oh wow that was a I think a blink for a second and the game was over ouch
    17:46
    so that's that the little window open for point for mr. Thompson after that it's a very narrow window yep so next point up Player for Derek Thompson going to step up.
    18:14
    I think it's so cool. This is one of the earliest games with a true skill shot. That green light at the top on the B rollover. Yep. It'll give you a 10,000.
    18:26
    Nails it. Very nice. the Canadian with the skill. And he's got the thousand left on the spinner. Nice bounce, boom.
    18:39
    No. Oh yeah the people are upset Yes be careful Does pick up 11 on ball one Yeah three skill shots you get a point
    18:55
    Not the right side, no. Takes away his thousand spinner. All right, go back to the targets. Now he relayed it, though.
    19:05
    Try to hit it. Oh, it bounced into the other one. That was a nice move. Worked out for him. It's up to 24,000. Nice. Gets a nice in lane.
    19:30
    Gets the shot up top. What's the red light all the way up top there? The right light on the top. Is it just a glare from the back glass? Say your board number special? Oh, this special. I think it does just like for points. Just like for points, OK?
    19:55
    Moving it quite a bit. And he's in a great spot now if he could get those 5000s left, but there's the nasty right spinner out down the middle. We've got himself a point at least you already want to try to walk away from game one with at least a point but now it's a top four. It's not really about being top two. It's about winning it all right. Yep. Well, he's in a good setup here to possibly pull something off.
    20:33
    Ooh, nice nudge. Very nice nudge. Throws it back to the left side of the field, but shoots it right down the middle.
    20:42
    Is his ball four? Yeah, I do believe so. Yep. He's got to hit at least 20 of those side targets in order to catch up to second.
    21:08
    66 last ball ready to go. So just did another 120,000. I mean, that's like 10 lead spinner. Yeah. He gets the 5,000 there. He gets another 5,000.
    21:25
    Just going after those Do-Re-Mi targets. There we go. And there's an out lane. So he is going to pick up a point. That is the longest game of Blue Note I have ever seen. Yep.
    21:37
    So great game to Luis. He's going to walk away from game one with four points. If they follow this with bow and arrow, I'm not sure I'll be able to stay awake and handle it. Yeah, heck, we might not be able to finish the finals before shutting down. Oh, camera, hey! Hey, you guys! If anybody's still watching, we just finished game one of top four, Classic 2, Never Drain 2019. Hey, guys, just to show that you guys are in chat, spam chat with a bunch of emotes right now. cool looking ones, funny looking ones. We take any of them. And apparently no one's watched it anymore. There's a 27th anniversary. That Blue Note game basically put everyone to sleep. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that music must be like... There we go. We got some lunchboxes in the chat. We got Savage. Ooh, we got a Johnny Modica. Two Johnny Modicas. Yeah, some Deadflips. There's some Penelope. My kitty!
    22:37
    Very good. Now we're talking. Thank you, guys. And we got some biddies. Power Rangers, butts. Love hearts.
    22:50
    All right, so I wonder what Louise still has. I mean, I wonder if she has any pick left. That was definitely a strong game. I know she was playing in the qualifier earlier. I wonder what's her next move there. Like we said, she actually had decided to opt not picking in the semis, and that explains why she wanted that game for sure. That was strong, and that was a smart move. It definitely worked. What do we have now? Oh, El Dorado. We're going to play all the five-ball games, I feel like. And that's another Luis pick, so she really likes our single-player EM, apparently.
    23:26
    Yeah, we were just asking for some emoji from the chat to keep things alive. Mr. Daniel's got you 100 biddies too.
    23:35
    He gives a thumbs up. All right, so Eldorado, I don't think we've seen that tonight. We have not seen this at all, I don't think. Yeah, no, I mean, that's... We might have seen it once yesterday, but this game I know from Pinball Arcade very well. First time I ever played it live. You do have a 5,000 right there, so there's always a lit 5,000 in lane, and there's always a lit 5,000 drop on each of the two banks. One here and one here. So you got the lit one there and the lit one there. You change them from the targets either there or there. And the rollover in the middle. I always forget that, unfortunately. So he hit a... It's pretty random, let's just say. The target that is lit moved around by shooting random stuff. Yep. She gets another 5,000 in lane, though. Nice bid. She saves the ball.
