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Pinball Junk Drawer - Episode 79

JBS Show·podcast_episode·1h 0m·analyzed·Dec 12, 2025
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TL;DR

JBS interviews Pinball Junk Drawer hosts about their show, collections, and pinball philosophy.

Summary

Jamie Burchill of JBS Show interviews Craft Brew Sally and Foghorn Leghorn from Pinball Junk Drawer podcast. They discuss their show's history within the Poor Man's Pinball Network, their pinball collections in Wisconsin and Houston, their personal backgrounds, and their philosophy of keeping pinball fun and positive rather than critical.

Key Claims

  • Pinball Junk Drawer started podcasting in 2006 and later joined Albert's Poor Man's Pinball Network

    high confidence · Foghorn Leghorn explains the show's origin: 'This was like in 2006. And we had a weekly show' and later 'they started the Poor Man's Pinball Show' with 'Drew and Ian' before transitioning to Albert's network.

  • Albert (Orbital Albert) produces approximately 18 shows per week on the Poor Man's Pinball Network

    high confidence · Jamie states: 'albert does like 18 shows a week and then we do one every other week' and 'albert he does a lot of shows every now and then i'll like click on the website and i'll be like there's like 20 shows since we were here we were here like last week'

  • Craft Brew Sally and Foghorn Leghorn's basement collection includes: MAME cabinet, Capcom Namco Rock and Bowl, Woe Nelly, Dr. Dude, Godzilla Premium, Elvira House of Horrors, Beatles Gold, 1934 Valley Blue Ribbon, and Golden Arrow EM

    high confidence · They enumerate their collection: 'we have a MAME cabinet...Rock and Bowl...Woe Nelly and Dr. Dude and Godzilla Premium, Alvira House of Horrors Beatles Gold and we have an old 1934 Valley Blue Ribbon...and now we have a Golden Arrow EM up in the garage'

  • Sally started playing pinball in 2018-2019 after being introduced by John Spates

    high confidence · Sally states: 'I started in 2018, 2019-ish. I had a friend, John Spates, and he got me addicted to it.'

  • Craft Brew Sally's first pinball machine was Austin Powers, purchased new in box from California

    high confidence · Sally explains: 'we got the austin powers that was the first one that we bought like new in box...i found this thing online and i bought it because we like the movie...it came from like cal it came from california'

  • Jamie borrowed an LE Iron Maiden from a friend in Houston and finds it very difficult to reach the Two Minutes to Midnight mode

    high confidence · Jamie states: 'right now I'm borrowing an LE Iron Maiden nice and it's fantastic but guys it's wicked hard I've never been to two minutes of midnight I can't get the damn thing to two minutes at midnight.'

Notable Quotes

  • “Pinball should be fun. Honestly, at our core, we never want to be like a show that like picks at stuff or nags.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ N/A — Core philosophy statement about the show's approach to pinball criticism and community positivity

  • “I get so many shows from albert but i don't get burned out the guy makes me laugh i get a big kick out of him”

    Jamie Burchill @ N/A — Assessment of Albert's prolific production and entertainment value on the Poor Man's Pinball Network

  • “Pinball just took over that addiction, and now I wish I could go back in time and talk to that kid that moved to Orlando and go, all right, there's going to be something called Bitcoin. You're going to want to buy that and play pinball too.”

    Craft Brew Sally @ N/A — Humorous reflection on Sally's transition from golf obsession to pinball as primary hobby

  • “I was the dumb American in 2008 on a Celtic, Glasgow Celtic FC podcast that would get like 10,000 downloads”

    Jamie Burchill @ N/A — Background on Jamie's early podcasting experience before pinball content

  • “Once it's down there, unless times get hard, it ain't going back up the steps”

    Craft Brew Sally @ N/A — Comment on the physical difficulty of moving machines between basement and main floor, affecting collection decisions

  • “I'm not a tinkerer. I don't know how to change my oil. I've never known how to change my oil. I'm just not that guy. I'm going to outsource.”

    Jamie Burchill @ N/A — Jamie's self-assessment of his approach to arcade/pinball machine maintenance vs. technical skill

  • “I would say that Godzilla and Elvira are probably never leaving the house.”

    Craft Brew Sally @ N/A — Indicates strong attachment to specific machines in their collection despite financial constraints

  • “Austin Powers taught me those five shots, like how to find them on almost any fan layout game.”

Entities

Craft Brew SallypersonFoghorn LeghornpersonJamie BurchillpersonOrbital Albert (Orby)personPinball Junk DrawerorganizationPoor Man's Pinball NetworkorganizationJohn SpatespersonGina LowepersonJBS ShoworganizationWormholeorganization

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball Junk Drawer emphasizes fun and positivity over criticism, adopting an inclusive stance that acknowledges diverse game preferences within the community

    high · Foghorn states: 'we always try and take an angle of someone out there loves it. Like my most hated game...that's someone's favorite game.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Tournament entry serves as gateway to sustained pinball engagement; John Spates paying Sally's entry fee led directly to tournament addiction and hobby transition

    high · Sally: 'I got sucked into going to a tournament...John Spates paid my entry...he's like, the first one's free. The rest is going to cost you...I was like, I don't want to play pinball for eight hours. But I did, had the best time'

  • ?

    community_signal: Basement pinball collections in cold-weather climates (Wisconsin) enable expanded ownership; geographic relocation enabled Sally and Foghorn's transition from 1-2 machines in Florida garage to 8+ machine basement collection

    high · Sally: 'Florida, there's no basements in Florida unless you want to hit water...it was kind of finally we had room...we had one or two machines in florida...then you'd sell it' vs. Wisconsin basement with multiple machines

  • ?

    community_signal: Informal lending and equipment-sharing culture within local pinball communities enables broader access to games without ownership burden

    high · Jamie: 'I lent my World Cup soccer to a good friend of mine...Houston's community some of us let us borrow games and right now I'm borrowing an LE Iron Maiden'

  • $

    market_signal: Pinball Junk Drawer positioning itself as antidote to critical/negative pinball commentary; hosts emphasize appreciating all games and avoiding gatekeeping attitudes

