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Pinball Roundtable is live from Texas Pinball Festival.

JBS Live·video·1h 22m·analyzed·Mar 22, 2026
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TL;DR

Texas Pinball Festival roundtable covers American Pinball reorganization, Cirqus Voltaire remaster, Turner Pinball, Spooky Pinball.

Summary

JBS Live covered the Texas Pinball Festival with a roundtable discussion featuring Jamie Burchell, Retro Ralph, remote guest Cale Hernandez, and Donny from Don's A A A A Pinball Podcast. Key topics included American Pinball reorganization and Cirqus Voltaire remaster plans, Turner Pinball release, Spooky Pinball booth setup, and the homebrew community's expanding presence at the festival.

Key Claims

  • American Pinball never actually had the license for He-Man; it was a mock-up by Chris Friebus to attempt licensing

    high confidence · Stated directly by speaker with insider knowledge of American Pinball licensing situation

  • Cirqus Voltaire will have two rule sets: original code and new updated code, selectable via menu

    high confidence · Confirmed by Brian and John Swartz at American Pinball during booth visit

  • American Pinball is working on operator-friendly settings changes via phone app, allowing complete game configuration in ~2 minutes without opening coin door

    medium confidence · Stated by American Pinball representative as work-in-progress, not finalized

  • Cirqus Voltaire will feature updated LCD animations replacing the original DMD display

    high confidence · Confirmed by American Pinball during roundtable booth discussion

  • HEXA Pinball display machine is stuck in customs in Memphis, unable to be retrieved for the festival

    high confidence · Reported by hosts who spoke directly with Hexa Pinball representative at festival

  • Turner Pinball arrived at 10:30 PM Thursday during festival shutdown

    high confidence · Eyewitness account from hosts and Donny who helped unload it

  • Turner Pinball sales were very low, under 100 units total

    medium confidence · Mentioned by panelists based on sighting of low serial number (54) new-in-box Merlin LE

  • Spooky Pinball has 19 Beetlejuice machines set up at Texas Pinball Festival

    high confidence · Stated by Donny during booth tour discussion

  • Robin and Nick Nichel were developing their own pinball machine before American Pinball recruited them

    medium confidence · Revealed by hosts during American Pinball interview, noted as potentially confidential info accidentally disclosed

Notable Quotes

  • “These are the guys that forced me to announce Cirqus Voltaire, basically. We leaked Cirqus Voltaire.”

    Brian (American Pinball representative)@ 2:29 — Acknowledges hosts' role in forcing early announcement of Circus Voltaire remaster project

  • “I don't mind those guys at American Pinball.”

    Christopher Frenchy (regarding working with American Pinball)@ 6:27 — Indicates willingness to collaborate with American Pinball on artwork despite working elsewhere

  • “Look, all we wanted to do was showcase our machine here. We were looking forward to it for so long and then this happens.”

    Hexa Pinball representative@ 15:51 — Expresses disappointment over customs delay preventing festival display

  • “We have full faith in Nick. We gave him all the king's keys to the kingdom.”

    [name withheld pending review]@ 8:19 — Indicates Nick Nichel has significant autonomy and resources for his new American Pinball project

  • “The gameplay sort of brought it, but everything around it didn't bring it at all.”

    [name withheld pending review]@ 19:45 — Critical feedback on Yeti's audio package and overall immersion despite solid mechanics

  • “It's probably going to take me a good 8 hours to sift through all of it and create the package, but I just think it's cool that he's going to contribute his time for all these people that are building pinball machines.”

    Jeff (Dirty Pool, regarding free callout service)@ 27:20 — Highlights community contribution and value of Dirty Pool's homebrew support initiative

Entities

American PinballcompanyJamie BurchellpersonCale HernandezpersonDonnypersonChristopher Frenchyperson[name withheld pending review]personRobinpersonTurner Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: American Pinball confirms Circus Voltaire will have dual rule sets (original + new updated code) selectable via menu without service access required

    high · Direct confirmation from American Pinball representatives Brian and John Swartz during booth visit

  • ?

    product_concern: American Pinball acknowledges flipper fade issues in previous games and is implementing technical improvements for Circus Voltaire and future releases

    high · American Pinball rep stated they are 'absolutely addressing the flippers' with bigger capacitors and additional technical improvements to maintain strength and responsiveness

  • ?

    design_innovation: American Pinball developing phone-based operator settings interface allowing complete game configuration in ~2 minutes without opening coin door

    medium · Representative mentioned work-in-progress solution, explicitly noted as not yet solidified but in development

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Hexa Pinball's display machine trapped in Memphis customs, unable to attend Texas Pinball Festival despite being the company's showcase event

    high · Direct statement from Hexa Pinball representative expressing frustration about customs black hole preventing retrieval and display

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Nick Nichel and Robin transitioning from independent/Electric Playground work to full-time American Pinball roles with significant autonomy

    high · American Pinball reps stated Nick and Robin are '100% full-time' and Nick has 'all the king's keys to the kingdom' for resource allocation

Transcript

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Oh, right here. Chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're live right now, you know. We're live, but don't worry about it. No. It's over on the right. See, it doesn't say chat. There you go. Now you'll see the chat. Okay, cool. And as it publishes, as they come in, you can display them on the screen. >> And I might edit this tonight because
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And I might edit this tonight because
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And I might edit this tonight because we'll wait a second for people to get here. But I did say we were going to go live at 8:00. So, we're live right >> You don't We are.
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You don't We are.
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You don't We are. You don't need to edit it. Just let this run. You know, this is going to This is going to be live. I mean, this is going to be They can watch the VOD. Oh, that's true. Because it'll be live on YouTube and we're live on YouTube right now. James Burchill is here with Retro Ralph live at TPF and we remoted in our great buddy, Kale Hernandez. Sir, how are you? Fantastic. Enjoying the weather out here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona. Full of serious FOMO that you're not here. >> I know, man.

  • Dirty Pool's Jeff is providing free callout recording service and audio packaging for homebrew community at the festival

    high confidence · Confirmed by multiple panelists who participated in booth recording and discussed his contribution

  • “Hold my Beetle beer. Just trust me.”

    Donny (regarding championing midnight launch event)@ 23:41 — Reflects his successful advocacy for Spooky's midnight Beetlejuice launch event

  • “When I first got it, I had a hard time with the shots for like the first probably 10 to 15 games. And then it started like, 'Oh my gosh, this is so fun.'”

    [name withheld pending review]@ 25:39 — Notes that Beetlejuice has a steep learning curve but becomes rewarding with practice

    • Chris Turner
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    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Hexa Pinballcompany
    Dirty Poolperson|company
    Cirqus Voltairegame
    Yukongame
    Beetlejuicegame
    Houdinigame
    Texas Pinball Festivalevent
    Electric Batvenue
    Electric Playgroundcompany
    John Swartzperson
    Markperson
  • ?

    product_concern: Turner Yeti receiving criticism for weak audio package and callouts despite solid gameplay mechanics; early audio subject to revision

    high · Panelists agreed audio/callouts are deficient; chat noted Chris Turner confirmed music/callouts are 'super early and will be adjusted'; suggestion made to engage Dirty Pool for audio upgrade

  • $

    market_signal: Turner Yeti tracking to significantly outsell previous Turner releases (Merlin/Ninja); estimated halfway through production run or better

    medium · Panelists indicate Yeti will sell out; estimated to have sold more units than combined Merlin/Ninja despite Merlin LE showing <100 total units

  • ?

    community_signal: Dirty Pool providing free professional callout recording and audio packaging service to homebrew community at Texas Pinball Festival

    high · Confirmed by multiple panelists who participated in recording booth; Jeff volunteering 8+ hours to curate audio files for homebrew builders

  • ?

    event_signal: Texas Pinball Festival homebrew section expanded significantly, approaching scale of major Expo event; Spooky Beetlejuice midnight launch event successful and planned for repetition

    high · Donny noted homebrew section is 'biggest TPS ever had' and not quite as big as Expo but 'going to get there'; midnight launch execution praised and Goonies sequel planned

  • ?

    product_strategy: American Pinball planning two trim levels for Circus Voltaire with different artwork; both priced under $10k

    medium · Mentioned by panelist as 'third-hand knowledge'; confirms existence of two SKUs but details about artwork sources (possibly Brian Allen) unconfirmed

  • ?

    leak_detection: Nick Nichel and Robin developing unannounced machine for American Pinball; hosts acknowledged this information may have been confidential but disclosed anyway

    medium · Hosts stated 'I don't know if we're supposed to say that' and 'I think it's too late now' after revealing Robin and Nick's new machine project; title not disclosed

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: American Pinball showing renewed energy and engagement under new ownership; team appears genuinely excited about product pipeline and direction

    high · Hosts noted 'different energy' and 'pumped up' atmosphere; new owner 'in booth talking to everybody trying to gather feedback the whole time'

