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Pinball Junk Drawer Episode 47 - Kinda just a junk drawer full of pinball!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·May 22, 2024
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TL;DR

Junk Drawer #47: hosts discuss pinball culture, licensing drama, and beer trivia.

Summary

A casual, meandering episode of the Pinball Junk Drawer podcast featuring hosts discussing ABBA knowledge (or lack thereof), pinball documentaries, Replay magazine, John Wick pinball licensing controversy, community overreaction to game releases, and recent pinball gameplay experiences including Godzilla, Weird Al, and Metallica. Hosts also conduct a beer trivia quiz as part of their Beer Journal Review segment.

Key Claims

  • The hosts knew only 3-4 songs from ABBA's catalog of 19 songs despite expecting to know most of them

    high confidence · Direct personal experience shared by hosts; they bought ABBA Gold album and tracked how many songs they recognized

  • Disco music was not on the radio during their childhood due to a backlash against the genre

    medium confidence · Host speculation about cultural history explaining their ABBA unfamiliarity; general knowledge claim

  • The John Wick pinball machine lacks guns on the playfield due to licensing restrictions from the IP holder

    high confidence · Host discussion citing George Gomez's statement about licensing constraints; pinball machines are rated E for Everyone before payment, but film assets contain violence

  • The host has produced podcasts and shows consistently since 2006, doing no less than two per week

    high confidence · Direct statement from host about personal history and experience in media production

  • Godzilla is considered one of the best pinball machines ever made by the host

    high confidence · Host's explicit opinion stated as personal evaluation of game quality

  • The first beer brewed in the White House was during Barack Obama's presidency

    high confidence · Beer trivia fact presented; hosts treat as verified fact from internet research

  • Beer pong was invented in the 1950s

    medium confidence · Beer trivia fact; hosts express surprise at this finding, suggesting it contradicts common assumptions

  • California has the most breweries of any U.S. state

    high confidence · Beer trivia fact presented; hosts confirm this answer during quiz

Notable Quotes

  • “I assumed that we knew all their songs. Right. We know Dancing Queen and Fernando. And that's it.”

    Host (Foghorn Leghorn character) @ Early segment — Illustrates the disconnect between expected and actual cultural knowledge; sets up discussion about generational music exposure

  • “I'm very measured because at some point I kind of transition into putting value on like putting forth intelligent discussion or emotionally intelligent like ways of talking about stuff rather than just the crass, over-the-top, knee-jerk stuff.”

    Host @ Mid-episode — Host articulates personal philosophy about responsible media production and community discourse; references growth over 20 years of podcasting

  • “It's not going to happen. Yeah, and that's really hard because you expect greatness when it's the theme that you've been wanting forever. Oh, of course. And it's never going to be what you expect it to be.”

    Hosts discussing expectation management for licensed pinball machines @ Mid-episode — Captures fundamental tension in modern pinball design—balancing unlimited fan expectations against production constraints and licensing restrictions

  • “I'd rather just pay $9,000 and have another one sitting next to it that I don't have to swap out. I'm so lazy.”

    Craft Beer Sally @ Late segment — Reveals collector mindset: preference for dedicated machines over modular/swappable alternatives like Multimorphic P3

  • “Pinball's really fun. And you're like, what about that one that sucks? I'll be like, ah, it's still pinball. Yeah, it sucked, but I still gave it a couple bucks and whatever.”

    Host @ Mid-episode — Expresses host's pragmatic, forgiving approach to pinball consumption versus community culture of constant criticism

Entities

Foghorn LeghornpersonCraft Beer SallypersonGeorge GomezpersonDonpersonSean DickersonpersonBarack ObamapersonLumberjack Johnny PinballpersonJohn PapadukepersonPinball Junk Drawerorganization

Signals

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community increasingly critical and unforgiving of pinball game design decisions; hosts express fatigue with 'vicious fervor' around every release and perceived flaws

    high · Host discusses knee-jerk reactions to John Wick guns, Jaws shark eating ball, and general pattern of 'nobody likes anything' in community discourse

  • ?

    licensing_signal: John Wick pinball constrained by IP licensing to exclude gun imagery on playfield; film assets contain violence but machines rated E for Everyone before payment

    high · George Gomez clarification cited; licensing body tells manufacturer 'what they can and can't do'; movie clips with violence only accessible after payment

