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Episode 209 – Seven Year Itch

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·2h 26m·analyzed·Jul 4, 2023
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt #209: Jeff Teolis guests on tournament results, The Beast event details, and community fundraising.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 209 features hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale with guest Jeff Teolis discussing Canadian pinball culture, recent tournament results at Rochester Pinball Collective, The Beast tournament at Pocketeer Billiards (exclusive game reveals), and community initiatives including a $12,000 donation to suicide prevention in memory of Lyman Sheets.

Key Claims

  • Corning (Jeff's employer) matched his $6,000 donation to suicide prevention, doubling it to $12,000 total for Lyman Sheets memorial

    high confidence · Jeff Teolis explaining his donation matching experience; verified via company email confirmation

  • The Beast will feature five tournaments over four days at Pocketeer Billiards with games including Hot Tip EM, Countdown, Monster Bash, Godzilla, Foo Fighters, and Legends of Valhalla

    high confidence · Jeff Teolis announcing exclusive game lineup for The Beast tournament

  • Rochester Pinball Collective now has 50 games on location

    high confidence · Bruce Nightingale announcing RPC expansion from 49 to 50 machines

  • American Pinball is donating $1,500 to The Beast prize pool

    high confidence · Jeff Teolis stating American Pinball sponsorship details

  • Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show in 2024 had 440 games (same as prior year), drew 4,000-5,000 attendees, and is run by over 100 volunteers

    high confidence · Dan O'Halligan response to previous Slam Tilt criticism of the show

  • Jeff Teolis provided voice work for Odin character in Legends of Valhalla (American Pinball) after originally recording for Scott Gullix homebrew version

    high confidence · Jeff explaining his involvement with Legends of Valhalla voice acting history

  • Bruce Nightingale won the Strikes tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective on a second retirement comeback

    high confidence · Bruce and Ron confirming tournament results and Bruce's game selections for finals

  • The Beast weekend pass is $80 and individual tournament entry is $10 for three games or $20 for seven games

    high confidence · Jeff Teolis explaining Beast pricing structure

Notable Quotes

  • “I can't breathe... I can't enjoy my pool, you fucker”

    Ron Hallett @ early in episode — Joking about Canadian air quality affecting upstate New York listeners

  • “When you asked people come to the rescue and certainly help out so well done to both of you on that. That's amazing.”

    Jeff Teolis @ discussing donation — Recognition of community response to Lyman Sheets memorial fundraising

  • “Your show is a player's show... do you really want every show to be the same?”

    Dan O'Halligan @ responding to show criticism — Defending Northwest Pinball Show's unique approach and community value

  • “I'll always help out homebrew guys... for sure, tell me what you need”

    Jeff Teolis @ explaining Legends of Valhalla involvement — Shows Jeff's commitment to supporting homebrew pinball community

  • “Women bring a ton of food to tournaments and I love it... Women tournaments only for now on at level zero”

    Ron Hallett @ discussing Summer Solstice Super Slam — Comment on positive energy and community spirit of women's pinball events

Entities

Jeff TeolispersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonLyman SheetspersonPenny (Lyman's fiancée)personDan O'HalliganpersonBarry GlucksteinpersonShane JacksonpersonAdam BeckerpersonScott Gullixperson

Signals

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    event_signal: The Beast (Buffalo Extravaganza Annual Summer Tournaments) announced with exclusive game lineup revealed on Slam Tilt: Hot Tip EM, Countdown, Monster Bash, Godzilla, Foo Fighters, Legends of Valhalla across five tournaments over four days

    high · Jeff Teolis provided full tournament structure, pricing ($80 weekend pass), sponsor information, and game selections during episode

  • ?

    community_signal: Memorial fundraising for Lyman Sheets (suicide prevention) reached $12,000 through listener donations matched by Jeff's employer Corning

    high · Jeff Teolis confirmed $6,000 listener donation, $6,000 company match, and positive reception from Penny (Lyman's fiancée)

  • ?

    venue_signal: Rochester Pinball Collective expanded from 49 to 50 machines on location at 349 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, NY

    high · Bruce Nightingale announced milestone expansion; hosts ongoing tournaments and serves as local hub for competitive play

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Bruce Nightingale won Strikes tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective (second retirement comeback); Andy Cushman second, Ron Hallett third, Pete Indyk fourth

    high · Detailed game selections and scores provided by Bruce and Ron during episode recap

  • ?

    content_signal: Slam Tilt Podcast securing exclusive tournament announcements and game reveals; demonstrates podcast reach and industry access

    high · Jeff Teolis chose Slam Tilt for exclusive Beast game announcement; first reveal of tournament structure and sponsored games

Transcript

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0:00
God is great. God is good. And, um, and he, um, oh boy. And we thank him for our morning wood. Come on, come on. Don't do that.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Happy Canada Day!
0:43
Yes, it's Canada Day, Bruce. Yes, it was yesterday, but we still love our Canadian friends. It's also episode 209. Wow! Yes, and we have a guest. We do, and he is one of the most famous Canadians we ever have on. He is awesome. Ron, hit the music for Hail to the Chief right now.
1:05
Okay. Our president. Yes. Jeff Teolis. How are you doing, Jeffrey? Hello, boys. If ever Blame Canada was fitting, right now would be the time. How are you enjoying our lovely air quality? Oh, we're just loving it so much. Jesus Christ. I can't breathe. What? It's all your fault. I can't enjoy my pool, you fucker. even one of our famous Canadians, Shania Twain, she wiped out in a concert last night in Chicago, probably because of the air. Yeah. See, it sucks to me. It sucks to me. But you guys seem not affected by it. Like, I saw the ball game yesterday at the center, and it could look pretty clear out there. It was not bad. It was the first time, in fact, at the Sky Dome Rogers Center in Toronto. It's been closed for many games, even though the weather's nice. It's just the air quality's been lousy. I totally agree. Wait a minute. It's a dome. Yeah. It's retractable.
2:04
Jody Stallman
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Pete Indykperson
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Slam Tilt Podcastorganization
Rochester Pinball Collectivevenue
Pocketeer Billiardsvenue
The Beastevent
Corningcompany
American Pinballcompany
Legends of Valhallagame
Northwest Pinball and Arcade Showevent
  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball donating $1,500 to The Beast prize pool; Pinshades sponsoring main event; LTC Pinball sponsoring classics; Forever the Flip sponsoring women's event

    high · Jeff Teolis detailed multiple sponsorship partnerships and prize distributions across tournament divisions

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jeff Teolis performing voice work for Legends of Valhalla (Odin character) following original homebrew recording; remastered for American Pinball mass production

    high · Jeff explained voice acting history from homebrew creator Scott Gullix to American Pinball professional production; Zach Sharpe directing tone and delivery

  • ?

    event_signal: Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show responded to prior Slam Tilt episode criticism; organizer Dan O'Halligan provided detailed defense of 2024 event scale (440 games, 4,000-5,000 attendees, 100+ volunteers)

    high · Detailed Facebook response from Dan O'Halligan addressing game inventory, show organization, volunteer structure, and unique features like transportation and home game pickup service

  • ?

    community_signal: Women's pinball events showing higher positive community engagement and better event atmosphere compared to mixed tournaments; Summer Solstice Super Slam well-attended

    medium · Ron and Jeff noting women bring more food, better energy, more positivity; positive commentary on women's tournament organization and Jody Stallman victory

  • ?

    operational_signal: The Beast assembling expert tech team (Bruce Nightingale, Barry Gluckstein, Shane Jackson, Adam Becker) for four-day multi-tournament event with game setup logistics and free play all weekend

    high · Jeff detailed tech staffing, game transport logistics, free play administration, prize pool management, and volunteer coordination structure

