SDTM Episode 90: This Or That? (Wonka, Black Knight, Greg’s Mom, Beverly Hills Cop 3, & Pinball)

Straight Down the Middle·video·1h 4m·analyzed·May 6, 2019

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM This Or That segment comparing popular pinball machines through viewer submissions.

Summary

Greg Bone and co-host discuss their 'This Or That' segment, a recurring game where they help viewers choose between two pinball machines for their collections. The episode covers numerous head-to-head comparisons including Black Knight Sword of Rage vs. Monsters Pro, Willy Wonka vs. Wizard of Oz, Pirates of the Caribbean vs. Hobbit, and others. Greg's mom makes a guest appearance discussing her love for Willy Wonka, and the hosts emphasize that many of these decisions come down to personal preference, theme appeal, and value perception rather than objective game quality.

Key Claims

Greg Bone would sell Star Wars and Lethal Weapon 3 to fund a Jurassic Park machine if needed
high confidence · Greg outlines four scenarios for funding a potential Jurassic Park purchase, with scenario 4 involving selling both Star Wars and Lethal Weapon 3
Black Knight Sword of Rage has significantly more shots than Beatlemania
medium confidence · Hosts discuss shot count comparison when evaluating mechanical complexity and value
Drop target banks are a major cost driver in pinball machine pricing
medium confidence · Host explicitly states 'drop target banks kill me with a $12 coral it ain't lexan up or playfield' when explaining Beatlemania's premium pricing
Pirates of the Caribbean is a widebody machine while Willy Wonka is standard body
high confidence · Hosts directly compare the two machines' physical formats during discussion
The Hobbit has longer mode sequences that can feel like 'such a long journey'
medium confidence · Greg describes The Hobbit as lengthy in terms of mode completion, influencing his game selection
Alice Cooper pinball shares similar tight shot gameplay to Houdini
medium confidence · Host compares Alice Cooper's tight shots and difficulty level to Houdini's challenge
Greg's mom's favorite pinball machine is Willy Wonka by Jersey Jack
high confidence · Greg explicitly states his mom plays Willy Wonka regularly and would provide sexual favors for the machine
Star Wars pinball is a 'masterpiece' in code and premium mechanics despite criticism
medium confidence · Host defends Star Wars as a strong game design while acknowledging some players find it difficult

Notable Quotes

“if a Jurassic Park or Jurassic world comes out by some manufacturer which ones leaving... as long as I sell some houses I be the wolf I plan on selling nothing but... I've got like a three so I've got a I've got three scenarios that I've worked out in my head”
Greg Bone@ 4:39 — Demonstrates the real-world trade-off decisions collectors make when acquiring premium machines; shows financial planning involved in hobby
“I'd take [Black Knight Premium/LE] over a Beatles and I'd take it but but again this is my problem just comes down to money not that it's fun not necessarily that black night would be more fun yeah but again it just like I have to look at a game and I have to feel that I'm giving my value”
Greg Bone@ 12:45 — Illustrates the value perception dynamic driving collector purchasing decisions, prioritizing perceived worth over pure gameplay enjoyment
“my mom watches really really Wizard of Oz really really won't good cuz I think it shoots better I think it's gonna I like the way wisest watch shoots pretty good but I like the moat... she hounds you every day for copious amounts of sex”
Greg Bone@ 16:10 — Personal anecdote establishing Willy Wonka's broad appeal across demographics, demonstrating theme-driven interest beyond hardcore players
“Willy Wonka Ellie yeah or Jersey Jack pinball Pirates of the Caribbean Ellie I'm nervous okay so that's a wide body your yes answer that's the problem is that's the only thing that does hinder me from that pirates is I am actually facets... the modes can be a little tough in parts”
Greg Bone@ 17:24 — Reveals accessibility concerns affecting game selection decisions; highlights how mechanical complexity can influence purchase choices
“I'm gonna own them both I'm going to own both but you love Wang but you're gonna go with Wonka you're dragging ass too much it's whenever simple anka oh okay I'll go Wonka just because it puts me over on the theme”

Entities

Greg BonepersonZach MinneypersonGreg's MompersonStraight Down the Middlemedia Dennis Krieselperson SergepersonJohn SamplespersonMatthew GailpersonZane Gentry

Signals

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community_signal: Episode 90 'This Or That' segment demonstrates active community participation with submitted machine comparisons from viewers (Serge, John Samples, Dennis Kriesel, Matthew Gail, Zane Gentry)
high · Multiple community members submit comparison scenarios; hosts encourage more submissions to continue segment
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sentiment_shift: Lord of the Rings maintains elevated status as perennial top-tier game despite lack of recent releases; lasting impact on collector hierarchy
high · Greg rates it #1 all-time game; immediately selects it over modern competitors (Hobbit, Iron Maiden); demonstrates enduring appeal across collector base
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competitive_signal: Black Knight Sword of Rage positioning as value alternative to premium machines by offering more shots and upper playfield without premium pricing
medium · Hosts compare Black Knight favorably on mechanics and playfield features against more expensive competitors; Greg prefers Black Knight for 'staying power' and speed despite liking Beatlemania
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design_philosophy: American Pinball games (Oktoberfest, Houdini) employ 'Joe Ball' chaotic design philosophy versus traditional layouts; polarizing appeal across player skill levels
medium · Hosts describe Oktoberfest as 'quintessential Joe Ball, all over the place' versus Houdini's traditional layout; note Oktoberfest better for casual players while Houdini appeals to skilled players
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market_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball games maintain strong collector appeal despite accessibility concerns; theme and integration valued over pure playability

Topics

This Or That comparison segment formatprimaryCollector decision-making and trade-off analysisprimaryTheme appeal vs. gameplay mechanics in game selectionprimaryPinball machine pricing and value perceptionsecondaryJersey Jack Pinball vs. Stern Pinball comparisonsecondaryGame accessibility and difficulty levelssecondaryLong-term game appeal and replay valuementionedWidebody vs. standard body machine formatsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.8)— Greg and co-host express genuine enthusiasm for all machines discussed, with constructive criticism focused on personal preferences rather than manufacturing quality issues. Guest appearance by Greg's mom adds warmth and humor. Community submissions celebrated. No significant negativity or controversy.