  • ?

    product_concern: Multimorphic P3 modular approach creates friction for collectors; swapping game cartridges seen as inconvenience factor vs. dedicated machines

    high · Craft Beer Sally explicit preference: 'I'd rather just pay $9,000 and have another one sitting next to it that I don't have to swap out. I'm so lazy.'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Host discovered Metallica's hammer mechanism for coffin multiball; described as significant overlooked feature despite extended availability of game

    high · Host shocked: 'I cannot believe I never saw that before that's so odd I wish I would have played it'; indicates deep, ongoing engagement with established titles

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Licensing IP-based games create impossible expectation management problem; fanbase has divergent visions for same theme making universal satisfaction impossible

Transcript

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0:00
Now who's responsi- I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? I say, I say, I say, pay attention now, boy. This is, of course, Foghorn Leghorn presents the Pinball Junk Drawer. You all asked for it, I say, I say, you all asked for it now, you're gonna get it. Boy, oh boy, are you gonna get it. Go, I say, go away, boy, you bother me. Buckle up, everyone. It's time for the one, the only, often imitated, never duplicated pinball junk drawer. Big Show 47. My name is Foghorn Leghorn. With me as always... Craft Brew Sally. Wow, what a teaser.
0:38
Anyway, back to our dreary selves. Oh, I'm not dreary. No. What do we got going on this week? A whole lot of nothing, kinda. We learned that about our knowledge of ABBA. Oh, that's right. We teased that we were going to go and listen. Now, what happened with that? We listened to Abba Gold. I got it as a goof. I bought it on vinyl, new from Amazon. Right.
1:03
It was a goof. I envisioned us knowing every song. And I thought we knew more than you thought we knew. And we were both very wrong. We were both very wrong. So, so, so wrong. I knew. How many did I know? So you knew. Sally kept track. She is a very precise person.
1:25
You knew three. Three songs out of 20. That's about 15%, I'm thinking. It's only 19 songs. Oh, see. I thought it was 20. Maybe there was a hidden track in there. There was not. We just yanked the needle off fast before. And how many did you? I knew four. Four. Yeah. They are not the soundtrack to our lives that I had envisioned. I honestly, I was very shocked, to be honest with you. Right. I played through the first album and I was like, I don't know nothing of these songs. None of them. And this isn't like Street Cry trying to be cool like, oh, I'm too cool for ABBA. No, I assumed that we knew all their songs. Right. We know Dancing Queen and Fernando. And that's it. That's all you know. That was pretty much it. I knew Money, Money, Money from somewhere. I don't know. And we both knew Waterloo. Okay. And you're like, and then I started thinking, I was like, why wouldn't I know these? because there's a lot of these bands you don't think you know, but you know all their crap. And I think it's because, well, when we grew up, now my parents didn't listen to ABBA. They were like Deep Purple and Beatles and Fifth Dimension and stuff like that. And when we were kids, there was a backlash against disco. Oh, yeah. So it wasn't on the radio. I honestly think that's part of it because, I mean, I'm sure, again, I know this machine's going to sell. It's not like it's not going to be popular. It's just I thought we would know a lot of the songs, and we did not know any of them. And don't add us. Don't write us about why we should love that. I didn't hate the music. I just didn't click with me. I assumed I would know it. That was the problem. I did watch a documentary I found on Prime. Cats Wrecking Stuff? Yes. No. We don't need a documentary for that. We could film that documentary. we did see it it was called shoot again the resurgence of pinball and that was on amazon and i screwed up because for some reason i thought i just rented instead of bought like i bought the um the man who saved pinball the roger sharp one and i've watched that a lot and i'm gonna watch a lot more i enjoy it very much yes it's a very good one it's a good one because it's also it's about a lot of things but um it's just cool so i watched that one and i for some reason i thought I could watch it multiple times for the next month. That was not the case. You launched it and said, you have 48 hours to watch this whole thing once you start it. You have it for a month, then it goes away. So I was really bummed out. It was a fun look at pinball, and a lot of people we know, a lot of people, or names you know, people we know, I wouldn't say there was anything groundbreaking talking about it, but there was a lot of interesting perspectives. you know and this is definitely one of those movies where i'll probably go back and buy it just so i have like i will watch through it a couple times to like kind of i like listening to other people's perspectives on some stuff why it's hitting why it isn't what they need to do better there was a lot of that you know people talking about from the industry extent of saying we need to do things better on this account or that account to keep it popular to keep the pinball going forward, you know. So it's just an interesting, I would recommend at least a watch through, you know, it's called the resurgence, Shoot Again, the Resurgence of Pinball. Also recently, I'm sorry to dominate this, I also got the replay magazine for the first time. I had never heard of it. And then I think Don from Don's Pinball mentioned it. And I was like, I wonder what that is. So I jumped on it and got it for a year subscription. it's very it's more coin op than pinball but it's very interesting too I do I have enjoyed it I'm like reading through all the one thing I was struck by was how many like award shows and these weird like everything has acronyms so it's N-O-A-A N-A-A-A it's like coin op this national coin op and national blah blah is there a nine in any of it? possibly. Okay. Yes, to the ninth power. So the N-A-O-A-O-A-O to the ninth power. It's a good magazine, though. I'm glad I got it. I don't know. It'll take me a couple issues to see if I want to renew it. I will say I was a bit bummed out, though. They did not follow my shipping instructions. Oh, no. Yeah, right? You're on the list. You know, every time I buy something online, if there's a box that says special instructions, I say, please ship with love, dot, dot, dot, and stickers. Now, you'd be surprised the various things we've got. I've gotten kisses on the invoice. I've gotten the one artist that made a, he sketched a thing and put it to my name. I bought three pieces of artwork from him, Sean Dickerson. And he made a fourth one, like just a pencil quick sketch for me. that's incredible and then I put that on this one not stickers or love it was just shoved into an envelope I could tell there was no love in it sometimes you can feel when there's love in the packing it's probably one of those things where there's a pile of them already in the envelope and they just slap a sticker on it so they don't know that's special instructions ask me for special instructions ship with love and stickers no love nor stickers I will see if any of the love comes through in the next couple months and I'll keep everyone posted. There's a big blow up, a kerfuffle about the John Wick thing being released. Some interesting stuff, some nonsense. And I wrote when the big thing was about guns being on the thing and blah, blah, blah. And then everyone started taking that into politics and everyone taking that into Second Amendment. And I said, I don't want any part of it anyways. I'll do the same thing I do to the news I'll turn it off it's like one of those things they are given a license they given access to said license with the money they given them
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high · Harry Potter discussion: 'There's so much in that world, you can't possibly please everybody. Because everybody wants different things of it.'

