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Episode 28: Black Russians, Top 5 Madness, and More Elvira thoughts!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Oct 3, 2019
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TL;DR

Hosts discuss pinball pricing crisis and impressions of Elvira's House of Horrors and Jurassic Park games.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode 28 features hosts Drew and Scott Ian discussing personal pinball acquisitions, reactions to Elvira's House of Horrors Premium Edition pricing ($7,500-$15,000), and gameplay impressions of Jurassic Park Limited Edition. The hosts grapple with escalating new machine costs, with Drew announcing he's stepping back from new-in-box purchases due to pricing, while reflecting on value in vintage and mid-priced machines like Dracula ($3,000) and LaserCue ($1,500) that see regular play.

Key Claims

  • Elvira's House of Horrors Premium Edition MSRP is $7,999 (dealer cost ~$7,500), Limited Edition ~$10,000 ($9,500 dealer), Signature Edition (50 units, sold out) $15,000

    high confidence · Drew states exact pricing structure during game discussion segment

  • Ryan Kuiper left his brother's wedding to purchase a Magic Castle machine that Drew was second in line for at $1,400

    high confidence · Drew describes the incident with specific details about Kuiper driving at high speed from the wedding location

  • Drew is priced out of new-in-box pinball games and will focus on location play or cheaper vintage machines instead

    high confidence · Drew explicitly states 'I'm out' regarding new purchases and describes this as a turning point after previously buying Metallica Premium and Iron Maiden

  • Jurassic Park Limited Edition costs approximately $8,900-$9,000

    medium confidence · Drew references this price point when comparing to Elvira's Limited Edition pricing

  • Drew plays his cheapest machines (Dracula at $3,000 and LaserCue at $1,500) daily or multiple times per week, more than his expensive games

    high confidence · Drew provides detailed gameplay frequency breakdown: plays Dracula daily, Alice Cooper every other day, Simpsons once weekly

Notable Quotes

  • “The sloppiest show on the internet. Woo! And everyone's seventh favorite podcast.”

    Drew (Poor Man's Pinball Podcast host) @ Opening — Establishes the podcast's self-aware, informal tone and positioning as an independent, unsponsored show

  • “For $15,000, I want George Gomez in the machine giving me handies through the coin door.”

    Drew @ Elvira pricing discussion — Comedic expression of frustration with Signature Edition pricing; references legendary designer George Gomez

  • “I'm out. Yeah, this is me washing my hands of new in the box games... I'm out.”

    Drew @ Pricing/value discussion — Major sentiment shift from collector who previously bought multiple new games; signals market concern about pricing sustainability

  • “He literally drove from several hours away the day they left his brother's wedding... I was driving like a bat out of hell, right, to get down there.”

    Drew (recounting Kuiper's text) @ Machine acquisition story — Humorous but revealing story about collector urgency and FOMO dynamics in the pinball market

  • “You can buy two really great pins for that. You can buy three pretty good pins for that. You can buy four good pins for that... You can buy four Gottliebs for that, maybe five or six.”

    Drew @ Value comparison — Demonstrates the value proposition of pursuing vintage/used machines versus new premium editions

  • “I started with my $2,200 Last Action Hero and now all of a sudden I have pins showing up at my house that, yeah, $7,500. I'm like, what? What happened?”

    Drew @ Reflection on price escalation — Illustrates personal journey from entry-level to premium purchases and the psychological/financial impact of market inflation

  • “I'm not a doctor. Who can just drop this kind of money?”

    Drew @ Pricing accessibility discussion — Points to accessibility/class barriers created by escalating new machine prices

Entities

Poor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationDrewpersonScott IanpersonZach SharpepersonKen CromwellpersonBill WebbpersonSteve BeattypersonRyan Kuiper (TurboGrafx-7)person

Signals

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    market_signal: Significant pricing escalation in premium pinball machines ($7,500-$15,000 for Elvira vs. $8,900 for Jurassic Park) creating affordability crisis for collectors

    high · Drew explicitly states he is 'out' of new-in-box purchases and describes pricing as unsustainable; references moving from $2,500 entry-level to $7,500+ machines in 2-3 years

  • ?

    collector_signal: FOMO-driven acquisition behavior evidenced by Ryan Kuiper leaving brother's wedding to purchase Magic Castle machine ahead of other buyers

    high · Drew describes Kuiper driving 90+ mph from wedding, dropping off family, to secure $1,400 machine before other interested parties could acquire it

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Major sentiment shift in collector community regarding new machine purchases; hosts moving from impulse-buying to deliberate, value-focused acquisition strategy

    high · Drew: 'I'm out' on new-in-box games; now seeking cheaper vintage machines ($1,500-$3,000) which see more play than expensive recent purchases

  • ?

    product_concern: Elvira's House of Horrors Premium/Limited editions perceived as overpriced relative to comparable Stern releases (Jurassic Park LE ~$8,900 vs Elvira LE ~$9,500)

    medium · Community reaction noted as negative on pricing; Drew's own analysis shows $800-$1,000+ premium over comparable Stern Limited Edition machines

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Jurassic Park Limited Edition T-Rex animatronic praised as meaningful feature integration; raptor pit and spinning helicopter features viewed as non-essential additions

Transcript

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0:00
You keep tuning in, we're not sure why, so we'll keep doing it. It's the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast with Drew and Ian.
0:30
Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode 28. 28? 28, the sloppiest show on the internet. Woo! And everyone's seventh favorite podcast. It's happening. And the only pinball podcast that answers to no one. Yep, that means we have no sponsors, guys. We can do what we want, and we don't have to censor ourselves for anybody. We love you out there in podcast land. How's everyone doing today? Living the dream, sir. How are you? All right. I'm doing good, man. I'm doing real good. How are you doing? The same. All right. It's a good week. Perfect. Another good week, I should say. Excellent. What are you drinking, man? I am drinking a little coconut rum and Coca-Cola. Ooh. Do we have to censor that out, or are they going to sue us now? They're a sponsor now.
1:32
Coca-Cola, are you listening? Is that how that works? Yep. Well, Michael Williams sent us another email regarding something else, another suggestion we should drink, and that would be a black Russian. So I said, what the hell? I haven't had a black Russian since my after high school years, question mark?
1:52
I was going to say high school, and I was like, wait a second. It's been, I don't think I was 21 in high school. Explain to the ladies and gentlemen what a black Russian is. Oh, black Russian. It's not a racist term. I don't think so. Ounce and a half of vodka. That's where you get the Russian. From any drink that's Russian or any kind of reference to Russia, it's always vodka. So Moscow Mule. Oh, yeah. Vodka. Black Russian. Ounce and a half of vodka and three quarter ounces of Kahlua or your coffee rum liqueur. Mix that together. Ice. You're good to go. Ready to go. maybe a little twist of lemon, something real fancy like that. I don't have any lemon, so going old school. I just had a thought. Every week we should put our drinks on our Facebook page and then maybe a little recipe. Yeah, I was thinking once we get to that point, maybe we should record ourselves at the bar making drinks because people will need to see that. I think the masses want to see that. Email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com if you want to see us drinking. You hear us drinking all the time. Do you want to see us drinking? Do you want to see this?

“Dracula cost me $3,000, and LaserCue cost me $1,500. So that's $4,500 and I'm getting a ton of value out of it... The values are out there, the bargains are out there, go look for them.”

