Come Saturday morning I'm going away with my friend Some people call me Maurice SETA SETA SETA SETA SETA SETA SETA Alright, Saturday morning! Kaneda's finally feeling a little bit better. Let's do this. Let's get everybody in the house. Snowing out, I got my snow hat on. We just built Olaf outside. How's everybody doing? Jeremy's in the house. Wouldn't be a show without Jeremy. Let's give everybody a few minutes to rock on in here and let's do this. What is this? How? Brenda's blouse on the back of my chair. How's everybody doing? I mean, I'm about 65% back. Jeffrey, what's up everybody? Paul's in the house. It's gonna be a fun show. We've got a lot to talk about. We've had a lot of stuff going on in the pinball world. A lot of stuff going on in the pinball world. It is snowing out. And I've got my Spies Like Us hat on. It's probably gonna get hot wearing this thing inside, so we'll see how long it lasts. Arcade Innovations is in the house. Casey's in the house. Tony, Daniel. What's up people? Ah, the next Sonic movie. I love this thing. It's comfy. It's very comfy. You know, when you get older, I'm losing my eyesight. I feel like I need to start getting glasses. John is in the house, Jack Barr. You know, there's always pinball news. There's always pinball news because, you know, every week, every week, these like 15 companies are trying to figure out like this entire industry. And it's not that it's not that it's that like hard to figure out. It's really hard to make pinball machines. And we're going to talk all about we're going to talk all about Haggis Pinball's statement yesterday, which is just confirming what a lot of us have known for a I'm going to talk about the implications of that statement. We're going to talk about the statement itself. I will do a podcast on it this weekend. I'm not going to read the whole thing today. But look, there's a lot of realities happening right now. And you know, there's people that want to live in wishful thinking land and there's people that want to live in reality. And you know, contrary, contrary to what people say about me, you know, I've been called unkind by Damien and this and that and this and that and this and that and this and that. Okay. All of these companies, I start out completely open minded with every single pinball company that develops, right? You want to say you're a pinball company, I will not just go on a crusade Mike PTSDjuice, Mark清ces & Kim Semy, A lot of people whether it's anything like the Your band or a whales probably did an episode coming out a couple years ago But unlike the P Word hard, I want to like the I want to talk about is what's going on in the industry. What are these companies doing? What are their moves they're making every month? What is the marketplace like? What's the climate within the community? And to me, that's where pinball is most exciting. That's where the most exciting thing is to cover. That's where the most exciting conversation lies. And you don't need to talk about that for 90 minutes, you know, on an episode like literally every week there's stuff happening, right? It is an organic community with things going out the door. A price as going up and down, manufacturers announcing stuff, companies giving out statements like yesterday. So look, that's why when a new company comes out, all right, like you're in control of your own destiny, right. And new company isn't controlled of its own destiny, I don't wake up and say, hey, today I'm going to take down Haggis Pinball, today I'm going to take down, today I'm going to take down Highway Pinball, today I'm going to say Deep Root is a fraud. I don't do that. What I do is I allow these companies to say what they're going to do. I allow them to showcase their products. And then, and then, do you guys want me to take this hat off? Is it too distracting? We'll do it. I should have done a poll. Do you want me to take the hat off? All right, I'll take the hat off. Hold on. Hold on. I'll come back as normal Kaneda. Hold on. Hold on. Let's do this. It'll be less distracting because I'm about to say some fiery stuff. Alright, let's go more old school. Let's copy Emoto with our look here. Alright, okay. Leave the hat? You want the hat back on? Okay, we'll just go with this Kaneda look. Alright, let's go backwards, Axl Rose. You know what? I want the hat back. I missed the hat. Hold on. It just feels right today. It just feels right with the Carl Weathers, with the snow, we built a snowman. Alright, it goes with the gray too. Kind of all those together, this Kaneda. I'm going to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. We're going to talk about it. And then you think about, right? Let's just think about, let's just go down a list. Let's just go down a list of boutique companies and whether or not I was, I called it accurately. All right, let's start. I mean, Zidware we all knew was going to fail. We knew that was going to be a failure. When Skit-B came out with Predator, I mean people forget this, people forget this. When Skit-B came out with Predator, I was one of the only voices that was like this is a scam. Like there's no way this guy has the license for an Arnold Schwarzenegger game. There's no way it's going to work. This guy is building games in his basement. And this is like 10 years ago people. And everyone told me to shut up. Hi, whatlichen P documentary think about pinball Под Unreal This was really the moment, people. This was really the moment where Kaneda's credibility was established in the pinball community because I was the only one, the only one that was kicking that can down the road that Andrew Highway's business model and what he was saying didn't seem right. And what happened with Highway Pinball was people were giving me inside information on what was happening behind the scenes and it was terrible. Andrew, unlike Damien, Andrew would always put up these videos trying to convince people everything was going well and man, the ability for this community to be hoodwinked and suckered by businessmen who don't really know what they're doing, it's amazing. All you got to do is say you're going to make a pinball machine and this intelligent male audience that's in pinball all of a sudden turns off all common sense and just follows you towards the light and basically will throw money at you to learn what you're doing, even if you've shown no real ability to know what you're doing. And Highway Pinball did that, and what did I do? I told everybody, this company's gonna go under, this company's gonna fail, like nothing they're doing makes sense, those