Transcript

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right no you're [ __ ] go yes it wrong I say a lot of things wrong that cannot get on I got a broad vocabulary a conundrum a kalindra kalindra make a call if I get in trouble all the time exactly I are very broad vocabulary but it's not a precise vocabulary I hate when people say Pacific instead of specific yeah I have a word that I cannot say what's that I get corrected on every time and I cannot get it right what's the nuisance no you can't say it's not newest since nuisance nuisance nuisance new sense yeah new sense that's why I decide like new sense I do sense like you're try this it's not nuisance it's Greg Greg it's not new sense it's Greg that's right yeah I made all sendin in the world to me go ahead your synonym can you say that sending in seven them sending the minimum person what what what is what is this or that Jesus a bear this or that is a conundrum conundrum that right okay I don't know a pinball Calandra m-- yes okay so damn these educated season three I always think of you degree and you being dr.mini if it is always be some person who just always gets to me so on the bench explain this or that is a segment a little game we like to play whenever you have tough pinball decisions to make in your collection that is do you buy this pin or do you buy that pin do you trade this pin off before that pin do you have these pins or do you have three of these pins or one of that pin different situations and difference in differences real-life scenarios we've tackled real-life scenarios thanks problems that you might have arise but you know what this game really does you how much you are hitting on all cylinders open I got a line opposed happy with oh so nothing is that that it all stays this honestly until she hasn't okay so yes and what is it I mean I let's kick it off let's kick it off Greg bone right now has he's got lost world by Sega yeah he's got Lethal Weapon 3 by daddy he's got Deadpool by stern pin boy he has guardians of the galaxy probed by stern pinball he's got Star Wars by stern pinball big old stern fan here what uh this or that Greg yeah if a Jurassic Park or Jurassic world comes out by some manufacturer which ones leaving okay so this is my listen as long as I sell some houses I be the wolf I plan on selling nothing but oh so you're just gonna add yeah so I've got like a three so I've got a I've got three scenarios that I've worked out in my head oh people can't wait if I sell some houses I want to buy it straight out but I'm going my house is your job is to sell houses why wouldn't you sell houses because sometimes you I'm just starting out and it can be dry it can be dry it's tough it's a tough it's tough it's tough let's dry out there it's dry out there what they used to save high school and they can fund we'd destroy about we nice guilty yeah so I I was drug free I listen to the deer the officers I respected those gentlemen but so like scenario number one is obviously to buy it right out as I want to premium probably most likely scenario number two solely the weapon three then add the cash to it hmm scenario number what am i that was number two scenario number three no your own beer number three scenario number sell Star Wars to fund it scenario number four except for sales if I'm flat-ass broke Star Wars and lethal weapon oh oh but I am I'm I did this not gonna happen on that one most likely Star Wars would go in its place okay this is that folks okay nicely done there great thank you let's get into it and we've got some new releases that we already started people are gonna want to know well yeah but I didn't know L don't want people are gonna want to know the differences between some of these new releases yeah so let me pose this one to you Greg in you at home yeah you I want you guys to play along and choose this or that let us know keep it to yourselves played in the car it doesn't matter a lot of people like playing in the car for our new viewers did you play with it in the car kids I wanna see walking down this camera hopefully get ten windows that Greg black black black night sort of rage Pro or monsters Pro two of the most recent oh wait a minute okay can you tell me what just because you think you would like that layout the song the theme the yeah I like the music alone I was like fifteen a little more ok monster shoots really well monster shoots fantastic but I kind of like the code a little bit more with a slightly better man okay black night okay irises newer sound the sounds which ones yeah sounds but again like I'm just not a monsters fan no I think it's more theme even though Black Knight Black Knight is a theme unto itself they add Eliza they had so it's more a lot of comes to theme - hmm Black Knight that's tough one because monsters shoots better mustard esters good shoots very well Orton did a fantastic job the art works better on monsters yes very much so I love the sound of monsters yeah I don't know I like the animation monsters you gotta be fair that was the second one you already let once let me I gotta be conscientious with that being said I'm gonna go black night oh I'm gonna go black now on this just because it's very challenging and I like that attitude I like it being a mode based game that's what kind of fell short for me for monsters if we're comparing ivory both wonderful games nothing too white do anything wrong with the code really with monsters it's just like you said nothing like I found that I am more of a mode person if you're gonna pick it for your collection for your family collection monsters all the way oh definitely but for me is the diehard collector I prefer playing getting through and we typically tend to like a little we like Chester and tougher games Walking Dead monsters is no slouch no muss with no ball save that's no slap well it's just it's actually pretty quick okay here we go what would you guys pick mm-hmm Black Knight sort of rage lighten it all over the place this is the new one sort of rich premium get the upper play filled the loop lock shot oh I know this plus $500 I'm gonna throw money on your bullying brand new Black Knight premium and we give you five hundred bucks or beetles Gold Edition Oh Greg time with these Black Knight okay beetles is great don't get me wrong well then why you picking Black Knight well because I think Black Knights gonna have like that money it's coming with it that's a lot of beer it has a little more I won't say staying power but I like that speed a little more than I do beat those beetles this fantastic I think that game honestly took a lot of people by surprise but I just can't pay that price - I still don't like the price point of beetles hmm so I'm Black Knight whoa let's go here why don't you like the price that one if it is only a $500 difference what are you really because yeah what do you really feel like you're missing out on I put beetles in a solid $5,000 game the license was expense I know I thought I know where the price comes from don't get me wrong but I'm just saying no where does it come from I would say the licensing do you guys think he's right maybe that's part of it this pride part Ivan a part of it could