SMS Round 2 - Sept 6

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·10m 22s·analyzed·Sep 6, 2025

Analysis

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TL;DR

Kaneda argues pinball market faces reckoning as inelastic demand assumption fails; location play will win over expensive home ownership.

Summary

Kaneda discusses broader pinball market dynamics, questioning manufacturer expectations around inelastic demand and price increases. He critiques specific games like Predator (missing Arnold Schwarzenegger) and Star Wars ($13k price point), argues that the home collector model is economically unsustainable, and predicts operators will benefit most as casual buyers retreat. He emphasizes that pinball's real value lies in social play at locations rather than isolated home ownership.

Key Claims

Pinball companies were expecting inelastic demand and thought people would keep buying without noticing lack of mechanical innovation.
high confidence · Kaneda directly states this as his assessment of manufacturer assumptions.
Predator cannot work without Arnold Schwarzenegger in the game, making the $12-15k price point unjustifiable.
high confidence · Kaneda explicitly calls this a conference-room-level failure that should have killed the project.
Home collector model is economically broken: buyers lose $4,000+ on a $13k machine that gains no value.
high confidence · Kaneda contrasts modern pricing with historical model where games gained value.
Operators want Star Wars and other new releases to flop on home/collector market so people will seek them out on location.
high confidence · Kaneda reports conversations with operator friends about their preference for home market failure.
Spooky's Beetlejuice at $9,999 will create pricing problems for competing games like Dune and Star Wars.
high confidence · Kaneda predicts market impact based on aggressive Spooky pricing strategy.
Multimorphic P3 platform is 'a solution in search of a problem' because the hobby doesn't want swappable playfields.
medium confidence · Kaneda expresses skepticism about P3 value proposition based on community feedback.
Stern Star Wars game may be mediocre with poor marketing launch but still sell 5-8,000 units due to IP strength.
medium confidence · Kaneda predicts two contradictory outcomes can happen simultaneously.
Stern may hide behind licenser approval to delay Star Wars reveal; Kaneda thinks the teaser went out too early.
medium confidence · Speculation about Stern's marketing strategy and potential licenser constraints.

Notable Quotes

“You can't make Predator without Arnold. It's that simple. Much harder to do that than even Alien without Ripley because it just doesn't work.”
Kaneda @ ~3:30 — Core argument for why Predator is a fundamentally failed game concept at any price point.
“You buy a $13,000 pinball machine that has a coin mech in it that's set up to make money. The game was designed to make money and you bought it, put it in your home, make no money off of it, and lose $4,000 on top of what you paid for it.”
Kaneda @ ~5:00 — Articulates the broken economics of the premium home collector model.
“When I talk to my friends who are operators, they actually want the game to flop on a collector level and a consumer home buying level because if Star Wars doesn't do well and you don't want to buy it for your home, then you're going to seek it out on location.”
Kaneda @ ~6:30 — Reveals operator perspective and misalignment with manufacturer interests.
“The whole platform is a solution in search of a problem because the whole hobby has telegraphed to him that we don't have a problem having machines that don't have swappable playfields.”
Kaneda @ ~9:00 — Criticizes Multimorphic P3 fundamental value proposition.
“Nothing is more fun than just getting together with your boys and having some beers and talking about the hobby. More fun than even playing.”
Kaneda @ ~12:00 — Core philosophy: social location play is superior to isolated home ownership.
“I think Stern could have a mediocre Star Wars game with a horrible marketing launch and still sell 5 to 8,000 units of the game. Like two of those things can happen at the same time.”
Kaneda @ ~22:00 — Prediction that Star Wars IP strength will overcome execution failures.
“I think they're operating in a little bit of a vacuum and I think it's going to bite them. I'm nervous for them.”
Kaneda @ ~21:00 — Expresses concern about Stern's Star Wars marketing and reveal strategy.