    • 0:53
    I know, man.
    0:53
    I know, man. It's It's really fun. This show You've been to this show before, though, right? >> Well, he's set up this show a million
    0:57
    Well, he's set up this show a million
    0:57
    Well, he's set up this show a million times. Yeah. Yeah, this show It's great. It's massive. And I feel like it's carpeted, Kale. It's awesome cuz there's carpet. That's So, you're starting like old men right off the bat and talk about the carpet. >> dinosaurs, so you got to start off with
    1:11
    dinosaurs, so you got to start off with
    1:11
    dinosaurs, so you got to start off with the dinosaur show. >> you read that comment the other day
    1:13
    you read that comment the other day
    1:13
    you read that comment the other day about the dinosaur? No, I don't I don't read comments. >> [laughter]
    1:18
    [laughter]
    1:18
    [laughter] >> See, he's so much better than us, ladies
    1:20
    See, he's so much better than us, ladies
    1:20
    See, he's so much better than us, ladies and >> I mean, it didn't bother me. I thought
    1:21
    I mean, it didn't bother me. I thought
    1:21
    I mean, it didn't bother me. I thought it was funny, actually, but It's funny. All right. Let's get this show kicked off, man. >> Let's get this show kicked off.
    1:28
    Let's get this show kicked off.
    1:28
    Let's get this show kicked off. Again, Kale Hernandez is remote live from the Electric Bat. And well, live from his house, actually. Yep. Studio. And let's go. Okay. Notes. You want to start with American Pinball? Yeah. Sure. Let's start with American Pinball. All right. We have literally met everyone at American Pinball, Ralph. Yeah. It's a whole new crew. We met every one of them. Kale, we met everyone, right? Mhm. They can't be nicer. Yeah, and they're excited. They're actually you can tell there's a different energy over there now. They're they're pumped up. They're pumped up to have Nick Nichel, they're pumped up to have Rob over at Electric Playground. The new owner seems really engaged and he was he's been just in the booth talking to everybody trying to gather feedback the whole time. >> Yeah. They seem pretty energized over
    2:16
    Yeah. They seem pretty energized over
    2:16
    Yeah. They seem pretty energized over there. So Brian uh came up to us, Kale. You'll appreciate this and he goes, "These are the guys that uh forced me to lot to announce the What did he say? These are the guys that uh He said we leaked Circus Voltaire, basically. >> game.
    2:31
    game.
    2:31
    game. >> our first game. And then of course see
    2:33
    our first game. And then of course see
    2:33
    our first game. And then of course see in in true fashion Kale, you got out you got off scot-free. Like you didn't have to It's not even you. Like even though you It is you, but you know what I mean? I don't I don't know I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah. [laughter] See what I mean? See? It's just whatever. No, the Oh, here we are. We got M and Retro Gamer. I had I had it off. I'm so sorry, guys. Yeah, Janine's in there? Janine is here. Hi, guys. Everyone is here. So they just been so lovely, Kale. Um and they gave us a couple of info, right? I mean >> Yeah, they gave us some info. Little
    3:09
    Yeah, they gave us some info. Little
    3:09
    Yeah, they gave us some info. Little little little insider stuff, right? >> Yeah, I think so. Uh what can we talk
    3:13
    Yeah, I think so. Uh what can we talk
    3:14
    Yeah, I think so. Uh what can we talk about? Well, well before that and unless you've heard anything about He-Man, somebody in the chat's asking about He-Man and I actually have some inside knowledge on this. Okay. Um It's gone. American never actually had the license for He-Man. Uh they David Fix got um Chris Frenchy to do a mock-up in order to land the license, but it never actually happened. >> Ah.
    3:46
    Ah.
    3:46
    Ah. >> Ah. Okay, that makes much more sense.
    3:48
    Ah. Okay, that makes much more sense.
    3:48
    Ah. Okay, that makes much more sense. >> why 2/3 of round tables just not enough,
    3:51
    why 2/3 of round tables just not enough,
    3:51
    why 2/3 of round tables just not enough, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, the whole thing. We need the we need them all. Um Yeah, so now now bring us up to date. What You you you hung out with him. What have you heard? What's going on? What else is coming down? Yeah, so we saw the Houdini with the new artwork that Frenchy did. Uh the the the artwork that's on display here is not the final. Like they're going to um they're going to start printing the artwork on the cabinets, I guess. So and then laminating over that. Kind of similar to what he's doing? Yeah, interesting. Yeah, so that's not like this on this model that's on the floor. But um but it looks really nice. The artwork that Frenchy did, of course, cuz he's always kicking ass at artwork. But it look it looks really really nice. It's obviously the same game. But uh I I don't know if they they were kind of they were kind of saying they they already sold them through. So their 100 are probably already sold through to distributors, which is good. That's that's great for them. >> Yeah, so their first game out the shoot,
    4:46
    Yeah, so their first game out the shoot,
    4:46
    Yeah, so their first game out the shoot, they got uh they got all the orders, which is which is good. Um You know, you could just see the positivity, Kale, from the team. >> there. You know, they're they're just
    4:55
    there. You know, they're they're just
    4:55
    there. You know, they're they're just excited to make [ __ ] happen, right? And with Niteso uh you know, we spent a lot of time with Robin and Alec at the bar. >> that was a really funny. Honestly, Kale,
    5:07
    that was a really funny. Honestly, Kale,
    5:07
    that was a really funny. Honestly, Kale, everyone was like heavily drinking at the bar and it it was pretty fun. Uh but Rob is like super pumped up about it. Yeah. >> Um but we did find out though. So Rob
    5:17
    Um but we did find out though. So Rob
    5:17
    Um but we did find out though. So Rob and Nick are 100% full-time American Pinball. So it's kind of on Alec's shoulders now and a couple of people that that work at Electric Playground. It's not like Rob isn't a part of Electric Playground, but he's 100% allocating his time right now to American Pinball. We did find that out. Hey, yeah, I'm just trying to get a clarification. In the chat, they're saying Frenchy did not do the artwork, Brad did it. No, that's wrong cuz we met My next topic was going to be we met Frenchy. I apologized to Francie. We'll talk about that in a second. We'll give you some good info on that in a second, but we immediately said the artwork on Houdini looks great. How long did it take you? And he's like, "I don't know, a couple weeks, a month." >> he just whipped it up. He just whipped
    6:01
    he just whipped it up. He just whipped
    6:01
    he just whipped it up. He just whipped it up. Yeah, he's good like that. Yeah, so he did it. And and also we got some insider too while we were talking, I think you asked Jamie's like, "Hey, so it's cool for you to work on other projects?" And I and That was a neat That was neat with Francie. Say, "Go ahead." And and Bug and and Luke were there and they're like, "Yeah, yeah, of course, like he can he can work on other things if he if he wants to." But it it was it was No, what he said was, "I don't mind those guys at American Pinball." Remember what he said that? He he goes He goes, "Who are you going to work with?" And he said American Pinball, and he's like, "I don't mind those guys." >> [laughter]
    6:39
    [laughter]
    6:39
    [laughter] >> So.
    6:40
    So.
    6:40
    So. Real quick on the Francie's, Rob dragged me over, Kale. Well, well actually this is really funny, Kale. So this was this is us being like not aware of the situation. So we're walking into the booth. Francie's on the other side and they're setting up all the Beetlejuices. And there's a guy like, "Hey, we're cutting straps, we're cutting straps." And all of a sudden we're getting hit with straps as we're going to talk to Francie. We're in the middle of everything, Kale. Like we probably shouldn't have We weren't really supposed to be on the floor, to be honest with you. So, anyway, good good conversation with Christopher Francie. He is going to come on the podcast, a very special podcast with Christopher Francie. He He actually invited us to dinner tonight, so Yeah, we can't go because we're doing this. We can't go, but all is is very well. Yeah, so we're doing something. Yeah, yeah, we're going Yeah, the the other bit of info that I think we can talk about American real quick while we're while we're on there >> Oh boy, what? was
    7:41
    Oh boy, what? was
    7:41
    Oh boy, what? was that Well, Robin told us Should we say that about they were Robin and Nick >> are you talking about?
    7:49
    are you talking about?
    7:49
    are you talking about? >> Robin and Nick were doing their own
    7:51
    Robin and Nick were doing their own
    7:51
    Robin and Nick were doing their own machine. Cale Uh-huh. Okay. >> Yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to
    7:55
    Yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to
    7:55
    Yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to say that. >> Oh, really?
    7:56
    Oh, really?
    7:56
    Oh, really? >> Yeah, I don't think so actually, but I
    7:58
    Yeah, I don't think so actually, but I
    7:58
    Yeah, I don't think so actually, but I think [laughter] it's too late now. Uh so, Robin and Cale were doing their own machine. >> would have like whispered it to me first
    8:04
    would have like whispered it to me first
    8:04
    would have like whispered it to me first or something maybe. And American loved it so much, they basically said come Yeah. >> And and that was one of the the uh
    8:14
    And and that was one of the the uh
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    And and that was one of the the uh But they did say when we were talking to them that that they're like, we have full faith in Nick. We gave him all the king's keys to the kingdom. Like Nick is going to be able to run with this game and get all the resources he needs to to do what he needs to do. And they seem really excited. They're like, you guys are going to love it. So, I don't know they didn't he didn't tell us what it was. No. But I don't know if he we were supposed to say that part, but he did not tell us what it is. >> But Nick, what they did tell us about
    8:39
    But Nick, what they did tell us about
    8:39
    But Nick, what they did tell us about Circus Voltaire uh we cornered Brian and John Swartz who's new member on the board to this morning and they did tell us Cale that Circus Voltaire uh they announced it because of us quickly and um they're also going to be doing updated some code. Yeah, so it's it's going to have a you're you're going to have two rule sets. You're going to And I did give them some feedback on this, but we'll get to that in a second. So, it's going to have the original code and then they're going to have new [clears throat] code that's updated and you can choose to play either game. Now, one thing he said, now this isn't he didn't commit this, but I said to him, well, it would be nice like from a home from a home buyer perspective, if on the main menu I could select which one I wanted and not have to go into the service menu. And he's he said they have some ideas around like an operator being able to do it without opening up the coin door, but that none of that's They're working on something that might be like phone related where you can go in and operate or get >> in in like 2 minutes.
    9:40
    in in like 2 minutes.
    9:40
    in in like 2 minutes. 2 minutes. >> Yeah. An operator can go in and change
    9:42
    Yeah. An operator can go in and change
    9:42
    Yeah. An operator can go in and change the settings of the game completely, all the settings of the game, including the what code you're running it on uh without having to open up the coin door. And so so he didn't he said that none of that's like solidified, but they're working on that. So there you go. That sounds That's some good info for you, Kale. But the reimagined is basically like you there's going to be a new rule set, but you can still play the old >> original rule set. Okay. So my take my
    10:08
    original rule set. Okay. So my take my
    10:08
    original rule set. Okay. So my take my takeaway from this is there's going to be a Tony Hawk uh Pro Skater pinball machine. >> [laughter]
    10:15
    [laughter]
    10:15
    [laughter] >> I know. How great would that be?
    10:16
    I know. How great would that be?
    10:16
    I know. How great would that be? >> That'd be awesome if it was that. Um
    10:19
    That'd be awesome if it was that. Um
    10:19
    That'd be awesome if it was that. Um the No, he did say another thing. All the animations, they're redoing all of the animations on a modern LCD in the back. So the LCD will be where the DMD would have been, and it's going to be all modern. Like they're going to redo all those animations and stuff. >> That's pretty cool, right? Yeah.
    10:35
    That's pretty cool, right? Yeah.
    10:35
    That's pretty cool, right? Yeah. >> that's cool. He didn't say though if the
    10:37
    that's cool. He didn't say though if the
    10:37
    that's cool. He didn't say though if the That's just one thing we didn't ask him, if when you're running the original code if it's just emulating the old DMD on the LCD. I don't know. Yeah, that would have been a good question, but I wasn't We were Kale, we were beat. When we were talking to him, we were done this morning. This guy's gotten me introduced to taking naps now. Life is good right now. >> Yeah. Uh
    10:56
    Yeah. Uh
    10:56
    Yeah. Uh No, it was good. It was good to talk to them and uh I wish them nothing but the best of luck. I know that's my phrase is all the time. You know, good luck. But uh I do think Kale that they're they're on the right path of um the mistakes of the past, except the AI gate >> one other thing. Actually, there's one
    11:14
    one other thing. Actually, there's one
    11:14
    one other thing. Actually, there's one other thing. So Kale, we were talking a lot about their flippers. They're they're redoing their They realized their flippers kind of fade and they're not as strong. So they're he They're doing more than just adding uh a higher bigger capacitors. They He was going into the technical details, but he said we're absolutely addressing the flippers. So, you're not going to have fade over time. They're going to feel strong and snappy. Uh so, that's something they're going to do moving forward with the with Circus Voltaire and then the rest of the games. So. We are now joined Donny >> by Donny from Don's Pinball Podcast.
    11:49
    by Donny from Don's Pinball Podcast.
    11:49
    by Donny from Don's Pinball Podcast. Joined in the loins. Hello, sirs. How you doing? Can you hear Cal Hernandez? >> Hey, what's up? Absolute salt shakers. I
    11:57
    Hey, what's up? Absolute salt shakers. I
    11:57
    Hey, what's up? Absolute salt shakers. I love it, man. So, how are you? We've got to hang out with you. You brought the whole family. The whole fam's here, yeah. Yeah, they're putting them to work. The wife is working the Spooky booth, man. >> Did you know that
    12:09
    Did you know that
    12:09
    Did you know that his wife is now working for Spooky doing some side jobs? I mean, yeah. I listen to the him and Sterling. Oh. Oh, he's a listener. He's a listener. By the way, Cal, I hooked you up. Expect an IM from Sterling very soon. He wants to book you. Oh, we're going to do something? He's going to He wants to book you big [clears throat] time on the podcast. You are the best manager, I tell you what. I'm a recruiter. I bring people together, guys. That's what I do. I am a good recruiter. So. So, we didn't get the we Now that we have Don here, I think we should get to some of the breakdown of a couple of the games because it'd be great to get all of the whole perspective of the panel, don't you think? >> Okay, so we just talked about American
    12:48
    Okay, so we just talked about American
    12:48
    Okay, so we just talked about American Pinball. Oh, yes. Uh let's go to your favorite Multimorphic. >> Oh, yes. Yes. [laughter]
    12:54
    Oh, yes. Yes. [laughter]
    12:54
    Oh, yes. Yes. [laughter] Hang on a second. I got to I got Hey, before We'll bring this out. I got a souvenir from Multimorphic here. Oh, check that. Can I ask one question about American and Circus Voltaire? You can ask whatever you want. Okay, did you learn anything about the two different versions? And then And is Is one going to have different art? Or Or is it going to look like the the '90s machine? Uh we didn't talk about that. Did you get that, Don? Uh we didn't talk about I didn't ask him those questions. No, I heard there's two machines. One will be a remaster with new art. But this is like third-hand knowledge. No, he Okay, I don't know I don't He did tell us that it's going to have different art on it. Okay. All right, I don't remember that. >> So there'll be two that you can order
    13:37
    So there'll be two that you can order
    13:37
    So there'll be two that you can order from. >> the art. I don't know if it's like Brian
    13:38
    the art. I don't know if it's like Brian
    13:38
    the art. I don't know if it's like Brian Allen art, I don't know what, but there's two trim levels, they're both under 10 grand. I think. Wow. >> Again, third-hand knowledge. Well, and
    13:46
    Again, third-hand knowledge. Well, and
    13:46