Drew @ Value recommendation — Provides concrete alternative strategy to avoid premium pricing while maximizing gameplay value

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Iron Maidengame
Monster Bashgame
Last Action Herogame

high · Drew: 'T-Rex mech... is not a novelty. I think it's really good integration. The raptor pit... I could take or leave. The spinning helicopter... didn't really do it for me.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast growing audience engagement and recognition within pinball community, with industry figures and casual players expressing support

    medium · Drew reports recognition from Matt Scott (industry figure) and multiple chat participants in Flipping Out stream; listeners suggesting collaboration (drink-off challenge)

  • ?

    content_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast planning expansion to YouTube/Twitch video content beyond audio podcast format

    medium · Hosts mention 'big plans' for filming, discussing possibility of Twitch/YouTube streams showing behind-the-scenes and drink-making content

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern Pinball's Signature Edition (50-unit limited run) strategy successfully triggers scarcity-based sales, selling out despite $15,000 price point

    high · Drew notes that 50-unit limit guaranteed sellout and suggests artificial scarcity (announcing under 100 units) reliably drives FOMO purchases

  • ?

    venue_signal: Local establishments rotating out Willy Wonka LE machines and replacing with Jurassic Park LE, indicating strong market placement of recent Stern releases

    medium · Drew reports local bar replaced Willy Wonka with Jurassic Park LE, enabling paid location play at $2 per game

  • ?

    operational_signal: Collector preferences shifting toward vintage/used machines with lower acquisition costs showing higher daily play rates than expensive new purchases

    high · Drew's analysis: plays $3,000 Dracula daily, $1,500 LaserCue regularly; plays $7,500+ Metallica/recent purchases infrequently

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Pinball machines at locations now pricing at $2 per play for premium Stern LEs; note that machine does not accept $10 bills, limiting payment flexibility

    medium · Drew reports Jurassic Park LE location charging $2/play, machine only accepts up to $5 bills

  • ?

    industry_signal: Potential pricing sustainability concerns emerging in collector community; hosts and listeners questioning whether current premium pricing ($7,500-$15,000) can be maintained long-term

    medium · Drew: 'I don't know that it can sustain itself'; references hearing similar concerns from other collectors; notes secondary market will see price reductions as early adopters sell

