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Episode 87: Dad jokes! Pinball Talk! And Much More!!!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jan 14, 2021
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TL;DR

Casual pinball podcast mixing personal collection updates, JJP Guns N' Roses shipping news, and criticism of Deep Root's missed deadlines.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 87 is an informal, tangential discussion mixing dad jokes, personal anecdotes about pinball collection management, and scattered industry news. Key updates include Jersey Jack Pinball's Guns N' Roses shipping with standard edition order halt, discussion of Pro/Premium trim level strategy across manufacturers, and critical commentary on Deep Root Pinball's recurring production delays. The hosts cover collection changes (Drew selling Avengers, acquiring Stingray; Scott considering Laser War disposition), sponsored content, and debate optimal production models for American Pinball.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack Pinball Guns N' Roses are shipping and distributors received a letter stating they are not taking new orders for standard editions at this time

    high confidence · Scott Ian citing information from Zach Minney's show; Kaneda's Pinball Podcast posted first unboxing

  • More Limited Edition Guns N' Roses have sold than Standard Edition, suggesting people prefer the LE model

    medium confidence · Scott Ian speculation based on Zach Minney's report and personal interactions with players

  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium Edition is relatively rare; Pro Edition versions have sold in much higher volume

    medium confidence · Drew, direct personal knowledge; mentions 'found out today'

  • Deep Root Pinball has consistently missed production deadlines, including Barnyard shipping timelines

    high confidence · Drew referencing community podcast discussion; pattern of missed dates acknowledged by both hosts

  • Sam Stern uses Pro-Premium trim level model successfully; Jersey Jack Pinball also uses this model effectively

    high confidence · Scott Ian citing Kaneda's Pinball Podcast analysis as basis for industry observation

  • American Pinball plans to release approximately two games per year

    medium confidence · Scott Ian, citing recent American Pinball announcement

  • Oktoberfest (American Pinball game) is priced at $7,500 and is structured as Premium Edition feature level

    high confidence · Drew and Scott Ian discussing the game's positioning and pricing directly

Notable Quotes

  • “I don't think many people were excited about the standard edition, but they were pumped about the Limited Edition. Because they didn't say they weren't going to make it ever again. Right. They just said, right now, we're not taking any more orders.”

    Scott Ian @ ~mid-show during news segment — Provides nuanced take on JJP's standard edition halt — framing as temporary production pause rather than permanent discontinuation

  • “The standard edition looks like a Sam Stern collector's edition... just it's pretty bad. Oh, I get it, man. It's stripped down.”

    Drew @ ~during Guns N' Roses discussion — Illustrates collector perception that standard trims lack Premium visual appeal; suggests market positioning risk

  • “Well, I just, I have this thing now where a big chicken comes in and kills everybody. Vera likes that one.”

    Scott Ian @ ~early in episode during personal anecdotes — Humorous insight into how parenting affects pinball time; highlights collision between home collection and family responsibilities

  • “Why have another deadline? You've missed every deadline you've had. Why is this one going to be different?”

    Unknown podcast guest (referenced by Drew) @ ~during Deep Root Pinball discussion — Crystallizes community frustration with Deep Root's pattern of missed production dates

  • “The one thing about the Spooky Pinball model is this... It's saying that every game is special. Every game is collectible. Every game we make is going to be badass.”

    Scott Ian @ ~during trim level strategy discussion — Articulates Spooky's brand positioning based on scarcity and cachet vs. unlimited production models

Entities

Zach MinneypersonScott IanpersonDrewpersonBill WebbpersonChristopher FranchipersonKanedapersonDeep Root Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Jersey Jack Pinball Guns N' Roses confirmed shipping; first unboxing posted by Kaneda's Pinball Podcast

    high · Scott Ian: 'Jersey Jack Pinball Guns N' Roses are shipping. Ooh, that's exciting. I saw them on the line, and I think Kaneda's Pinball Podcast posted today the first unboxing.'

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    market_signal: JJP halted new standard edition Guns N' Roses orders; distributors received official letter. Likely due to production capacity/LE focus rather than poor demand

    high · Scott Ian: 'Zach Minney mentioned on his show that the distributors got a letter. They are not going to be taking any more orders for standard editions at this current time.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Limited Edition Guns N' Roses commanding significantly more collector enthusiasm than Standard Edition; players actively prefer LE features

    medium · Scott Ian: 'I think it has more to do with their production schedule... I don't think many people were excited about the standard edition, but they were pumped about the Limited Edition.' Drew corroborates via player feedback.

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    sentiment_shift: Market perception that Standard Edition Guns N' Roses lacks visual appeal vs LE; perceived as 'stripped down' relative to Premium offerings

    medium · Drew: 'The standard edition looks like a Sam Stern collector's edition... just it's pretty bad. Oh, I get it, man. It's stripped down.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Industry discussion of optimal manufacturing strategy: Spooky's limited production (500-1K per game) vs Sam Stern/JJP Pro-Premium model vs American Pinball's emerging approach

Transcript

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0:00
Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is sponsored by Flippin' Out Pinball. Call Zach and Nicole to get the latest Stern, Jersey Jacks, CBC American Pinball, Valley Dynamo, and Escalera. Call 812-457-9711. Also, pinballprices.com. Get up to date on the latest prices for pinball. Don't overpay for pinball. So go to pinballprices.com. Next up, we have Zen Pinball. You know them. You love them. They enjoy the most cost-effective pinball experience on a virtual platform and on Steam. So you can do pretty much some of the best classics of Williams Pinball on Zen, plus they've got a few extra tables there for you to play with. Next we have TWIP, This Week in Pinball. Get all your news at This Week in Pinball. Don't forget to vote on the TWIPies. I think that's closing pretty soon at the end of the month. So next we have Penn Stadium. Get the latest, greatest way to illuminate any pinball machine. Enter Poor Man at checkout to receive a 10% off your order. And last but not least, Pinshades, the revolutionary pinball glasses that help reduce glare and make it easier to track the ball and to get the ladies. Enter Poor Man's with an S to receive free shipping. Thank you. Look at these two drunk guys Betcha they're really high Take a drink, a kiss in the sink On poor man's pinball Here comes a sloppy show All in the tribe, just pay the bride On poor man's pinball For me another round Pay your bips, see some tits On four-man spin balls Four-man spin balls Thanks, Glenn, for that beautiful intro. I don't think, Glenn, that was Puppet Pals. I'm sorry, Puppet Pals.
2:09
Glenn's not that talented, he told us. As always, I didn't hear that before we got on air here, and that was everything that I hoped it could be and more. I saw it in the e-mail earlier, and I was really excited about it, and it did not disappoint. Hey, Jack Rabbit, welcome back. Thanks for subscribing two months in a row. Thank you, private pals, for gracing us with your presence today. And, yeah, we're going to be using that again because that was awesome. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 87, the sloppiest show on the internet. My name's Ian. I'm Drew. And we are here to entertain you today, talk about some kind of pinball. There wasn't much going on this week, so we're going to really fuck around this week, aren't we? Yeah, yeah. Actually, we've been moving more towards structure, and yeah, this week we're kind of going the opposite direction. You really need structure when there's no news, because then you've got to come up with shit to do. So we have all sorts of stuff. No, we have some fun stuff today, but, you know, like I said, it'll be good.
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high · Scott Ian framing three strategic options for American Pinball; Kaneda's advocacy that 'every company should adopt the Pro-Premium Edition model because it works'

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball targeting ~2 game releases per year; considering how to structure trim levels and production volumes

    medium · Scott Ian: 'American Pinball has just recently said that they want two games in there or similar... one year'

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: JJP's halt on standard edition orders suggests capacity prioritization toward LE production, not demand failure for standard

    medium · Scott Ian: 'I think it has more to do with their production schedule. They obviously are selling a lot more Limited Edition than standard editions.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Deep Root Pinball's pattern of missed production deadlines (Barnyard repeatedly delayed) eroding community confidence in future commitments

    high · Drew: 'Why have another deadline? You've missed every deadline you've had. Why is this one going to be different?' (quoting podcast criticism)

  • ?

    product_concern: Market confusion and frustration with inconsistent trim level naming/features across manufacturers; players uncertain of value proposition

    medium · Extended discussion of Standard vs Pro vs Premium positioning for Guns N' Roses; Drew noting TMNT Premium/Pro confusion

  • ?

    collector_signal: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium Edition identified as relatively rare; Pro Edition vastly outproduced it

    medium · Drew: 'I found out today that that is like the rare version... not a lot of Premium Edition Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have been being sold. The Pro Edition have been flying out the door.'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Christopher Franchi (Spooky Pinball artist) collaborating with community on custom translights/poster art; maintaining active inventory of artwork for sale

    high · Scott Ian describing custom Creatures from Black Lagoon poster received from Franchi; recommendation to check his Facebook/Metaluna website for ongoing inventory

  • ?

    content_signal: Kaneda's Pinball Podcast gaining early access to unbox JJP Guns N' Roses; community viewing unboxing as premium content

    high · Scott Ian: 'I think Kaneda's Pinball Podcast posted today the first unboxing. Pinball porn. His words, not mine, but it is pinball porn.'