    Again, third-hand knowledge. Well, and they'll both have, even though there's different art back, they'll both have that ability to run the original code and then whatever they decide to do. He didn't go into details as to what they're going to do, but he said there'll be new modes and there'll be new things like that to do. Okay, so in in the the reimagined part, are are they going to add like different things to the playfield? Are they going to be different mechs or No, he said that the playfield's going to be the same, just different code uh and that you can switch between one and two. Okay. You can go you can go in there. Oh yeah, you can go in there. Just just scoot by this the we're kind of like borrowing the light from the rig. >> Erica needs to get in there. What's up?
    14:26
    Erica needs to get in there. What's up?
    14:26
    Erica needs to get in there. What's up? We can pause for Erica. I want to talk about Erica for a little while. Hey, who's this guy? Who's this guy? This guy's the best instructor to have by your side when you're trying to learn to play a game. >> Seriously, he's the
    14:36
    Seriously, he's the
    14:36
    Seriously, he's the >> pinball, Jamie. No, he's calming. Oh no,
    14:39
    pinball, Jamie. No, he's calming. Oh no,
    14:39
    pinball, Jamie. No, he's calming. Oh no, and and oh my gosh, totally nailed the [ __ ] out of it. But like oh and the weird that I don't even know how we can explain I don't know how we can explain that story. Everyone's going to stop us to do this. I don't even know how we can explain that. I don't even know if we'll It's why I stopped. stopped. Let's try to explain let's shake this off. Let's try to explain sorry sorry sorry we're all over the place. >> All right.
    15:00
    All right.
    15:00
    All right. Moving on from American Pinball, I feel most sorry for Hexa Pinball, Cal. >> Oh, I know. It's such a bummer, man.
    15:09
    Oh, I know. It's such a bummer, man.
    15:09
    Oh, I know. It's such a bummer, man. Okay. >> Stuck in customs. Their stuff is stuck
    15:13
    Stuck in customs. Their stuff is stuck
    15:13
    Stuck in customs. Their stuff is stuck in customs in Memphis. Did you hear that? >> I heard. I heard. Yeah, what a blow,
    15:17
    I heard. I heard. Yeah, what a blow,
    15:17
    I heard. I heard. Yeah, what a blow, man. What a bummer, dude. Because there you want to announce look what Turner has done. We'll talk about Turner in a second. And here they are. They're excited. They fly everybody in. There's a bunch of Frenchmen running around and then they can't And did you did you see though the defeat on his face? >> your mouth. Your mouth. Did you see the
    15:37
    your mouth. Your mouth. Did you see the
    15:37
    your mouth. Your mouth. Did you see the defeat on his face? Like he was genuinely super sad. >> I know. so bummed cuz he
    15:43
    I know. so bummed cuz he
    15:43
    I know. so bummed cuz he he just said to us he's like, "Look, all we wanted to do." And it was like really he got really serious and sad. He goes, "Look, all we wanted to do was showcase our machine here. We were looking forward to it for so long and then this happens." He's like, "I was going to drive to Memphis." But he said, "I can't even He's like they won't even let me. It's stuck like in this weird customs black hole. So he cannot get it. I'm just I feel so bad for them. I feel so bad for them." I feel bad for them. Let's uh So bad luck, sorry. Hexum, our bad. America. You have a way of like Sorry, man. That's so bummer. [laughter] Yeah, it's a bummer. Let's move on. All right. Uh let's talk about Turner Pinball. Okay? Turner Pinball Yukon Yeti is the newest release. Uh their third release and they brought it. He brought it, Kale, at 10:30 Thursday night. >> wheeling it in when like they were
    16:41
    wheeling it in when like they were
    16:41
    wheeling it in when like they were shutting it down basically. So he just got it in under the >> jumped in the trailer and helped unload.
    16:45
    jumped in the trailer and helped unload.
    16:46
    jumped in the trailer and helped unload. We got those in here before they kicked us out. Yeah. >> See, I didn't know Donny's such a good
    16:49
    See, I didn't know Donny's such a good
    16:49
    See, I didn't know Donny's such a good dude. >> I would wait. I'm not waiting. Did you
    16:50
    I would wait. I'm not waiting. Did you
    16:50
    I would wait. I'm not waiting. Did you really? For my boy Chris Turner? Hell yeah, I'm going to wait. We had We had 15 minutes. We did it in 12. Yeah, everyone was stopping him, right? And uh we were like He's like, "Dude, I got 15 minutes." And he's panicking and we're like, "All right. Well, good luck with that." And we just left. >> was like, "Oh,
    17:05
    was like, "Oh,
    17:05
    was like, "Oh, >> [laughter]
    17:05
    [laughter]
    17:05
    [laughter] >> cool, man. So good luck." He did. He
    17:07
    cool, man. So good luck." He did. He
    17:07
    cool, man. So good luck." He did. He good lucked with it. Chris is like, "Oh, I got to get the game." >> [laughter]
    17:11
    [laughter]
    17:11
    [laughter] >> And uh but this guy, cuz he's a saint.
    17:14
    And uh but this guy, cuz he's a saint.
    17:14
    And uh but this guy, cuz he's a saint. >> Good dude. That's awesome, Donny.
    17:15
    Good dude. That's awesome, Donny.
    17:15
    Good dude. That's awesome, Donny. >> He's just a good dude, Don.
    17:17
    He's just a good dude, Don.
    17:17
    He's just a good dude, Don. So Donny I want to play that Yeti. So now let's talk about the game because Did you get to play it? >> Oh, I played the heck out of it, yeah.
    17:24
    Oh, I played the heck out of it, yeah.
    17:24
    Oh, I played the heck out of it, yeah. >> Okay. I hit the ramp, I did the
    17:25
    Okay. I hit the ramp, I did the
    17:25
    Okay. I hit the ramp, I did the avalanche lock, I played multi multiplayer games where we saw the lock works with different people. Did you get the avalanche with the five lock? >> Yeah, it plays like glass. I didn't get
    17:35
    Yeah, it plays like glass. I didn't get
    17:35
    Yeah, it plays like glass. I didn't get the five locks, but I did see somebody else with some pinball skill do it. >> Yeah, I got the I took the three lock, I
    17:39
    Yeah, I got the I took the three lock, I
    17:39
    Yeah, I got the I took the three lock, I took the easy out. >> similar to Aerosmith Kale, right? Like
    17:43
    similar to Aerosmith Kale, right? Like
    17:43
    similar to Aerosmith Kale, right? Like where you could decide to start the multiball, sir. Yeah. Okay, and then if not >> Or or Venom.
    17:50
    Or or Venom.
    17:50
    Or or Venom. Oh, right, yeah. There you go. So very similar. Um it it if you like White Water, I think you're going to like this game. Except I don't know if my buddy liked it. He's putting me on the spot. I got to admit like I There's a motto. There's things for me. I'm happy that he made this game and everything. But the music and the call outs just it there's nothing sucking me into wanting to play it. That's the problem. Like I I don't I I just I played it five times and I didn't love it. Like and I wouldn't And I'm I think this game there's a there's an audience for this game, but I'm I'm not it. Like I don't think I'm the audience for it. Do you think it'll sell out? What do you think, Don? I do, but I don't think it's for me. >> it's halfway there at least sold
    18:37
    it's halfway there at least sold
    18:37
    it's halfway there at least sold through. So yeah, it will, I think. I keep trying to I keep trying to get in there and say like like what's the live count right now and he won't reveal it to me, but It's probably got to be close if it's still there. >> available. Yeah. I think it will. Do you
    18:48
    available. Yeah. I think it will. Do you
    18:48
    available. Yeah. I think it will. Do you think he sold more of these than he did combined Merlins and Oh, he didn't really sell a lot of Merlins at all. >> And Ninja? Merlins I want to say it's
    18:56
    And Ninja? Merlins I want to say it's
    18:56
    And Ninja? Merlins I want to say it's like less than 100. So yeah, he definitely sold more than I I saw a new in box Merlin LE and it was number 54. Yeah, it's it's in the very it's very low. So this is outselling it by a a large amount, Marvel Cats. >> game.
    19:10
    game.
    19:10
    game. >> [laughter]
    19:12
    [laughter]
    19:12
    [laughter] >> Okay. But I'm Kale, I'm not saying I
    19:14
    Okay. But I'm Kale, I'm not saying I
    19:14
    Okay. But I'm Kale, I'm not saying I didn't like it, but for me it's not a game for me. Like I I I wasn't like super pumped up and having fun playing it. I was just kind of like lukewarm. What did you think about the audio on it? Because what The audio is the the to me the biggest deficiency. I Caleb, I'm about pinball experiences. I want something that give brings it. Brings it in all levels. I like Evil Dead brings it. The callouts, the freaking music, the what's going on the LCD. This this is like the gameplay sort of brought it, but everything around it didn't bring it at all. And so I feel like if there's any if he if he wanted to amp this game up, get like Dirty Pool to help him with the audio package and you could make this game like minty if you did that. >> that
    19:59
    that
    19:59
    that we said that to Jack. >> Yeah. Like are you exclusive to barrels?
    20:02
    Yeah. Like are you exclusive to barrels?
    20:03
    Yeah. Like are you exclusive to barrels? And he's like, "No." And so we're like >> I mean
    20:05
    I mean
    20:05
    I mean >> Chris Turner, let's go.
    20:06
    Chris Turner, let's go.
    20:06
    Chris Turner, let's go. >> amp this [ __ ] up big time with a with
    20:09
    amp this [ __ ] up big time with a with
    20:09
    amp this [ __ ] up big time with a with with some different >> right audio package. It would really
    20:12
    right audio package. It would really
    20:12
    right audio package. It would really change the game. And he may do that cuz it's I think he's not code 7.7 7.7. Yeah. >> So.
    20:19
    So.
    20:19
    So. >> love I love Chris. I love his quality is
    20:21
    love I love Chris. I love his quality is
    20:22
    love I love Chris. I love his quality is great. I just feel like there's an opportunity here before this thing starts shipping to sort of like make it great. That's my opinion. >> So chat just said that Chris told Carrie
    20:32
    So chat just said that Chris told Carrie
    20:32
    So chat just said that Chris told Carrie that the music and the callouts are super early and will be adjusted. >> Okay. Okay. I'll take it. I'll take it.
    20:37
    Okay. Okay. I'll take it. I'll take it.
    20:37
    Okay. Okay. I'll take it. I'll take it. You'll take it, right? >> to walk downstairs on my game. I'm just
    20:40
    to walk downstairs on my game. I'm just
    20:40
    to walk downstairs on my game. I'm just a little giddy in the corner. >> You did. Just get giddy by myself and
    20:43
    You did. Just get giddy by myself and
    20:43
    You did. Just get giddy by myself and play the roller coaster ramp over and over again. The roller coaster actually that roller coaster ramp >> is so cool. So Caleb, on the when you
    20:50
    is so cool. So Caleb, on the when you
    20:50
    is so cool. So Caleb, on the when you get to the upper playfield that like Vuk shoots it up, there's two shots. And the one that's like on the outer shot, it it's you don't you almost don't see it in the pictures, but it wraps around and goes back and then down the the like ski slope thing. It that is really actually pretty cool. And it's you couldn't hit it though. I know, but I saw other people do it. No wonder he didn't like it. >> Son of a [ __ ] [laughter] He saw other
    21:11
    Son of a [ __ ] [laughter] He saw other
    21:11
    Son of a [ __ ] [laughter] He saw other people hit it. Okay, well, we'll wait till we get to Beetlejuice, then, cuz if if we're going to talk [ __ ] Uh-oh, okay. But we're not done yet. We're not done with Turner yet. So, good luck. Cale, what is the Bat going to get one? Yeah, we'll we'll have one. Uh All right. Yeah. Uh we're from our friends at Starship Fantasy. They're they're hooking us up with one, so Oh, cool. Oh, good. >> All the folks at the Bat can come check
    21:38
    All the folks at the Bat can come check
    21:38
    All the folks at the Bat can come check it out. Well, there you go. You'll have a Yeti. Yeah. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll be able to play it in the local arcade, yeah. There we go. Give give the I'll contribute some money to the Bat. Um where else are we? So, I did want to talk about something that Well, actually, no, now that we have we'll we'll do that later, cuz >> Let's do Beetlejuice when Don is here,
    21:56
    Let's do Beetlejuice when Don is here,
    21:56
    Let's do Beetlejuice when Don is here, cuz we I don't want to take too much of his time. Yeah. So, you when are you getting yours at the Bat? Should be next week, right? Cuz Mark has his. Yes. Should be next week. And Mark is actually with you guys right now. I was Yeah, I was watching him on the tournament, uh you know, Carpool is uh you know, streaming the the tournament, and Mark Mark is in it. Okay. Did he make it to the finals? He did. Oh, good. Yeah, of course. >> Well, then, hopefully he can deliver
    22:26
    Well, then, hopefully he can deliver
    22:26
    Well, then, hopefully he can deliver your Beetlejuice to the Bat, and um I did talk to him the other day, though, Cale. He's like, "Well, I kind of want to keep it for a week." So, it might be a week from next week. Right. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, he he keeps it at the house for a little bit and plays it. >> It's a good move. It's a good move.
    22:43
    It's a good move. It's a good move.
    22:43
    It's a good move. It's a good move. Mhm. So, we went over there, we got to play it. This is my >> let's talk about the booth. The booth is
    22:48
    let's talk about the booth. The booth is
    22:48
    let's talk about the booth. The booth is badass. Like, there's a giant Cale, there's a freaking Beetlejuice that's like it hits the ceiling, it's so high. Where did they get that? >> That's the 20-ft tall inflatable Tiamo
    22:57
    That's the 20-ft tall inflatable Tiamo
    22:57
    That's the 20-ft tall inflatable Tiamo Beetlejuice. It wasn't [laughter] a Tiamo, was it, actually? at the >> for the midnight release, and so when we
    23:02
    for the midnight release, and so when we
    23:02
    for the midnight release, and so when we all went over to the factory after the party to go play it, like you come around the corner and it was Beetlejuice at midnight in the fog back-lit. It was amazing. [laughter] That's cool. It's touching the ceiling of the event center here. It's so big. >> Yeah, it doesn't even make it up like
    23:14
    Yeah, it doesn't even make it up like
    23:14
    Yeah, it doesn't even make it up like the head is a little bit like tilted down. It That's cool though. >> Yeah, you definitely know where they
    23:18
    Yeah, you definitely know where they
    23:18
    Yeah, you definitely know where they are. Like you'll You can't miss the Beetlejuice. >> let me give you props. You You announced
    23:24
    let me give you props. You You announced
    23:24
    let me give you props. You You announced on the A lot of things happened on the round table. You announced the midnight launch on the round table that you were thinking about doing that >> You called it at Expo.
    23:32
    You called it at Expo.
    23:32
    You called it at Expo. >> I lobbied hard for that. I kept coming
    23:34
    I lobbied hard for that. I kept coming
    23:34
    I lobbied hard for that. I kept coming to the guys and they're like, "We're busy with the launch. We don't know what day it's going to be. How would this even work?" I said, "Hold my Hold my Beetle beer. >> [laughter]
    23:41
    [laughter]
    23:41
    [laughter] >> Just trust me." And we made it work
    23:43
    Just trust me." And we made it work
    23:43
    Just trust me." And we made it work happen, and it was amazing and so much fun, and they loved it so much. We had so much Chipotle. We're thinking of doing it again. Good. Well, >> Yeah, I think it's absolutely doing it
    23:52
    Yeah, I think it's absolutely doing it
    23:52
    Yeah, I think it's absolutely doing it again. >> definitely do it again for Goonies,
    23:53
    definitely do it again for Goonies,
    23:53
    definitely do it again for Goonies, right? It's Goonies, right? >> It's going to be bigger
    23:56
    It's going to be bigger
    23:57
    It's going to be bigger next time. >> Good. They're
    23:59
    Good. They're
    23:59
    Good. They're always speculation on the title. >> multi-ball, it's going to be great.
    24:03
    multi-ball, it's going to be great.
    24:03
    multi-ball, it's going to be great. >> be awesome. So, Is there the How many do
    24:05
    be awesome. So, Is there the How many do
    24:05
    be awesome. So, Is there the How many do you have set up here? How many show games? >> 19.
    24:08
    19.
    24:08
    19. And they're packed, Kel. Packed with people. >> People. The cool thing
    24:13
    People. The cool thing
    24:13
    People. The cool thing >> thing is though, because there's so
    24:14
    thing is though, because there's so
    24:14
    thing is though, because there's so many, like the lines do get long, but it's not it it moves. Like you can actually play the game, I feel like, because there's so many. >> Just about everyone is two groups deep,
    24:23
    Just about everyone is two groups deep,
    24:23
    Just about everyone is two groups deep, so yeah. >> like reasonable, you know? Like you go
    24:25
    like reasonable, you know? Like you go
    24:25