    • 2:57
    We have seriously been toying with the idea Of doing some sort of YouTube, Twitch, some different Filming type stuff So stay tuned for that And who knows where it's going to take us But we're getting some stuff down Yeah, we got plans We got big plans We're not stepping away, we're stepping up Don't let our personalities fool you We can get some stuff done sometimes We're pretty cool We surprise some people sometimes. What can I say? We did get married. So, you know, women. Not to each other. If you ask our wives, they might tell you a different story. What am I talking about? I don't even know anymore. All right. Well, cheers, Drew. Cheers, man. I'm glad to be here today. You know, I'm feeling good. I really am. Feeling great. Good. Because it's a good day to talk some pinball. It is. We got a lot. What do we got, Drew? You know, I say that every week and we really don't have a lot. But we got a lot today. It's a ton. It's so much. There's so much. In today's episode. Yeah, there's so much. You ready for the list? Yeah, you go for it, man. Sure. I don't have the list in front of me. Today's episode, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, Personal Pinball News. Ooh. Yeah, we got some more of that. We're going to discuss some of the reactions to Elvira's House of Horrors. Not the whores. Whores.
    4:19
    Not whores, but horrors. Again, Ellie lined up. Oh, wait. Horrors? Never mind. Once again, no censors. Doesn't matter. Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about it because obviously we've seen a stream now. We've seen some gameplay. So we're going to discuss that. And we have another top five. Big surprise. We've been doing top fives for, what, five weeks? Yeah, you know what? Top five, top fives? This is my top five list that I came up with this week. So it won't be dumb. So I can't bitch about this one. That's all I was going with. I think it's stupid, Ian. Ah, come on. I'm actually really excited about this one. Yeah. Like, this morning we were talking and Ian goes, maybe we should try this. And I was like, ooh. No, I'm really pumped about this top five. I hope you guys are too. They don't even know what it's about, but they will be. You guys are going to be psyched, I'm sure. I think. We think. Hey, it's going to be a fun topic. Yeah, for sure. I doubt it.
    5:17
    And then we'll close it out with Mailbag and Listener Love. Not love letters, just some listener love. That's all. Nice. All right. Poor man. Pinball podcast. Personal pinball news. What do you got, Drew? This isn't about me ever.
    5:33
    Well, that's because you don't even have a damn pinball machine. Why are you going to hate on me? I'm not hating on you. You just called it out like that. I'm like Zach. I'm just stating the facts, man. Yeah, well. Just stating the facts.
    5:45
    Go ahead. Continue, sir, to the Drew. Market trends. No, just kidding. bye bye bye uh drew watches another stream well what happened so well we're gonna bring this up oh yeah but i'm i'm gonna talk about it carefully oh i gave it a lot of thought and i'm not gonna share all the details and i'll get into that in just a second so here's what happened so uh a couple fridays ago in our last podcast i told you guys about how i went and watched the flipping out stream and had some fun with those guys when they were streaming jurassic park right zach right now was going oh so yep hang on zach i'll be gentle how do you say i'll be gentle zach yeah just just relax sit down on the couch yeah take a breath yeah just just count to three okay so here's what happened come with me so and you'll see oh sorry go ahead after that stream i messaged uh zach and Bill and Ken from Special Wind Lit. And I just said, you know, I said, hey, guys, had a good time, you know, on the stream and talk to him a little bit and just, you know, tell them how great the stream was and, you know, and they relayed some stuff back. And then so we had this thread going on on Facebook Messenger. And then Thursday, I'm lying in bed and I'm just watching some TV and I'm flipping through Facebook and I get a message from Zach that said, hey, Steve Beattie and Ken Cromwell are doing a stream right now and i'm like oh shit it's it's thursday and it was just i don't know it was like 10 10 30 whatever so impromptu yep impromptu stream so i said well i'm like i'll go check it out just like last time so i open up the stream they're having some fun they're having a few drinks okay so um the the part about the stream that i can share with you and the reason I can't share all of it is because it was deleted. No real reason. I mean, it wasn't an official, I mean, it was flipping out pinball stream, but it was impromptu. It wasn't planned.
    7:54
    You know, it was late night. They had a few drinks, nothing, nothing too crazy happened. But, but the reason I bring this up is because I just want to say like some of the people that were there, I pop in the stream and they realize who I am. Not that I'm a big deal or anything. you're a big deal to me drew well i appreciate that ian your wife might think you're okay and he's okay yeah but there was there was just so much love for the poor man's pinball podcast i know we're like the the cool kid in campus right now and i just wanted to uh say thank you to to some of the people are there i wish i would have wrote down your names but like i said the um it has been deleted so i can't go back and you know do any fact checking or whatever but um some of the people in chat, you know, some of them were the quote unquote industry people like Scott from Penn Stadium. And he said, you know, hey, Drew, how's it going? You know, this and that, which is cool. But some of them were just regular pinball people like me who just said, hey, we really like what you're doing at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. They suggested that we do a drink off with Ken and Bill.
    8:55
    Challenge accepted. And that's exactly what I typed in there. So I was like, that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's easy. And just a lot of really positive things. I'm 5'7", but I still think I could take Bill in a drinking contest. He's probably triple my size. He's a big dude. He is, but he drinks a lot of Fanta and not much else. Yep, and that's why I feel like I could get him. But any other contest, you're going to lose to Bill Webb. Oh, yeah, easily. Not only is he like a man's man, which I'm not, he's also got better pinball machines. He's got a pinball machine. he's got more than zero machines he's he's he's bill man he's bill fucking web he's mr burrito man mr burrito man can't fuck with him no love you bill um i'm gonna out drink you so it was just super fun with uh steve and ken and uh had a good time and like i said i won't i won't share all the sort of details but um i just want to thank you guys for the for the poor man's pinball podcast love thanks guys so yeah thanks thanks for those i'll try to get i'll try to get into some of those streams this week uh but if you haven't seen the streams uh they stream quite regularly and they're doing all these new games like they did jurassic park le um yeah they stream don't they stream monday nights though that's when we yeah i think you're right that's the problem yeah that's why we don't watch more of them womp womp but but they also did uh no that that second Jurassic Park LE, that was the Friday night from a couple weeks ago. They do cool stuff. I'll have to just get them to notify me on my phone. Thank you, Twitch. Yeah, there's a setting for it, I think. Yeah, I get notifications when Kuiper goes on. Yep, yep. TurboGrafx-7, he was just on the Slap Safe podcast. He was. Great podcast, by the way, if Jason Fowler's listening. Loved it. Ryan, you're a stud. You want to elaborate on that one? Dave, you're a stud. Well, no, they were just on as guests, him and Dave. Dave is kind of a local collector here If you do not know him Check out the Slap Save Podcast He has a pretty epic collection Of 50 games Lots of them solid state Kind of a serious guy Serious player in the pinball collecting world So Check out that podcast A lot of love for Wisconsin Pinball Check out that podcast Slap Save Pinball Podcast I think it was episode 43 Something like that Okay. But yeah. Yeah. And we'll have Ryan on again soon. Yep. Yeah. He said possibly next week. So we'll see how that goes.
    11:31
    Ryan, if you don't do it, I'm going to kill you. Are you listening? You're going to die. We love you, Ryan. All right. Next. That Jurassic Park alley segues into the next part of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Personal pinball news. Jurassic Park limited edition, Drew? Yes. Did you buy one, Drew? No. You fucker. We should just say yes. Poor Man's. Zach Mennie's blowing up my phone right now. You put somebody up his ass! He actually told this story recently. I think it was on the Twit Podcast where some guy was telling him how great Flippin' Out was, watching the streams. Oh, yeah. And then he bought a machine from across the country from some other distributor. Hey, I really like that stream last night you guys put on of Willy Wonka. So much so, I bought a game from another distributor. That was priceless.
    12:19
    Sorry, Zach. That made me chuckle. Yeah, it was. That was good. It was kind of funny. So today I was out and about, and one of the local establishments that had a Wonka, they got rid of Wonka, and they put a Jurassic Park limited edition in there, and I was like, holy crap. So I'm like, well, I got to see this dinosaur in action. Yeah. So $2 a play. Fuck me. Yeah, that, oh.
    12:46
    For sterns. I struggled. I struggled so mightily to put that money in the machine because I just saw the $2 yellow card. And the worst part was it didn't even say like $2 one play. It was just really big and bold. It said $2. And I was like, oh, man. So I put my $10 bill in there. It doesn't take $10 bills. I found that out. Isn't that weird? At $2 a play, you think it would. But anyway, so I put the $5 bill in there. and I love that game. Yeah, you were telling me. Before we started, you were gushing over it. Yep, I only played a couple games before that at the Garcade, and that was a pro.
    13:27