    • 3:08
    How you doing, bud? I'm doing great, man. Yeah? Yeah. It's been another magical week. Yeah? That's good. Not really. There hasn't been much going on in my life either. Magical week meaning work still sucks? Yep. It's kind of like saying I'm living the dream. It's been magical. Yeah. No, no, no. Thank you, Dr. John, for subscribing. We appreciate you, brother. No, man. And this week has been, it went by fast. It was one of those weird weeks, man. But it's starting to get real cold. It starts to get real cold. Did you hear the polar vortex might be coming in? Yeah, I was always pissed off. Remember that? It was like three years ago. And it is the worst bitter cold you can ever possibly imagine. So, folks. It's like four days. Look it up what a polar vortex is. It's pretty deadly. In Wisconsin winters, everyone gets super depressed. That's why we drink. It doesn't help matters, but that's why we do it.
    4:05
    Oh, that's why we drink. Okay, yes. That is why I drink. That's the reason. But you had COVID in this, man? Yeah. Oh, it's going to kill me. Yes. I hate that. What was that joke? Like the 2021 coming in, hold my beer to 2020.
    4:23
    Nothing can get worse than 2020. No, it can, and it probably will. Yes, yes. I know it, brother. I know it. Um, damn. No, I've been good, though. I've been good. This weekend I did a lot with my daughter. Just played. She's in daddy mode. She loves daddy. So it's like, anytime we, you know, my wife wants to come in and hang out.
    4:46
    Well, that's because Ian's discipline is, like, non-existent. Yeah. Just do what you want. Just don't drink gasoline. Don't stick your finger in a socket. That's about it. There's no rules when you're hanging with dad. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Anyway, that's why Drew hangs out with me.
    5:03
    So, I don't know, man. We were playing, and she's just in this dad mode lately, and, you know, when my wife comes in and she wants to play, she's like, no, Mommy, no.
    5:14
    Go sit on the couch, Mommy. Go sit on the couch. And I'm sitting there. I'm like, well, fuck, can I sit on the couch? She goes, no, Barbies. I'm like, damn. I can only play so many Barbies. Well, yeah, that's my life now, you know. I'm naming Barbies. She's got a lot of toy horses. I'm naming horses. So the Barbie pinball machine might have a place in your house. I just don't understand the point of Barbies. I still don't get it. Like, who do they fight?
    5:39
    Who do they go to combat with? G.I. Joe had Cobra. I mean, you know, He-Man had Killator. Barbie has Ken. And they fight all the time. You see Ken? Ken's laying down all day. He's not. You'll give in 100% of the time. Ken's on the beach and on his very expensive 80 cell phone. Yes. From my recollection. Yes. Barbie. Hasn't changed since then. No. I don't know what you do with Barbies. I just, I don't know. So I have a hard time coming up with any kind of scenario other than, oh, I like your shoes. I like your dress. Oh, your hair's pretty.
    6:15
    That's boring. I fucking, I know. I'm well aware. Why don't you teach Barbie how to play some fucking pinball? Well, I just, I have this thing now where a big chicken comes in and kills everybody.
    6:25
    Vera likes that one. Okay. Hey, if it makes her happy. Makes me happy. Let that chicken kill him. She hasn't cried yet.
    6:34
    Touche. That's my life now. She's going to go to school or daycare and tell someone, like, oh, the chicken's killing everyone. They're going to be like, what? I know nobody gives a shit, but that's what my life is. Just so you know, why I'm not playing as much pinball is because I'm stuck playing Barbies. You're a dad, dude. I'm a dad. I'm a dad stuff, man. Dad stuff. What? You got to do it like me. Lock yourself in a room and ignore the outside world. And then my wife just keeps you out. Oh, my wife would burn that world down. This is a great wife story along those lines. So I tell you guys, I've been playing a lot of pinball at night. So, like, my wife goes to bed, I play a bunch of pinball, and it's great. So, you know, the house is quiet, I'm playing pinball, I'm happy, she's sleeping, she's happy, the dogs are sleeping, they're happy. Well, last night I went for a round two playing more pinball, right, because it was still kind of early. So I'm like, eh, I'm going to get a few more games in. Ooh, that was a mistake. Because, like, the first round, it was like 9, 9.30. The wife's out cold. It's fine. Second round's like 10, 10.30.
    7:37
    All of a sudden, I hear, Andrew Robert. And I'm like, whoa, this is the bad one, right? So, like, the house was completely silent before this. And I had a little THC, so I was a little, like, on edge, right? I'm in the middle of this great game, and I just turned around.
    7:56
    And I was like, yes. And she goes, do you want to die tonight? And she just went back upstairs. Oh, man.
    8:09
    So, yeah, that was my loving wife. Yes. It was pretty good. That's good, man. So, needless to say, that game ended very quickly. Which game? Spider-Man. Gotcha. I did not get the grand champion last night. Have you gotten grand champion? Yes. Almost half a billion. Nice. So I don't know if that's good or not. I haven't really looked at the leaderboards. But, yeah, I'm getting there. Like I said, I'm almost at wizard mode. Cool. Yeah, enjoying it. All right, man. Well, cool. Should we open up the bar? Let's do it.
    8:43
    Come in. Grab a seat. The bar is open. All right, bar is open, Drew. Bar is open. What do we have on tap today?
    8:54
    How about I'm more interested in what you're drinking today, buddy. because I'm drinking the same thing, I think. Do you want to do your commercial?
    9:03
    What commercial? I'm just joking. Gentlemen Jack, Jack Daniels. Taste it now. Taste the rainbow. Delicious. Jack Daniels. Oh, that was pretty good. Thank you.
    9:16
    Gentlemen Jack. The more genteel Jack. Do you think this is like Duff, Duff Light, and Duff Red, where it all comes from the same giant bottle. All the things that go into the bottle. It goes down into one tube, and it slips into six other ones, and they're like Gentleman Jack, Regular Jack, Honey Jack, Apple Jack. No, but that's funny. I love it. Thank you, Simpsons. But, no, this is, you know, I don't drink a lot of, like, Regular Jack anymore. That was kind of back in the old days.
    9:49
    But when I am drinking Jack, it's Gentleman Jack. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I prefer it. It's a little sweeter. smoother and uh i don't know just tastes good it really warms the gut my chest is toasty it's good for the polar vortex yes yes i saw some meme today it was uh you know it had like a diagram it was like you know vodka plus ice equals you know bad for your liver and then it was uh gin plus ice equals bad for your brain and then tequila plus ice equals bad for your kidneys or something. And then it said, you know, whiskey plus ice is bad for your heart. And then it said, I think the problem is the ice.
    10:39
    Very true. Well played. So, all right, Drew, why don't we see what's on tap? Let's see what's on tap today. So today we're going to have just a little bit of poor man's personal news, a little bit of goings on and drew's personal pinball haven and um ian ian mentioned to me last week he might be thinking about shaking up his collection hope he talks about that um no i don't know and then uh tony what's up man cos how you doing tim lee's here tim lee you're late i think some i think i saw some cavalier 88 action tim you missed some of the best banter pinball that you've ever seen tiki pinball tiki pinball pinball yeah we do love that pinball doc how you doing mr sir uh jesse jay who in the show is nightmare fuel oh that show is nightmare not talking about us all right well welcome everyone i'm glad you're all joining us so drew what what do we uh sorry i reached that okay uh what are we doing today yeah so uh it's dad joke day dad joke day it's been uh it's been like a month or dad joke day come on guys get fucking excited it's dad joke day well we'll sneak in uh just a little bit of news just just a little bit we're gonna dip the tip in news or tip no you're right dip we're it's a penis joke kids we're gonna touch tips and then dip it in the news not gonna do that oh okay not the news Say nothing. Touching tips. I will not touch tips with you today. Just one?
    12:16
    Just the tips? Boop. And we say boop, too, because it makes it less weird somehow. It's way worse. Yeah. Okay. Here's the poor man's poll. If you're going to touch tips with another guy, is it more or less weird if you say boop?
    12:36
    Way worse. All right. Okay. Moving on. we're going to have a wonderful happy hour, which I think we're already part of. I think it's already going. Happy hour is going all day today. How about that? This whole podcast is going to be happy hour. This news this week, we might as well. Yeah. So it's going to kind of be a hodgepodge. I know you guys are used to our polished show, but it's going to be a hodgepodge today, happy hour, dad joke. Do we have a timer? We have a new tribe member. We do have. I was just getting to that. That was the big exciting news. New Tribe member today. We're very excited. We're very, very excited about this one because this person has a nickname. I like nicknames. Yes. And because of our new Tribe member, he inspired us to do a new segment today. So we're going to try a new segment. Do I have a timer for? Dad jokes. Yep.
    13:30
    Just started it. That timer is going to go off very randomly throughout the show. Do whatever you want to tell us. Dude!
    13:39
    Polish. It's what we're known for. The poor man's pinball polish. That's it. All right, what do we got? What are we doing first? Let's just jump into our poor man's pinball personal news. Oh, personal news. Yeah, whatever. Okay, sure. What do we got? So I moved out of Avengers finally. I met up with the nicest guy in pinball, Bill Webb. And I met him halfway. And we talked in a Chuck E. Cheese parking lot for about 30 minutes. and it was delightful. I didn't think Bill was allowed in your Chuck E. Cheese's. No, that was just a rumor. 500 feet? Yeah. I love you, Bill. We were getting a lot of weird stares. It is weird. Two-grown Harry, Ben. Chuck E. Cheese's parking lot. Not a good look. With games, trying to entice children. Games in your back of your truck. We got pinball in the back of our truck. Have you ever seen pinball? this show has just taken a dark turn there's no not like pizza as it is so anyways i packed up the avengers in my prius i wonder if that's what happened to josh mudd josh you're gonna have to tell us your uh jail story something yeah what happened to you when you were a kid did you go in the back of a van at a chuck e cheese that's why you love it so much the rails sorry um rein it in rein it in try to refocus here kids okay um so yeah i uh i drove down uh i had the i told ian i wanted someone to take a picture because in order to get this thing in my prius now picture this i'm a bigger guy the prius is normally perfect it's a it's a regular hatchback prius right and my seat is all the way up front so here's me here's my steering wheel I had to drive 45 minutes like this.
    15:30
    When I got there, I fell out like a clown car. It was awesome. So anyways, yep. So had some laughs with Bill Webb and dropped off Avengers. And tomorrow, a game's coming home.
    15:46
    Very nice. Do you know what game that is? I'm bringing one home tomorrow. Yes, I do. It is Stingray. Stern Classic I don't know about a classic so much it's an old Stern game but it's fun it's relatively inexpensive so I'm going to have some fun with it I'm going to do some LEDs and just clean it up but it should be a fun game for a little while that's just kind of satisfying my new pen itch until I figure out what I really want to put in the lineup so like we talked about last week I want to shift some real stuff around have you been looking a lot? no No. Because I'm not anxious to get those games out because I'm still playing them. But, you know, I'm always kind of like searching. And now I'm more, you know, rational. So I'm like, I'll buy these cheap games sometimes, which is fine, playing them for a while. But I really want to zero in on what I really want. Yeah, cool, man. You know, like when I got Spider-Man, I wanted it for a while. I got it. It was cool. Yeah, no doubt. Now I want something else. Spider-Man's the name. Okay. Good. What about you, man? What's up with me? Well, let me start with this. Our buddy, our friend of the show, Chris Ranchi, tribe member, number, whatever, he was selling those Creatures from the Black Lagoon translights, or he was going to, and then he decided not to, so he's doing big poster sheets. So I got one of those. So it actually came in the mail last week. I forgot to talk about it, but it is fucking awesome. You want to see it? Yes, we want to see it. And while we're doing that, I'll just, oh, Rachel, how's it going?
    17:24
    Jeremy Schmitz, how are you doing, buddy? We've got several tribe members in chat tonight. Chat, chat, chat.
    17:31
    Yep. So this thing is freaking awesome. Pretty dope. Pretty dope shit. So, Mr. Franchi, thank you so much for that. That was so cool. Yeah, so Ian's walls look like the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s threw up on him, and it's awesome.
    17:58
    Yep, but he's going to have to take some stuff down, sadly, to get that. Oh, I don't know where it's going yet. We'll find out. You think your wife will let you put it in the bedroom? Yeah. She likes it. She wants to frame it. Right above the bed?
    18:09
    Right above. Mm-hmm. Yes. She can pretend she's making love to the creature? She is making love to the creature. That was the joke, my friend. That was the joke.
    18:20