    like reasonable, you know? Like you go to play Yeti and you're going to be waiting for a good 45 minutes probably, maybe even an hour. And then Don has a uh a two Beetlejuice in a tent, and I finally got in there today, and the sound is much much better. You can really hear. Very nice. How many Yetis are on the floor? Two. Two. Oh, that's rough. Yeah, it's tough. It's a big line. It's a big line. >> get this guy to I'm like, "Hey, I want
    24:51
    get this guy to I'm like, "Hey, I want
    24:51
    get this guy to I'm like, "Hey, I want to play it again." He's like, "I don't want to wait in the fog." It's long. >> [laughter]
    24:55
    [laughter]
    24:55
    [laughter] >> It Yeah.
    24:57
    It Yeah.
    24:57
    It Yeah. And it's playing the Yeti's playing long. Yeah. Well, at least when I played what adjustment did he make to it? No, cuz he changed something in the outlanes. >> The outlane posts were all the way open,
    25:05
    The outlane posts were all the way open,
    25:05
    The outlane posts were all the way open, so he closed them. Okay. Or closed them and opened them up. Yeah. >> Yeah, cuz they were playing really long.
    25:10
    Yeah, cuz they were playing really long.
    25:10
    Yeah, cuz they were playing really long. When we first got here and he turned them on, people were playing forever. And so he he he made it a little bit harder. But my only I've only played Beetlejuice twice. Okay, I my complaint is I can't find the shots. It's it's a Jamie issue. I just can't find them. And >> Well, and in your defense, when I first
    25:30
    Well, and in your defense, when I first
    25:30
    Well, and in your defense, when I first got it, Cayle, I I I talked about this in my video on Beetlejuice. When I first got it, I I had a hard time with the shots for like the first probably 10 to 15 games. And then it started like, "Oh my gosh, this is so fun." So, I get that though. Like you need to We just need to go play it more. You will you will get it. >> I'm I just need I've only played two, so
    25:50
    I'm I just need I've only played two, so
    25:50
    I'm I just need I've only played two, so it's not a fair assessment on a game that's so gorgeous. >> who cares? He whooped his ass. Whooped
    25:55
    who cares? He whooped his ass. Whooped
    25:55
    who cares? He whooped his ass. Whooped his ass. We should close up the tent. >> Whooped it. We should just close up the
    25:58
    Whooped it. We should just close up the
    25:58
    Whooped it. We should just close up the tent and then just go in there and rage for an hour. We should. >> [laughter]
    26:01
    [laughter]
    26:01
    [laughter] >> It's your tent, dude. You can do
    26:02
    It's your tent, dude. You can do
    26:02
    It's your tent, dude. You can do whatever you want. We're tied, by the way, right now. >> I know. We're tied three to three,
    26:06
    I know. We're tied three to three,
    26:06
    I know. We're tied three to three, Cayle. Um but it is absolutely beautiful. Uh it it's a stunning game and you it's going to look so good at the back. It's going to print money for you. I'm I'm sure it will. Yeah. I think people are going to love it. All right, Don. What else do you want to talk to us? I don't want to take you too long. Yeah, sure. Uh how about the home brew section? It's amazing, kicking off crazy. I recorded some callouts in this booth right here. So, explain that to people, Donny, because we haven't even talked about that. Explain what what Dirty Pool's got going on. >> Dirty Pool has a a booth right here and
    26:38
    Dirty Pool has a a booth right here and
    26:38
    Dirty Pool has a a booth right here and a script, and you can just come in, reserve a time, and record the callouts of this thing for the home brew community, and they're going to put together a file so if you're a home brewer, you can draw from, and you have all these voices to pull from to put, you know, common call-outs in there. Multi-ball. So, you can play a two. You could use Retro Ralph, Don, or I'll be much lower on the list, uh Jamie Birchall from the JBS show to get your call-outs. Multi-ball. >> What's really cool is I asked him, I
    27:08
    What's really cool is I asked him, I
    27:08
    What's really cool is I asked him, I said, "This is What's awesome about Jeff is that he's doing this for free, basically." And And he does that for his career. So, I mean, he's he's like, "It's probably going to take me a good 8 hours to sift through all of it and create the package, but I just think it's cool that he's going to contribute his time for all these people that are building pinball machines. It's just an awesome thing. But he But he's got like you can't see it, but there's a little like sound booth that he constructed. It's like right to the left of us. And he just he gives you the script, like Don said, you just read them off. It was It was actually pretty fun to do. Yeah, it took 5 minutes, Kyle. You read It's not even 5. Two two three minutes, you read them off. Bonus ball. You know, whatever. Play a four. >> Yeah, so Was that your Was that your
    27:47
    Yeah, so Was that your Was that your
    27:47
    Yeah, so Was that your Was that your voice? >> Tickle balls. I forget what I did. It It
    27:49
    Tickle balls. I forget what I did. It It
    27:49
    Tickle balls. I forget what I did. It It sounded cool. >> [laughter]
    27:51
    [laughter]
    27:51
    [laughter] >> I didn't have headphones on. I get
    27:52
    I didn't have headphones on. I get
    27:52
    I didn't have headphones on. I get inside my head and do radio voice when I have headphones. Um but they The homebrew section is is the biggest that TPS ever had. Um it's not as quite as big as Expo, but it's going to get there, Kyle. Yeah, it's pretty solid. I mean, my my I'm trying to think of what my favorite thing in the homebrew section probably >> in Little China again is is is is still
    28:12
    in Little China again is is is is still
    28:12
    in Little China again is is is is still a big hit. And then Top Gun, which uh released here. And the sound package and some of the shots on Top Gun are The spinner The spinner sound on Top Gun is pretty badass, actually. >> you guys hear what they're doing with
    28:25
    you guys hear what they're doing with
    28:25
    you guys hear what they're doing with Bootlegger? No. What that whole project is? No. So, that's a team that got together and they they want to make a game that it's going to be open source. And so, they're going to have uh I think Marco's going to carry the parts for it. And you can get a flat pack cabinet to put together and you can build this at home and follow YouTube instruction videos step-by-step to recreate that game. Dude, that is freaking sick. >> Smart.
    28:47
    Smart.
    28:47
    Smart. >> Yeah, like if you want to, you know,
    28:48
    Yeah, like if you want to, you know,
    28:48
    Yeah, like if you want to, you know, you're intimidated but you want to build something, you can buy this and essentially IKEA yourself a game and learn the process. >> So I bet So I bet they'll you'll also be
    28:56
    So I bet So I bet they'll you'll also be
    28:56
    So I bet So I bet they'll you'll also be able to put the callouts that Dirty Pool on it, right? If it's open open like that. >> you learn the process, then it's yours
    29:03
    you learn the process, then it's yours
    29:03
    you learn the process, then it's yours to kind of adapt. How fun, yeah. That is what you I'll probably do that when you do it. Absolutely, 100%. That's pretty cool. >> Jamie's like, "I'm not putting [ __ ]
    29:11
    Jamie's like, "I'm not putting [ __ ]
    29:11
    Jamie's like, "I'm not putting [ __ ] together." >> putting anything together. I don't even
    29:13
    putting anything together. I don't even
    29:13
    putting anything together. I don't even put IKEA [ __ ] together. Well, I'll do it. I'll do it as a I think it'll be fun. I'll totally do that. >> Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm in. I like to
    29:20
    Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm in. I like to
    29:20
    Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm in. I like to tinker, so, you know. Well, Don and Kale, real quick, while we have Donnie here for another minute, uh we tried to bridge the gap between Genghis Jangasan and and my boy here, Ralph. >> working yet. No, we're not there.
    29:35
    working yet. No, we're not there.
    29:35
    working yet. No, we're not there. We're not there yet. We're just not there yet. So we'll Ralph might have to fly to Denmark. I want to believe we're making some headway. You do? >> Yeah, yeah, I think What what you doing?
    29:45
    Yeah, yeah, I think What what you doing?
    29:45
    Yeah, yeah, I think What what you doing? But am I going to have to fly to Denmark to do it? >> Potentially, depends on how it goes.
    29:48
    Potentially, depends on how it goes.
    29:48
    Potentially, depends on how it goes. [laughter] Why don't you fly to the Netherlands? I'm going to go to the Netherlands and go, like, "Where is he?" And Don's like, "I'm I'm in Denmark, Ralph. He doesn't live in the Netherlands." It's It's Genghis, it's going to take me some time. I'm working on it. >> [laughter]
    30:02
    [laughter]
    30:02
    [laughter] >> I love you, buddy. Come back. Come on,
    30:04
    I love you, buddy. Come back. Come on,
    30:04
    I love you, buddy. Come back. Come on, man. Yeah, it's all going to work out. All right. Donnie, thank you. Donnie, you're the Of course. You're the best, guys. Kale, always a pleasure, sir. Good seeing you, Don. All right, brother. Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it. All right. All right, that was fun. That was great. I think with I I I think since we didn't talk about this, I put it in the show notes, but I think it was really cool, Kale, how many people came up to us and just said how much they enjoy the round table. Like, that's one of my favorite shows. It feels like three guys just hanging out shooting the [ __ ] about pinball. >> that a lot. Like, a lot of people.
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    that a lot. Like, a lot of people.
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    that a lot. Like, a lot of people. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> A lot of people came and said that to us
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    A lot of people came and said that to us
    30:45
    A lot of people came and said that to us like where's Kale? We got a lot of where's Kale and where's Rachel and then we got a lot of you know what I love about the round table it's just three dudes hanging out. So that was cool. That was so it's very appreciative of everyone who came up to us and thank you for you know watching and supporting the content for sure. Oh my god and my son's in the chat Colin Bertch yeah he puts all the IKEA stuff together for me. All right well so your son will put this this pinball machine together. You want to put a pinball machine together brother? You let us let me know. Let's go back to the notes here. So we can't talk. I've told this story and so many times Kale that Ralph's upset with me. But my hand is a serious issue here. All right let me show you this hand. Let me show you can you see it? Yeah. But I you know I saw the photo. I mean it looks it it appears like a boxer's fracture.
    31:41
    All right so here's what happened. You know what I'm you know what I'm talking about? It does like a boxer's fracture. >> just can I just the third and fourth
    31:45
    just can I just the third and fourth
    31:45
    just can I just the third and fourth metacarpal I can mute my headset so I don't have to go away.
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    Ladies and gentlemen I'm walking down Christopher Tranchy who's that? That's he's always in our chat. He's always in our chat he's the best. But that's not that's not Christopher Tranchy. No no sir. They're never seen in the same place at the same time. Okay thank you so much Christopher Tranchy. And Janine Bertch is here. I don't think I've ever seen Ralph's hair before. Yeah I was wearing a hat. The hair's kind of messy right now but it's okay. Yeah it's funny cuz it's kind of like you have you have an alter ego you have the the Garth Brooks and then the Chris Gaines which you're doing right now. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> You remember that one? Switch it up.
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    You remember that one? Switch it up.
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    You remember that one? Switch it up. I switch it up for people. That's awesome. So anyway my hand is broken and it's not broken. [laughter] Kale well, even had a nurse. There was a nurse at the Stern party. I brought her over to assess Jamie's hand and she's like, "Look, I've been a nurse forever and I've never had anybody come in that broke their hand from a handshake. It's not broken. It's just uh it's just really badly bruised. So, I'm going to get a sling. There's a first time for everything. So, anyway, [laughter] That thing that looks broken. A guy shook my hand and crushed it in his meat paws. And now I'm uh giving fist bumps the rest of my life. Never going to shake a hand the rest of my life. >> look In your defense, it does look
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    look In your defense, it does look
    33:14
    look In your defense, it does look pretty bad and he did come in He I thought he was just going to suplex you or something. I wasn't sure what was going on. But now that Don's not here, I need to find those shots on Beetlejuice because it's frustrating me, Kale. Yeah, he was he was Kale, he was I saw him. He was actually like kind of Like you were just pissed that you weren't hitting the shots. >> I'm just irritated with it. I can't find
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    I'm just irritated with it. I can't find
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    I'm just irritated with it. I can't find them. He'll get it. Um Okay, let's go What What do you want to talk about, Kale? Uh I mean, you guys tell me what's going on out there. Um You You guys You guys are on the scene. So, What manufacturers have The Stern booth is not run by Marco for the first time at TPF. It's run by Fun. Yeah, it's like a distributor or whatever. >> And um those lines are huge to get your
    34:03
    And um those lines are huge to get your
    34:03
    And um those lines are huge to get your Pokémon. No achievements, though. Little bummed at that. >> Yeah, there's been I would say the the
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    Yeah, there's been I would say the the
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    Yeah, there's been I would say the the it There's There's definitely like a constant flow of people in that Stern area. The my only my only bummer about it is it's super tight, Kale, to the point where you you feel like you're in like like sardines in a can. It's just It's almost too It's It just They don't space it out enough. But people seem to be enjoying Pokémon and uh I was talking to someone in line and I was We were We were talking about Why do I always call it Arctic Yeti? I don't know why I keep calling it >> calling it you
    34:37
    calling it you
    34:37
    calling it you What were you calling it? I called it Arctic Beaver. I've been called it everything but what it actually is. I don't know why but Kevin He was comparing We were comparing that game to to Pokémon. He was just saying he's like look this game is just really fun for me and he didn't have as much fun but his his fun factor was the same thing issue I have. It was the music and the callouts. He He's like I really was expecting something more. So hopefully that's an opportunity for Chris between now and when it's in people's homes or arcades to make that better, you know. We are joined by the one and only Bro, Do You Even Talk Pinball? Formerly Yeah, it is officially formerly now I guess. Yeah, that's weird but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Introduce yourself, sir. Yeah, I'm Kevin Manny Buffalo Pinball. You might know me from that. Now I'm working with Multimorphic, yeah, so So congrats, dude. >> Yeah, congrats to that. That's awesome.
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    Yeah, congrats to that. That's awesome.
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    Yeah, congrats to that. That's awesome. Congratulations. Since we got to talk to Jerry, I got to talk to you on the floor and Jerry was relieved that they weren't launching a game. Just he can kind of just enjoy the show. Yeah, he seemed like he's like this is fun cuz I get to actually just watch people and play my games and just talk to everybody. >> Yeah, it's kind of wild because normally
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    Yeah, it's kind of wild because normally
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    Yeah, it's kind of wild because normally I don't come to TPF because they invite me down to do the streams and that's usually a a couple weeks before TPF and I have a day job too so I can't like okay I'm going to Texas and then like two two weeks later I have to go back to Texas again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To play more pinball. So I would come down do the streams and I go to TPF so I didn't never really knew like kind of what the vibe was down here for them and yeah so what they've been saying is that this is a a more chill like everybody just come out, hang out, play the games, talk to talk to everybody at the company and and learn more about the P3. So this is it's great to have you here. What is your official role with with Multimorphic and the P3 module? >> So I don't I don't think they ever gave
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    So I don't I don't think they ever gave