    24:35
    She did hit the 5,000 drop earlier on the right side. You know, when I played that yesterday, I found myself a lot having the ball cradled while the lead target was already down. Yep. So you have to either shoot the unlit target or shoot the stand-ups. Shoot the unlit target. It's worth 500. You could do that 10 times, or you could try to change it and then try to hit the target worth 5,000 as she just did. Yeah, it's a 10-time scoring difference, so you definitely want to hit those lit targets. Yep. If they are lit on the target that is up, which is the conundrum. Yep, so she's up to 25,960 going into ball three, I believe. So we have a good score on this weekend, like 60,000? 50-ish to 60 was the average, I think. Definitely saw a few rolls, but... but she's getting back up top. She's a bit safer, right? And then you can get onto the side lanes.
    25:32
    Whoops. Nice in lane. She'll try to use that. There are four flippers on this game too. Oh, nice. Trying to use those mini flippers to catch that upper drop. She gets a nice 5,000 in lane there.
    25:50
    And, oh, almost nailed that target. When you finish the bank, it will reset. It will reset, and it lights special.
    26:00
    This is the hard part for me when you only have a few drop targets remaining, and you just need to hit that one or two drop targets. All the way at the end of the play field, right? Because there aren't a lot of points on the board when most of the drop targets are down.
    26:14
    Ouch. All right. Was that ball four? That's ball four. So here's ball five. We got 36,760. You definitely would like to cash in a few more 5,000s. All right, the bank reset at the bottom, or no? No, she has to complete the top bank in order to reset it, yeah. She's got two left on top. Oh, wow, big moves.
    26:39
    Nope, too early. One thing to note about this game is it is tilt ends game. Yeah. Which, on ball five, she could have tried a little more oomph, but that was about as much as she could have given on it. And it does tilt. I do remember a qualifying game where I did tilt, but just trying to nudge it out of the left out lane. So it's a bit, it's not insensitive. Yep.
    27:04
    So she does finish with 44,020, which, like I said, might be a little below the average for this weekend. But with the nerves racking up, and she is in the lead here, we'll see how that goes for her.
    27:20
    So player two is Michael, then Derek, and Derek. So same order as earlier that hasn't moved too much. Nope
    27:28
    See how Michael does on this See if we can get a qualifying scores on El Dorado today Mr. Jean Belsillo your Favorite tournament director looks like our high this week today was Ryan O'Donnell with 88,000 850 points. Yeah, okay Lots of 40s, 50s, and 60s, and then we're 30s, 20s, and 10s. And my 30.
    27:59
    All the way down to zero. What's the lowest score? Lowest score was mine. No way. 30? 30 points. I wasn't kidding. Wow. When I said 30, everyone's like, oh, that's okay. I'm like, no, 30 points. Yeah, about 30. I told them. Yep. Scoring points. I hit three slings and then didn't work out for me. All right, so the skill shot. Anyone hit that skill shot?
    28:23
    A few players hit it in the finals yesterday. Really? It's so tight. You really have to take that quick turn. You really need a lot of patience because that's what happens. You give it a little bit too much mustard and then that's it. Off the hot dog. Yeah.
    28:40
    All right, so you already picked three out of five on the bottom. all unlit but they're worth 500 each there's one late right there waiting for him to go up almost gets the end window and each in lane is worth I believe 500 oh oh he hit on both side of that five thousand one lit on the top he moved it just moved it so nothing he has no drop slit right now does the backhand to move it again.
    29:19
    That's the frustrating part, is when you hit those unlit drops, you're sort of taking away the 5,000 opportunities until you reset the bank, which would be a long time. Which is extremely difficult to do.
    29:30
    I typically find that far right side being more difficult. It's like a diagonal shot across the playfield.
    29:41
    So does he have one left at the bottom? He has one left on the bottom, the second one, and he has two left on the top. The third and the last one. And he has all the skis at the bottom now. But that was just ball one, right? So he's in a good spot right now.