    So, Chris Franchi, thank you very much. I love it. I did pay for it, if you guys are wondering. And if you guys – Franchi's not giving us – he loves us, but he's not giving us that. And if you guys want one or any of his artwork, he's got all sorts of artwork. I don't know if he has more of those. I don't know. But check out his website. What is it? Menudo5? Metaluna. I always think it's like – Menudo? Menudo. Metal Luna 5. Every time I read it, I think it says that, but it is. Yeah, it's all one word, I believe. Like it on Facebook, because he's always got some stuff for sale. It's cool. Yeah, you know what I saw most recently he's doing is, I think it was a similar poster to that. Maybe it was a little smaller, but it was like the Batman villains. And me, once again, being a comic book guy, not a DC guy, I almost jumped on it. So it just looks so cool. Oh, yeah, his stuff is great. Like everything he does, you know, he does Wonder Woman, lots of Batman stuff, lots of 60s Batman stuff, and just cool stuff. Yeah, well, we all know Fran, she's super talented. So, pain in the ass, but he's talented. So, we have, you know, I was talking with Drew, and I love Oktoberfest, don't get me wrong, I want to keep it. But I'm also starting to get the itch for something a little bit faster and less flowy. My pants are getting tight just thinking about this. I know. I think I really need to button up Laser War, send it off, and I don't know if I want to sell Oktoberfest yet.
    19:49
    Let's try to sell Laser War first. Yeah, let's try to get that out of here. And then you can decide. I'll really think about it. Because, I mean, Laser War is worth more than Oktoberfest, I think. Well, what we've done to it, it's definitely paid more for the Laser War than I did for Oktoberfest. I'm looking at it, and I want to shoot it now, so I don't know. It's hard. I'm up in the air. It's 50-50 at this point. I really like it, though. I don't want to get rid of it. I might just have to bite the bullet and just keep it. Buy another one. Just fucking go out and buy something nice. And tell the wife you're babysitting it. I don't know. Yeah, maybe.
    20:26
    Yeah, this guy, Tim Lee. Yeah, he's just giving me a bunch of games to babysit. He's dropping them off. Dropping them off. Look at my credit card.
    20:35
    Yeah, I don't... It's hard to say. because I don't love Oktoberfest as much as you do. I like it. I enjoy it.
    20:45
    Yeah, I like your first plan. Tim Lee, Field Trip, you guys bring Oktoberfest to me. All right, thanks, Tim. I like the first plan because there's not going to be any shows for a while again. Once again, maybe we just got to get rid of Laser War. We can always do another project. Absolutely. We learned a lot about that one, and now we can go to project number two, even better. Which will be an even cheesier game that everyone wants. We'll put even more money into it. So here's the thing. The games will keep getting cheaper, and the amount we put into them will keep being more. So it'll be like Raven, and we're going to put four grand into a Raven and just make it sparkle. Sparkle. Anyway. It's going to be great. So, yeah, that's kind of my personal news.
    21:27
    Nobody cares. Nobody gives a shit. But we do, Ian. We do. Oh, thank you. Okay. That's all the personal news I have. All right, cool. What about real news? Real news? Jersey Jack C's are shipping. Ooh, that's exciting. I saw them on the line, and I think Kaneda posted today the first unboxing.
    21:48
    Pinball porn. His word's not mine, but it is pinball porn. Zach mentioned on his show that the distributors got a letter. They are not going to be taking any more orders for standard editions at this current time.
    22:04
    Going bottom, huh? Well, I don't know if that's the case. I think it has more to do with their production schedule. They obviously are selling a lot more LEs than SEs.
    22:15
    But what do you think? Do you think that just nobody bought it? I don't think many people were excited about the standard edition, but they were pumped about the LE.
    22:24
    Because they didn't say they weren't going to make it ever again. Right. They just said, right now, we're not taking any more orders. They have made a couple hundred. Maybe they have a certain amount already slotted, and they're like, all right, we've got to pull back. Maybe they're selling way too well. I don't know. I just feel like everybody I've talked about that game has not been as excited about the standard edition. They've all through. One even went as far as laughing at me and said, no, idiot. LE all the way. Shit. Okay. All right. They're making this so hard for people because you're right. That standard edition. I mean, yeah, it's Guns N' Roses. Yeah, it's cool. But compared to the LE, it kind of sucks. I mean, you know, just from a, you know, if you're going to have this thing in your home, you got less lights, you got less stuff. That standard edition looks like a Stern collector's edition. True. That is true. Yeah. But just compared to the LE, it's pretty bad. Oh, I get it, man. It's stripped down. So, yeah, I don't know. All right. Tim Lee still had the concert feel. I played them both. Okay. All right. Well, yeah. I mean, the music's the same. The sound system, I believe, and the LE and the standards probably. Tiki Pinball. I played a standard. It was cool, but compared to the other, da, da, da.
    23:42
    That's what I think it is. I mean, I'm not trying to knock the standard at all. The standard was fun. Still had a light show. Still had theme integration. Yeah. Hey, I get it, man. I'm not dissing either one. I'm just telling you what you guys have been, you know, what my interactions were. And we have been on the record saying we have not seen this game. We have not flipped it yet. I think it's going to be killer regardless. My experience with Jersey Jack's trim levels has been Wonka because I've played quite a bit of the standard and quite a bit of the LE. Yes. And in that game, yes, I know the Wonka Vader lock is very cool. Very cool. But short of that, the rest of the game is the same. And this comes from a guy who has a Turtles Premium. Mm-hmm. which I found out today that that is like the rare version. Not rare, like it's expensive, but not a lot of premium turtles have been being sold. The pros have been flying out the door like you can't believe. And I know why, because the pro is almost the exact same game. You know, you're just missing the van lock. I mean, like I said, I wish I would have went pro on that and saved the money. Maybe I should get a pro.
    24:52
    I think you should. Zach, I'm going to call you up alright, the pros the way to go alright, cool man alright, Cavalier, Ellie all the way yeah, you're talking about Jersey Jack, I believe it yeah, Jones and Roses so that's the news that I know of do you think, the other thing that was brought up this week as long as we're talking about Ellie and these different trim levels do you think that was a ding Drew, that was a ding get your dad joke out go first? I got a lot of good ones for today. Can we edit this out? Nope. You got it or do you want me to go? Okay. Here we go. Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke. Mike Tyson is a religious guy. He punches people in the face. And if you don't laugh at that, you're dead I didn't like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I take a Stranger Things over TMNT. Ooh. Pinball Mafia. Hmm. All right. Pinball Mafia. All right. Good job. And we got 100 bitties from Tony Scoots. Bad jokes. Thank you, Scooter. Last one. 100 bits. Thank you, Tiki. All right. Drew.
    26:16
    Yeah. So, you know, Kaneda mentioned that he thinks every company should adopt the pro-premium LE model because it works. Yes. Because Jersey Jack does it successfully. Yes. Stern obviously does it mega successfully. Yes. Do you think American Pinball should go that route as well?
    26:38
    I guess here are his options that he proposed, and I can see why both of them would work. the spooky model where you make it limited and people want it, right? And they say, yep, we're only going to make 500 of these, and here it is. Maybe there's two different editions, but here it is. And once it's done, it's done.
    26:58
    That's one way of going about it if you're not going to produce as many, right? Then you can probably get more money for it. Or you just go with a game like Oktoberfest or whatever you have, Pro Premium LE. I would actually probably prefer a third option right so the third option I know American Pinball has just recently said that they want um two games in one year so yeah I would say the spooky version of that right so spooky 500 games 500 games each you know or a thousand games each but one season Okay so two games a year Or you sell it until the next game comes out You know it limited until that next game But isn that kind of what they been doing I mean, they haven't been getting games out that fast. I don't think what they're doing is wrong. No one is upset with their trim level. That's what's keeping them afloat is their trims.
    27:51
    Well, I think the point was that you build a game. So you build a game like Oktoberfest, okay? Yeah. And you put a lot into it. Yeah. And you charge $7,000 for it. Or what was it, $7,500? $7,500. Okay. So you basically have it at a premium price level, and it is a premium game with premium features. But that means you're missing out. And it's unlimited, right? Because they would have sold as many as people would have placed orders for, right? No, I get what you're saying. Okay. I know what the trim levels mean. Yeah. So.
    28:25
    I like the spooky model. Sure. No, and that model works great because it's, you know. The one thing about the spooky model is this, to me anyway. It's saying that every game is special. Every game is collectible. Every game we make is going to be pretty badass. Sure. You know. So you think, but Oktoberfest, the American Pinball should do something like that. Yeah. And just say, we're just going to cap it at whatever number. Maybe it is 500. Maybe it's 1,000. Yeah, that's what I would say. What do you guys say in chat? Should they go more stern model or should they stick with the spooky kind of thing? So let us know. All right, so what else we got?
    29:03
    Well, that's kind of it for news. That was it for the week? Oh, man. I mean, I know we talked about Dennis Norman last week. Did Robert Mueller do anything crazy this week like usual? Oh, man. Robert, e-mails, fourmanspinball at gmail.com. Tell us some crazy shit. There were multiple jokes this week about the Wizard of Oz and Robert Mueller hiding behind the curtain pulling all the levers. And I was like, yeah, that sounds like it. You know, like he's orchestrating something, but nobody knows what. Nobody. Not even his employees? Is that what you think? Nobody.
    29:41
    I, once again, this is not a pun, but it's going to sound like one. I am rooting for Deep Root, okay? But the other thing that was mentioned, which I was like, I'm in my car like clapping. I'm like, yeah, way to go, because they're like, why have another deadline? You've missed every deadline you've had. Why is this one going to be different? And I can't give credit to whoever said it because I forgot, so I'm sorry. But I was listening to this podcast, and I was just like, oh, my God, that is so spot on. That's very true. Like, you just keep saying, like, oh, well, we're going to be shipping by January. Well, here it is January, right?
    30:20
    Do they even have a line set up? You know, and they can't, they can no longer lean on COVID and say, like, well, we're waiting on parts and stuff. Because, yes, lots of manufacturers are waiting on parts, but they already have their parts ordered. Yeah, it's third man. It should get out a whole, like, two games since COVID. That's my point. Because somebody else chimed in and said something like, oh, you know, it's hard to even get, like, nuts and bolts, like, from China or whatever, which I'm sure it is. but once again, you should have this stuff ordered, ready to go, coming in, something. He's 15 games deep. You'd think he'd be getting heart to heart now. Yeah, I just don't know. I mean, you know, and let's say they took 300 or 400 orders, right? What if they could only manage to, like, get out, like, 10 games a week?
    31:12
    You know, then they're really going to be, I don't want to say screwed, because that was kind of what Spooky did early on, too. but Spooky also wasn't boasting that they could, you know, pump out games and beat Stern and all this stuff, right? Pinball Nerds Podcast. I rate this podcast 111 cheese slices. Thanks, Marty. All right. That's 110 more than we've ever gotten before. I know. I can tell when things get a little stale between us when we're talking real stuff and everyone, like, starts talking about ridiculous shit. So let's go back to the Stern model versus Spooky's model. So Dr. John, or let's see here, Jack Rabbit. Everyone likes a little trim. Stern model.
    31:56
    Dr. John, doing volume is too hard. That's right. Do the spooky model. Definitely Stern model. Kaneda has been right about that for a while. But do you guys think that American Pinball can replicate that at all? Well, yeah, because they have. They want two games out a year? All the other companies that are out there, you know, American Pinball, aside from Stern, has proven that they can, you know, manufacture games. Not like that, though.
    32:24
    AP guys threw down the gauntlet on SAP. All right. Yep. I saw that. Yep. So that kind of ties into this, too, because they were pretty strong on that interview. Tony Skews, I bet AP would have sold a ton of limited edition Hot Wheels pins, call it the Red Lines edition vintage look. All right. Sure. AP should make it limited like Spooky. Damn it, I'm thirsty. Evening, buttholes. Hey, Mike. Welcome. Glad you made it. Mike was stuck at work. Spooky versus Stern are apples and oranges. Both companies got their shit figured out. Well, no, they're different. No, no, no. They are very different, and both models work very well, but AP is kind of in the middle. That's the point. Because I think American Pinball should limit their pins like Spooky. I agree.
    33:07