    So I'm like, you know, the T-Rex mech, I believe, is not a novelty. I think it's really good integration into that game. um the raptor pit yeah you know i i don't know that the raptor pit added a whole lot to my experience so so that part i could take or leave the spinning helicopter on the right certainly didn't add anything to my experience so all right when you're reading the matrix and if you're debating about the spinning blade versus the pro that just has a plastic on there the plastic's just fine yeah the little spinning helicopter just i don't know it just didn't really do it for me. But that being said, like I said, the T-Rex Mac, everything. I was telling Ian, because Ian's like, oh, really? And I'm like, this might be a buy for me. I'm going to wait to see what Stern puts out next. I'm being more patient than impulsive now, as of late, which I think is good. But if you strip away all the Jurassic Park stuff, the shots on there are just, it's such a great layout. And it's so fun to shoot. So Drew, I'm forbidding you from getting any new pinball machines. because I haven't come to your house recently to play the ones you have. I'm there every day playing. You're not allowed to get rid of anything yet until I get at least a good half a day playing some games. Yeah, I won't get rid of Alice Cooper or Simpsons. And you want to play Dracula too, I'm sure. Oh, yeah, and LaserCue. It's my number one sports game of all time. You mean everyone's number one sports game of all time? No, I think it was Ian Hauer on Facebook. Oh, yeah. Future Spa was the better one because there's a guy curling lasers. And I just argued that, yeah, true enough, it's probably that image alone is probably way cooler than anything that's on hard body. However. Oh, it's badass. Hard body generally has way more muscle mass in it. Therefore, I still say hard body. If you haven't seen Future Spa, picture Arnold Schwarzenegger with long hair, wearing sunglasses in his prime, curling a laser. They weren't even like normal sunglasses. They were like Cyclops from the X-Men. Yeah, the futuristic. Yeah. It's called Future Spa. What do you expect? I don't know, Drew. I have no idea, bro. What is a Future Spa? It's the spa of the future, bro. Is that like a hot tub? It's more than a hot tub now. The hot tub of the future? Instead of water, it's like... They made that movie. It's called Hot Tub Time Machine. It's Mars Mush. It's something else. I don't know. This is why everyone thinks we have the sloppiest podcast in the Internet. Because we go all over the place. We're all over the place. We start with Jurassic Park, L.E., and we end with Future Spa. Muddy Mars muck water and fucking whatever.
    16:25
    Oh, my God. Where else on the Internet are you going to go from Jurassic Park to Future Spa? Not very many places. only the sloppiest show on the internet so you were impressed I was impressed and like I said if Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the next cornerstone from Stern I'm going to have to see what that is because that's another dream theme of mine so for now the jury's out obviously these games are going to get cheaper because someone's going to buy a premium and they're going to want to sell it then sure sorry Zach but that's when I'm going to buy it I don't think I'm going to buy too many more new in box because there's just too much of a hit and if I'm rotating them out, then that's what's happening. So, yeah. Alright. So I see here on the list Drew had a machine stolen from him Oh Kuiper This is fucking crazy This is nuts Why don't you just tell the story? Small world. So, last week we talked about how a Zachariah game, Magic Castle, right? Yes. Was almost in Drew's possession.
    17:32
    $1,400. I was second in line. He was second in line. He was going to buy it for me so he could have it in the basement here so after we podcast so we can play some Magic Castle. Well, after we got off the air and posted this fucking thing, what do we get? We get a text from our good buddy, our good pal, Ryan Kuyper, TurboGrafx-7. Well, he's your good buddy. Now he's my arch nemesis. And he took a picture with him next to the Magic Castle. He did. That fucker. And he texted me, and he said, well, if you want to play it, you can come over to my house. You can come over and play it. Yeah, thanks, Kuyper. And that was before I knew what had happened. so at first i'm looking at this picture of magic castle that he sent me and i thought he just happened to oh our buddy dave yeah has one so i thought maybe dave had loaned it to him a little babysitting maybe that's what i thought yeah i saw it was in his basement first thing i asked is that dave's he's like no this is the one the one was gonna get drew was number two to me ryan kuiper so ryan kuiper literally stole a machine from me that's the story i'm going with literally I don't think he just beat you to it, pal. Ryan, I love you. He's fast. He is fast. He left his brother's wedding to go get it. That's fucking preposterous. He literally drove from several hours away the day they left his brother's wedding. And we know how much work he put into that wedding. Yes. Weeks and weeks of planning and helping out for his own brother's wedding. he leaves and he he and i quote the part one of the text messages was i was driving like a bat out of hell right to get down there because the guy kept kind of texting him saying hey are you going to be here by one i got people lined up waiting for this thing he's like hey i'm coming so he drives like 90 miles an hour drops off his wife and his kid and all their shit and then he gets back in the in the truck and he goes to get this thing kuiper spent four weeks making fucking centerpieces and just said, fuck this, I'm getting a pinball machine. Ryan, truly, no hard feelings. I love you, man, but, oh, man, that just sucks. It's such a beautiful machine. It's a cool game. It's fun to play. It was only $1,400.
    19:41
    I'm sad I missed out. I'm very disappointed, but I'm happy that it went to a good home. Yeah, we'll play it. We'll see it. Maybe he'll let us over. Yeah, maybe we can come over. All right, well, that's it. And then what are we doing? Elvira? some of the reactions coming in people are not happy with the price no they're not let's just get right into it let's get right into this fucking thing we all know the price it's $9,600 why don't you remind us the premium version the MSRP is $79.99 which means $7,500 the LE is almost $10,000 which means $9,500 I'm going to write this down And the signature edition, which they only made 50 of them, which are sold out, by the way, is $15,000.
    20:30
    Okay. I'm looking at the numbers here. So hang on. Why don't you crunch those numbers and get back to me? All right. I will do that. Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. Premium limited edition, separate edition. Okay. So I did the number crunching, and that fucker's expensive.
    20:46
    It's. for $15,000, I want George Gomez in the machine giving me handies through the coin door. Can we do that? I don't know. I love you, George, but for fuck's sake, man. 15 Gs. I know. Did you look at the Jack Danger stream? No, I haven't got a chance to see it. I did watch that. Can we back up a second, though? We can go back. Here's the thing. Let's get rid of the $15,000 one. Yeah, that's off the plate. Here's why. A, they're sold out. 50 of them. And B, there's only 50 of them, okay? Okay. Let me re-crunch these numbers. They're high. Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. This fucker's expensive. We're rewinding.
    21:32
    Here's my point. So if we get rid of the 15,000, because I said that was only 50 people, that was bound to sell out.
    21:39
    I'm beginning to think, yeah, you tell someone there's 10 or over 25 or 50 or less than 100, yeah, they're going to sell out. That's fine. but the um uh the le or the what do they call it yeah the limited edition signature edition yeah ten thousand dollars we're talking about the limited yeah which is roughly eight hundred to a thousand dollars more than their like say a jurassic park le right you can get for like 8900 bucks or whatever it is um i was getting caught up in the hype train you know i bought some of these new in box you know i stretched my budget to get you know metallica premium and you know i bought my first new in box was iron maiden you know which was a pro but i'm priced out i'm out yeah this is this is me washing my hands of new in box yeah because uh i like i said i got caught up in the hype i love fucking pinball i love it he does folks i i am in love with it but I'm out I just can't you know and that's why I even said with this Jurassic Park you know the old me from a couple years ago I would already have one of those fuckers in my house three months ago yeah let's be honest three months ago but I don't because now I'm more realistic about it he's aged considerably in three months yes I've matured three months he's matured do we have some maturing music nope I'm not doing that I know I always tell Ian like we gotta do this and like half the time he does he uh what's the word uh i incorporate shit that you ask yeah no yes to your request not encourage what's what's the word i'm looking i don't know what the fuck you're talking about uh half the time he indulges me indulges there you go but the other half he's like fuck i'm not doing this shit drew's always asking i'm like hey can you make uh unicorn noises and and uh do this uh you know thing and he throws it at me yeah i think i'm a fucking jukebox yeah yeah he's never done any of this stuff he's he's been learning as we've been going and i'm just like oh you can do that ian see i have faith in you i can do it i don't have time to do it i got a little kid at home anyways um no i'm i'm out oh yeah and and i think listening to other people now i'm starting to get we're getting to the breaking point of these new prices i i just i don't know that it can sustain itself i'm out um but i've been out for a while now um i sold my masa bash for a reason not because it's a bad game. It's a great game. But when you have a one-pin collection, I don't know how Kaneda does it, you get sick of it so fast. Oh, totally. So fast. That's why Iron Maiden's not in my house anymore. The problem with a one-pin collection, which is what I have, I have room for possibly two down here, not only does it get old fast, it's like, if it gets old and you walk by a $7,500 piece of equipment every day,
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    man, that hurts. Now it's great Now I'm getting yelled at by all my friends All my wife's friends were over recently We brought new people in that were enjoying pinball They came down here to the bar And they were pissed That I didn't have any pinball So I just said No fuck it You come once every couple months here To drink my booze You guys just have to understand That shit's expensive and I stopped playing it Yeah. I don't hate pinball. I love pinball. But location play is probably going to be more my forte or getting a couple cheaper ones, which is probably what I'm going to end up doing. Yeah, and I think that. And that's what I'll do. I'll probably get some Williams ones or whatever, but some System 11s maybe. But for right now, when I see these prices, I'm not a doctor. Who can just drop this kind of money? No, and I think, like I said. And the release schedule is so often. Oh, yeah. Like, realistically, there's no way I'd get another new in box. Now, I had the one. It was cool, but it didn't last as long as I would have liked. So, therefore, I'll step away from it. I'll probably get, you know, once removed, you know, a machine.