    29:59
    I don't even believe he hit a lot of 5,000 tackles. He was just staying alive. Unfortunately, he's at the spot which he has to either decide to go for an in-lane or that you might get here but it's the far right one which is a lot harder to get to you could see oh no he's already on ball for 20,000 points even gets the far right drop so he has one left who the third from the left right so he's gonna need the ball in the right figure yep that or he can't hit it he can't hit it with the upper flipper so he's down to his last ball i believe he's gonna have to get that target and then reset right yeah oh a little bit of a fumble there okay yeah so he only gets 23 370 which will not surpass Luis so Luis has at least secured one point for this round yeah you can see the difference those five thousands make they just about cleared the drop target banks but that's crazy because if you drop them before the points then you're locked yeah you know in jail like you need you know all of them to get any more points oh yeah or any kind of in lane or yeah I think if you could charge the in lane you know when they are late or something give you a little action I did make an attempt but could not pull that off. I think I broke an in-lane, right?
    31:33
    They kind of look like it. I did see yesterday Keith Elwin attempted to shats just to get a better shot at the lit 5,000 drop target because it was all the way on the right of the upper drop target bank. Oh, right. So he shats from the right to the left just to get a better shot at it. That's true. Yep.
    31:50
    You could alley pass for sure, but if you could actually get up to those in-lanes is the question. The switch, yeah.
    31:58
    Okay, so Satyajit Price stepping up next. Yeah, Pinball Keefer is right. He did finally get that upper right target finally, but too little too late, couldn't reset the bank. If he had reset that bank, he would have had opportunities to get a couple more 5,000 targets. it's a rough game Derek's probably asking just where he is against the other two opponents so he knows what he wants to do definitely does his homework on any game he plays from what I've noticed yeah this is the final four Keely Luis won game one with a amazing 300,000 point blue note game, which Michael Mattson also scored 180 or 190.
    33:03
    So that's where we ended that. And here's game two of three. Let's try for the skin shot. Oh, nice. We go to the right side and he does not. Unfortunately, he bounces out. He does get a switch change.
    33:18
    Oh, which unfortunately moved the drop. Both drops. He hit the drops that were lit, but they're no longer lit. Yeah. So he's got only 2,500 points, ball one. Wow. If he hit that, like a quarter of an inch to the left. The right, yeah. 10,000, boom. Yep. Or if he hadn't done the rollover. Yeah. That's tricky because he's right down the play field. So if you shoot the middle, you have to think about that the light is going to move on your way up. Yeah. And then the question is, did he realize that he moved those targets? Right. So was he just unlucky and shot the targets a little off? Or did he actually hit the right targets he thought he was shooting for? Right.
    34:02
    Looks like Derek has a question. Which might be wondering why. Why the ball drains a lot? Why did the ball drain? Why did I not get many points? These are things I need to know. I was flipping and the ball went down the middle somehow. Yes. There's definitely some sort of concern for Derek. But we're back up and running. Are we? Keep going. Okay, back to the skill shot, but he has nothing lit. On the right side, right? Where is that lit light? So, yeah, she was well over 100k from the previous high. I think the previous high was like 180 or 220. Yeah, 220. So there is a dead light bulb somewhere, so we don't know where the skill shot is? Oh, so yes, that is the issue. That has been an issue. I know Sunshine Bond mentioned that on Ball 1, or Day 1. Which one is that? Don't know. I just know it's there. So it moved from the right. Oh! So yeah, I was going to say it was the left out lane because it moves from that right middle in lane to the bottom left. And it keeps moving to the right from there. So he's hit it two more and now it's in the right in lane.
    35:29
    All right, he's got the light lit. He just missed it again. Like those 5,000s, there's one. So he's up to 19,000.
    35:39
    Catching up to Michael. he has one drop left on the right side which is now lit for that 5 000 and he knows that he's trying for it oh roll over he does a roll over but he hits a 5 000 drop he gets another 5 000 drop and that's going to carry him well over michael he's on the hunt to catch luis only one target left here he said the bank yeah uh he also has that bottom right one that one looks dangerous Yep.