    But hang on, guys. For all you guys that are saying that, what should they price them at then? Pinball Nerds, thank you for subscribing. We appreciate it, brother. Thank you, Orby. God, you're sexy. Oh, two months, Orby? I'm going to give him such a big hug when we see him next. I'm giving him a handy. He keeps talking about rubbing elbows. You know, oh, by the way, Orby, if you're still there, the intro to that, I think it's your latest podcast where you were singing the Weezer saying and so, but it was another pinball show. Oh, really? Was that recent? I got to check that out. What? He's sitting there, he's playing the song. Say it ain't so. But now this is, he switched the lyrics to, you know, do we need another pinball show? Probably not. And I was crying, Orby. I was absolutely crying. It was so fucking funny. That is too good. When you get on those riffs, man, when you get on, you just start flowing, you do that Orby thing, it is the best podcasting for me. I love it. That's awesome. So for you guys who are saying they should do the Spooky model, what should they charge for that? I mean, if they're going to make a game like Oktoberfest and say there's only 500,
    34:20
    is it going to be a $9,000 game or is it going to still be a $7,000 game? Oh, shit. Now you're fucking me up. I like their model now because I can afford their shit. Exactly. That's my point because if they're doing a limited run of, say, less than $1,000, then they're going to have to charge more money. That's just the way it is. All right, Dad joke. You ready?
    34:42
    What do you call a ghost poop? A boo-boo. I like making fun of Mike Tyson's list better, but that was pretty good. Oh, thank you. Halloween's over, my friend. Long over. It's almost coming around again. EBW, an extra $1,000 would be fine. I'm not paying an extra $1,000 for my accident. Yeah. Although the value would be a lot higher. Yes. No, I think those would be, honestly. Because those were released in 72. People are selling them for $6,000. Yes. They would be. $100 loss. It's a huge loss. They would be $8,000 pins. And that would be okay. Because it would be an $8,000 pin with a lot of stuff in it.
    35:30
    Yeah, let's not share ourselves on the foot, guys. Why are we making shit more expensive? I think their new model should be $500.
    35:39
    That's all I have to say. They'll sell a lot more. All right. No matter what it is, $500. Block it. There were a couple of rumors. Let's talk about them briefly because of the rumors. Today they need to stop helping these guys. I'm glad they don't listen.
    35:53
    That CERN has the Back to the Future license, and that might be in the hopper soon-ish. What do you think? So let's think about that. that would definitely be another animation cartoon, right? That would not be any clips, any, right? We'd have to assume that. It would be a Kapow title, probably, right? And Kapow did do Batman 66, but that's like an old, old license. I loved Batman 66 even growing up as a kid, but let's be honest, that's an outdated license, right? So it's a lot cheaper than getting Marty McFly and Doc Brown on the screen. Yep.
    36:34
    And. You know, it's the problem. It's the problem with licenses is, like, you know, we see something like GNR, but they were, like, involved. Like, you could have everything.
    36:46
    No, that's bullshit. Yes. No. We're never going to get that level of immersion. That's Gary's there in a meeting. That is bullshit. Yeah, that's just bullshit. How are we ever going to compete with that? Gary Stern called up Jimmy Page, and Jimmy Page is like, fuck you, Gary Stern. Give me my million bucks, and I'm not giving you anything else. Whatever.
    37:10
    Back to the future. Oh, you want something? Okay, well, you have the title, Back to the Future, and you have a car that might look like the DeLorean. No, you'd have to pay someone who owns the DeLorean license. Well, I'm sure the DeLorean license isn't that much. I'm sure whoever has a DeLorean license is trying to cash in as much as they can for the DeLorean.
    37:29
    Do you? What do they have? Hoverboards, that's it. Yeah. Would that be a purchase for you? Would you be interested in a back-to-the-feature? No, no, no, just in a back-to-the-feature pin. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
    37:41
    Goonies number one, though, I think. Okay, I think that's it. And then Big Trouble in Little China over Goonies. But I'm the only one. My wife used to have the biggest crush on Michael J. Fox. and my son loves, loves, loves all the Back to the Future movies, if that one came out, I would just tell my wife, and I guarantee you in the rarest thing she'd ever say, she'd say, go buy it now. She would tell me to go buy it. I can guarantee that. And I would sell something and go buy it. EBW, but Stern needs movie clips. No more animations. It's not happening, man. There is no way you're going to see Doc Brown and Marty McFly on that screen other than in animated form.
    38:26
    You just won't. You can't. Like Jurassic Park. Yeah, that's my point. It's going to be like Jurassic Park.
    38:34
    Fuckers. Because they're going to spend a good chunk of change on the license. Yeah. Now you're right, man. And the game, who's... It's going to outprice me. It's going to be like, oh, the million dollar license. Yeah, it's going to be a Kapow title. $12,000. I'm going to be like, fuck.
    38:54
    How? How am I going to afford that? I'm a poor man. Well, if you sold Oktoberfest and Laser War, you could probably buy the lighted apron. I could maybe get one of the mods.
    39:07
    You could buy the special hoverboard. Oh, you could buy the hoverboard topper. I can get the topper. That's for sure. Maybe a cool shooter rod, and then I'll just build a box. You can still buy those. remember the stupid little hoverboard he rides in there? Yeah. When he steals from the girl? Yeah. Like, you can get those somewhere. That would be a cool topper. Just stick it up there in a post. But yeah, Sturgeon would charge you $1,000. You can probably get one on eBay for $50. But when you get there, hoverboard, you get a mode.
    39:40
    So it's worth $1,000. A mode you may never see. Yes. It's after the wizard mode, after you go through the game twice. And then you can get to that mode. All right. Well, interesting. Well, I'm thinking there's a new game on my horizon this year. We'll see what it is. Do you have any ideas? I have no idea what's coming out next year. Oh, you're thinking about buying a new game? I just want to get a new game next year, I think.
    40:05
    Okay. It's about time. No, no, but like new to you or a new game? Like a new game. No box. Cool. It's been a while. All right.
    40:14
    Sense Monster Bash. Mm-hmm. Do you miss Monster Bash? Yeah. Go ahead, bud. All right. I miss Monster Bash because it was an awesome game. I miss Monster Bash because it was probably the prettiest game I've owned. I don't miss its rules, and I don't miss how tedious that fucking game was, but I've said it a million times. It's a beautiful game, and I love monsters, so it's right up my alley. I would love to see that next to the Oktoberfest, and I loved how that thing shot. It shot beautifully. How do you tell the difference between a male door and a female door?
    40:49
    The knob? Close. One has a ding-dong, one has knockers. I was especially proud of that one. I'm still grinning here.
    41:07
    Oh, no. All right. So I just kind of want to finish this up. There was another discussion kind of going on on our Facebook page.
    41:19
    Ding dong. It was about people changing the settings in their games to make the game more fun for them. And even altering the outlanes and different rubbers and putting in the posts and all kinds of different things that maybe make the game a little easier. Yeah. Changing it to five balls so you can see more of the game. And, of course, you know, the purist came in and said, I will light your house on fire if you do this. Yep, naturally. And most rational people just said, yeah, do what you want. It's your game. Yep. Where do you fall on that scale? I'm pretty rational.
    41:57
    I'm rational. Okay. Yeah, I'm not going to burn anyone's house down due to a pinball. Yeah, some people get so mad about that. Well, purists, and we know some, and there are a few tribe members that are purists, and it's just a game. Sorry. I know. It's just a game. It's Bimbo. When you were a kid, did you ever use Game Genie with your Nintendo? Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was the best. You had to find out what was behind the play pool. Yes.
    42:27
    Didn't you want to do it? You had to. No. No, it's just every time these things come up and, you know, it's just like politics or anything else, it's like you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to be a dick. Right, absolutely. And, like, technically you are entitled to be a dick. That's the country you live in. America. Yeah, I'm entitled to do what I want. Say what I want. I want to do it. But I just can't believe the police on some of these things. So tell us what you think, Chad. But, you know, I told people this. I've shared this story before. When I first got Iron Maiden, I was, you know, getting into pinball pretty hardcore. Yep. I had this new in-box game. I was really excited.
    43:06
    And I changed it to five ball because I said, yeah, I spent all this fucking money on this game. I'm going to see what's in it, right? I wasn't cheating. I was just, I need a couple more balls to see, you know, get further in the game, see what it's all about. Jesse J., wow, I'm amazed I can flip a ball better than you? No, get fucked. Pinball is fun. Play however you want. No, that's it. That's exactly it. I mean. Jesse J., elitism can get fucked. Okay. Jesse J has strong opinion. Jesse J, fight them elitist. Fuck, Jesse. Easy there, girl. Life's short, Jesse. Yeah.
    43:43
    Okay, maybe talk about the altering changes. That's what I was talking about. Yeah. So here's the thing. I would say this.
    43:55
    Sorry. I would also say this. If it was like, if you could change the balls to three to five, isn't that like a setting? Yes. Oh, it's a very easy setting. You can change it to ten balls. I mean, you can change it to one. How are we really fucking altering anything? That's the problem. I know. Exactly. Because you're just like, oh. You're not sitting there with the glass off throwing more balls at me. Funny story. Ski ball on it. So my brother, my brother is not a pinhead at all. I tell you, he has no good golfers. He's a diehard golf fan. He golfs every day if he could. and his daughter likes golf. His daughter loves the game. You know, it's no good gopher. She's 12, so it's perfect for, like, a 12-year-old, right? Mm-hmm. And I'm helping him out with something on the machine, and I'm looking at his grand champion score, and I'm like, that's pretty good. And then I find out he has it set to five balls. Sure. Right? And the funniest part was I said, I kind of, I jabbed him because he's my brother, so I was like, oh, you know, and I was like, I'm a peer. You know, I was joking. I'm a purist. You have to have it on three balls. He goes, what? And I go, yours is set to five balls. He goes, yeah. And I said, you know that three balls is standard, right? He goes, no. He had no idea. The game came that way. So the previous owner had set it to five balls. He didn't even know how to open a machine when he first got it. It was his first machine. And here they are playing on five balls. Guess what? Did he have less fun? No.
    45:23
    Joke. Joke it up. All right. Why couldn't the toilet paper cross the road? It got stuck on a crack. Next ding, guys. When you guys hear the ding, we'll tell you. We'll give you a minute. You guys can submit a dad joke, and we'll read a couple on there. Tony's good. See, that's the problem. It messes up the high score. Tony. Oh, see, but that's the issue. It's your game. oh someone erased my GC because I put 20 balls in here's the other thing Tony fuck off look at TMNT they have that 3 vs 1 co-op now or competitive mode right because you might have someone who's really good at pinball and you have some newbies or whatever that's fine that's what it's all about I'm a score chaser everybody knows that but like I also love to see what's in a pinball game. Tiki Pinball. If you have kids, put rubber bands in the outlines. Who cares? Ah, I like that. Tiki. You're a smart son of a gun. I like you. That is awesome. All right. Well, I think I scared Jessie J away, so that's good. Good thing she's gone.
    46:44
    Jessie, we love you. Of course. All right. So I know Jessie J's last name. Is it J? It's J. um so so i saw something yesterday that was pretty cool i shared it on our group page and our tribe page but uh um oh what's his name uh dennis mcquade he does the sonic uh oh yes oh he was testing it so he was live streaming the sonic take my fucking money now did you see some of this yes yes yes yes not only does that thing shoot like butter it's like butter But I love how he incorporated the spin, the loop. So you get it in that little outkicker. It shoots through the loop over like a little ramp in through a spinner. And then it goes around. Full disclosure. And if you hit that big fat ramp, it goes around and it can get locked over here. When I'm driving, listening to podcasts, and people start talking about that homebrew, I pull over and start jerking it. I mean, like, I insert the coins for busting. You know, we've often talked about like Zelda and Mario and how those would be great games if they brought them to the modern era. Right. You know, because the Mario games obviously aren't very good. Right. But, and I've always, ever since I got into pinball, I thought that. And then when I first laid eyes on Dennis, David, Dennis, I think it was Dennis. Dennis McQuaid. I can look it up. We'll get a confirmation. When I first laid eyes on that machine, you know, it was kind of like in a rudimentary stage, and I was like, yeah, this is really cool. And then I kind of started following it and watching all of his stuff online.
    48:31
    Ryan McQuaid. There you go. Sorry, Ryan. Ryan McQuaid with the – we're talking about the Sonic Spinball Homebrew pinball machine that should be made any day now, I'd hope.
    48:44