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    But it doesn't mean I'm not, you know, like I'm not into the new stuff. Because, like I said, man, I will scour Milwaukee for new pins to play. Here's the thing. You know, I've been thinking about this a lot, and the list is numerous. Okay, we said $10,000. You can buy two really great pins for that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You can buy three pretty good pins for that. Yep. You can buy four good pins for that. Yeah. You can buy four Gottliebs for that, maybe five or eight. Yeah. Yeah, if you're talking even a Stern premium, if you're talking $7,500, you could almost get two good Stern pros, like a Walking Dead and an Aerosmith, or something like that. Well, sometimes you've got to take three steps back and realize, okay, I got into this hobby spending $2,500 on a Black Rose. Yes. How the fuck did I go so wrong when I'm spending $8,000 on a Monster Bash? How did I get here? Yeah, what happened? I get blacked out and all of a sudden I'm like yelling at my wife, give me more money. I need to spend it. We make a lot of jokes on this show. That is not a joke. No. I think about that too. I started with my $2,200 Last Action Hero and now all of a sudden I have pins showing up at my house that, yeah, $7,500. I'm like, what? What happened?
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    Yeah, I don't know. two years ago we're sitting there debating if uh you know a four thousand dollar tapper arcade machine was worth it or not yeah we're like oh that's just ridiculous to that point we hadn't spent more than 500 bucks on an arcade machine so here we are no no and i just got out of hand yeah quickly quickly damn you pinball yeah we love it we love pinball so no i'm having a blast but uh but now that now that the smoke has cleared and reality sets in you know now you got to start looking at it and say, yeah, I have this much space and I have this much money. How do I want to get the most bang for my buck with what we're doing? Absolutely. That's where I'm at. We want to get some fun. Yes. We don't want to feel guilty if we're not playing it. Yes. And we want to enjoy it and have it retain some value. And you know what's interesting? They are my two newest pins, but they're not new-new because now they've been in my house and I've been playing them quite a bit. So LaserCue and Dracula are my two least expensive pins. Because next to them I have Simpsons and Alice Cooper, right? Yeah, right.
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    Every day I turn on the bank that is Dracula and LaserCue. I don't necessarily turn on the other bank. No shit. And I play Dracula literally every day. You like Dracula? Oh, I love it. Could you rate it for me? Out of all your machines? No, like Simpsons number five or four.
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    One, two, three, four. One being the best. Well, Alice Cooper would have to be the best. You still loving it? Yeah. So I'd say right now it's Alice Cooper, Dracula, Simpsons, LaserCue. Okay. All right. But like I said, every day I play Dracula and LaserCue, and every other day I play Alice Cooper. Nice. And only like once a week I play Simpsons. Yeah. It's just the way it is. Yeah. Cool, man. Very cool. So yeah. But that just goes to show you that Dracula cost me $3,000, and LaserCue cost me $1,500. so that's $4,500 and I'm getting a ton of value out of it and I got two great games so the values are out there the bargains are out there go look for them and I have this magic castle for $14,000 Ryan kisses love you Ryan right guy enough of the poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news Let's get off that soapbox. That's fine. I don't even know what we're talking about. We're talking about Elvira.
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    That's right. We finished Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, personal pinball news a while ago. So what we're saying is Elvira is too expensive, right? Oh, it's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. It's a lot. Okay, let's take price out of it. What do you think about what people are saying? Just the game in general, is it worth $5,000, $6,000? All right, so I looked at the stream. I didn't even talk about the stream. So the animations, I think, are really good. They tie a lot in. I'm going to get another drink. Let's pause it because I need a drink too. All right. People enjoy the music.
    30:31
    And then we're back. You know what, Drew, I found out? What? Here's the problem with black Russians. If they get too strong, how the fuck do you fix it? You can't add more vodka. That's racist. You can't add more Kahlua. Like, if it's too strong. What the hell are you supposed to add? More vodka? You're supposed to add cream to make it a white Russian. I'm pretty sure. But, yeah, I was like, wow, this thing is kicking in hard. All right. The dude agrees with you. He's a white Russian guy Yeah he is a white Russian So Elvira Back to Elvira That crazy bitch So I saw the stream I want to say a couple things One the animations are very very cool And then they get weird There were some things there What was the style of the animations It was very similar to Oh Trying to think the style was very reminiscent of a... Man, it's like... Is there a game, a recent Stern game, that it was more like?
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    Aerosmith was more cartoony. Iron Maiden was more like a video game. Deadpool was obviously the 8-bit. Yeah, if anything, it was going to be more like Iron Maiden. Kind of cartoony. That way, video game-y. But dark and spooky. Well, that was Iron Maiden. It was like a dark, spooky video game. Yeah, but I was trying to think of Alice Cooper Nightmare Castle without the comic book. That's what I was trying to say. Okay. Yeah, more of a cartoony, not a comic book-y. Okay, all right. But the, what do you hit, the pop bumpers? A bunch of life preservers pop up on the screen. I don't understand that. Does anyone know what that is? Why life preservers? Like, they're colorful. They look like Froot Loops. I don't get it. either it has to do with her but it was like cool when they introduced all the different movies and the different stuff like that that was very cool um and uh yeah she's in it awesome it's awesome with her in it I would have loved to seen her more um the other thing that really threw me off with the animations is these dead heads so when you activate a dead head and you gotta like you know get rid of the dead head well during that whole thing there's literally like this weird like the animation style doesn't fit with everything else it doesn't jive but it's a giant head that floats around well that was um scared stiff did that with the dead heads yeah but it's but the animation i'm just talking i don't care about the actual gameplay no no but that's what i'm talking about the animation is very it was an ode to that it's well i'm sure it is but the animation itself i'm just saying is extremely distracting like i was like what i don't get it And then more Life Preserver shot up. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Was she animated at all? No, she was all live, man. No, I know they did the live stuff, but there was no animated of Irelia. No, not that I know of. Not that I know of. Not that I saw. But, yeah, and the game shot, like, it shot pretty nice, but it looked, I'll say it didn't look like a real fun, exciting, look at what the ball does. It was like, oh, the ball hit this. Oh, the ball hit that. Oh, the ball went up a ramp. And it's gone. You know what I'm saying? Shots and layout alone, Jurassic Park or Elvira? Oh, Jurassic Park.
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    I'd also say this. Dennis Nordman, who designed the game, did mention that the ramps had all been changed a little bit. He didn't sound too thrilled about the review right in between the lines there, which I like to do, but it could just be his personality. but I thought, I thought he must've had something a much, much more elaborate planned as far as the ramps go. And that never came to fruition. So unfortunate you know we went it it it it I was looking at this and I was trying to look up like what the medieval madness castle did and then compare that to what Alice Cooper nightmare castle does Those two castles versus a haunted house. I get it. However, I don't see a lot of value in those shots. Does that make sense? You know what's interesting, too? you mentioned um alice cooper you know alice cooper doesn't have any like crazy awesome mechs or anything like that okay right but but i think frankenstein coming up is cool don't misunderstand yeah what i'm saying is the the way that whole game is laid out and designed and the story behind it and how it works and you know the the shots and the code and everything they do such a good job with it and I'm saying that's awesome and this Alvira game could be something similar if they can code it in the right way but I just don't know if that's going to happen I don't see it I just don't see it Medieval Menace, that castle is iconic I get it but take it away that wasn't a thing when we were in the arcades so don't worry about us guys this is a nostalgic thing we're talking about medieval madness is relatively in the grand scheme of things new to us yeah it makes sense very new because we're not we haven't been in the arcades you know in the 90s playing medieval madness we weren't no no they were in the last five years by us but anyway so i can honestly say going through this in my head i'm like when i first got to play medieval madness and i on location let alone um you know not on not on the app pinball arcade app but seeing the castle in person and seeing what that castle does and hitting the drawbridge and going down the moat the trolls popping up all that stuff that is pinball magic that blew me away that when when the castle breaks apart come on now who doesn't fucking like go that's fucking cool let's do that again no and it's interesting you say that because you've never been like a huge medieval madness fan but no but i cast i appreciate all the things that go on in that game and i i recognize that that is a badass game yes but when you look at elvira you don't get a lot of those holy shit moments you don't you i thought what was cool the coolest thing for me and now it's going to change for everybody but for me it was like each window lights up when you complete a mode and i thought that was pretty innovative so that was pretty cool you get to see what modes are going or whatever just by based on the windows lighting up you know and they like series they liken that to um adam's family yeah because the mansion's on the play field with the light sure and that's what they were saying because it's the same thing each one of those is a mode yeah but it's not a holy shit moment no it's a wow that's fucking cool but that wasn't a holy shit moment there were no holy shit moments put side put price aside even if they're selling this bastard for five grand i'd still hesitate because it really doesn't wow me. It doesn't grab me by the balls and say, dude, we gotta do that again. You know what I'm saying?