Transcript

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0:00
🎵 Hello and welcome to another edition of the JBS show. And today I'm really excited. I always say I'm really excited, but today I really am excited to be joined by Pinball Junk Drawer's own Craft Brew Sally and Foghorn Leghorn. Thank you for joining. I love your show. I love it. Thank you. Thanks very much. This is Craft Brew Sally, for those who don't know. I'm Foghorn Leghorn. Just so there's no confusion, I'll get that out of the way right away. so i got awesome i got to meet you two at uh king kong right king kong that's right that's right i first met them ladies and gentlemen at king kong and i went up to him as like a fan boy and i was like are you craft brew sally right because i don't know if you remember this I do. It's really weird for me when people come up to me and recognize it. It's wicked weird for me, right? And it happened to me, this was the worst case at Expo for me when I was definitely getting a lot of, hey, Jamie, how are you, Jamie, Jamie? Because I think the roundtable has risen my popularity, if you will. Your online presence, yeah. online presence you know so that was very strange but to geek on someone else too it's really fun right and i was like and then you were right next to her fog lord i was like oh fog lord leg lord you don't get to see your faces you know no you don't know you know so it it's it's funny for us Like, how did you start the Pinball Junk Drawer? And why are you on Albert's own channel? Like, explain that stuff to me.
2:24
That's confusing for us. So can you start with, like, why are you on his channel? Well, what happened was we started to – now I've done audio projects, and I actually did a TV show, like, on public access for, like, a million years ago. Awesome. And then that closed down, so we went into podcasting. This was like in 2006. And we had a weekly show, and it was just me and a couple guys that we hung out with that were just kind of just hanging out and BSing, you know. And then I started doing like a B-movie podcast, and I started doing Kung Fu podcast, and then I have a radio show out of Radio St. Pete. And when we moved here, Crafter Sally just kind of jumped on board with those, and then we just started doing this podcast because uh albert's channel was actually the poor man's pinball podcast i don't know did you ever listen to the first ones those so i didn't no i didn't that's where we they started doing it when their podcast out of uh madison no okay milwaukee out of milwaukee when we were kind of prospecting moving from florida wisconsin and i was one of the earlier people listening to that show and they were just drunken goofballs And they were really funny. Drew and Ian were like a really funny – they're best friends. They drink all the time. It was a funny pinball show. So they started the Poor Man's Pinball Show, and I was one of the first listeners. So I was one of the first people in their tribe. and then they kind of just fell off and they started the network when everyone was starting networks like i think zach started that right pinball network so then i i don't know they said let's do that so then they started doing that then they stopped doing a pinball show and i jumped on making one and then albert made one so now it's still the poor man's pinball network but we're on there and albert's on there albert does like 18 shows a week and then we do one every other week so right he does a lot of shows albert he does a lot of shows every now and then i'll like click on the website and i'll be like there's like 20 shows since we were here we were here like last week what happened you know he's on patreon too ladies and gentlemen you should always support over albert on patreon it's really great but now i'm like i get so many shows from albert but i don't get burned out the guy makes me laugh i get a big kick out of him and that's good that's what I mean, pinball should be fun. Honestly, at our core, we never want to be like a show that like picks at stuff or nags. Like this is like a very fun thing that we have in our lives. So like mostly us just talking to each other. Yeah. So, you know, and it's so we just like that kind of stuff. We just like the funnier stuff. The, you know, we can examine stuff, talk about Kong or talk about what we like and don't like. But, you know, we always try and take an angle of someone out there loves it. Like my most hated game, you know, my most hated games, that's someone's favorite game. So you just roll with it, man. It doesn't, you know. I love that approach, right? Because you could go Black Knight, Swords of Rage, and people go, oh, I hate that game.

Jamie previously owned World Cup Soccer and lent it to a friend in Houston's pinball community

high confidence · Jamie explains: 'I lent my World Cup soccer to a good friend of mine...because there's only so many times you can beat Germany'

  • Pinball Junk Drawer's philosophy emphasizes fun and positivity over criticism, acknowledging that someone loves every game others might hate

    high confidence · Foghorn states: 'at our core, we never want to be like a show that like picks at stuff or nags' and 'we always try and take an angle of someone out there loves it. Like my most hated game...that's someone's favorite game.'

    • Craft Brew Sally @ N/A — Shows how entry-level/accessible games serve as educational tools for learning pinball fundamentals

    Eureka Heights
    organization
    Iron Maiden LEgame
    World Cup Soccergame
    Godzilla Premiumgame
    Austin Powersgame
    Beatles Goldgame
    Elvira House of Horrorsgame
    Dr. Dudegame
    Woe Nellygame
    Golden Arrow EMgame
    Valley Blue Ribbongame

    medium · Foghorn: 'at our core, we never want to be like a show that like picks at stuff or nags...we always try and take an angle of someone out there loves it'

  • $

    market_signal: Pinball community shows strong preference for arcade location play vs. home ownership among casual/non-technical players; accessibility and economics favor arcade membership over machine purchase

    medium · Jamie states: 'I'm an arcade guy...I go to arcades...I've always been an arcade guy...it makes more sense unless you really are in love with a game to just go and play them out there because it's such an investment'

  • ?

    community_signal: Craft Brew Sally transitioned from non-player to passionate enthusiast through social introduction and tournament experience, demonstrating how peer influence drives engagement

    high · Sally: 'I started in 2018, 2019-ish. I had a friend, John Spates, and he got me addicted to it' and attended first tournament at John's encouragement

  • ?

    product_concern: Specific mechanical difficulty with Iron Maiden LE playfield design; Two Minutes to Midnight mode cited as very difficult to reach, affecting overall game satisfaction

    medium · Jamie: 'it's fantastic but guys it's wicked hard I've never been to two minutes of midnight I can't get the damn thing to two minutes at midnight'

  • ?

    technology_signal: MAME cabinets and multi-game arcade systems integrated into home collections as complement to authentic pinball machines

    medium · Sally's collection includes 'a MAME cabinet, like a nice MAME cabinet. It's just a 42-in-1' and 'Capcom Namco Rock and Bowl'