be just okay then other things mechanics-wise how many more coils does Black Knight have than beetles how beetles probably have more than target right are you gonna get your price yeah in the bill oh [ __ ] drop target banks kill me with a $12 coral it ain't lexan up or playfield oh it ain't the lek saying up the playfield it's the drop target banks that jack up the price of a pinball machine telling you that right now no it plays up their horror stern pinball right now that are like plays a part main like now it was license and now there's a collectible got a selling point they can jacket it wasn't even a pearl Premium le it was a goal yeah plan and it's a super stellar game dude and everybody loves to plays it I just person in this person or both great games I like them both I love the look of beetles actually like the looks of beetles better okay the sound of Beals is fantastic if I was ballin in the money it wasn't there's so much of a concern I'd go beetles over see that's not making much sense okay okay because I think I like beetles I like beetles more because of the art I like the theme of beetles a little more honestly but what I'm bang for my buck I feel like I'm mm I'm gonna be a little happier with with Black Knight does this sort of make sense I think so but if money was not much of a concern beetles I think beautiful I think knowing might want it you would be happier with Black Knight Prince oh oh yeah but knowing me there never know what you're happy with I like them both I like that upper play filled on black night but beetles maybe one of the greatest pinball machines of all time I'm dead serious no like I I know where you're saying cuz I've heard I had a I had a show model or a show special mm-hmm and I didn't want to advertise it cuz I liked having it yes that's that's where I was at on that yeah it's a spectacular it is pricey you told me that it's right like I don't really want to take this show and so it's pricey but if it's that much fun no fun without now here's here's a bolder statement you can give me black night premium you can give me black night le yeah or a Beatles and I'd take it but but again this is my problem just comes down to money not that it's fun not necessarily that black night would be more fun yeah but again it just like I have to look at a game and I have to feel that I'm giving my value okay does it make sense to you like it does but when you break down the mechanics of the game yes I know that it's it's a mental it's almost like people get stuck on levels like ooh there's a rant there's enough no I'm not stuck on that I mean there's a lower play field there's a bottom level I'm just literally saying aesthetically you know how it is in a brain like you you've you and you know what it's a little be fair Black Knight has a hell of a lot more shots yeah that's what I'm saying it just do you know yeah okay I don't think there's an argument there I think you guys are probably split on that as well I don't think they knew the play Beatles are gonna be a little split but I think that's Rebecca so definitely give me big I love that Beatles man all right last black 90 black nice sort of rage or black night and black night mm a little twofer or a what black night sort of rage Pro or black night and black night mm why would you not pick two games okay so you're going the - for all your time with the original Black Knight the original blouse with your cousins or the waggly had two originals over there over the pro over the yeah okay you're not definitely not nope I get tired of playing Black Knight I get tired of playing like 9 mm and then I turn it on play for the music is so awesome I haven't got time to black and I Pro yet you know you may have you may be today I don't even need the upper play field I'm always quantity quality quantity over quality I think we know what you bar but you might be on something with that well I think I am and that's without the upper play field sacrilegious no upper play field on a black night mm-hmm not be mad at that I think I heard a couple people screaming there oh definitely is it because there's a lot of black night oh yeah you've got the power I am the man of the people like night let's go Wonka highlight something different let's go Wonka I'd like to go walk I'd only get really crazy [ __ ] I want to get real-world will get that merit Jersey Jack pin balls Willy Wonka who else is good Ellie or Wizard of Oz Ellie Willy Wonka Wow holy moly they heard you last week on this month and pinball yeah and you were saying it didn't over Wizard of Oz was so full I do what else did I say the shots are there for Wonka and it feels good this is my problem as wise as gorgeous I would love to walk down here every day and see it was it's like my mom's favorite machine she hounds you every day for for all she's like I'll have copious amounts of sex with you for that games act she actually your mom has offered his proposition battleford sexual favors nation for so congratulations jjp on that achievement is you've literally made [ __ ] under whatever you wonder what I would get for the yellow brick road edition oh so no just I don't know what we got to bleep out on all that but it don't matter because the truth my mom watches really no telly or Wizard of Oz really really won't good cuz I think it shoots better I think it's gonna I like the way wisest watch shoots pretty good but I like the moat I like uh I don't know I like won't go shoot it feels a little better okay what thing I know where your Athena lizard was really yeah theme-wise it Wizard of Oz all day you're very scarecrow ish hey if you were one of them I think we've talked about this before you said I'd be Dorothy but I think you're kind of the secure crow I think you'd want to be the line but that think you're more scarecrow issues lanky kind of hit hard brains give me the Wonka it's a special game I cannot wait to own it myself Wizard of Oz another terrific game one of the greatest to a lot of people but it's more my style issue terrine theme yeah you know how much I love that film I actually love Balcer games how about this that you want you want me to kick you in the nuts here Willy Wonka Ellie yeah or Jersey Jack pimples Pirates of the Caribbean Ellie I'm nervous okay so that's a wide body your yes answer that's the problem is that's the only thing that does hinder me from that pirates is I am actually facets know I'm the like of essence has never bothered me with that game at all the modes can be a little I'll tell you what the modes are a little tough in parts this is this is the only hang up that I have with beautiful powder coat on Ellie with Keith and Eric okay and and you got bones to pick yeah I'm going on your little business people little Trump finger fingers so mean some cruel as big as your hand chose your hand look how big mine is I feel like the largest hand ever this Trump but I got more hair than you so we're good bald bangs a hairy palms from ah do you trip me up we sing on track so what's the deal with the kefir in with Eric is I think that that third flipper shot is tough now I'm an owned it I've played a lot of it but I haven't owned it like that yeah Orbitz and a lot