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    I don't know. That's kind of my take. When I watched the stream, I was like, oh. I mean, everything, and the problem is, everything looks pretty. Everything looks good. It's new. It's fresh. We've never seen it before.
    37:59
    But then again, we kind of have, and we've seen it done better. So, therefore, just walk away. I'm walking away. I'd love to still play it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'd love to.
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    Like I said, I'm a sucker for fan layouts. I'll shoot them all day long. And I would love to see more progression on the game and see how the code develops and all that good stuff. And, hey, man, if you have the other two Elvira games and you get the bank for this, you get the chatter, hey, man, go ahead and buy it. Complete the trilogy. But if you have the two games and you don't have the bank and you're worried about saving up your money, I'd hold off, man. I was like, those other two games are fun. I'd rather have... Well, and that was the thing. What would you rather have, Drew? Would you have the two originals or would you have the third one? Oh, without hesitation, the two originals. Yeah, exactly. The two originals are awesome. And I love new shiny stuff. Yeah, I know. But yes, if you offered me Scared Stiff and Alara and the Party Monsters, both in pretty good shape, versus a new premium or something, yeah, all day long. And that is kind of the value because a decent Scared Stiff might be $4,000 or $5,000. A Vire and a Party Monster is maybe $3,000 to $4,000. So you're in the $7,000 to $8,000, $9,000, depending on condition. Yep. So I think this is geared to a specific collector. I hope Stern sells all of them. I want Stern to succeed. Oh, absolutely. Just not for me. No, it's not. I think it's neat. Let's just move on. Yeah, move on. Let's move on. Let's do a top five list. Ooh, this is Ian's top five list, so it doesn't suck. I came up with a top five list. It's not because I came up with it.
    39:41
    You know what? I'm having so much fun. So here's what the top five list is. Top five, top five, top five. I was going to say cue the music.
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    All right, here we go. Top five. Here we go. Top five things we'd like to see in a potential Stern Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle pinball game. Turtle power. All right. Top five things we'd like to see in a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. Send us your top five list. Pinball game from Stern. Poor Man's Pinball. Potential. Potential at poormanspinball at gmail.com. All right. Here we go. Drew, you want to start us off? Number five? Number five. This one's real easy. Yeah. Pizza, multiball. I haven't fleshed this whole thing out yet I already have ideas this is what we've been waiting for this whole episode I'm already excited I was thinking about this list and I was like I don't have all the answers yet I have most of them pizza malty ball I don't know how you get into it I don't know what it entails maybe they could have different of the crazy toppings as inserts like marshmallows and you know they had all the crazy shit yeah so something like that you know just cool i would even one up you and say okay why don't you have all your multi balls are based on the pizza slices you collect throughout the game oh collecting pizza slices i like so there you go you get three slices you activate your multi ball you get a three ball multi ball you get six slices six ball i love it boom i love it stern are you listening are you listening you can code this in Oh, that is cool. Yes. Six slice pizza multi-ball. I love it, Drew. Awesome. Good start, man. Yeah. That was your number five? Yeah, that's my number five. This is going to get way better. My number five, you got to have a subway in there called the sewer shot, right? You need a sewer shot. Oh, my God. Are we best friends? Yeah. We need some sewer. This is my number five. It'll warm up to this, but there has to be a shot in there where you're shooting the ball in the sewer, right? It's got to be a subway shot. A little asterisk here. Ian and I did not share any of this with each other before we started this I've been thinking about this all week well I've been thinking about it all day you've been thinking about it all week but yeah it's got to have a subway slash sewer shop you want to know what my number four is? what's your number four? sewer system so I wrote sewer system, multiple subways and bucks you know I'm thinking there's going to be a couple of manhole covers yep oh if the manhole cover could like open up oh and then so maybe like two or three like a troll from the hobbit or something yeah yeah sure there'd be like two or three of them and they would all be in the same subway system maybe come into a scoop to pop out or you know something but i have maybe a buck that could shoot it up nice yeah i'm into it like how cool would that be to have you know that would be like an integral part of the game where it's like you know a certain mode you got to like get into the sewer to like get away from the foot clan or something i mean all right i like it yeah i like it it'd be cool too if you could use your flipper to select the sewer you want it to pop up on oh my god they light up the insert you know so you can control where you want your ball to be i was telling ian if this game if this game is as good as jurassic park is because i and I think Jurassic Park is fantastic.
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    I know I was just talking about not buying new in-box. Yeah. Is there a whole segment on that? But I would potentially sell something to just swap it out and get it. It would just be an even swap because, man, it would be so cool. It would be cool. All right. Super cool. My number four, the art style has to be centered around the 8-bit or the arcade 16-bit graphics. I want that kind of artwork. Are you looking at my list, Ian? No, is your list the same? But it's got to have that art style. Otherwise, I don't want them to go with the movie. I don't want them to go with this new anime style. I want the old school arcade artwork graphics. Boom. This is called Top 5. Ian and Drew have the same exact list. Cartoon or video game theming is my number three.
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    Perfect. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's rumored that Zombie Yeti is doing the next one. So Jeremy Packard is doing this one, and if he does, like we said, if he did a cool, badass Deadpool. Like Deadpool. Yeah, and just did the turtles on there. Boom. I mean, come on. Done. All right, done. Yeah, and we said the video game, which is kind of cartoony, the same style, so awesome. All right, number three for me. Anytime you drain a ball, I want to hear the turtles go shell-shocked. Shell-shocked. I didn't have that one. That is awesome. I need a shell-shocked in there. Yes. or when you nudge the machine too hard. Yeah, something like that. That would be another good one for that. Whoa, dude, shell shots.
    44:48
    I don't know. No, no, no, you're right. That would be the tilt. Yeah. That would definitely be the tilt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I could definitely see that. That just kind of writes itself.
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    You're number two. Number two? Yep. So, for those who don't know, the big rolling machine called the Technodrome. Yes. It was in the cartoon. That's where Crane and Shredder did their evil deeds. Yeah.
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    Technodrome center toy. Oh, okay. So, like, that would be, like, prominent, right, in the middle of the play field, right? Really? Okay. Yep. This is where we're going to diverge, I see. Yeah. But, you know, because it's, the thing looks cheesy as shit. I mean, let's be honest. It's like a ball with a big eyeball on top. It looks like a golf ball with an eyeball. Yeah, if you haven't seen it, Google it. It was one of the coolest toys when you were a kid because it was big. Yeah. You know, one of those big toys. That's all it took. Lots of plastic. Yep, exactly. So aesthetically, it looks kind of weird. It would look weird in a pinball machine because you only have so much height clearance. It would be small. It would be smaller, but they did the Death Star. That looks small too. It would be Death Star size probably. Okay. Maybe a little bigger. Okay. If they could sink it in the play field or something. But anyways, have that be like the center bash toy. All right. And it opens up. Maybe inside you have crane or something. You could do some cool stuff with that. I just thought if you're going to make a cool toy, it might be kind of neat. All right. So there you go. All right. My number two, it's got to be New York centric. I want to see skyscrapers a la Ghostbusters. Oh, man. Yes, in the backdrop. That's all I want in the whole backdrop. Lots of skyscrapers. I want to feel like I'm in New York. I want it to be, although 8-bit, but I still want it to have a little bit more of the grimy 8-bit, if that makes any sense. Yeah, it totally does. Like Streets of Rage for Sega Genesis. So I want lots of New York buildings. I want skyscrapers, and I want some depth for that play field. You know, speaking of that. My number two. Oh, that's awesome. the New York Skyscrapers ever since they released this new Ghostbusters code. I was just looking at used Ghostbusters.