    • Is it? Yeah, it spins. I can't remember. Oh, it's an awesome place. I haven't seen it since the new upgrades, and I heard it's even better now. I assume you guys still call it Sky Dome.
    2:15
    You don't like it? I call it Sky Dome because they had a contest when it was named what to call it, and Sky Dome was the winner. I'm not going to call it the Rogers Center. I just call it the Center. Yeah, because the team owns it. No, sorry. I don't like that. Screw that corporate bullshit. So you don't like the upgrades they've done there? It's fine. It's okay. It's still, you know, as you guys know personally, I love baseball more than pinball. And I go to all the different parks, and it's not in the top half of best parks. Wow. No.
    2:46
    Damn. Here's the pitch. He swings. Oh, he hit him in the nuts. Oh, right in the testicles. I like that when you're walking around, you can just look out and see the game. That is the best part, I think. The thing I remember about the SkyDome was when it first opened, they kept having people just banging in some of the rows, and you could see them through the windows and stuff. I remember that was a problem. The hotel, yeah. Well, you know what? You pay for a ticket, you get an extra show. I like it. But the thing that I like about other parks, too, is especially a place like Pittsburgh, a great park, is when you can see the downtown and the outfield. The problem is you're looking at walls all the time in there. When it's open, it's cool. You see the CN Tower. But it's still, I don't know, there's so many great American ballparks compared to Sky Dome. All right. Canada sucks. I got it. All right. Cool. You had another great ballpark. It was called the Olympic Stadium. That was, oh. No. That was really bad. I've been to that. That was terrible. Was that Montreal? Yes. Oh, it was bad. Didn't they have the rule if you hit it high enough in the air and it hit the roof, home run? I think so. I don't know about that. They have that rule also in Tampa because. Yeah, Tampa's terrible. Oh, that's one of the worst stadiums. That is the worst. Because I remember Darryl Strawberry for the match. He hit one up there, and it just disappeared. Like, it's up in the roof. Home run. That's the ground rule. I know Jeff is a big baseball fan because me and Jeff are in a fantasy league together, and we're one and one against each other. Yeah, you smoked me first week. I thought, oh, what am I in for? But, oh, well, thanks for Greg Fabarelli setting that up. Yes, thank you, Greg. But right now I'm playing the number one person, and I'm tied with them 7-7 going into that last day. So I feel pretty good. People are listening now saying, isn't this a pinball podcast?
    4:30
    Okay, Jeff. We should talk about tournaments. Yes. Well, Jeff, first, I know how much you love the button on a lockdown bar. Oh, yes. You love that, right? You love the button. They named it after you, right? You're like the action button champion. Well, it's funny. Whenever Stern comes up with a new game, like I know Elwin's done it a couple times, the action button champ on default will say red, and it usually a score of zero Yes Bruce and I made one of the funniest videos ever of us going crazy on the action button when that first happened I get a lot of comments about that But yeah, action button, listen, I don't hate it. I hate when you have to hit it repeatedly. Hitting it once, no problem. Yeah, I don't mind once. Yeah. So I want you to imagine you're going to hit it right now. Just do it. Bang. Hit the action button.
    5:22
    Okay, perfect. You know why? You just doubled our score. All right. Our donation to Lyman. I didn't know this at the time when I made the donation. I got the email back from the company saying, oh, thank you for your generous donation. See if your company will match it. What? So I look up my company. I work for a big corporation in the United States.
    5:44
    You said their name before, Bruce. I know I have. It's Corning. And I looked on the website, and I submitted the paperwork. Two days later, they matched it. Holy cow. So another $6,000.
    5:59
    So everyone's help for the first half made the second half even better. So I told Penny that. I just sent Penny the card that came from the company. She was ecstatic. I showed her the emails for the doubling of it, and she's like, oh, my God. So I was very grateful and very lucky that I worked for a great company like that. It's a tax write-off for them, of course, but it helps everyone. And the donation is to what specifically, Bruce? It's for, I got the company, but I got to make me look it up. Well, just because if you haven't seen the last episode, you're like, Lyman Penny, who are these people? We have no idea. Well, Lyman Sheets is the one who, he passed away from suicide, unfortunately. And Penny is his fiance. So we did the donation so everyone don't have to pay for Patreon fees or anything like that. just donate and we got almost six thousand dollars and now corning doubled it and we almost we earned twelve thousand dollars for suicide prevention in lyman's name to the in lyman's name too yeah yes which is awesome that is a testament to um first of all your generosity and also your listeners to over seven years of uh people religiously listening to your show i'm included in that and uh you know when you ask people come to the rescue and and certainly help out so Well done to both of you on that. That's amazing. I was blown away.
    7:23
    Well, I think... The doubler works. Yes, the doubler works. I have an interest of equal time. We had Chris Davis on here last episode talking about the Northwest Pinball Show. Okay. And we had a response on our Facebook page of some of the comments he made. I think it's one of the organizers of the show. Uh-oh. Yeah. So we're innocent. We weren't even there. We're Switzerland. We're neutral.
    7:56
    Let's see. This is from Dan O'Halligan. So this is about the Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show. He says, some factoids here. FYI, adult prices were exactly the same as last year. The rest were lower. We tried to be more family-friendly and made it so 12 and under were free and youth 13 to 17 were half price. That's good. The show is non-profit and run by a board, not one guy. And it was the same people as last year, with the inevitable turnover of one or two people. Most of us have been running the show since it began in 2008, including Jerry Thompson of Stern. We had 440 games, the same as last year. I get that it could feel like less games because we expanded into a second room and moved the tournament, big home reception, Hercules and a row of pins into the second room. Then we spaced out aisles in the main room for traffic flow more. Since the pandemic, people want wider aisles and less crowding between games. What is true is that not all manufacturers and vendors want to travel to the West Coast shows because it can be a longer distance. Really, the only new machines we were missing were Scooby-Doo and GTF. There were seven Foo Fighters, seven Godzillas, six James Bonds, four Pulp Fictions, two Punny Factories, all the Planetary 2.0 games, Godfather, Big Lebowski, Ultraman, and a dozen custom games. And a partridge in a pear tree. The Northwest Show is one of the biggest and best in the world, and it's a player's show. Seattle and Portland's pinball communities are massive. Our two cities have the most games on location in a massive tournament and collector scene. Our show draws 4,000 to 5,000 people every year and is put on by over 100 volunteers. Honestly, from an organizer's perspective, this year's show went very smoothly, and we got a lot of praise for the new spread-out layout with a tournament not in the main room this year. So yes, we may not have every new machine that has just come out. We are not a carbon copy of other shows. And do you really want every show to be the same? What we do have is 400 plus games on free play on the show floor the entire weekend They don arrive late and aren pulled early Our show runs transportation and picks up and delivers home game collections which I think is completely unique. More shows should do that. I agree. We have probably the best tech team of any show with fully staffed hours, fixing games as they break the entire weekend. We have some very unique game collections you won't see at any other show, as well as a big homebrew section with seminars and meetups for custom builders. It sounds like your guest was just not very observant or willing to actually talk to anybody involved with the show. But if you ever want to talk to someone involved, don't hesitate to reach out. And I'd like to thank everyone that volunteered games, time, and attended this year. You are all awesome, and you are why we do the show. We'll have to get them on before the show. So there you go. That's from Dan O'Halligan. But I don't know about the best text for a show because I think there's a show coming up that's going to have even better text. Oh, why? Are you there, Bruce? I am one of the texts, baby. Okay, let's get into it. What's coming up, Bruce? The Beast. And luckily we have the organizer right with us. Hey, Jeff. Hello. The Beast. It is the Buffalo Extravaganza annual summer tournaments. And, yes, annual. I've even posted next year's tournament for 2024. But, yes, Bruce is one of the four techs we're going to have on hand. Of course, Barry Gluckstein of Pocketeer Billiards is going to be there. Shane Jackson from Maple Pinball, and Adam Becker, one of the IFPA directors. So we have four techs. This is a big, big event. And, in fact, the first time I ever met Bruce, I'm pretty sure, was at Pocketeer Billiards in 2016. I think it was. And it was probably right around the time Slam Tilt was on air, the first time maybe. And we've been friends ever since. And that event I always thought was very, very well run. It was there for a couple of years. Then it went on to the Yacht Club, the old Buffalo Pinball Summer Open. and I kind of missed that event. It meant a lot to me. The friends that were there, the machines were a lot of fun. It was a very well-run tournament. And for years that void has happened, and I've been asked for years, in fact, to see if I could resurrect it or something similar to it. So this is completely different, but certainly inspired by that BPSO and glad to be back at Pocketeer. So we've got five tournaments, really, over four days. So the first one Thursday is just kind of a warm-up tournament. It's kind of separate to the Beast, but people are going to be there Thursday night, so they might as well play some pinball. So that's just a $10 entry plus coin drop. Forget coin drop for the rest of the tournament because part of the administration fee will cover all the games being on free play. So that's kind of unique. We've got a main event that goes Friday, Saturday qualifying, a classics event that you qualify on friday and then saturday morning before the playoffs in the afternoon we've got a women's tournament qualify all day friday and then the playoffs on on the morning and then for those that don't make the finals on sunday there's a three strikes tournament so lots going on at pocket two billiards for the beast the beast but uh i'm gonna bring out one of the games a week before and i'll bring the second game out the thursday night and then we'll get them all set up i'm bringing two games well that's a good thing we should talk about i have not revealed any of the games yet, so I was waiting for the Slam Tilt podcast to give the exclusive six of the games being listed. And we'll start off in the Classics division. Bruce, tell us two of the games that are going to be coming to the Classics in the Beast. I am bringing Hot Tip EM and Countdown. Oh, my Countdown. Your Countdown, yes. Yeah.
    13:33
    With the Countdown that I turned on last night and it boots right up and everything and it's all original boards, so I was like, this is excellent. I love this thing, and I played two games on it. That was it. Then I turned it off.
    13:45
    Thanks very much for doing that, Bruce. There's a lot of people that are helping us bring some classic machines. If you've never been to Pocketeer Billiards, they have about 80 games, a lot of modern games. So we need to bring in a few for classics. So Bruce was kind enough to do that. I know your games very, very well from the Rochester Pinball Collective. Where is that again? Where is that, Ron? It's at 349 West Commercial Street in East Rochester. sweet number i have no idea 29 65 50 games i tell you every time i'll never remember the sweet number but the rpc rpc is just a spectacular game is now 50 which is incredible wait a minute you have 50 there's 50 we move some around there's 50 this is a big thing come on a big big thing i gotta still i still gotta work on one to make it perfect we've been we've been doing this gimmick for a bunch of episodes in a row about the 49 games. And you just go, oh, yeah, we have 50 now. That's it? That is a weak payoff right there, Bruce. Well, it's legs. I still have to get the legs working. The legs working? Do they walk? No, rotation eight.
    14:52
    It needs legs. And they don use normal legs And it didn come with legs I thought it needed feet It actually has actually has a six inch foot six inch leg with an adjuster on it so you can level it out wait wait a six inch leg that a pretty low game bruce you sit on the floor when you play it no because you have four chairs around and the play field will rotate for you yes but bruce you realize six inch six inch feet that's like not even a foot you'll be sitting on the floor no you're not listen i use the metric system and six-inch foot sounds like an oxymoron. Everyone needs six inches.
    15:30
    But Bruce's games are always great. In fact, I have a game that will never, ever leave my house. Sorry, Bruce, to bring it up, but when you sold me the Simpsons Pinball Party, that was just an absolute gem. It's an awesome game. It is great. The only thing I've changed on it is just to add a color DMV. That's perfect. Yeah. If anyone ever has to buy a game from Bruce, you're in good shape, let me tell you that. Simpsons. It's a clunky mess, and I'm on it. I love it.
    15:59
    It's a fucking awesome game. Is that your best, Krusty? Yeah, it is. Bastard, kick my ass. Wait a minute. Kiss my ass. That's what I meant.
    16:12
    So with the other four games that are being announced, Jeff, right now, what are they? Okay. Okay, in the women's bank, I'll just pick two random here. How about Monster Bash and a little game called Godzilla? I don't know if you've heard of it. I think I've heard of it. It's a popular game for them. That guy, what's his name? The One.
    16:37
    And then also in the Beast, for the main event, we have the new Foo Fighters game. And also, I hear it's a pretty good game. It sounds awesome. One of our sponsors is American Pinball. In fact, they are donating $1,500 to the prize pool for the three main events. So we're going to play Legends of Valhalla and the Beast. Oh, yeah. Nice. Volume will be cranked. It will be. That's right, baby. I'm the fifth extreme of American Pinball. Day six, baby. Jeff, Jeff, he's in that game. That's why we're playing it, baby.
    17:13
    You know how that all started, didn't you? How I got on the game? You know how that happened. No, I don't actually. I remember you saying, hey, I'm on. And I was like, okay, that's cool. So years and years ago on Pinball Profile, I interviewed Scott Gullix, who was obviously on Pinside talking about he was making these games. He obviously did Wrath of Olympus and other things too. So he was making this homebrew, and I looked at the artwork. I was like, holy cow, this is a homebrew? And then after we got done, he wanted a voice for Odin, the character, and I said, listen, I'll always help out homebrew guys. So for sure, tell me what you need. I'll send you the WAV files. And he gave me some scripts, him and Frank. And I did that. Never thought anything of it. Then years later, I see that they made six of these homebrews. In fact, one of them on location in Ohio that is really well quality built. And then American said, we're going to mass produce this. They redid all the voices except the one I did. They just had me remaster it and redo it for Matt to produce it. and that's kind of how I got on it just because I was originally on the homebrew, if you will. That's cool. So when that poker game comes out, Ron, when Zach Mass produces the headless poker.
    18:31
    Yes, I'll have to redo all the voice call-outs. Yes. My emotionless voice call-outs. Like, no, Ron, that's no. Just do it straight. Bland. More bland the better. I know your voice will be awesome on it, but I just wanted to be there for the session when Zach was giving you instructions. Oh, that was great. That would have been funny. No, enunciate this. No, do this, do that. Yeah, it was a fun session. How many times did Zach say, you sound too excited, dull it down?
    19:01
    Yeah, I want to do like, you know, I'm like World Cup soccer or something. It's like, no. Goal! Yeah, goal! Full house!
    19:08
    Royal flush! Basically, anything that Tim Kitzrow does, I just want to do that. Yeah. I tried to interview him. I think it was at the, where was it, Louisville Arcade Expo. And just tried to get, you know, five, ten minutes or nothing, nothing full-fledged podcast. And he's just like, oh, I can't, man. My voice is shot or whatever. And I'm like, oh, boy, this is early in the show and your voice is shot? That's kind of your bread and butter. All right, fair enough. Maybe it was just a nice way of saying, go fuck off, Canadian. Pretty much. That's Steve in the coffin. That's me. Yeah, he didn't want to do any of that for you.
    19:50
    So how do you sign up for the beast if you have not already? So all the links and all the information, pinballprofile.com. slash the beast. You'll see it right on the top menu bar. Click the beast, and right at the top, there's a little code to link into all the information. It'll send you an email right away. It's $80 for the weekend, and that kind of covers off the cost. Again, we're turning the games to free play. And then when you're there, like many pump and dump tournaments, it's $10 for three games. It's $20 for seven games. We're going to have some volunteers, obviously, and those people will get some free entries and even a volunteer hour on Saturday morning to play before everyone else. So it's very exciting. It's been a lot of buildup. We've got a lot of sponsors, too. Pinshades is sponsoring the main event. We've got LTC Pinball. They're sponsoring the classics, and I think you might remember from the Pinball Profile Play in America Tour, we gave away these kind of cool classic ballet towels and mini pinball machines. Yes. And so those are coming back to the Classics event. Nice. We've got in the Women's event, we've got Forever the Flip. So those really cool, funky pinball hoodies, they're going to be given away to the top four players. And we've also got random prizes, too. It doesn't even matter if you finish top four or top 24. It doesn't matter. We're going to do random draws for some of these great prizes throughout the tournament, too. So, again, top 24 will make the main event. Top 24 will make the Classics event, and up to Top 12 for the Women's event. Everyone that makes the playoffs gets paid. So very exciting and looking forward to it. We have 100 people registered, so we can still take more, and it's going to be a lot of fun. Adam Becker is going to help TD the event, and he's obviously an expert when it comes to running tournaments. So, yeah, there's a couple Canadians running this, but it's such a great facility with what Barry and Cindy do, So we want to come back there and looking forward to seeing so many people in upstate New York. It's going to be a big event for your upstate New York pinball tournaments, Bruce. I know you're part of that. Yes. I haven't done it though this year.
