oh yes and once again we're ready for the hardest hitting team duo in pinball screw-o it's don and jingo the jingles the jinganator the danish legend himself and and myself and we're going to talk about some pinball in this episode of we are pinball it is wop how you doing sir yeah man we're we're back already man we just did a show with chris and back again this is so cool this morning I checked out your brand new Don's Pinball Podcast show. I appreciate it. And I listened like four minutes in, and you called me and said, man, I'm ready. I'm pumped up. I'm jacked up. I want to do another show. So here we go. You just left Pinball at the Beach. Tell me about it, buddy. Pinball at the Beach, Pinball in the parking lot, Pinball with the trailers, Pinball with the sand. It was great. It was a cool event. I mean, this is a lot different than an expo or a TPF where it's a lot of vendors, a lot of industry stuff. This is like 200 pinball machines in a tent with everybody from the companies in attendance just wandering around, just interacting, having a great time. Liquid libations were flowing, as were the rumors and news confirmations and things. And then we got Pokemon dropped on us. I was doing cannonballs in the pool. We were going on water slides. It was great, man. It was great. Everybody should make a point to get to this next year if they do it, man. It was awesome. It was awesome. What do you want to know? Ask me anything. Pinball only, right? No arcades. It's pinball only. Just pinball. Just pinball. Nice, man. It's so nice. Like 250 machines. Something crazy. How can you be at the beach? I have so much snow here. I cannot open up my front door. We have been indoors for two days now. You're at the beach, brother. Listen, I'm up in Wisconsin. I'm up in Maine. It's 20 degrees below zero. That's like 40 below sea. So February in Florida, it's warm. It's 50, 70 degrees. It's like 15 to 20 C. Why don't you move to Florida then? I have a list of 100 reasons why not. My biggest reason for moving down here is just so I can go to Epcot in the afternoons, which is one of my favorite things to do. Other than that, the job market is not great. Prices are kind of high for real estate. Taxes are kind of high. Insurance costs are kind of high. Traffic kind of sucks. People drive like they're bipolar, man. They're either like insanely weaving through traffic or going way too slow. It depends on if you're from like a rachis Caribbean population or a tourist that's here. It's like you're battling those two extremes every time you take to the streets. Dude, when I move to America, I want to live in California. California. Is that a bad idea? It's Florida with less humidity, which is good. I love LA so much, man. But I'll tell you what. The best place for me to live is in the Midwest. It's less expensive. You can get a huge house. There's no traffic problems. Life is easy. And then you just go to the airport and you're in L.A. or Florida in three to four hours. Super simple. I can come down here whenever I want, which is all the time. But the event happening in this time of the year is a great break for all of us that are in the snow because we can come down here and wear shorts and flip-flops, you know, like months before we'll be doing that up north. So it's cool. It's cool to come down here. Getting some vitamin D. Absolutely. It's important. Absolutely. It's important, man. So let's talk about this show. Yes. I have watched the streams and your personal pictures sent to me and videos and everything. It's so cool. Pictures of people that has WAP t-shirts on. How cool is that? Oh, that was the best. Don't you just – how do you feel when you just walk around there and all of a sudden, bang, and you see this wet-ass pinball show t-shirt. That was the whole point of doing this show was so that people could legitimately wear a shirt that just says WAP on it walking around the pinball show. It's great. It happened. I love it. I love it. It's so cool. So cool. Thanks to Anthony Marula and Josh Cox, our premium Patreon members, subscribers. We appreciate you guys, sir. Josh Cox is limited edition. Oh, Ellie. He's going to be worth $20,000 just like a Pokemon LE is going to be if you listen to certain people on the internet. Oh, Joshy. Oh, I did something really bad. Oh. So, you know Enzo Ferrari. He has been supporting us from day one. I love me some Enzo. Check out his show, Enzo at Gonzo's Flipperama. We love him. Yeah, yeah. So, he was a high-level supporter, and thank you, Enzo. We love you. He has been on the show and everything. Perfect. and he stopped his support and we love him, no problem there and on our Patreon page he's still there for a month or something after he cancels the support which is the Patreon way so I just when I saw that update I was like oh, we just lost Enzo and I you know, I pushed that message up and I found on Patreon When I write something, like in an instant, I can see three dots. It says somebody is writing something. So guys are just in there. They're active. I love those guys on Patreon. But I wrote that and I was like, oh, people could – people would maybe think we lost him. Lost him, you know? So I was like, oh. So I just kind of went in and said, I want to say we lost him here on Patreon and I posted it. But those 15 seconds, another guy wrote there, what? Is he gone? What happened? No, no, no. Enzo's fine. He's just not in here. So sorry for all the people in there. Yeah, we still talk to him all the time. He's churning out the great content over on PitBallFlipper, Ramo, Gonzo. So we are expressively excited for the work that he does there. Yes. Love him. Yes. So, Pete's show, amazing. What do you want to know? first of all yes how you had was it 10 or 12 beetlejuice games out there there were 12 beetlejuices 12 12 first question yeah how did they hold up perfect i didn't see a play field lifted the entire time and i spent 80 of my time there all 12 games yeah uh yeah a couple uh a couple of stuck balls um code is a little bit early in regards to the ball search so that's going to be fine-tuned but it was really nothing that took more than a couple seconds well what what has to be adjusted what did it take too long time before the ball search came or what was it no i think it just everything wasn't you know coordinated uh all together i don't even know um they just told me like it's not optimized yet and that's going to happen soon but i mean like like minimal stuff i think one screw came out of something that had to be screwed in that was the mechanical thing out of a you know the whole weekend and yeah the games were long players there were lines there consistently all the way up until the like moment that the show ended on sunday there were still people queued up there was not like a free beetlejuice machine and this was during super bowl sunday when like half the people had already left like everybody was there playing some beetlejuice it was fantastic so 12 games they still had lines yes people waiting yeah do you Do you know how many people visited Pinball at the Beach? No. But I don't know if it sold out last year, but it came close from what I heard. And the crowd capacity seemed about the same. Like the density was about the same. So I think everybody that came last year came this year as well. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's nice. So other than that, something that was really cool also was I saw a whole line of maybe maybe all the spooky pinball machines. All of them except one. There was only one child that wasn't there. But, yeah, it was like a history of spooky pinball that was over there. So they took 12 games there and plus 10 other games there. So Mad Pinball showed up with the bulk of those other games, which was awesome. There was a Rick and Morty that was already there. Somebody brought one other game. And then Mad Pinball showed up like late in the day that we were setting up. In like an hour, they had an additional 10 games on the row, like all gone. It was crazy to watch these guys work. We need to clap again to Matt Pinball also. They hustled. Not only that, they brought a Rotation 8. They brought Turner Pinballs, Merlin's Arcade. They brought Space Hunt from Hexa Pinball. Like a lot of these rare games that are hard to find, like they were bringing them. And they just put them in a trailer and drove them down. These guys are crazy. this is what I'm saying when I say I want people that has got pinball passion pinball in their heart to be pinball distros this is what I love I mean Jeff and rest of the team at pinball well done guys I'm loving this this is it you know bringing games out to the public they they sell these games from French now right yeah what was it called you said yeah Space Hump. Space Hump from Hex. Yeah, yeah. Corbin, Zach, and Kyle, and Jeff, and yeah, the whole team there at Mad Pinball. They're just like, they're seriously mad about pinball, which is great. They're not just distributors that sit there and like, you know, sell games or whatever and drop ship everything. Like, they're showing up like, hey, here's a rare game that wasn't a huge seller, but not a lot of people have gotten to play it. Like, here it is, you know? Wow. Yeah. I wonder where the Puny Factory was. I think that's still maybe out of location somewhere in Ohio. But they own a Puny Factory, and they tour that around, too. Oh, okay, okay. And Mad Pinball sponsoring this show. Thank you, guys. And for anybody that wants a Mad Pinball machine. Info at madpinball.com is where you do that. Mention code WOW. Get some stuff. Yeah, and before I forget. Too late. I already forgot it. Go ahead. It happens. Oh, you talked about that game from Canada. Oh, yeah, yeah. Putty Factor. No, what I was going to say is there isn't – Mad Pinball has an Alice Cooper. They're like resurrecting it. It was treated very poorly, and so that's the reason that Alice Cooper wasn't there. Otherwise, I think we're going to see the full line of spookies here going forward at these shows if Mad's involved. So that's cool. So I want to get that out of the way. And then, yeah, I saw a little bit of update from Pinball Adventures actually just recently. I saw they changed their profile picture to some cartoon with a first-class arcade, and first class is, of course, their jet-themed pinball machine that they had planned, and then also next to a Sushi Madness store, which was another theme that they're doing. So I don't know. It was cool to see a little rumbling from them. Hopefully something comes of it. Was that with the rotisserie game? No, no. That was Rams Road Trip, which was – Yeah, Rams. Oh, I'm sorry. What did the Avengers do? Pinball Adventures did Puny Factory, and then that's all they've released so far. Wait, he reached out to us a couple of months back and said he wants to share the upcoming game. Did he check all the mails? Oh, my God. If he's got something, when he's ready for something, yeah, we'll talk to him. Yeah, I can see what Andrew's up to over there. Yeah, he was so sweet. Thank you, dear friend. Just reach out. Send us a mail. We're pinball69. We know that Multimorphics Portal is always game of the show, but I think Beetlejuice made a very strong showing. 12 games, inflatables. Spooky Pinball was selling their Hawaiian shirts with their ghost print all over there. They're nearly sold out of like 500 shirts. It was crazy. Everybody had them on. They got matching bikinis, matching shorts. That was awesome. They had exclusive Beetlejuice magnets for the side armor that were only available at that show. They sold out. There will be exclusive ones at TPF coming up. How much did those magnets cost? $30. Buy them. Collect them. They're collectibles. They're making basically no money on them. But just to have something cool to put on your game. So that was awesome. Spooky Shill shirts were there. They had the dust covers. They actually had a booth and things were selling. It was fun. There was excitement the entire time there. Jersey Jack had a corner. They had all their games, but there was no booth or anything. They were just hobnobbing around. It was cool to be hanging out at the Spooky booth and see Roger Sharpe over there playing Beetlejuice. Keith Elwin and Cruz over there playing Beetlejuice. George Gomez and Seth came over playing Beetlejuice. Jack Danger was dressed in spooky gear playing as much Beetlejuice as he could. It was great to see everybody just celebrating, like, this game's fun. Did you get any feedback you can share here? From the other teams? Yeah. Their impressions? Everybody liked the game. I don't know anybody that wanted to come on camera and say that, but they were like, this is great pinball. I think there's like two forces right now. you know the big corporate juggernaut and then you know spooky coming in oh spooky is coming in hot baby absolutely so last week we made a show with chris colores from canada's pinball podcast and we wanted to know those 12 games were they numbered games no or the normal or or okay or other show games those were all show games okay and so i was hanging out at the booth and people would come up and they're like do you have any more like are these available um they had to go around and put sold stickers on all the beetle juices just so people would quit asking and i told people listen when this