    • 5:34
    Right? That's someone's favorite game. It's such a great game. I love Black Knight, Swords of Rage. So you're totally right. It's, you know, I love that approach. So let's do a public service announcement, right? real quick get your own rss feed please let's just do it look i don't go to my head i think it would go to my head i'd be like oh man look how popular i am i'm sorry to albert yeah i love you orby orby i love you pinball junk drawer needs their own channel that's gonna be the junk you'd be like our own network what's our network you don't need a network it's just the pinball junk drawer just i'll just keep putting all my crap on there like i'll dig out all the shows from like the kung fu theater and all that so i'll just keep like loading it up with all my nonsense you can do whatever you want that's the beauty of it all right that's the absolute beauty but i highly recommend your own rss feed because it's a great show and i i i don't want it to be buried right i want people to really listen to it because i think you're cool i i think it's just it's just it's a hidden gem if you will that not as many people know about and they need to know about it because i think your positivity and pinball is fantastic the two of you and i appreciate you know we appreciate that she just wrote it down on a notepad so now i'm in trouble that means it's going to happen she she has a note sally made an official note rss so well so you might have started the ball rolling much work go to spotify right here's i'll talk i'll just talk to sally all right here here's the deal you go to spotify you sign up as a creator and it creates a brand new rss feed and then what you do is you upload it to both for the first few weeks and you just tell people we're getting a new rss feed and orbit will be fine he'll he'll understand it's time to Spread your wings.
    7:36
    It's time to spread your wings. You don't need a channel. You don't need a network. You don't need any of that. When the Pinball Network first came out, guys, I was with Wormhole. Oh, okay. So I just thought that they were taking anybody. So I just sent them a note. I'm like, I'm ready to join.
    7:57
    Yeah. And they're like, who are you? They were like, who are you? come on man i'm like i don't know i'm jamie birchley that's who i am let's go how are you i just started this man i don't know what the hell i'm doing that's awesome so you guys lived in st pete yeah yeah clearwater clearwater uh like it was technically i guess well it was largo but it was we had a clearwater unincorporated clearwater address, but right down in Florida. Okay. So I know Florida very, very well. I'm a New Yorker, but I moved to Florida my junior year of high school. Well, we were in Pennsylvania and then as soon as I graduated Penn State then we went down to Clearwater. Look at that. All Yankees moving down to Florida.
    8:50
    Wasn't that crazy? How long were you down there? I was down there my junior year. I went to Florida Southern College in Lakeland, which is not far from where you are. Frank Lloyd Wright, ladies and gentlemen.
    9:05
    That's it. That's the whole campus is Frank Lloyd Wright. It's like one building. No, it's beautiful. Honestly, it's an absolutely gorgeous campus. Right? But he was short. So none of the basketball players could walk through the campus. They had to take other routes.
    9:25
    Because he had all these low ceilings and everything it was really wow so it's a beautiful campus and then i graduated met my beautiful wife janine and we moved to houston texas in 1997 so i was only there skipping a jump but so we were there for three years through a three-year crossover four-year crossover we were down there in 1993 february of 1993 is when we landed officially fell off the turn-up truck, literally. Not literally. Figuratively literally. But we fell in. Two kids from a very small town of Pennsylvania just kind of fell off down there and never were down there before and just made it. Stayed there for a while. Well, you weren't down there. Well, I mean when I was like one or something like that. But you don't remember that kind of crap. It's weird though, the Floridian. Because it's Clearwater's kind of south. I mean, you get some southern aspects, but there's a lot of transplants and clear water. One hour inland, that's where you get the real South experience. Oh, my God. And my fraternity was full of them. And I never had biscuits and gravy in my life. Never even seen white gravy.
    10:37
    I remember one time I did a 150-mile bike ride for MS, and it took us all through those little towns. I was like, I might get murdered in here. I literally, you hear the banjos, you're like, better pedal a little faster. I know. I was like, you a bike rider? No, no. No, I'm going. I'm leaving. Thank you. I'm leaving your little town. Thank you very, very much. And I had a bunch of fraternity brothers from those little towns, and they didn't understand me, and I still don't understand them, to be honest with you. It's okay. Yeah. It's all good. We went to see – when we were down there, we went to check out a pinball machine that was for sale. What was it? A space shuttle. Yeah. And we're driving and driving. This is in Florida. like smaller roads smaller roads smaller we get to it and it's a trailer and all his pinball machines were like on these uneven plywood with like just like a quonset kind of top and i'm sitting there playing and he's out doing something with gators or whatever and i'm i'm like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna politely play this and we're leaving because this is outside it has a hundred percent it's termites in it a hundred percent he's gonna murder us because nobody saw us come in like let's get the hell out of here you know he might have been a nice guy but we left i was like no Deliverance. You got to get that out of there. I was like, are you here for the pinball machine or something else? And we're out. Thank you. Did you guys – did you play a lot of pinball up north? Did you play – were you always pinheads? Were you always this? I wasn't a pinhead, but I played them a lot. Like as a kid, you played them. And then like in college, there was a bar that had like a pin bot, so I would play that. But, you know, you get out of it a little bit. And then, I don't know, we just started finding them down in Florida. I was like, oh, this is cool. This is so fun. You know, and you forgot, you kind of got away for a while, but then we got back into it, you know. I don't think I ever played a. No? When it, before, like growing up, I don't think I ever played a pinball machine. Yeah, I didn't. No? No. When did you start? I started in COVID, right before COVID. Oh, really? Oh, cool. Yeah. I started in 2018, 2019-ish. I had a friend, John Spates, and he got me addicted to it. And I was a golfer.
    12:47
    And I was. I was so bad at golf. I was really good, you know. I thought I was really good. I was like a two or four handicap thinking I was hot shit. But, you know, there's always room for improvement. Her pop was really good. Yeah. Oh, it's awesome. It's addicting. He was shooting like 70s. Yeah, that's really where I stayed at. And I had some fun in there. But then, can you hear the lawnmower going off? Does that bother you? Mm-mm. Okay. That's the good thing about this road caster. It does a good job. Nice. Anyway, pinball just took over that addiction, and now I wish I could go back in time and talk to that kid that moved to Orlando and go, all right, there's going to be something called Bitcoin. You're going to want to buy that and play pinball too.
    13:40
    Exactly. Right? And get out of Bitcoin kind of early, but not too early. And then all pinball from there. Pinball, pinball, pinball. Don't you? It's so funny. I miss that, Sally. I just, I miss that. So then you moved to Wisconsin, and now you're all in on pinball, right? Yeah.
    14:02