    22:06
    I'm being totally honest. I have not done it because of like with the RPC and everything else and with work lately, I'm just like, I've got too much stuff on my plate right now. So with Jeffy doing stand-up, I hear you were in comedy. those days are long long done in fact i was at the jays game yesterday with a buddy his name is john he was at the last ever show i did which was in 1999 and it was a it was a way to go out on top i won an award for being the funniest comic and it was supposed to go on to this uh the canadian finals well the reason it stopped for me one i had a full-time job it was never going to be a full-time career. It was just kind of a hobby that I had some success with. But the big reason I stopped was going on to the Canadian finals. And the year before, Adam West hosted the Canadian finals. It was pretty cool in 98. And 99, for whatever reason, I think Molson was one of the sponsors. They backed out. So because they lost their title sponsor, they never did the Canadian finals. It kind of pissed me off. I was looking forward to that and so it just didn't happen in 2000 they bring it back and they said okay all the all the winners of regional will go on to the national finals and so i called and i said so i go to the national finals right because i won last year they said no no you got to retry again i went fuck that i'm done like and he never had a molson golden again no no molson golden export sorry no So not me. Fireball. All Fireball. You know me. Fireball. I was looking at thebeast.com. Like, I wonder what that is. Oh, God, I don't want to know. It's a drink. I figured it was porn. It's not. It's like some kind of blender.
    23:51
    Yeah, best-in-class blending performance to make you strong inside. Trademarked. You know, I missed sponsorship opportunity there. I screwed up. Yeah, you could have got the blender. Actually, I got a perfect link for you then, if you really want one. the monster has a drink called the beast okay that would be it's alcohol 6.0 that's a canadian light beer we got it is canadian light beer that's scary how you guys have a really potent beer there sure well since uh we're talking about tournaments everyone has turned off already so no we'll get into the uh let's see we had a tournament we did where was that at at the rochester pinball collective bruce we went over this i figured we we give the results of the tournament i didn't even have this on the actual uh my notes which was it's so stupid you keep mentioning the tournament and then never do results for it that would be incredibly dumb but we're good at that uh i didn't win. Thank you. On to the next thing. But he was the top qualifier Top qualifier right in this room There was a women bells tournament on saturday but on friday there was a strikes tournament for all which i may have qualified first for he did he crushed it he beat me twice in a row yeah well you beat me twice in a row so yeah i know so it didn't work out that way sounds like you're beating each other off a lot yeah so to make a long story sure I didn't win.
    25:24
    Who did win? Whatever. Bruce, did you win? I did. Is this your second retirement win? Yes. So, yeah, the final four, because I was the top seed, I got to pick all the games. You picked all the games. So I picked, let's see, I picked Aletha Weapon, which I finished second at $100 million to $105 million. Yep. Got screwed at the end there. Hit the orbit, came around, it hit something, went right down the middle. Totally not my fault.
    25:55
    Okay. Yeah. Then second game was it? Hot tip. And I lost by 10K to Bruce. That sucked. The bonus came up. It was all bonus. Yes. It was all me tilting ball one. It did. Which I didn't realize I tilted until I walked away and I was like, you know, no bonus counted up there. Did I tilt? Mm-hmm. And then the third game was rack him up. Rack him up. And I crushed it. Yeah, I racked him down. You racked him down. Yeah, the first two balls, I think I got two flips and that was it. And third ball, I got to play, but I was too far behind. Yeah, it was good. I crushed that game. Yeah, I think I finished third. Yeah, I got first. And Andy got second. Andy Cushman got second. Ron was third. And Pete Indyk was fourth. Was fourth. Yes. Bruce. I can't believe it. You keep coming out of retirement. You're worse than Kiss, for crying out loud. No, the thing was this. The thing is, they needed an even number. And Zach turned to me and said, we still have odd. And I said, I'll go in. That's the only reason why I played.
    27:07
    Sounds like an old Somp tournament, Ron. It does. Yeah, it does. It does. The difference is, in the Somp tournament, they paid for me. Yes. because they were all just whopper whores and they wanted like, you know, we need another. Ron, it's like, I don't want to play. We'll pay for you. Okay.
    27:28
    Okay, so back to Kiss, Ron. You want to gene off? Yeah, I want to gene off. Well, I'm Ron Simmons. You see, I'm his less rich brother.
    27:38
    That's right. I'm Ron Simmons of Not Kiss. I'm not sure who the heck that is, but if you want to know about Gene Simmons, it's very simple. We're the greatest rock band of all time. If you want to see us, it's the end of the road tour. It's going to be fabulous when that's it. There's no more until next year. We're doing the end of the street tour. And then the end of the avenue tour will happen in 2026. It's going to be fabulous with the greatest rock band of all time. Kiss. There's nothing better. Nice.
    28:05
    Sponsored by Depends. Thank you. You got something about you. You got something on you. It's the deuce, literally It is That'd be so bad God of Thunder when he rises at the top and just shits all over the place Sponsored by Depends You see all over the scoreboard Depends And there's Gene proudly showing him off making his money He shits his pants, Paul Stanley's in the corner Save that. Save that. The pen, we can sell that.
    28:48
    We can sell it. Save my shit. We'll sell it on kissonline.com If you want my shit, it's going to be on there with the greatest shit of all time.
    29:00
    Why couldn't you get kiss.com? You couldn't pay for that? It was already taken? It was already taken. They wanted money. Couldn't they just tell them we're kiss? Yeah. I know I took a lot of shit for bringing Gene on Pinball Profile, and obviously that was done because I had him on my classic rock show. Yeah. I just kind of squeezed in a few pinball things. He wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to talk about the garbage of this Gene Simmons vault. Yeah.
    29:27
    It's 11 records of shit that never made on the crappy albums. Yes, exactly. Oh, my God. It was so, oh, well, I tried. Yes, yes, you did. And then Saturday, there was the Summer Solstice Super Slam. Yes. Was this for Stephanie? Yes. She did a great job. Oh, my God. I'm going to say one thing right off the bat. Women bring a ton of food to tournaments and I love it Oh yeah Oh my God They much better They are so much better Men suck Men suck Men suck Women tournaments only for now on at level zero Yes Well the women tournaments if you never seen them or watched them I just like the energy they bring, the positivity and just the, you know, sometimes guys can flip out and stuff like that on tournaments. I saw that.
    30:19
    Me? No, never. Oh, I saw a bunch of it in Germany. Trust me. And, you know, the women's events, it's just all positivity. I love them. I'm looking forward to it. The Beast. But congratulations to Jody Stallman, the winner. Yes.
    30:34
    And one of our locals was third, Ashley. She did really good. Yeah, it was a good turnout. That was a really good turnout. I was very happy. Was she third? No. No, that's the B division. Miriam was third. That was the B division. Sorry. That was the A and B division. I'm looking right at it. I'm like, what? Sorry. I was like, wait a second. Nope, I screwed up. Yeah. but no it was honestly very easy it was the easiest TDing I ever had to do in repairing yes very positive Bruce they're very positive yes I wish you were hey I'm never going to win at RPC it's like my quick tonight you had a chance yeah I got to pick all the games I picked the same games again he softballed it we softballed it right to him and we're like, okay, here you go, Ron, here's your win. Wah, wah, wah. You should have just let me win then, right? No, of course not. You would never be happy with yourself about that. No, I wouldn't. No. I always look on the calendar for events at the RPC because I certainly enjoyed it. I liked bringing the Played in America tour there. And the games are such – the quality is fantastic, and you've got a great layout there, Bruce. You and the rest of your partners should be really proud. That's fantastic. I'm very lucky to have four other partners who are into it as much as I am. Do you know where the games are also good, Bruce? Where are they good at? Level zero. Level zero, because guess what I'm doing today? You're putting in Stomp. I'm putting in Stomp East. To IFPA. Again, September 23rd. The money, I'll figure out. Probably the next show, I'll give all the information when we're going to do the thing. It's limited to Thursday. September 23rd is when we're doing the thing. Well, no, I mean the money. The money. Oh, yes. And it'll be 32 players only. Ron's very particular until we go to 40. Yeah, unless it goes up immediately, then, yeah, we'll squeeze some people in there. But, yeah, September 23rd, trying to get it on the calendar before other things.
    32:36
    We're going to play a little game here, Ron. Oh, a game. Yes. First game of the night. False. True. The Beatles. I don't know if you own the Beatles. How many Stern pinball machines do you own?
    32:49
    Got a lot of classics. He's more of Stern boy now. Well, I heard last week when he was talking about all the accessories and the toppers and this and that. He got his Iron Maiden. Oh, yeah. Love Iron Maiden. Well, let's see. Man, you actually want me to count all these? That's the game. Okay.
    33:08
    Well, here, you count while I say these names. So let's see, Cheetah, Nineball, Big Game, Meteor, Stargazer, Dragon Fist, Stars, Quicksilver.
    33:27
    Okay, that's the old ones. Yep, so I've got eight. Oh, now you want the new ones. Yep. Spider-Man, one of your favorites. Metallica, the Elwins. So Godzilla, Jurassic Park, Iron Maiden, let's see, Star Wars. You don't have Avengers? No. No, okay. Deadpool, Iron Man.
    33:52
    I think that's it. 16. Mm-hmm. Okay, let's count how many Bruce has. Two Cheetahs. Nine Ball.
    34:07
    Ollie. Dragon Fist Big Game Split Second Free Fall What's the one that's either hot hand or high hand? It's hot hand Trident I hope you're counting I'm at 11 right now So I'm at 11 So now that's all the classics I think I have downstairs Yes, that's all the classics So now we go new, so that's where it's going to tighten up now So I have Monopoly Star Trek Batman 66 what else do I have Lord of the Rings butthole yep forgot about that one I wish you'd forget about it when the tournaments are being played did I pick it? I didn't pick any of those no you were on Monopoly for an hour I was but I didn pick it That 15 You beat me Ron with your new sternage Mm
    35:05
    Do I win anything? You win nothing. Oh. Bragging rights. You have more sterns. I have more sterns, which for some people means I suck. Yes, which I like that. Mm-hmm.
    35:17
    I have six. Six? I've had a bunch that I've sold. Of course, yeah. we all have. That's ridiculous, but yep, six. Simpsons Pinball Party, my Zepponelli Rush ACDC. Oh, I forgot Rush. Oh, back to 17 for Ron. 17 to 15. And I have an Ali as well that I bought from Papa, so it's the one you remember from Pinberg. It still has the Papa sticker on the bottom right. Now, because of that, it means I can never sell it because it's just too important and too... Well, it means it's worth like $10,000 now. No, no, no, but it's just a special place. I have a Congo... No, my dad has a Papa Congo. Papa Congo. That's a good one.
    36:04
    And a buddy that's local to us, Chris Nisiglia, has a Corvette from Papa. There's a couple out there.
    36:13
    Getting depressed. Oh, I know. It is depressing that we have them. If there's one Stern machine that you don't have, either one of you, which one would it be? That I would want again? Yeah. Or have right now? Yeah, right now. It's not in the collection. Boy, I wouldn't mind this.
    36:31
    Simpsons again. Ugh. I mean it. It's that good a game? It is great, Ron. Oh, and I forgot. ACDC. I have it folded up, so that's another one.
    36:41
    That's 18 or whatever. Which one are you selling now, Ron? I haven't sold anything. I know, but you brought in a game, and you say you don't have any room. I figured out a way to get some more room. Oh, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Hasn't Bruce said this for how many years? Well, I added one to the end of the one row. So you can't play whodunit and F-14 at the same time now, or you'll hit ass to ass. Oh, my. But see, I told you. We can do more.
    37:12
    So what game would you want, Ron? Yeah, Foo Fighters. What the hell? It is a fun game. It'll only get better, I'm assuming. If I had to pick a classic Stern, I mean, I'm in love with Stargazer, but that's the easy one. I don't know why.
    37:28
    A lot of people don't like it. I get so excited when I see it in a tournament. Big game. I love playing that game. I love my big game. Oh, I forgot Star is for me. And Gametron. So I moved up two more. Gametron doesn't count. It does count. No, it's Penn Star. It doesn't count. Who owned it? It doesn't matter if Gary Stern owned it. I went all the way through. Sterns and has Stern boards in it. Oh, wow. I'm sorry. No Daddy's Games? Because Ron's got Lethal Weapon 3. Exactly. Yeah. See, he's right. Daddy's should count that. I have Lethal Weapon 3. First game I ever bought. The best Daddy's Game.
    38:09
    I think you should lose points if you don't select that song. Zach only picks CZ Top. At least, yeah. At least he doesn't pick the default Lethal Weapon music because that sucks.
    38:20
    What else do I have here? Oh! A shout out to Christopher Franchi. Thanks for the logo. If you noticed, if you've been to our website, and you'll surely notice it when you download this episode. It was on the last one, too. It filled in the last one. Well, it filled it in at the... If you have your podcatcher and it's got our little picture on there, it should already be updated with our new logo. I like it. Good job, Franchi. Ron's smiling. That's as close to a full smile as you'll ever get from me. It's from the picture that we took recently, the one with my – I had my dialed-in shirt on. That's why I was smiling because of the awesomeness of dialed in. Right, Bruce?
    39:02
    Dead. Silence. Yes. Bruce wasn't in a good mood. That was kind of a weak smirk from Bruce. So did you notice on the new logo, Franchi fixed something that was wrong forever. Do you know the thing that was wrong forever?
    39:17
    I did it. It was the letter I. It was three dots thick on the original one. And if you look at everything else, everything's too thick on the old logo. Really? Yeah. So look at the old Slam Tilt Podcast logo. Why don't people tell me these things? I told you about calling Bruce a host. That was enough. Oh. That was my fault. I don't have the old, damn it, I don't have the old one here. You can Google it. You can see it. But look at the letter I. It's three dots thick, whereas the new one is, correctly, two dots thick. Yeah, and he pretty much kept it. It's the same format. We're in the same spot. The font's similar. The slant is basically the same. He just kept the format pretty much the same. Yeah, it's nice. I have the same amount of hair. You have less. That's perfect. Now the pinball actually looks like a pinball. No, it looks like we aged horribly in seven years. The original one, there's like no gray. Neither of us have glasses on. Now we both got glasses. We got gray everywhere. We look old. It's like pinball has done this to us in seven. This is what the podcast will do to you. It's like we're the president or something. It's just aged us badly. I like that Ron's smiling. Bruce is kind of frowning. It's like those famous, those two theater masks. You know what I mean? Yes. Well, the reason why I was frowning is because the cheetah went through the floor. Yeah, yeah. His cheetah play field went through the floor of the game. He was still in a bad mood. Yeah. But if you ever look up those masks, they're actually called Sock and Buskin.
    40:49
    It's called, the one on the left is frowning, like Bruce. The one on the right is smiling, like Ron. So it's kind of funny. I'm looking right now. Buskin, there you go. Yeah, you're right. Ta-da. Like I knew that. I Googled it. Google it.
    41:04
    I'm on with Marty Robbins on the final round on the Pinball Network. And if I ever ask him a question, he always, hmm, pause. And you can hear the keys in the background. There's no point in asking him a question because he'll give you, like, the greatest Wikipedia answer ever. Hey, Juan, you have a show on the Pinball Network too, don't you? Yes, I do. It's called Silver Ball Chronicles. Yes, as they said, on the Pinball Network, which Jeff also has a show on the Pinball Network. Riper is? Yes, but he keeps a solo show, too, which I love. Well, so do I. I love them both.
    41:38
    You didn't get that? I said solo show. I'm surprised you didn't say, like, hey. No, I didn't. Yes, but check us out. Our latest episode just came out. It's all about Pinball is Dying. David Dennis, he loves the Pinball is Dying thing. I think pinball continually dies. But it's about Milestar, or Milstar, however you want to say it. The years of Gottlieb when they were getting sold, resold, and finally saved at the end.
    42:07
    It's a redemption arc. What's funny about that show, I mean, first of all, great quality and a lot of information, a lot of research. You probably know it from the back of your hand, Ron, and David does a lot of it. But how many years and how many times did you do a show where you actually never met Dennis? You know, I think you finally have met him, but it's kind of funny that that all came together that way. Yeah, I met him, I think, last year at Fantastic. That was the first time I met him. Oh, my. So we did the podcast for like two years before we met each other. I've known Marty for years and obviously met him a few times. But for the most part, you know, we're doing it different continents, you know, 12, 16 hours apart. So the timing really, really sucks. but we've had you two on. It was a lot of fun. I can't remember when we recorded that, but the timing is always very difficult. But again, we don't see each other. It was TPF the first time we saw each other since recording Final Round. And you just did a new episode yourselves, didn't you? Episode 70. Yes. Yeah, just a bunch of shit. I mean, the great thing, the bad thing and the good thing is, the bad thing is we don't really listen to other podcasts other than Slam Tilt. And not that we don't, we just haven't had time. He's very busy with Agus. I've been busy with The Beast and other things, being in Germany for 17 days.