    It's just super cool. Because it's a theme I love. It's a game that shoots well. It's got a lot of cool innovation in it. And I think the sky's the limit with that thing. Tony Seuss, I hope he wins the Toy P. Absolutely, I voted for him. Yes. I think I did as well. So much fun. It looks so much fun. And then he got a little attack from Mars there. So, like, you hit the three stand-ups, and then the thing comes down, and then there's a bash toy, which I think is Dr. Robotnik. He's in it. Right now it's a Death Star with a squiggly face. but yeah you do that yeah no super cool yeah i'm like oh god can i can i make how cool can i make a little criticism of the twippies here i'm sorry i have to because we're talking about homebrew it's not great it's it's an observation criticism is too harsh of a word um we we just talked about homebrew and how i did vote for him um and you know we we met mark and city who did uh is doing Nightmare Before Christmas, and that's a great game. Fantastic. But why are you able to be included year after year? He wasn't included this year. He was. He was on the menu.
    49:56
    I'm pretty sure he wasn't. We can bring it up. I thought I saw it. If he wasn't, then I apologize, Jeff. But I thought I saw it on the drop-down, and I just said, well, you know, I thought it was like new home brews made this year.
    50:14
    I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, he wasn't in there. Yeah, Tim says nope. Okay. He wasn't in. Was it in the original, like, when they were voting for the drop-down menu? I have no idea. The pre-voting? I have no idea.
    50:32
    Sorry, man. Can't help you. Okay. Oh, then it's fine. Then it's the way it should be. Yeah, because I think, you know, we talked about it. We went through each one last episode, and we did not talk about Nightmare Before Christmas. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Boom. Fair enough. Yeah, that Sonic game, I love. And he had an interview with Kennedy. If you guys have not seen that interview, please listen to that interview. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Very well done.
    50:55
    You know, everyone who does a homebrew, it seems like when you talk to them, they just have that mind that can figure out a homebrew. But then they tell everybody else, like, oh, yeah, you can do it. All you got to do is, you know, this, this, and this. And you go, yeah, you're right. That's all I got to do. But then when you talk to these people, it's like, no, you're a whole other level. Speaking of that, so here's some behind-the-scenes messages to that point.
    51:25
    Two of our tribe members here. Let's make a poor man's pin. Everyone mail in a part. Let's see what happens. Then it says, so it would be 15 bottles of Kessler's, some beaver nuggets, and a half-eaten moon pie.
    51:40
    Yeah, that kind of sounds good. We'll take it to the show. But Chris, and that was Chris Chandler, by the way, you are missing the most vital part of that pinball machine. It would be a urinal right up the center. Yes, and it would be at a 45-degree angle.
    51:59
    Oh, I love you guys. I fucking love you guys. Thanks a lot of follow through. Yeah, CJC hand. Yep, you're right. Yeah, and I've been, in my ignorance and stupidity over the last, I'd say 12 months, I've been actually researching a lot of stuff because, like I said, my first thought was to do a re-theme, you know, and then. Okay, Drew. What? No, it's fine. Well, because the... Crosses out Raven and puts Rambo down in paint or magic marker. It doesn't matter. Go ahead, dude.
    52:41
    I'm going to finish this thought. You're not going to make fun of me, asshole. Oh, and sorry. Mike Williams shined in on that poor man spin. Here I thought it would be a flashlight on the door. Well, I thought that went without saying. we're a gender opportunistic thing so next to the flashlight is the penis you get to choose yeah you can bump into one or the other mike whichever one you want a german boy pushes his brother off a cliff uh-oh where's this one going look mom no hands
    53:23
    So anyways. Dead stop. Show went to a dead stop. No, the tools that are available now for Joe Schmoes like you and I, Ian and Drew Schmoes, as it were, the P-Rock system. Hans Gruber.
    53:44
    Mission Pinball Framework, which you don't need programming knowledge. You just need to kind of learn how to use it. And it's free. It's open source. There's lots of stuff.
    53:55
    I think, Ian, you and I could do something like that. Not as good as Sonic, of course, but I think you and I could make a flippable poor man's. Maybe we'll do that, Ian. Here's the plan. You want to do a homebrew? Yes. All right. You know it's coming. Because between you and I, together, we actually have all the skills we need for this. I just want to say. Yeah. Neither one of us can make a box.
    54:23
    That's just going to be a lot of prizes. Well, no. We would be using an existing cabinet. Oh, we will. Yeah. We get a beat-up donor cab. Those are easy to come by, right? Yep. So we get a beat-up donor cab. We sand it down, paint it. You know, we can get decals. Decals are readily available now, right? Franchi's doing our art. Yep. Franchi's going to do the art. Here's the best part. The play field, because it's poor man's, There's no art on the play field, Ian. We can. If we could. We could do our poor man's art on there. Absolutely. And CPR has that special now. They'll print a play field for you. They'll print Translate. They'll do the whole thing. Perfect. So that's what I'm saying. The barrier we going to have is money not the ability to do it You know because they even cut the inserts and they do the whole thing for the play field Yeah. So we'll get there. We're working towards it, folks.
    55:23
    Ian's like, no, we're not. You just know what's going to happen. And I always rope Ian into all these stupid projects. Like one day, it was about two years ago, I said, hey, Ian. He's like, what? I'm like, we should do a podcast. And he said, no, we shouldn't.
    55:34
    And I said, no, really. I think we can do this. And he goes, no. He goes, we could, but we shouldn't. And I said, Ian, Jesus Christ. I said, you love pinball. You got me into this. I fucking love it. I'm consuming this pinball content like nobody's business. And Ian goes, yes, you're consuming it. You are not doing it. And here we are. Yeah. Two years later. You're number three now. Yeah. Oh, shit. Guys, we are almost at 100 episodes. And that doesn't include Fuck It Fridays. So we are, like, well over 100 episodes. Anyway. Yeah, that's basically how the story went. So, anyway.
    56:17
    Cheers. So, all the way back to homebrew. Cheers, everybody. Ryan McQuaid and Sonic's Finball.
    56:26
    You get that many cheese slices. 1,000 cheese slices for you, sir. That is a hell of an honor. Do you think your company is going to pick that up? I think they should. It depends on licensing, obviously. Yeah. No, they said that. Did you hear? So Nintendo is notoriously difficult to license because they're fucking Nintendo, right? Yeah. They beat their chess and whatever. Sega, I guess, like, somewhere they used to kind of be more difficult, but then now they started, like, and this happened years ago, where they, like... They're cashing in on the name.
    56:58
    Who is? Sega. Sure. Yeah, cash in. Sure. No, no, but I'm saying Sega, they used to, Nintendo always went after people that were using their licenses. Sega used to, too, and then one day Sega kind of stopped, and they said, look, these are people promoting our brand. They love our products. Most of them weren't, like, selling anything. They just wanted to, you know, it's like the whole Twitch thing and take it down and whatever. Sega's like, we don't care. They're good. Not pinball related, but there was a rumor on the Internet. Thank you for the bits, Tony. Tony, thank you. All these bits, man.
    57:35
    For 100 episodes? It's like you got like three jobs or something. We haven't got there yet, Tony. You're going to have to give us another 100 in 13 weeks.
    57:45
    Bitties to see his titties. Oh, you don't need any bitties for that. I'll just try you. Just ask. No, that's a benefit.
    57:52
    So, no, there was like an Internet rumor that Sega was going to release like one of those mini, you know, they had the mini NES? Yeah. Well, Sega's going to release the mini Dreamcast. Yeah, what happened with that? I was just hearing that. Well, Sega was like, that is a rumor.
    58:08
    I'm paraphrasing, but that's a fucking great rumor. That's what I'm saying. No, they participated in it. I'm pretty sure they're going to be releasing a mini Dreamcast. Really? I would get that. Oh, that would be cool. In a heartbeat. That would be cool. Skies of Arcadia, dude, they have so many good games on that thing. Oh, Dreamcast. I had one, and then my brother pawned it for drugs. That's a true story. True story. Womp, womp.
    58:36
    I'm trying to get the ding so I can get a joke here. I just want to tell a joke here. All right, here we go. Ready.
    58:44
    I hurt my foot driving in the car, while driving in the car. Guess what I had to call? Who? A tow truck.
    58:52
    Oh, my God. Ah! spiraling down the drain faster than usual. You guys don't like that? Fine. Fuck you guys. Nothing. It's okay. Everyone loves your jokes. They do because I'm lovable.
    59:08
    Ermengarde. Ermengarde? Yeah. Fuck. All right. Yes. Ermengarde. All right. So what are we doing? What's next?
    59:19
    I think it's time for happy hour. We're having a good time. We have a lot of great people in chat. And, yeah, I think we need to come up with a nice little subject for people to chat about during happy hour. All right. I'll play the music, and you guys think of something we should all talk about. It's Poor Man Pinball Podcast Happy Hour, which can only mean through deep thought and self-reflection, we go to the viewer's comments. All right, it's happy hour. This is where we get into fun little subjects like, you know, the great emu war of, you know, 1910 and all that good stuff. So what do you guys want to talk about? Anything. Anything, anything you want to talk about, we will talk about it. Drew, have you seen anything fun lately? Have I seen anything fun, like on TV? 1932, just to get it right. I'm pretty sure that was like during World War II or just before World War II. The emus never forget.
    60:25
    Whatever. I thought it was before World War I. I could be wrong. Today my wife introduced me to Netflix porn number two. So she's been watching that Outlander show. You know, the Scottish ones. Yeah, they're just banging Scottish dudes with nice chests, banging Scottish broads. There's still a few of us out there. Oh, yeah. Is that you? I got a nice chest. So then today she said, oh, I've been watching this show. And then she kind of got quiet. She goes, I found out my mom watches it too.
    61:00
    And I was like, oh, yeah? And then she's like, oh, yeah, it's great. It's like softcore porn. And I'm like, okay. And you watch this like your mom, you know? And anyway, it's called Bridgerton. You see it? Oh, it's like number one. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a big deal. So basically what – so here was my takeaways from it. So Rachel, Bridgerton was just okay. She already knew what you were talking about.
    61:25
    So I watch porn too, but I don't advertise it to the world. You do. I do. We have a whole podcast about it.
    61:35
    Touche, Ian, touche. So anyways, so she goes – you know, I'm just messing on my phone. and this was a couple hours ago, and she's like, do you want to watch an episode with me? I'm like, yeah, turn it on. I don't give a shit. So it starts off. There's this light-skinned black guy, and this takes place in England,
    61:55
    I want to say the early 1900s, I think, or late 1800s. Okay, okay. So there's this, I'm just going to say it, there's this black guy banging this white chick. They're married. I'm scratching my head. I'm like, is this like real? Historically, actually. Yeah, because I was like, you know, it was like 18-something. Oh, yeah. And then. That's historically accurate. Yeah. But I guess the. If a dude has a penis and a girl has a vagina, they're going to meet. And he was a good-looking dude. Doesn't matter. Oh, yeah. Well, that part doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, it doesn't matter. They're going to find each other. Well, I guess the.
    62:28
    Yeah. And they did find each other many times. I believe it. There's one, like, he's like. It helps to be good-looking, I find out. Oh, yeah. This dude. I'm just fine. This guy's like, you know, the chiseled chest or whatever. And she's cute.
    62:42
    Sorry. There's so few of us chiseled chest dudes. I don't know what to say. But my wife is just like, when I watch The Simpsons, I watch The Office, I'm always like, oh, this is so funny. And I can watch it for hours. That's how my wife looked. After she makes fun of me all the time, how can you just sit here and watch this shit? And I look over at her and I'm like, how can you just sit here and watch this shit?
    63:07
    But yeah, Bridgerton, don't watch it. Does it say soft? Outlander is fire. Soft horn turns hard. It says strokes are better. Soft horn turns hard. 1800 Bush. Yeah.
    63:19
    You know, I can't tell you. My wife's been into that. My wife has been watching that Surviving Death.
    63:29
    It's all about supernatural mediums, ghosts. That's why you walked in on that. I walked in today, and Ian and Laura on the couch kind of talking quietly. The daughter's just watching TV, and then I hear, but it's a ghost. What if the ghost does this? And I'm like, what the fuck? So there's history there. We can get into that on another podcast maybe. But regardless, yeah, so my wife's watching this shit that's just crazy, like mediums. You know, what happens when you die? Like people that have almost, you know, died and then have come back, but then all the things they've seen. And, you know, she's watching all this stuff. I'm going to bed. I'm like, ah, fuck off. I'm tired. I'm going to bed. I go to bed, and all of a sudden I hear her, like, run up the stairs because she's so scared. Like, she freaks herself out watching this shit. And she runs up the stairs and hops into bed. I'm like, fuck, what is going on? She's like, I'm so scared right now.
