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Episode 660: "Haggis Speaks & Weird Al Thoughts"

Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)·podcast_episode·20m 41s·analyzed·Mar 20, 2022
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TL;DR

Kaneda reviews Haggis and Weird Al updates, critiques manufacturing delays, and reflects on boutique pinball failures.

Summary

Kaneda discusses Haggis Pinball's production update on Fathom and Weird Al Pinball from Multimorphic, expressing cautious optimism about both games while remaining skeptical about their timely delivery. He criticizes manufacturing delays across the boutique pinball industry, calls out accountability issues, and reflects critically on Deep Root Pinball's failed business model and the community's willingness to forgive failed executives.

Key Claims

  • Haggis Pinball has moved production focus from Celts to Fathom as of mid-March

    high confidence · Kaneda states 'Celts production has ceased and now they will move on to Fathom manufacturing. But it is mid-March people!'

  • Weird Al is the nicest Multimorphic P3 game shown to date

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'Now first and foremost this is the nicest Multimorphic P3 game we've seen now'

  • Weird Al features mode-based playfield transformations (deli, diner, surgery game modes)

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'when you go into each new mode, the entire playfield becomes the mode, right? You're in a deli or in a diner. You're like a surgeon'

  • The Weird Al topper looks cheap and doesn't justify being limited to LE Avatar package

    medium confidence · Kaneda: 'the topper just looked really cheap...when you saw it in real life I feel like they had to pull the camera away from it...it just looked really really cheap'

  • Weird Al corkscrew ramp was ineffective at ~50% of the time during stream gameplay

    medium confidence · Kaneda: 'The game was really tight! People were not making the ramp very often. That corkscrew ramp wasn't really effective at 50% of the time'

  • Deep Root Pinball company failed due to poor execution despite having interesting design concepts

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'That company was a joke. They had no idea what they were doing...nobody cares about your ideas. It's how well you execute your ideas that makes all of the difference'

  • Kaneda will offer $100 to whichever company (Haggis or Multimorphic) ships their game first

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'I am going to send Black Water $100...If it's Weird Al, I will send Jerry $100...If Haggis Pinball can ship Fathom first, I will send Haggis Pinball $100'

Notable Quotes

  • “It's not about whether or not this game is sexy. It's not about whether or not the code is any good. It's about one simple fact. Do you think they can survive this long with this many delays and get four to five games manufactured?”

    Kaneda @ ~3:30 — Core concern about Haggis Pinball's viability given accumulated delays and financial strain

  • “Do you get a congratulations when you're a year late on what you promise? No! What I'm gonna say is finally Fathom games are shipping to customers.”

    Kaneda @ ~6:15 — Establishes Kaneda's stance on industry accountability vs. premature praise for delayed deliveries

  • “I don't like having to fund American Pinball company operations for eight months, nine months, 10 months before I get my toy.”

    Kaneda @ ~7:00 — Criticizes the practice of pre-funding manufacturers with extended delays before delivery

  • “You have to be nuts to want to make a pinball machine. I mean, it's probably easier to make a house than a pinball machine.”

    Kaneda @ ~16:45 — Reflects on the difficulty and risk of pinball manufacturing as a business model

  • “The majority of pinball boutique companies have been losers. They've gone out of business. It doesn't matter how big their dreams were, how big their ambitions were. They don't get a passing grade. They failed.”

    Kaneda @ ~20:30 — Unsparing assessment of boutique manufacturer failure rate and rejection of narrative sympathy

  • “There were too many people in this community that knew nothing was ever gonna get made there and they didn't say anything. And we welcome those people back into the pinball community with open arms. What does that say about the pinball community?”

    Kaneda @ ~21:15 — Criticism of community willingness to forgive former Deep Root executives without accountability

  • “I still to this day do not understand why more people can get on the mic and talk about pinball and pinball companies without being afraid of what the companies are going to think about what they say.”