of your modes require that shots a juicy shot it feels good I can't hit it very well really yeah I know I'm a hard time I think it's just because you don't played old yes I think if I owned it super but but coming from my cz way like a mode part of shoot of mode pops up yeah and that's there I'm like dreading it but you're like a sister it's just one of those that of base multiple days multiple whatever we're in that's called the rig so you're gonna take pirates yeah just up themed Aiona pirates honestly this sounds ridiculous but pirates theme Trump's well they won't good for me that's just stupid that's a lot of it that's and I like a little time and it shoots really well actually that kind of pissed me off just hearing you say that kind of made me mad that's so ridiculous and ludicrous um that one's tough for me people have been asking they've been calling me and saying I really want to pirates but I want to walk as well what should I do Yeah right and I tell them that you can't compare or they say which ones better pirates I don't know if you can say that there's I should have better they're apples and oranges yeah a wide-body one standard body yeah one is easier to shoot once more brutal pirates as a brutal gang hearts whisper it really is a brutal Ganon why I think I kinda like it a little more so apples and oranges there they're two totally different pens can i push because I'm gonna own them both I'm going to own them yeah but you love Wang but you're gonna go with Wonka you're dragging ass too much it's whenever simple anka oh okay I'll go Wonka just because it puts me over on the theme yeah the theme puts me over I get yeah and the assets theme assets but see assets have just never bothered me with pirates I don't know why I like I don't it didn't bother me but I would just rather have so good as a fun pirates game I like that now if one can didn't have assets that would be stowed would make me so mad because it's a dream thing then I'd probably go Pyrus parachutes so smooth issue so smooth so fun to shoot irises I was playing it last night and I was telling I was texting a couple guys I was like this game is special it is I'm so sad that people didn't get to see that yeah because it's not out there a lot this game is special I'll go longer though I'm gonna go walk I'm do that alright the next one was submitted by Serge drink I do remember Serge it was like it was really green yeah it was bad pee green I like super sugar but do you better than that maybe better than that do you remember lethal weapon so the name says that's right you remember Billy Rose would be I remember you'd be remember of course maybe that was the one with the third one I loved the third yeah that was my in the first wheel action you guys haven't seen Beverly Hills underworld 3 wonder what was the dance what he making them okey doke a shuffle okay don't yell and don't get don't get don't yell King he's like that yes was his name it was not Balki Balki Nokia Balki bump my pot a moose or something and then Larry Larry something I can't remember I look so bored to show be really okay surge sorry search for thirds thanks it's probably the only time he's got surge said Willy Wonka by JJ P or ac/dc premium plus some cash well that's tricky it is a little tricky one of Stearns greatest games plus money coordinating the Sun over a longer than not that most people haven't played we've played I honestly don't like the premium well that's not gonna do as I say why I'm back and forth I like this loaded libro I like the speed of the pro but show on the premium huh that's a tough drop targets on the premium you have to have those yeah I like to bring better place so much slower but then at the same time it's a little easier so you can advance a little more with a swinging bell it's better on the premium a cbc with it not having modes per se being them like a mode base are you about to pick wonka over AC they got a little I got a little old you know Mike cities I see me literally you know this dreams is my favorite band it's dream thing yes it's my favorite band and I love the music didn't never obviously never got old you're about to do but I did not like I think I I'd like to shoot it at first and I was blown away by the game but then it got very load to you've got very old so deep it is the bit of strategy so my strategy there's a lot of strategy act pot so much stacking and multi Bowl somewhere is encore there is but it Wonka got a little rough for Wonka I am I haven't put enough on Wonka yet to say I'd go with walk over it you got a pick one though but I'd go with wall surge wants to know I so finish our okay I'll go Wonka - you guys know how to feel about ac/dc premium pro nights just not my favorite Stern pin baby either alright let's go with oh it sucks because everybody likes it and I thought well I'm this game's gonna blow me away in a Dennis kriesel from the eclectic gamers podcast if frickin Dennis he loathes me and loves me at the same time I don't know what to think about Dennis he's my Luke let's talk to her come on buck is that your dad it's Greg's mom hey girl what's up I wish I was doing I was just messin I wouldn't expect anyone I'm gonna be your stepfather or something boy your mom is such a good sport Wow Wow thank you Miss bone okay we're weaving at okay des kriesel oh all right so this creature from the collector gamers podcast thought he was going to throw a fast one here cuz he's a mean son of a [ __ ] he said line came on the bus he's so mean to me he said Oh God what'd she say he he I talked and he's scared okay alright I'm not scared I'm partly aroused but how die and he said Jersey the Jersey Jack you trying to seduce me Jack alright he knows how much I love Hobbit he hates Hobbit he said how about this then you son of a [ __ ] you didn't say that he said how about Hobbit or Pirates of the Caribbean oh that's hard told me these were gonna be hard that one's tough I love both those games man I like the Hobbit - but it's so long what's integrated better hmm hobbits integrated better it has more assets yeah there's more assets but again we love it you go back to the Hobbit The Hobbit nicely pirates Caribbean as well yes some more satisfying modes other Hobbit Hobbit but again The Hobbit is such a long journey like you said you plan done with it Irish you can keep walking up to the Hobbit down that's what would be the stickler for me that's why that I personally would do you like better Hobbit Hobbit definitely have it Hobbit hobbits no slouch oh you guys know that by now I hate that that reference nobody's gonna know nobody I'm actually surprised you know that reference how are you surprised though I don't know Luke and you got healthy gums do you do colonics I'm gonna go give me pirates it's a better game yeah arts is the better game so - okay listen let's go with American bimbo here Oktoberfest er Houdini Houdini you said Houdini without doubt yeah quick on well this is why like I I actually I like Houdini is a beautiful which one shoots better what are you guys gonna pick I don't know Dini I like like obviously Houdini's a little bit more of a traditional type a layout yes hmm in a sense in a sense more so