are staged assembly Line videos and what happened, right? What happened? Here's the problem, everybody, is everyone needs to learn one simple thing, liars are Some of you are really good at lying. Okay? Can I just lay my teeth? No. Liars are really good at lying. So it's so weird to me that people mistake transparency for the truth. Transparency is not the truth, okay? It's not. The truth is behind all the rhetoric and all the hubris and all the hyperbole. The truth of what's happening in a pinball company, just because a pinball manufacturer says something doesn't make it true. Okay? And we're going to talk about this haggis statement because it's so funny when people are like, well, I'm just really happy Damien's transparent. Like what does that mean? Because the statement is all over the place. And if you read between the lines, it seems like the situation is really dire. Okay? I'm going to talk about all of this. Let's just talk about it right now. I'm not even, I don't know why I'm like teeing it up like it's coming. It's coming now. All right. You've been here for 12 minutes. You're getting the heat. So highway pinball, I cover that garbage company. Sorry Dave, but like Andrew didn't know what he was doing. Right. Another guy who didn't come from the world of manufacturing, didn't know what he was doing. All right. So then what happens there? Then we get Highwaypinballcollapses, then we got what cosmic carnival right remember that company I mean I I mean it was like whatever what is this like dirty Donnie's I don't even know which company that was they came and went right then we've got what who the guys that did the we're gonna remake pinball circus and we're gonna remake what kingpin right what was it a circus Maximus or or Pinball Circus, whatever those guys are. So look at those guys. They come out, they show one prototype of Kingpin, they sell 250 translites, and then they've gone away for five years now. Five years. Suncoast Pinball. Suncoast was Cosmic Carnival. Right. Okay. Another startup. No pathway to manufacturing. No pathway whatsoever. And again, I wasn't very kind. I was very like, look, I don't understand. Like, why Why are you selling translites? Why are you even bringing this game to a show? Do you need the money? If you don't need the money, then why are you doing this? Why is it that every single pinball boutique other than Spooky has always needed to treat its customers like GoFundMe Kickstarter investors? If you want to start a company and you want people to buy your products, go to the bank and get a loan. Let's go knock on your rich uncle's door or grandpa, knock off your boomer parents who have all the money and then start your company. But to make your customers the angel investors of your organization has never worked. It will never work. And that's exactly what we're seeing all over again with Haggis. If people think, why do you think he needs money eight months in advance, Press idea to stop talking about pinball and no opinions, and yourああYou're a way too shy to ask they clean the intermediate box for our advantage Voraya Mits présidery yesahihis saint. You know we're wanted or ayyeeefight cus a . The Game let's say nine thousand dollars, right that person's nine thousand dollars that he collected in May What was that going towards especially? Here's what doesn't add up He's keeps talking about how he's got this lean Way to manufacture like Toyota like it like the fact that he's even comparing himself like to Toyota Like he's got this lean way to manufacture where he's only ordering parts right when he needs them So he's not stockpiling parts and it's really efficient and it's the it's the most cost-effective way. Sure Damien. It's really worked out Tremendously well for you if that's the case where he doesn't need he doesn't want your parts in his factory Until they're needed then why does he need your money eight months in advance? Does any of that add up on On one side he's saying he's built his company around this super efficient way to build games where your money is going to order your parts right when those games get assembled. And then eight months go by and you still don't have your game. It is absolutely ridiculous and you know why he's doing that. Because he needs your money in May not to build your game. He needs your money in May to pay the vendors to get the parts for the games he has to build in May. Not your game, the games he has to build that month. And so your money is going towards payments that have nothing to do with your game. And you know, you could string that along, right? You could string that business model along only so far, but someone's going to be left holding the bag. Somebody right at the end of that eight nine month production schedule Somewhere the money runs out and the only way The only way to keep the money coming in to fulfill all those fathom orders What is the thing we've seen? every company do that basically that basically has like misled and and commit it like fraud with its customers. What is the one move that Andrew Highway did, John Papadiuk did it, every single boutique that is bombed did this move. They announced another game before the game they were building and had to build was complete. Well, that's all. And you know what? That is not complete. They took money on game number two so far in advance to figure out how to get themselves out of the hole they are in on game number one. Andrew Highway did it with Alien. John Papadiuk did it with Raza. We have seen it time and time again. And so why is it that this is any different? And best believe people, Andrew Highway with all of his, you know, with all of his, I don't know, ineptitude, managed to still screw together a few hundred aliens. Like don't forget this. He still made a few hundred aliens and you know, how many full throttles. You know what I'm saying? Like because games are being built does not mean that the company is going to In the end, the only thing that matters is the value of the game. I'm not saying that you can't win the game if you don't play the game. I'm just saying that you have to survive. Because if you're losing thousands of dollars on every game you screw together, and that's why you need new thousands of dollars to build the old orders, it doesn't work. None of it works. I'm saying this because when I say this stuff and they're like, well, you're unkind. No, you know what's unkind? Is lying. And I mean, like, look, we can dance around this and my boy, Kim Mitchell can say I'm being unfair. You could call it any other words you want. But when you're