    36:09
    Going to get some in lanes here. You can see the left in lane actually up top is lit for 5,000. And there is a strategy to go for that one. Yep.
    36:23
    Because that will not move unless, well, it will probably move when you get into the pop there. He gets a nice little move there. drop passes it and gets another 5,000. He's at 43,000. Now just that pesky upper right target. Yep. And there's not much else in points on the playfield, but that does catch him up passing Luis. Oh, nice. So, and that's a relief in itself because you can tilt and end the game here. True.
    36:59
    And a zero point after game one, he already wants all the points he can get. Yep. So now he just wants to get, he wants to reset that bank, and if he does that, he could easily see 60, 80 to 100,000.
    37:17
    Good shot. Nice. Very good on Derek's plunges. Yep. Yeah, a lot of people have been hasty on the plunges, but he spot on on them He just in that target Tough Yep Boom Oh a little weak of a flip there Oh it going to make a bang shot
    37:45
    So right now the in lane that he's looking for, the lane he's looking for worth the 5,000 is that left out lane actually. And those move spots, rollovers also change the end lane. Yep. Where it is lift.
    38:01
    Ooh, can he get it? He's trying. There's the move. Nice. Okay. This target always gives me fits. Snipes. We were talking about the toughest target, and that is definitely the one. Oh, wait a minute.
    38:24
    Nice. Boom. Oh. Just a little late. Gets a 5,000 in lane though. Take that. Take it all day long. He's got it. What a nice shot. Gorgeous. Again, the track down to use our lead targets.
    38:49
    Now he wants to pick off as many of the 5,000 drops as he can. He unfortunately changed it as he went up. He gets another 5,000 in lane though.
    39:05
    So once you reset that bank, the scoring opens back up. deciding where to go from here. He's got 73,670, so he's got a nice game going with one player left. He's got that far right shot. Would be nice for 5,000 points.
    39:40
    Unfortunately, misses it. He moves the drops. That, unfortunately, was not lit. He gets a 5,000 in lane, though. Well, he'll get some rubber on it. He's up to 78,550.
    39:58
    And that's the game. No, he still has a ball, right? He still has a ball. This table is very stressful, definitely since tilt ends game. We're on ball four. Derek did finish last last game so this is definitely uh the boost he needed to have a chance at winning this finals and he is taking his time with uh this in lane he wants to get that extra 5,000 he unfortunately just overdoes it
    40:45
    But he gets it anyway. Yep. And he's going to... Oh, he misses it. Oh, that's... That's trouble. And that's out. So he's got his last ball.
    41:25
    88,000 going into ball five. so as far as today the uh the high game today in uh qualifying was 88 850 by uh ryan o'donnell So with that in lane, he surpasses that.
    42:04
    He unfortunately moves his drop. And he's going to drain, but very nice show by Derek. 92,330 points. Great game. putting him in first and giving Derek Thompson a very hard score to catch up. We're seeing so many great games in these finals. Just crazy scores that no one's even come close to in qualifying. Yeah.
    42:36
    I want to say yesterday there were several people which rolled this, but today was much less so. Player four will be Derek Thompson. showing his Yagpin.
    42:53
    Shout out to the Yagpin up in Edmonton. Derek Thompson sporting the Canucks jersey. So yeah, the full plunge goes right up over the left flipper, but...
    43:40
    Pulls off that 5,000 on the right bank. And fortunately hits his other drop over there. So even if he moves it, he's going to have to move it one more time. This is the tricky spot right here and does an excellent job of knowing that it's going to move because he's hitting that rollover and hits the right target for 5,000.
    44:01
    That goes straight up and straight down, unfortunately. But he's up to 15,000. Going in the ball, too.
    44:16
    some nice rollover action but can he handle the feed no that feed is a little tricky we've seen it mainly just being tipped by that right flipper but sometimes it goes all the way over the left I actually I don't know if I would want to just short plunge this but he is short plunging gets it up top hits a drop and goes out the out lane unfortunate feed there ball four he's at 24,440 so he is going to at least pick up a point this round. His next goal would be 44,020 points by Luis.