than Oktoberfest more so than Oktoberfest I think Oktoberfest is quintessential Joe Balcer but all over the place that's Joe Bolt that's what I'm saying okay what's got more toys they're both loaded whoo Oktoberfest get to physical ball locks not gonna catapult on Houdini and Magnussen catapult never catapult never blew me away it's cool but it never blew me away blew me away you got your third flipper shot oh it looks better see people hate October I like the look do you like this I do but Houdini is just beautiful it's very classic which one's not fun to play Oktoberfest which game can you play with one hand Oktoberfest mmm but Houdini is mild winter but which game utilizes a physical knocker in modes while you're shooting Oktoberfest yeah that's her pistol which one's got boobs I'll both of both which one has a monkey only one only well yeah but I would go with Houdini because I I like the theme better hmm yes the shots are tighter it's a little tougher to shoot but we know that we can shoot that game so I enjoy the hell out of it I think that the theme may have been integrated a little more not that they did anything bad with Oktoberfest and integrating that but this feels a little better with the you know your magic magnets and say Oh everything it's so historically like crazy brutal and accurate but it is brutal and I love brutality so I'm academia and the visuals are the visuals all your animations are more cohesive like those yes they're gonna go I'm gonna go Houdini as well absolutely now what I would say is if I was buying one today I'd buy Oktoberfest wouldn't even be closed oh we have we play Helena who do you have that a food pantry oh yeah I will face off yeah episode and that being said Houdini is not for everybody so Oktoberfest I think for the masses is a better fit yeah I absolutely agree so it done would you pick your sniffles John sample John samples a big fan he always submits this that's and that's what we need from you guys if you want this segment to continue going these episodes that keep going submit your this or that still are a little lull because of twigs and everything we actually had tons of submissions all we need some more of them we need some more john sample he submitted a couple here let's go with one of them he said oktoberfest or Alice Cooper see John's axe suck what you actually gave me one that was actually really tough mm-hmm-hmm do you want to start this one I'll start it you start this one mm-hmm neither theme do anything for me no really a lot better than I like rock and roll I mean generally speaking sure then they both equally do something for me you don't look I took that I don't like rock and roll on beers fine boy oh boy I like how loaded Oktoberfest is it's just a fun shooting pan and it's really deep it is I can say the same for no Alice Cooper's tougher Alice Cooper's tougher I like the looks of Alice Cooper better mmm I like the challenge of Alice Cooper better they both have great life shows codes pretty cool on both of them i'ma go Alice Cooper okay I'm going Alice Cooper yep so same buy that Alice Cooper has phenomenal artwork some of the best however as phenomenal animations some of the bessel last year Alice Cooper has a fantastic light show some of the best of last year Alice Cooper's get great sculpts okay Oktoberfest has good sculpt like they're the barrel and everything is really neat the roller coasters anymore yes the bar with with Auto is fantastic we're going off Cobre fest is obviously the easier shooter it is it's yes very much more player friendly to me when you get into Alice Cooper Alice Cooper's a lot like Houdini mm-hmm do you feel yeah it's very much so actually okay I feel very similar like I feel those games played very similar because of the tight shots Oktoberfest code is a bit deeper come on what are you Alice Cooper that's all so that's it but it's like what Trump's that is the beauty it not that I'm surprised about the music and I just I I generally like the horror theme yeah mixed with I think Alice Cooper a little more yeah I do too but that's your own an Oktoberfest like you will own an October oddly I oddly like that game you will own one I know you like alright let's go to Matthew well speaking of Oktoberfest Matthew Gail's lights got girls girls liked uh yeah just like why did you automatically go German gel selector so flock bomb no it's definitely German just [ __ ] up maybe just like the best it's like it's light stuff des cités that just lights gonna be the Rustom Jill flechas light stuff did I go right Matt said Munster's Pro or Star Wars Pro freak Star Wars bro why cohhd cohhd cohhd layout purely code I can't lay code I purely code I like the weight shoots it's Star Wars a lot smoother shooter pain monsters monsters musters is butter but it's fast it's a fast butter it's a slick butter it's slick butter okay this is a sports car butter frothy butter I don't know I don't either it's a little it's a little bit it's like it's a little floaty here what do you get floaters up in I'm gonna go you know that because I still think I I think you don't know how I feel about Star Wars prize Star Wars is a freakin masterpiece in code and premiu mentally it is no you're missing that best shots and pimples the same codes the same that is the white that is a true masterpiece they're both white games yeah but the white did Star Wars is fantastic I still don't understand what people miss I say it every time I pick I pick Dwight pick Star Wars Pro yeah and I like the theme better Star Wars the star lady too and I think those weird pins like we were talking about it's not for people through tough I don't think it's that tough who's for tough I think it's that tough I think it's a player's game Zane Gentry he's stuck here he said I need help guys Lord Henry injury Zane Gentry why do you no mercy no I was thinking for Jay Gentry that always what's the truth this is Zane Gentry Lord of the Rings or Hobbit or Iron Maiden premium so we are we're all we're all everywhere on this one again Lord of the Rings or Hobbit or Iron Maiden premium I know where I'm at on that okay go tell the people Lord of the Rings one of the greatest games ever made it is it's epic I think I rated it the number one game of all time so by default I think I'll go Lord of the Rings yeah second Iron Maiden Iron Maiden is grown on me I like shooting thank you I love The Hobbit I think Hobbit is a bad looking machine King a wrong unloved Hobbit yeah what do you have in your collection and get tops it 100% why not that but honestly there's not a lot that plays like Iron Maiden I'll go Lord of the Rings but second I've got to give it to Hobbit I'm not saying it's a better game than Iron Maiden I'm just saying it is special there's something about that pin that is engaging you're not gonna get that from other things if you want a great shooter you can get other things besides iron made furniture but if you want true integration true mode separation differentiation true music masterpiece a beauty visually the Tom don't even all that aside like I'm super happy with my collection I have a very varied collection but I honestly think that if I had to pick between Hobbit and