Damien and Marty and you know, you know, like, you know, and you're like, You're a smart man. You know when you tell somebody in May, if you pay in full, I will have you your game in eight weeks. You know what your production schedule is. You know what your capacity is. When you say that and you know it's going to be more like eight months, you're lying. You're lying. Parents Pinky Pie Poker God Script Typo Karen Gesser, Fantasy governs, art display sollen ASSIST tyco Get that That a hail Mary pathway in life To go into something you never done before To try to compete with people that have decades of experience without learning first And I'm going to say something now that's really mean. I will be a little bit mean because, you know, people are mean to me. But I'm sorry, people. This thing never should have got past counts. And if it was going to get past Kelts, it had to slowly evolve as a company. Because to me, Kelts is like your America's most haunted. It was their America's most haunted. They had no business going from Kelts to then thinking they could sell all of these games, rent this big factory, have all of this space. Like what about Kelts? Signal to anybody here that this company was ready, that they were ready to take the next leap forward, that they knew what consumers wanted, that they had innovations and a product that people couldn't wait to get. It should have ended at Kelts. It should have. I mean, even America's Most Haunted is a better game than Kelts. And so like they literally, it's like a child that just learned how to ride a bike with training wheels and now all of a sudden Damien wanted to be in the Tour de France. And it's just like, again, it just never should have gone the way it did. And in the end, in the end, the reason why these companies fail, the reason why is because there's too many cheerleaders That don't tell these men to stop and think a little bit about what they're doing to maybe slow down, maybe study what Spooky did. You know, study how they evolved. Think about it. If you're a boutique like Damien and you want to like figure out how to succeed the way Spooky did mirror them, Damien. They didn't do what you did. It's just like at the point now where now what? What? Right? We've been down this road before. Now what? Right? Do people deserve a refund? So that's a, let's ask that question right now. Let's ask that question right now. We know who they are. We know who the distributors are. You've got Flip N Out Pinball, you've got Nitro, and you've got RS Pinball in France. Those are the three distributors of Haggis Pinball. They all took money from people on Centaur deposits. They instilled confidence in this company when they took those Centaur deposits. Okay? And so now what? Now what happens? Now when Damien drops this letter and says not only are we not done with Fathoms, but we're going to reduce and slow down the already slowest production happening in all of pinball, We're gonna downsize production and we're gonna have to recapitalize and repartner up. What does that even mean? So where are, where, so I think people deserve a refund. And remember when you were giving money into the distributors and they said we were not gonna give the money to Haggis Pinball. And only when Haggis goes under, we'll be responsible. Look, game, game. This thing could draw out for years. You know, I feel like Damien's going to retreat to a much smaller facility. He's probably going to be screwing together one game a week. And so what? It could take another year to finish the fathoms. If it even happens, it could go into liquidation. You know, who knows where things go now? I mean, I have no clue, but it's not good. It's not good. You know, and and for why would anyone get in bed with this company? I said it back then and I haven't disclosed the things that happened between me and Flip N Out Pinball because when I was covering Haggis back in May and I have all the emails to prove it, I was getting basically legal notices, legal notices that I was saying things incorrectly about their relationship with Haggis to which I offered to retract or make up anything I said. And they never responded. And I had to have a lawyer look over everything because I was basically being accused of things that, again, now what? Now where we're at? Where we at now? Huh? Where we at? You took people's money, you gave money to Haggis, and now those people are screwed for how long now? And I said it. What's the point? What was the point of getting in bed with this company that was highly volatile, just For another buck, I mean, some of these distributors like wake up, like, just be happy that you're selling a bunch of stern toppers and making money on those things when you're not doing much work other than putting a postage label on a damn topper box. Like, don't get greedy. Like greediness is what's really hurting pinball. Like, so now they've got a dilemma. The distributors have a dilemma. Now, what do they do? What do they do? They don't have the money either. What's happening here? Like, someone is going to lose out here. And let's face it people, just like HighwayPinball, if everybody wanted a refund right now, the habits would be over instantly. The company would be out of business in one day if they gave refunds. And that's not good. Look, I know this is unfortunate. And nobody wants to see these companies fail. But you got to be kidding me, people, you got to be a complete moron. You gotta be a complete moron to wire money in full over to Australia or to a distributor for a company that is doing this. When you can take the same amount of money and go buy a physical machine that's in a box from Spooky today, from Jersey Jack, from Stern, from Chicago Gaming Company, you could call up distributors from all over the world. They have inventory. And until we stop this shenanigans where you're angel investing and kickstarting these boutiques, do you think Dutch Pinball is going to take preorder money on Back to the Future like they're going to need that? No, they're going to be making the game. And yeah, Centaur, $10,000 and $17,000 for a centaur. Nobody's buying that game. Nobody. And whichever ones were sold, and like a moment of silence for the biggest fools on the planet. These series ticket holder people who gave Damien $4,500 for four titles in advance. Just because the man screwed together a few Celts. It's just funny people that in the end, in the end, I will have made more money on Kaneda's Pinball Podcast this year than Haggis Pinball has made. And that's just that. I have no overhead, well just