game released in 15 minutes they were gone all right a couple hours after that every show game was confirmed gone because people were thinking oh man if i only would have got here a little bit sooner maybe i could have got one of these and i was like no no no no no no these have been gone forever you didn do anything wrong you know it not like if you got a parking spot 10 minutes sooner you could have got one no but these were 12 games they were show games um and these were uh through marshall uh little shop of games he was selling those there'll be 20 games at tpf i think and those are through kingpin who's out of wisconsin already they're already sold they've been sold since the beetle juice launch day 20 games did you say that i think 20 yeah yeah wow okay so so dude that's incredible we're coming up with some cool ideas for the booth we have like four weeks until texas pinball festival now how lucky are those show game buyers you know they get how many games they played under a thousand games yeah it doesn't matter right yeah and beetle juice is a long player too so like the games were played for 72 hours straight pretty much um but they may only have like you know two to three hundred total plays just because it is such a long player oh as an operator i want to ask you yeah was the games on for 72 hours or did you turn them off during the night i think they cut power at night oh okay but i didn't i didn't see any games that needed to be reset or anything um i well i mean one of them happened but i'm sure it's just a software bug it was not a spooky title it's early it's early man yeah okay yeah so it's good times that's cool yeah wow i i'm so excited about this so yeah congratulations to you to team spooky i love it the next game the next company i want to ask you about these barrels of fun barrels of our show yeah barrels was there yeah brian savage 12 games also no they had they had five games um five winter thurs six two winchesters oh i know solamente duo only two winchester how long was the line it was about a half hour or so for each game like the whole time so yeah they maintained a line there as well um dune was seeing a lot of healthy lines too for for a time it was almost like it was about equal there were uh two dunes one with the new back glass one with the original one there was two winchesters and then there was a labyrinth that was there as well uh these were How about the topper? How about this new topper you can buy? Was it showed there? There were no new toppers at all. There was the pack-in plastic topper with Dune. That's the only game that had a topper on it. So we didn't see the Dune topper, which I don't even think it exists yet. No Winchester topper, a little early for that. And they didn't have the Labyrinth topper either. Now, these games were games that Little Shop of Games had ordered for customers. And so I asked, like, wow, why isn't the Labyrinth topper here? It's so cool. They said, well, the customer that bought that labyrinth and ordered it didn't order the topper. So it's just their game that's here to play. I watched – I think it's a video short you sent me or something. And in the background, I saw David Vanez. We love you, buddy. Yeah. He was working on one of his machines. Yes. So I happened to come by and do a live stream right when they had like the play field up and he had the whole dune mountain in his hand. And I didn't have time to ask him at that. They were busy working and I was probably drunk. Of course. But what I found out later is it was a C-clip, apparently, from some part of the game that had slid underneath the mountains. And so they had to unscrew everything to get to it. So I walked by. I'm like, oh, crap. It looks like there's a major construction going on. But it was a small part that slid under there, and they had to get it. I don't know where the C-clip was from. It was on a dune. Yeah, but the game was playing. I went back and played it again the next day. Played fine for me. Something strange happened. I hit the start button, and then the game reset on me. I don't know what that is, a software bug or whatever. but that was the only blip that I saw. Otherwise, it was playing great. And, you know, Dune's really come a long way. It's probably, like, most improved, I think, of the year from, like, when it launched, which was just really sad, to now it's like people are really talking it up, like, I can't get a Winchester, but I did order a Dune, you know? Yeah. So that's fun. I don't think the game wasn't set up well, though. Like, the back legs were flat. It was very floaty. I think it needed to be pitched up more. I almost wanted to crawl under there and re-level it. So – You should have done it. Well, the reason I'm asking is did the Winchesters hold up 22 hours? Yeah, yeah. I didn't see them turned off at all the whole time. Oh, nice. I'm loving this. This is how it should be. Nice, man. Okay. Good, good, good, good. Congrats to David David Van Es and his team also. I'm loving this. The next company I want to ask about is Modeload. Stern. Stern Pinball, yeah. They were there with Star Wars. they didn't show pokemon no i didn't show pokemon star wars yeah you know last year dnd just launched before the show so when you walked in it was like dungeons and dragons eight games right up in your face like get around here and play them it was very exciting this time no brand new game to show off so they had a couple of follow the empires in the lineup with the toppers which was cool walking deads were there you could walk up and play them anytime you wanted um and then they had just about every stern spike 2 game on a line so if you were missing out on a led zeppelin achievement or a Munsters or something, you could go ahead and get them there. There was a Stern badge to collect if you signed in from the show, so that was fun. That's cool. But there was no backroom Pokemon. There were no pictures floating around of the play field or anything like I was hoping. So nothing leaked? Yeah. Nothing is out? No, no. We got that teaser. We still don't know exactly what's going on with the game. There's a lot of speculation on how collectible this LE is eventually going to be. um i don't know we can talk about that now if you want yeah yeah i wanted to ask you about some other companies but let's jump into the le and and the pokemon stuff because i don't want to say this but i have to say this like i think i'm the only guy in the pinball industry that when i heard that music i got so excited in pokemon my son yeah my son he grew up with this music we watched the cartoons we there was a game you could download from the antique where you could collect