Entities

KanedapersonHaggis PinballcompanyDamien HartonpersonFathomgameCeltsgameWeird AlgameMultimorphiccompany

Signals

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Haggis Pinball's extended inactivity prior to mid-March Fathom production shift; Kaneda notes accumulated months with no revenue and shrinking profit margins with each passing day

    high · Kaneda: 'every day that goes by, the margin of profit gets smaller and smaller and smaller' and 'months of inactivity and so many months of no money coming in'

  • ?

    product_concern: Weird Al corkscrew ramp showing ~50% failure rate during public stream; questions about whether the game's mechanical design supports playability despite aesthetic appeal

    medium · Kaneda: 'The game was really tight! People were not making the ramp very often. That corkscrew ramp wasn't really effective at 50% of the time'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Weird Al's novel approach to rule design where entire playfield theme changes with each mode (deli, diner, surgery game), showcasing Multimorphic P3 platform's dynamic potential

    high · Kaneda: 'when you go into each new mode, the entire playfield becomes the mode, right? You're in a deli or in a diner. You're like a surgeon and you're playing the game of operation'

  • ?

    product_concern: Weird Al Avatar Limited Edition topper appears cheaply made in person compared to promotional renders; unlikely to justify LE exclusivity

    medium · Kaneda: 'For some reason the topper just looked really cheap...when you saw it in real life I feel like they had to pull the camera away from it...it just looked really really cheap'

  • ?

    business_signal: Kaneda asserts that the majority of pinball boutique companies have failed; uses Deep Root Pinball as cautionary example of poor execution despite ambitious ideas; notes even Jersey Jack needed bailout

Topics

Manufacturing delays and accountabilityprimaryHaggis Pinball production status and Fathom delivery timelineprimaryWeird Al Pinball gameplay, design, and platform capabilitiesprimaryBoutique pinball manufacturer business failures and executionprimaryDeep Root Pinball bankruptcy and community accountabilityprimaryIndustry criticism standards and editorial independencesecondaryTexas Pinball Festival and Twippies Awards coveragesecondaryJersey Jack Pinball quality control and playfield issuessecondary

Sentiment

negative(-0.68)— Kaneda expresses frustration with manufacturing delays, skepticism about timely delivery, harsh criticism of failed boutique manufacturers (especially Deep Root), and disappointment with industry accountability standards. While he acknowledges appreciation for game quality (Fathom, Weird Al aesthetics) and community support, the dominant tone is critical, demanding, and pessimistic about the boutique manufacturing ecosystem's viability.