    Yeah. Yep. So you've got the whole basement, right? Yeah. Florida, there's no basements in Florida unless you want to hit water. no so it was kind of finally we had room we had one or two machines in florida and i i would buy one and like it'd be on the garage so you're sweating to death and i was like yes you know then you'd sell it and get a different one dining room one was in the dining room that the cats learned how to jump onto and then set the alarm off and then jump off of it was really neat especially over on vacation but uh um it was what do we get we had what do we have first the first Well, I had a bunch of them. Like we had an abracadabra that I fixed up and sold, and I had a couple. Like I won these auctions. They had a thing called Super Auctions in Florida, and these were janky at best. But you'd go to Orlando, and you're in this huge, like a huge airplane hangar, and it's just nothing but people drinking since 7 a.m. and like machines as far as I can see. And half of them have termites, so you've got to get there early and like do your homework, otherwise you're in trouble. you know so every now and then i bring a like a wacky i brought an air hockey table home like one of those gigantic ones and i bought like a bingo machine those are wicked fun though 40 bucks i got it for 40 bucks 40 dollars no everyone there was a there was a fleet of them and this guy starts the bidding and everyone's literally sitting there like in their head going how do i get this home what is this actually what is it does it work so i put my hand up and said like 40 bucks he's like sold and i was like okay i guess i got this for 40 i hope someone will help me load it you know and then we got like bingo machines i got a bingo machine for five bucks somewhere and i'm like just but then we got the austin powers that was the first one that we bought like new in box we didn't even know you could do that like i didn't even know you could buy a new one box like it didn't so i i found this thing online and i bought it because we like the movie believe it or not and then it came from like cal it came from california and i'm like driving home with it on the back of a little nissan pickup truck hoping it doesn't rain on me. It was just like every new purchaser that had no idea what pinball is, you're like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. We're trying to set it up. But that was the one we had for a long time.
    16:14
    We traded that one and some money for the Beatles, which was a good buy. Beatles is good. That's a good upgrade. Good upgrade. That was our pick up. Sorry.
    16:25
    I just don't like Awesome Powers. It's a terrible game. It taught me those five shots. Yeah, like there's the fan shots. I talked about it on there, I think. I said those five shots are like very standard in pinball. So Austin Powers taught me those five shots, like how to find them on almost any fan layout game. I'm like, okay, that's the little mini-me shot. That's the dead center shot. But I shot them so many times on Austin Powers. It kind of helped me learn that stuff, you know. But, yeah. So what was your first game? World Cup soccer.
    17:05
    That's a lot of people's first game, isn't it? You know, I've told this story before real quick, but I got sucked into going to a tournament. I went up there just to see them, just to watch pinball and just to play. And they paid my entry, 15 bucks. John Spates paid my entry. He's like, the first one's free. The rest is going to cost you. Yeah, the rest is on you. The rest, you're going to get addicted. And I was like, I don't want to play pinball for eight hours. But I did, had the best time, and World Cup Soccer was my first game that I played in the tournament. And there was a woman, Gina Lowe, and she sweetly said, don't just score goals.
    17:50
    Hit these loops. Look at this round ball. You want to get the ball, and then you're going to hit this scoop when it says final draw. Because that's all you want to do on this. And I was like, okay, I think I can do that. And I did it. And I got multiball like the first time I played it. And I was like, that's it. That's cool. Because I'm a soccer nut to this day. I started on a soccer podcast. Really? Nice. Yeah. Cool. I was the dumb American in 2008 on a Celtic, Glasgow Celtic FC podcast. that would get like 10,000 downloads a podcast, right? And that's when you counted downloads, not views back in the day. And I was just the dumb American that would come on for 15, 20 minutes to tell them how stupid they were as Euros. And it was like a comedy thing for me. Because I went to Florida Southern to study communications. I wanted to be on the radio.
    18:52
    Yeah. And they shut down their com program my freshman year. so I just thank you and of course I had a girlfriend at the time so I was in love so I had to stay there and this just scratches the itch right this is what it does it scratches the itch it gives me an avenue to talk to people that I would never talk to and get to know them and have fun with it it's one of my favorite things to do is podcasting it really really is I don't think you'd be as enthusiastic if you would have gotten to radio I think you'd be like I hate humans so much. Probably. Like the blinking lights and just like, oh, my God. Probably. I don't know. Maybe not. Who knows? It's not a regret in life because I've been able to do some great things, but it is something that I think I've got a good radio voice, if you will. Yeah. You know, definitely have a face for radio, so that would have been great. So that's a stupid joke. Right there with you. Even when we did the TV show, we were never on air. I was always like we dressed as like an evil clown or a big bear. Like we'd do skits and smash stuff. And I was always dressed up as something wacky. Many shenanigans. Shenanigans all over. Sally, did you get on? Were you on the TV show as well? I was. Just my voice. Yep. Just your voice, that's it? Just my voice. Well, a couple times there was one skit where we were in black belts. We were actually in Bushido. We were in black belts. and there was one where our exchange student like we were facing off like street fighter and then like sally kicked me in the nuts and i fell down that's how she was on there for that one all right one time are these one time on youtube no no why don't you do all right sally get your notebook out okay these these aren't safe for our environment now like that's what we were talking about i was it was the night it was like 90 97 to 2 no 98 to 2007 and the skits were crazy are like our our scripts were really wild but they weren't you couldn't play them today you know like the the how people view things that you said and the way you talked back then it's not you know i was talking to one of the guys that was a tech at the studio because i was helping him and i was doing editing for other people and he was like think you know he's like you can't really show that because people would just think it's hate speech when it wasn't even ever that way like it wasn't meant that way comedy's all based in sadness you're just trying to make people laugh and you're not putting money you're not getting money you're just doing this because you love to do some art right there's no money in any of this no like i went back and watched some of them And I was like, I laughed, but I was like, oh, oh, my, no. Nope, nope, can't put that one out. That's considered a hate crime now. I'm not doing that. Oh, boy. But they're funny. You know, we didn't ever mean nothing by nothing. No, I said some stupid things on that podcast. Yes. You know, I would make fun of Europeans' teeth all the time. Like, I would do stupid things. And I didn't mean to. I mean, I meant to, but it was just fun, you know. Time makes fools of us all, I believe the saying goes. They were joking one time Because it's a Scottish podcast And they were joking one time About the loneliest job In Scotland They were talking about a manager In Scotland that had lost a lot of games I said The loneliest job in Scotland has got to be a dentist And they lost It was really funny But I don't care what anyone says I got so much crap on the message boards because nobody had an email and there was no ims there was just message boards right yeah and i'm like oh it's american thinking our teeth are terrible i'm like well you are okay you don't have fluoride you guys gotta work on that so that's awesome you move up there and you've got a basement and now this is a fun zone right it's a fun zone you got cats in a basement Let's just go. Let's go. Let's do it, right? How many games are in there now? Well, we have a MAME cabinet, like a nice MAME cabinet. It's just a 42-in-1. And then we have the Capcom Namco Rock and Bowl. Which is awesome. That's that real retro-styled bowling game.
    23:25