    43:23
    So I miss a lot of the stuff. And we record and we're like, I wonder how dated this is. And, you know, it gets that way. But what the hell. Who cares? You're having fun. That's all that matters. That's it. We're busting each other's chops like you guys like to do. And that's, I mean, I owe so much to, I want to say this on this program, I owe so much to the Slamtail Podcast because setting up Pinball Profile, Ron was a massive help with that. Bruce was. I'm the one that was pointed to Ron.
    43:54
    No, but seriously. Ryan C., for sure. Ryan C., a lot of people don't know this. I assume he's still doing yours. He actually hosts our websites. Yes, he does. Yeah, so Ryan C.'s a big help there. So, you know, the good people kind of, we work together, don't we? Yes. I love Ryan. I was just talking to him this morning about his Quicksilver. Oh, he finally got that fixed. Yeah, it looks beautiful. I saw the original. It was pretty scary. Oh, wait until you see mine. Mine's really scary. Shitsilver? The Shitsilver. I got it from Ryan. Right! Yeah, right. But thanks again, Mr. Franchi, for the logo. Yes, awesome job. Thank you. That was actually thank you for the Beavis and Butthead stuff that I sent him. And Stern, where is my Beavis and Butthead? I know. What the fuck? Season two has been fucking awesome. two for two with seasons. You're starting to do the 90s shit. You did Foo Fighters. Get it going. Come on, man. Please. I think somebody will make one. I don know if Stern will but I bet somebody will Now coming from Home Pin Be the Butt Hey they already stole my Spinal Tap license Oh they ruined Spinal Tap for you
    45:05
    We should talk. See, well, neither of you guys heard the interview that everyone should hear. Check out the Aussie Pinball Podcast, also on the Pinball Network, and look for the interview with Mike from Home Pin. It is a – well, I heard him before because he was on Head to Head. He is one of the earlier episodes of that man. Yeah, one and done. Yeah, I know he could be somewhat controversial. Let's put it this way. He's used words that even Australians were like, man, that's, no, that's too far. That's pushing it. And these are Australians. These are the people who use the word cunt as an endearing term. It is. In Canada. It is. Yeah, and they were like, yeah, you went over the line, dude. So, yeah.
    45:49
    But, yeah, I just can't even do it justice. other than the fact that it's fascinating listening to this guy. You could just tell he has massive ego. He's never wrong. If anything fails, it's not his fault. It's fascinating to listen to. Basically, if you don't like Thunderbirds, it's because you didn't watch the show. Oh, he hates Americans. Oh, what else is he on? In the U.S. His games are not for pinball people. Not even, like he said, they're not for tournament people. No, they're not even for pinball people now. His games are for someone who just wants a game in their game room, like a single game, just to play a couple balls on and that's it. They're not for pinball enthusiasts.
    46:31
    So he is committed to showing his next game, which will be a movie license, at Pinball Expo 2024, which is hilarious to me because that is a pinball enthusiast show. So why would you do that? I don't know. And yeah, he got a license. I've heard from people in the know that it will piss people off because it must be a movie that's fairly well known, that people are going to be pissed when they find that it's going to be done by Home Pin. Not everyone will get this reference, but if it's Mike doing it, I assume it's going to be Birth of the Nation. Oh, wow. Look it up. You'll see why I said the reference. Mike has said some things that are maybe a little, quote unquote, off color and some would deem racist or homophobic. So I would imagine it would be something like that. But, no, I mean, if he's got a movie license, what is it going to be? Attack from the Killer Tomatoes? The Room, maybe, with Johnny Wiseau? The Room. Oh, that would be hilarious. Oh, hi, Mark. You're tearing me apart, Lisa. Keep your comments in your pocket. It's such a bet. So good. Watch it last weekend again. Oh, why? Why? Oh, Josh. Why? I don't know. If you like sex scenes, if you like six of them in the first 28 minutes, this is the movie for you. And not even good sex scenes, too. I'm watching it with my son. I'm like, son, portals don't have this much. So you watch sex scenes with your son frequently. That's good to know. No, no. He turned 18, and he loves. It's a bonding thing. I get it, yeah. It's such a funny movie for all the wrong reasons. But I just love the interview, especially when all the people said they hated Thunderbirds. And I will say, people say it's the worst game ever made. No. There's going to be worse games than Thunderbirds. But basically, if you hated the game, then you're ignorant. You don't know about the show.
    48:25
    It's like, I'll tell you, I watched the show. Supermarionation, that's what they call the process, for those who care. I always liked it. And I liked Super Adventure Team. No one probably remembers that, but it was a show. It was on MTV. for like four episodes. It was absolutely hilarious. Check it out. It's got the guy who plays Spotswood, did one of the voices on that show. And of course, as people know, Team America, World Police, one of my favorite comedies. Fuck yeah. But Jerry and Sylvia Anderson, who did Thunderbirds. They were on Mystery Science Theater, one of my other favorite shows. The first few seasons, they had the mole people. They were named Jerry and Sylvia after Jerry and Sylvia Anderson. So with all that knowledge, I played Thunderbirds, and I can say unequivocally it sucks. When you make a pinball machine, you actually want to be able to make all the shots in the pinball machine. I love this. It's International Rescue Story. I'll just give you a snippet. Basically, they had all these lights in the back panel. They spelled International Rescue, and they realized by the time they're about to release the game, oh, we haven't had them do anything.
    49:34
    Wow. Okay, well, make it so every time you hit the ramp, you get a letter. and then he said how like i i couldn't win if if i didn't do that and i had him just do nothing i would have got complaints about that i think it would have been better you could have just removed them or something i just it's it's awesome i highly recommend it it is entertaining as all hell i love dr john so i give it a listen but i love that a that the thing you thing He a very controversial guy Mike from Home Pin And when you do a podcast and John been doing it for a while You've been doing it for a long time. I've done it as well. Bringing on controversial guests, is the payoff worth it? Oh, it works so well for you. I've had a few. Yes. And I... We didn't want to say it. I had Nugent on before he went absolutely apeshit crazy, and the stuff I edited out of that show was nuts. Oh, I would have loved to have been the cutting floor guy sweeping that up and going, holy shit.
    50:36
    Well, I had him cut a promo for, again, remember, I did a classic rock show, so he was playing nearby, so I'm like, oh, fuck, I'll squeeze in some stern Nugent pinball stuff, and I'll do a show for the radio, take some of the pinball questions out for radio, I'll add some pinball questions, take some of the concert stuff out of the profile episode. And I took a lot more out than that, but I had him cut a promo for the morning show people. They always said, hey, whenever you get a guest on, do a promo. And so he's like, this is the promo he did. Hey, you Canadian cocksuckers, this is your Uncle Tom.
    51:13
    I was just like, oh, my. And he was trying to be funny. I think it was fucking hilarious. It was pretty funny. And after he goes, did you get it? Were my levels good? And I'm like, thanks, Ted. We're good. Got it. Hey, at least Ted knew where his pinball machine was. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, but okay, Ron, Bruce, bringing on controversial guests. We have it right now. We're doing it right now.
    51:38
    I've always said that I would interview absolutely anyone because it's not an endorsement of the person. It's just their side of the story. Now, you certainly don't want any hate speech or anything like that to go on, but it's tough when you bring on somebody controversial because people will tune out or get really upset, and I think that's just the way the culture is now where everything has to be just peachy keen. Crusty eyes. People were so upset when we had Stu on. I mean, he just hates Stu. McVicker. Yes. But, yeah, no, there's a couple people I won't have on. I'll be the first to admit it. Ron knows a couple of them. I've backed away from a few myself. Yeah. I have a couple I just won't. Nope. By the way, McVicker is in the last episode of the second season, Beavis and Butthead. He is? Nice. Actually, second to last. It's Smart, Beavis, and Butthead. Oh, cool. And they do a thing where they're on trial. So they do the thing where they're standing at the beginning of Superman. Do you remember when they had the three of them with the hula hoop things going around them? Yes. Do you remember? They have that. They're standing there. Superman 2. No, Superman. It's in the original Superman. Oh, it's in the original one before they go to the Phantom Zone. You're right. Yes, before they go to the Phantom Zone. And they have all the people on the screen with big heads, and they're all different characters.
    53:03
    Let's see if I can – one was Stuart's mom. Then they had Todd. they had mcvicker they had a daria's there they all buzz cut and buzz cut their hair nice so he had his big head but he still had a little his hair on the top it was buzz cut uh it was it's really good it'll happen someday ron that game will be made god i hope so i'm sorry how was germany yes germany you know you're you're the best player on the call here so you actually got to go to where the world champions are and stuff. So it's a long trip for everyone that went, certainly from North America and Australia and other parts of the world. I was there an extra week because my wife and I, we spent time doing some touring of the country before pinball started. Then she flew back once pinball started. Pretty impressive. They're very, very passionate about pinball. The big new thing in Europe now is that they've added the dollar fee, which we're accustomed to. Australia's had it. North America's had it. and now they have it there. And it's like it did probably when it first came out here. It upset a lot of people, but I think you'll get used to it after a while. But they don't play for money, so that's a lot of money going out and not a lot of money coming back. I don't play pinball tournaments for cash, but it's nice to know that there's a carrot at the end if you do somewhat well because it's expensive. It's pretty impressive, the lineup of people that were there. I mean, my God, like just a lot of the Europeans that don't travel are just lights out. So you get to play those people. And then, of course, all the great ranked players were there. Machines were good. We played at two places, Bulls and Balls and Fulda. It's like a compound. It kind of reminded me a lot of what's the place in Michigan? What's the one that Clay has? CFW Hall. So very similar to that like different rooms of pinball machines and in great condition Then we went to Freddy Pinball Paradise in a different city and he a distributor so he had a Oh gosh there seemed to be well over 100 games. I think it was 170, but they run a good tournament, the IFPA. You know, I joke about Josh Sharp, the Presidente, and... He runs a good tournament. You guys are like this. You know how tournaments have tilt-bobs in them? And they have the... What are they, the earplugs? On the tilt bobs? Yes. Do they kind of settle? I think that's dead. I think they're killing that because now the players are aggressively tilting machines and not tilting it because they know it'll settle quick. So it made games actually play longer. I think they put them in originally to settle the tilt bob because people would always wait, you know, 60 seconds, two minutes after someone tilts. Well, now they're playing longer because they can give it big moves. So I was watching during the actual qualifying and they were saying, yeah, that's it. The plugs are going now. So, interesting. Nah. Nah, you've got to keep the plugs. It depends on the games, too. Yeah, it depends on the game. If you're playing like a WPC game that has no debounce, and it's like, what do you want to tilt? Oh, yeah. You know what? Let me stand corrected. It was for the new sterns. You're right. Yes. Yes, they're more forgiving. But they have a debounce setting. You could always change that, too. I have a note here, because I listen to Slam Tilt, and I heard you talking about watching Germany on JDL Pinball. Yeah. You both said something last week. I have to bring my two cents to the conversation. What did I say?
    56:32
    Headphones should be banned was what Ron said. Oh, yeah, yeah. Finally, someone heard me. I heard you say it. I'm going to disagree because you said, name another sport where they have headphones. And I thought, well, Major League Baseball has Pitchcom. So the catcher and the pitcher are hearing, and actually the first baseman are hearing, you know, slider, curveball, changeup. And football, the quarterback has it in his helmet. And the helmets as well, too. So headphones are used in major sports. And the reason I think they're needed is the noise canceling more than anything else. It's just if you're playing a machine and somebody loses their shit beside you, it probably affects your react time. I know a lot of people that play in arcades their whole life probably aren't affected by that. I know Josh, it means nothing to him. But Josh is actually one of the biggest contributors to those things. No, not like this! And all the screens and shit he does. That's, I think, why people wear headphones. And I don't like wearing headphones for the reason of, I want to hear the games like you mentioned, Ron, but sometimes I have a list of four players I have to wear headphones. And then Bruce, I can't believe it because you're an old fart like me.
    57:40
    You don't like the headlamps? Oh, no, I do like the headlamps. Oh, you do? We need it. Oh, no, we need it. I hate the places that are so dark I can't fucking see. Or brand new Foo Fighters. Brand new Foo Fighters. I get an extra ball. it's all lights out i'm like where the fuck is anything going on even steph said it last or two nights ago she got burned by it she's like i couldn't see anything i go there you go which audience is hilarious because if you watched the last tournament we had at rpc one of the games we streamed was star trek which this star trek had the blackout mod in it yes but you can still see more said like oh there's the blackout mod it's the only mod one of the only ones that ever put in a game, and I'm thinking, this is the guy that hates when the lights go black. But you can still see everything still on the playfield. You cannot see anything because the lights are flashing. It's a bad look, Bruce. You literally say you hate when the lights go out, and you have the one mod you get is the blackout mod. Hey, the good thing about that blackout mod, you know what I can do? Flip one switch, and it's off. I can't do that on Foo Fighters. I can't do that on these other games, like Ghostbusters and fucking Game of Thrones. One switch. That's not true. I thought like for the winners coming, you can make it so it doesn't go insane. It's less, but it's the only game. Ghostbusters still fucking does it. And all the others. Stop.
    59:07
    So we day one of the tournament I saw that some of the games were really dark. Just this one corner. The games were in great condition, all that stuff. Okay, playfield protectors, probably not a good idea for tournaments. They're great for collections, but But really, not the same. But anyway, the one section was really dark, so I went out and I purchased kind of like biker headlamps, LED lights, and I got one for Colin McAlpine and Steve Bowden. I only bring their names up because they still haven't paid me for it. Wow!
    59:39
    I love those guys. Whatever, I'm just kidding. But anyway, we all were in the same boat. We can't see anything. So I don't know if it was Colin or Stephen that turned it on first, and someone said, no, you can't use that. It's cheating. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what? It's not cheating. And they're saying, well, it's an unfair advantage.
    59:58
    It's everyone's advantage. It distracts other players. Like, you could be playing against a wall. There's no one behind you. Exactly. That's bullshit. It's a bullshit. It's a bullshit call.
    60:07
    That's just... I would have requested my game be streamed because they had the extra lighting for the games that were streamed. You'll hear it on Final Round. I mentioned that. So, I don't know if it was just a little bit of privilege or what, but I asked JDL. I'm like, hey, I'm about to play Getaway in this dark corner. Can you stream my game? And he's like, well, it's up to Escher because Escher was running the stream at the time. I'm like, perfect. help me out brother and and he he kills well we're we're streaming these other two games i said there's a gear right over here and he goes okay we'll we'll throw it on like that's all i care i don't care if you're streaming or not just turn the lights off yeah it's just terrible and and there's other places and i won't go to those places that do that same rule yeah i mean it was a it was it was a fight at district 82 i know oh yeah oh yeah they yeah yeah they didn't want to turn the lights on and yeah the locals don't want the lights on yeah because it's an advantage they want any advantage they can get well i think they're used to it that's that's an advantage though oh okay but i just as you and i know bruce you know if you've got some bright led lights on and it's dark you're blind you can't see it you need pin shades yeah especially if you're old yes it's true it's very true but so wait a sec so if the game i have a question now and oh no let's go to this one now game didn't come with leds now it's leds is that legal it's my game sure no well is that you've modified the game i'm modifying my headgear what's the difference you're modifying your headgear you're putting a new brain in i'm putting a new brain in i guess it's hardware so they're not going to complain about that but you know what josh actually suggested and this is a good idea if they don't allow headlamps use your phone put on the flashlight and put it on the glass. And I was going to do that if I was on a game that was dark. I just put it at the top of the playfield. No one around can see it. It just shoots straight down.
    62:00
    It's just terrible. I've seen... I've got to get these. They're magnets that go on... I've seen people do it. They put magnets on the side. I love that. But I don't know if that would have been illegal or not. I think they're great. It wouldn't be... It'd be the equivalent of... What's it called? Pin stadiums.
    62:18
    Yeah. No, I think you need to be able to see the games, and that will not be an issue at the Beast. That will not be an issue at the Sanctum where I saw both you guys got in. No, I got in. Great segue. Old fart didn't over here. You didn't, Ron? Not yet. You're close, aren't you? Well, let's explain. They had their lottery, and we talked about this the last episode. Yes. We both entered into this lottery, and the top three of us, all three of us, don't get that. The top 99 people get in because the first spot is whoever won the previous year. Which was? Which was balling. Yes. Bruce got picked, what were you, ninth? Eighth. Eighth or ninth, like insane. So I finished ninth. Yes. So I got picked 127th.