    64:22
    But she's so adorable. I love it. But, yeah, no, it's surviving death. It's all supernatural stuff. I don't know, you know. It is what it is.
    64:32
    Can't tell you any more than that. Well, Drew comes in, and, well, Laura was like, so what are ghosts? She just turns to me, and what are ghosts? Because I told her so far that show is nothing but bullshit. Is it like ghost hunters? No, no. It's like real people that have experienced. Oh, they're just telling their accounts. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I got it. And I didn't watch the ghost shit. That's, like, coming up next. So even Laura hasn't watched it. But she watched the medium one, and then I watched the first episode, which is, like, near-death experience or whatever. You leave your body, and then things happen. Time gets all weird.
    65:08
    And I'm a proponent of when you die, your brain releases every chemical it has, and you just have a great trip. And then you die. Nothing else happens. Yeah, it's like your – That's just my own belief. It's your body's response to whatever. Dying. Yeah. It's gone. You're just – well, your body's like, let's go out with a bang, you know, and you see – and as the show keeps going, you know, my wife even at the end was like, yeah, you're probably right. because everyone experienced something very similar but very different, but it was all trippy. Yeah, it's like drugs. Exactly. It's just like how everyone experiences drugs a little differently. You know, the way endorphins work for you is different than the way they work for me, like dopamine and all that stuff. Yeah. So, anyway, regardless of that, you know, so that's one part of this whole thing. What's dowsing? Sorry. Dowsing is an interesting topic.
    65:58
    All right, Glenno, why don't you talk about that a little bit? So anyway, so I'll just go into it slightly. Maybe we can talk about this in more detail. But I grew up in a house that was extremely haunted, believe it or not. I'm not one that believes in a lot of the supernatural stuff, but I've experienced it firsthand. And I remember it as if it was yesterday, and this wasn't like a figment of my imagination. So I have had a lot of bad experiences. That was Dick Bacon breaking into your house. No, that was a whole other experience. We can talk about that in another episode. Go back to our, oh, I wish we had episode numbers because Dick Bacon episodes. So I've seen some shit. You know, I've seen some shit. And my wife then comes to me and says, well, if all this is bullshit, what are ghosts? I'm just like, ah, the fuck did I know? And that's about where I walked in. He was just like, no, no, what are they? What are they? I want to know what they are. It's like, fuck, can anyone answer that question? Nobody can answer that question. It's kind of like saying, like, what happens when you get to the edge of the universe? You know what I mean? What do you mean by that? Yeah. Okay. If I literally had enough, if I had an unlimited amount of time and gas and resources and I just kept flying my spaceship, right, where would I end up? I don't know. Fuck if I know. And that's why I take THC syrup. I wonder about all these things. Let's see here. Yeah, what do we got in chat here? All right. So we're going to start with Bridgerton was just okay.
    67:28
    There's real porn for free out there. I know. That's what I told my wife. Thanks, Ace Track. I'm like, this chick's cute. Exactly. Outlanders, Firebrooks is better. Soft porn turns hard.
    67:40
    That's actually one of my favorite phrases. I'm going to use that from now on. Was there a trail of piss on the steps?
    67:48
    I freak myself out watching things like that, too. Go on YouTube and look up bedtime stories, crazy stories. Okay, dowsing is an interesting topic. Yeah, we still don't know what dowsing is. There, go ahead. Got bought my wife a VR Quest 2, and every dude that comes over is like, have you tried VR porn yet? Every single one. LOL, what the fuck. That's in Bob Mafia. Have you tried VR porn yet? Yeah. The one thing that freaks me out about VR porn is the cleanup afterwards. You never know where it all goes.
    68:26
    What? Where did it? I can't see it. My biggest fear is my wife's going to take a picture of me, and I'm going to become a meme on the Internet. Ace Trek. Fat guy with VR headset.
    68:37
    Ace Trek. Have you? Have you tried the porn? You asked him right away. And then Pinball Mafia, nope. Pinball Mafia, you disappoint me. You're never going to be a tribe member doing that kind of stuff. Glen 0570, you hold wands of energy to lead you to whatever you're looking for. Oh, I know what dousing is. Yeah, Glen, I know what you're talking about. Can you explain it to the people and me? Yeah, so that was saying is basically there's certain people that can do this. They have these sticks that they can harness energy, right? So they put them together. It's called Tai Chi. Like an X. And then they walk around and they can literally, like the sticks take them to where they need to be. Like a Ouija board? No, more like, you know, like they used to have that, the Y sticks that people believed that if you held them a certain way, you could find well water. You know, you can find water to drill for. It's old school stuff. But dowsing is more energy based. It's the weirdest shit. Why do I know that, Glenn? Fuck off. Yeah, why? We shouldn't know that, Glenn. No. We're better than that, Glenn. I was just thinking that. VR porn has to be better than regular porn, Tony Scoots. Yeah, you're right there.
    69:48
    Let's see. Pinball Mafia. That's the first thing you did. LOL, Tony Scoots. Yep. Let's see. Nothing is better than the real thing. Pinball Mafia. I don't know.
    70:01
    Let's see here. Go on YouTube and look up naked yoga. You will be shocked. Oh, no. Witcher Wands. I'll report back next week. Walk around looking for water. Dowsing sounds like pee porn.
    70:20
    You have won the Internet, my friend. Chris Chandler, you won the Internet today for sure. Then we've got to get a new tribe member in here. Yep, we do have a new one. He's been waiting this whole time. He's been in chat this whole time, people. Yep. Just waiting for us to mention him. I'm making fun of people with disabilities. We're going to go on the naughty list. Who is? Us. Did I tell you guys about the cross-eyed teacher? She couldn't control her pupils.
    70:48
    See, I got in trouble for that. So I should probably not mention it. But when I say it, I'm just cute. Yeah, you are adorable when you say it. When I say it, I'm offensive. I'm one of those guys. I use my special needs son. I'm like, yeah, special needs son. I can say what I want.
    71:04
    I'm just going to tell a dad joke right away. You know, I got a really good dad joke. You guys ready? This is an authentic one. This is what my dad told me a few months ago, and I have been trying to bring it up. Your dad said this? This is a great dad joke. Ready? From your dad? Yeah, from my dad. And his dad is, like, the dad joke guy. He told me this, like, freaking out while we were eating Thanksgiving dinner. So he goes to me, he goes, all right, son. He was like, there's a wife and a husband laying in bed.
    71:34
    And the wife turns to the husband and says, if you want to have sex, grab my left boob. If you don't want to have sex, grab my right boob. The guy says, oh, okay, all right, I can do that. And then he goes to his wife and he says, honey, if you don't want to have sex, grab my penis. Sorry. If you want to have sex, grab my penis. If you don't want to have sex, grab my penis 50 times.
    72:09
    Oh, I screwed up the ending, but you guys got it. No, no, that was actually really good. You didn't quite stick the landing, but you did okay. That was good. We got the gist of it, and that was actually really good. When you guys say it over in your head, you're going to laugh at us. No, that's actually really good. I like that. All right. Okay, so should we do Trad Member? Let's do it. I suppose this guy's been bugging us for like 100 years. Let's do it. All right. And now he's going to be part of the insanity.
    72:47
    Thank you, sir, may I have another Poor Man's Pinball Tribe Thank you, sir, may I have another Poor Man's Pinball Tribe Thank you, sir, may I have another Poor Man's Pinball Tribe Right now, yeah!
    73:04
    So, let's review the tribe a little bit. So, how many members strong are we now? So, we are 38... Oh, no!
    73:14
    Oh, bummer. 37 strong. 37 is strong. We have a new member today. The tribe is just a very special group of people that we have had our hand in helping to assemble, and we love each and every one of you, some more than others. Premature tribulation.
    73:37
    These are people that have helped us grow our podcast. These are people that have been fans and listeners from day one. And they're just great people on the podcast.
    73:49
    Aren't really media members. There are a few. That's kind of subjective. Yeah, we're trying to keep it. It's community-based. That's what we want. Yes, community, 100%. And we've had a ton of fun. We've actually made some real-life friends. Because, you know, it's just like Facebook where some people you talk to all the time and some people you never talk to. but the members that you're going to see on this list here in a second that you already saw briefly.
    74:17
    Premature Tribalation. We talk to at least half of them on a very, very regular basis, and another percentage of them have become really good friends of mine and Ian's. And without further ado, we have a brand new Tribe member for the day. All right, MJ Williams. All right, here's the thing. Kind of media members. Okay, they are media members, definitely. And then we also have Orbital Albert, and we have Ryan Chiper, tribe member number one. Christopher Franchi. But these are all people that I feel are, they don't, they're not, God, I'm going to say it wrong. I just know I'm going to say it wrong.
    74:56
    They made the cut. Let's just fucking say it that way. How about that? They made the cut. And actually, because we can do it, I've been thinking about it. I mean, we're getting to a pretty big number now. so we're we're probably going to change the way we induct people soonish do we cut it off do we have a number where we just cut off 50 no i don't think that's the case okay but i thought that's maybe we're going i was thinking about some different things and don't quote me on this but you know we we have enough of a community now within our tribe members because we we have this great here's here's i i was actually thinking about this earlier this week we have this great poor man's pinball community, right? We have listeners. We have media. We have some people in the industry. You know, lots of people like what we're doing. At least that's what I like to envision.
    75:45
    So lots of people listen to us and like what we're doing. And then we have inside of that, we have this tribe, which is now almost 40 people strong. So maybe we'll give them the power to start inducting tribe members. Oh, I like that. Yeah, because they are their own subset of misfits within the larger subset of pinball misfits. Yeah, I like that. That's how I look at it. I like that. So we're getting there. No longer are we. You didn't know we were working on this, but we're working on it. We're not kings. No, we're not. We're the democracy. We are of the people. Yeah. We're the people. So it should be the people. Yeah, there you go. All right. So.
    76:22
    Should we just do the new tribe member? Do it. All right. Tribe member. Number 38 is... Jesse J. Jesse J., you're out.
    76:38
    Son of a bitch. Ian put in the wrong slide. Hold on. Jesse J. is a tribe member. I can fix you. She's tribe member 36, I think. Jesus Christ. She's two or three ago. What happened?
    76:52
    We stuck here at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. I had it. you know the other one worked whatever I suck at this okay hold on so anyways if you're not a tribe member like us on Facebook help us grow our podcast you know communicate with us on a regular basis like I said though we're probably going to be changing those pillars because the community is becoming awesome alright we're going to just change that quit looking everybody everyone avert your eyes Jesse J is old news sorry Jesse J sorry we love you alright we're gonna get there sorry everybody everyone's just like yep this is exactly what we expect from these idiots they show up and this is where we get hey we're doing a live show how many people are doing live shows I'm not talking about streamers you know streamers do their own thing there's our Tony Scudero. Hey, Tony. Tony, Tony, Tony. He's got a nickname. It's Scoots. So Tony Scoots. T-Scoots. Because I don't know how to say his last name. We're calling you Tony Scoots. Congratulations, Jeff DJ.
    78:12
    Sorry, Tony. I really feel bad. All right, Tony. All right. Tony, I have so many questions. But all right. Firefighter. Paramedic. Owns a bakery with his brothers. He has four kids. Ages 14, 12, 9, and a two-year-old. also has a wife who he has been married to for the past 15 years,
    78:32
    and he still has time to listen to the Poor Man's Pinball podcast. Well, I wouldn't say so much finds time as waste time listening to us. Oh, Tony. Tony, we appreciate your time wasting with us. I just look at that and I go, well, he just warms my heart because that guy hasn't missed a live show yet, I don't think. No, no, Tony, I know for sure. Like, we communicated a little bit earlier on, but, yeah, since we've been doing the live shows, he's been here every week. Dude, fucking count it, every week. We really appreciate everything you've done for us and just being part of this community. And so Tony here, I don't want to put the other tribe members on blast, but I'm going to because that's my style. Yeah, that's what you do every week. I mean, look at this. Firefighter, paramedic, owns a bakery. I mean. Made me feel like a piece of shit. Yeah. And then on top of that, he's amazing for kids. Yeah, I'm like, I swing pizzas. I sell paint. I have a two-year-old, and I tell people all the time I don't have time to play pinball. Yet this guy fucking manages it. Yeah, he does everything. He manages. Yep. So, Tony, welcome aboard. So, yeah, pretty serious arcade collector and restorer, but has thrown down the shackles of arcade games and has been into pinball for the past three years. So that's going to be our new segment, guys, and we're going to get into more depth there because Tony has illuminated some spark in my head. He has a cool game room. That I just want to see more game rooms. So we're going to go. He sent us pictures of his game room. It's so sick. So we're going to go into that a little bit in the next segment. But for right now, yes, he currently owns a Donald and Ellie, Iron Maiden Premium, Star Trek Ellie, a Scorpion. What? That doesn't seem to fit. Bailey Knight Rider. This is their poor days, I guess. And then Jurassic Park Premium has a Guns N' Roses collector's edition on the way.