Iron Maiden right now I think that I would honestly go back to Iron Maiden woo when I had Hokies affair I loved I loved playing I fell in love with it I was not that wild about it and then something really grabbed me I what grabs me got a game is a game I can shoot a game I'm good at your mind almost grab me but I think that that's a factor that we never think that we never put into stuff what is it gold grab factors enjoy Billy it's sort of enjoy building because it's gonna play off but I think that that's something that players don't talk about like you talk about theme you talk about code television but no no I'm talking about whether you you're good at that game whether you can shoot that whether you can shoot that game with you like just like Deadpool how do you measure that you can't measure it it's so individual of what you're gonna like why I thought it is not a good style this not a good style - I'm really good at something to be a little fast now I'm not even saying stirs I'm saying a faster pin versus something that's a little flow - you're like Starwood I will go to even say that though like for some reason for me there's a field difference I play there I play stern's better than I play JJ peas yeah I'm just not very good at doing yes I don't know what but take Houdini like Houdini you know you have to put a few games on Houdini to get that feeling that you did it and it's it feels good I could uh I could go up to Houdini right now blow but what I'm saying though is take something like Ghostbusters you guess smack around a little bit some people just don't do that there's not a good player on that game we like that game because we can play that you're gonna like black night yeah you smack around yes and then there are some games it's just I need to be a little more dialed in my trajectories also because some people shoot more and I don't think if you put enough emphasis on that about that that's why they like a game is because they're good at it it's like math or English I love math well you love math you're good at it yeah but what are you good at English too well you see that guy try to correct me on our promo video I put him back yeah I did he put ice he he made fun of me because I put in s DT and introduction and he tried to call me and he said and huh and not only did he do that I love you out there but he did it twice he did on pin side and on our YouTube thread and I'm here to tell you because I got a little pulpit here I get to stand up and s DT and production is correct just because that is the epitome of a troll when you go to two different you go grammatical and you try to hit him on whatever media and I was correct I was the right one there and a couple of people on pins I was like yeah making fun of me and stuff and I was like you guys are just idiots I'm sorry I don't know um about I just had to watch from afar yeah little just because there's an S doesn't mean it's automatically an A in front of it rather than an an it is the the phoning of the pronunciation the phone phonemes things a phoneme or a morpheme one of the two it's the sound of it so an S starts with F so you go and act like a vowel rather than the constant s right it fired me up there you fired me up and SDTM production is correct actually is how you pronounce it okay dammit Nadine D s Nadine a resident troll it was gets probably fired up some collateral yes maybe he's a troll you know my favorite role is who's your favorite troll none of them I don't like any trolls you don't have a favorite troll our troll our SDTM troll I have a favorite troll who day doesn't bother me I know that who day secretly loves us he says the meanest things he does but he's he real cuz he comments on everything he's there for every kinda like Dennis kriesel like there's no reason for me to like him he's really mean to me Ennis yeah I never had know how to judge Dennis I talk to him a lot we were in Texas a quite a bit but I never I never gauged he's soulless he is this we has no soul it's just like like are you smirking because you agree with me are you smoking because I think when I adult work he sits in a room and just stares at a wall until time you know he reminds me of is the cover of Clockwork Orange oh wow that is Dennis Cree is it not Dennis kriezel kriesel work orange yes Diez Nadine says Game of Thrones Pro or Star Trek Pro what is it Game of Thrones Pro or Star Trek Pro he said this is one he's really trying to figure out for himself Game of Thrones Pro Steve Ritchie or Star Trek Pro Steve Ritchie you know that's obviously a little bit tough I am a successful super you go with I always start everything off and I feel like I talk too much I think that I'm gonna get tired of Star Trek before I'll get tired of Game of Thrones I agree but Star Trek is a classic for a reason and it's one of the greatest shooters of all time agrees and I like their poor play field on Game of Thrones called me crazy so I'm gonna go start trek pro have a word pros yeah Game of Thrones bro so you're saying yeah okay now if there's a pre overspray I'll agree with you like I think that that that Game of Thrones has more to offer because it's deeper I think Star Trek is integrated quite a lot better than what that is and there is some depth to it once you go but it's also a little bit easier shooter it's not as complicated to learn and know and the warp ramp is just fantastic so in this butter to both of them shoot like butter honestly yeah especially they throw yeah the pros really smooth so my pick would be start your work right now is Roland oh yeah but Star Trek's always been one of my favorites Brian Rieger it's a pre like Rieger very similar to the one we did was Ames injuries that Lord of the Rings or dialed in or Pirates of the Caribbean by Georgia Jack Lord of the Rings dialed in Pirates of the Caribbean good Lord of the Rings yeah that I'm gonna give that one the toughest pic of the day because of his no absolutely these are three of my favorite pins he knew he knew that he was doing here Lord of the Rings I've proclaimed as being the greatest pinball machine ever made yeah dialed in one of the greatest pinball machines ever made renew then and pirates Oh themed knocks out doubt in for me eliminate okay those two you can agree with but I think the argument between dialed in and Pirates of the Caribbean is a damn tough one too it is tough but again themed knocks it out okay themes really important to you that yeah alright rooms I still like Lord of the Rings I got a nerd body I got like Oh Lord the rooms even though I would say that Pirates of the Caribbean is four times as smooth and fun shooter miss Lawrence oh it's a lot more fun it's a lot more fun but again you get you get caught up with Lord of the Rings of that epic journey mm-hmm everything is so different the callouts Gimli the uncle adds and Lord of the Rings you can get old are quicker than pirates it will it will parts has definitely got more of a lasting a fella see best parts of the hell of lot more the Rings just by default it is it is epic greatness angry Brian reader said fine he said fine you son of a [ __ ] how about this monsters Pro Plus 4k cash oh don't throw money at