    63:05
    Yep. And Zach, who was like eighth or ninth the previous year, he was second from last. Yes. So he will not be going to the sanctum. He's like, well, I got a free weekend now. That's exactly what he said. I was like, awesome. Now, last year, I think I was 130 or 140-something, and I got in. I've already moved up about four or five spots. He has. So, Ron, will you go there, even if you're, like, let's say 110, just show up in case somebody doesn't show up? He's done it. I've done it. The one year I did that, I was right before Jerry, and Jerry was pissed that I was there because then I got in, and then he didn't. Yep. Ron is now 20th. Oh, Jesus. Okay, so I moved up even more spaces. Yes, you're at 20 now. Yeah, it's highly likely I will be in the sanctum again. It's a fun tournament. I love everything about it except the three days after it. Oh, God. My body can't take it anymore.
    64:02
    My body can't take it either. I must be different. I just don't have that issue. Well, yeah, I am. Newsflash. Hello. But what I do is when I get home, I'll go to bed for like maybe three hours. and just force myself to wake up. Then I've got enough sleep where I'm not completely out of it, and then I'll just go to bed at the normal time, Sunday night, and then I wake up Monday and I go to work. You go to work on Monday? Yeah, me too. Oh, yeah.
    64:30
    If I'm at the Sanctum, I've already booked my sick days for Monday and Tuesday afterwards. Wow. But you know what? I love everything about Sanctum. My goodness, Jim does a wonderful job. Jim does an awesome job. It's such a perfect facility. The only thing I wish they would do for the Sanctum is start the tournament on Saturday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. And I'll tell you why. Oh, God, no, I never get home. I'll tell you why. Start it at 4 o in the afternoon so you don really need Friday off You start it at 4 in the afternoon It a little rough but the reason you do it that is because you done at 3 and then if you bagged the reason you done at 3 I know it 24 hours but they have the daylight saving time in there. So you'd be done at 3. The reason that would be good is because then at 3 o'clock, you could check into a hotel and sleep, because when they're done at 9 in the morning, you can't check into a hotel.
    65:21
    That's the part that kills me is, like, I just need to sleep, and I can't sleep because I can't find a place to sleep unless I have a house or bring a camper or something. But you don't need a hotel while you're playing in a 24-hour tournament. You need it afterwards. I just drive home. I can't believe you do that too. I do it every year. Yeah, he does.
    65:41
    Good tournament, though. I'm not knocking it. I love it. Jim is a great guy. He's awesome to deal with. He's a great person. They're mostly old games, so the rounds don't go on into infinity. No. And beyond. Yeah, I don't see Jerry getting in this year. Oh, no, Sab didn't get in again? No, he's 93 from it. And here's the funny thing. You want to hear the best joke of all? The Castleman signed up, all three of them. Oh, yeah. Two made it in, one ain't going to make it in. We got the father, the mom, and the kid. Yep. Carter couldn't get in, yeah. No. No, no, the dad couldn't get in. Oh, Mike.
    66:19
    So are they going to tell, hey, Dad, yeah, drop us off, and you do your thing. He is going to go. I've talked to Mike. He actually is going to go, and I think he's going to offer his streaming services, which is being new because I don't think they do it there. They used to. They have a stream thing that slides around. The back wall. Yeah. But Mike does the pinballers on Twitch. Yes, he does a great job. He's actually going to be streaming The Beast in August at the Pocketeer Billiards. He does a great job, and you should check that out because he's got a great layout too. He's got a lot of good games. The cast ones are all big pinball players. They're awesome people. Even if Lisa and Carter are playing, he said he'd stream. That's cool. Yeah. 99th he is. He ain't getting in. Hmm. Yeah. But it's a good novelty. I mean, I did it twice. I wanted to do it. It was a bucket list thing for me. I've got friends that are, Donaway and Walt Moroz, they really wanted to get in this tournament. They're excited. They're finally going to do it. I said, yeah, you'll have fun. It's the days after you got to worry about it. Oh, it's terrible. Oof. It is terrible. Well, the funny thing is, here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing. Well, I have two things. Uh-oh. The 23rd, September, is Stomp. Yep. The next week, I am going on vacation. Is that a cruise? Yes, that's another cruise. So I'm like, holy crap, this is going to be a rough week. Cruise and Bruce, you have a new name. Wow. You're Cruise and Bruce. I like that name. I love cruising. You can't be Bally Bruce anymore. You don't have enough Ballys. Do you even have any Ballys? I have one. I almost went for a second one this week. Almost bought another one. Oh, you got Hot Dog. Yes, I have Hot Dog. Oh, wow. Is that it? That's it.
    68:01
    But I almost bought another one. What's my go-to older Bally that I keep on buying and selling? Frontier? No, I haven't bought Frontier. It's a joke, Bruce. You hate Frontier. I do hate Frontier. Captain Fantastic. No. Evil Knievel. Nope. No. My guilty pleasure, Ron knows it if he thinks about it really hard. He's helped me work on one at Pocketeer.
    68:25
    Oh, I don't know, Bruce. Blackjack. Oh, Blackjack. How's that a guilty pleasure? That's an awesome game. I know, but I've owned three of them. I almost won another. I was looking at it going, do I, do I, do I, do I, and I held off. What setting do you like for Blackjack? If you tie the dealer or... Oh, tie the dealer, you get nothing. Yeah, I like that one. That's a setting, Bruce. Yeah, I don't like the tie. Yeah, you've got to win. You've got to beat your dealer. There's no push. It's so frustrating. You can hit that saucer over and over and over again, 0-0-0. And then somebody else comes up and it goes. They fall into it from the pop bumper. Hey, oh, there's some blanks in there. And they get the look of like, hey, I'm at 20 and the dealer's at 17. I understand your frustration.
    69:16
    Wow, thanks. Let's see. What else do I got here? Oh, seven years. Seven years? Yeah, just June. Been seven years of the show. We're now married. It's commonwealth.
    69:26
    Do you have the itch? The seven-year itch? I got the itch. He gave it to me. I don't know how he puts up with me for seven years. I really don't. Podcast crabs. Yes. The gift that keeps on giving. the aeg and scratchy show wow congrats seven years that so awesome uh and and oh geez i mean really you think of the podcasts that have come there have been lots And when you first started when we first started not a lot I would say less than 10. And now I can't even count how many there are. And that's great, you know, because... There are so many podcasts. There are too many podcasts. It's tough to maintain, though, as you know. Like, there's the editing. It has nothing to do with the recording. Recording, piece of cake. editing is such a fucking nightmare and it's not fun i can't you know seven years anal you are too oh and ron's really very anal yes yes so it takes way too long to edit it's not like i'm putting all kinds of sound effects and shit in either i can actually tell when ron's editing sometimes like he'll i'll ask him a question later on like hey you know what's this he's like and it's very one word boom okay i guess he's editing i'm the same way too if i have a guest on or myself if i stutter or let me let me say let me leave let me let me i'll cut all that shit out you know what i mean and the ums and ahs my favorite word is is like even i do it like you know like i like say like you know like too many times sometimes like you know you know is another one too uh where people Not as popular as it used to be. Like is the new one. You know it used to be number one. Now it's like. I don't know when that happened, when that took over. What it is is broadcasters are, and you guys are broadcasters, whether it's podcast or not, you've been doing it long enough, broadcasters are afraid of dead air. So they have to, while they're thinking of something, just throw in a word like and just saying like, you're actually thinking what the next thing you're saying. You know, you're thinking of the next thing. And so that's why we insert that it's a tough habit to break, that's for sure. That's why my mind thinks so far ahead. It's a hard habit to break.
    71:58
    I'm going through a checklist here. Do you know who Lior is, Jeff? The name rings a bell. He's the guy who does all those cool mods like the moving dinosaur head or the improved moving dinosaur head in Jurassic Park, the cool-looking bridge. Yeah. He does all the really cool-looking sculpts. Well, he's working with a pinball manufacturer now, according to Nap Arcade. Hi, Nap. I don't know who it is. It doesn't say.
    72:26
    But since I have several of his mods, I figure I'll mention it. There was more news this week. We got someone else a job. We're good. Really? Yes. Kyle Spiteri of Barco Pinball. Nice. He's going to Stern. he's going to be part of their tech support since I complained about tech support they just had to do something about it 100% he was on our show a year ago and Bruce complained about tech support and boom we take full responsibility congratulations Kyle yep you owe us he knows the stuff no question about it wow and he will still be doing the Marco podcast the Marco show is he going to stay in South Carolina no they're making a move to Chicago. Which is weird. I wonder what the... They seem to want most people to move there. Yes. But they do have programmers that I know do not live there. Yes. And their main sound guy, Jerry Thompson, does not live there. He lives in Northwest. It depends on how much power you have. I guess so. He's got the power! Power! I'm sure if Ellen said, look, I'm moving back to San Diego area... California would be like, okay, we'll move... We'll put all this stuff there for you. No, well, what do you need? What do you need for your workshop? We'll give you whatever you need. Stern Pinball West. I mean, it's different now that we're out of COVID, but do you think they would allow something like that to happen? Stern's pretty, you know, I used to think Keith held all the power and could do everything, but I've been told, you know, maybe that's not the case. I don't think that's the case. I don't think everyone seems to think, too, that they are getting all these residuals from their designs and shit. I don't think that's a thing anymore. I don't. I think they cut that out. I think that was only for like if – when Steve Ritchie, Pat Waller were doing it as outside entities. Yes. But as far as in-house, that's probably one of the reasons they got rid of Steve Ritchie when they fired everybody is they just want it all in-house because they wouldn't have to pay stuff like that. That's when Borg was their only designer for a few years there. And don't forget, when you have outside people in outside states, you have to follow their labor laws in those states, and then you have to file employee stuff and everything else in all these different states, which makes it really hard. Yeah, Steve was in California. Yeah. I think Lawler was still in Illinois, so. Yep. But I mean, like, you know, when you do it that way, you know, they have to, oh, we've got to file California state sales tax. Now we got to file the workman comp for California and that kind of stuff and it just you have seven people in seven different states you know it a lot of work And if you screw up one of them it not worth it When does Stern move? August, I believe. I think they want to be ready for Expo. Expo, because the Expo factory tour is supposed to be in the new factory. Yes. Virtual this time? I would assume it's in person. I think it's going to be in person this time. I hope so. And I'm wondering what the new facility, like almost all the programmers now work from home. I'm wondering if they're going to ask any of them to come in or, or are they going to get offices or cubes or however they're going to do it? I don't know. So why, okay. Okay. Why do they have to be in the office when you have zoom? Think of all the, think of all the time just traveling. Certainly Chicago's got traffic issues too. So, you know, all that time is wasted time. You can see when people are, you know, doing keystrokes, you can see that you can have, You can have Zoom calls. Programming, I could see maybe once a week or every few weeks they'd get together with the game and talk about stuff or whatever. But actually just getting down and programming, I don't see any reason they'd have to be on site. It's archaic.
    76:08
    You know what it is? It's managers, and this isn't just Stern, this is everybody. It's managers probably saying, I just want to do a head count. Old school, punch a clock and stuff. But it's definitely wasted time if there's a lot of travel involved and traffic and things like that. And bad weather. It's not like Chicago's got perfect weather all the time, even aside from the Canadian smoke. I'm old enough that I actually did punch in. Like an old card. I still punch. Well, not a card, but I swipe. Like an old, yeah. But mine was the old, like. I had an old punch card, yeah. That ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. Yeah. And you make sure you had to line it up right. And then you make sure it didn't smudge. Oh, yeah. So it goes in the right. Yeah. So it goes in the right. Yeah. Correct. Wow. Yeah, they were old. Really old. Why did I mention that? I'm sorry. Because you're fucking old. Yeah.
    76:59
    Haggis. They had a teaser for their new game. I love teasers. Where they just trolled and revealed nothing. Yeah, revealed nothing except for two things. They have sound effects. It sounded like you're in a bar and you hear a pool being played. Like, oh, 8-Ball Deluxe. But then you hear a motorcycle. Like, oh, Centaur. Okay. So what is it? It's one of the two, which we knew anyway. We knew that, yeah. Yeah. Troll. Troll, troll, troll. Troll-a-lo-lo. Hey, Mark's getting his Scooby-Doo. He just put his full payment in. Mark, one of the owners of the RPC. Yep, so we'll probably have a Scooby-Doo. Woo-hoo!
    77:37
    I know everyone bashed that one. I've never played it. I've literally never played it. I played it, and you solve mysteries. I mean, that's what I would think you would do if you play a Scooby-Doo game. And when you finish the mode, they do the unmasking, you know, like, and it's so-and-so. I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you battling kids. Yes. I mean, that's how I would have done the game. I agree. I've shot it a few times. I find it fun. Yes, there are a lot of shots you can't see when it goes on the lower play field. Yeah, it's a real sneaky. But I thought the upper play field was kind of neat. I love that kind of weird flipper on the upper left. Yeah, it took me a while to figure out, like, oh, I've got to hold that up so it actually goes up to the upper play field. Yeah. Anyway, if I'm a Scooby-Doo fan, that's a perfect game. Oh, yeah, totally. If you love that theme, it's gorgeous. Yeah, it looks tremendous. Yeah. Scooby-Dooby-Doo. Where are you? Marty has a problem with the voices. Now, I respect that it's, I think, Frank Welker, but Frank is obviously much older now, and his timbre and his sound isn't exactly there anymore. Robust now. Yeah, it's too bad. You want to respect the original, but it just misses a few times. Oh, yeah. Especially when you've got Mark Silk available. I know. I don't understand that. I don't understand why they didn't do that.
    79:03
    Pulp Fiction production update. This is also from Nap Arcade. Hi, Nap. I'm not going to go through his 30 zillion rumored titles. No.
    79:14
    Let's see. It looks like it's October for a small run for locations and distributors with the newer coin door, the regular coin door, the one that actually takes, you know, the HAP coin door. Yes. And let's see. CGC will watch these games closely and then mass production process. Oh, God, mass production process.
    79:37
    Let's see. another batch of machines scheduled for December and January, with the limited editions not to be built until after February 2024 at the earliest. God, Whitey. They have a problem there. What? It takes a while. It takes a long while for them. It took way longer to do Cactus Canyon. Oh, yeah, I know. Than it has any other game. And it's like it's not their first or second one. It's their fourth game. Guys, come on. Yeah, they've got a winner there. You'd like to be able to flip that out before more titles come out and you're like, exactly. Oh, wait a second. Yeah, that guy's getting his game before I got mine and they've had my money for over a year and a half. Are either of you getting it? No. I thought about it. It's one of those I wanted the LE if I was going to get one. The topper looks that awesome. Yeah. I've seen it. I mean, I played it in person. Once I couldn't really get that, it was like, eh. Ron, you made fun of me, and I loved it. I've tried to play it twice, once at Allentown. Great show, by the way, Bruce, at Texas Pinball Festival. And the lineups were just too long, and Ron's like, oh, I'm Jeff Teolis. I don't wait in line. I'm like, no, I don't fucking wait in line. 15 minutes is my tops, and I can go play another game? No. I'm Jeff Teolis. I'm on the VIP list. I come in after everyone's gone. Fucking right I do. Yeah. I just fart, and they're like, oh, who did this? That's actually, that's a good idea. Come on, Bruce. Bruce, save those. Bruce, save it. Save it. You always have one in the chamber. Save it for tournaments. Always got one. I'm sure that's how you won at RPC, right? It is. Yep, exactly. Made Ron tear up, and that was it.
    81:21
    I'd rather have your farts than your snoring. Oh, my snoring's great. Awesome. It happens. It does. All right. We asked for some Facebook questions, and we have two. And one is specifically for Jeff Teolis. Of course. That's what I asked for. This is from Corey. He asks, questions for the People's President, Jeff Teolis. Given your extensive travels, how would you categorize similarities and differences in the scenes of the places you've gotten to play? What are some of the regions doing that is worth emulating? game um five four three worth emulating uh i i can't give you the specific region regions but you know um i like and i we saw papa do this in their later days you know the main bank it used to always be always always always moderns and they're like this takes too long so yes they added some classics in there and i think that's important to do so i know for the beast we've got we've got a mix of uh some solid states we've got some leds and some dmds you have to mix it up so when tournaments uh are all modern games that's a real tough one too so i can't think i i i'm not trying to dodge the question i can't think of a place i've been to where i'm like fuck i'll never go there again they all had some special things well differences in the scenes like in the northwest where they all like oh hi and then texas See all the guns. I mean, like.
    82:54