Entities

KanedapersonStern PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyMultimorphiccompanyStar Wars PinballgameBeetlejuicegame Dunegame Predatorgame

Signals

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business_signal: Kaneda argues the $13k three-tier pricing model is unsustainable as home buyers experience $4k+ losses and games no longer gain value post-purchase.
high · Contrast between historical value appreciation and modern depreciation; explicit math on $13k purchase losing $4k.
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sentiment_shift: Market sentiment shifting: consumers more satisfied with existing game collections; difficult bar for new releases to justify purchase at premium pricing.
high · 'The more I get exposed to all this stuff, I think more and more people are just going to be content with the great games they have... for newer games... they're going to have to be really special.'
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competitive_signal: Stern Star Wars expected to succeed commercially (5-8k units) despite mediocre game quality and poor marketing due to IP franchise strength.
medium · 'Stern could have a mediocre Star Wars game with a horrible marketing launch and still sell 5 to 8,000 units of the game. Like two of those things can happen at the same time.'
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design_philosophy: Predator fundamentally broken due to missing Arnold Schwarzenegger; lack of iconic character makes game concept unviable at any price point.
high · 'You can't make Predator without Arnold. It's that simple... should have been killed in the conference room.'
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market_signal: Shift from home collection to location play as primary revenue driver; operators benefit from home market failure creating curiosity-driven location traffic.
high · Kaneda reports operator friends want new releases to flop on home market; comparison to Venom model where failure drives location play.

Topics

Pricing model sustainability and market economicsprimaryHome collector vs. location operator dynamicsprimaryStar Wars pinball announcement, marketing, and strategyprimaryManufacturer assumptions about inelastic demandprimarySocial vs. isolated gameplay value and community engagementsecondaryPredator game fundamentals and IP licensing requirementssecondaryMultimorphic P3 platform adoption and market fitsecondaryContent creator burnout and home collection isolationmentioned

Sentiment

negative(-0.72)— Kaneda is critical of manufacturer strategies, pricing models, and specific games, but not hostile. Expresses concern and skepticism rather than anger. Positive sentiment reserved for location play, social community, and operators. Mixed on Star Wars (concerned but expects commercial success due to IP).