Transcript

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Guys let's play some Pinball!!! Hey, there must be something in the water this weekend because we finally got an update from Haggis Pinball we got to see Weird Al from Multimorphic, we're going to talk about both of those things right now but you know me this is a great time to be in pinball because you've got these games you've got the New Jersey Jackpots Jack pinball machine just around the corner somewhere in May or June then You've got TPF this weekend We've got the Twippies coming up but let's jump right to it so we got to see an update from Haggis Pinball and this is all I've ever wanted I want them to communicate I want them to tell us what is going on over at Haggis how close our owners of fathom to getting their games now we still don't know that answer we're going to talk about that but let's talk about what we did see we got The game is gorgeous by the way. It is gorgeous. This is one of the most beautiful pinball machines of all time and now it looks even better. The playfield looks like glass. The backglass is actually glass. BASICictional Commencement lawn Frankly가�hin1 D upfront S ball Mormon, ll Numalnız Collect 잊 merci Menschen트처 찢길妈 아버,бы ans, It巧 언음 oder kho간 disregard 원래 스포 Pastor I think the new code set is going to give people more depth to this game. I like the two screens on the aprons. Everything about this package is super super sexy. But the main question still remains. When are people going to get their fathoms? We did not see any people inside the factory. We did not see any parts. We did not see any manufacturing. Kelt's production has ceased and now they will move on to fathom manufacturing. But it is mid-March people! And that's the only thing. It's not about whether or not this game is sexy. It's not about whether or not the code is any good. It's about one simple fact. Do you think they can survive this long with this many delays and get four to five games manufactured? They're in it now. Like they're in it for the long run. And I hope they I hope Haggis gets it done. I just don't know how you recover from so many months of inactivity and so many months of no money coming in. How do you not rob Peter to pay Paul when you have that many months and no games are on the line? It's got to be super difficult, but we will see what happens. But from what I saw yesterday in the Haggis update, I think the game is sexy. I think people who are in on it are going to be The game is a classic form of pinball. The reason I do like games like Fathom is because when you have a deep line up of games, these are the kinds of games that casual people can walk up to and understand. You could explain to people how to play a game like Fathom. How to explain to someone how to play Pirates of the Caribbean or Avengers right and immediately watch them fall backwards and play dead. So beautiful game, beautiful playfield, beautiful music, beautiful everything. Now Damien and company just need to make these games. And someone said to me, Kaneda, you need to be the first person to congratulate them when they ship their first fathom after everything you've put them in. The Week in Pinball, Johnny Pneumonic, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, transliteregonate And I just want to say for the record, do you get a congratulations when you're a year late on what you promise? No! What I'm gonna say is finally Fathom Games are shipping to customers. That's what I'm gonna say. Look, I have empathy and I understand that delays happen, but you gotta also keep companies accountable. When we stop keeping companies and people accountable for the stuff they promise us as consumers, This week in Pinball Podcast, Terminate a new practice in pinball is you lock up people money with the promise of an ETA ship date Then you make them wait way more months than you said they would have to wait And then they have no choice but to be utterly patient like incredibly patient waiting for their product And I sorry but I don like this practice I just don like it I don like having to fund a pinball company operation for eight months nine months 10 months before I get my toy I want to buy a toy that ready to go into my home As a yaşnak, inaugural, dampげ� XMLavaş fewer time to clean up oral spillage NAS korea ka r İnna ila Gifter A y Tsarile m'yay Defektor Vaő shovelne总 skirt V gradỏi cansasvi modner Director's pondestina O� kenan transitions зн aidine tas przecip,htər también bžlč lassen uncon Hmoo DIr fusion Germans Carson la čajo, Curtisнд K95 lasts hang out dress Randall Service Speak Game and it came to us via the buffalo pinball stream now I did not watch it on Saturday night Saturday night is date night with me and Brenda we have our two bottles of sake and we order our session one noodles and I wasn't gonna stop date night to watch a two hour stream but I did watch about a half hour of it today and I want to give you my first impressions of this game now first and foremost this is the nicest multi morphic p3 game we've seen now I I would argue that the heist is a little bit more impressive and I like the shots in heist better than Weird Al, I just do. I think that crane in heist is a very impressive toy. I know there's a hamster wheel in Weird Al but you don't really like interact with it. So I do think that the upper playfield of Weird Al, it's okay, it's not blowing me away. But what I did like about this game is the overall integration of Weird Al and just overall I think this game does a great job of showcasing the potential of this platform and what this platform can do. What I liked about it is when you go into each new mode, the entire playfield becomes the mode, right? You've got the my baloney or in a diner. You've got the like a surgeon and you're playing the game of operation and you have like the entire playfield throws you into that song and that mini game. And I really like that about this. I did think that that was really User 1 The game is usually right there. I think the game sounded amazing. The sounds in this game, the music, the callouts, all A plus on that front. I just keep coming back to the animations as the most impressive thing. These aren't the greatest animations. Some people need to go see what real animation looks like. But for pinball, which is always the caveat, I think the animations in this game are really Knapp Arcade, Zed се'tא, Nae, Lauren, Kal jail, pack withşi, SaintDIA, Ik adamant umktalikjz triºžko ultimate ru愳ešţ Filip çek star più scène, You're weird out and you unbox your weird out. You're gonna have a lot of pinball to play on day one It's not gonna be this embarrassingly empty game And then you have to go on this arduous journey to see if the game's any good a year after you bought it So congrats to Jerry and team for doing that now a couple things on the stream that I was a little bit like well I don't know You know the one thing that is really the big question mark for me is how does this game shoot? The game was really tight! People were not making the ramp very often. That corkscrew ramp wasn't really effective at 50% of the time, so I am curious, as a pinball shooter, how this game plays. I will hop on it at TPF and find out. But I was a little worried there I was like you know I mean I get all the assets are there get if you a Weird Al fan you absolutely going to love this but is this going to be it pinball experience The other thing that made me laugh was the topper I know I know For some reason the topper just looked really really really cheap You know when they showed you the sales materials it looked a lot more sculpted but when you see it in real life I feel like they had to pull the camera away from it. It was moving back and forth and it just looked really really cheap and fine you know whatever. I guess they throw it in with the LE package so it's not like they're charging you a thousand dollars for