    You know, pinball's pinball everywhere. I mean, as Bruce said earlier, it's got to be well lit. That's important, too. But Seattle, I mean, you just walk out and you can see pinball everywhere. That's such a fun place. And I've only been once, and I have to get back there because that must be so much fun. And what is it, Oregon? Oregon. Did I say it right? Yes, you said it right. Oregon, that looks like another hot spot. I haven't really been too much. um i california i i remember going to uh a few places and i found them pretty dark i was like that's not that's not fun but that free gold watch was spectacular i'm so sad that they're not doing the city champ anymore europe was i've been to a few places denmark was uh that's the thing okay here's the specifics in europe i found much more crowded so whereas we space things out a lot better in North America, especially at big tournaments. That's not the case in Europe for the few times I've been there. And that's not every place for sure, but I've played machines where I've had people stand right at the same level as me holding the flippers and even people standing beside the machine against the side art cab. And I'm like, oh, this is, you know, it's fine for Roger Sharp trying to save the shot in New York with all the cameras and stuff. not when I'm playing every single game that's a little, I like my space a little bit. They did that in the Dutch too for Netherlands too also, I agree. Yeah, so that's the one thing I think you need to space things out a little more. And you hear them too, like right next to you, like oh, you're like fuck!
    84:31
    Sometimes less is more. Like, Pocketeer has a lot of the games for Beast, but I'm specifically spreading them a lot of the games are actually going to be off the playfields, off the floor areas so that I can have more space in between games. I should ask a European. Stu, what do you think of that? I think North Americans are pussies. Wow, thanks, Stu. There you go. Thanks, Stu. Expected nothing less from Stu Yes nothing at all less Let see Corey had some more questions Has max match play been the proper replacement for flip frenzies in 2023 It is a replacement but no The mistake I think that the IFPA made was how they nerfed the flip frenzies not once but twice. Yeah. And the reason they reversed it twice is it maxes out at 100% and then it's only worth half. So that's twice. and even a third way too is tournaments now can be 200%. Well, you can't do that with Flip Frenzy. So the correct way of fixing a Flip Frenzy would have been insist on a playoff of a pop-up style or IFPA style. I would have limited the number of players. If you have 10 machines, you can't have more than 20 players. Maybe that would have helped too because the worst thing for Flip Frenzy is that people were fucking up was they would have so many people in the tournament and so few machines. so the queue lines would be half an hour long.
    85:57
    There were ways to fix it, and it was... I'm not going to say it was a lazy fix. Josh will say it to anyone. The reason it was nerfed, it was too efficient. That seems like a weird problem to have, right? It was too good. Yeah. So I would have liked to see them fix it a little bit. And the new IFPA 6.0 is going to change things, I think, for the better. and even though it hurts me big time. Oh, it hurts me big time. My rating's going to suck. Mine's going to be terrible, but I think it's a little more accurate. The only thing they have to fix on 6.0 is basically what 6.0 is doing. Sorry, people are tuning out. They're not going to because, first of all, they're not going to. You say tournament talk bumps people out. Tournament talk is what got me more into pinball. Playing in tournament got me, that was the crack. That was the addiction. That's why I like pinball so much. So 6.0 is going to basically, if you play in a tournament and you get 10 points, but the winner got 20% of the points. So that 20% is going to be applied to how many points were possible in the tournaments that you played, and that's your efficiency rating. That is going to be a big, big factor. Well, the only thing that doesn't really take into consideration is the quality of players you're playing. Yeah, it never will. If you go to District 82, you're playing some of the best players in the world. So, of course, you're probably not going to get all the maximum points there unless you're Escher or Jason Zoller or these great players. So it should have some factor into who you're playing because I can play a local tournament. I'm not saying me, but a person can play a local tournament and just dominate that over and over and over again, and they'll have a huge efficiency rating. I don't know if that's all the factors. They're missing one. Let's see. Reflections on IFPA 18. I think you kind of talked about that. Yeah, we did. What ballparks that you haven't been to are up there on the wish list? I've got four left that I have to do, and doing one next summer, that would be in San Diego. That's the one I really want to go to. Yeah, I'd like to go to Petco. And I actually want to go to what was once known as Enron Field. Oh, that's Minute Maid. Minute Maid, yeah. I've been there. It's not bad. It's weird. It's not bad. The roof is neat, but they never open it. So those are two of the ones I want to go to. Yeah. Okay. From Glenn, oh, God. Now that your extensive pinball travels are done for quarter two, how many hours until you start working on the Reach Around Awards Volume 2, The Search for More Money?
    88:36
    The Reach Arounds were so much fun to do. This is what we did on the final round. It was basically our sarcastic version of award shows, And really the joke of the show was how people really, really, really, really, really love getting awards or like asking for votes for awards. So we just said, oh, screw that. You want an award? Here, you buy it. And we did that with the exception of some of the awards, including the one you won, Bruce, including the one you won, Ron. Yep. Still on my toilet. Displayed proudly. It's right next to me on my easy chair. It's right next to me. Glenn 1-1-2. But he didn't have to pay for it. But other people did, and that's fine. And listen, all the paying for it really did was just cover the cost of the trophy and to ship the damn thing. It wasn't going in our pocket, so we screwed up in that sense. But yeah, it was such a fun show to do. There were 40 voices on the thing. I will say my proudest podcast moment ever is just how much production went into putting that show together. that I'm like, okay, if I can't do better, I'm not going to do another one. And that's what I, you know, there was a lot of coordination and writing into the Reach Around Award. It's still one of my, it makes me laugh. I heard it, I don't know, about six months ago, and it cracked me up. And everyone that contributed did such a great job It something to listen to It was a good one And if you want to see a Reach Around Award you can come to Stop and see it when you go to the restroom Yes. I think Glenn brought his to TPF and had Marty and I sign ours. Nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll have to bring mine to Beast so I get at least one signature. There you go.
    90:16
    Let's see. Finishing up on new stuff, we got famous Fun Spot Arcade opens new pinball section. Yeah. It looks really nice. Surprise, surprise. Oh, sorry. Fun Spot is in Laconia, New Hampshire. It is. And I went there for the first time in 2003. This was like a precursor to all my pinball stuff, and it was insane. But their pinball had tons of pinballs there, but they were never in the greatest condition. But it looks like that is being addressed. They put a lot of money into it, it looks like. I know the owner, it's the Lawton family owns it, and Bob was the, him and his brother started it in 1936. 1952. And he died a few years ago, so the rest of the family took it over. And I think one of the sons is more into pinball, so I think that's what's precipitated the improvement in pinball. So I will probably be going there actually before the Beast, like that week, early in the week before the Beast, I will be going to Fun Spot. Check it out. Let's see. Did that one already? Oh, Holpin adds a center post to all future This Is Spinal Tap pinball machines. This is very important, Jeff. They need to put a post in front of the coin slot so you don't put your money in. Yeah.
    91:35
    Yeah, I agree. Yeah, they tested it at a British pub, and it was too hard. Oh, wait a minute. A British pub in Taipei. Okay. And it was too hard, so they put a post in.
    91:47
    Wow. You'd think they would have thought that out beforehand. Let's see. And supposedly the next Stern Pinball Cornerstone game will be playable at Comic-Con. Yes. Do we all think it's Venom at this point? No, it was last year Venom. Well, I still think it's Venom. It is Venom. And I think it's got to be comic book Venom. Otherwise, why would Zombie Eddie be on it? Which that is confirmed. I mean, it's definitely Zombie Eddie art with Brian Eddie on design and Dwight Sullivan on the software. So it almost has to be the comic book art style. Hopefully it's very dark. Which game that hasn't been rumored do you think is going to come out? I mean, I guess you could throw any title, and someone maybe has said it once, but did you think it was weird at Comic-Con last year? They had Todd McFarlane and Ozzy both there. Okay, what's going on, and when's that coming? And by the way, the Beavis and Butthead booth was, like, right across from it. I just want to mention that. Yes.
    92:44
    Okay, I went through the list. Ready for the ball bag? Because there's a lot of stuff in the ball bag. Oh, you want to do repairs? I got one. Okay. Ron? It's not even my game. Oh, yes, I heard about this. So after I was at it, I'll quiz you, see if you come up with the same conclusions here. So after the Rochester tournaments, I came back Sunday and played in a local tournament. At the local? No, not at the local, in Troy. At the, what is it called? The Kickback. It is a bed and breakfast themed. It's Mike Magoo, who's the local. We had him on? Yes, we did. Yeah, we had him on. It's his pinball and bed and breakfast. I said, okay. It's in Troy, and he was having a tournament.
    93:30
    So when I came in there, I saw a sea witch. So I played a sea witch, and the first thing I noticed is the upper flipper, the upper left flipper, is kind of fluttering. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So what would you think that is? It could be three things. Well, give me what you think it is. The most obvious first. EOS switch. Yep. That's what it was. So the EOS switch, the switch that actually fires the upper flipper is on the lower flipper, and I figured it was misadjusted. It's like it was barely touching, so it would kind of like just flutter. And that's what it was. Yeah. Okay, fixed. Great. The other issue is you turn the thing on, when it would make the tones, they sounded completely different and a completely different spacing. Mm-hmm. Wrong speed. on the CPU. Okay. What would cause that?
    94:21
    Well, if he had a new board in it. That's the first thing I ask. I'm like, what board do you have in this thing? Yes. The other thing it would do, the sounds weren't right. After the second ball, before the third ball, it usually shows the high score. It did it, but it was so slow. Yeah, it's the speed. And I'm thinking, like, it's running the Bally clock speed. Not concerned. Yeah. So, yep, you had all tech in there. And guess where the jumper was set to? It was set to Bally. Set it to MPU 200? boom look at that ta-da that was my repair and I won a couple games on it so it turns out it was a good thing I got it working Two for two This is why Jeff picked me for one of the techs You guys both know I know nothing when it comes to tech. But, but, it's not like a fast forward this. I actually listen and learn and I guess that's the only way to eventually figure things out especially if you're going to own machines is get your hands dirty and go on, listen to these podcasts, go on YouTube, talk to other people when you're all done I've got a question to ask both of you oh goody excellent that is one thing I'll say has changed with the scene more than anything is well I know when Bruce got into it because he was in there like in the 90s but when I got into it it's like if you own games you had to fix them oh you had to figure it out there was no people who just had games but like oh I just have a guy or anything like that it was kind of a smaller community and everybody You would actually type on RGP, hey, I got this issue, I did this, this, and this, what do I do next? Now these people just go, my game's broken!
    96:04
    And you've got to try to figure out everything else. But, in a way, it's good to have more people actually having games.
    96:12
    It's better for the hobby the more people that are in it. I agree. Despite what some people may say. Well, especially since home collections have taken over for the dominant part. Yeah, and I found if you're a member of a club, a group of people, and you know nothing about how to repair, maybe there's someone else in the club who does, and that's how they do it. Yeah. I know that's how they do it, like the Orange County guys. There's ones that fix everything and ones that don't really fix that much, but they work together to keep the games running.
    96:42
    Okay, Bruce, what do you got? I got two things. Free fall, boot it up and run it away. Just got a couple of switch adjustments. but a free fall is going in right to the vault wait a minute into the vault what's the vault basement oh okay but it's working and it sound works everything else so very happy with that i'm just gonna let it burn in a couple more hours and just a couple more switches but it actually works second thing is cheetah is back baby nice from the incident yes the incident so So the cabinet has been repaired. I have put a whole new bottom board in, replaced a couple parts that got damaged during the drop, and fixed a couple things. Is this the Frank and Cheetah? Frank and Cheetah. During the last tournament, before the Bells and Chimes tournament, I was adjusting a switch on the pop bumper, the upper pop bumper. And I bumped the cabinet a little bit. Well, you moved the cabinet with the play field up. Yeah. And the whole cabinet went right through the floor. Holy shit. Well, that only happened because you were talking to the person who had the issue. Yes. As the play field starts to come down, then you try to catch it. Hurt my hand. You hurt your hand. But, yeah, so it took me about a couple weeks, figured out the wood, got it all done. If you look at it, Zach even came over and was like, oh, looks pretty good. Which for Zach, hey, I was, wow. Wow, that's amazing. Yes, I was amazed.
    98:10
    So that is all done. It should be back on the floor probably by next week at the beautiful Rochester Pinball Collective. So then you'll have 51 games? No, because one's going off for repairs. Okay. We're going to start pulling some games out and re-going through them like we did with Stargate. And Stargate's ready to come back out, too. So there's going to be some changes. I almost forgot I got a game. What'd you get? Iron Maiden. I know. Well, you didn't mention it. I got that since the last episode, Bruce. I know. It was mentioned. Yeah, it was mentioned briefly. Yes. Not enough. The funny thing is, after I get the thing set up, I'm breaking the box down, and I notice there's all these nuts and screws at the bottom of the box. Oh, no, I hate that. I hate when that happens.
    98:54
    And there's really only one place that would come from, and that would be the head, because of the position that it's in. Yeah. And I look in the back box, and everything's there. So I'm guessing the workers just, like, they're putting the nuts in, like, oh, I dropped that one. Okay, next one. Keep going. I dropped that one. Keep going, keep going, keep going. We're in here for money. Just make it go faster. Congratulations on that. And everything worked. Yeah. And Mummy Multi Ball is way different, isn't it? Oh, Mummy is totally different. I replaced all the coil stops just to start with. You threw the balls right out, right? Oh, yeah. Different balls. And I think that's all I did. It worked pretty much out of the box. Everything seems to be functioning correctly. Nice. It is nice. So I have repair questions. Okay, go for it. On my Ollie game, the one flipper was sticking up, and here's what I looked for. First thing, coil sleeve. It was filthy. Okay. So that's an easy fix to change that, correct? Yep. And then I always hear you guys talk about, and it's more modern sterns that you guys imagine. the coil stops, and even Bruce, or even Ron, just getting the new Iron Maiden, you changed the coil stops on a new-in-the-box machine. Yep. So I looked at the Ali one, and it's a little, it's not, you know, it's not even. It's been worn down. So where are you getting your coil stops? Help me find some new coil stops. Pinball Life. It's the only place you can get them that are authentic style. The only problem with them is they magnetize. Oh, they do? I haven't had any magnetized. Okay. Oh, they do get magnetized. Don't know why, but once in a while you'll see just the flipper sticks, and you're like, and you take, you know, you're taking everything apart, and then all of a sudden, chink, it pops because you bumped it too hard. And then I get the pieces out, and I'm going against it, and you can feel they're sticking. The other thing I'll say, replacing the coil stops thing, that's just on newer sterns. That's only on newer sterns. And that's really the last few years. I think they make their own coil stops or something, and they just shed gold. Yes. dust. There's gold in them narwhals. Yeah, and then it'd actually just fall apart. Yeah. But on your stern, you want pinball life. And you have to go for it's either 6mm or 8mm threads. But the magnetizing, wouldn't that be worse? No, but it's the only place you can get them. Because I've gotten them from Marco, and Marco gets them from pinball life. So guess what? You're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. You said it was sticking up. It was sticking up, but when I take the closely- No, no, I'm talking about Jeff's issue. When you said sticking up, was it just binding?
    101:34
    When you turn off the game, it's still up, right? Yes. Okay, so it's binding. Or it's caught on something. That's the two things it could be. Okay. So the roll pin could be popped even out. That's how stupid it could be. The other thing about the sterns, that's an alley. Yeah. So that's MPU 200. Yep, type 2. Yeah, it's a type. Is it type 2? Type 2. Oh, yeah. Type 1 changed in Flight 2000.
    102:02
    Big game. I've seen them on both. I have a play field right in my back. I showed Zach. I'm like, look. He's like, that shouldn't be there. I'm like, I agree. Yeah, big game is supposedly where they changed. So is Allie after big game or before big game?
    102:16
    I don't know. IPDB. So what's your next question while I'm looking? I have a Joker poker, the solid state version. I love that game. And it has a Pascal board in it. Mm-hmm. So there is a unique fuse. It's a circular fuse. Yes, it is. I think it's eight. Yes, they use the European-style fuses that are really small. They're black. They're black, or you can get them in red, but they have, like, two prongs. It's circular. And, you know, there's not much involved in the Pascal board. So these fuses are blowing all the time because, obviously, him getting too much power going into the board from the displays.