pokemons this is my kid's childhood yeah i love this yeah but i think but when i ask friends when i ask on our you know damien danish scandinavian facebook groups everything pokemon and people are like what and i just feel like johnny alone on this island isn't there another guy in pinball that likes pokemon also so he could be my friend right right like i you know i watched the cartoon show i played the game boy games i played pokemon snap on the n64 um there's a pokemon theme park opening up at universal in japan when that's open i can't wait to go there and go play it so like so yeah like um you know it's not legend of zelda or super mario brothers level for me but like i was there when it came out you know i've got a plush bulbasaur somewhere in my house you know i never got into the card game my brother did i played some pokemon go it's fun you know so like i'm here for this license right there's gonna be three games released right pro premium le le's are 750 they're the only one that are actually limited and so i'm trying to put my mind in the mind of a pokemon collector some guy who's got stupid money and instead of buying pinball machines he buys pokemon cards and sticks them up on the wall um is this guy gonna want to pay twenty thousand dollars scalper price for a pokemon limited edition when he doesn't even know pinball when he can just go and get a $7,000 pro and stick it in the corner of his game room and have all the lights and all the code and all the music anyway? Like, I don't know. I got people telling me that dealer lists, they already have way more people than their allotment. This game's going to, the LE's going to sell out immediately and then be sought after. You need to get yourself three of them if you can, and then you can flip them every couple of months. And it's like, I just don't know. It seems like a very high risk to me. and I was talking to you earlier before we started. I'm like, listen, if there are diehard Pokemon people, just like us pinball people out there, there's got to be Pokemon forums. There's got to be Pokemon YouTube channels. And if the hype is really building over this LE, surely they're saying something about it. And there's, you know, people are mentioning it, but they're like, yeah, this game's like $7,000. Who can afford that? And that's like all I'm seeing from the Pokemon, like thriving communities that are out there. So I don't know who to trust. Is this a pump and dump? Are they hyping this up so we buy it and then all of a sudden the price drops to $8,500? We're stuck with it? I don't know. Doesn't all games get the hype-up treatment before release? I mean, did Walking Dead get the hype-up treatment? Did Dune get the hype-up treatment? Evil Dead, I don't think, had the hype-up treatment before it was totally launched. But this feels like, I don't know, I can't tell if it's artificial or if it's real. back in 2017 i want to say just before star wars got released people were like how are we going to be able to buy star wars at least because star wars is a huge huge huge ip and all the movie memorabilia collectors will buy all the star wars games you think so but did that happen so it didn't happen didn't happen and honestly it didn't happen honestly if you're a very wealthy star wars guy you could go by follow the empire pro and it looks just as good you know unless you're a pinball guy and you're like well i know about expression lights and this one doesn't have it you're gonna be like oh look i got the star wars game here but it was 7k i got a new inbox now my collection's complete you know um so yeah exactly and here's the thing if uh pokemon comes out and the layout is as you know pedestrian kind of easy approachable just like fall of the empire there's not a ton of cool mechs the pro is not that much different than the le um yeah i don't think i don't think it's worth the risk of jumping in thinking that it's gonna flip what's this game gonna go to is it gonna go to like 14 000 and then i'm taking all this risk for a thousand bucks that's too much stress for me i think donnie let me give you a real example okay real example hit me with it yeah a guy that loves gonzon roses he visits one of our locations in copenhagen and he plays and he sees he's not a pinball guy but he sees this gonzon roses standard edition have you seen the standard edition it's missing there was actually there was one at um pinball at the beach which is like the most rare freaking game yeah i think there's a little bit 200 or something yeah yeah standard edition it's missing i think it's missing the upper left the whole upper playfield is missing yeah what the heck yeah and the most important the rail those lit up rails on the side the hot rails yeah the hot rails they're only white yeah i feel like that yeah so this guy tries it and he comes into uh some days after into our main location and he wants to buy a pinball machine i think he wanted to buy an guns and roses or alien or what the heck i don't remember so So I showed him Alien and I showed him Guns N' Roses and he was like, whoa, this game feels a bit different than the other Guns N' Roses I played. And I was like, yeah, that's because it's the standard version. This is the limited edition or collective edition. It has got this and this and this and it costs this much more. And he was like, why? I have the same screen. I have the same game. Just like you said about Star Wars Pro. Yeah. He wants to listen to the John Williams music. He wants to see what's happening on the screen and the play field. You have to be a pinball guy to see difference between the pro and the elite. Especially double up. Now, with Guns N' Roses, though, there's a lot of gameplay on that upper play field. There's that extra six-ball ball lock. There's the extra bass guitar wire forms. And there's the other targets that are up there and stuff that add a lot to the gameplay. When you look at Fall of the Empire, what do you get? Your AT-AT kneels down. so what you got a java nightlight so what you get the what you get the bobble heads who cares like there's nothing there was not there's not like an extra play field you don't get to shoot inside the millennium falcon and have the ball you know run around a physical ball lock or anything so if pokemon follows this trend where the pro and the premium really aren't that different um yeah i think any collector would be happy with just like the 7k rather than trying to pay like 25 I want to say something, but I can't say it before they release the game. Did you hear something? I know something, but I have so much respect for these companies. See, you got to get rid of the self-respect, sir. I