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    Yeah, sure. That theme and that game just look so good. It's beautiful. It's just so awesome. All right. What's your number two? Number one. Or number one. Oh, number one. The number one thing I want to see in a Stern, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, cartoon or video game theme song. Oh, yeah. I said last week, when you plunge that ball, much like a la Ghostbusters, you plunge that ball, it starts playing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Because everyone knows it. Everyone sings it. Once again, that moment in Ghostbusters, every time it makes me smile. Yeah, absolutely. Every time I plunge that ball, it makes me smile. I love it. So you just do the exact same thing, and you have a hit. All right. Even if the game isn't spectacular, once again, it's going to do really good on route. It's just going to be that thing. All right, my number one. Ian's number one. Number one. Hold on, let me take a sip here. Number one thing Ian wants to see in a Stern Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the cast. This is what I need, okay? And this is what I definitely don't need, and I'm sorry, Drew. I need Raphael, Donatello, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Splinter, and then I just want the Shredder, and I want the foot. I don't want any of the Metrodome thing, whatever you were talking about. Technodrome. I don't want some brain interdimensional. So you said Shredder and the Foot Clan. I don't want interdimensional shit. Okay. I don't need. Let's flesh this out. I don't want any interdimensional anything. I think the story is far cooler that in New York we got a ninja master named Shredder decked up in spikes, and you have a legion of ninjas that want to kill you, and these ninjas are homegrown New York boys and girls, dressed up as ninjas, trained as ninjas. Okay, let me ask you this. They're not robots from an inner dimension. They're not in little corkscrew transports. Nothing like that. No drill transports. These are the real deal. Dirt of the street.
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    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the movie. I love the thought. Let me ask you this. Yes. Would you be okay then if they just rethemed Ghostbusters and they put Shredder on as Slimer in the middle? No. Shut up. Jerk. And then in the back. Oh, does the art look good? Yeah, it looks great. All right, maybe. Jerry Packer. Are they going to fix the flipper gap? They just said, nope. Oh. Yeah, they'll fix the flipper gap. All right, good. But they'll just have Shredder on the thing in the middle just going back and forth. I just want this to be about the Klan. I don't care if they kidnap April O'Neil. I don't care if it's a bullshit story. No, I'm with you, man. I think that would be fine. I had another idea, too, as far as my artwork. I forgot to write it down, but this is also something I thought of. But I want the back of the play field. I want a tribute to all of the turtles, meaning I want it to start off in black and white and have the turtles from the comics. and then it goes into the Turtles, like a mural. The Turtles of the cartoon and then the Turtles of the video games and then maybe the most recent Turtles. They wouldn't do that. They would never do that, but I think that would be a cool mural. Oh, that would be awesome. That's all I'd like. Maybe do that in a cabinet. The cast has to be legit, severe. Casey Jones is in there. Casey Jones is your wizard mode. Rocksteady and Bebop, aren't they? That, I'm on the fence. They would have to be like the minor villains. Yeah, if you did that. Kind of like Batman 66. If you did that, I would totally like that. Sure. Because they were not interdimensional. They were just a product of the ooze. Yes, and the same thing like Deadpool. You have a couple of mini bosses, and then you fight the big boss or something. Do you remember the toy line? I don't even know if it was in the cartoon, but didn't they have just bizarre? at the end they had all these like bizarre like the rabbit was a samurai when we were teenagers all these weird characters i don't want any of those characters so the toys started in 86 87 maybe something 88 whatever hold on go ahead i'd be okay with like the mauser robot and the scientist because i can still wrap my head around that just to let you know for minor bugs remember that one little robot dogs oh the robot yeah yeah yeah those are kind I'll accept that as a minor villain too You could fight some little That would be like a switch frenzy But your baddie is definitely Shredder Yes for sure It not Krang No no I agree I agree that Shredder would have to be in there I feel like if you put the Technodrome in there then you have to deal with Krang and I don care for that brain and that S guy Anyway, go ahead. But to Ian's point, yeah, so anyways, they started making these toys in the late 80s, and we were 7, 8, 9 years old, and it was very cool. And then I remember being like a teenager, and you would see these toys, And so this is like 10 years later. And yeah, they had them like surfing, and then they had them as like samurais, and then they had them as astronauts. Do you remember that one? Yeah, right. They had turtle astronauts and turtle like construction workers. Oh, yeah. And they were just at whatever level they needed to be. It was like a Barbie doll, and they just had, you know, every possible conceivable thing, and it just, yeah, it went off the rails. So same thing with Transformers. You know, they did the same thing. There's money grabs at that point. Oh, yeah. Just pumping out as much crap as you can. Well, G.I. Joe, too. All of a sudden, G.I. Joe went from camouflage army soldiers to eco-warriors dressed in neon green with huge battery-operated backpacks. Yeah, they became half-Skyborg. Such a joke. No kid wanted to play with that shit. And that's the other thing. So if they made a G.I. Joe pin, it would have to be like the 80s cartoon. Well, if we do a G.I. Joe pin, I have a top 20 list for that. I need a lot of things in a G.I. Joe. That's the problem with dream themes, right? Yeah. You need a lot of things in the pin because it's in your brain. What's your favorite 80s property?
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    Oh, for like a pinball, though? Sure. I'll go with that. Well, how about in general and then for pinball?
    53:28
    Oh, man. 80s property, I would say G.I. Joe is my favorite. That just took up the most of my time. And then for pinball, yeah, NGI Joe would be a cool 80s property for me. I just would. Okay, Stern, we're doing market research for you. But then, like, all right, but then there's movies too, right? So there's movies also that... Big Trouble in Little China. Big Trouble in Little China would get me, you know? I don't know. Over the Top. Could we make another Sylvester Stallone pinball machine?
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    Or he'd go, ugh, but it would be Over the Top. Sure, there's not enough Sylvester Stallone pinball machines. that's like our arnold our arnold pinball idea where it was like arnold forzenegger you you are arnold the first mode is like you're a bodybuilder and at the end you're president of the united states yeah i am the governor well we could do one with slide too but it would start off with him being like you know slight slight sidebar here i watch this slight sidebar this whole fucking thing is a sidebar but go ahead yeah yeah this podcast is a sidebar from life um It's messy. I was slapping a show on the internet. You know it, brother. I was watching this clip on YouTube. It was Sylvester Stallone recently with Jimmy Fallon on The Tonight Show. Yeah. He looks good. He's wearing a suit. He was talking about Dolph Lundgren, about how he hated him when he first met him or whatever. But that wasn't the story. Jealousy. Yeah. But Sylvester Stallone has had so much face work done, it was hard to look at him. Oh, God. He's sitting there, right? He's in a suit. Like I said, he's looking good. He's still got the broad shoulders. He looks like he's fit, whatever, which is fine. But then his eyebrows are literally penciled in. It looked like he was wearing lipstick. Yeah, the first Expendables movie, he had just gotten a lip job. Oh, my God. It was so god awful. I couldn't look at it. It was hard to look at him. It was just such a... Like I said, the first Expendables movie, dude, it looked like his lips were so pursed, like he was trying to kiss everybody. It was awful. Sly, what are you doing? I know you listen, Sly, so just, please. You were cool, man. What happened? You are cool. Why do you? It's just so disappointing. I couldn't. A lot of people are doing that shit. After a minute, I was like, I can't watch this anymore. He looks so bad. You know what? I mean, there was a time, maybe in the 80s, where we were like, Sly is the perfection. You know? But nobody ever thought that dude was super hot. No. He was always beat up and like, yeah. Yeah. He couldn't talk. His lips were all. And now, seriously, his face looks like there's two midgets behind him just pulling on his face as hard as they can. I apologize to any short people in the audience here, but I don't know how to describe it. He's my height. Yeah, he's a short dude. He's 5'7", 5'8". He's like me. But they're stretching his skin so tight, and I'm just like, oh, it's awful. I know, man. I know. Sorry. That's all there is to it. Sidebar done. Should we do a mailbag? Mailbag. all right here we go uh we got quite a bit of mail thank you everybody for sharing some dad jokes it's a lot of fun we got a super special one for you we do we do uh you want to start with that one i wish you would finish that one for last we'll say that for last well we'll go through uh some of our mailbag here um and keep them coming guys we can't get enough of it we love it thank you there's a ton this week so we already mentioned michael williams he sent us an email he's the Damn it, I'm thirsty guy. That's his new nickname.
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    I want to suggest what you should drink for the next podcast. A black Russian. They are a very tasty addition to any pinball night. And he has a picture with a black Russian. And his pinball lineup that we can see is a creature from the Black Lagoon. As Drew gets up to get a drink.
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    Star Wars. And I think that's a Hobbit. and a Twilight Zone, if I'm not mistaken. So good lineup, man. That's a fucking awesome lineup. Cheers, Mike. Thank you for that. Rich, fuck Ian Howerwer. Howerwer? Howerwer. I can never say that. I can't either, dude. Sorry, Ian.
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    He sent us his top five sports pins. I don't get it. Drew doesn't get it. But we're going to say it anyway. We're going to read it. I'm assuming this has something to do with his tournaments. So here we go.
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    I went a different route in weighing things by how great the sport is. Number five, professional pinball challenger one. Number four, professional pinball challenger four. Number three, professional pinball challenger three. Number two, professional pinball challenger two. Number one, pinball by Stern because it isn't challenger. I'm enjoying the dad jokes. I think you should reach out to Pinball Buzz and see if you can do voice work for Punny Factory.