    Then we have Woe Nelly and Dr. Dude and Godzilla Premium, Alvira House of Horrors Beatles Gold and we have an old 1934 Valley Blue Ribbon it's a car, a flipperless car one that I restored and now we have a Golden Arrow EM up in the garage that I'm working on and what we do is we play it for a while to see if it's going to make it down the steps because once it's down the steps, unless times get hard, it ain't going back up the steps So we've got to make sure that this can earn its keep. And if it's good, then we'll bring it down. If you have a basement, you have no idea how brutal that has got to be. You'd have to – well, you could call Jack and Nicole Minnie. Doesn't he have a stair-masher thing that he sells? Can I borrow your Escalera? And he'll be like, well, you can buy one. I'm not going to let you borrow one. I'll be like, can I borrow one of those from you for a while? He'll be like, no, I don't think so. Right. Can I borrow your network too? No? Okay. When it goes down there, it's down there, man. Yeah. I played my G.I. Joe's like a lunatic down there. So what do you have? What's in your lineup? Right now, you know, I'm an arcade guy. I go to arcades. And, you know, I went to the Wormhole a lot, and then I go to Eureka Heights. It's where I hang out. Okay. And so I lent my World Cup soccer to a good friend of mine, and he's – because there's only so many times you can beat Germany. No offense to the game. once you beat Germany a couple of times you're kind of like you're done with it but I don't want to get rid of it because I love it so I let them Houston's community some of us let us borrow games and right now I'm borrowing an LE Iron Maiden nice and it's fantastic but guys it's wicked hard I've never been to two minutes of midnight I can't get the damn thing to two minutes at midnight. And my whole goal, like every time I play now, it's not to score. It's to get through mode. Yeah. And to see if I can get to two minutes at midnight because I can get to Cyborg quite often, and that's just like a nice little mini wizard. But it's fun. Isn't it the best, though? Isn't pinball – like it's so fun. So what are you – you know, I was going to ask you what's bolted to the floor, but anything in the basement is bolted to the floor. Unless times get tough, then things start getting sold. But we're hoping that doesn't happen. Well, there's big people in Wisconsin, so you can hire some football players or something. Yeah, no kidding. I would say that Godzilla and Elvira are probably never leaving the house. Yeah, probably not. I mean, the Dr. Dude is – did I say Dr. Dude? Yeah, you did. Oh, I did? Yeah, you did. That's a fun one, and that's one that we restored together where we, like, bondo the cab and re-stickered and like really did a full-on we didn't do a playfield swap but we tore it down and really did a lot of work on it so i'm like we're proud of that one we got the powder coated and like it's a really wild looking game i don't think we would turn that great man yeah it's shallow but fun it's so it's it's the most 90s thing i've ever seen honestly like if i could get like don johnson standing next to it or something like that i'd be like well there it is That's the 90s right there. I like party tones, though, too.
    26:50
    I always get jealous. I always get jealous at Stern when we're there and watch those people put those stickers on the side of the cabinets. It takes them, like, 50 seconds. It doesn't take that. It takes way longer than that. We were doing the bottom, and Crabby and Sally was in charge of, like, the sticker, and I was kind of just holding it or helping. And it took, I think, like an hour. We were, like, screwing around and making sure it was perfect, you know, and all this stuff. But you're like, you watch those guys and you're like, next. You're like, wow. Yeah. Wow. Like I stand there in awe.
    27:23
    She watches, when we're doing Stern Factory Tours, she'll watch that guy doing that more than like the rest of the tour, I think. Because you're like, how? How do you do that? Yeah. Well, he does thousands. He's done 10,000 of them. That's why he's so good at it. He's had 10,000 hours. You guys had one hour and you tried. It took you one hour. That's why. Boy, the Maiden, I will say the Maiden was one of those games where everyone loved it and i would play it every now and then and it was like kind of clunk fest i'm like why do people love this and then one time i blew it up i was like oh and i'm like all the songs are different songs i'm going through them and i'm just like i'm like that guy in the arcade and i was like now i get it and i never hated the game but i could never do very much with it and then after i blew it up that one time i was like oh am i you know it was just crazy it was It's that aha, right? You're like, yeah. And you walk away going, I love that game. I do love it. It doesn't get – I'm not sick of it yet. I'm not sick of it. I've had it for like five months, and I rotate them out because I only have room. We raised our family in South Houston.
    28:28
    I've got two boys and a grandson, and they're out of the house. So we downsized and rented a nice little bungalow in greater Houston. Like we're in a real cool hipster part, which is kind of funny. Why not, right? Why not? Just me and my wife. So we only have room for one. And I've never been a collector, though. I've always been an arcade guy. Why not? It's almost like I always kind of look at this stuff. We have a lineup, and I don't mind that. But it makes more sense unless you really are in love with a game. to just go and play them out there because it's such an investment and it's such a... I don't have the technical abilities that you two possess.
    29:14
    Okay? So if something goes wrong, I'm screwed. Anyone out there help me? Someone will come and help you. I'm not the guy that goes on the pin side, gets advice, and then can fix it. I'm not a tinkerer. I don't know how to change my oil. I've never known how to change my oil. I'm just not that guy. I'm going to outsource. I'm an outsourcer.
    29:43
    Well, I would say I'm not a tinkerer because there's some guys that will just play something like, oh, that's off, and they'll pull the glass up and they'll start screwing around. Those things are amazing, aren't they? They are. I'm not that. I keep it running and I make sure everything's really nice, but then once the glass is on, it's going to be on for a while. I don't like go around with them. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to play you for a while before I can open you up. I can barely take the glass off. Well, that's okay. Sometimes they're really hard. I can barely take the Elvira's glass off. I'm like, I had to spray water in there to help it get out. I'm like, oh, my God. She's so nice. We like trying to figure out how to like I think he had to loosen the track so that it wasn so tight I never that was the weirdest thing The Elvira came and you couldn get the glass out And like I was like I going to smash this thing And then that a real mess And like I loosened the bolts on the armor And then I like kind of took a green pad and scraped down the plastic tracks. Now it's easier. But wow. I was like, this is nuts. It would get stuck halfway. And I'm like, this is going to smash. This is, we're in real trouble here. I didn't know. I didn't know if I could take it out. I didn't know if I could put it. I'm like, oh my God, this is a disaster. but then it hasn't happened yet so we're all right so godzilla bolted to the ground yeah well i'm a godzilla fan like i cannot play that game no i can't it's 80 million or maybe 200 that's my tops i don't understand it and i love l1 it's just a game that you know we were talking earlier about Black Knight, people don't like it.
    31:20
    Godzilla is a game that is beloved and I can't play it. Help me. I just popped 1.8 billion on a three ball. Just had it. Just lit it up. And I was out of nowhere. I'm playing it. I just kept playing and playing. I was like, yeah. And I still walked away going, I could have got more. I could have got two billion, I bet. I missed a couple, one shot away and you're like, ugh. But I don't know. I can't hit the orbit ramp, the left orbit ramp. You know how it starts as an orbit and it comes up? Oh. Yeah. Jamie can't hit it. Yeah, that one, it almost feels like whenever I'm trying to hit that one, that one that goes up onto the wire form, I feel like I'm letting the ball drain off the flipper that I hit it last second. That gets that one. Okay. I can never hit that one that's a spinner tight left unless the ball is kind of If it stopped, then you can do it. But stall ball, but other than that, you're in some trouble. I can never get that shot going. But it's a great – you know, Elwin designs are so incredible. It is. It's just one of those games that I panic on, and I don't have the flow down. And I need to go to Eureka and just hit – because I got a premium there, and I just got to put more time in it, Sally. Darn it. I just got to put more time on it.
    32:45
    I'm the same. I like to play. I'm not a great player. I mean, occasionally I get a really great game on. I mean, I think my Godzilla is like 300. Well, time on.