did that years ago, and I've been happy ever since. Tomorrow's the dealer media day, so I think we're going to see a lot of stuff here pretty soon. dude when dealer sees the show it gets leaked able to wear right yeah yeah so to be honest when i got pictures of upcoming games and i said donnie i had them you're like no i don't want to see anything i don't want to see those shoulder photos i want to see the game the proper way i love you for that you know i want to for pokemon i want a shoulder image because i'm trying to stay ahead of this because I think I might have a small window where I could snag one. But if I'm buying it, I don't want to buy a game and just leave it in the box thinking it's going to be this sought-after thing. I want to play the damn thing. And if that's going to kill the value amongst these collectors, then what's the point anyway? I'm just so confused. Donnie, Pokemon is huge here in Denmark. Like huge Not that they playing card games but they trade buy and sell these cards And these cards for like you can buy 10 cards And if you're lucky, one of the cards are like worth $400. You can grade them and stuff like that. I don't want to go nerdy in it, but there's a market like that. Very cool. We have specific shops here in Denmark that only has Pokemon stuff. You can have Pokemon ding-dongs and whatever, everything Pokemon. Cool. Pokemon Ding Dongs. Yes. If you go in there and say, dudes, there is a Pokemon pinball machine out. And these guys that are like 18 and 26 years old, they will just look at you and say, what's a pinball machine? Yeah, exactly. It's this cool game in a wooden box, you know, from the 60s and the 70s. They're like, I have no idea. When I say pinball machine to people here, they're like, yeah, paintball, it's fun. You shoot each other. Not paintball. yeah people doesn't know they don't know i mean this is like this is like saying you know the toyota corolla or something or the toyota camry is like the best-selling vehicle in america so they made a pokemon version of it and all of a sudden like pokemon people are going to come and buy it in droves and it's like no these aren't really people looking to buy like specific cars you know pokemon people aren't people that buy pinball machines so is just branding pokemon on a pinball machine going to have this massive crossover i've got to have it it worked with supreme but they only made 100 games total and this is a game that'll be unlimited in the pro and premiums and and yeah that le is limited to 750 globally but is it even going to come with foil decals stern's like backed away from doing foil decals so it's going to come down we'll have piss it's going to come down to the features man if it's just pez heads and like a weak little physical ball lock like on John Wick is the only difference then yeah that's a strong pass here I don't want to say the difference between the pro and le but uh yeah in a couple of days we can talk about it now I don't think I don't think Stern necessarily would care if you know people reveal like their impressions of the game what they really don't want coming out as images that can get back to the licensor like hey we haven't finally approved this why is this floating around the internet what did you guys do like that's what they don't want to see I messed up I messed up once yeah stern really messed up so i wake up and i see on my youtube channel a lot of jaws videos the trailer release trailer video all over the place so i'm like cool i like to help out companies so i just pulled one of the videos downloaded it it's only 480p yeah it's not full So I downloaded it and I put it on my YouTube channel and then put links on our Scandinavian Facebook groups. And look, guys, the game is like this. And I forget about it, you know, go off today. But that was one day before launch. So like when I, you know, get back to my computer, my Facebook and YouTube is blown up. And in those like eight hours, that video had over 13,000 views. That's a lot of views. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what the heck? But then it got released the day after. They didn't get mad at me. But yeah, that's a lot of people were like, oh, this is so cool. Where can I order it? Give me some info, retro, Django. What the heck is going on? People were hyped. Kind of Shark Week. That's the only one. Yeah. That's lit. So I think if we don't get photos out tomorrow after dealers are there, I think we'll start hearing what impressions are like. And that's really all I want to know for now. I'll wait until the George Gomez video comes out to see what the game actually looks like. But I want to know, is there a physical ball lock? Is it impressive? Are there mechanisms that are different on the premium versus the pro? Is there foil decals on the LE? That's what I'm wondering. how about how about the le is getting was it four speakers or what they have some speaker upgrades now yeah yeah so yeah um yeah so they have the light in the speakers now yeah yeah yeah and so they do all the cool stuff that you used to do on your don special custom edition well they're welcome for the no uh yeah so that is the cool thing about the le like it's gotten to the point now with the spike three games if i get one i want the le version it's just is it worth the price and so far it hasn't been worth the launch price but as the prices come down on them second hand they become more attractive you know um yeah yeah so you know i'm not saying i won't get one eventually but uh you know if i'm in my order when i'm right at the gate i'm not convinced yet dude uh loser kid pinball podcast show yes um They make market analysis videos, right? On YouTube. Yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Those videos are awesome. So awesome because when I go in there and I see the… I watched the videos first time from Loser Kit and when they show how like 99% of the pinball machines they show, they have a price value drop and it is what it is. They can't change that. We can't change that. But those prices on the secondary market on the LE versions of Stern. Yeah. You are so lucky in the U.S. You get like three months old Stern games for like $9,000, Donnie. I know. How much wear and tear can they have? None. They have like 40 plays on them. I see them flipping out, puts them up all the time. People get the games and three months later they trade them in. And I see like, you know, just traded in brand new LE, 26 plays. and i'm like ah dude zach's got the deals man yeah yeah that's amazing you guys are so lucky over there yeah so i don't you know i don't necessarily want to be like that type of player where i'm buying these