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    So I don't I don't think they ever gave me an official title, but yeah, I I do communications and social media, media relations. That's what I do in my day job. I do like public relations, so uh you know, communications work, social media, all that. So, if you've been seeing like some of the content that's been coming up on the Multimorphic channels lately, uh we've been getting really good results with those. Super happy with that, and so that's some of the work I've been doing, yeah. >> That is awesome. And so, Kale, at the at
    36:53
    That is awesome. And so, Kale, at the at
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    That is awesome. And so, Kale, at the at the booth, the Multimorphic booth, how many machines do you have set up? 13, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good-sized booth, and it's spaced out nice, so it's not all crowded in there. It's really >> Yeah, they were saying they kind of like
    37:03
    Yeah, they were saying they kind of like
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    Yeah, they were saying they kind of like this new space. I guess they moved where the seminar room is. Right, so they've got like a little more spread out area. They got a little table you can chill at. Yeah, some some giveaways and stuff. I should say hi to Kale, too, by the way. >> Hi, Kale. What's up, Kale? Kevin Kevin,
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    Hi, Kale. What's up, Kale? Kevin Kevin,
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    Hi, Kale. What's up, Kale? Kevin Kevin, I have a question for you. So, as you know, uh you know, Bro, Do You Even Talk Pinball? has been one of my favorite podcasts, pinball podcast. Not not just pinball podcast, podcast period, for years. And uh I was so upset when you disappeared, and it looked like it was just going away, and then bam, they come back with Joe Cheverino. Yeah. >> Can you tell us is it going to continue
    37:39
    Can you tell us is it going to continue
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    Can you tell us is it going to continue with that duo? Are there going to be other uh guest hosts? What's What's going on? Can you give us some insight? So, yeah, we can't If you haven't followed along, so I've been doing the podcast with Nick for like 10-plus years now. And uh you know, this is a new opportunity for me. You know, I put a lot of time and energy into Twitch and content creation like you guys do, and I know it takes a lot of work and time and energy and all that, and I was like, you know, maybe it's time to try something new. And I had an opportunity with Multimorphic. I've been working there for with them for for a number of years now, so I'm like, let me shift my energy to that. Yeah. >> And then, I told Nick, I was like, it
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    And then, I told Nick, I was like, it
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    And then, I told Nick, I was like, it doesn't mean the podcast has to end. This is as much your show as it is mine, right? So, um you know, if you want to have a guest host, you know, it doesn't have to be monthly anymore. So, my understanding is Nick's going to do it quarterly, you know, a couple times a year, four or five four or five times a year. And then he's going to he's planning on having rotating guests. Um but or rotating host co-host I should say. Um but if somebody I guess if somebody lands and they're really popular and it works really well, then it could end up being Joe or somebody else I guess we'll see. Are you auditioning, Cal? Is that the Yeah, you leaving us? What the hell, Cal? Do you guys want to see who turns being [laughter] co-host on the on the podcast or what? Yeah, that'd be a blast. I'm concerned. I'm concerned now. Oh, [ __ ] There goes the round table. The round table's blown up. Oh, [ __ ] I did want to say I'm very honored to be on the the round table because I heard you're not having special guests anymore. So >> [laughter]
    39:08
    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> Well, that's a bad topic. We don't talk
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    Well, that's a bad topic. We don't talk
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    Well, that's a bad topic. We don't talk about that. All right. All right. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> Never mind. Never mind. Well, he
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    Never mind. Never mind. Well, he
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    Never mind. Never mind. Well, he See, he put his foot in his mouth, you know. It happens. It's all right. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> It's okay. Uh no, lines been good
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    It's okay. Uh no, lines been good
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    It's okay. Uh no, lines been good throughout the show. A lot of people getting to play multimorphic. We're going to go over there uh tonight, I think. Cuz there's a from midnight to 1:00 tonight is like the VIP experience. And I I'm like an industry guy now. I get to do that stuff. That's awesome. You got a great badge there. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> Is this I heard we needed something else
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    Is this I heard we needed something else
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    Is this I heard we needed something else though. This gets us into that? I think this is all you need. All right. Good. Okay. Cuz someone was saying that we I wasn't authorized. I was like, wait, I think the red badge gets me in, but I don't know. It might be like that VIP room you guys were looking for. Yeah, [laughter] that's Yeah, that Oh, we need to tell that story now. That's so funny actually. Oh my gosh. We walked around for this VIP room and we're you know, we're intoxicated. We're trying to find this VIP room. We finally walked Well, you have to think of the backstory. I kept feeding them like, hey, this is like for the media. This probably going to be super cool. There might even be a game in there. There's some food and craft services. I was I was So I So they the expectations were high that we were going to come to some Mecca room that was just going to be amazing. It was going to be the promised land. It was going to be air conditioned with all the treats that we could possibly think of. And so we we he he had me do it. I was going down the hallway opening up every single door because we didn't know the name of it for a while. So we finally find it. Kyle, I open the door, we rush in, and it's just a super bright room, two tables and chairs, and a pitcher of water, and that's it. That was all that was in there. Yeah, it was dude. Took us 30 minutes to find it. And there was a Chris Hansen in the corner? >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> Uh we did go into the tournament room.
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    Uh we did go into the tournament room.
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    Uh we did go into the tournament room. Did you go in the tournament room at all? I have Where is the tournament room? Right next to the VIP room. Uh it's upstairs. It's upstairs. Yeah. The smell out of this room, Kyle? No. Is it that bad? Yes, it's terrible because it's it's 7,000 degrees. When we walked in, everyone looked at us like, "Please save us. Please save me. I need to get out of here." It was Like body odor is a problem at Is it Is it B.O. or is it flatulence? Or a mix? B.O. Why not both? Yeah. It's more [laughter] B.O. B.O. and the above. I think the air conditioner in this tournament room is broken. They had like two fans. They had floor fans, but they weren't even really working. Okay, and pinball people are not the Come on, guys and girls. Just put on the deodorant. >> I don't even know if it's a deodorant
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    I don't even know if it's a deodorant
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    I don't even know if it's a deodorant issue. It's so hot. Like I don't think I would smell very good either if I was up there for 6 hours in like >> a humid hot room.
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    a humid hot room.
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    a humid hot room. >> It's also like 90° in Texas right now.
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    It's also like 90° in Texas right now.
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    It's also like 90° in Texas right now. So I came from Buffalo where it was like 20° when I left. I was like, "What am I getting myself into here?" Yeah. Welcome to the sun. Yeah, exactly. Uh but it's common everywhere. >> Do you think for competitive pinball, do
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    Do you think for competitive pinball, do
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    Do you think for competitive pinball, do you think it might be a tactic? Cuz you know, like at the gym I train at, some of the wrestlers, when they have competitions, they they won't they won't shower for like a week before the competition. Maybe it's a tactic. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Ask your buddy Mark if that was his move or Yeah. Uh but anyway, uh the tourna- what do you think about the show? I mean, is this your first CPF? >> No, I came
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    No, I came
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    No, I came uh 2019, I think I was here last time. >> Okay. Um that's
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    Okay. Um that's
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    Okay. Um that's that's the I'm just trying to remember like what the new games were that year. Anyways, it's it's been a while. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but it you know, it was time to come back and I'm happy to be back. It's always such a good show. Um you know, it's it's big, but it's it feels more like a like a fan show than an industry show than So, that's what I was trying to say. That it verbatim it you stole from from Rob is what Go ahead. Talk about that. >> that's how I feel. I feel like it it
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    that's how I feel. I feel like it it
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    that's how I feel. I feel like it it doesn't even though there are industry people here, it just feels more like I don't know, like a hometown show. It doesn't have this big and also it doesn't Expo's just a giant cement room and this being carpeted and I don't know, it's just the light like the all the ceiling is darker. It just I don't know, the whole vibe of it is completely different and and it I love that it's freaking carpeted cuz in Expo I'm like trashed in 30 minutes my feet hurt. So, Yeah, same. It helps like keep the noise level down a little bit. Yeah, that's a good point. thing reverberates all over the place. Like it's a little bit more reasonable. Yeah. So, no, it's a cool show. I I really dig it, but So, how about you guys? You you both been, right? This is my first one. So, yeah. >> one. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.
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    one. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.
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    one. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. >> 2019 was my first.
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    2019 was my first.
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    2019 was my first. >> Okay. And I've been every show Well, the
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    Okay. And I've been every show Well, the
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    Okay. And I've been every show Well, the 2020 got canceled and then uh so, I've been to every show since. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great show. Highly recommended if you haven't come. Yeah, and there's still time. I mean, there's time tomorrow. I don't know what we're doing tomorrow. Just after her off, but today I'm I'm dragging big time. Oh yeah. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> I got like
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    I got like
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    I got like 5 hours of sleep last night. Pretty much. I don't even know if I got that. I got a napping now Kevin. I yeah, same. I love I love a good nap. I'm coming home as a different man. My wife's going to be like what are you doing? I'm napping. This is what I do I nap. I got him napping. >> training. He gave me nap training. It's
    44:29
    training. He gave me nap training. It's
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    training. He gave me nap training. It's great. Well we don't want to hold you that long. Good power nap. I just want to ask you something real quick. Though about like how's the how's the reception been cuz I'm in portals been around for a little while but I know that code's been updated a couple times. Like how's it going over there? >> great. I think portals really changed
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    great. I think portals really changed
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    great. I think portals really changed perceptions about the P3 you know with that extended module down. Everybody's always said you know the screen it all the shots are so far away. Even though you know when you when you look at it the it's I think it's that straight line across the back is like a visual like people can't see past that. It's a kind of like a an optical illusion a little bit. But the walls and scoops are like kind of like where most shots are on a traditional pinball machine but bringing stuff down even closer people are like oh wow let's like all right this is next level right. I can't wait to see what's coming next. There's some cool stuff coming next. I've seen it. Okay. Have you seen it? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So dungeon I can't tell you but Dungeon crawler Carl or is that you guys you doing that one? I mean At least it sounds cool. He's not going to tell [laughter] you man. I heard it was baby shark actually. I love how he just said I can't say anything and then you're like >> [laughter]
    45:32
    [laughter]
    45:32
    [laughter] >> at least you went for it. You went for
    45:33
    at least you went for it. You went for
    45:33
    at least you went for it. You went for it. He did not go for it. You're doing the podcast you got to ask the questions. I I dropped that nugget out there for you and you fell right for it. >> [laughter]
    45:41
    [laughter]
    45:41
    [laughter] >> So could I can I ask is the
    45:43
    So could I can I ask is the
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    So could I can I ask is the is this is this an update to the platform or is the platform staying the same? >> I can't talk anything about what's
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    I can't talk anything about what's
    45:49
    I can't talk anything about what's coming next but you guys just stay tuned. Cool stuff coming. Okay cool. Well we're excited. Like soonish or >> [laughter]
    45:56
    [laughter]
    45:56
    [laughter] >> I love this man. You guys are trying
    45:58
    I love this man. You guys are trying
    45:58
    I love this man. You guys are trying real hard. If If told you guys anything I wouldn't be working with Multimorphic Well you're doing a good job. You're doing a good job. That's why you got hired. That's right. That's why you got hired and that's why NDAs work. But, you know, you can't fault us for trying, brother. >> Well, it's it's honestly like you can't
    46:12
    Well, it's it's honestly like you can't
    46:12
    Well, it's it's honestly like you can't spoil that that initial hype, you know. It's good to It's good to, you know, speculation, you know, builds up excitement and stuff, too. But, like we saw stuff where games got launched and then it took forever for them to come out and it's like you need that you need that real excitement hype and you don't want to spoil that ahead of time. I'm not going to do that to those guys and I guess that I'm one of those guys now, so >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
    46:31
    [laughter] >> Appreciate that.
    46:32
    Appreciate that.
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    Appreciate that. >> Well, you're the best. Thank you for
    46:34
    Well, you're the best. Thank you for
    46:34
    Well, you're the best. Thank you for stopping in. >> Yeah, I appreciate the invite and Kale,
    46:37
    Yeah, I appreciate the invite and Kale,
    46:37
    Yeah, I appreciate the invite and Kale, you know, if you want to co-host with Nick, I'll let you know. Okay, thank you. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
    46:41
    [laughter] >> All right, guys. Yeah, thanks so much. And on seriousness, absolutely one of my favorite shows, honestly, and I have been a fanboy of yours for a long time. So, the fact that you know my name is [ __ ] awesome. Look at this. Got the right team. See you guys. Thanks, brother. All right. All right. Jamie, it's happening. What's that? I'm going to do a show with Nick. I know, dude. You're going to dump us? You're going to have the most It's the most unhinged pinball podcast you've ever seen in your life. You and Nick would be a disaster together. You'd be like, "That piece of shit." >> [laughter]
    47:20
    [laughter]
    47:20
    [laughter] >> Oh, man. That'd be fire.
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    Oh, man. That'd be fire.
    47:24
    Oh, man. That'd be fire. That is awesome. All right, let's go back to the notes. I think that's our last guest. We might have Carrie Hardy might come in. Where Where's he, Mota? I don't know. Did you have She's She's so all over, man. She's been running around everywhere. Call Call Carrie. I'm not going to call him. If he comes, he comes. Yeah, if he comes, it's cool. All right. So, what um what do we got? >> American Pinball. Mhm. I broke my hand.