    102:59
    So I bought a bag of these fuses. By the way, $8 each. Each. Yep. Really expensive. And I was still blowing the fuse, so I thought, you know what, screw this. I'm just going to make it a two-player game. I unplugged the displays on three and four, and now it's blowing with two. I'm like, oh, shit. I'll just make it a one-player game. I had a league night over. I'll just make it a one-player game. and the fucker blew again. I'm like, okay, so either it's the first score display or something else, and I can't figure out what the something else is. Well, you can change the score display. Just move them around.
    103:37
    Yeah, but why are they blowing? Usually they don't blow. Those displays, unless they're really outcast and they have big, humongous burn marks in them, they don't usually go bad.
    103:50
    So they're really good. One thing you're wrong, like one out of like 50 will be bad. Why is it getting so much power that it's blowing the fuse? Well, it could be the power supply feeding from the Pascal, but the Pascal has its own power supply, if I remember correctly, on it. So, yeah. You got the all-in-one Pascal, or did you get the...
    104:08
    I would check the voltage going out of it. And as I said, just swap the one and four display. Okay. And then plug it on the one. Are most of the Gottlieb replacement boards made in Europe? Not all. Well, Swimmer is in the U.S., but we just found out today or yesterday when we were working on stuff, there's no fucking documentation on the Swimmer stuff at all. And he's like, well, I do it as a hobby. Still. Oh, we know you hate lack of documentation. Fuck no. God. Ali and Big Game, same month being built. Hmm. 80. That makes sense because in that video of the old Stern factory, those are the games they show. Big Game and then they show it Ali. Yep. Okay. Well, thanks, guys. those are the only two I had. I think we have more, actually, from the ball bag.
    104:55
    Let go for the ball bag It a very full ball bag Let see First email from Derek Can Tim Sexton come back on as a guest to the show He hasn't been on the show or anything really in years. Great. Last time he was on was for Led Zeppelin.
    105:13
    So there are different ways people approach when they get a job in the industry. You know, someone like Raymond Davidson, it's just like everything. pinball, work pinball, tournaments pinball, pinball, pinball, pinball. Timmy, when he joined Stern, he purposely stopped streaming his Timball's channel at the keystone maybe one or two streams in years, and neither of them are pinball related.
    105:38
    He likes to separate the pinball stuff from the life stuff. Plus he has his regular life also. His regular life, and he just doesn't do... The only time you get him on a show is if he has a game coming out. And that's it. And we'll probably try to get him when he has his next game come out. Yeah. So that's why you haven't seen him. Yes. If Tim wants to come on, he's always welcome. Yes, but I don't think he listens to podcasts. Yeah, I don't think he wants to be even, you know, like, yeah, just bothered with it. It's my life and I'll do what I want.
    106:12
    Okay, this next one is from Robert. Hi, Robert. Bruce and Ron, congratulations on a great fundraiser. Random question. What should I do with all the incandescent bulbs I have left over from the various LED upgrades I've done on my machines? First kick yourself in the ass for how much money you spent. I do have one machine I've kept old school. But, jeez, how many spares do I need? Ideas? RPC need them? I can't be the only collector with this problem. Oh, yeah, you're not. Honestly, I mean, I'm a hoarder, so I'd keep them. Yeah, because they're not going to be available eventually. Yes. because they won't be available eventually. Just if they have the chrome top, like they're starting to turn dark and get rid of them because they're just going to burn. But if they're perfectly good, especially if they're older ones that are good, like old GEs, they're better than anything they make now. So they'll keep working. Like Ron makes fun of me because I bought a lot of bulbs lately. Yeah, but then I got in one of your orders. You did? Yeah. I have 3,000 bulbs downstairs in my house. Yikes. Yeah. Got to have those bulbs, man. Got to have them. especially incandescents. LEDs, you can get them anywhere. So we're saying keep them. But if you want to give them to the RPC, Bruce would take them. I'll take them. I'll have to go through them all. I'll probably throw out half of them, but I would take them. We keep sometimes ICGs. If they're 44s, I'll throw them out. If they're 47s, I'll keep them.
    107:38
    Yeah, for those of you. The 44s are brighter. They're higher. Yeah. And they're higher. Yeah. So. It's the sockets I want to get. Oh, we have sockets. We have tons of sockets. Okay. And you know how you have the Lopsicles? Yeah. You know, with all the LEDs. Yopsicles, yes. Yopsicles? I mean, sorry. We have the Zaxicles. Oh, God. What are those? Zach made his own boards. Of course he did. And we're using them in one of the games right now at RPC.
    108:09
    Oh, God. This email. These emails went out to various people. Jeff might have got one of these. They've been sending them to various podcasts. They sent this to Silver Ball Chronicles 2. What is it, Manscaping? No.
    108:24
    By Harry Bush's good drop-down. It's the George Spelvin emails, the mysterious new pinball company that have been trolling around. Remember, Bruce, they were at Allentown. They put some of their something is coming pictures all over the place. Well, this is getting kind of fucked up now. The emails basically, we had a great time at the licensing show, and it's just pictures from the licensing show that just happened. And they got creeper pictures of like Jack, Jersey Jack. They're all following the other places. Then they got a picture of Gary Stern talking to some people. They got a picture of Roger Sharp checking in. And with a little thing, things are not always what they seem. Guys, stop it. Just stop. It's fucked up. Don't be creeping around. It's just a troll at this point. I think I've been blessed. I don't have any of those emails. It's just you. Yeah, I think by bringing them up, we've failed. We've fallen into their trap. No, it's not, because I'll just call them an asshole.
    109:25
    Wow. Say it right out. All's I can say is your games better not suck. Yeah, because if they do, oh, wait.
    109:34
    All right, Daniel. Davis and Butthead, here it comes. Oh, God. Daniel. Hi, Daniel. What's up, Slam Tilt guys? Thanks for your helping troubleshoot the 50 rollovers on Superman.
    109:49
    Oh, the 50-style rollover. Okay. Yes. I just brought Meteor home. Yes. Good decision And I getting ready to restore it Can you give me some tips on how to set up the machine properly Let see Pitch flipper placement ROM spinner adjustment anything else I should know. Okay. Pitch, as high up as it'll go. Yep. Flipper placement, where the alignment pins are. They're pretty accurate. Yes, there. I actually take the alignment pins out and just use the hole. Yes. So it doesn't hit against the pin because it puts an indentation in the flipper rubber, which is annoying. ROM, whatever the latest Scott Charles ROM is for this. Without the bug.
    110:31
    You can also get the one on IPDB. I think there's a fixed version that doesn't have the bug where the game counts up bonus forever. 255 times it goes to the max.
    110:43
    Spinner adjustment. Clean it and lube it. Clean it, sand the metal parts of the spinner, lube it. Anything else I should know? Take that drop target mat completely apart and clean everything. Make sure you go through that thoroughly because that needs to work. Wow. Second thing is you want to do is get rid of those light – don't get rid of the light boards and get the newer style light boards. Oh, yeah. They got – yeah. They got the circuit board light boards that you can get for – who sells those? I can't remember. I wanted to get them on. He didn't want to come on the show. So I was like, I'll look for them right now. We still like you though. Yes, I like his stuff. Yes. Just search on the Internet for it. You'll find it. He sells light boards, replacement light boards for things like Meteor. Pinball replacement parts. There you go, for 9-ball. It's $44 for the boards, and then you have to get the turn-style sockets because they go to a 555. Yep. But I do recommend them. Then you'll never have issues again. Let's see. I left my keys at my buddy's house, so I haven't had a chance to tear into it. But here are the issues I've noticed just from playtesting. Oh, we have issues. Oh, boy. Some switches aren't registering. Mostly rollovers. The leftmost E target on Meteor breaks frequently and gets stuck in the upward position. Remember that thing I told you about taking that mech out and going through it? There you go. The rocket display only works intermittently. There you go. That's another thing for the... The rocket? What's the rocket display? That's the center. The center. Oh. That's where we set the boards. Only plays two-player games. Players three and four displays aren't working. Oh. on occasion, the ball gets stuck between the shooter lane and the trough. I'm getting flipper hop on the right flipper coming off of the lane guide. Jesus. Okay. If I remember, those lane guides are just the metal guide. The metal is metal. So just take it out and bend it. Yes. That's one thing about Stern on a lot of them. They use those metal guides. They're kind of cheap, but they're awesome in that they're easy to adjust and make it work right. And the lockdown bar is screwed into the side of the cab. Wow. We don't have enough time to go through all the issues. Well, the lockdown bar, you can replace, but I don't know why it'd be screwed. No, there are actually screws. There's actually three bolts. It uses the three bolts from the outer door shell, the outer framing. From the lockdown bar or the holder? Both. What's the best way to get parts for classic sterns? Pinball life or flippers. Pinball life. Actually, yeah. They have a lot of the classic stern parts where they used to not be available. Yeah. For game-specific stuff, eBay.
    113:23
    Keep your old drop targets. Do not replace. Do not replace, even if they suck, if they're dirty. Clean them up. You can get decals for the stuff where it's faded off. Yes, just do not replace them. Do not replace them if you put new ones in there. You're going to hate life. If you put a new one in there, then you've got to put them all new in the bank. Otherwise, it will not line up right. Yes. And the new ones brick horribly. Yeah. I don't know about the 3D printed ones, though, that that guy does on Pinside. I don't know. I wouldn't mind trying those. If he wants to send us a set, we'll try them out. See, is it a matter of just going to shows and picking up used parts and buying off of eBay? Yes.
    114:05
    And you made a wise selection of game. Pretty good. Meteor is probably the best during game. No, it's not. Stars is maybe second, but something about Meteor. Reverse. I put Meteor fourth. Whoa! Quicksilver or Stargazer? Quicksilver. No. Honestly, it's stars. Quicksilver, Stargazer, big game. Then I'll put Meteor in fifth. You're high. I worship at the altar of Steve Kirk. Yes, almighty Steve Kirk.
    114:34
    Got an email from Glenn. Hi, Glenn. Hey, hosts. What are the top... Oh, no. He gave us a contest here. What are the top five games with good layouts but bad rules that come to mind? I can't. I can think of one that I would love to see different rules for.
    114:53
    Maybe we could just each give one Mine is Roller Coaster Tycoon Yes definitely Great play field terrible rules Everyone just starts modes and times them out I totally agree That a good one I mean that the first one that came to my mind too Exactly.
    115:08
    Hmm. Bad rules. Great layout. I don't want to say they're bad rules. It's just they are what they are, but I do like the layout. It was done purposely to make things a little easier. The rules are fine. It's just I'd like to see a little more from Munsters. Oh, yeah, true. Totally agree. I like Playfield. Playfield was okay. Yeah, I like it. I actually like the rules. Let me correct. I like the rules. I just wish there was another level of it to get to the madness as quickly as. That's all. I just wish there was another layer to it. But the rules are fine as is. It just needs another level because I do like playing it. And some of the older games, the Arpino boards help out too with that kind of stuff. So, you know, the new stuff that we had the guy on for, so that really helps out some of the older games. I wouldn't mind some alternate ROMs for Judge Dredd. Yeah. That play field is incredible. Yes, it's nice. One of the best uses of the wide body you will ever see. I'm not saying it's terrible rules, but it's just, there could have been more done with it. Yeah. Especially with the memory drop targets or anything like that, it does work really well. The music alone, come on. I would actually love it rethemed to a comic book. It is a comic book. No, no, I mean with, you know. Oh, the movie. You want the movie. Yeah. I'm sorry, the movie, yes. Oh, God, you want Stallone? I want Stallone.
    116:34
    That'd be awesome. I thought people criticized that one. I know Carl Urban did one, too. Yeah, that one's really bad. The Carl Urban one's good. No, it's Carl Urban. They criticized the Stallone one because he kept taking off his mask. I don't know.
    116:49
    Me and Bruce are going to be flip-flop on this one. The Carl Urban one was good. I don't like that one. You're wrong. I like Carl Urban, so, you know. He's the best in the boys. Billy Butcher? Oh, fuck yeah. I love the boys. I can't wait for the next season. God. It's on hold. It's already filmed and done, but indefinite now because of the registry. Let's see. Have alternate ROMs fix them? We don't seem to have many games with alternate ROMs here in Tennessee that I know about. Is that because we are too green? Will we eventually see the light and incorporate them?
    117:19
    Eh. What is the life scullery for a tournament pinball scene? I don't know what that means. Don't know either. Life scullery? Don't know what you mean. You have confused us. You have confused us, man. We are confused. Let's see. Scullery. I need to look up that word. So it is... Maybe this will help us. Scullery means a small kitchen or room at the back of the house used for washing dishes. I wash my dishes always when I'm playing pinball in a tournament.
    117:49
    Okay. It's the one missing mode on Diner. It is. Show us in the back. That's another game. A Diner could use a little bit more of a rule. It's a great play field, just a little bit more. Something else.
    118:01
    I don't know what you would do, but I just would love to have a little bit more. Like a lot of the System 11s just need another step and not what they're doing with these kits. These kits suck. All right. We have last one from the Pinball Princess.
    118:16
    Oh, no. Yes, it's long. I'm going to go sleep for a few minutes. I'll see you later, guys. I'm going to try to say it quickly here because she also has a game. Okay. And we're at two hours in, folks. This is going to be a long episode. It's going to be a long episode. And it's so great. I can't cut anything out. I mean, everything has been incredible. Awesome.
    118:32
    So, from the Pinball Princess, Dear Ron and Bruce, Thank you so much for your help this weekend with the tournaments, and you doubtlessly already spoke about in depth. Yes, we did. I will not rehash such details. You know that I am relieved that it went well and incredibly grateful to the two of you and everyone else who helped make it proceed successfully. I will say one thing. Women are so much easier. Thank you, guys. I was actually thanking him after when I was leaving because I left a little early. Like, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I definitely want to run more tournaments, but I also want to fall down and forget pinball exists for a few months. Running tournaments is a satisfying but draining experience, and I have nothing but respect for anyone who takes on such an endeavor. Kathy did play in the tournament, too, and she had a great time. She did pretty good. Yeah, she did pretty good. All the more so if done without the overwhelming support of the and handholding that I was so fortunate to have. Okay, while discussing the flow of rumors a few episodes back, the topic of a certain British wizarding franchise came up. Oh, God, Harry Potter. Oh, God, no. While you were joking that Chamber of Secrets as the lowest rated movie would be the obvious choice for this IP, Bruce mentioned this to be the last movie. This is thoroughly incorrect. It's the last book. When I think of Bruce, thoroughly incorrect is a good term. Let's see. In fact, as Bruce read from whatever article he had up, it was the last movie to say as fully faithful to the books written by she who must not be named as possible. If she has a name, you should say it. I don't know. What is she? What's her name? I forget her name. Exactly. From then on, Hollywood angst took the reins. I've never seen Harry Potter. The actual last book is Deathly Hallows, making the last movie Deathly Hallows Part 2. Because of the course, they had to milk the magical cash cow to its last drop. I haven't bothered with the last few movies, and I particularly won't bother now that the author of this once-beloved series has become the thickest and frothiest of milkshake ducks. but apparently it focuses more on darkness and angst in the book and doesn't even focus on the horcruxes i don't know if that is it's capitalized so maybe that's something to do with harry potter that would have made a sensible septet of progress markers this does lend cretins to the joke this also does raise the question of weighing a popular ip against one that has endangered controversy. Man, these are hard to read. Does the popularity transcend the controversy? Are the profits and exposure worth possibly propagating harm? Exposure is always good. That, like most heavy questions, will be something for every individual and organization to determine for themselves. Anyway, Ron, you had the hot take of not wanting headphones to tournaments. Yep. Your reasoning was that professional sports teams do not allow them, as well as they did not afford proper respect to the audio stylings of these machines, thus affecting the overall experience. Sports, like baseball, which you mentioned, would not make sense with headphones because situational awareness is critical, with balls flying around at speeds of 100 miles per hour in the vicinity of your head. She said balls. That would be fun if a dude's got, like, earphones eyes rocking out as the pitch is thrown at him. Let's see, the need is less so when a sheet of glass keeps the ball from smacking you. There is also the issue of possible cheating, yes. Who needs trash cans to steal signs with headphones? Ah, good. Good Astros reference there. Very good. Which such a potential issue in pinball as well could likely be prevented without banning ear gear?
    121:55