    33:02
    When Crafty Versailles first started, she didn't play a whole lot. But as the years have gone along, she's gotten way better. Because she competes where I don't. she's like so she'll go to the ladies yeah right because i hear her learning tricks and yeah she's learning stuff and i'm kind of just sitting here in my basement going i know everything i need to know no i don't ever say that but i like i mostly go to hang out with the ladies yeah you know do you love it do you love playing competitively but mostly in the in the women's leagues i liked i mean more so going to hang out with the ladies than playing but um there's the bells and chimes of the fox valley that is does a local one and i see rachel there a lot so um oh rachel risto yes yes isn't she lovely oh i know i love her oh man i love her so the only time i ever compete is the like lumberjack johnny's does a new year's
    34:05
    tournament party thing that's like kind of the only one of the year i ever do and i'm just there I can compete, but I don't focus on it. How far is Lumberjack's Johnny's from your house? 20 minutes. Oh, that's not bad. No, less than that. It's like 8 or 10. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's real close. And they have a big lineup, right? They do. Incredible. It is incredible, their lineup. How many machines?
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    Did they say they just did an expansion? I think they said they have room for 30. Yep. That's fantastic. and he's on the list his distributor gets him like he gets harry potter he gets like the new stuff the dune coming like the harry potter he had in was the one that they were like showing off or it didn't even have a serial number in the back it was like that goodness what did they call it yeah like promo something like yeah yeah display model and they were sending those outside he got one of those in the house before he even got it like we're playing i was like wow wow the first He has two locations. I'm sorry to cut you off. He has two locations. One of them was up in Green Bay. This is the first time we ever went to one. I walk in there and these were from his collection. All CEs. I walked up to these CEs. I was like, this is $25,000 because this is COVID times. And the topper's like $8,000. It had the RGD2 topper. I was like, in the wild, you're like, I was blown away. I couldn't believe what I was looking at. This little room and I'm like, holy crap. This guy It has $100,000 over there.
    35:37
    It's neat that you're collectors, but you've got a place 10 minutes away that has all the machines, right? Yeah, right. What a great balance. What a great place. Yeah. Because you want to see different stuff and play different stuff, you know. There's so much out there. So you have the Dune?
    35:51
    They had Dune? Yep. What else did they have new? Oh, I can't remember. Well, they – What did you think of Dune? Oh, I loved it. We loved Dune. And I don't even like the Dune movies, but the first time we played them, we were down in Madison. Yeah. We were at the IO Arcade. Yeah. Okay. And I was like, this game is awesome. Like, the shots are cool, and it's the sound and the integration. It was just fun. We really loved it. We got back, and I was like, I got to go play Dune again. I want to go play Dune. Like, you know, I was surprised. Got that one more game feel. Yeah. Have you played it yet? Yeah, I got to play it multiple times. I've played it at – so I'm very good friends with Travis Moseman, who is one of the designers on the game, with David Van Ness. Oh, cool. Nice. And I have a huge Barrels of Fun love for those people. And they helped put me personally on the map with their commercial. Do you remember the Labyrinth commercial? I don't know if you remember, but it was like – Their feature, not their feature, but their teaser video of a woman leaning in. And we filmed this at the wormhole where she leans in and sees Labyrinth and she walks up and starts playing the game. Well, that is my very good friend, Aaron Winnick Anthony.
    37:17
    And so we are I've just done a lot of work with Barrels of Fun. That's cool. It is so cool. They're the nicest people. They're a really well-run company, and I love them. I really do. Call me a shill for them. I just don't care. They're bringing it. Yeah. They are bringing it, and they got a lot of flack for the launch of Dune, okay? Very similar to what's kind of happening right now with the launch of Walking Dead Remastered because they don't have a lot of assets on it. Right. I got to play it last night, and it still has pending license or approval written on it. Now, that stuff doesn't bother me, guys, okay, because I know it's going to get better with the code, right? Right. Stern's going to handle it. Yeah. They're working on it. There's good people working on it. Yeah. It'll be fine, yeah. And I kept saying the same thing with Dune. There's great people working on this. It's going to be great, and it is great. And I know they're selling a bunch more because with the success of Winchester, which came out of nowhere, right? That game was incredible. That's an incredible game. Right. We played that at Expo. I was like, this is so cool. How many people are visiting that house now because of that? Yeah. I know. That's the first thing I did. I was like, what is the Winchester house? Yeah.
    38:41
    I just assumed it was a made-up thing, but it wasn't. I was like, wait, what? And you read about it. You're like, oh, that's so cool, you know. Yeah. I just thought it was make-believe, like, you know, Ghost House. But it was a real thing. Like, when I played that, I couldn't believe it. I think the – who's the owner?
    38:57
    David Van Ness. Now, he was next to me when I was talking to him when we were playing. I was like, this was a schooling on how to release a game. Because it just was like, here's the teaser, here's the game, sold out, bang. This is awesome. You know, people lost their minds when they started playing that game. It was so fun. They sold out before they even got to Expo. And, again, I'm a little spoiled. I got a text on a Sunday from David, and he said, can you come to the factory tonight? I said, yeah, I'm coming. And I thought they – I didn't know what they were going to show me. I didn't know what – I was under NDA anyway, so I was like, okay. I go into this back room, and there is Carl D'Angelo and David Van Ness, and they show me Winchester. And I was blown away. And you know what? After I played it, I was, like, playing it and interviewing them at the same time, not on camera. Yeah. And I said, I stopped mid-ball, and I said, you guys are going to steal Expo. Yeah. You're going to steal it. And they go, well, you know, they were very humble. They were very humble. And I said, no, no, really. This is incredible. Yeah. For a first design, let alone any design, it's outstanding. And they nailed it. And I think what the Winchester success is showing people, hey, let's go. I can't get a Winchester, but I can sure as hell buy a Dune. And maybe they'll get some more sales. I hope so, guys. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I didn't know who Carl D'Angelo was. And then through that release, I was like, oh, he's like this super competition player, and he really knows pinball. Like, I didn't know. You just don't know people. And I heard someone talking about it. I was like, oh. And then I went and found out. I was like, oh, that makes sense why it shoots so good, because he shoots. He knows how to make good shots. He knows how to make good choices. I've been kind of surprised at how awesome Barrels of Fun was.
    41:15
    With the very first releases, as they come out, I'm like, this company's really nailing it. They're going to find their niche. They might not take down Stern. They might not take down JJP. I don't think that's their goals in life, just to be a very good company probably, and they're doing that. They provide great pinball machines to the public.
    41:35
    I knew Carl right about the same time I tried to join the Pinball Network, I reached out to Carl D'Angelo and he was doing I Eat Pinball. And he still does I Eat Pinball. And he, which is a great stream, ladies and gentlemen, if you're not familiar, and you too should totally watch anything Carl does, produces, I Eat Pinball.
    41:57