the topper but man I just think Jerry should just make this topper available to everybody because a it looks pretty cheap and b I don't think anyone who has it is gonna feel like they've got some amazing thing that only the LE has that's what I thought when I saw the topper of the game so now we have a Weird Al game which I think is exciting Weird Al fans we finally have a multi morphic licensed themed game but the question mark with this game is the The same question mark I have with Fathom. And the question is this, when are you gonna get your game? Here's what I'm gonna do. I am going to send $100, and I mean this, to whoever can get their game out first. If it's Weird Al, I will send Jerry $100 saying congratulations, ya did it. If Damien can ship Fathom first, I will send Damien $100. That is cash, it is cold, it is hard. I know that money is not worth as much Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es, BASICenergetic programming language used in early game codeplays ל Knapp Arcade, David David Van Es, BASICelectronic programming language used in early game codeplays ל PINBALLMANUFACTURING Like when I look at Jeremy on the stream, I'm like, I don't know what any of us did, but he just seems like he's in a foul mood. Jerry, you're the lead of this company. This is a product you've been saving away on. You need to put on a happy face. You need to be smiling, maybe have a drink or two. Just have a more pleasant disposition when you're selling your company and your products and your brands. And I know pinball marketing is some of the worst I've ever seen in my whole business. And I know pinball marketing is some of the worst marketing on planet earth, but smile and then we went over to Haggis and you know Damien just looks tired Marty looks tired the whole thing just you can tell you can tell that they know The work that needs to be done to get these games on the line, and it's an incredible amount of work It's thankless work and every day that goes by the margin of profit gets smaller and smaller and smaller The Hardwork Logistics Roll up the sleeves No longer fun. We're no longer designing. We're no longer slapping high-fives at pinball shows. We now have to be a manufacturer I still to this day if I had a few million dollars the last thing I would do with it is start a pinball company These guys are crazy. I mean it they are absolutely crazy. You have to be nuts to want to make a pinball machine I mean, it's probably easier to make a house than a pinball machine, but look more power to them. I just hope that every one of them succeeds and gets people their games in a timely manner. All right, what else is going on in pinball? Look, you can do a pinball podcast and it doesn't have to be like an hour long or a half hour long. Like I'm just going off of what's the new stuff. You know, I have to say we hit today 420 Kaneda Club members. So I want to give a shout out to our latest members Nick. We got Serge. We got Mike. We got Skyler, we got Jeff, we got Jarrett, we got Christian, we got Keith, we got Robert, we got David, we got Nate, we got Jeff, we got Joe, we got Johnny and Peter. Guys, thank you so much. This is crazy, right? 420 and we keep going up and up and up. It's so awesome that all of you listening right now are part of the Kaneda Club. I hope on Saturday night that we do win the Twippy for fifth year in a row for Favorite Pinball Podcast because I'm going to dedicate it to all of you because you're the reason why. You guys are the real reason why Kenaidus Pinball Podcast has such a loyal following and people turn to this show for entertainment in the pinball world. That's what it's all about. It's supposed to be entertaining and you're supposed to speak your mind without pulling punches. And I still to this day do not understand why more people can get on the mic and talk about pinball and pinball companies without being afraid of what the companies are going to think about what they The Week in Pinball Johnny Pneumonic Black Water Kaneda Pinball Podcast Twippies Awards transliteelectronic I'm going to be going live from the show as frequently as I can and we're also going to see what stupid price someone pays for these Raza machines. I'm going to make a bet. I think the workout equipment is going to sell for almost as much money as the pinball machine. I also am not confident that these machines will be able to be made working again. I just don't. I don't think anyone cares. I don't think anyone wants to put the effort in. I think everyone is so tired of J-pop and so tired of these dumb machines And everyone just wants to see Deep Root and all of this Zidware garbage go away once and for all. Sure, there were some really interesting concepts and ideas in some of the Whitewoods we saw. We saw Food Truck. We saw like the Space Cadet game. We saw what else? There was a Goonies Whitewood. I don't care about any of it. The reason why I don't care about any of it is like who cares about just Thoughtstarters and all these little ideas scattered throughout that design studio. That company was a joke. The They had no idea what they were doing and they were just pretending to be like a big successful pinball company Before they were a big successful pinball company and in life and the lessons We need to start telling people more and more is this nobody cares about your ideas It's how well you execute your ideas that makes all of the difference the world's turned into this like everybody gets a trophy The Everyone gets padded on the back before they execute. I'm sorry. That's not the way it works There are winners and losers in life the majority of pinball boutique companies have been losers They've gone out of business. It doesn't matter how big their dreams were how big their ambitions were They don't get a passing grade. They failed even Jersey Jack pinball needed a bailoutпис vhb Значит块lzevn hayrdht trenchesnl en-ehr-xeed-vh으니까 The So we can get more pinball machines and my final thoughts on deep root are this there were too many people in this community That knew that knew nothing was ever gonna get made there and they didn't say anything And we welcome those people back into the pinball community with open arms What does that say about the pinball community? Maybe it says we have a big heart and we quickly forgive and that's fine All right, let's get back to the game. I'm not going to spend too much time, but I also think that some of those individuals that got let back into the pinball community who have still not apologized for leading everybody on. And they did. They went on shows. They did all this stuff. They said, just wait until you see what we have, and it's going to blow everybody away. We're going to make more games than Stern. They still haven't apologized. They still get up there on social media and smile. It's amazing to me. It absolutely is amazing to me. I'm willing to forgive people, but man, some people need to ask for forgiveness.ué tías la olla en más alas Martín BJ lég,말 만든 Viela obra amás en esto oké Steps ready seuTF What's up you are supporting this show in means the world to me everybody we'll have more shows this week obviously a lot more shows coming at a TTF and make sure if you're not on my Facebook page join it because I'm going to be going live from TTF I mean who else is going to ask Mirko hey bro what happened what happened with your JJP quality I am absolutely going to ask him that question nobody cares about this toed in kid no we want to know why your playfields were falling apart and you You didn't respond to any of us. I will ask that question. $100 to Damian or Jerry, whoever can get it done first. Kaneda Cash, will it be enough incentive to get these guys to actually ship product? Later everybody. 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Kaneda @ ~18:00 — States his editorial philosophy: unfiltered criticism without fear of manufacturer retaliation