Transcript

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See if this works. There we go. Well, we're live again. Oh, I got about like 15 more minutes, gang. Then I got to like I feel like I need a nap. It's been uh It's been a week. It's going to rain today. It got real humid. In the middle of all my questions and all my answers, what will Star Wars be? Walking Dead. Star Wars Walking Dead. Pokemon. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I just like the more the more I get, you know, exposed to all this stuff, I think more and more people are just going to be content with the great games they have. And I think for newer games to to make their way into your game room, they're going to have to be really special. And I think that's going to be a really difficult bar for a lot of these companies. I think a lot of these pinball companies were fully expecting this like inelastic demand for the product. They thought that, you know, people would just keep buying. They thought they could just keep raising prices. They thought nobody would notice the lack of mechanical wow. They thought that, you know, we we would just be forking over money. Like when you when you make a game like Predator with not with no Arnold in it and you basically are charging 12 to $15,000 for it with tariffs, you you got to like remember like like that should have been killed in the conference room before any real money or effort was put behind making it. You can't make Predator without Arnold. It's that simple. Much harder to do that than even Alien without Ripley because, you know, they just doesn't work. And I I think a lot of people are just still enjoying the hobby. You know, there's this misconception that the only way to enjoy the hobby is is by continuing continuing to buy new stuff. And I think that to me the the friends of mine that are having the most fun in the hobby right now are operators because they love watching all these people lose money on these new in-box, you know, because they're making money on an operator level and they're and they're making a killing and like having new games coming in actually helps them a lot, you know. So they're they're not looking to like collect the game. I mean, think about how silly it is. You buy a $13,000 pinball machine that has a coin mech in it that's set up to make money. The game was designed to make money and you bought it, put it in your home, make no money off of it, and lose $4,000 on top of what you paid for it. And you think that model is going to last for a lot longer. You know, we all used to buy these games and lose no money and it would gain value. So, you know, that's the real reckoning that's coming. I think Spooky Pinball pricing Beetlejuice at $9,999 is going to be a killer a killer problem for Dune. It's going to be a real problem for Stern trying to sell $13,000 less. Star Wars is going to Yeah, absolutely. Star Wars is going to kill it on location. And here's what's amazing is when I talk to my friends who are operators, they actually want the game to flop on a collector level and a consumer home buying level because if Star Wars doesn't do well and you don't want to buy it for your home, then you're going to seek it out on location and pump in tons of money to play it on location, you know, because you're curious about it. So, it's a way like Venom and can make money on location because people don't want to own it, but you're still curious to play the experience. I feel like putting down deposit for two P3s because I'm too lazy to swap out. Oh my gosh. Um, you know, like I listening to Jerry's talk about tariffs, he's not wrong. I I just I continually think that I mean there I don't know. I I don't know how you run a business where there's no real long-term growth and there's no you're you're a solution in search of a problem. That's the problem with Multimorphic. The whole platform is a solution in search of a problem because the whole hobby has telegraphed to him that we don't have a problem having machines that don't have swappable playfields. And even if space is a problem, it doesn't mean I want pinball to be like that. If that's the solution, most people don't want it. How long does curiosity sustain the the earnings? Well, look, I mean, in the end, the other amazing part about going out and playing pinball on location is you get to hang with your friends, drink beer, and play pinball. It's a lot of fun. Music going, pins are there. We're social creatures. There's nothing sadder. Believe me, gang, when when these content creators with all the pins in their basement, the reason why they have to turn the camera on all the time is they're bored. They're bored with all the games behind them. When they play them lonely at night in their house, that's not fun. Like I've owned every, you know, I've owned so many great arcade devices. Whether it's pinball, whether it's Street Fighter, whether it's Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, it doesn't matter. Nothing is more fun than just getting together with your boys and having some beers and talking about the hobby is more fun than even playing. I I mean, you guys know this to be true. It's the reason why you go to a pinball show. Like the majority of time people are not even on the machines. Just fun to hang out and socialize. And that's what owning a you know a spot to go play. That's what's fun about it. It's just we just want to hang out with other people that are into what we're into. That's why Canada our our little get-togethers every week. It's It's just fun for people. It doesn't come with an extraordinary price tag. It doesn't change who you are. And And I see these guys, you know, and they're bored. They're just bored. And when you get more comfortable with the games you own and get more comfortable with yourself, then you stop seeking, you know, fulfillment in super expensive new games. And you find fulfillment in this hobby through relationships, supporting your local operator, listening to podcasts, whether it's free or $5 a month. You know, you you find a lot more satisfaction in in this type of stuff. Like if you were to turn this off right now and turn off the chat and and just go solo, sit and play the games you own, I'm telling you, you'd feel more isolated and you'd feel more alone. And even if you put up a great score, nobody saw it. Now, if you look, if three of your friends came over and you guys are all drinking beers and whiskey, it's a different story. Whole different story. More fun to to play like that. And that is why these were meant to be in arcades surrounded by people and energy, not meant to be just in your house. You turn them on, nobody cares. I never played I never played shows. I never played shows either, Michael. I I always found uh pinball at shows to be absolutely unsatisfying. Uh I've only if I ever do jump on, it's just because the game's brand new and I've never played it before. But even then, I've never really had like a great experience playing a pinball machine at a show. Buy Spooky's next game or trip to Bangkok. Always the trip. Always. Um, all right everybody, look, this is fun. I know this is like we lost about half the audience, but everybody be good. Thank you for, you know, the super chats earlier, sad boy. Um, thank you for hanging out. Enjoy the short amount of time you have on this planet. Be good to each other. Be kind to each other. Uh, and let's just save our our laughter for what Stern thinks is a $13,000 Star Wars. I really hope they blow us away. I I'm nervous now. We're not even really going to see the game Monday, Tuesday. I think they might hide behind licenser approval as the delay. I think they've botched this delay. I think they went out too early with the teaser. And, you know, I'm I'm really I'm really I'm really nervous for them. I I think they um they're operating in a little bit of a vacuum and I think it's going to bite them. I still think they're going to sell a ton though because it's Star Wars. You know what I'm saying? It's still Star Wars. Like I could be two things can be two opposing things can be right. Stern could have a mediocre Star Wars game with a horrible marketing launch and still sell 5 to 8,000 units of the game. Like two of those things can happen at the same time. And I think that might be what happens. All right, everybody. Let's get out of here. Have a good Saturday. I'm going to go take a bubble bath. Chill. Love you guys. Peace. We're ending it there