    45:12
    He only has four drops remaining, so even if he got all four of them with 5,000, that'd be 20,000 points. Yep, that's all he needs.
    45:22
    Or some in lanes. That right in lane is the one lit right now. hits a drop goes down the left side and brings it up and hits another drop his bottom right drop is lit for 5,000 points let's see where he goes from here does he try to post pass it
    46:00
    he's going to try for the alley pass and is fighting and loses it. He's up to 30,000. Where are these bagels coming from? They're multiplying, Jermaine.
    46:19
    I can't hear you with the headphones on. The target bank is reset. but straight down the middle off of that draw target. Does not catch Luis. Will only pick up one point here. Luis is going to get two points and no, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's it.
    46:45
    He came back to the machine and I'm like wait, did I miscount? So Luis is going to end with six points. Derek is going to have four points. I'm sorry Derek Price is going to have four points Derek Thompson will end with two points and Michael Mattson will have two points going into the final round so we're at 6-4-2-2 that was unfortunate for Derek Thompson there just as he reset the drop target bank and the scoring was going to open up again just gets a drain straight down the middle and all he needed was 5,000 and an in lane to catch Louise. We're going into the final game of the Grand Finals, Day 2 Classics Tournament here at Never Drains in Southern California at the Museum of Pinball in Banning, California. So what do you think the chances are we go to the next 5-ball EM game? So is it going to be bow and arrow?
    47:43
    Or is it going to be free fall? I feel like free fall may be more single player. I want to believe she picked free fall the other game, though, in the semis to move on. So I don't think that's an option.
    47:57
    That is my best guess, because that was the last game in the semis, and she needed it, I believe. Kings of Steel. Wow.
    48:08
    Change of pace, right? Yeah, definitely a change of pace. So that game is going to last as long as one player game. Yep. So we'll actually get to see all four players play in one game. So Louise is going to step up.
    48:28
    If you can plunge and hit all of those four rollover buttons at the top, you get an instant special. 6-4-2-2. Which is 50,000 points. See everybody's game. This is it. Oh, and that is a nasty pop.
    48:45
    Brutal. Draining on her. 15,100 is her final score for ball one I think the good thing with King of Steel lots of the things reset so you know your bonus don't reset but the rest of the value reset so you don't fall too far behind so once again we'll go over with the modifications for this table really quick with the Kings of Steel usually this shot here comes back down but there is a gate here that will feed it into the shooter lane.
    49:20
    The other change we have is that this gate is not actually there. And it makes it very dangerous. Pretty easily. Yep.
    49:30
    So the players are going to try to increase this saucer value up top by going over those rollovers. You can see there's a light under it to signify he's got one set. And try to hit that right target. He did go through the right target, but missed the actual stand-up. Whoosh! And that's how dangerous this table is with the changes.
    49:59
    Does pick up 144,000, that ball, which is definitely nice. Beats 15, right? Yep, beats 15. I mean, a lot. Can you flip? I'd say the average game over the weekend was probably around 200,000, 250. There were a lot of, yeah, I mean, overall. Like, there was a few 300s and 400s for sure, and then you had a few millions. But, like, there were a lot of nasty balls. Anything under 500 was not something you were looking for, but there was a lot of low-scoring games on this. Yeah, it goes quickly. And that is the danger of the left gate being gone. Derek just goes straight out. There you have it. We saw that a lot yesterday in the finals as well. Yep.
    50:59
    It takes a lot to recorrect how you would normally play this game. You always want to try to trap up a ball quite often on a game like this, what you're shooting for a specific target.
    51:13
    And having that gate gone really causes mental warfare, I think. You have to change your strategy inside it. All right, survived the kick out. Nice. Yep, but it's going to go straight down. So you could see Louise started with 15,000, but after everyone played their ball one, she's not that far behind.
    51:40
    And this is more of a one-ball game anyways because the saucer and the right target resets every single ball. And you can get that saucer to 80,000. The right target goes, I don't even know how high, but pretty high. Yeah. It's like 20, 40, a lot of points. 60, 80, 100 or something, right? Yeah.