  • ?

    venue_signal: Lumberjack Johnny Pinball venue employs skilled pinball player (Craft Beer Sally) as barista; venue operational on weekends

    medium · Reference to Saturday/Sunday coffee service; Craft Beer Sally described as 'number one pinball player in the universe' and barista at location

  • $

    market_signal: Collector purchasing behavior: preference for dedicated machines over modular platforms; willingness to own multiple machines rather than swap content

    high · Host stated clear preference for owning separate machines despite $9k+ cost vs. using Multimorphic P3 interchangeable cartridge system

  • ?

    community_signal: Host reflects on personal evolution from 2006 onward in media production; learned value of measured, emotionally intelligent discourse vs. crass, knee-jerk reactions

    high · Extended personal narrative about learning from early podcast mistakes; intentional pivot toward intelligent discussion; editorial approach to quality control

  • ?

    content_signal: Pinball documentary 'Shoot Again: The Resurgence of Pinball' available on Amazon Prime with rental/purchase limitations (48-hour rental window)

    medium · Host watched rented version, expected month-long access, discovered 48-hour limitation; features industry perspectives on improving pinball's sustainability

  • ?

    content_signal: Replay Magazine launched subscription offering; more focused on coin-op broadly than pinball specifically; hosts subscribed for first time based on recommendation

    medium · Host mentions numerous award show acronyms (N-O-A-A, N-A-A-A) in coin-op industry; determining whether to renew after first year

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Host plays Godzilla pinball regularly with consistent positive experience; every machine session works reliably; shooting challenges (outlane drains) are player-skill related

    high · Host: 'Every time I plunge it, it's working. I have nothing to complain about it.'; describes game as one of best machines ever made

  • ?