musters Pro Plus 4k cash or your Pirates of the Caribbean how about that pirates Wow I love tires really speaks to you it does from uncle hired some day one Joe Nielsen says a game hold on that is a game that I'm super sad I have to voice my opinion on this to over in this super sad that it that got taken off the line because I think that it did not it was it was like one of those moves like do you remember when Shrek came out this sounds really weird but when shraddha remain out I remember this no one thought a thing about that movie no and it was a meteors in our thing okay go ahead no yeah it is that's weird you're stacking over here okay when that movie came out no one really thought much of it they didn't understand it yeah they didn't care and by word-of-mouth it grew slowly in a became which point an epic film for point Z this this game did not have that time to build before they built that everyone who put their hands on everyone who owned it when it got to a location or someone else people loved it and it was too late late it was still bid on me calls I get four parts that's what I'm saying it was it was it was a slow bird burst you think people are now tracked to because his rare no I think if they did another run it would sell great yes really yes I think the next I don't know I think it was cut too short I think it's a great game and I think that it was just cut too sure it's not like a stern where all that hype was well it was but it took forever to come out the hype was there but I think that that hype slowly built back up to where they would have sold a lot of those games this is a good game Joe Nielsen says Ghostbusters Pro or monsters Pro Ghostbusters we love ghostbusters good not for everybody it's like a Ghostbusters is not for it's gonna be a better pick for most ps4 most people but not for again another one white code scenario Joe if you're famous no Ghostbusters got a soft spot people okay but I have to ask you because we have not we may have brushed on this conversation all the finish the Ghostbuster code people do you think it's that incomplete that it messes with the game no me neither no it doesn't mean either I want a better wizard mode at least but most people are not even gonna get there I've got there once yes yes and we battled forever swell we hate that game now we sold it is because we played it so much in that competing is each other but I don't I don't score balancing well mainly because I let you take that away yeah stealing your blow it off still it's a I don't understand it it's a great game III mean flippers need to be normal they need to come in I do too cuz you should just need banging it around this is your plan I need my agreed that I agree okay Tobias if you K you couple of you got that reference a couple of you got that he missed it a couple of you got that reference Tobias MacLean asked monster bash for medieval madness oh the classic city of Atlantis yeah I'm with medieval madness John sample comes back and he says this is a Greg special Lethal Weapon 3 or Stargate chromic brass at black nickel a kingly chromic powder coated the possibilities are endless at pinball played a comp your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comic in ball comm check out pin graphics for the latest and greatest in pinball enhancements power blades blade skins pin blades and even more visit ping graphics calm now to see what's available for your pinball machine sounds insane what that you're gonna answer that may be the toughest one of these no it's not I have to go Stargate trying to find I was gonna see if I get a coin just just rude Stargate maybe Stargate leave the weapons a little more fun a little more quirky punch Stargate I'll go Stargate just cuz I've not owned it hugger Stargate sorry John I didn't have much enthusiasm there crusty kriesel comes back oh there's kriesel nice let's see if I can do a Dennis Priestley was like his name - Clark Walker clockwork I don't know I'm early seen it he says Bram Stoker's Dracula Plus Jurassic Park + firepower plus $500 or your washer mom warned your willy wonka standard edition because he knows I love the Wonka so he's like are you really gonna take a wall without a wonkavator or Dracula Jurassic Park firepower and $500 it's a viable option here it is not which one you go I don't know because I'm going Wonka and you can throw in two more pins now go on it's Dracula Dracula awesome Jurassic park's awesome what's the best game out of all of them drag Wonka is a better game you know that three was less being out of all of them Jurassic Park Jurassic Park for me then BSD I do love that film yeah yeah I'm gonna walk up that's stupid Dennis watch me powdercoat Wonka stop in there insane Hortense insanity of woman begins some girl Nicholas Smith came Cromwell said let's kick it old school to the mod let's go mods enough for games this today he said how about a colored MD and pin stadium lights hmm or invisi glass and pin sound that's stupid - obviously color dmdm I think a lot of these people right there Vincent be hard for them really color DMD a.m. pin stadiums or invisi glass and pin sound pin sound makes a really good difference but that's the most expensive edible color DMV you're gonna get I think the most out of I mean some of you can't blast your game like crazy no need for invisi class if you have Penn savings for them all eludes you company man yeah no no it's not that it's just I truly believed her yeah for me it's color DMV and pin Stadium absolutely ok let's close it out pin sound has its place let's close out with a couple funnels this or that Greg and audience that ham sandwich or turkey sandwich turkey a turkey everyday wait a minute yep you didn't give him a second thought no cuz I eat turkey every day I know where I'm at I eat turkey chefing had one soda I'm convinced that people only generally because they need me but feel bad about themselves feel like fatties if they eat ham oh that's the O do you see I feel this are you really that Torrez a more viable I [ __ ] you rock forest ham I'll eat up for Sam sometimes I will mix them both you're a closeted ham eater and don't lie but I need some ham but it's 99% of the time is Turkey yeah on the country private slate Turkey get that turkey [ __ ] out of here know what I mean turkey is when my wife packs it because she's like it's nothing really here all your cholesterol or your high blood pressure I can't imagine why you'd have that definitely ham sandwich me now you takes ham sandwich hmm did a little met Miracle Whip a little thin layer not too much Miracle Whip thin layer a nice piece of cheese on wheat bread mmm ice and turkey and mustard oh gosh now with the mustard you know okay what about this starbursts which color starburst this or that peach - Orange that's interesting yeah I like thorny I like to reject yellows anybody a reject yellow kind of fellow out there online I'm gonna go pink because it is objectively yes a good this is that what I don't know I told you it did you not write it now we'll get to that well how many we gonna do well if your skills in starburst vodka servers I think it is too much yes I mean look how's that even possible that's some