    52:05
    Just be careful with the dead bounce from right to left. Yep, she opted not to let it go and then does let it go. Oh my god. The previous one I felt was light enough it would have actually gone over right, but she's...
    52:20
    Uh-oh, again. That is not going to go. Sometimes, yeah, that slingshot kicked straight through into the out lane. Yeah, there was a lot of the slingshot coming down like this and then just going straight out. And then you can't really do anything about that. Not much you could do, unfortunately. Thank you.
    52:46
    We get the saucer. Ball two for Michael. He finished ball one in the lead, and he gets one hit on the right target. Now, with that gate, it actually is possible to double hit and triple hit that target.
    53:03
    It's also possible to get nothing from that shot, too. it's kind of frustrating we saw a lot of players decide to just go up the left side and go for saucer all day long actually i mean score the value and uh do your drop target on the left to increase your bonus so yeah it will spot your drop target plus you might get it up here which you're seeing if you complete those three targets with that tiny flipper you will increase the bonus value. Bonus X, yeah.
    53:34
    Whoa! The only thing about the Sorcerer's strategy is the kick out from the Pops. It's so deadly. Yeah, nothing's safe. And Jermaine's apparently on a game, so good luck for him.
    53:48
    Player 3, Derek Christ, stepping up. He's going to shake off that ball one. They're going to let him hold his spot, I think, so he could finish this game three of the finals.
    54:08
    Classics number two. We had one division yesterday, which was won by Bob Matthews. Well deserved. And Derek getting a right out lane from the left sling. Those slings are just nasty right now. So Derek unfortunately finishes two balls with 115,000, which is greater than Louise.
    54:36
    But we've got a game going here. There's a lot of options how this could finish. Good nudging to make sure it goes in the saucer. Yep.
    54:59
    Question is, does he go up to saucer? Yes, he does. Gets the rollover, so he increases his saucer value there.
    55:13
    Wow. And he decides to flip with that right flipper. He's not taking a chance of it going down that left outland.
    55:25
    Oh! Gets a nice love from that little post down there. Wow. that just jiggled its way back in. Nudging. Trying to get something going.
    55:42
    Cradle's up. He's up to 316,000. This is ball two. He only has two points, but he would like to do as good as he can. another orbit up top into the saucer saucers worth quite a bit of points now
    56:09
    am I I all know it literally any it actually a Derek Thompson plan and then it reset the saucer back down to 40 Yep The special was 50K right 50K Mm
    56:26
    I mean, he's catching up, 336. He needs to win if he wants to contest for first place still. Yep. Yeah, there is a potential three-way tie for six.
    56:46
    He's going to go back up top, his bonus is building slowly Yep And he is now sitting in the lead on ball 2 This is the adjustment we saw a lot of players make, going for the left orbit instead Yep Avoiding that dangerous left flipper area Just, yeah Unfortunately does miss the swing there, and then one Well he survived enough to take the lead, I mean 463 Yeah, got some good bonus on there Yeah, if Louise finish with zero, she's putting a... opening some opportunities windows
    57:45
    is fighting to stay alive getting some of those and gets a nice oh no no no yep that dead bounce on the right flipper was not good that pinball karma yeah one too many 146 200 is her final for for game three not quite a zero but um yeah it's it's very possible so we have a lot of different chances for uh tiebreakers here yeah i mean if either michael or derek win and then if louis do end up with a zero then uh that'd be adult two-way tie at six yep gets a nice uh pop into the saucer there okay what no no off the sling into the right out lane we're gonna finish his uh all right his dream at 367 thousand points yeah Michael can't quite catch first place anymore yeah it's up to Derek if Derek's come back for at least a second place here.
    59:02
    You know, he gets the six points as well. Obviously, first place in the guarantees. So since your bonus does carry over in this game, he does have a little bit of bonus. It doesn't look like he has much progress down there. Yeah, I think it's... I'm pretty sure it's Derek Thompson, which has a decent amount banked up. Yeah, from all the saucers. Yep.
    59:34
    I mean, he just had the wine cart. Who knows, maybe 10,000. It's hard to know exactly. All right, so 30,000 to pass Louise. Yep, getting a skill shot here would be nice. And if Louise gets a point, she wins. Yep.