    industry_signal: Early access strategy for John Wick pinball favored arcade game influencers over traditional pinball distributors; distributors responsible for inventory investment decisions

    medium · Host notes that influencers given early access but distributors are ones 'making decisions on how many of these to get right and that costs thousands and tens and hundreds of thousands'

    • 7:41
    The person that gives them the license pretty much tells them what they can and can't do. So, I mean. That's what it ended up being. Right. I don't care so much. Right. If it's a good shooting game, it's a fun game, it's a whatever. I was never madly in love with John Wick anyway. No. I see that as being a massive title. But apparently, I mean, obviously the movies do good, so it's a good title. I'll play it. I mean, I'm not, I don't care one way or the other. What are people saying they wanted?
    8:13
    Guns. They want guns. Like a shooter, like the shooter rod replaced with a gun. I don't care for those. Yeah, I hate those. I mean, I know Indiana Jones has one, and if I could ever get an Indiana Jones pinball machine, I would. Definitely. I would definitely. I really have fallen in love with that game. I just am not a huge fan of those because it loses the part where you're aiming your shot from the get go when you just hit the button I don't know there was some very dramatic overreactions and then there was some logical stuff logical disputes and then Gomez came out and kind of said look we were told what we could use and I guess the whole thing was pinball machines are kind of rated E for everyone now once you pay because then the film assets have the guns, the movie clips and John Wick kills somebody every 4.5 seconds in those movies so there's going to be murder so I guess it was kind of like once you drop your dollar you're in for the ride, then you can see the clips which I don't care I don't, I do enjoy the pinball machines art I love art in general and pinball art is one of my favorites so I like it but I never saw it as a detractor if there's guns or not but again you know I'm kind of more go with the flow with this kind of stuff what we're given is what you're playing and if you like it you'll like it if you don't if you like the theme buy it if you don't and there was a weird there was one weird caveat to this that I thought was interesting for the rollout and I'm not sure it made sense but I don't also don't it doesn't matter it doesn't impact me one way or the other the people who had early access to it were like these influencers for arcade games like one up arcade game influencers so it's not really the people that are going to cover it but I have a feeling they were kind of like well we have them anyway right they're going to cover it anyway it's kind of a little bit of a disservice to like the distributors who are the ones that are out there selling them well they have to make decisions on how many of these to get right and that costs thousands and tens and hundreds of thousands so I don't know that's why I don't do that business. I'm not in that business, so it doesn't hurt me one way or the other. It was just an odd choice, but who knows? They're not going to tap us to do it, so we're not going to cover or release anytime soon. So it's okay. I don't care. We're not on Stern's hot list. I don't think we're on anyone's list. It's so sad. Oh, that is sad. It is sad. I thought they'd give them some stickers. We're going to slyly put some stickers on when we go to the expo when we're doing the tours. We'll get some stickers and just start putting them on everyone's lunch kettles or something. I don't know. Oh, that's a good idea. Well, we can't put it on the American lunch kettles because we never got our lunch kettles for Galactic Tank Force. We don't have stickers either.
    11:01
    Valid point. Hey, look, we're keeping pace with the American pinball. They don't have any lunch kettles and we don't got no stickers.
    11:08
    Well, I bet you we beat them. We'll get them before that. I guarantee it. You know, it was just one of those things where I kind of was like, well, I don't like the knee-jerk reaction to everything. And this isn't directed at one person. And this is, I mean, I'm talking about me in general. However you want to conduct yourself in public, you can do that. It's, everyone makes their own choices. I will say, one of the things I've learned, now I've, for those of you who don't know, I guess I was on the fence about going off on this little, not tangent, but talking about this. But I guess I will, because who cares.
    11:43