games just to have them first and then you know losing money second hand yeah i thought yeah you know but people are telling me you know people like two people online are saying like pokemon's gonna be different man you don't realize how thirsty these collectors are going to be, it'll be interesting to watch, you know, but I can honestly see it going either way. This could be an $8,500 LE by October, or it could be a $25,000 coveted Supreme. I don't know if that's going to happen, though. I can give you another example. So my Retro Jango YouTube channel, it's not about pinball, to be honest. It's a retro channel. I'm into retro gaming and retro stuff. So cool. I follow retro gaming in there and one of the guys that I follow when he makes videos he's called his name is retro Rick and he you know he's really into Nintendo he has a little shop with Nintendo games and he sells Pokemon dolls and figurines and everything right and he loves this right and every time he makes videos they're like about 30,000 views so on one of his videos with all these games he came upon a pinball machine and Rick and his friends were like whoa check this out. They have never seen it and this is so old This is so cool. The pinball machine was a godly Super Mario Brothers. Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah one the blue on the sides were just faded it was almost white looking and yeah, you know so It cost $8,000, and these guys were like, what? This can't be happening. And a couple of months later, he bought it for like $5,000 or something. Fine. Installed his Super Mario in his shop. When you come in to the right side of the door, Super Mario pinball machine. And they were so, oh, my God, this is Mario. This is Mario. So three months later, he makes a show, and then he zooms in on this pinball machine. And he's like, yeah, this is our paywall machine, and it's broken. We don't know what to do with it. It's crap. And then people are like, it's a cool table, man. It's just not – it's the same demo, but it's not the same demo. Yeah. Donnie. Yeah. Yeah, there's a card shop here in Florida I went into, and they have a Jurassic Park Pro right when you walk in the door. And it's like it's cool. Like it fits the theme of the shop. It's like, let me go play a Jurassic Park game. I blew it up and I got free games. My score went up. I could tell pinball people don't come here. So I can see like a Pokemon Pro being a good seller for new places like a card shop. A Pokemon shop would like to have this in their window because it's going to be a spectacle. It's going to have a lot of lights, call outs. The code is going to be cool. You can log in and collect little Pokemon guys probably. But like is the LE going to be worth like the money that sneaker people are paying for Supreme? I don't think so. but I love that they do this because they I remember last year they came out with Dungeons and Dragons and people were like now pinball is opening up for this new market Dungeons and Dragons people maybe 20 guys bought it in that industry but you know it's peanuts but I hope with Pokemon that it's a bigger market it opens up for pinball but to be honest when they see the price tag yeah they will think these guys are crazy i think i think this game will be a good seller for stern especially like you know i think more locations might get this more different varied locations might i think you know homeowners will pick it up but as far as like a pin investment in the le that part i i'm not convinced is going to happen how about this idea how about if they made an official official pokemon card oh that you could only get changes everything that would change everything imagine if you got this le machine and it had this card and there was only 750 of this card and then you could sell the card for six thousand dollars and then i would do that and then i would just go because i don't care about pokemon cards i'll just grab another one and throw it on there that's all going to make the same to me i'll probably 3d print one anyway you know and then maybe my le drops so it's only worth you know the nine grand then you know or 8500 without the card uh but so what i got 6k for the card so that's that's fine i can sell the game for 4 000 still make money or whatever um yeah if there's an exclusive card and that card's got some foil on it and it's like a playable card that may change everything no it's not a playable card it has to be in these acrylic protective cases yeah with nintendo seal and everything like this is it guys no like nothing yeah and it's not something this people wouldn't play with it but it would have to be like a card that could be played in the game oh that would be great the problem is i don't know who owns the license for the card game who owns the license for we don't even know what what license they went after is this pokemon the cartoon show is this pokemon uh the video game is it the game boy game is it the n64 it does i mean the one from the antique i played when it was very popular of course it still gets played today pokemon go yeah like is this pokemon go game back then yeah it was everywhere it was 10 years ago it was amazing albert's like jumping out of his skin right now trying to correct us because we're probably wrong about a lot of this stuff but um the pokemon john John? What? What? Albert. Over to Albert. He's our resident pinball and Pokemon nerd. What the heck? Is he into Pokemon? Oh my god, dude. He's like basically his main... Pinball's his side hustle. Pokemon's what he does full time, basically. Dude! Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yes, yes, yes. Alberto. Wait. This is his time to shine, man. Last week or something, you called me when you were up in the mountains and working, and you said that orbital albert want to do a show with us oh yeah that's right we should what what happened we should get this guy on to talk about pokemon when it's released because like he's gonna be the he's the dude i mean invite him over let's if he's into how did i start the show i said i want a guy that's into pinball and pokemon so i can nerd out all right and his his podcast is literally called the pinball nerds podcast so if there was ever a moment for him to shine this is it man he's gonna be a shiny polished okay ball that's maybe even a master ball we'll see we'll bring him over let's talk let's talk something a pokemon that's cool man so um i think yeah to get back to this and thank you for the invitation uh albert that's what's his last name man he's not orbital albert Albert Agar. Albert Agar. Thank you for the invitation, man. So what did he want to do? Did he want to enter our show