what's over my head and what's in my head. I do three shows a week with Audacity software which is free and I use a $250 microphone and I give pinball entertainment and joy to a few thousand people a week and I get a little bit of money in return. I don't burn anybody. I do exactly what I say I'm going to do. I give you guys more entertainment than you'll ever get from Haggis. You know this. I'm more fun than a fathom pinball machine. You know this. This is more fun than a fathom pinball machine. Look, you would never be able to play Fathom for the amount of hours you listen to Kaneda. I'm more fun than some of these machines. You know that. And this is where we're at. And now we're going to have to hear from these distros what they're going to do. Now look, it's on them. It's on them. I mean, some of them are on the record for saying they would give refunds. But I do remember them saying they were not going to send the money to Haggis. Now all of a sudden they did send the money to Haggis. That's a problem. Now look, none of that's in writing. None of it's in writing and there's a reason why if you go on the distributor websites gang, like read the terms and conditions of your Centaur order, it's like you're gonna get it one day, we just don't know when. And people still gave money. It's just, that's cool. No. The new Kaneda shirt is Kaneda. Always recapitalizing. Alright? Recapitalizing? Recapitalizing is the new hedge multiball. It's the phrase of 2024 people. Kaneda, always recapitalizing. Alright? I'm always recapitalizing. Okay? It's become a joke. It's become a joke. And you know, look, ultimately, you know, Haggis is like, Simple The end of the day, the end of the day, if everything was as good as those two years of interviews and videos and confidence building content that they pumped out, if they were, if they were accurate, we would have had a pinball. We wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. You know what I'm saying? I have to remember something people. Emoto, what's up? In May, Damien said he'd have all the fathoms built by the end of the year and Centaur production would start in January. The man is still talking about COVID. The man is still bringing up COVID as an excuse. The COVID is over, Damien. There's nobody anymore talking about COVID as like the reason why they can't hand in I'm just doing a homework assignment, bro. You're like, is COVID just hovering over your house? Are you the only company where COVID is impacting the supply chain? Everybody's turned on again, man. Everybody but Haggis. Like in some cruel world, God up there was like, the world can turn back on except for Haggis Pinball. If I'm going to screw anybody over, you know, it's not, I'm not, it's gonna be Haggis. It's gonna be Haggis. They, they, they, they, we're, let's let everybody go back to business as usual except for Haggis. I'm just not feeling it guys. God's like, I'm not feeling this company and their extra thick playfields which means they have to manufacture in-house every single post and part has to be specially fabricated because the playfields are a little thicker and did nobody think I'm not even drinking and I can tell you that Damien at 1034 in New York City brother. If you do this, if you do this, it's not going to work out. We just make a normal playfield and normal post and normal screws. You know, no, you only wanna, you're like Andrew Highway, you wanna know how a hex post is made? No, Andrew! I don't wanna know how a hex post is made. I don't even know what a hex post is, brother, but I know what recapitalization is. And that ain't good. That ain't good. Don't make me go Billy Madison on this guy. I can do a good Adam Sandler. I'm going to go, Damien, come on. It's ridiculous, right? And they're watching right now. They're watching. The haters are watching right now. I mean, once I, I got to check out Kaneda. He's the only one who's talking like this. Let's get our show ready to respond to him. But he doesn't listen to our show. We have to listen to everything he says and he doesn't even listen to anything we say. He never mentions us once on his show. Why do we We keep talking about him. He's living in our heads. Rent free would have been a seven trippy. It's going to be seven. Number seven doesn't count. Number seven doesn't count. Look people, I do believe in forgiveness. I do believe in letting people be honest about their situation. But I'll tell you, I'll tell you, there's something about forgiveness should come when you're honestly sorry for what you've done. You know, people keep bringing up Dutch, and here's the big difference between Dutch and Haggis. I'll tell you the big difference between Dutch, who, by the way, spent about 15% of our lives screwing us over, but they crawled out. Now there's only one reason why Barry made it work. There's only one reason why Barry could have crawled out of that gutter and he's doing great now and man does he have some juggernauts coming and man I can't wait. The only reason Barry was able to crawl out of his hole is because he had talent and he He had a game that people wanted. Okay. That's why they built a spectacular game that people wanted and they just ran out of money or they mismanaged their finances, but they still had the talent! Damien made Kelts! DAMIEN'S first game was Kelts! I can't even believe I'm saying this! You have a guy that made the Big Lebowski or a guy that made Kelts! And imagine if you're a venture capitalist and you walk into the room, okay guys, I'm gonna put my money somewhere. Show me what you can make, then show me what you can make. And one dude walks in with the big Lebowski, which embarrasses the major companies in the entire industry, and the other dude walks in with Kelts. And you're gonna be like, I can't even believe, I can't even believe we're having this conversation. It should've ended at Kelts. That's another T-shirt idea. How many Kelts sold? One too many, brother! One too many. This is what happens when I'm sick for a week. And I come back. Now look guys, if you like this kind of stuff, come on, kick some stars brothers. Kick some stars. I'm gonna have to make this one a podcast. The audio is gonna become a pod- This is too good. My paying customers are getting this. This is, you guys are getting too much for free. You're getting too much for free. So, look, that's it. That's it. So like Centaur, that's what's funny is like Centaur can't save you. Centaur can't save this guy. At least Andrew Highway had Alien. Dutchess got Back to the Future. Bro, it's like, it's like, okay, what do you got next? What do you got next? If you're an investor, okay, Big Lebowski looks good. What do you got next? Back to the Future. All right. All right. What do you got next? Well, we're going to remake Centaur. Huh? The fuck is that? Can you imagine an investor? Back to the future. I get it. Love the movie. Kids love it. Seen it my whole life. What do you got? Centaur. What's this guy talking about? Centaur? No! No! No, no, no! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not doing this. If you sent money in if you sent money in on the game thank you Mark for the stars Look you can get a centaur people for like five The guy wants to sell you a centaur for ten to seventeen thousand dollars and and nobody was like um Yo Dane Yo Dane Dane Check it out bro Come here bro Dane Yo this mark Marty Marty. Why aren't you like yo Dane check it out. I'm on pin side marketplace right now Looks like these centaurs are going for like five G's broke You really think we're gonna be able to sell these things for ten to seventeen Well, I don't know man, and Dame's like, I don't know bro, like let's just throw in a helmet and a leather jacket, maybe they'll bite if we do that. I mean this is like an SNL skit people, but this is like it really happened. Like it really happened, they did this. They did this. Don't make me do the Scarface voice. Hey, hey, hey, is this what it's about? Huh? Is this what it's about? Plastic playfields, elongated posts, 8 month delays, You need people like me. You need people like me so Kaneda can point at me and say that's the bad guy. Well look, we recapitalizing so say goodnight to the bad guy. Alright? You gotta admit people, with no notes, no nothing, like I don't even have like any agenda today. This is pretty good. You're getting some pretty good damn content. Like later this week, Genki's gonna be like, oh man I missed it, it was on fire. Yeah, yeah, you're getting it. I mean, I made more money on this Facebook Live than Haggis is going to make all year. I made about right now like 12 bucks. Thank you for the $12 people. Maybe it's a little bit more than 12 bucks. I think it's like 12 bucks. All right. All right. All right, guys, if you enjoyed that, show your love, kick some stars to your boy Kaneda. Let's see how much money we can make more than Haggis does this year. Can we do that? Can we see if we can get to 20,000 stars on this episode? Because I think I think we can get to 20,000 stars. That is more money than Haggis has ever made in the company's history. I mean, it's just, it's, that's like 200 bucks. I think we can get there. I mean, Billy B, Billy B right now is eating, is eating his like salmon with like caviar on top. He's like, he's like, Sabrina, Kaneda wants $20 from us. Just pass the Cristal, babe, like in the Waterford Crystal with the pinky out. He's like, I can't believe this guy is busking for money. Sabrina, did we I washed the third Ferrari today. Did we? Because, you know, I noticed a little bit of brake dust on the V12 the other day. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I even have to busk. Guys know what you're getting. I know what's out there. I know what I could be doing with a real category, at least in my time. But, you know, it's fun. Fun. I don't want to talk about. All right, what it was talking about. Let's talk about something else. That was a good 40 minute run on Haggis. Um, yeah, it kind of made my podcast for me. It's just gonna air that. It doesn't get up to nine. She I feel like she sleeps in plank, Bill. She sleeps in plank. Um, okay. So look, we got Stern. Let's go to Stern. Let's go to Stern, LEs. I'm not not gonna all be made at once. I don't think we've seen this before. Have we seen a gap in Stern starting an LE run and then stopping it? I don't know if we've seen this before. Part of me feels like, part of me feels like this little Kaneda conspiracy theory. I feel like Stern is doing this on purpose. I think they want to control the supply of LEs and trickle them out to maintain their value a little bit. I don't think they want them all to hit it once. I've never seen Stern misorder parts. So I think they might be trying to like manipulate the market a little bit with this pause. Because there's not many parts that are different from a premium than an LE. You've got white powder coated armor. Man, that wouldn't take like they wouldn't start making them till The 3D Translite or whatever. I don't know. This doesn't seem like they would start pulling that LE lever down until they were ready. So I think this is a slow trickle out to make sure that nobody is, you know, instantly losing on their LEs to try to preserve some value. They're having issues sourcing the reflective decals. You believe that, Dave? You believe that they can't find a printer to make decals in the United States of America? Huh. Huh. I don't know. Well, who printed the ones that are on the games being made right now? You know, that's what I don't get. Anyway, it probably is just the decal issue though. I'm just, I love conspiracy theories. Let's talk about the shark mod, the one that eats the ball, with mouths always open. You know, I've been watching it more and more. I've been watching it and you know, I give the guy credit. Who made it again? I think he's a member of the Kaneda club. Who made the shark? Let's give him some credit here. I wanna give him a shout out. So does anyone know who engineered that? I don't know what the name of the company is. Can we write in the comments and I'll say it out loud so everybody knows where to get this mod? I'm waiting for the answer. What do we got? Better than the pro standard alternative. Yeah, it is better than the pro. It definitely changes gameplay. It does look like a labyrinth topper hat. Thank you, Dave. Yeah, I actually thought too that like It is going to make Jaws much easier to have that. Spooky Luke, man, you joined at the wrong time, man. You're going to have to go back and watch the last 40 minutes of this show. Interactive Pinball. All right, Trent. Yeah, Trent. Great. I mean, great engineering on that thing. I said it on my show, I'll say it now. I'm not a fan of mods that change the design of the game. The fact that like if the ball rolls over those optos, it counts as three hits at once, it's feeding the ball into a Vuck which then feeds it right to the, you know, right to the right flipper where that takes away, that takes away some of the chaos and the randomness of the game. It's making the game easier. There's no way around it. It's making the game easier. The Jerry Ramp did the same thing in Rick