    She's jotting it down, so it's official. It's on the list. On the list. He helped me tremendously when I was streaming tournaments on what to do and what to buy and how to build the rig and without carl d'angelo i would never have streamed anything i think didn't didn't dennis creasel say that he was the first one to do that and kind of made the template for turning for how streaming how tournament pinball stream now i remember because i i really shout out to dennis creasel i really enjoy his content on air he's a very intelligent person and he's very funny too but he was the one that was kind of saying Carl D'Angelo was made the template for pinball streaming. He did. I watched that episode on the pinball. I always watch the pinball show. Yeah. It's a good show. It was kind of giving a resume of Carl D'Angelo for people that don't know him. And, yeah, Carl – and here I am trying to, you know, not compete, but just showcase the wormhole and show what we had there. and without Carl I never would have started any of this so shout out to him and you know I apologize to him again when I saw him I'm like you know I asked you an awful lot of questions and I'm really sorry he didn't care I guarantee he's like more content's better yeah more content's better I always kind of never kind of understood the people kind of competing there's no competing in podcasts and it's you can dump unlimited amounts out there no one is No one's your competition. We're all supposed to be helping boost each other up. We're not making any money, people. No one is making any money. No, no. Okay. According to – well, yeah. We've never made any money. Well, there's one person making money. There's – and I like him. I like Kaneda. Whatever. He makes me laugh. But there's only one or two, a couple of us. But you guys have merch on Silver Ball Swag, right? Yeah. Give a shout out to Silver Ball Swag. I've got some merch on Silver Ball Swag. That guy's great, man. What a nice dude. Yep. I was talking to a guy at my work because he's doing his own thing and he's starting to get into editing and he's starting to do this and that. I said, find someone that will do that for you because I'm not going to sell my merch. I just am not going to. So if you find someone who that's their job, give them a cut. Everyone's happy. He'll sell your stuff. And that's how it's working. So he was like, oh, that's a good idea. I said, if you're good at it, then do it, but I'm not. And I said, so if you're not, then let someone else handle it. Outdoors. Yep. Outdoors. Exactly. Yeah. No one's getting rich, but you get a couple shirts out there, a couple behind classes out there. It's all good, you know. So if anyone doesn't listen to Pinball Junk Drawer, you need to. They're going to get their own RSS channel soon. But they are on the Pinball Poor Man's Podcast Network. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Network. You see what I'm saying, too? That's too long. It rolls off the tongue, man.
    45:02
    Shout out to you, Liam. It rolls. It's top of my list. Okay. Anyway. Let's do it today. You guys. Let's not get crazy. You guys have a good relationship with Glenn Wechter. Yep. Yes. And he does your music. He does. Yeah, he does Crapper Sally's, yeah, Mustang Sally. Rip off Homage Yeah homage Sorry I turned Tino this up An homage to He's also done A beer commercial for us Oh he has Yeah Don you think He the most talented On You know I think he wicked talented He did all of the music for the JBS show He does all of our announcements For the round table That's Glenn He did the Twippies last year He did all the announcements for the Twippies I haven't paid him a dime And he just loves doing it So shout out to Glenn Thank you so much for everything you do I'm glad that he got on board With that crew that's doing the custom stuff. He does the homebrew stuff and I'm like, perfect. That's the kind of energy you want on your team because he's going to find stuff and make stuff and do cool stuff and you're going to be like, yes! So he'll do cool stuff. Did you play Monster League Hockey? Yes. How good is that? It was fun. It was breaking a little bit because of course it was a prototype. It's brand new. We didn't hold it against it. We got to the third quarter. Who won, I think? Did you win? Was it tied? I think it ended on a tie, and we were like, all right, we'll take it. I kicked Ralph's ass. Oh, yeah. I just beat the hell out of him on it. He had no chance. Now, how long have you been hanging out with Ralph?
    46:53
    About a year and a half with that clown. Because he was all in arcade, right? Yeah, he was an arcader. And I got introduced to him through Kale Hernandez. Okay. And I got introduced to Kale and Rachel from Emoto. Yeah. This world is just bananas. She's awesome. Yeah, she is the most awesome. She's one of my absolute favorites, right? And so I did a podcast with Rachel and Kale and Ralph, and it went really well. And I just had this idea. I said, three guys talking pinball.
    47:34
    But it's kind of different. Not like Triple Drain, just a little different. Not as technical, but all coming from different aspects. Like, I'm the arcader, you run an arcade, Kale, with Rachel, and you are the home collector, Ralph. And it's done really well. It's been a really blast. Yeah. When I listen to Rachel and Kale, the electric bat, it's really interesting because they are from a what makes us money, what is popular. How does this hold up in the wild kind of a viewpoint? And that's what Lumberjack Johnny's now. They're like with us where they give us the numbers each week. I love that. Yeah, and it's so surprising to me. It's always like, wow, like why would this be there? And it kind of doesn't seem like there's a rhyme or reason, but they're just one week something will blow up and you go, that's okay. No, I think it helps. And Rachel and Cale would not care, doesn't care at all. Well, me and the guys that run Eureka Heights is my place that I go to.
    48:36
    He'll come in my backyard and we do the Rachel and Kale earnings report on his place just for me. He does it not even for anyone. Okay. He goes, you're not going to believe this, but like they just bought a Looney Tunes.
    48:53
    And they have 26 machines, all Stern, J.J.P., Harry Potter, Evil Dead. they have an entire spooky row shout out to your guides they taylor and john sorry anyway we do these earnings reports looney tunes is kicking everyone's ass how is that possible it's a good theme that is a great theme you know it was one not that long ago that was well batman 66 popped up and i'm like that game's like really old but it just i mean it just is it just like lit up one week. That's really cool.
    49:26
    It's like Godzilla's been in the top and then one week it was one of the bottom performers. It was really weird. Do they do those dollar pops games at Lumberjacks?
    49:40
    Where it costs an extra dollar for the month. It's like a high score game. No, they don't. No. Okay, so Electric Bat does it. Eureka Heights does it. Arcades Across America do it. There is a special tournament button that you can put on a stern that you then would charge an extra dollar, and it keeps the progress for the month.
    50:05
    And whoever gets the high score gets the divvy up of the $100 or $200 that it earns. Lumberjacks has the panels on the wall where it shows the leaderboards. But this is separate of the leaderboard. It's called a TOPS. Yeah. Okay, and there's a special Tops button that you can get. I'm sure anyone can please explain this to them better than Jamie. We'll have to explain it to them because this place would go crazy with that. Fox Cities is out of the air. When you have a game on the Tops, like this month at Eureka Heights, it's Rush. Now, Rush is not a huge earner, but this month it earned because of the Tops game. So arcades across, you know, all over the United States are doing some really great things for their earnings. And if the electric bat started every arcade giving out their earnings report, they would love it. Yeah, I would. That is one thing I've been so kind of, I don't want to say pleased about, but so happy that the resurgence of arcades, barcades, just it was kind of on the way out. You know, and you're like, I'm going to miss that. Yeah. And now, even though a place will be mostly pinball, well, they're going to have some arcade games there. They're going to have something different or something unique. That IO bar had the whole front end of the building was nothing but those retro games. And then as you got back further, there was the newer stuff. And then there was the pinball room and skeeble. And you're like, that's so cool. I would have never thought you'd have that until the resurgence kind of happened. And you're like, yeah.
    51:39
    I always drop money. I always say let's drop a couple bucks, keep them in business because that is – I don't want that to go away again because it's sad when it does. I would hate that to go away. Growing up, we had arcades and then they went away and I was like, well, damn. Yeah.