or did he want to walk on his show? Did he want to interview us? What did he want? I remember because like Terry Gar sounds like Agar, and that's how I remember. So I don't know if we ever settled on anything, but we'll have him on probably. Yeah. Let's do that. Because then we can grill him. We be a three monster beast of pinball and Pokemon and nerddom We going to talk about bazaar and all those cool cards man you um it was a dear listener so tony he hits me up like crazy hour of the day he calls me with uh what is the video called facetime call yeah you know i'm just laying down look looking at a cool movie something and tony he has got snow up his knees and he's working and he's like man i'm working. You're just laying there having some fun. I'm working. And then he turns his camera. There's literally a river. Yes. And he walks to the left side of the river and he says, this is US soil. And the other side of the river, it's Canadian soil. I'm on the frontier. He can just walk into Canada. How cool is that, man? All that snow. Oh, my sweet mother of God. Knee deep, man. Oh, knee deep. Yeah. But, oh my goodness, to come back to this collector's edition card, 751. You should be able to get one card from somewhere. But these cards, if they were included, boxed, sealed, and highly collectible, they could charge $15,000 from Stern because of this card. Trust me. Yeah, so it's probably going to come down to the card game is probably a whole different license they would have to pay for. I can't see a world in where they would do that. So I don't know that that's happening. But I still don't know what license they're using for this game. But they had the music. We're going to know tomorrow. They had a version of the music. It wasn't from the cartoon show. I think it was re-recorded. Oh, what? Yeah, because it sounded a little bit different. Yeah. Was it? Oh, so they do the turtles treatment. Maybe. Maybe. So much is up in the air, man. This can go either way. It's Schrodinger's Pokedex. I don't know. Yeah. But people are like, oh, Pokemon, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. But please, have an open mind. The music is great. Yeah. And it can have small figurines. And you can mod this game like crazy. This may be an incredible game. This game was designed by Jack Danger. I love Missum Jack. So many questions. And it's projected by George Gomez. I love Missum George. I know that's the official word. Shooting with Stern Flippers. Is it true? Is it true? I don't know. Tony, I will unbox one of the earliest pro versions. I'm going to share everything. We bought it already. Yeah, I think the pro version would be a surefire way to go on this. But we'll get confirmation soon. We'll get confirmation soon. I am almost at checkout time. So let me wrap up Pinball at the Beach. Jersey Jack Pinball was there. They had every one of their games. They had Harry Potters of every stripe. No problems. People are loving the games. I got to play both a rare Pirates of the Caribbean and also a rare Guns and Roses Standard Edition. So that was kind of fun. Oh, nice. Yeah, Eric Meunier is such a cool guy. We hung out for a bit, talked about some stuff. Very approachable. Sounds like he's got some super cool stuff going on at the factory. So they do have two lines. They're not like parallel the same size. I saw this before when I was there. They were building Harry Potters, but on the second line, they also had some avatars going through. And so the second line doesn't produce like quite as many per day as the Harry Potter does. But all this is to say when Sonic is released, are we going to be waiting, waiting, waiting for Sonic because there's still so many Harry Potters on the main line? and he was telling me that basically depending on where the highest demand is they can quickly shift that game to the main line and the other one goes to the sideline so they're still both moving out so they have they have some flex capacity there and he didn't tell me specific numbers but it kind of sounds like they're getting closer to being caught up on harry potter sales but they're they're still like months away so i think oh i can tell you wait we had a shipment of Harry Potter's. Yeah. And then like under two weeks ago, another friend of mine came in and said he played Harry Potter and he fell totally in love with it. Yeah. So we contacted JJP and said, can you include another collector's edition in that shipment? And they said yes. And it came last Friday, I think. That's nice. So he had ordered under two weeks. Two weeks. Okay. So that's a good sign. That's a good sign. I am here hearing that summertime will be the release of the next game. I cannot wait. This may change, but it seems like, you know, it's not going to, we're not going to have to wait until Expo, I don't think, as long as everything's going okay. So we may see a new game from them coming up. And so that's the thing. Like, I know the Jersey Jack game is going to have assets, awesome animations, a giant screen, Steve Ritchie, fast gameplay. I mean, it's going to be, it should be at least as good as Elton John, but with a better theme for me and so it's like that for me that's why i'm like i can take this pokemon money rather than gambling it right now i know i want sonic and i can probably use that money for like the good version of sonic so maybe that's what i do question yes did you ask if they will make arcade version under 10k oh no no i didn't ask that um probably because it's so important i'm gonna tell you do you have two minutes they got me drunk yeah of course you have two minutes okay i will do it very fast all this with trump wanting greenland and blah blah blah all the politics uh in resulted in europeans has got an app now the most downloaded app now is you can go into a grocery store and you can scan a product and you can see if it's from us they don't buy it so they barcode it all of this resulted in listen to this all of this made me so happy because like two months ago i paid like 720 30 danish crowners to get 100 right now with all this going on the dollar currency has plummeted down to 620 damage for 100 yeah okay i can see the clever guys in us they do this to export more and make some more money for us yeah but it's so cool for us this means jersey jack games when you order them they will be so much cheaper for us as a distro here so oh my god this is so cool i love it so yeah make some europe is getting more expensive for me now that sucks what well but you export a lot of more goods to europe now yippee yeah but yeah but when you visit us it will be a bit more expensive i know all right you better you you're gonna have to buy