    47:49
    American Pinball. Mhm. I broke my hand.
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    American Pinball. Mhm. I broke my hand. We did the VIP. You can You can't Yeti or whatever the hell you were calling it. Beaver. Yeah, Arctic Beaver. >> Bobby Order. Tournament room. All right,
    47:58
    Bobby Order. Tournament room. All right,
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    Bobby Order. Tournament room. All right, the Stern Army party. That was pretty fun. Yeah, the Stern Army party was good. We just, you know, kind of we just kind of hung out and talked and chilled. >> it?
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    it?
    48:08
    it? It's just at the bar, like that bar in the hotel. Yeah, it's I mean it's not like It was fine It was fine in the bar, you know. Um What do you think about this hotel itself? The hotel's kind of piece of [ __ ] I mean. >> of a piece of [ __ ] Cal. Yeah, it's a
    48:23
    of a piece of [ __ ] Cal. Yeah, it's a
    48:23
    of a piece of [ __ ] Cal. Yeah, it's a shitty hotel, but um Like it's it's wea- it's weathered, you know, weathered. >> I like how the people that work there
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    I like how the people that work there
    48:29
    I like how the people that work there stop behind you as you're saying that. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> Okay? What What a What a [ __ ] hotel this
    48:35
    Okay? What What a What a [ __ ] hotel this
    48:35
    Okay? What What a What a [ __ ] hotel this is. Oh, no. They were like, "What the hell what are you saying?" >> [laughter]
    48:43
    [laughter]
    48:43
    [laughter] >> I So, I'm staying at the hotel across
    48:44
    I So, I'm staying at the hotel across
    48:44
    I So, I'm staying at the hotel across the way, which is the Hyatt Regency. It's It's It's It's kind of bougie over there. Like it feels like you're going to this bougie place now. >> Yeah. But I just I just
    48:51
    Yeah. But I just I just
    48:51
    Yeah. But I just I just >> Every time I drop his ass off, I'm
    48:53
    Every time I drop his ass off, I'm
    48:53
    Every time I drop his ass off, I'm pissed off. >> [laughter]
    48:55
    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> I'm here to
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    I'm here to
    48:56
    I'm here to uh So So, the chat is asking about Barrels. Do they have a booth? Do they bring Winchester? What's What's going on? Okay, so Barrels set up pretty impressive. Uh Barrels brought two Winchesters, two Dunes, two Labyrinths, but there's a VIP room. Yeah, there's an exclusive room. >> room. It's a They're calling it the
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    room. It's a They're calling it the
    49:16
    room. It's a They're calling it the quiet room. >> Yeah, it's it's killer, dude, because
    49:19
    Yeah, it's it's killer, dude, because
    49:19
    Yeah, it's it's killer, dude, because they got all the games cranked up audio, so you can really you can really like focus on them. They got all of them all of them updated with the latest audio packages. It sounds It sounds awesome. So, Brian Savage and uh some of the guy the line workers brought us in there. We Well, when we went in, it was super sweet because no one it I don't know if it was open yet, cuz it was it was only like us and them, right? There was no one in there yet. So, it was kind of sweet. We had a little bit of like a private time with Winchester and Dune and Labyrinth, which we played a little bit, too. >> And we went out to dinner with Travis
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    And we went out to dinner with Travis
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    And we went out to dinner with Travis Mosiman. That was awesome, actually. That was great. And uh Travis we were trying to pull as much information from Travis, too. He is He's a vault. He wouldn't give us anything. Designer of Dune. But the room itself is really cool because you can hear Jeff Dotson's Yeah, it's it totally showcases the audio. His People here are not going to be able to to experience that unless they can get into this room. And it's for It's not just for VIPs. Not the word VIP. It's really for barrels owners. Hey, brother. Camera. And um But I will say this though, that those games tail like I don't I think in a bar people would enjoy them. But if you're at a home, they Dune is like Dune went from something that I didn't care at all about to it's freaking amazing now. Like it is really really solid. Um like the gameplay is awesome and it's so deep. The rules like Jeff was going through the rules with us on that game. >> Yeah, Jeff tained like maybe 10% of what
    50:51
    Yeah, Jeff tained like maybe 10% of what
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    Yeah, Jeff tained like maybe 10% of what he was saying, but I was like he was he was doing surge level almost like surge level analysis on it. Yeah. But that game's fun, man. Like it's a cool game. And the lighting The lighting and the sound and all the orchestration of that game is it's like top notch. And that and Winchester. So I'm excited to see what they do next and I hope whatever they do will be something that isn't so limited run, so maybe I could buy it, but Right. You know, Winchester is is Winchester's so [ __ ] good, dude. >> if you were to ask us what our favorite
    51:22
    if you were to ask us what our favorite
    51:22
    if you were to ask us what our favorite game is that we played in here, Winchester's definitely up there. >> me it's Winchester all day long. It's so
    51:29
    me it's Winchester all day long. It's so
    51:29
    me it's Winchester all day long. It's so good. It It It And it The The code's gotten even better. Mhm. And it's shooting really great. Um especially in that room because it's not getting the play. There's no flipper. >> thing is awesome. The The magnet that
    51:43
    thing is awesome. The The magnet that
    51:43
    thing is awesome. The The magnet that stops the ball where the where the um I always forget the name of that technology. It's old school technology. The thing that Pepper's ghost. Yeah, where the Pepper's ghost thing happens and then it like the magnet like sucks the ball in and then there's this like cool shot. Yeah, and the spider web. Yeah, it's so damn cool. It looks like it's, you know, just like in the old like Space Invaders and all those games that use that Pepper's ghost effect. It looks so freaking bad ass. I don't know. That game I can't I I really wish they would consider making more of them, but I know they're not going to. That's one I just want to own. I want to own it so bad. And and it's, you know, you don't come across games Hey, here he is. >> We actually We were literally We were
    52:20
    We actually We were literally We were
    52:20
    We actually We were literally We were literally giving a virtual >> we're talking about you. Did someone say
    52:23
    we're talking about you. Did someone say
    52:23
    we're talking about you. Did someone say Winchester? >> We were giving a virtual BJ to
    52:25
    We were giving a virtual BJ to
    52:25
    We were giving a virtual BJ to Winchester. >> My ears were ringing. Sadacow. Hi Kale.
    52:30
    My ears were ringing. Sadacow. Hi Kale.
    52:30
    My ears were ringing. Sadacow. Hi Kale. Hey, what's up Jeff? Why do you look like you're not in Texas? Cuz remote. [laughter] I'm in Arizona. Um we were just giving you props on First of all, thank you for taking us to that VIP room and the quiet room. It's not really just for VIPs and stuff. It's just in order to keep it from being >> We felt really special.
    52:50
    We felt really special.
    52:50
    We felt really special. >> it was it was honestly it was named for
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    it was it was honestly it was named for
    52:52
    it was it was honestly it was named for the Retro Ralph and Jeff BS room. No, thank you so much. No, it's just we didn't want it to be overly congested. So, it was just like when people showed interest in the game, we'd be like, "Hey, well, if you really want to check it out, it's over there." Cool. But, yeah. Um Yeah, we were just saying and that it's it's just one of our favorite games that we played here to show. Thank you. Are you saying that cuz I sat here? >> No, no. We We We We tried Go back and
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    No, no. We We We We tried Go back and
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    No, no. We We We We tried Go back and rewind. You'll see. All right. I'll have to rewind it. What's what time code are we at? My voice is shot. Yeah, where are we at actually? Are we Are we We're not even an hour in yet. I can't believe that. So, if if you just joined us, Jeff Dotson, Dirty Pool Pinball, joining us here, set up a sound booth and we talked about that in detail with Don from Don's Pinball Podcast. And we gave you total props of what you're doing for the home brew community with your free time and thank you so much, dude. Yeah, it's awesome. >> For for for that. I mean, they killed
    53:47
    For for for that. I mean, they killed
    53:47
    For for for that. I mean, they killed it. Just like Expo, there's so many creative games here. I really like the the racing run. I think it's called Turbo Time. Definitely worth checking it out. Um I did a few interviews for him, but just like the games don't have callouts, and you can't just like magically make it happen. So >> Yeah.
    54:01
    Yeah.
    54:01
    Yeah. that's what this is for. Some people here have really great radio voices. Some people have voiceover experience. There's going to be some awesome callouts. And then there's some there's just like a little girl that wanted to do it. >> have a whole mashup.
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    have a whole mashup.
    54:11
    have a whole mashup. >> Yeah. It's pretty cool.
    54:12
    Yeah. It's pretty cool.
    54:12
    Yeah. It's pretty cool. >> You're going to have a ton to pull from.
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    You're going to have a ton to pull from.
    54:13
    You're going to have a ton to pull from. What you said it was like 4 hours or Yeah, I mean, we had over 55, 60 people that did it, you know, callout sheets about 30, 40 callouts plus extra time if they wanted to. So it's yeah. Uh chat is asking what would your feeling on Yukon Yeti? >> I haven't played it yet. I keep getting
    54:29
    I haven't played it yet. I keep getting
    54:29
    I haven't played it yet. I keep getting in line and then I keep leaving the line. >> It's only those two games. I'm going to
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    It's only those two games. I'm going to
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    It's only those two games. I'm going to play it. It looks amazing. I like Whitewater. I think this looks like a more developed version of Whitewater. I talked to Nordman about it. He's like the nicest guy. Yeah. >> And he's just like such a I don't know,
    54:43
    And he's just like such a I don't know,
    54:43
    And he's just like such a I don't know, man. He's like grandfather pinball kind of vibes, you know? Yeah. It's just it's I can't wait. I'm going to go get in line again after this. Yeah, I think maybe tonight the later hours will will probably be able to play it a lot easier, right? Cuz there'll be less There'll be less people in here. So So maybe we'll be able to play it more. I want to get more time on it personally, but I I do too, but Have you Have either of you played it? I played We both played twice. What is What's the vibe? Um it needs callouts from a guy named Jeff Dotson. >> Yeah, my thing I was
    55:13
    Yeah, my thing I was
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    Yeah, my thing I was my summary of it is >> some of the ones from the booth. Yeah,
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    some of the ones from the booth. Yeah,
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    some of the ones from the booth. Yeah, my summary of it is is it's like incomplete to me because I want it to like be this all-encompassing experience, and I feel like the gameplay is cool, but the other stuff isn't like bringing it all together. >> Yeah. And if And if it did, I I feel
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    Yeah. And if And if it did, I I feel
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    Yeah. And if And if it did, I I feel like it could go from a a good game to a great game. So that's kind of my Yeah. >> a fair assessment. I I I think so.
    55:38
    a fair assessment. I I I think so.
    55:38
    a fair assessment. I I I think so. That's how I actually That's 100% how I feel. Well, I'm not not calling you a liar. I believe you. >> No, no, no, I know. I'm just
    55:44
    No, no, no, I know. I'm just
    55:44
    No, no, no, I know. I'm just >> [laughter]
    55:44
    [laughter]
    55:44
    [laughter] >> I mean, it's nice that you appreciate
    55:46
    I mean, it's nice that you appreciate
    55:46
    I mean, it's nice that you appreciate audio so much that it can it can be not good and impede the experience. I think that shows how important audio is. 100%. I think Chris is really open to feedback. I think that Chris has read a lot of that stuff and I I think that Turner is going to do something about that. >> All right, good. That'd be awesome.
    56:00
    All right, good. That'd be awesome.
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    All right, good. That'd be awesome. Well, there you go. All right. You heard it here first. But anyway, to put a bow on barrels, uh great job, big lines. They got barrel ball. It's 10:00. You better do it tonight. We tried to do it last night, but we were inebriated. Jeff, it wouldn't have it wouldn't have it wouldn't have been fun. The good thing about barrel ball is that you can be very drunk and still do well. That's [laughter] the best part about barrel ball. So, maybe we should do it tonight. Maybe we'll do it tonight at 10:00, but it's a really cool feature on which game? On all of them, right? Yeah, it It is on all of them. I think we did it on labyrinth yesterday. I think it'll probably be on labyrinth just cuz it's the most out of the booth of the games and it's easiest to make a line on. So. All right, Kale, any questions for Jeff? Uh when are you coming to Arizona? Dude, I would love to. I've never been to the bat. I've never been to the bat. >> That's sacrilegious.
    56:51
    That's sacrilegious.
    56:51
    That's sacrilegious. I I We will We will roll out the red carpet. >> want a red I want I [laughter] want I
    56:55
    want a red I want I [laughter] want I
    56:55
    want a red I want I [laughter] want I want I don't want a carpet. I want mud. We'll roll out the mud. Let me tell you and I and I say this all the time, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, if you want to go on the cheap, go in August, okay? It's cheap as hell. Southwest flies there for 200 bucks. It costs you like 200. >> that little place you rented was pretty
    57:14
    that little place you rented was pretty
    57:14
    that little place you rented was pretty It was like an It was weird, Jeff. They They Airbnb'd an apartment, which I thought was weird cuz I didn't even know you could Airbnb an apartment. I don't know if that's But you can, apparently. But it was a cool little setup, right? That place was legit. We only peed in there. It was awesome. I I can tell you right now, you want to stay out of the valley right now because everything is hyper expensive because of spring training. Yeah. So, wait wait for that to finish and then wait till after summer cuz it's about to get way too hot. I didn't mind it. >> come in the summer and it's just cheap
    57:46
    come in the summer and it's just cheap
    57:46
    come in the summer and it's just cheap and hot. >> and hot. Just stay at the back.
    57:48
    and hot. Just stay at the back.
    57:48
    and hot. Just stay at the back. >> I lived in Tucson for 5 years so I don't
    57:50
    I lived in Tucson for 5 years so I don't
    57:50
    I lived in Tucson for 5 years so I don't >> [laughter]
    57:50
    [laughter]
    57:50
    [laughter] >> I don't mind it. When you got it, you'll
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    I don't mind it. When you got it, you'll
    57:52
    I don't mind it. When you got it, you'll love it. No, Tucson's a different story. That'll be it could be 10 to 20° difference. Is it a Is it a worse story or a better story? Oh, Tucson's way cooler than Phoenix. Yeah, it's a worse story. >> Yeah, cuz the heat just kind of sits in
    58:06
    Yeah, cuz the heat just kind of sits in
    58:06
    Yeah, cuz the heat just kind of sits in the valley. It's a bummer. Anyway, uh Bowels is killing it and uh you got to go to the Bat though. Seriously, I want to. I know seriousness. Yeah. Take the fam, take them down. They'll They'll show you a great time and you got to come What I do, ladies and gentlemen, is I try to come in on a on a Saturday and catch the last Sunday of every month is Choose tournament. Am I right? Yep. Last Sunday. Last Sunday. So, what you do is you fly in on a Saturday, play Choose on a Sunday, and then play if you can get a spot because they're running I mean 120 to 100 20 plus people. >> Wow, that's a big tournament. Tuesdays.
    58:48
    Wow, that's a big tournament. Tuesdays.
    58:48
    Wow, that's a big tournament. Tuesdays. It's pretty solid. Yeah. Is it all on match play? How are you doing? >> Yeah, match play. Every week they do
    58:53
    Yeah, match play. Every week they do
    58:53
    Yeah, match play. Every week they do this. Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, you got to And And Rachel and I play in the tournament. I still don't know how you guys worked that all out, but you do. You somehow make it happen. >> He doesn't play on Choose cuz he streams