like biological yeah like anomaly that it does like it's like a chemical reaction mix if I get down Milk Duds milk does my eat it feels like my mouth's numb oh my god I'm gonna go starboard have you ever drank a coke in a skittle all the worst thing is dissolving in your face oh okay somebody's not done that in there like he goes okay I feel like the dirty person in the world it did like a horrible this is the music choice by Greg bone musical selection based on decades 1980s music or 1990s music were you at so we've got 1990's is your grungy lotta post-grad turn ative near some tomorrow STP at Joshua Clay Backstreet Boys oh yeah sauna and 80s here here being slow see but you know because you had grunge's you had bands in the end that's the weird thing about the nineties fear yeah I want to cut my verses I want to I want to tip my Michael I froze my tips yeah frosted tips I'm gonna go 80s give me a tease because I love the upbeat 80s there wasn't all upbeat but I like that poison some mr. big Oh to like I was more than hairband okay so you're going 80s as well yeah Motley Crue there's so 80s yeah guns no I'm not going with the 80s I'm just saying I enjoyed that but no I was more nineties when you remove yes Smashing Pumpkins and back streets that era I'm just talking I'm talking about good good nineties like wrong geez Beastie Boys no I hate Beastie Boys I like Beastie Boys obnoxious music was I will now if we were gonna go hip-hop there's no better rap and hip hop than the night because you really have much naive ease yeah it was kind of the what was the eighties I said a hip a hip rapper's delight' rapper's delight' rapper's delight' quick google here oh that's a different that's not 79 forever that's what really made I'm pretty sure from the Sugar Hill Gang I think so man yeah let's play that's it 79 yeah okay top we did we can't monetize oh right Aerosmith in the 80s ac/dc 80s Yeah right Queen Oh long live Queen 80s Iron Maiden yeah Pink Floyd but Pink Floyd Canada sprees a swiss assist ladies Wham see that's what I'm talking about little George Michael wait him love it I love it cover that's gonna cover yeah I love all that you know though there's a lot of pain calicos nineties too wasn't it I mean they started they babies yeah but nineties we're pretty good yeah what do people don't know they've played this or that with us thanks for playing 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tell me that fix easier one I thought it was a good clean break and so I'm about to have with you and that's looking pretty good treat my beer loan make more work on me Greg your mom makes me work every day oh she have you do pull weeds or something well landscaping [ __ ] have you been trimming bushes lately is it in the plate in time you'd be planting some shrubs I'm working two jobs sláinte ribs yeah yeah thanks mulch laying some mulch you like getting it all on your hands oh no I breathing I wear a mask do you promote what's in mulch is there anything in mulch no not good for your lungs I bring this [ __ ] in how do you know it's not good for you long maybe it's like a natural vitamin or something about it natural inhaling especially that died stuff the red who does anybody do red mulch anymore do they Verrilli Oh 1983 cold there was never a time period that was good red mulch so ugly I don't even like the brand we got Brown by accident one year Browns nice it but it dries up and just looks like crap well it's almost just right I recommend a good grade a cedar great a cedar what color is that a brand i mean it's [ __ ] mulch yeah it's a cedar natural wood color well even the brown like colored yeah I mean it's like a it's separate don't you for people rock get rock that's really sad isn't it rocks words am no I guess soft enough well what are you walking in your no I'm saying like aesthetically it's not soft enough to the eye it's not it doesn't look fresh like fresh well after a week that mulch is it where you know we're middle-aged men talking and landscaping tips how do you think it the the real deep cut looking in a yard like when you go by a yard it looks like there's just thick patterns looks so good it'll almost looks a different color dark green yeah that's the way your blade of your grass is laid over really yeah it's the light reflect off the blade of the grass when you run over it and the light of Shannon here your blade falls down your blades you can get a high lift plate too so it basically lifts the grass blade cuts it's sort of like you know on the Remington commercials oh yeah so it lifts it cuts it and then it lays it back down and then so then when the sunlight hits it it's reflecting off of that blade of grass vice-versa it's now creating a shadow coming from the other way until the sunlight hitting it you don't see the legend on purpose though it looks great yeah yeah because it looks good so you end up doing it purposefully and there's some people weave the basket okay that you're your signature move Greg boney do a grass cutting is honestly not as simple as what people think like there's well there are tricks to it there really are nuts I mean I'm not just talking about simple things like that but like you get her coming to what you do why don't we do a show that's let's get up pinball let's just start another beer but then we use grass talk with Greg Bone hang mini landscape I've done that grass landscaping guys tell you how to edge oh boy why not just do a we do your sideways no that's the country doing no that's what you got to do it I've got an edger you got but I'm talking about like bad edging oh been a bid hidden bids you can flower beds edge I like whenever you see the side of a of grass and it's just straight up it's like a little ledge look good look at it if you get a little dead spot dog take a little [ __ ] right there what are you gonna do that you got a little brown spot how do you fix a brown spot Greg tell the viewers pick the no no no the talk how do you fix a brown spot I'm just working on grass seed in there there's gonna be bear all your then what's not gonna look good take about 14 days who's getting new grass isn't there gonna be it's gonna be fine it will be fine yeah for a while it would take it a little bit to race with sod what about if you have it how do you keep a dog like is that always gonna have bad grass if you got dogs [ __ ] and pissing like I'm right green spots [Music] good ammonia in there you're in no that's not good okay thanks a lot to keep grass alive grass is honest it harder than any planner rice is not natural naturally there is no such thing really as as a grass that we're used to that's what I've always been told well I mean grass naturally doesn't grow like we want today like that yeah yeah it's not normally that thick and it always froze it's tall you like we keep it manicured in short mm-hmm yeah but I mean not that it's unnatural it's just hard it's expensive it's just - thank you - kickers yeah keep along the way that we want to keep it long it's just not it's expensive to get a lawn that away what's your favorite colored starburst pink ones Orange which is like the the stepchild being a real Mike yellows Reds okay Reds a little for