    60:28
    Boom earlier there. The nurse was fighting it. Just flipping it away. No, that's not enough. That drain is probably not enough.
    60:50
    So Derek Thompson is going to win this game with King of Steel. Yep, so Derek Thompson is going to have six points.
    60:59
    Luis is also going to have six points, so we're going to have a tiebreaker. Derek's going to finish in third with five points.
    61:07
    And Mattson is going to be last. Great playing from all our contestants. I'm excited to see this tiebreaker. I wonder which game. Fergers wants bow and arrow.
    61:23
    It is going to be Luis's choice, but what choices does she have left? Does she defer? Maybe. Again, you're watching It Never Drains in Southern California. You're watching the grand finals of the Classic Stay 2 tournament. We're about to get into the tiebreaker to determine first and second place.
    61:45
    Very, very exciting. Let's go, Louise. Let's go, Derek. Exactly. We have mixed opinions in the chat. Pick your sides. Let's go.
    62:00
    Anyway, make sure you tune in again tomorrow. All day we'll be streaming. We have the High Stakes Bank.
    62:07
    We'll start 9 a.m., I believe, for both A and B finals. The early rounds for those. That will last until about noon, which Main and B will get a lunch break. We'll then go from noon on to women's and kids, I believe. And then starting back at 3, we'll have the, I'm guessing, probably quarter or semis for A and B. So lots of pinball action all day. Make sure you tune in. I'm guessing semis, actually. And then after that, if that's not enough, we have high stakes. All right, here we go. we are going to play bow and arrow which was what uh fergers wanted so this is the tiebreaker between louise and derrick thompson louise all the way says undead unicorn so bow and arrow have we seen this yet on the screen i don't think so we've seen it a ton just now when you were here we saw it at least three if not four times okay so what they're going to want to do is hit that spinner to increase their value on their bonus and then start collecting it at some point on the left side.
    63:19
    That's pretty much the game. There's a few other targets to shoot for. Louise, player one. Nice backhand on that spinner. Gets her bonus up to 7,000 already. Bow and arrow. Bow and arrow for the finals.
    63:40
    This is for first and second. That bonus is maxed. Bonus is maxed. Can she start collecting on it? She does. Now let's see how this feed goes. That feed went really well. Gets a spinner rip.
    63:56
    Gets two of the four green targets for double bonus. Oh, but yeah. Yeah, that was too far away from any flipper. Good start though, 30,000. 30,000 is a good start. 32. Up comes Derek Thompson. Wiping the game. Thirsty towel. Will we be streaming qualifying after this? We will. Carl is committed, look at him, he's full of energy, ready to stay here and stream until the end. I would be willing, I have one game left on a ticket which is dead, so I'd be willing to commentate on that.
    64:50
    Ooh, tilt. Derek tilts. Wow, Derek heavily fisted Thompson. 3,700 points unnecessarily from what it looked like. If it looked like it was on the flipper, he just wanted to just smack it over to the right flipper and tilt. The rough Canadian.
    65:09
    You know, he's got the hockey jersey on. He thinks he's going to get it to a fight. And there it goes. Hopefully he didn't tilt through, though. That would be... Yep. Thankfully that didn't happen. And Luis is going to be waiting for a moment. The last game, the tiebreaker for first and second. He tilts through on your first ball, just bumping around. We want five balls of this action. So do you ever actively go for the ABCD to get the double bonus in this game? Or do you just, if you happen to have one left, hit it and ignore it otherwise? I think if you have one left, you'd hit it. However, I did not play this at all because it was down most of day one. And I chose not to play it because I didn't have experience in it.
    66:01
    Yeah. I mean, you know, it's extra 10,000 for the shot, right? Yeah. If you have a 10,000 collect, pretty similar. Yeah. I pretty much just keep going for the 10,000 collect, I think. Maybe you'll get it from the slingshot or something, but... Yeah. I think I did used to go for it. I played it like once or twice if I thought it would work on the collect, but it clearly says out-hold bonus only on the card, I believe.