me something then when i go there of course buddy no problem there all right i'll save up so that's interesting that's interesting so it was great to see all the games that were there and the jjp guys having a good time uh barrels of fun we talked about their games are holding up reasonably well uh what didn't hold up reasonably well and this is sad There was a multi-morphic game on the show floor the first day. It was Weird Al. I was excited. I went up to it. Games turned off. The next day. You are cursed with this company. The next day, game is gone. They took it off the floor. So, oh, that was sad. That was sad. Like, I really wanted to get some multi-morphic time in there. That's even worse than when you waited on the line for Portal. And it was your turn. They turned the game off. Fuck you, Donnie. I'm like the most diehard P3 fanboy because I love them despite all the abuse that I get from them. And all I want to do is be able to play their games and they're either shut off or just removed. So that was sad that that happened. Do you know the owner's name of this company? Yeah, I believe it's Gary. Gary. Gary. Dear Gary. Somebody let Gary listen to this show. Yeah. Send a preview unit with all 26,000 games to Donnie. Oh, my God. Let him test this game. I would love that. Let him have some fun. Let him review all the boards or playfields. I would love that. I would sleep underneath it. I'd get a little sleep. Yeah, I would cherish that machine. He should do that, Don. You are the pinball ambassador, man. I love everything with you and pinballs. I have an irrational attraction to the P3 multimorphic system, and I just want to live in that world. I just want to live in that world. I just want to be a guy. You don't need to try it. I know. I know. What the heck, Donnie? I'm not giving up on this love affair. I'm going to love even harder. That's what I'm going to do. Also sad, poor Merlin's Arcade. I was very excited to go play this one, and then it also went down and then also went missing. It was like something happened beyond a quick fix. And I'm like, oh, gosh, darn it. I wanted to play that. I was there. Where's it at? uh so um yeah did you only have one game there yeah just one just one it was one of mad pinball brought you know all these games were brought by distributors these weren't like companies bringing their games down except for spooky why spooky brought theirs down um look how cool mad pinball is come on i know that why is it because the show is so little so small that companies don't want to you know come in with their stuff well it's marshall's show from little shop of games and so he wanted to i guess just pack a bunch of games in a tent and do an event that costs a little bit more money but it's more exclusive so there's not huge lines for games and we can all hang out down you know there's also a big tournament there's also other events and things that are going on um so you know it's a it's a it's a fun event it's a fun event um okay i watch tournament oh we don't have time but i have let's next time we'll tell you i'll tell I still had some fun with Merlin's Arcade. We took it out to the trailer, and after the show closed one night, me and all the mad guys and some of the spooky personnel, we all went back and hung out in the trailer at the parking lot, continued the party. Merlin's Arcade was there. It was participating. Merlin's Arcade was getting contact highs. We had some fun with the game. We just didn't get to actually play it. Do you know if the game is sold out? Merlin's Arcade? I do not believe it is sold out, sir. Okay. So do they release a – oh, nothing? Yeah. Yeah. Nothing? Nothing? Nothing? No. Nothing? Nothing? Sorry. That wasn't a TPF preview you were going to drop there? Nothing. All right. All right. I mean, you can talk about it. I ain't going to do nothing. The Texas Pinball Festival is coming up in just a couple of weeks in Frisco, Texas. It's like the preeminent event of the year. It's neck and neck with Expo. They both have a different flavor. It's okay to like both. and there's going to be new games there from what I'm hearing, and I'm excited about playing them. And, you know, Hexa for sure, maybe some other people. Multimorphic, I'm hearing, won't have their new one. What the heck? The new one, what's that? I don't know what it is, but they generally debut a new game every year at Texas Pinball Festival. But maybe Portal is just such a juggernaut of a game that it's going to float for two years. I don't know. Game of the decade. I'll try to approach them again and see if they scowl at me, but I'll get whatever information out I can. I wore my portal shirt. Donnie, did they have an Allison out there you could play? Hell no. Nobody's got Alice. DPX shut the doors, man. They shut down. If you didn't get an Alice by now, F you. That's what they're saying. No, I don't think it's quite as bad as that. But, yeah, there were no Alice's Adventures in Her Underpants was not there. I would have played it. I would have played it, but no. So Melvin, he dropped the cooperation with Dutch Pinball. So DPX is gone. Right, Donnie? Yeah. Do you know why? I know why. No, please, please tell me why. Oh, I can't share it here. I'm crazy. Come on, man. Melvin's got no power over us. We can say whatever we want. No, listen, listen. Melvin is a good guy. Is he? Yeah, he's a good guy. Don't say nothing negative about it. He's a good guy. and I'm telling you he will do some more pinball stuff. I'm sure about it. He has got money. He has got passion. He has got skills. And offline, I'm going to tell you what's going on there. That's a great tease. We should do this on a Patreon episode. No, I cannot share that either. Shoot, I've got to pack up and get out of this Disney hotel. I'm going to go back to Epcot and Animal Kingdom today. Looking forward to it. Just call me later, man. We talk multiple times. It's going to be a pinball news week, too. We're getting a stern drop, and then I want to hear more and more about TPF as the weeks get closer. So when we know more, we'll hit it. We're so lucky, man. This hub is awesome. Right, honey? Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's time for some outro music. I got to get going, man. This was super fun. Thank you, Retro Jenkins. Thank you, listeners. Thank you, Anthony Marua and Josh Cox for being super ultra limited. Members, Enzo, we love you. Albert Agar, come on our show and talk about some Pokemon pinball. WeArePinball69 at gmail.com is where you can get at us. Patreon.com backslash WeArePinball. Cengiz, go. God, I cast them all. I'll let you have the last word here. All right, guys. Until next time, we are pinball.