    80:24
    What a collection. A firefighter is buying a Guns N' Roses CE. What are we doing wrong here, Ian? It's the bakery, baby. Tony. Yeah, it's the pizza and cannoli. Sorry, Tony. I'm just thinking about how much he did to yourself. Scoots, I'm sure you've seen the episode of The Simpsons where Homer and Mo and Apu become volunteer firefighters. Yeah. And they end up stealing everything from the people that they're helping.
    80:53
    That's the only thing. Tony's like, I'll save you. He goes in and puts out the fire. And then they would, like, take, like, the jewelry. He's like, sorry, your pinball collection, total loss. Yeah, it's a lot. Everything else? We'll get it out of here. Everything else was fine. We'll get these machines out of here for you, ma'am. Oh, is that a dollar? Yeah. Totally doesn't work.
    81:15
    I'll just decide, Tony. Thank you for your service. You are one of the people. Quick story, you guys. I think I've told this once or twice before. Before I got my illustrious pizza career, I was going to be a firefighter. I was actually going to school. I was through a couple semesters. But Domino's offered me more money than they could pay me from the city, which is weird. But it is what it is. But, Tony, I salute you, man, for everything you do. And being a firefighter is almost as important as being a father. So thank you for that. Yeah, very cool, man. Thank you, sir, for saving lives, man, on a daily basis, I'm sure. And then putting them at risk when you sell them cannoli. And saving, yeah, here. Get fat, and then when you get a heart attack, I'll come save you. Oh, man. All right, we'll go. Very cool. So our tribe list, let's go into our tribe list. Yeah, now you can put it up there. All right. You know, so suck a dick, dude. Who's this producer right there? I'm sorry, did you put this together? Did you do anything? If I would have, I would have been right. See how the text is getting smaller, kid? Yeah, so I can't even read it from here. So 38. So there are 38 people who are willing to be part of our tribe member. Well, they don't have a choice. But Jesse J., Jeremy Schmitz, Rachel, Lilgie, Lilgie, Lilguy. Remember how we were talking about Lilguy? Yeah, Lilguy. And Tony rounding up the last four You know what That a solid top four Oh I had some Facebook messages with Chris Grosner earlier this week I haven talked to him in a while Oh yeah Yeah he been kind of silent So all you guys on this list and off this list, feel free to email us, poormanspinball at gmail.com.
    83:00
    Send us messages. Yeah, we're starting to... We have a monthly happy hour on Zoom. Facebook Live, Facebook Zoom, whatever they call it, Facebook meetings. It's fun. So a lot of these people come out, and Josh Mudd's out of Facebook jail. Josh Mudd is in permanent prison. Yep, yep. Facebook prison, that is. But no, so what does it include? Dude, it includes the secret entrance into our tribe page, which is always fun. And it also, and what they're doing in the tribe page, tap secret, but it involves some coins. and there's some other good things that go along with the tribe memberships. Yeah. Yeah, there are some perks to being a tribe member. Yeah, we have gotten some emails of people requesting to be part of the tribe. We have read them. We understand it. We get it. We're just right now it seems to be the ticket in is just joining us on these chats, making sure you follow us and having fun with us. And nudes. Send nudes. Tony's nudes.
    84:09
    He was wearing the firefighter thing with the suspenders. Oh, shit. And then he sent a damn calendar, too, for Christmas. Tony. He was holding a cat. He was holding a little kitten. Little kitten, yeah. What could you do? He saved it from the mean old tree.
    84:25
    Tony, you dirty bastard. So does that include a nude shot of Drew? Yeah, we do when we want you out of the tribe. Yeah, that's your pink slip. That's when you go, bye-bye, sir. so oh josh what sent me a photo he still can't join us on these things what is happening here why are we getting why am i all right never mind i'm done with you josh for a while all right um tony probably message me later i'll send you all kinds of fun stuff all right so oh sorry i hit the mic there guys um so here is the new idea for the new segment tell me if it's a cool segment or not but you haven't thought of this like three hours ago yeah i like the idea so i'm gonna call it i Dig it. I'm calling it, what do I call it, game room porn. Game room porn. I love it. So all of us have some killer setups, right? Game rooms. Bars.
    85:17
    Just awesome setups, awesome game collections. And since we try to be more community focused, let's get some game room photos here. So email us at thepornmanspinball at gmail.com. You see it on the bottom there. If you're like Ian and I, you know, we're not looking for the most extravagant. We're looking for, hey, I made use of this great space. Yeah, it's true. And once again, I play all my pinball in a bedroom on the first floor. Yes. But that is my happy place. Yes. I go there every day, and I love it. Yeah, they don't have to be as great as Tony's. Yes. Fine. Yeah, Tony's is true porn. You know, like, and we see, like, on our Try page with Tim Lee, he has a lot of model trains. Mm-hmm. And I showed my wife. She didn't give a shit about the pinball machines he had. She was like, that is the most impressive train collection. She lost her shit over it. She's like, let me see that again. I showed her that damn video, Tim, like three times. So what we're going to call this is Game Room Porn.
    86:14
    It's nothing crazy. We're just going to look at the collection you sent us, and we're going to kind of talk about some of the games and how we feel about them, all right? What it means to us. because Drew and I have a background in arcade and pinball. Oh, yeah. I love to get my old basement ready to go. We can talk some shit. So first picture is of a Tron he refurbished. Tron is one of those games, dude, it's a solid game, but, man, it's hard to find them in good condition. Remember, and the same thing, it's just like every other game. At some point they were dirt cheap. Dirt cheap. Yeah, dirt cheap. Tron, Tapper.
    86:53
    There's a handful of games. Crystal Castles. All those games you could used to get for a couple hundred dollars at the most. Yes. But then it got popular. And then now people refurbish them and stuff. Because isn't that funny? Like, it truly went from, you know, both hobbies went from.
    87:13
    Dirt cheap? Well, dirt cheap. Put it out of my basement. Yeah, exactly. Like, I have this heavy thing. The kids used to play it. You know, like, say they had a pinball. Yeah, the shit's broken down now. And they're just like, yeah, this thing doesn't work. and we don't know anything about it. Just get it out of my basement for free. So, yeah, there's the Tron. Beautiful restore, man. Those are great when they're all lit up. They are one of the best arcade games. Even though I'm a cocktail fan. So look at these Nintendo games. Oh, that's awesome. He's got them all, it seems, right there. I see three. I see Super Mario. I see the tall guys. Not that many. Not that many? Yeah. Popeye, Mario.
    87:52
    Maybe. I would say 8 to 10, yeah, sure. But those Nintendo cabs, I had a Popeye for a long time. Not a long time. I got sick of that game. He stole it from me. How the hell did you play a lot of that Popeye? Did you have a Popeye right there? Because he has everything else. That's the thing. Yeah, that's it. You know, that's... Popeye's a cool game. It's kind of like how you want to get rid of Oktoberfest. If you had 10 games, you would never get rid of Oktoberfest. No, I still don't want to get rid of it. No, no, I get what you're saying. Yeah, because I found that out early on, and I'm the same way now. If you only had Donkey Kong. Oh, yeah. You're like, fuck this game. Fuck this game. It sucks. Games controls suck. Yeah, I'm out of here. Popeye controls a lot better than Donkey Kong. Because even though I still rotate my stuff, I don't do it as quickly now because I have more games, and it's like, you know, I'll switch it up. But, yeah, when you only have a couple, you just play them. Was there a more dramatic change from Donkey Kong to Donkey Kong Jr.? How dramatic of a sequel. Yeah, the gameplay. Yeah. Crazy, right? Yeah, because they're like two different games. Totally different games. Yeah, the way they play, the way the graphics. And then even Donkey Kong 3 was different, too, because it was kind of like, it was almost like a shooter. Yeah, you got the vines and the shit. Yeah, yeah. Very cool, though. So I see he's got a red tent there, too. Red tents were really, really, really hot, because you can play regular Nintendo games on the red tents, right? I don't know. I'm pretty sure. It's like, they're like an arcade version of the Nintendo NES. Like a Nintendo cartridge? You can just... Well, it's kind of like the Neo Geo setup. But it's a cartridge. Scoots, help us out with the Red 10, buddy. Oh, there. That game. Ice cold beer. That has special meaning for Ian and I because we've talked about this before. There's a bar that's had one. It still has it there.
    89:35
    Blackbird. Yeah. It's been there for what? Years. It's been broken a lot. Yeah. And they keep wondering if they ever want to sell it. I know. It's a local company that rents them and maintains them. But anyways, Ice Cold Beer is a fantastic, fun analog game. I had Billy Mitchell's Donkey Kong. He played on the Kong Off 1. Oh, cool, Scoots. That's cool. So, Scoots, tell us about that red tent a little bit. But, yeah, yeah. But, no, Ice Cold Beer is one of those games where Ice Cold Beer is fun but challenging. I don't know if there's any kind of replayability to it, but I would love an Ice Cold Beer down here because it fits my theme so perfectly. It fits your theme and it doesn't take up a lot of space. No, it's beautiful. Because that's the best part. You could put it in a corner, and it's a good piece. There it is. I love the sound, and I love the artwork. What is the... Okay, so the Red Tent, it plays the first Nintendo game. Yeah, that's right. Yep, yep. The Ice Cold Beer, what is the other sister version of that? Yeah, that's the Zeke's Peak. Yeah, yeah.
    90:41
    No, that's not... Scoots, do you still have the... Shit. Ice Cold Beer? Or did you sell that one? They're stupid expensive for the game, though. Yeah. They're like, what, $2,800, right? I think. Yeah. They're the price of a decent pinball machine. You know, would you rather have Lethal Weapon 3 or... Touche. ...as cold beer? You want Lethal Weapon 3 all day long. And that's the same argument with Tron or Tapper or whatever. I mean, you start... Dave. Dave Brennan's here. Hey, Dave. How you doing?
    91:13
    Yes. You need to come over for beers. Definitely, dude. We would love to have you on, man. And Dave, in Drew's style? You need to help me with my meteor.
    91:22
    I'm ready to throw that thing off a cliff. And my razor wall. I need to sell it. Dave, I had it working, and then I did Drew shit, and now it's not working. Dave, have you ever had an ice cold beer in your collection, just out of curiosity or any want?
    91:42
    So, fuck you, Tim Lee. Hi, Dave. No worries. I just woke up as well. Tim Lee. You jerk. I sold it for $2,800. All right. You got some good ice cold beer. Yeah. Didn't I say $2,800? Yeah, that's just the going rate for him. I mean, every time I see him, someone's got like $2,500 to $2,900. Dave Brennan said he's here for you, man. Dave, I love you. Dave, it sounds like you've been drinking beer. You don't join us unless you're a little tanked. That's all right.
    92:11
    Dave, you missed it earlier. I'm giving out handies, so it's okay. Tell me what that means. Let's talk about some of this pinball. So we talked about it a little bit. So I love the Iron Maiden. I love the Dialed In. I love the Star Trek. Do you love the Dialed In? Yeah, I love how Dialed In shoots. I don't know. I don't understand that game. Oh, okay. It's a beautiful game. Yeah, no, no. It's a great game. I still want it to be like Lego. Like, I wish it was recently. Or even SimCity 2000. Something. Yeah. It's kind of like a SimCity. It is. No, no, no. That was always, everyone always said that. Like, if that was SimCity, it would have, you know, sold that much better. Just the nostalgia part of that. What? What are you reading? Chris Chandler. Oh, that should be the Four Man Spinball Podcast Awards. The handies.
    92:56
    Awanka. Yeah, Awanka's a good one to have, too. What do you like better, Awanka or Dialed In? Yeah, Scoots. Awanka or Dialed In. Because that's a tough one for me. I think, you know, I've always wanted Dialed In. I wanted Awanka for a while. I think I'd go Dialed In. Killer lineup, though. It is. It really is. I had a punch-out restored there, Scoots. I got some good money for my punch-out.
    93:19