    I've done shows, podcasts, radio shows. I've done this since 2006. and I've done no less than two a week since 2006. I have thousands of shows under my belt and I've made a lot of bad choices and bad mistakes a long time ago and I've learned from those. Like the first, the bunch of dorks stuff and some of those earlier ones where I would be getting drunk and we'd get into fights and I'd go off on people and over the years I learned that although I don't necessarily like that I have to censor myself, the reality is you have to censor yourself on some level. To some level. And that's not, at first I used to take offense about it, in that I'm thinking I should be able to say whatever I want. And to some degree that's true, but it's also like the emotional intelligence, how do you want to present yourself? How do you want to be seen and viewed? If you want to kind of overreact and curse a lot and just do all this other stuff, well that's how you're going to be viewed and although it might be funny and you think it's cool it's kind of not you're looked at eventually it always comes around and bites you and you just look foolish so I think over the years I've learned some harsh lessons and that's why when we do our shows we do the We Suck at Video Games we do the Pinball Juncture, we also do the other two shows the radio shows I'm very measured because at some point I kind of transition into putting value on like putting forth intelligent discussion or emotionally intelligent like ways of talking about stuff rather than just the crass, over-the-top, knee-jerk stuff. Right. And it's, again, if that's some people, that's their shtick. And if that's what you do, that's what you do, and that's fine. And that's not my decision or my call. I don't care. I just don't listen to those anymore. I don't really listen to those. And that's your decision. It's my decision. I don't need that in my life. I live a much happier life. So, you know, I don't know. I guess I would just say maybe think through stuff when you're talking about it. But that's just what I do. That's what we do. And we edit. This might not even make the final cut when I'm talking about it because we might listen to it and be like, you know what? No one needs this. And we cut it. And that's fine. it's not a just when every time something comes out the vicious fervor around it like the jaws not eating the no shark eating the ball and then no guns and no oh my god it's like they have to make these decisions because in the end this is a company that's here to make money and that's it not everybody is going to like everything apparently nobody likes anything which is strange I like a lot of stuff I'm on an island, guys. I'm over here going, hey, you know what? Pinball's really fun. And you're like, what about that one that sucks? I'll be like, ah, it's still pinball. Yeah, it sucked, but I still gave it a couple bucks and whatever. Right. Like you are not liking Jaws because you feel like you're not playing it well. Yeah, that's my own fault. There's a lot of really good shots on that game, and I just haven't had a good game on it really.
    15:02
    It's a good game. There's a lot of fun stuff on it, but I don't know. you know like you always kind of think like what could pinball be and I think that where everyone mind goes when they talk about pinball upcoming Everyone thinks okay like the Harry Potter Oh it going to be you going to be transformed into this magical world and you're going to have, actual magic is going to happen. And you're like, well, it's not. It's not going to happen. Yeah, and that's really hard because you expect greatness when it's the theme that you've been wanting forever. Oh, of course. And it's never going to be what you expect it to be. There's no way you can walk up to a Harry Potter machine and go, well, that was exactly what I wanted. Right. It's too massive. Because everybody wants different things of it. Yeah, yeah. Because there's so much in that world, you can't possibly please everybody. No. That's their number one theme that they want. And I'm not, sometimes I feel like these pinball places could do more. But of course they could. They have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise, they're losing money and they're not there next year. Right. You know, like when I look at Godzilla, which that I consider to be one of the best machines ever made. This is my opinion. Like, I don't. That's because it's one of your top themes that you've always wanted. I love Godzilla. Right. I love the movies. I'm very, you know, I love everything about it. And when I play that machine, I'm like, what more could I ask for? It's exciting. There's lots of multiballs. There's lots of – not multiballs. There's lots of things to do. There's lots of code. It works. Every time I plunge it, it's working. I have something to complain about it. Go ahead. You got crapped through Sally, didn't you? I always do. Those damn side rails. Not side drains. Outlanes. Oh. Well, you know what? Some people actually stretch a piece of rubber over them so they bounce over. If we could fix that. You're like, no, I'm not a cheater. Right. So I'm trying to think what else was happening. We did get to play Weird Al.
    17:12
    I don't know. I'll probably try that one or two more times. What did you think about Weird Al? I was very distracted by seeing the flipper mechanism working. That's really strange, right? Right. I was very distracted by seeing it go. The multiple buttons. Yeah. I know people can map those to one I've heard. Oh. Which would be great, you know. I don't think I have enough.
    17:41