    Let's see. Pinball is more akin to eSports, where headsets may be used for ease of team communication and to hear the game. While it is a solo sport, not a team one, the idea of hearing the game is of clear importance here. The situation then is clearly to develop an elaborate suction cup dongle. Oh, my. that attaches to the bottom sides or backs of machines. This would be designed to capture game sounds like a stethoscope. Would it vibrate you? The audio feed could then be broadcast to headphones via an app like a live pinball ASMR feed. The app would have multiple channels, one for each possible feed, so that multiple users could use this at the same time. It would be great for public locations with background noise so bad you can't hear yourself think, let alone hear the game. thus satisfying the Ron Hallett pinball game audibility factor. I have an acronym. It would also help with those who would like to hear the game, but also would like to cancel out the outside world. I know someone once they had a subwoofer like on the coin door, so you could just press your area right against it, really feel the game.
    123:03
    No comments there? Dead silence. I'm not making that up. Someone did that. They put the subwoofer right in where the coin door was. Yeah, it's right on the coin door so you feel the power of the wind. You feel the something. Okay, well, that's a good question. Here it comes.
    123:19
    The woofer on the bottom, good idea. I think I've heard you talk about this. I like speakers up top. Yeah. I don't know what it does for the head or, you know, for mechs, but sound dropping like that, I mean, think of when you go to a concert. The speakers are up high for a reason. Sound drops. So if you go to a concert and you're sitting up top and you're above the speakers, it sounds really hollow and shitty. So on pinball machines, when the speakers are up high, love it. Some things that people would like to stop hearing from the outside world are loud noises at the bar when they're just trying to play pinball. The exuberant commentary of the booth that is a little too close to the tournament bank for comfort. And the obnoxious song blaring through the loudspeakers drowning out the game.
    124:01
    As in the spirit of the last point, I leave you with a game. This is another bracket game. Let's see. And we've got three of us. Perfect. We'll have a decider if we have a tie.
    124:11
    Okay. Basically, this is about yacht rock. Oh, yeah. We have a bracket of yacht rock. Let's see. Let's start it off. Here we go. Don't rock the boat. The yacht race for the next band pin. We're going to decide what the next pin is going to be. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready. And our first matchup we have Steely Dan versus Toto.
    124:43
    Oh, no, not songs, just bands? Bands. Okay, Steely Dan. I'll say Steely Dan. Oh, fuck, I was going Toto. And based on you know she not wanting J Rawlings for what that author does and some reviews that why I didn do Steely Dan Take a look at the history there Oh I know A little bit of violence here I going total Nope. Steely Dan wins.
    125:08
    Fleetwood Mac versus Hall & Oates. Oh, fuck you. Fleetwood Mac. Hall & Oates. For Yacht Rock style. Hall & Oates. Isn't that O-A-T-E-S? O-A-T-E-S, yes. Yes? Okay, she spelled it wrong. Oh, good. Good. Excellent. I have to bring that up. Don't forget. Disqualified then. Disqualified. Fleetwood Mac is more rock. It's not yacht rock. Shit, they're blues in the 60s. Oh, I agree, but it's not yacht rock. That's the thing. Don't forget, this is the yacht rock thing. Okay, am I picking which is the better yacht rock band or which is the better pin? Yes, that's right, because it's the yacht rock. Well, it's called Don't Rock the Boat, the Yacht Race for the Next Band Pin.
    125:49
    It's Fleetwood Mac. Okay, then I'm still going Hall Notes. Okay, Ron. I'm going to go Hall & Oates. Why not? Yes!
    125:57
    We suck. Hey, everyone's yelling at us right now. You motherfuckers! Man-eater multi-ball. Yes. Yes, exactly. There's so many good things. Whoa, here she comes.
    126:09
    The Eagles, which is actually incorrect. The official name of the band is just Eagles. There isn't all that. No, there isn't all that. It's just Eagles. Eagles versus Chicago. Eagles. Yeah, Eagles are definitely softer. I mean, especially early Chicago stuff. Don't worry, I like Chicago, but it gets a little drippy. Hey, man, the dude abides. No fucking Eagles. I'm picking Chicago. Wow.
    126:34
    But we both picked Eagles, so we win. Yep, we win. You're 0 for 3, Ron. We'll have Jeff pick first here. We got the average white band versus America. They're not Yacht Rock. How are they Yacht Rock? They actually are. Daisy Jane is. Yeah. I'll pick America for sure. America. America! Okay. I guess it doesn't matter what I pick. It doesn't matter what you pick. I'll go for America, too. America, Average White Band, they have Pick Up the Pieces.
    127:04
    What else? What? What else? If you're making a pinball machine, Average White Band, okay, after... There's nothing much.
    127:14
    You don't have a lot with it. Well, at least material people know. Oh, God. Okay, so we got the next... On the other side of the bracket, we have Jimmy Buffett versus Crosby, Stills, and Nash.
    127:27
    Both are not great in my book. What I'd rather hear would be Crosby, Stills, and Nash. Yeah, exactly. Me too. Throw Young in there too. Yeah, if you get Young, it's even better. But yeah, I'll take that too. All right. So it doesn't matter what I pick. Yep. Jimmy Buffett, I'll pick it. Oh, God. Let's see. Super Tramp versus Dan Fogelberg. oh no question super tramp no question super tramp do you know in canada crime of the century and breakfast in america when that came out in 1979 one out of every 10 canadians owned one of those two albums so seven albums they sold up there what the fuck wow they're huge in canada i like i love super tramp what super tramp song is featured in the movie superman in the movie Superman I'll even tell you when, it's when Lois Lane's driving around the desert there in California she's listening to a Super Tramp song I don't know what it is so you'll have to give a little bit yep, correct wow, nice alright, so Super Tramp's moving on now we have I don't really I guess they kind of got yacht rockish more later because Michael McDonald was with them. But the Doobie Brothers versus Billy Joel.
    128:52
    I'm not even that fan of him. Come on, Bruce. Billy Joel. Are you sure? You don't know me, but I'm your brother. It's not all of it. And don't forget, it's a next rock pin. I'd love to see a Billy Joel. He has so much more. Yeah. Geez. Again, if I go yacht rock, it's Doobie Brothers. Oh, yeah, of course. If I'm going for the pin, I'd have to say Billy. Billy, definitely.
    129:18
    I always, always, don't ever stop, love hearing Ron sing on the podcast. But what a fool, Billy! Yes, thank you, Michael McDonald. Well, I've only got a few groups left, and I haven't seen the bracket. There better be another person in the Yacht Rock which has a famous Michael McDonald song. If Christopher Cross is not in there, she's totally failed. Okay, hold on. So we've got Billy Joel moving on there. Then we've got Earth, Wind, and Fire. That's Disco. No, I don't even know. Well, this is easy. Versus Christopher Cross. CC for the win. Okay, there you go. There you go You got your Christopher Cross The next bracket going to be really hard I got to tell you about Christopher Cross I text Ed Robertson because I think Ride Like the Wind is maybe one of the greatest songs ever written And he always texts me back. He goes, ah, the sounds of cocaine.
    130:12
    But Michael McDonald nails that song. He does. Okay. We got Steely Dan versus, was it Fleetwood Mac? No. It was Hall & Oates? Hall & Oates. Okay. So is it Steely Dan versus Holonotes? Holonotes. I'll go Holonotes as well.
    130:32
    I'll go Holonotes, yep. Alright, so we got Eagles versus America. Eagles. Yeah. Okay, alright. I love America, don't get me wrong. Daisy Jane is a great song, a couple of other songs. Eagles got way too many hits, though. Sure. They really do. Way too many hits. for the, yeah. Yeah, they'd be beaten out by a seven or eight song repertoire in America. Don't get me wrong, I love the albums. I'll listen to all the albums, but there's some duds. Do you want Joe Walsh America, do you want Joe Walsh Eagles, or do you want the country James Dean Eagles? No, I want Joe Walsh, definitely. You've got to have Joe Walsh. Life's been good. So that's only two albums, then? You get other stuff in there, too. You know. Okay. All right, we got... That's a fucking mellow game if they make the Eagles. Oh, my God. No. Take it to the limit. One more.
    131:29
    Okay, we got, all right, we got, what was it? Crosby, Seals, and Nash versus Super Tramp. And I am in awe.
    131:43
    This is going to be the hard one. Now, there's a guy that can go. This is the hard one now. Okay, now we got. Billy Joel versus Christopher Cross.
    131:52
    If it's based on what pin do you want, it's Billy Joel. If it's based on what's Yacht Rock, it's Christopher Cross, but I've got to go Billy. Okay, Billy. We'll go Billy. Okay, top four now. Whoa. All right. Boy, oh, boy. So what do we got now? We got Hall & Oates versus Eagles.
    132:14
    Wow. I have to go Hall & Oates. Wow. I love Manny. There's a lot of great songs by Hall & Oates. Oh, here she comes. Watch out, boys. She'll chew you up. L-O-V. What's that song? L-O-V-A-O-T-S-E-T-T-T-T. It's a method of modern love. Yeah.
    132:36
    So if all the votes are cast in Philadelphia, Hall & Oates win, but I think the Eagles. Okay, so we got one-one. Rod, you are the decider. Hall & Oates. Fuck yeah. I'm on my Hall & Oates pin. okay but the other side now all right we got uh super tramp like billy joel uh i'm okay ron you're gonna be put to the test i'm going super tramp oh billy joel or super tramp oh he's from new york of course i mean new york state of course i'm a new york state of mind well oh you didn't You're the picker. Wait, who picked what? One and one. You're the decider. Oh, between. What vote? Billy Joel. Okay. I'll go Billy Joel. So we have in the finals, it's Hall and Oates versus Billy Joel for the yacht race for the next band pin.
    133:34
    Billy Joel. I have to agree. So it's over. It's Billy Joel. Damn it. I wanted to see my Hall and Oates. Nope. Not happening.
    133:44
    Billy Joel's got so many fucking hits. I've got to listen to Piano Man. But you wouldn't put that in a pinball. You'd put it like a, you know... So we have an Italian restaurant in there, because we've got to have scenes from an Italian restaurant. Yes, you do. There better be Allentown for pinball. Allentown, yeah, exactly, for pinball, definitely. That better be where it makes its debut. Pressure would be a great one, especially in a multiball. a lot of great songs i like the innocent man album that's when he was in a really good mood because he was going with christy brinkley so he was like feeling late he was after the nylon curtain which was pretty dark all of a sudden he's in a really good mood in that album uptown boner yeah yeah uptown girl his they were all like that was his homage to um the Four Seasons. Yes, it is. Where he does his best Frankie Valli impersonation. The guy I sung with,
    134:43
    by the way. Yes, you did. I love bringing that up. My duet with Frankie Valli. I think we're done, or do you want to do one more thing?
    134:52
    Let's kill it. Unless you want to have Would You or Would You Not Buy That Because we do have another guest How many do we have Bruce Three Okay I got to go on eBay don I Yes, you do. You've got to go on eBay. Do they have that in Canada? We do, but you know what? A few times I've tried to do this. You can't follow it because it's – Well, give me the number and I'll see if I can – just in the search window, type the number? Yep. 394-531-070-944. Now, for people who don't know what we're doing, we're going on eBay and seeing if it's a deal we would buy or would not buy. And what you do is on your eBay while you're driving, put this number in and check out the auction.
    135:41
    Did you get it? I got it. See? Okay, so it's a Centaur for $3,400. but it's a project. Playfield's a little rough. A little? Yeah, I mean... Oh, God. You need a new playfield. That's the first part of the project. Yeah, the playfield is completely shot, so it's useless. It's rusted.
    136:05
    So you're paying for what, the mechs? Yes, the mechs. Because you need another playfield. Yes. No, if I'm putting that money in, I'll wait until Haggis does it, and I'll buy the Haggis one. Oh, wait a minute. The thingies that the playfield slides on, they're like ripped off the sides. Do you see them? I'm looking right now. Yeah, they are. Look in the cabinet, the rails that the playfield slides along, they're actually ripped off and sitting at the bottom of the cabinet. Oh, my gosh. The glue, like whatever, they came off. It's a project. Yeah, I'm already ute. Ute. You're ute. I'm out, too. I'm ute. $3,400 is way too much. No.
    136:46
    Okay, two more. And also the 98.1 positive feedback when you only have 144. Yeah, pretty bad. Yeah, that's not good. This one, 145-159-013-801.
    137:05
    It's a Williams Spanish Eyes pinball machine for $750. Price is right. Wow. It's actually really nice. This is a player's machine. It's not perfect. It has been repainted at some point. Has 95% converted to LED. Uh-oh.
    137:24
    Let's see. Backlashes have been replaced with reproduction, probably from... Who makes those? Is that Shea? That's Shea. Yeah. I have the original, but it was snapped in half when I purchased the pen. For $750? That's a good price. I would definitely do this game.
    137:40
    It's not that worn, either. No? Got some cracks in the play field, which they all do, you know. So there's a couple of touch-ups by the slingshots.
    137:51
    This is definitely a great game, great price. Oh, my God, we'd actually buy something? Yes. I don't believe it. I thought you liked a little drop in the old. Yeah. One more. Okay. That's in Kansas, by the way, folks. That's in Kansas. 1-1-5-4-6-3-5-9-3-3-1-1.
    138:18
    Oh. A Stern Dragon Fist Pinball Machine Backglass Reproduction Sample Test Print. Rare. Oh, it says rare. It's rare. It's got to be worth it. It's black and white. Yes, it's because they were doing the coloring tests and how the layout would be for the block letters. New old stock pinball machine. Yes, it's original. This is a black key line test print that was used for pre-production proofing of the artwork before it was produced for the game run. The reject code paperwork was taped to the front and will be included. Is there blood on that? Like, if you look in the right hand corner. That's where the color, that's why I think they screwed up. I think it's where the coloring is. Either that or they were eating some Cheetos or something. this big glob of red and yeah red and yellow or orange yeah it does look pretty cool it is pretty cool i like it in black and white yeah bruce lee kicks ass now i noticed one other thing look at above the credit the ball in play there's another little window oh like a tiny window yeah what the hell was that gonna be for i couldn't tell you Hmm. Maybe that's the dick view. Because it's right over. You can see it's blocking his crotch. Yeah. Crotch cam. Yes.
    139:36
    Did they have a joke when they drew that? I mean, like, just the way that guy's head is like right there. No, I think people are just sick minds like us. It's just Bruce Lee beating up a guy. Yeah. That's fine. But he's shoving his head in his crotch. And he's going, ah! His head is up way higher than his crotch, just to say. Well, we don't have to. He's going down.
    140:01
    No, he's going, no. He's starting at the tip. Come on, Ron. Oh, man. Bruce Lee was quite impressive then.
    140:12
    Dragon tip. Yeah, dragon tip. Here's my dragon, yes. So for $748.77, would you buy this? It's not cheap, but you know. It's pretty neat. Yeah, I would consider it. I would consider it too. Yeah, I'm on the fence. Not sure.
    140:33
    The fist. Everyone loves the fist. I like my force blowjobs in color. I don't know if that's true.
    140:40
    I don't know if I'm a black and white guy. On that note. I had a couple more, but we wanted to keep it short. Keep it short. You know, two and a half hours is really short. Yes, keeping it short, baby. But, you know, we skipped a week of our biweekly, so we've got to give double the product. Yes. That's the way it works. Make the people want more. They got it. Jeffrey, plug away.
    141:06
    I hope you can join us at the Beast. Bruce is going to be there, and so is Ron. It's at Pocketeer Billiards. It's in Buffalo, New York. What's the date? We never said the date. August 3rd is the warm-up tournament, but the big event is the 4th, 5th, and 6th. We've got lots of machines to play. You're going to have a good time. This is going to be a massive event. and with 100 people already signed up we got room for more So go to pinballprofile slash the beast And the last thing I want to say is love you guys I love you It not even I mean I love the show for years It's given me so much enjoyment. But just, again, what you did for the Lyman Sheets donation to hopefully help prevent some or certainly give awareness to the American Suicide Association. and I'm sorry I don't have the proper name, but just the thought put into that and really proud of you guys. Got lucky. I just feel like we're very lucky having people who care. You did the right thing. I'm so proud of you. Yeah.
    142:10
    Don't you have some podcasts yet? Yeah. You can check out Pinball Profile. So by the time you've listened to this episode of Slam Tilt, you could have heard 20 Pinball Profile. Probably, yeah. And then also final round with Marty Robbins. Yes. We love Marty, too.
    142:29
    I don't know when I'm going to see him next. Maybe next. It'll be next year. Yeah. Right. Bloody well right. That's it. You're bloody well right. You got about a right to say. Okay. Yes, this has been episode 209 of the Slamtail Podcast.
    142:48
    Let's see. Plugs. I'm on another podcast, Silver Ball Chronicles. come on Bruce there's the part where you say it's the second time I mentioned it okay silence good dead silence that's good and our email if you want to send us correspondence is slamtiltpodcast at gmail Check us out at our website www Our new logo is up at the top.
    143:14
    Tell us what you think. All our links are on the upper right-hand corner, including our Twitch link. And I'm probably going to be streaming very soon. My dad's coming over, and I'm going to be testing out some of the new streaming equipment. Nice. Yes. Thanks to everybody on the Clusterbuck. But follow up bonus, Isaac, everyone else, it's gone really long here, ladies and gentlemen. It has. Hopefully you've survived because we have. Thanks, everybody. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Andrew Jarveen. We'll be right back. Meteor! Level Zero! Clusterfuck! Joystickai! Timballs! Bruce Sissoms! Tournament Talk! Carholer! Cheetah! Xanadu Cash Grab ELO Ball Break What You Buy It Game You Love Game You Hate Tournament Talk Yeah Oh my Oh, my.
    145:01
    Oh, my. Fuck. Oh, I was hearing Bruce's, whatever Bruce is listening to. I was trying to do something. Steph sent something, and it was all voice. I'm trying to stop it. Like, stop, stop, stop. and you had to verify who you fucking were, piece of shit. God, I've got to stop clicking stuff.
    145:41
    Technology, ladies and gentlemen. Technology. Yeah, we'll have to see what goes on with that. You want to share a hotel room together? Oh.
    145:54
    You snore now. No, I know. How about you do this? You get some headphones. Oh, God. He said set against it Those canceling headphones work perfect Yeah okay That's funny