    66:31
    all right so she waited quite a bit to get that tilt pop settling in I mean she's uh she moved the games quite a bit as well so yeah they really want to make sure they don't take that bonus
    66:49
    look at that moving that move but she does just drain unfortunately no no no bonus either yeah 40,000 3000
    67:18
    So Derek fall to coming up with his rag gonna wipe off the machine You don't want to slip when you shake the machine Definitely I like wiping the glass myself as well Sometimes it's a little dusty Yeah Some people just have a nice ritual of that Sure, sure I know Adam McKinney I think is always doing it Oh yeah Mr. Jim has a nice ritual as well Oh he's not around The backing of the spinner seems to be the preferred strategy yep hitting that stand up is not the preferred strategy that's playing with his food there yeah stays alive bonus is up to 2,000 it gets all spinner but it all my straight back that's stopping the spanner and draining the ball yeah that's the worst return
    68:24
    Ball three we've got 40,000 against 11,000. Let's go Canadian is shaking his head in disbelief. This is just waiting between balls, making sure that till Bob is nicely settled.
    68:47
    They bring back the till Bob cam. See what the status of the till bar. X-ray the machine What was that? Was that like 3 years ago? Seems like it's been a while since we haven't seen a teal bulb can
    69:06
    It's over Carl said no more teal bulb can Yeah I feel like it was more disruptive than anything People were just turning around and checking the camera Yeah
    69:21
    Alright she's got a 5000 kill shot and there you go there's uh one game of bow and arrow she went up to 50 maybe or 40 or 51 it looks like
    69:43
    wow derek needs to put something on the table there i mean it could be a one ball game once you get them yeah you know but you gotta get that one ball and we have not seen it yet
    69:54
    open the gate that does opens up that right side over there which worth two thousand three thousand three thousand I believe and then you plunge yep oh did that yes yeah Wow nice guys spinners and he's up to 9,000 in bonus just the in lane on the right side or just spin away i don't think he's a big chest thing guy but let's see oh you guys make the attempt that was way early but boom on the fly 9 000 right there tries to fling it back up he gets another 9 000. just getting the nice speeds one more shot for double bonus but as we discussed probably just want to go straight back up Another 9,000. He's passed Louise with 55,000. Max bonus.
    70:57
    Nice jiggling. Just a lot of spinners right now. And backhanding that 10,000 collect. On the fly. Derek is showing some Canadian dominance.
    71:14
    He's pumped right now. 88. That's 90 98. Yep, alright, don't it? That's another 10 good ball. Great ball. He's up to 108,000 points. Putting pressure on Luis balls for which is going to get their name on the banner for next year.
    71:47
    Typically takes a great ball and we just saw a pretty good ball there. Can Louise answer with her own?
    72:02
    Give it a chance. No tilt. So she's going to have to do it on ball five, and Derek is definitely going to wait. That ball just took a nasty carom off of that post on the right side of the spinner. Yep.
    72:47
    55 minutes left for man, kids and woman, 40 women again this year tough competition looks like trouble yep that did
    73:17
    So now it's up to Louise. Derek with $115,000. Louise with about $53,000. Wow, that's $60,000. I mean, at this stage, no pressure, right? I mean, you're just going to go up and try to get your bonus up and then start collecting. You're already top 2, you did a great job, you made it this far, it's just another game of pinball. Another EM Bowl where anything can happen. And that unfortunately happened too many times and Derek Thompson from Canada taking the win in Classics number 2 here at Indy. The Hockey Jersey win, wow. I guess you start winning Hockey Jersey myself. It was a great job to all of our finalists, it was just some amazing play in this finals. Yeah. Those games of Free Fall and Blue Note. Yeah, that's taking the win over, what did we say, 130 players today in Classic 2? It was a pretty solid turn out. Yeah. We're not winning over the likes of Keith Elwin, Corrin Cairns, Raymond Davidson, Kelly George. A very strong field.
    74:43
    Here are our final standings. First place is Derek Thompson. Second place is Louise Wagonsoner. Third place is Derek Price. And fourth place is Michael Mattson. 6-6-5-4 finals. Wow, so tight.
    75:02
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