and Morty. And I know people are like, well, it's making the game download state, item link, copy right now srریalwhile費etsenseamnoy socks www. Ei.Gameday.com give as a service teens hairdansa, hotson, n idksx& $9 $9 $9 Show of hands, who of you out there is planning on getting this mod? See I think that, and Bill is just saying this, I think the more we buy these mods, the more we take the onus off of Stern to do it right. I mean, look at Jersey Jack, look at the piano in Elton John. That thing is insane. I'm sorry, but like the fact that we now have to hack up these expensive Stern games to do the work that they should have done at the factory. I don't know why that excites anybody. I really don't. And I think Stern starting to rely on the mod community, which is why they've stopped sending out cease and desist letters on stuff. They're just they'd rather you do the work because they'll make money off of your work. Wow, Dutch said, Larry, what's up brother? Here's my take on Jaws. I think Jaws is going to go down just above Avengers when it comes to an L1 game. I don't think it's going to be what people, I think it's a theme that's very one-dimensional. I think it shootss just fine, but it doesn't have wow. It doesn't have wow shots. And I mean that like Avengers is way cooler to watch the ball whiz around in the Avengers game. It's way cooler to shoot Jurassic Park and Godzilla than it is to shoot Jaws. For some, you'll see it when you play Jaws. For some reason, everything is in the back of the game. The ball is often, especially with that upper playfield, the ball is often like disappearing into the upper area of the machine. And yeah, like it's diverting and it's whizzing back and the flow is there and the combos are there, but they're not exhilarating to hit. And there's something about seeing the ball go up a ramp that's exciting, seeing the ball whiz around. I mean, one of the most exciting shots in Elton John The Wireform in the upper left where the rocket shoots it out and it goes around that wire form It's like watching a little roller coaster under glass and I think Avengers has a lot of that I think Godzilla has more of that and I just think jaws doesn't have that So and again, it's not a bad game It's just not the game we were waiting for it's not and it's not the jaws under glass I'm not going to go into the pinball community and not really achieve, I think, like a level of success or adoration that other pins are going to get. general analysis, I mean, that was like the one thing the game needed to do the same way in like Star Wars. Like if you make a Star Wars game and you're not really using magnets to grab the ball using the force, you failed. You know, I mean, there's just there's like certain themes where if it doesn't do this, what are we doing here? Right? What are we even doing here? You make a Toy Story game with no toys in it like that failed, right? It's just there's just needs to be like the thing you expect happening in the game. Part weird things and mention about the vilain of the game based on the theme and just doesn't deliver that. It doesn't. You all know it, y'all know it. But it's really hard sometimes to be honest about some of this stuff because the Stern Army and the Elwyn Army. And there's a lot of people that just like will never say anything, you know, lukewarm about him or his efforts. You know, I think the game code will get there in the end. But I just don't see the design as being anything really mesmerizing or captivating. Jaws still looks better than any game. I don't agree with that, Nolan. I think Deadpool looks better. I think Ghostbusters... When you say looks better, Ghostbusters looks better. I think Foo Fighters looks better. I think Godzilla looks better. I think Jurassic Park doesn't look better, but you know, but look, we're about to get some really sexy looking games coming up. And if the whole movie and its protagonist downfall is a metal object in its mouth with a final shot to set it off. Yeah, I know Bill, right? It's like how Stern did not have a shark with a oxygen tank pop up labrondt exhibitions sexy external band never is probably the best innovation in pinball all year. The fact that they got the topper to owners right around the time they got their game is very impressive. I think Barrels of Fun is going to be, you know, I think they're really going to be a player in this hobby. And I think they're going to find this really successful white space of a company that's going to make around a thousand games a year. J rich. All right. Well, thank you for watching a large part of this presentation. We'll see you in the upcoming one. WPPRonscious Attendhilary sucks Shet I mean, I feel bad. I don't feel bad because you know what? I don't get I don't get I don't get Jerry's way out of this. I don't I don't know how Jerry gets I don't know how Jerry's gonna make it. I I don't know Jerry's model. I don't know how it works. I think he's got to get At least a thousand people with multi morphics out in the world to make developing for that kit I'm really jazzed. Let me be candid. I'm really excited this year to see the tremendous successes and the tremendous failures of pinball I think at these prices you either have a tremendous hit like maybe the Matrix, maybe Back to the Future will be it, well we know it will be, Alice in Wonderland might be a hit, I think we're going to see tremendous failures like American Pinball's Bobby, why do I say Bobby, Barry O game. I think that's going to be a huge failure. If all the rumors are true and American Pinball's next game is a Barry O. food-based game, I think it's going to flop tremendously. I think Princess Bride is going to, I don't know, I don't think it's going to do that well because again, you have to get into the entire platform. There's a lot of talent coming out of the homebrew space, Dave, and they're all ending up at Jersey Jack Pinball. I think Jersey Jack Pinball, you know, is, as David Fix would say, is in it for the long haul. I think Jersey Jack Pinball, it's going to take them 10 years, but I think now that they've got the feel down and they've got great licenses lined up and they've got a lot of talent in house and if they can just not overcomplicate their games code wise and if they I think Jersey Jack Pinball is going to really grow into itself over the next few years. And they obviously have to grow into their pricing model. Cengiz, man, you missed the greatest show of all time, man. You really did. Like, you're here like an hour late. I mean, you wanted fire. I didn't just give fire. I