    59:04
    He doesn't play on Choose cuz he streams
    59:04
    He doesn't play on Choose cuz he streams it. People from our league have taken trips to Phoenix just to go to the Bat. It's awesome. I'm not I'm not even joking. That There was no other objective in Phoenix other than to go to the Bat. >> Yeah, I didn't do anything else but hang
    59:15
    Yeah, I didn't do anything else but hang
    59:15
    Yeah, I didn't do anything else but hang out with them. We had a blast. And when you And if you come down, we're going to do the same thing. We'll all hang out, have a good time. That's awesome. Hit me up cuz I'll I might go with you. Okay. All right. And Tails we can do that. That would be amazing. He has a cat and I'm allergic to cats. So, now get an Airbnb. We'll get an Airbnb. We don't want to bother him. We'll just get an Airbnb right in Tempe and they have Waymos. It's the greatest It's a great city. >> Have you rode Wait, did you ride in a
    59:41
    Have you rode Wait, did you ride in a
    59:41
    Have you rode Wait, did you ride in a Waymo? >> Hell yeah. They're all over LA and I'm
    59:44
    Hell yeah. They're all over LA and I'm
    59:44
    Hell yeah. They're all over LA and I'm just like like I want to >> [clears throat]
    59:46
    [clears throat]
    59:46
    [clears throat] >> but
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    but
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    but >> [laughter]
    59:46
    [laughter]
    59:47
    [laughter] >> you know
    59:47
    you know
    59:47
    you know >> the We were the test market for it. So,
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    the We were the test market for it. So,
    59:49
    the We were the test market for it. So, like they're pretty they they've been around for a while. They're They're They're fine. They're safe. I've gone in them a couple times. >> right off at It's Johnny It's Johnny Cab
    59:57
    right off at It's Johnny It's Johnny Cab
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    right off at It's Johnny It's Johnny Cab in real life. >> Yeah. And that that went down great.
    59:59
    Yeah. And that that went down great.
    59:59
    Yeah. And that that went down great. >> [laughter]
    59:59
    [laughter]
    59:59
    [laughter] >> Right? Yeah. Except without that part.
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    Right? Yeah. Except without that part.
    60:02
    Right? Yeah. Except without that part. >> Right.
    60:02
    Right.
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    Right. I never riding Johnny Cab. >> [laughter]
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    [laughter]
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    [laughter] >> It works out great.
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    It works out great.
    60:06
    It works out great. >> Yeah. Works good. Well, congrats on
    60:08
    Yeah. Works good. Well, congrats on
    60:08
    Yeah. Works good. Well, congrats on Barrels. Can't wait to see what's next from you guys. You're You're killing it. Obviously, you can't even buy a Dune or a Winchester now. So >> Yeah. Which sucks, but You know. How are
    60:19
    Yeah. Which sucks, but You know. How are
    60:19
    Yeah. Which sucks, but You know. How are we supposed to know how many people want to buy a game? No. I I You know, we talked to Brian a lot about the launch of Dune and and the resurgence that it had, you know, especially once you joined the organization and it it's a great machine. I got to play it in that room and you could really see the lights. What was the gentleman that you brought in there? >> talking about Trent and Eric who are
    60:45
    talking about Trent and Eric who are
    60:45
    talking about Trent and Eric who are responsible for doing all of the lighting effects and animations for it. Yeah. They have they you know, the how lighting system David and Brian talks about it on the seminar that they were frustrated with you know, how dark Labyrinth was and that there was feedback about how the game was a little dark. And they developed the how lighting system like a month before Dune was released. Wow. >> And part of it was the necessity of
    61:06
    And part of it was the necessity of
    61:06
    And part of it was the necessity of having like a day night cycle. And and then that went in and then Trent and Eric started making animations and utilizing the system and you know, after Winchester came out and then we went back and obviously revisited Dune. I think that we really found our legs and really developed that system and it's it's it's awesome. It's really cool. You were pointing out things to us. Like, obviously I've seen people play it and I played a bit myself, but there's just so many cool like orchestrated moments that go with what's going on in the game with the lighting. The lighting is like kind of next level lighting. It's pretty freaking awesome. >> Yeah. They're great. They're They did a
    61:35
    Yeah. They're great. They're They did a
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    Yeah. They're great. They're They did a killer job. Wow. Awesome. Thank you, dude. >> Dude, thanks for having me on.
    61:40
    Dude, thanks for having me on.
    61:40
    Dude, thanks for having me on. >> Oh, thank you, Jeff. Dude, you're the
    61:42
    Oh, thank you, Jeff. Dude, you're the
    61:42
    Oh, thank you, Jeff. Dude, you're the best, dude. You're the absolute best. No. Uh follow Dirty Pool Pinball on Twitch uh on all the socials uh and then hit him up for a t-shirt. Uh they they sell >> He's selling my t-shirt. So, the t-shirt
    61:55
    He's selling my t-shirt. So, the t-shirt
    61:55
    He's selling my t-shirt. So, the t-shirt changed my >> I got I got to pay to get to the
    61:56
    I got I got to pay to get to the
    61:56
    I got I got to pay to get to the bathroom. Like, how am I going to get there? >> Yeah, I know. It's nice.
    61:59
    Yeah, I know. It's nice.
    61:59
    Yeah, I know. It's nice. >> [laughter]
    62:01
    [laughter]
    62:01
    [laughter] >> God bless you, dude. Thank you, brother.
    62:02
    God bless you, dude. Thank you, brother.
    62:02
    God bless you, dude. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you, Jeff. Bye, Kale. I'm coming for you. All right, let's do it. >> Get that guest room ready.
    62:12
    Thank you, brother. That was fun. >> Yeah, that was fun. Um
    62:14
    Yeah, that was fun. Um
    62:14
    Yeah, that was fun. Um How we doing on uh We're an hour in. Yeah. What do you What do you think, Kale? Are we done? Are we keep going? You can't keep going. What else? We didn't address the chat much. Should we be ignoring the [ __ ] out of the chat? Um Can you guys take it from the top? Let [laughter] that Serge, ladies and gentlemen, Serge. >> Ladies and gentlemen, Serge. Serge,
    62:31
    Ladies and gentlemen, Serge. Serge,
    62:31
    Ladies and gentlemen, Serge. Serge, what's up, man? He's the best. I did have someone actually, when we were in the Beetlejuice tent, Kale, there was a guy that came up to me and his name is escaping me, but he said he's personal friends with you and Rachel. Mhm. And he wants he wants us to go to his house to play the P3. And he's like, "Do you think Serge would come along, too?" Uh I don't know. I I He said he's going to reach out to you guys. So, um so I I first I didn't catch his name cuz I was in the middle of a bunch of stuff, but uh he's a nice dude. But, he said he knows you guys personally, so Does he live in Phoenix? Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Did you catch some of that?
    63:09
    Yes. Okay. Did you catch some of that?
    63:09
    Yes. Okay. Did you catch some of that? Yeah, I caught it, but I zoned out. Oh, okay, cool. It wasn't about me, so I didn't wasn't [laughter] paying attention. Wasn't Wasn't Doug? Think it what He works in tech. Does Doug work in technology? Do you know? >> everybody out here works in technology.
    63:24
    everybody out here works in technology.
    63:24
    everybody out here works in technology. That name does sound familiar. It maybe was Doug. I don't know. Yeah, that was bad of me. I It was when we first as we first got back from taking naps and I wasn't fully awake yet. So I I caught some of it. That is the one thing about the show man. I loved it like you got to admit we've been stopped a lot and I love that. Like I love when people come up and want to say things about the content and it's just cool cuz cuz usually the comments are things like man I really appreciate they everyone is so appreciative. They're like I really I know it's a lot of hard work but we I really appreciate listening to it. You know, thank you for doing it and I love that. But um it it just after a while like it it does get like tiring on you because you're talking so much and I have I was telling Jamie I have a bit of like uh a ceiling of my socialization cuz I am I'm I am very an extroverted person but there's a point of like I start tipping over and I got to go. Like it just stops. I can't do it anymore. It's but I do very much appreciate all the comments and people coming up and it's awesome. >> lovely man. Kale they've been lovely.
    64:26
    lovely man. Kale they've been lovely.
    64:26
    lovely man. Kale they've been lovely. >> cool as hell. Yeah.
    64:29
    cool as hell. Yeah.
    64:29
    cool as hell. Yeah. They've been they've been >> [laughter]
    64:31
    [laughter]
    64:31
    [laughter] >> They've been really Ricardo. That's the
    64:33
    They've been really Ricardo. That's the
    64:33
    They've been really Ricardo. That's the dude that broke my hand. Are you kidding me? He He gets excited. He got excited. >> That's Ricardo.
    64:41
    That's Ricardo.
    64:41
    That's Ricardo. Yeah. He's a good dude. Did he bring his homebrew? He did. Okay. No. His homebrew is all through America. He's bringing his axe back. Sorry I got that wrong. He did not bring it here. Cuz he's doing some updates and stuff. Yeah. Ralph, what's up with the dragon? I'm I'm here the chat wants to know about the dragon. You know, I don't understand why the dragon actually. It looks very ninja eclipse-ish. I don't know. Like have you heard I have not heard if there's a backstory on the dragon at all. It doesn't make any sense why there's a dragon here, but there's a giant is a big dragon. >> dragons are freaking ridiculously cool
    65:19
    dragons are freaking ridiculously cool
    65:19
    dragons are freaking ridiculously cool though and it's giant. You know what I have to say? Why not? Yeah, why not? Dragons are [ __ ] cool. Do you know what it made me think of the moment I looked at it though? I was like we need a >> [laughter]
    65:33
    [laughter]
    65:33
    [laughter] >> What's up Matthew?
    65:34
    What's up Matthew?
    65:34
    What's up Matthew? We need we need a Mortal Kombat pinball machine. I would play the [ __ ] out of a Mortal Kombat pinball machine. I I that would be awesome, but Who who have we missed? Jersey Jack? We haven't talked about Jersey Jack. Yeah, I mean so Jersey Jack's obviously here with uh they got some avatars. They got um I don't know if I saw >> of Harry Potters and a bunch of GNRs.
    65:57
    of Harry Potters and a bunch of GNRs.
    65:57
    of Harry Potters and a bunch of GNRs. >> actually I was surprised they have some
    65:58
    actually I was surprised they have some
    65:58
    actually I was surprised they have some Harry Potter um collector's editions. I was surprised they brought the nice one models here, but there's a bunch of the nicer ones here. Uh they got some wizards. I didn't see an arcade on the floor, but there might be one. We cornered Jack about you. Oh yeah, I told I I yeah, I told yeah, I asked Jack I was like, "Hey, are you still serious about that offer to get get Kale and Rachel a Harry Potter?" He's like, "Yeah, I'm really serious about it. Um I want to do Kale, would you do it? I really want to see how it would do there. >> Yeah,
    66:26
    Yeah,
    66:26
    Yeah, absolutely. Okay, I'll I'll talk to him again cuz I I think I don't know what to like he didn't contact you? Not that I know of, no. All right, I'll I'll I'll I'll like call him after this yeah, cuz I want you guys to I I'm just so curious number one, will it be reliable at your location? And number two, how will it be received? And I like his offer that he's saying you guys can just keep whatever it makes, which is cool. So yeah, we'll figure it out. If not, then I'll put mine there. Has there been a a panel yet? A Jersey Jack panel? Yeah, so we went to the Jersey Jack panel it was right before >> didn't say save your money for Sonic.
    67:03
    didn't say save your money for Sonic.
    67:03
    didn't say save your money for Sonic. No, this is what's so damn funny. We went to uh of we went to uh eat this pork chop at Paris. Famous pork chop. >> Dude, pork chop. Man, freaking out of
    67:15
    Dude, pork chop. Man, freaking out of
    67:15
    Dude, pork chop. Man, freaking out of control. >> I'm starving. Kale, damn pork chop is
    67:18
    I'm starving. Kale, damn pork chop is
    67:18
    I'm starving. Kale, damn pork chop is like the it's the lunch it's the lunch freaking portion. >> 25 dollar pork chop is like a brick,
    67:23
    25 dollar pork chop is like a brick,
    67:23
    25 dollar pork chop is like a brick, dude. And it is good and and oh my gosh. >> Mike Prones asked if he didn't eat it,
    67:27
    Mike Prones asked if he didn't eat it,
    67:27
    Mike Prones asked if he didn't eat it, so don't worry. I was okay. I know you were worried, Kale. But we walk out and in walks Steve Ritchie and Jack. And he stops us and of course because Ralph knows them very well. >> now.
    67:41
    now.
    67:41
    now. >> And and you're boys. And I said, "Hey,
    67:44
    And and you're boys. And I said, "Hey,
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    And and you're boys. And I said, "Hey, Jack, do me one favor. At the seminar tomorrow, you have to say, don't spend another dime." Yes. No, and that's a he should do that should be his thing now. >> [laughter]
    68:00
    [laughter]
    68:00
    [laughter] >> Don't spend another dime.
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    Don't spend another dime.
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    Don't spend another dime. >> Because it doesn't matter we
    68:03
    Because it doesn't matter we
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    Because it doesn't matter we we all know it's Sonic. We all know it's Steve Ritchie. This this this should be his thing. You know? Kale, you'll laugh at this. I was going to do this, but someone else did it. So there's a guy here there's actually a couple of vendors here selling like retro gaming type stuff. And there's a guy that has like a bunch of plush Sonics. And I was like, "Hey, Kale Kale, hey Jamie, it'd be cool if I just sat in the front row with the Sonic like right in my lap." And someone else did it. Like someone else had like put the little Sonic thing right there. I don't know why in the front. >> stay for the whole sessions. I don't
    68:35
    stay for the whole sessions. I don't
    68:35
    stay for the whole sessions. I don't know if they even like mentioned it or Who who's streaming those, Kale? Is it Pinball News? Streaming what? Oh, uh All the seminars. It's got to be Pinball News. >> I think it's Pinball News. It's pretty
    68:47
    I think it's Pinball News. It's pretty
    68:47
    I think it's Pinball News. It's pretty >> I haven't watched it. Yeah, I've only
    68:48
    I haven't watched it. Yeah, I've only
    68:48
    I haven't watched it. Yeah, I've only read about it. Okay. So Pinball News, check them out. >> Yeah. But they did like they were just
    68:55
    Yeah. But they did like they were just
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    Yeah. But they did like they were just doing like a deep dive on it's basically basically if you watched my feature, it was basically that. Like they were talking about how they developed the stair mechanism and how many it's 13 different ball paths and all that stuff. Like they were it it was cool. For someone that that like doesn't know all the background story, it was it was basically that. It was it was the development of Harry Potter. We left after like 10 minutes, I think. We weren't there for that long. >> Now, who wants to run the Stern Army
    69:18
    Now, who wants to run the Stern Army
    69:19
    Now, who wants to run the Stern Army party? Hey, buddy. You want to get in? Get into what? We're we're live. Oh, I >> [laughter]
    69:26
    [laughter]
    69:26
    [laughter] >> What's happening?
    69:28
    What's happening?
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    What's happening? Well, we're using your Thank you, Jordan. And ladies and gentlemen, Jordan from Fliptronic. And he has been streaming all of the It's Kale. Say hi. Hey, what's happening? >> mic. Get him on the mic.
    69:44
    Hey, what's up, Jordan? I'll be right back in like 30 minutes. We're done in 15. >> Okay, perfect.
    69:49
    Okay, perfect.
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    Okay, perfect. We're done in 15. By the way, he he forced me at gunpoint to to use this. I Okay. >> [laughter]
    69:55
    [laughter]
    69:55
    [laughter] >> I said Jordan wouldn't give a [ __ ] and
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    I said Jordan wouldn't give a [ __ ] and
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    I said Jordan wouldn't give a [ __ ] and I'm right, right? >> Yeah. See? Okay, sick. I I thank you, by
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    Yeah. See? Okay, sick. I I thank you, by
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    Yeah. See? Okay, sick. I I thank you, by the way. I appreciate it. >> Jordan from Fliptronic.