    Coordination? Yeah. To have to worry about two sets of flippers. Probably. I mean, if I did figure it out, I'd be great because I tend to leave my flipper buttons in a little bit longer than I should. Oh, so it hangs up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, so sometimes when I flip with the bottom flipper, it bounces off the top flipper because it's still out. Yeah, I do that on the Godzilla with the left one. I leave it hanging just a second too long and it'll trap it sometime. That's on me. Or it bounces it right straight back. It sure does. Or it sends it to the out lane. Yes. I did like the Weird Al those scoops that would pop up the bucks that kind of go across it and pop up at various times when you unlock that and it grabs it that was kind of cool I don't know this is my first time playing the P3 I think we only put one or two dollars on it I don't know I think we only played it once I'll probably do it again a couple more times just to give it a fair shake I'm not sure, Jerry's still out on that not for me but doesn't mean it's terrible it just didn't seem like it was for me yeah I don't think we would ever own one no oh no I don't foresee that and I love Weird Al but I also how often would I swap out a thing never well not never but yeah it would be a pain in the butt I'm very lazy it's so funny I'd rather just pay $9,000 and have another one sitting next to it that I don't have to swap out I'm so lazy and then we played Metallica I played Metallica and found out that that is a hammer that hammers it down into a coffin for multiball which was awesome I didn't unlock the multiball yet so I'm going to have to play it I cannot believe to this day I cannot believe I never saw that before that's so odd I wish I would have played it yeah I will play it Craft Brew Sally was too busy talking to ah yes the barista who is the number one pinball player in the universe right the barista that will also put you your place if you get up to me about pinball.
    19:49
    That's awesome. Yeah, she's great. Yeah, she is. She makes good coffee, too. So if you ever had a... Lumberjack Johnny's. On a Saturday or Sunday, make sure to get coffee. Yeah. Cool. I'm trying to think what else really happened. Not a whole lot has been going on. You have a trip coming up to Louisville. Yeah. And to visit our exchange granddaughter and pass along our love. I'll be staying back and caring for our kittens and playing pinball. And not driving for eight hours. Right. So, you know. Into PGA Championship traffic.
    20:28
    It'll be all right. You got anything else? We got anything before we wrap up? I'm trying to look at my notes frantically to say make sure you're checking out projectpinball.org. Of course. And check out some of our other shows. We have We Suck at Video Games. one called Slow Robot a Go-Go which actually we're kind of talking about reviving in a very interesting way so we might talk about that a little bit more or I might just save that for our other radio shows so if you want to if you like B-movies go to slowrobotagogo.wordpress.com it has a searchable database so you can find the exact bad movie you want us to hear us talking about all kinds of fun stuff they're all bad movies well some are worse than others That's true. I can attest. Some are worse than others. Yeah. Without any further ado, I guess it's time for everyone's favorite segment. Sing us into that. Yodel us into that favorite segment, whoever you are.
    21:35
    The fans have spoken, and we have listened. It's Beer Journal Review with me, Craft Brew Sally. All right, today we are going to have a beer fun fact quiz. Oh my God. Yes. Because our other show never has any fun facts, I figured I would look up beer fun facts. Oh no. And see how much you know. I don't know very much, but let's give it a shot. I'm game for it. Why not? All right. So. How many questions, first of all? I don't know. Like six? Oh, my God. Seven? Oh, my God. All right. Here's the first one.
    22:22
    First question. Which president was the first to brew beer in the White House? Oh, my God. George Washington. No. Okay. He was a president, right? Yes. Okay. It was a very recent president, which I was surprised at. Oh, wait. Who was it? Barack Obama. Nice Yeah I did not know that The first one to brew beer in the White House Yes I would have thought one of those old guys would have been like well I having a beer Right. Okay. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. I was surprised when I saw that. Nice. Okay. You're keeping track of my answers, aren't you? I'm going to get like a zero out of seven. Yes. It's going to be ABBA all over again.
    23:06
    So then I was like, oh, let's see. How old is beer? Oh. When do you think the first beer was brewed? Egypt. No. Oh, did I say where? I meant when. No, you said where. I did. No, you said when. I answered where. It would be like, I don't know, like 1200 B.C. No. 5,000 B.C. I don't know about that. I mean, how would they tell? It's on the internet. Oh, well, then it's got to be true. Right. I was still close by going B.C., though. You were. I think a lot of people would be like, well, that's probably like, what, 1978 when Miller Lite was born? Okay. Right. So 0 for 2. Yeah. Wait, I don't think we need to keep track. I'm not going to keep track. I'm just crossing off the ones I asked you. I see you writing them down. All right, go ahead. What's the next one? All right. Do you know how much the most expensive beer is? Now, wait a minute. Like, what do you mean the most expensive beer? Like for a beer? Yeah. There's a beer that was brewed that had a battle between five people on eBay.