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    RFI. Rich Buckian. Well, thank you, Rich Buckian. We appreciate you, brother. I don't know. The Punny Factory? Are you familiar, Drew? Yeah. Have we confirmed? Is that a real thing? Or is this just some big ruse that someone's pulling on us? The Punny Factory? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. That thing's been floating around forever. and then like you go to their site and it looks legit yeah and then but it's been like a year or two i think now so i don't know it'd be interesting they're gonna come out with deep root that's maybe that's deep root site that'd be funny oh wouldn't that be great they're like and now unveiling the punny factory and then unveiling it's just like deep root shit yeah who knows i don't know man it's it's crazy uh all right we have sorry real quick back to that uh rich fuck ian thing ian harwer yeah i didn't so that last game he said there is a game by stern for using you don't know i had to look it up it's just called pinball it's like 1979 and it's just called pinball by stern i was like oh that's neat that's just a pinball there you go i'm looking at no kind of neat all right rich fuck in you're the best man we love you keep sending them in because we're going to keep reading them. Here we go. This was sent to us today, actually, just before we did this podcast here. On Facebook, you can always message us on Facebook as well, the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on Facebook. He's becoming a regular. We're almost at 100 likes, by the way.
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    As soon as we get to 100 likes, we're like 95. We will do a show without pants. Listen. Too late. true we haven't worn pants since episode 4 anyway alright so hey listen if you're listening and you're not liking us on Facebook I'm very disappointed in you please please and tell your friends seriously tell your friends it's a nice number we can judge I mean we're at 900,000 listeners we're trying to get to that million mark so you know we really need your help 900 million did you say 900 million 900,000 900,000. Yeah, don't inflate our numbers, Ian. We have 900,000 listeners and only 95 like us on Facebook. This is bullshit, guys. We need to get to that million mark. We need like 1,500 of you guys that like us on Facebook. I mean, come on. So we got a message from Steph Annie Ann. Steph.
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    Dad joke contribution. Fuck me. I can't talk. These black Russians are true. Drew wants me to leave that in, so I'll leave that in for you fuckers. I love you. Just so you can see a little behind the scenes. Like, when we get drunk, we really get drunk. This isn't a fucking shtick. It's not a joke. This is what we do. You should see the amount of editing I do for these podcasts. I know. When Ian tells me that he edited it from literally, like, two hours to, like, an hour, you just know how much crap is in there. Oh, it's so terrible. And we say unfiltered, non-edited, but if we really let you guys listen to, like, everything. It's terrible. Yeah, it's just. It's un-listenable. That's why we're the sloppiest show. We're the sloppiest show on the internet, but we would literally be the sloppiest show anywhere ever. Oh, it's the worst. I mean, I've already had to delete a bunch of shit because I couldn't read any of these emails because the text is too small. I'm old and I'm drunk. It's hard. All right, let's go back to Steffi Ann. All right. Steffi. Steff. Steff Annie Ann. That's it. There you go. Good job. Steff. Dad joke contribution. Loving them so far. Here we go. Ready, Drew? huge fight at seafood restaurant battered fish everywhere I kind of dig that there's a sign there I guess I don't know but I love it Steph I love it thank you very much again for sharing that with us and poor man's pinball podcast listener number 15 sent us another audio clip this one is with a dad joke so we'll play it right now hey all you out there in poor man pinball podcast land. Listener number 15 here figured I would call in with my own special dad joke. Now this dad joke is a really long one, kind of specifically picked so that Ian and Drew can go and fix themselves a new drink, you know, freshen up, then come back. And by the end of it, you know, it'll be, it's not your usual dad joke. It's a nice long, long dad joke. So basically, where to start. It's the guy's first day on the job. He's been so excited. He's a PA. He's been trying to break into showbiz forever. He's a PA for Sesame Street. So as a production assistant, he's like, oh, I don't know what I'm going to do. He's going in. He's finally looking, trying to get into this job forever. And he gets his first day, and they're like, okay, you're going to be in charge of going around and collecting the kids. You're going drive a bus and pick up all the kids for today's show he's like perfect sounds great is a good way i'll start i'll meet the kids i'll start getting in involved and all this stuff so they hand him a list he's like okay now take the bus and just go pick up all these people so he drives up and he's like looking he's like okay cool so he drives up to the first stop and uh he opens the doors and there's a pair of twins come towards the door and they're really large girls and they they kind to get up. They work their way up onto the bus, and they both look at him, and they go, hi, we're Patty. And he said, okay, that's nice to meet you. Go grab a seat on the bus. We have a whole bunch of other kids to pick up. So he's driving down, and the girls are giggling and acting goofy, but that's whatever. That's how kids are on a bus. So he pulls up to the second one, and this kid hops up on there, and he's a real goofy-looking kid. And he's like, my name's Ross, and I'm special.
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    He's like, wow, this is getting better and better. Nice to meet you, kid. Grab a seat, and let's go. We're ready to go to Sesame Street. So then he drives a little bit further down, and he has the last kid to pick up. And he picks him up, and he goes, my name's Lester Cheese. And at this point, the driver's like, look, okay, thanks. Grab a seat. So he's driving along, and the kids are starting to argue and stuff like that. And he looks in the mirror and he sees Lester Cheese is taking his shoes off and his socks. And he put them over the back of the paddy. The two paddies are sitting there and he puts them over the seat. And he has his feet up in the air. And he's like, what are you, kid, you can't do that, you know. And then he starts looking and he sees that Lester is picking his feet. He's picking bunions on his feet. And he pulls over the bus and he starts yelling at his kids. And he's just sitting there. He's trying to calm himself down. He's like, man, how did I get to this point in my life? two obese patties special ross lester cheese picking bunions on a sesame street bus i thank you everyone that was dad joke brought to you by martin listen to number 15 i hope you drew any and i hope you enjoyed it and i hope you got yourself a brand new drink in this long super long stupid joke dad joke out center 15 thank you listener number 15 martin that was awesome. Thanks, Martin. We are really enjoying your submissions, honestly. Ian and I, we listen to them before we do the show, and we laugh our asses off. And then we listen to them during the show, and we laugh our asses off. We can't wait to meet you, Martin. Are you going to Expo, Martin? Martin, email us and let us know if you're going to be at Expo, because we have finally nailed down a date, so anyone who's listening, I will be there, and Ian will be there all day Friday.
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    And he'll be going home Saturday. I will be there all day Saturday and potentially Thursday and or Sunday. But, yeah, we're going to spend some time there. And Kuyper's going Saturday and Sunday. Is that right? Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Oh, so we'll see him Friday. He's leaving after work on Friday to go down there. Oh, okay. So we'll meet up with him. Yeah, yeah. So Ryan Kuyper, TurboGrafx-7, he's doing some streaming. He's bringing a streaming rig. He's going down there. Yep, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Nice. All right, cool. So, cool. But, yeah, if you guys are down there, we'll be – you'll see us. We'll be drunk. I don't know yet what we're going to wear to draw attention to ourselves, but we'll do it. Can we do, like, when Trey Parker and Matt Stone from South Park, they went to the Emmys or something.
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    It was one of their first years, like, after they got really big. And Matt Stone was, like, wearing a pink dress. Oh, shit. And they were, like, tripping on acid or something. it's really hilarious and they talk about it like in later years oh they were so messed up it was pretty funny we won't do that alright but that was it man episode what 28? 28 we want to thank all you guys for listening seriously wholeheartedly we love you absolutely this might be the slappiest show on the internet but it wouldn't be any show without you guys yeah we'd do this anyway but it wouldn't be any fun yeah we'd be doing this without microphones and not recording. Yeah, we've been doing that for years.
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    And then it's just sad. But somehow when you put a mic in front of us, it's like it means something. It means something. We got things going on. We're kind of popping. What did we call you the other week? The Drew Zip. The Drew Zip and the Sloppy Ian. There you go. Sloppy Ian and Drew Zip. You got it. All right, well, thank you guys so much for everything. Email us at 4manspinball at gmail.com. Let us know what you would want to see at the Teenage Mutant Turtle Game. We'll take dad jokes We love dad jokes And like us on Facebook The Poor Man's Pimple Podcast Remember, a million likes, we're on our way We just need I just want to get 100 first So let's get to number 100 We're at like 95 right now So five of you fuckers, go and like us And somebody out there in Facebook land Tell Greg Bone to friend me on Facebook Greg Bone's been avoiding Ian I don't know why I love that man So he just hasn't accepted my friend request, and I think it's bullshit. So everyone, message Greg right now. Thank you guys so much for listening. Drew. Thanks again, guys. Love you. All right. Bye-bye. Bye.
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    Thank you.