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    Jordan from Fliptronic.
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    Jordan from Fliptronic. >> Hello.
    70:05
    Hello.
    70:05
    Hello. >> Uh what you need to do is go and check
    70:06
    Uh what you need to do is go and check
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    Uh what you need to do is go and check out their Twitch stream because they've been streaming uh on Marco using your rig. >> Yep. Uh all the homebrews. And Ralph and
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    Yep. Uh all the homebrews. And Ralph and
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    Yep. Uh all the homebrews. And Ralph and I were were asked nicely Thank you, Amoto, and thank you, Erica. >> Um from America's Pinball Journey are
    70:24
    Um from America's Pinball Journey are
    70:24
    Um from America's Pinball Journey are really showcasing all these homebrews. And Manu uh was the What's Manu from? What channel is Manu? Mystery Mystery And yeah, Mystery. That's right. >> So, he he like moderated
    70:38
    So, he he like moderated
    70:38
    So, he he like moderated >> [laughter]
    70:39
    [laughter]
    70:39
    [laughter] >> Is Kale laughing at you?
    70:41
    Is Kale laughing at you?
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    Is Kale laughing at you? Kale is laughing at me. That's That's too much to say, yeah. Did you Did you see it, Kale? Like it was We played head-to-head on What was it? I forget the game. We played head-to-head on Big Trouble in Little China. He kicked my ass. >> Oh. Okay. He's been kind of kicking my
    70:57
    Oh. Okay. He's been kind of kicking my
    70:57
    Oh. Okay. He's been kind of kicking my ass a lot. Pretty good. So the first two games you played just trashed me. I mean annihilated me. It was crazy dude. I was Yeah, I was all over the place. Anyway, thank you for letting us use your rig. >> Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate it. Have fun.
    71:10
    Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate it. Have fun.
    71:10
    Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate it. Have fun. Say hello to Kale. Say bye to Kale. >> [laughter]
    71:13
    [laughter]
    71:13
    [laughter] >> What's up brother? Thanks Shorter.
    71:16
    What's up brother? Thanks Shorter.
    71:16
    What's up brother? Thanks Shorter. Okay. Yeah, I like all these nice people stopping by. >> that we keep having like all these
    71:20
    that we keep having like all these
    71:20
    that we keep having like all these guests. It's kind of cool. It is kind of cool. It's in the in the chat in the chat they're saying American announced they're remaking Circus Voltaire. That's actually not true. Ralph announced that. >> [laughter]
    71:35
    [laughter]
    71:35
    [laughter] >> Via some information from some unknown
    71:39
    Via some information from some unknown
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    Via some information from some unknown source. So now in all seriousness if we're going to talk about that Brian Vincent came up to us and said you're the guy The first thing he said to us >> that leaked Circus Voltaire. That's what
    71:51
    that leaked Circus Voltaire. That's what
    71:52
    that leaked Circus Voltaire. That's what he said. And and but he didn't seem pissed about it though. He wasn't pissed. He was kind of like almost joking around. We just threw you under the bus since you're not here. Tell Moto to get sit down. Here sit down. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down. Get on there Moto. >> please. Oh, I have Pinbrawl too with me
    72:08
    please. Oh, I have Pinbrawl too with me
    72:09
    please. Oh, I have Pinbrawl too with me somewhere. Is Pinbrawl here? Uh no, but they made us awesome whitewood Marco >> Oh, that's badass.
    72:17
    Oh, that's badass.
    72:17
    Oh, that's badass. >> Pinbrawl's like I have some for y'all.
    72:19
    Pinbrawl's like I have some for y'all.
    72:19
    Pinbrawl's like I have some for y'all. Not that one. All right, say hi to your boy. Not that one. Hi boy. Hey, what's happening? Hey, good to see you guys. Wow, good to see you too. Welcome to TPF. Well, first of all, thank you very very much for setting this up and letting us use this booth. Yeah, this we wouldn't have been able to do this without you. So thank you. We're glad to have you in our home brew village. Uh so thank you. Thank you for hanging out with us. I've enjoyed You're so busy. She's so busy at these shows. And you still seems to You seem like you still have energy left. I don't know how you do this. Kahlua looks so sad. I miss you. You and Rachel should be here. I know. I know. We'll see. We'll see you at Expo. I know. Don't you love him? Yeah, I do. Sorry. I didn't want to even listening to what you guys were saying. I was just like, "Man, we [laughter] used to do shows together." Like Kahlua and Rachel trained me to do all of this, you know? And >> Well, I
    73:13
    Well, I
    73:13
    Well, I take I'm the reason that she's doing this right now because It's true. He got me hired at Marco. Well, well, actually I kidnapped you. We we For real. We We were We were doing a show in Nashville and I asked Imoto to come out and just hang out. Okay. >> and then from there, I was They were
    73:37
    and then from there, I was They were
    73:37
    and then from there, I was They were actually shooting a documentary at the Marco office and I said, "This would be perfect. Imoto would be I talked to Paul." I was like, "Imoto would be perfect for this. She has to come out." And and I I convinced him to, you know, pay her a little bit of money and she came. She just came. She It wasn't planned and then from there, she got hired and she's been doing it ever since. That's a cool story. We did not know that. >> know that. I know I Marco told me
    74:03
    know that. I know I Marco told me
    74:03
    know that. I know I Marco told me something last night about Kahlua that they broke their I guess she they broke their rule for Kahlua. If somebody leaves, they can't come back, but not for that guy right there. This gentleman. >> They asked [clears throat] me to come
    74:16
    They asked [clears throat] me to come
    74:16
    They asked [clears throat] me to come back. Yeah. >> [laughter]
    74:20
    [laughter]
    74:20
    [laughter] >> Hey, I'll do it [clears throat] again. It's awesome. So, what's the show like been for you? How's the home brew section? I mean, it's the biggest it's ever been here, right? >> Yep. So, last year we had six home brew
    74:33
    Yep. So, last year we had six home brew
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    Yep. So, last year we had six home brew games and this year there's 14. Damn. >> pretty awesome, right?
    74:38
    pretty awesome, right?
    74:38
    pretty awesome, right? >> If you build it, they will come, right?
    74:40
    If you build it, they will come, right?
    74:40
    If you build it, they will come, right? >> Yeah, it's so growing exponentially. We
    74:42
    Yeah, it's so growing exponentially. We
    74:42
    Yeah, it's so growing exponentially. We were able to get our a different space. We've always been kind of in the middle for >> Right.
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    Right.
    74:48
    Right. forever. And now we're in this kind of corner space. We created our little home brew village tent city and you know, tried to feature each home brew game as much as possible and it's just been really cool. We have uh we're hosting the tech medic area. We did tech day on Wednesday. So it was like come bring your game early, learn how to work on it with Yeah. professional technicians kind of shadowing you and telling you what to do. So And I I heard like good things about that. I heard everyone was pretty >> We had like Nick Shell who's like this
    75:20
    We had like Nick Shell who's like this
    75:20
    We had like Nick Shell who's like this EM master wizard teaching these like young young adults these guys like how to read schematics and like making them do it and being like, "Okay, so if you're going here and then you need a clip on it here, what wire is that?" And like making them think. So Mota, I'm fascinated by all this but our friend Jamie, when you start talking technology I'm sorry. I totally told the guys I was leaving. I saw it but I saw it in his eyes. I wasn't leaving. I was I'm it's so >> You were so leaving.
    75:53
    You were so leaving.
    75:53
    You were so leaving. So much education. But yeah, okay. Long story short, we're hosting the tech area medic area. So they're helping fix all the games on the floor. Working with a lot of great techs like Todd Tuckey from TNT Amusements and his crew. Eugene Mosh, legendary. All these guys are freaking awesome. And then all the games, Fast Pinball and Tried and True Pinball are here. So >> Yeah.
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    Yeah.
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    Yeah. The support that they give to making these games actually happen is freaking awesome. Um I heard Kale and Rachel were working on a home brew game soon. And I was going to and they're going to bring it to Expo this year. >> on. Wait a minute. Hold on. We don't
    76:32
    on. Wait a minute. Hold on. We don't
    76:32
    on. Wait a minute. Hold on. We don't even know this. How do we not even know this? How do we not even know this? We have a show with you. What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? No, we're we're really not. They're Oh, okay. >> [laughter]
    76:42
    [laughter]
    76:42
    [laughter] >> I was like, how's he keeping this from
    76:44
    I was like, how's he keeping this from
    76:44
    I was like, how's he keeping this from us? Planting the seed, water. >> [laughter]
    76:50
    [laughter]
    76:50
    [laughter] >> How the hell would you guys even have
    76:52
    How the hell would you guys even have
    76:52
    How the hell would you guys even have the time to do that actually? I don't feel like you would, but We would get other people to do it. >> [laughter]
    76:57
    [laughter]
    76:57
    [laughter] >> Just put your name on it.
    76:58
    Just put your name on it.
    76:59
    Just put your name on it. Yeah, there you go. Delegate. Well, thank you for everything you do for this community and appreciate my mom's calling me, so we're not going to talk to mom right now. You just totally sent your mom to the chamber. Yeah, lots of great seminars. Yeah. It's always fun to see the Texas pinball community and people from all around the world come here down here too. It's like here and Expo you see the most like international or just like wide range of people coming to one spot to enjoy pinball together. So it's really rad. As someone that does all the shows, is this where would you rank this show? Oh, this is a top. Do you like this show better than Expo?
    77:45
    Yes. Well, they're all different. You know what I mean? Like you know what I mean? >> Expo is cool because that's where all
    77:50
    Expo is cool because that's where all
    77:50
    Expo is cool because that's where all the manufacturers are. So a lot of people that can't travel this far can come to the show so you can see the engineers and the other designers on different levels. The people that actually like hand building the games coming out to the show and enjoying it where you know, we're 800 miles away down here, but here it's like in a hotel, you know, we have carpet floor. It's more intimate. You know, the show hours are a little bit different. The engagement is a little bit different. So they just all live in different levels of awesome, you know. >> And then of course we have to give a
    78:25
    And then of course we have to give a
    78:26
    And then of course we have to give a shout to the Houston Arcade Expo. >> Houston Arcade Expo. That's like my
    78:28
    Houston Arcade Expo. That's like my
    78:28
    Houston Arcade Expo. That's like my decompression show, you know, we're not setting up booths anymore and we're just like hanging out. We're going to get Kaylin and Rachel too. >> I love that show. It's I I love that
    78:37
    I love that show. It's I I love that
    78:37
    I love that show. It's I I love that show. I love hanging out with you and Tally at that show. What's the size difference between this show and that show? >> Oh, it's minuscule compared to this, but
    78:44
    Oh, it's minuscule compared to this, but
    78:44
    Oh, it's minuscule compared to this, but it's tiny. >> matter. But it's super fun. Everyone
    78:46
    matter. But it's super fun. Everyone
    78:46
    matter. But it's super fun. Everyone everyone says you got to go to it. Okay. Yeah. I got to do it. It is the best. Thank you for stopping by. Yeah, thank you. Yes, too. >> my god, I love her so much.
    78:56
    my god, I love her so much.
    78:56
    my god, I love her so much. So great. Thanks, Amoto. Appreciate you. >> Thank you so much. Good seeing you.
    79:03
    Thank you so much. Good seeing you.
    79:03
    Thank you so much. Good seeing you. All right. >> Bye, Kel.
    79:05
    Bye, Kel.
    79:05
    Bye, Kel. All right, are we going to close this out? Thank you, sweetheart. >> Um I don't know. Sweetheart, are we
    79:09
    Um I don't know. Sweetheart, are we
    79:09
    Um I don't know. Sweetheart, are we going to close it out? >> Well, he needs that rig in like 10
    79:12
    Well, he needs that rig in like 10
    79:12
    Well, he needs that rig in like 10 minutes. >> Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right.
    79:14
    Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right.
    79:14
    Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right. >> to go. Okay. That That's her telling us to get the hell out of here. >> So is this like a 5-minute warning or is
    79:22
    So is this like a 5-minute warning or is
    79:22
    So is this like a 5-minute warning or is it get the hell out of here right now? >> warning. All right, 2-minute warning. I
    79:24
    warning. All right, 2-minute warning. I
    79:24
    warning. All right, 2-minute warning. I don't know. How would you How would you wrap up? I mean So let's let's wrap it up with like run through like very quickly run through the new games on the floor. Uh and just a quick just a quick little something. What do you What do you thought about them? So what Start at Yukon Yeti. Let's start at Yukon Yeti. long Mhm. Um It's a good show. They're going to sell a lot of them. It's a good It's a good game. I mean, they're going to sell a lot of them. >> Yeah. Uh
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    Yeah. Uh
    79:55
    Yeah. Uh They're They're going to sell out. They're going to sell out for sure. Yeah, I would prefer a little more callouts, but again, they're 0.7, so let's give Turner a break, and he He again, the most receptive dude on the planet. I mean, he's going to listen to the community. Um Houdini with the new art. They don't have It It's It's fun. No, I mean, it's it's Houdini, but like it's a good game. The It's fun game. They The art looks good on it, so I feel like they'll, you know I mean, it's I mean, it's not a new game, but it's new cuz of the art, and it's being offered in that limited amount. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, I mean, it's like a constant flow. Everyone seems to be all hyped up for Beetlejuice. I think the thing I've heard a lot though, the one thing that they're like, "Man, it's the same thing with Winchester. Like, man, I wish wish I could buy one. Like, I want to buy one." So, I mean, that's the I guess that's the I don't know, the result of being really popular and they which is good for Spooky, but that's the rub, right? I mean, that's the thing. They're really popular right now. They're hot and they they have IPs people want. So, uh and it's the same thing with Winchester. Winchester's fantastic. If you haven't had a chance to play it, come on down, but you can't get one. Yeah, and I mean, Pokémon, constant flow of people. People seem to like it. I think I think the only thing that uh I've heard this only a couple times. I've heard people say, "Oh, I can't wait for the code to evolve more." Um but that's every new release from Stern really. I know there's been a couple people that we've talked to. Like, Jamie and I was sitting at the bar eating and some people had just said, "Oh, man, I wish there was achievements in it." Like, that that was kind of a But I obviously the we feel we feel at least that the reason why is some something to do with licensing. So, they'll be in there eventually, but It It definitely is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, there there's um code updates already with achievements waiting for All right. All right. waiting for approval. Yeah, yeah, let's let's sign out so they can do their thing. Uh thank you everybody for joining. Thank you for letting me be on here. >> Appreciate it. Aw, dude, we miss you so
    81:46
    Appreciate it. Aw, dude, we miss you so
    81:46
    Appreciate it. Aw, dude, we miss you so much. >> so much and so many times we'd be like,
    81:48
    so much and so many times we'd be like,
    81:48
    so much and so many times we'd be like, "Where's Kale? Where's Kale?" cuz I mean, we got we got almost the whole crew. We need you. >> And Jamie got me on two different
    81:54
    And Jamie got me on two different
    81:54
    And Jamie got me on two different podcasts, so that's a plus. I know. He's he's jumping Don't cry. I'm going to go I'm going to go off camera real quick so you can wrap it up. I want to I want to help him get this rig set up. >> No, I'll I'll never do that. All right.
    82:05
    No, I'll I'll never do that. All right.
    82:05
    No, I'll I'll never do that. All right. God bless everyone. Thank you so much. We really appreciate you.