    24:18
    It was probably like... It was brewed in 1875. And it went for $17,500. Wrong. $28 million. $2.5 million. $1. Wrong. $0.78.
    24:33
    I don't know. I don't know how much numbers were. How much did it go for? $503,300 and it's not drinkable that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard it was brewed in 1875 by Alsop and it's called Arctic Ale was it like bought by Ma from Ma's robot factory because one of the things could be used for robot oil that's probably what it is Bender probably bought it Bender stole it All right. What do you think the highest alcohol by volume is?
    25:15
    Wait, what? Beer or just in general? A beer. The highest alcohol by volume? Yes. Of a beer. Oh, crap. I don't know. It's called snake venom. 18.9%. Wrong.
    25:33
    150%. Wrong. 3 million percent. Wrong. 67.5 percent. Well, that's like brandy. But it's beer. It's not. It's brandy. Okay. Okay, so go ahead. Snake Venom Brandy, then. Now, who would drink that crap? I don't know. Is that 500,000 a bottle or something? No, it's less than that. Okay, all right. It's probably more like that.
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    Samuel Adams makes that special one that's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even remember how high that one is, but I don't think it's anywhere near that. So you're going to get that at some point, aren't you? I doubt it. You probably should, just so we could try it. I'll spit it out just like that ghost pepper beer. It's really gross. It's disgusting, yeah. So what else have we got? Do you know when beer pong was invented?
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    19, no, 2004. No. Right at, no, how, when was it? It was invented in the 50s. Oh, yeah? I was really surprised by that, too. I thought it would have been like the 90s or something. I didn't know that silo cups were made back in the 50s. They were throwing them into people's wooden legs and shit. I don't know.
    26:44
    Okay. All right. So this one was an interesting one. How much do you think people in Amsterdam were paid to clean the streets for a full day? One beer. No. five cans of beer cigarettes and 11 euros and then they probably had to hire another crew that was throwing out the cigarette butts to go behind them they probably cleaned them up the next day so they could get their five beers but I was confused by why they would get five beers and not six it's the metric system oh that makes sense it does not at all Royale with cheese right so you got any other questions that i'm gonna fail i do okay i don't know how i don't know how entertaining this is and the u.s is the home to the most beer brands yeah how many breweries do you think there are in the united states 68 trillion no 49 583 no there are over 7 000 breweries I was way off, huh? Yes. Do you know which state has the most?
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    No. Connecticut. No. Florida. No. Wisconsin. No. I don't know any of the states. I don't know any other states. Colorado. California. There it is. I was surprised by that one, too. I figured it would have been Wisconsin, but it was not. Yeah, it's surprising. Sometimes it surprises you. And then I'm asking this one because, you know, I have to. Okay. The most successful beer brands offer which style of beer? Lager. The most successful beer brands. Lager. Nope.
    28:39
    It's a Pilsner. That was my second guess. Yeah. You know, it's funny that you go up and you try and find a Pilsner beer, and it's like it's hard to find Pilsners anymore. And I'm like, look, man, just give me the – that's just a beer. Lagers and Pilsners are like the most refreshing beers ever made. they're just a straight up working man's give me a beer and they're like would you like a lager or pills and i'll be like one of each who cares and then they go here you go because they're like this says that that's the most that's the biggest seller of the most of the brands but it's most of the craft breweries that we've been to don't even have them yeah their craft brews are kind of sadly they're just becoming a place where people take beer and they dump 28 tons of uh hops in them and go, here's our hoppy beer. And you're like, alright, well, yeah, that's cool. And then they serve them to people with kids and dogs. Yes. Any other questions or is that it? No, that's it. That's going to do it? Alright. If you have a question for us, you could send it to us at... There's going to be a link in the notes. It'll be in the notes. Yeah, so shoot us a line and tell us what fun fact about beer we've missed, other than it gives you a hangover and makes you pee a lot Towards the end of the day. Or if there's a beer you'd like us to try, let us know. And not snake venom. Please. I wouldn't know. Okay. That's going to do it for this week. Thanks for listening. This has been the Pinball Junk Show, our big show, 47. See you next time for more pinball shenanigans. Anything else? Sent with love and stickers. Yes, that thing.
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    That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.