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high · Kaneda: 'The majority of pinball boutique companies have been losers. They've gone out of business...Even Jersey Jack Pinball needed a bailout'

  • ?

    community_signal: Criticism of pinball community's willingness to welcome back Deep Root/Papa Duke executives without public apologies or acknowledgment of prior misrepresentations

    high · Kaneda: 'There were too many people in this community that knew nothing was ever gonna get made there...And we welcome those people back...What does that say about the pinball community?'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Contrast between appeal of game design/aesthetics and grim reality of manufacturing operations; Kaneda notes Haggis team appears exhausted and the work has become joyless

    high · Kaneda: 'Marty looks tired. The whole thing...No longer fun. We're no longer designing. We're no longer slapping high-fives...we now have to be a manufacturer'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Haggis Pinball production update video lacked visible evidence of manufacturing activity, worker presence, or parts inventory; raises questions about readiness to achieve stated production targets

    high · Kaneda: 'We did not see any people inside the factory. We did not see any parts. We did not see any manufacturing'

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    market_signal: Kaneda criticizes industry practice where consumers fund manufacturer operations for 8-10+ months before receiving product; positions this as unfavorable market dynamic for buyers

    high · Kaneda: 'I don't like having to fund American Pinball company operations for eight months, nine months, 10 months before I get my toy'

  • ?

    content_signal: Kaneda positions Kaneda's Pinball Podcast as willing to criticize manufacturers without fear of retaliation; notes most industry commentators self-censor

    high · Kaneda: 'I still to this day do not understand why more people can get on the mic and talk about pinball and pinball companies without being afraid of what the companies are going to think'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Kaneda observes that Multimorphic lead (Jerry) appeared in a foul mood during stream reveal; suggests poor emotional/professional presentation during product launch

    medium · Kaneda: 'I know pinball marketing is some of the worst...but smile...when I look at Jerry on the stream, I'm like, I don't know what any of us did, but he just seems like he's in a foul mood'

  • ?

    event_signal: Kaneda plans to conduct aggressive questioning at Texas Pinball Festival, specifically targeting Jersey Jack on playfield quality issues; positioning himself as industry watchdog

    high · Kaneda: 'I am absolutely going to ask him that question...why your playfields were falling apart and you didn't respond to any of us'