    Or re-theme it to anything else. Yeah. Yeah, it could be pretty much anything. That's true. Well, there were rumors for a while that that was going to be Toy Story, and they were just going to take the hell in and make it Toy Story. I didn't think that was the truth. People said that for a while. Oh, they said Toy Story is going to be re-themed. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, you just re-theme it to Toy Story, which, you know, I could see that. I saw your Star Wars Trilogy stream, Dave. It was awesome, dude. You did good work. I like it that you're streaming on Facebook. It's pretty badass. We love Facebook. Yeah, they didn't like us. Oh, man. I look at Scoots Collection and I go, man, what am I doing with my life? I should open up a bakery. Mm-hmm. Some pizzas and stuff. Call it Scoots Bakery. All right. Well, what we're going to do right now, guys, is we're going to do a little bit of paid advertisement. And then we're going to go into a cocktail break. Let us re-roop here. Re-ice. We're doing good, guys. This bottle was 100% full when we started. I can see that. And then we're going to get into some more dad jokes. And we'll see you in a little bit, okay?
    94:37
    We got new eyes, guys. We got new eyes. So, Rachel, good night. Good night. We're going to wrap it up, too, but we're going to do a few things. We love you, Rachel. We're going to do a few things here, right? We're going to rattle off some dad jokes. Mm-hmm. and then from there we're going to take our sponsors and give Tony Scoots another round of applause.
    95:13
    I'm going to read off Chris Chandler's here, so it's pretty good. A survey revealed six out of seven dwarfs aren't happy.
    95:22
    That's pretty good. Yes, I dig that. What is your best answer? Oh, we have one more thing. What's that? Thank you, Glenn, for reminding me, dude. We have a genius segment. Oh, how did we miss that? Sorry, Glenn. Glenn, I'm so sorry. We didn't do the genius segment. We fuck ass. So here's the problem, Glenn. Drew's notes were incomplete, and I was trying to fill them up. And we got into it. So we love you. All right. So let's do the genius segment. It's the best segment in pinball right now. It is the best. It's my favorite segment in pinball. No, it's great. And people have been lashing onto it. Yes. Well, John Borg reacted to his. Yes. I mean, I love it so much, and it's one of my favorite things, and I love it more than Love Letters. So here we go. Let's do, I think it's Real Podcast with Genius still.
    96:17
    Poor Man's Tribe presents Real Skills of Genius. Today we salute you, Mr. TPS. Big Manny's Pinball Empire! In the mood for a singing podcaster who lives to annoy the hell out of his co-hosts? Turn on the pinball show and Dennis is trending up and Zach's singing is trending down. Dennis Papp's Copyright Infringement! You want video? Swing it over to straight down the middle so Zach can show you how handsome he looks giving that new inbox and in stock. Game of Solid B+. Who grabbed bonus? Way better looking. And there's a lot of controversy that could split the pinball community like Moses parted the Red Sea. His award shows the humble brain to show he's in the industry. So grab your bottle of Captain Morgan, curator of the content, and wave the glass to the pinball community. Because even though your network confuses us, you make pinball a better place. Grudenbottom, Black Label, Pinball.
    97:19
    Ben and Tim. Holy shit, guys. That was good, guys. Yeah, that B-plus thing just made me chuckle over and over. Give it a solid B-plus.
    97:33
    You guys, that was really good. What was his lowest grade? I think one time he gave something like a C-plus or a B-minus. Well, he originally gave Batman 66 like a D-minus, but then they redid it because the code got bad. That's right. And then it's the B-plus again. Yeah, exactly. Well, Lyman's been working on his code. Now I give it a B-plus. That's freaking good You guys, every week you don't disappoint That is awesome Glenn, Tim, thanks guys Let's give you some cheese slices, Glenn, baby Oh, Glenn Tim Lee, we'll give you It's all these balls bouncing around Yep, you got it, baby God, I love this Alright, so, anyway dad jokes? Should we wrap up dad jokes? Yeah, let's wrap it up. Throw another dad joke. A couple more dad jokes, and then we'll get out of here, guys. And, yes, just a reminder, if you guys have not voted for Dave Brennan on the Twippies, I voted for him. He is our Rookie of the Year. He's our tribe member, and, of course, we voted for him. He's one of our bests. Zach heard it. He was in chat. Zach, we love you, buddy.
    98:49
    Zach. Yep, that was so you. Did we get a thumbs up from Zach? Do we know? All right. Did we get a B plus, Zach? Zach.
    99:01
    Hey, Zach. Zach, tell me on A minus material. If Queen Elizabeth. Nope, that was Tony Scoots again.
    99:18
    If Queen Elizabeth farts during dinner, All the other guests are supposed to pretend as if nothing happened. Noble gases have no reaction. Oh, that's science. Huh? That was a science joke for all you science nerds out there. I thought that was pretty good. Did you tell your wife that one? Oh, yeah. She likes that one. All right, good.
    99:36
    Do you have another one? Yep. Did you hear about the giant he threw up? No. It's all over town. How does a hamburger introduce his wife?
    99:46
    Hold on. I don't know. Meet Patty. Oh, Jesus. Oh, thank you for all the bits, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. Oh, what was that? Oh, flipping out pinball? 1,000 bits? I think you're going to break the Internet, Zach. Thank you, sir. Hey, Zach, did we do that? Wait, wait, wait. Is that Zach or Nicole? I bet you that's Nicole. She probably stays up and watches. Only Nicole. Only Nicole would be that generous. And right now, Nicole's like, fuck you, Zach. Like, I've got to watch four kids while you're sitting there jerking off to these fucking poor men again. Well, she's probably sitting there doing this while watching the four kids and Zach's unboxing another game. Yeah, something like that. Giving it a B+. When does a sandwich cook? I don't know. When it's bacon, lettuce, tomato. Oh, my God. This is getting weird. When did we switch? When you have the crinkler if you want? Like, mine are all gold. Somewhere along the line we swapped. So my dad had another joke. You want to hear another one? Sure. I won't tell the racist one, but I'll tell the other one.
    100:53
    So there was – Sorry. No, guys, sorry. I don't want to interrupt, but I'm going to for a second here. We talked about having the wives on. Having George on the podcast for like – we got to get him like a six-pack of beer. Twelve-pack. I'm being generous. Yes. We'll get him a 12-er of beer and then just let him loose. On a fucking Friday. My wife was like, you know. That would be epic for everybody. My wife said, I've seen your dad drink 12 beers, and I don't think I've ever seen your dad piss once. She's seen him drink 12 beers multiple times. I've witnessed it. It's a true story. Well, we were at, I went out with him Saturday. We day drank a little bit, and he drank. We were at the Mexican restaurant, and it's the only time I've ever been to a Mexican restaurant where my, anybody I was with drank seven beers while we were sitting there eating dinner. The man's a stud. All right, so he told me this joke. So, oh, God, it's kind of a long one. But bear with me, dude. So there's a king and a queen, and they're going to marry off their princess, right? And, sorry, I'm opening out a pinball. It sounds like George needs to meet Greg's mom.
    102:06
    For you guys who don't know, straight down the middle, there's just a lot of, Zach, you make a lot of jokes about Greg's mom. It was great. So anyway, so there is, so king and queen want to marry off their daughter. They have this big party. They have all these princes from all over the lands come by, and they're going to have this huge party, and they decide, you know, just for safety's sake, they're going to put a, you know, a chastity belt on the princess and put a little booby trap in there where if they were to put their things anywhere near that, a little mouse clamp would pinch the little penises. So anyway, the party goes on without a hitch. The nighttime comes. Whatever happens, happens. The king and queen wake up. The king and queen wake up, you know, and they have this big entrance with all the princes. And the king goes through each one and says, you know, he notices that out of the eight princes, seven of them are kind of holding themselves a bit, I should say. And he asks a couple of the princes, you know, how are you doing? And, oh, I'm fine. I'm doing okay. And then he goes to another one. And how are you doing? Oh, I'm okay. But there's this guy at the end, you know, the eighth prince, standing tall. He's looking strong.
    103:27
    And the king's like, I think this guy might be the one. He's not seeming to be, he's not bald over crying. So he's like, sir, prince number eight from whatever kingdom, you know, you have earned my daughter's hand in marriage. And he goes, hook you very much.
    103:52
    That's all I got, kids. We keep it crafty here. Heck yeah, Beth. The Prime Man's Pinball Podcast. His tongue got hurt.
    104:02
    Yep, I get it. That was a solid B-plus joke. Thank you. I want to thank all of our sponsors, Flippin' Out, Pinball, Pin Stadium Lights, Pinshades, pinballprices.com. What did I miss? Zen Studios.
    104:20
    I also want to remind you guys, go to silverballswag.com. Buy our stuff. That limited edition podcast shirt has been picking up a lot of steam. It's ridiculous. Don't buy that thing. It is available until the 31st. Yes, we're going to tell you not to buy it, and then it's going to make you want it even more. So don't buy it. Stop. Don't buy it. Don't take a picture of it on a pinball machine. That is not the hip thing to do. We will be running a promotion if you put it on a pinball machine and take a picture.
    104:53
    You'll be eligible for something somewhere down the line. Oh, my gosh. Ridiculous. We appreciate it. That shirt is just too much. I keep getting pictures from media members now. Oh, it's awesome. It is awesome. Did I tell you today's picture was Jack Danger? Oh, I didn't see that one. Yeah, he sent it to me. That's nice. So Jack Danger has a POSCAS shirt? He thought it was so funny, yes. And I was like, well, you know, I could get you any other shirt you want. And he goes, I like how this one doesn't make any sense. I was like, oh, you prick. Okay. So thank you to everyone in chat.
    105:29
    Thanks, Jack Danger. All the tribe members, everyone who helps make this show a success. Thank you to our producers. Thank you to our media managers.
    105:39
    Thank you to our bit recorders, the Glenn Wechters of the world, Tim Lee, Martin, all those great people, the men and women that help make this possible. Thank you for all the bits. Zach, really generous. Seriously, flipping out pinball. Way to go. Thank you. We played his new commercial, nice version five. I was like, shit. It gets better and better, buddy. So thank you very much for being our sponsor. We love you. If you give me 100 times more bits, I can buy another machine. It's all going to come right back at you, buddy.
    106:10
    It's business. I like how money to make money, right? I like how Drew gets all the bits. That's great. Thank you, Drew. But no, thank you very much, all of our sponsors. Yes, thank you guys. And thank you guys for buying our stupid shit.
    106:22
    Don't forget, there are correctly spelled stuff at the store, too. Silverballstrike.com. And applause to Tony Scoots. Tony Scoots, our newest tribe member. Welcome, Tony.
    106:34
    You are number 38, Tony Scoots. You're going to want to get in touch with Martin. You can get yourself your limited edition coin. Ooh, drinking coin. Yep, Martin, tribe member number two, listener number 15. And this is the last time I'm going to tease it because next week we are going to talk about it. We have a big news, big news. Huge. Monstrous. This is where we get serious for a moment. This is going to be something serious. We are, like I said last week, this is going to be a real big thing for Drew and I. What time are we dropping that on Friday? I think it's going to be right away in the morning. Okay, so Friday morning, open up your browsers. Yep, we will have it. Open up your browsers. When you wake up, it will be there. We'll probably post it on all the forums, too. So it will be a big announcement.
    107:25
    And Drew and I are very excited. We worked very hard on this. and we just hope that it doesn't get shitted on too bad. But I think it's going to be a really awesome thing. I think, as with most things, there will be some negative reactions. Yeah, shitters, if you will. But I think, overwhelmingly, the community will really latch on to this endeavor. Our idea. So this Friday, we're going to have the big announcement this Friday. So good luck, everybody. I hope you guys can watch it, listen to it, and enjoy our announcement, and hopefully we can talk a little bit more in detail next Monday. So, yeah, Monday we're just going to be a show about it, so we're going to have to answer a lot of questions. Yep.
    108:09
    We'll kind of explain in more detail what's going on, and Monday's show should be a good one. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And we've thrown this past a few people already in the industry, and they seem to be on board. They like it. They told us this is the single greatest thing. that's ever happened next to pop bumpers. Better than flippers.
    108:33
    Alright. We're going. We love you. Alright, guys. We'll see you on Friday. Yeah, Friday. This isn't going to be live. It'll be pre-recorded on the podcast. Friday. Better preface that. Yep. Love you guys. Thank you. Peace out. I wonder what the guy in the pool Reading the, she's not taking hergies, it's all inside her bundle I want to know what's inside her bundle What's inside her bundle, I own my book I want to know what's inside her bundle What's inside her bundle, I own my book What's inside a buckle? I always want to know. I wonder what's inside the buckle.
    109:30
    I'm sitting here and I'm not taking care until we get old. What's inside a buckle? I wonder what's inside the buckle.
    109:53
    I always wanted to know what's inside a book. The views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors.
    110:12
    Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.