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Episode 755: "$20,000 For This?"

Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)·podcast_episode·11m 34s·analyzed·Jan 3, 2023
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TL;DR

Kaneda criticizes $20K Stern James Bond LE as overpriced and creatively underwhelming.

Summary

Kaneda's Pinball Podcast host Chris delivers a scathing critique of Stern Pinball's James Bond 007 60th Anniversary Limited Edition, priced at $20,000 MSRP—the highest ever for a new pinball machine. He argues the game lacks the creative depth, artistic quality, mechanical innovation, and visual impression that should justify its record-breaking price point, comparing it unfavorably to previous premium releases and calling it a cash grab that will damage Stern's reputation.

Key Claims

  • Game of Thrones Premium from Stern is the most expensive pinball machine ever released at $20,000 MSRP

    high confidence · Kaneda (host), early in episode discussing record MSRP pricing

  • The James Bond 007 60th Anniversary machine costs approximately $22,000 with tax and shipping

    high confidence · Kaneda explicitly states total cost to customer door

  • The machine features a physical scoring reel in the backbox rather than pure LCD

    high confidence · Kaneda describes examining the game's physical components

  • Limited production run of 500 units for this edition

    high confidence · Kaneda references 500 unit production limit

  • The artwork is 'Photoshop, drag and drop' quality and is one of the ugliest Stern machines in the last 10 years

    medium confidence · Kaneda's subjective assessment during detailed critique

  • The slingshot area artwork is 'just blue plastic with 007 written on it' with no other detail

    high confidence · Kaneda describes specific playfield element examination

  • Kaneda believes the machine will not sell well and may trade on secondary market for significantly less

    low confidence · Kaneda prediction about future market performance

  • Keith Elwin designed this game

    medium confidence · Kaneda references 'Keith Elwin fans' and 'Keith Elwin loops or shots'

  • This pricing move will damage Stern Pinball's reputation and create negative sentiment in the community

    medium confidence · Kaneda's opinion about market reaction and brand perception

  • The machine has a single level game with no code demonstration

    medium confidence · Kaneda notes lack of code complexity or presentation

Notable Quotes

  • “How can it be that the most expensive pinball machine in the history of pinball is also I would argue one of the least impressive machines I've ever seen.”

    Kaneda (podcast host) @ early in episode — Core thesis of the episode—captures the central criticism that price doesn't match perceived value

  • “When you think about what's the most expensive car on planet earth or the most expensive watch or the most expensive house, right? Anything that's the most expensive of its category should be the most impressive.”

    Kaneda @ early-middle — Establishes Kaneda's benchmark for what premium pricing should deliver across industries

  • “The only thing you're spending money on here is the scarcity. That is it.”

    Kaneda @ middle section — Core accusation: the $20K price is driven purely by limited production, not quality or features

  • “I wouldn't even buy this game for $10,000. That's how little I care about this ridiculous cash grab greedy move.”

    Kaneda @ late in episode — Personal valuation statement; suggests even 50% of MSRP is excessive in his view

  • “Mark my words, it's going to backfire. This thing is not going to sell.”

    Kaneda @ closing segment — Explicit prediction about commercial failure and market rejection

  • “And anyone who buys one is not going to get patted on the back. People are going to look at you guys like maybe you're a little bit of a fool with your money.”

    Kaneda @ late section — Social stigma prediction: buyers will face community judgment

  • “There is no way this game has enough magic in it to be worth $20,000.”

    Kaneda @ late section — Summary statement equating missing 'magic' (wow factor) to pricing mismatch

  • “I think $500 is even too many. I think if you wanna charge $20,000 for a game like this and it's the 60th anniversary, you only should have made 60 of them.”

Entities

KanedapersonKeith ElwinpersonStern PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyJames Bond 007 60th AnniversarygameGame of Thrones (Premium)

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: James Bond 007 60th Anniversary LE priced at $20K MSRP with visual, artistic, and mechanical quality that Kaneda argues does not justify the record price point

    high · Core thesis of episode: 'How can it be that the most expensive pinball machine in the history of pinball is also one of the least impressive machines I've ever seen'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Kaneda predicts Stern Pinball's $20K pricing move will damage brand reputation and create negative community sentiment, particularly among Keith Elwin fans

    high · 'I think it just puts a really bad taste in people's mouth about Sam Stern Pinball. I think it upsets people that are Keith Elwin fans'

  • $

    market_signal: Kaneda predicts the machine will not sell well at MSRP despite $20K price; speculates secondary market value may collapse or shift unpredictably

    medium · 'Mark my words, it's going to backfire. This thing is not going to sell.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Critique of 500-unit production run as too high for $20K premium positioning; suggests 60 units (matching 60th anniversary theme) would be more appropriate for scarcity justification

    medium · 'I think $500 is even too many. I think if you wanna charge $20,000 for a game like this and it's the 60th anniversary, you only should have made 60 of them'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Kaneda argues Stern is relying entirely on scarcity (500-unit run) to justify $20K price, with no additional material costs, features, or assets to justify premium

    high · 'The only thing you're spending money on here is the scarcity. That is it. You're not getting any material costs. You're not going to get tons of assets.'