scorched earth in Australia on this podcast. I'm a little out of breath. The reason why I'm so amped, hey, I love it. I love it when people are like, it's Chris Koulouris of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. You see that's the new thing gang, I hear they're doing to dig on me is they're just, they're trying to just call me my full name. It's Chris Koulouris of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. Yeah Chris Koulouris is here of Kaneda Pinball Podcast I love it I love it They don want to call me Kaneda You know it like he not Iceman It Doug Moe Jr You know we should all just go by our real names like everybody It's not Rare Hero. It's Greg Colton. It's it's not what a WB brand is. It's Bill Brandt. You know, it's like there should be like a month where everybody has to go by their full name. Like, let's just let's let everybody Google image everybody to see who they really are. I've never hidden who I am. I've never hidden where I work. I've never hidden what I look like. When you saw on the Haggis thread, you finally got to see that pumpkin guy, the one who's been just cheerleading Haggis all these years. The moment I saw that, dude, I was like, all right, now it all makes sense. Now it all makes sense. Is Mirko doing Elton Playfield's? Yes. I will say this. Elton John Playfield does dimple like a mofo. It is like, it looks like a golf ball, the one at Jack Bar already. Because of the speed of that game and there's a lot of air balls, it's a lot of dimples. Now, it doesn't bother me as long as it's not chipping and cracking and stuff like that. I love it. Bill, it's just funny to me, like, the fact that, you know, they don't want to say Kaneda. It's Terry Hogan, not Hulk Hogan. Larry Hogan's here. Oh my god. In the end, people, in the end, just make sure you get your Back to the Future order. Oh, and I've already been talking with Melissa, and I can tell you, Kaneda Club is going to exclusively have some Back to the Futures to sell and also some Alice in Wonderland machines to sell. I'm not getting free shipping from me or anything like that. It just means that these games are going to be hard to get and some of my club members might be able to exclusively get on some of these games. And there might be some SLEs happening and we might hold five of those back for Kaneda Club members as just a thank you for being a member of the Kaneda Club. I don't know why that would upset anybody. Am I controversial? What's controversial about me? What's controversial about Chris Kool-Lorris? We were upstairs with Killian building a snowman. It was so much fun. It was actually fun on the roof because there's nobody up there. The snow accumulated. It's like the perfect snow to pack for snowballs and snowmen and we built an Olaf on the roof of this building and Yeah, that's why I'm wearing this winter hat. Spies like us, people. Um... Alright, let's um... What else do you guys want to talk about? This has been a great hour. We don't have to go the whole 90 minutes. I will, you know, thank you guys for no stars today. We only got a few people giving stars. Hilton, what's up, brother? Um... Congratulations, Hilton, on getting one of the... I think the first Texas Chainsaw Massacre is on location. Um... I think the first Texas Chainsaw Massacre is on location. The WPPR is on location. How is it Hilton? Is it? Is it? I mean, I don't know. I'm talking to one of the few people who's been able to jump on it. The 20 stars, 200 stars. I hope that Jack Bar orders Greg Bone in the house. Greg, welcome brother. Everybody's welcome here. Nobody's banned. I think I've only banned, I've only banned a few, happy belated birthday Greg. Now Greg we've been talking about Haggis, we've been talking about Haggis and I know it's not, it's not anyone's fault at the distributor level. And as I've said, I just wouldn't have got in bed with Damien. That's it. That's it. I don't blame anybody at the distro level. I just never would have sent Damien money. And no one's going to argue with that. That is nothing anybody would argue with. It's all on the company. It's all on the company to deliver. You just gotta be careful who you trust in the pinball manufacturing space. Alright, flows well, I'm very happy with the launch code also. Alright, good, good. Well look, you know, it's gonna be, I think what's gonna be, I mean everyone should see what Don says about, he's got both. He's got both games coming. It's gonna be interesting, like, to have both games, like, it's gonna be funny to go like, man, like, if you've had your fill of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, to move over one and have the same exact layout for, I mean, look, I give him credit, I give him credit. That was a flex, you know, to go over to Spooky and buy both games at once. I wouldn't personally do that, but it's like owning, what, a Shrek and a Family Guy. You could do it. You could do it. But I think I would own one and play the other on location, especially like, especially if you have access to these games. It seems like Don's got pretty easy access to, to go play these games on location. Location play gang is going to really pick up. I think we're seeing more and more of it. I think at these prices, we're seeing more location play. And I think You know, it's like freaking A. Just if you get in good with the location too, they'll probably like open up for you a little early and, you know, let you play the game at full volume for an hour. I mean, John will let me do that at Jack Bar if I give him a heads up. You know, I mean, can I come play the game for an hour? Sure. Here's 50 bucks. Go home with $13,000 saved. The I wish New York City was more economical to open up something like that. You know, John's got a good setup, but it would be hard to make money with the rent in like Manhattan on a pinball place. Like most of the places are older arcade games. Cengiz, come on. Cengiz charges $3 a play, Cengiz. You're ripping off your Denmark's citizens, brother. $3! Most expensive place on planet earth to play pinball is in Denmark. He's making a killing. Three bucks a play. Is it three Denmark dollars or is that US dollars? I don't know if there's a difference. I haven't been back to Sunshine since they only have like four games now. Brand new L, E, and C for $1 play. Yeah, I don't like just curious Hilton like but why why put an Ellie on location like it To me like that move makes no sense like why shove an Ellie or a CE? into into a location environment when you could just get a premium like I There's no right. There's no reason why there's no reason why Because it's fun. Hmm You know, I think the craziest is when Al put his Batman Super LE on location in New York City at Pioneer Bar and it was absolutely destroyed. Like, there are not 80 Batman SLEs out there. There's probably like 73. I get it Hilton, it's a side hustle. We all got good jobs. If we didn't have good jobs, well, we wouldn't be here. You know, you don't see people making like $35,000 a year, like making pinball, like talking about collecting pinball machines. I mean, some people, maybe, I don't know. You couldn't even do it. You couldn't even, you couldn't even buy anything. Ah, the playfield protectors. I love how they annoy everybody. What else is going on? Like Princess Bride. On a scale of 1 to 10, how excited are you for Princess Bride, people? Are you excited? What's Jerry gonna do with the screen? It seems like he's got all the assets. I'm curious what the mechs are gonna be. Damn, it's harsh. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Minus four. Andre in the game. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know if I outgrew it. It's just, you know what it is about pinball? Is you want, you want pinball to be this experience, right? Like certain movies and themes really lend themselves well to creating that world. The experience has to have some high energy and some like like real like wow magical moments to it and I don't know if like Princess Bride's gonna like deliver on that like I don't know it's why Elton John is like even though it's simple in its execution it's just fun to like plunge a game and have like Make sure you hopefully they all get the G carga's self- 그만 distortion tickets from the physical reasons for making this film gently. I ain't got time to bleed. So why didn't you call in the regular army? What do you need with us? Cause some damn fool accused you of being the best. Dylan! I mean, it just never gets old. Look guys, I think we're gonna, I think we're gonna end this one in a little bit unless I'm not sure if you want to keep going for 20 more minutes. You let me know. I mean, I think I gave so much earlier on in this Facebook Live that I'm like, I'm exhausted and I'm coming off of a week where I've been really sick. I still haven't had much food in me in like three days and I need to work all weekend. We have a big business pitch we're working on. Working on, I can't tell you, but it's, I don't know if we're going to win it. We'll see. New business is interesting. You do your best and you don't know. You just don't know. I think it was a good show today. I think we're going to have more to talk about this week. Gang, look, have a great weekend and I want to just summarize everything I've been saying real quick. I know that we're here because we love pinball and we love the community and we love how this box of lights brings all of these unique people together in such a fun way. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. While we definitely are excited by new pinball, more times than not, new companies have thrown their hat into the ring and they've taken money and they don't really know how to run a pinball manufacturing company. Three guesses, what are the next three spooky games? I think that Ben Heck is working on Evil Dead. And from there, Hilton, I haven't really heard I'm not sure if you've heard of anything other than, you know, I mean, we always get the Nightmare on Elm Street, Evil Dead, and Spooky's done a nice mix of like comedy, so maybe something in the, I would, another comedy theme. They've been doing well with cartoons. So, I mean, I would love it if Spooky got He-Man. I mean, I feel like everyone thinks He-Man is Stern and then it was supposed to be American Pinball. Now we'll see. Isn't, you know we didn't talk about, isn't there an all new company making Little Shop of Horrors? Didn't Jason Mapp write that? That an all new company... Hilted. Good. Are you excited for Back to the Future? Look, it's a good time to be in the hobby. You know, like Hilton's excitement has me excited. There's just, there's only so much space and there's only so much money, right? And I think that's where everything is at. I think ultimately, we're going to be pulling the trigger on, we're only going to want to own games that we want to keep forever. I really think that's what pinball is going to turn into at these prices and everything else will play on location. Everything else we will play at shows. Everything else we will play at a friend's house. But unless you really want to own it forever, you're not going to be buying games. Not at these prices with the stuff coming out. And for a game to move out of your house, something really magical has to be made. The big challenge is all these manufacturers out there, they need to sell product. They need to keep the line going. I'm happy to go to Jack Bar, spend 20 bucks on an Elton John, have a few drinks, play Come home, order dinner, go to bed, wake up with money. Alright everybody, be good, I'll give you another minute for stars, I mean it's been bad. 1600 stars? We used to be like 10,000 stars. I used to be somebody. When I lit, when I lit the pinball world on fire. You know, I will say, I got asked, I'll tell you the truth, I got asked, Colin asked somebody to ask me to stop making fun of him. You know this? This is a true story. He didn't want to reach out to me. He reached out to somebody else and said, stop making fun of me. Can you ask Kaneda to stop making fun of me? Okay. And you know what I said? I said I'm not going to make fun of any other content creators other than Colin. I said I'll stop making fun of you when you reinstate me to the database. And I'm still not on there. He lists every single pinball content creator but me. Hmm. Hmm. Huh. It's real simple. Just put me on a list. I'm an internet bully. I know. All 165 pounds of me coming at everybody. As Malcolm X said, I could beat them with my mind more than I can beat them with my body. Thank you for watching. Have a great Saturday. This was a lot of fun. Thank you for getting my energy levels to the roof. We'll be back next Saturday. Lots of good podcasts coming this week. So thank you for being a member of the club. All right, everybody. We'll be back. Get to the choppa. Sorry, Damien. You should have just made the games like you said you would. I was going to turn a corner if you got all those fathoms made in James. I'm sorry. You got all those fathoms made in January like you said you would. I'm gonna go back right now and recapitalize Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. Later.