    51:53
    Now what? So that's been awesome to see that resurgence. I would be remiss if I didn't ask Sally about when she started this craft brewing. When did you get into craft brewers? when did you get into drinking them and loving them so much?
    52:14
    Like around 2014, I think. And it all started with Untappd. You can get badges on Untappd. And I'm all about badges. Much like Stern's Insider Connect. It's a beer drinker's Insider Connect. But then I started saving the labels from them. because beer labels, they're so beautiful.
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    There are some that are just incredible. Like one of the places, one of the breweries we used to go to when we were in Florida was called Arcane, which is my absolute favorite brewery, and I miss them terribly. But they did a, it was a Starry Night background with Godzilla in it, And I was like, I know you're not going to send me this beer, but will you send me this label? And they sent me the label. Yeah, they sent her the label, you know. I need that. And that was the craft brew segment actually happened one time. The poor man's pinball tribe, they did this weird call where Glenn started. I think Glenn was the one that started it. He just starts randomly calling people. And if you pick up while you're talking to Glenn, then he just starts calling everyone else. It was this huge, like, tribe phone call. And we're walking around with the camera, and they see Crafter Sally with this gigantic book. Writing in it. Writing and stuff. And they're like, what is this? And it's like a Crafter journal. And they went nuts with it. No way. Yeah. Because it's like a chronicling of, and then I started joking that, like, after the apocalypse, like, people will seek out Crafter Sally's journal, because that's where they'll know, like, all the history of beer making. It'll be this one archive thing that they're going to try to get in the rubble. And then that's when it kind of rolled into Craft for Sally's segment. And then, of course, Glenn went with it. So it was just one of those real funny things because they were laughing. They're like, what? And then she's holding it up, and it's just page after page of all the notes about it. It was really funny. So it was just, you know. Well, I love that segment. I love it.
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    Everyone's favorite segment. I barely drink. Okay? I have a power of a 12-year-old. So, okay. Yeah, that's good. I love that segment. I love what she, you know, talks about it, and it cracks me up. It's really fun. I go on long walks, and your podcast is one of my first when I start the walk. That really means a lot. What I love about it really, we'll wrap up here, is what I love about what you guys do, seriously, is the positivity. because there's so much damn negativity in this hobby. We're a niche of a niche of a niche. We're a pimple on a niche, okay? Yeah. And when I just go on these walks, I just want to exit the world for a little while, and I just want to do my three miles and listen to fun people that love this hobby as much as I do, and you guys nail it. So thank you so much for everything you do for this community. You can find them on the Pinball Go ahead, do it Foreman's Pinball Podcast Network Or you can just search Pinball Juncture on any of the places that stream Pinball I got you guys Soon to be on Spotify And all RFSDs everywhere I'm sorry Sally I'm sorry Don't be sorry That means a lot thank you for the compliments. You know, we started out kind of, that's kind of how we are in life. I'm not going to be a negative person. If I am, then I just walk away from it because I'm not here to do, I don't need that, you know. And that's, I guess, age brings wisdom. Sadly, getting a little gray up top. And by gray, I mean white. So as you get older, you know, you're just like, I don't need that nonsense. You don't need to be so negative about stuff. And we're just not, that's not what it's about, you know. No, I love your takes, and I love the camaraderie that you have on air. It's really great, and in life. So, again, getting to meet you. Are you going to any – do you have any tournaments that you're coming up to, or where can people see you? Our next thing, I think, is going to be New Year's Eve at Lumberjack Johnny's. Yeah, New Year's Eve at Lumberjack Johnny's. And a lot of the Fox City guys are there. They're competing. That's kind of like where Fox City Pinball? No, Fox City Streaming, I think. Yeah. It's Foxy's pinball. Okay. They're kind of out of Lumberjack Johnny's now. They have it hardwired. I guess part of the remodel was some hardwiring that they can do more of the screening there. Tom's another one. Okay. To give a shout out to Tom Graff, he's another one that I annoyed the hell out of in the beginning. Okay. Did he help you? Totally. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I told everyone in this community will really help you if you're interested in doing what we do. OK, yeah, if you have, they will roll out the carpet for you and show you everything you need to do. And I've been fooling with a YOLO box and all these things now. And now Carl's fooling with it and Ralph. And we're all just helping each other because it's not competition, like you said before. It's just it's just trying to have some fun, not fighting over dollars. No one's buying it. No. We both know. There ain't no dollars to be fighting over. The only dollars are going in the machines, and that's just fine. And that's where we want them to go. Go to dollars, go to machines, go to your home. Go Patreon me. Go Patreon the next pinball machine you see, and let's keep these things rolling. Yeah. I don't have a Patreon. I don't think anyone wants to pay for this, and they don't need to. If it ever crossed my mind, I'd be like, but then I would be on the hook for content that means something. I don't want that. I don't need that. Yeah, I do this because I love it. I don't do this for anything else, but I just have an absolute blast doing this. I really do. That's important. I get yelled at that I talk too much over the guests, so if I did that to you today. I feel the same way. I'm talking over you. You're still talking over me. I've got to tell this story before I forget it. That's my problem. I have to say it because my brain doesn't hold it in as long as I, you know. One second, it's gone. I'm like a goldfish, so I've got to say it immediately. No worries. Hey, I had an absolute blast with you two. Thank you so much. Thank you for doing it on such short notice, too. I really appreciate it. I'll always talk into a microphone. I don't care.
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    I'm so happy that I've gotten to meet you and to talk with you. Us, too. Us, as well. And this has been fantastic. Thank you, everyone, so much.
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    This will be up next week, if you're okay with that. Yeah, whenever. She said it out on the swearing. No, I'm kidding. It was necessary. I think I said damn it once. I'm joking.
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    I'm the Ed Wood of podcasting. I don't edit anything out unless it's really bad or crap. It's always like time out. No, nope.
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    I'll stop and I take it out and I literally just drop it. I'm sure you edit more than Orbital Albert who has zero edits on his podcast. No, we don't. Seriously. It's the way it goes. I turn it off, I save it, and I upload it within like three minutes.
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    I don't do anything. It's like right off the cuff. I'm a pain in the ass with myself because I freak out because once real quick a couple of months ago I made fun of George Gomez and his mic I heard that because I was like because it's a crappy mic I mean come on right anyway so if mine is bad now because of that podcast do you know how much crap I'm going to get So I go through it all. He's going to send you a custom back glass that he had made from the artist department saying, your mic sucks, and it'll be your picture on it. Yeah, your mic sucks, Virgil. Do you sign this for me, George? I need it to be on my wall. That'd be the best. No. So that's why. Ladies and gentlemen, that's why. All right, Crafty Sally, Foghorn Leghorn, thank you so much. Thanks for having us. Good luck, Junk Drawer. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, bye, guys. Bye.
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    Bye.