Topics

Premium pricing and value proposition in pinballprimaryArtistic and mechanical quality of modern Stern machinesprimaryLimited Edition production strategy and scarcity-based pricingprimaryCommunity sentiment and backlash against SternprimaryJames Bond 007 60th Anniversary machine specifications and featuresprimaryKeith Elwin design philosophy and game complexitysecondaryComparative analysis of premium pinball machines across manufacturerssecondaryCollector psychology and justification for premium spendingsecondary

Sentiment

negative(-0.92)— Kaneda is highly critical, using terms like 'pathetic,' 'greedy move,' 'cash grab,' and 'ridiculous.' He expresses strong disapproval of both the machine and Stern's decision to price it at $20K. There is no positive commentary about the game itself, though he acknowledges he personally doesn't care about the James Bond IP. The sentiment is pointed and personal—Kaneda feels Stern has made a strategic error that will damage brand reputation.

Transcript

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Music You know I'm laughing inside. I'm laughing inside because I'm looking at this pinball machine and I'm saying to myself, Chris, you love pinball. You've been following pinball for almost a decade. You've seen all the magical worlds under glass that have come out back in the day. You know what those games used to cost. You know what modern pinball costs. You know what creativity is in pinball. You know what these companies are capable of. And then you ask yourself one simple question. How can it be that the most expensive pinball machine in the history of pinball is also I would argue one of the least impressive machines I've ever seen. I'm sorry people, this is a $20,000 pinball machine from the factory. This is the highest MSRP ever, ever of a new in box pinball machine ever on planet earth. And when I tell you that and what this beautifully creative hobby is capable of, and if I were to tell you this is the most expensive pinball machine ever created, And this is the pin we got. This is pathetic. This is pathetic. When you think about what's the most expensive car on planet earth or the most expensive watch or the most expensive house, right? Anything that's the most expensive of its category should be the most impressive. This thing for twenty thousand dollars should have so many elements in it that make you say wow, how did they do that? How did they engineer this? Look at the beautiful artwork. Look at the magnets. Look at the teleportation. Look at the levitation. Look at all the magical things they crammed into this playfield. They crammed into this world under glass. And then you look down at this machine and it's Photoshop, drag and drop artwork. It doesn't even look that nice. And I don't care how many Keith Elwin loops or shots or this or combos. That doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant. This thing looks like it's a stern pinball. Filming she sleeping in a room, rolling the keyboard is apologize and Look at this pin See I would be More Brewing Company upset if this was like Back to the Arcade future or big trouble in little China and they nailed it and it was 20 grand because then I would have to go to the The Bank and get out but if you gonna buy this machine you literally are telegraphing to the world you Papa Duke much have a lot of mate/man and that it that it that is the only reason This week on Video,adora 하면co Brands with ??? We show lTrliyorÆs final example of h éching. Progrés~? Auto sure as fu cÆ . We show armốnÆs не É w'ho pause washб interaction章х date어 closure ел voi дє нύா percent still, I reasonable mo�ч that lă ambassador 975 nãua I'm going to be American Pinball community with look at something like this and say this is good enough for me to spend $20,000. You add in tax and shipping $22,000 to get this game to your door. A single level game in which they've shown absolutely no code. It does have physical scoring reel. It looks like an LCD, but it's an actual physical scoring reel in the back. I'm going to go over the game and you're like, that's the problem is I go over this game and everything I look at doesn't come anywhere close to making me go, wow, how did they do that? Let me repeat that for $20,000. There should be multiple sections in American Pinball machine that make you go, wow, how did they do that? Or wow, look how beautiful that looks. Are there even any sculpts in this game other than a plastic one? So yeah like this is it stern pinball showed us something that is absolutely going to enrage a lot of the pinball community and I telling you right now pinball is headed for a really strange 2023 because now stern pinball has shown us that they think this is a viable area of the pinball market and I know what you saying you saying Kaneda you been a hypocrite no I been saying this from day one I think there are people out there who would easily spend or More Brewing Company on American Pinball machine but not like this You want to sell to your rich client something where they can see the value and where the mate/man went This is like trying to sell someone a Jurassic The Park Pro and only because you going to make 500 of them and no More Brewing Company You can charge $20,000 for them. The only thing you're spending mate/man on here is the scarcity. That is it. You're not getting any material costs. You're not going to get tons of assets. You're not going to get movie clips galore. You're not going to get anything that you think you would normally get in a fully featured game. And so once again, I'm disappointed because I would love there to be like a working magic girl kind of game that visually blows you away that has mechs that blow you away that I'll be back with a very special episode of Stern Pinball Inc. Pinball Inc. Podcast, and I hope you enjoy it. Thanks for tuning in. I'll see you next time. Bye. This week we will be looking at the plastics on the slingshot area and how lazy the art package is on this game. It's literally just blue plastic with 007 written on it. That's it. No other detail, no other attention to art, nothing. This is quite honestly one of the ugliest looking stern pinball machines that has come out in The Last Arcade 10 years. Let me repeat that. This is arguably one of the ugliest stern years This week's topic is pinball. The pinball machine is the most expensive pinball machine of all time. Hard stop. That's it. Do I need to say anything else about this game? The floor is yours American Pinball. The floor is yours Jersey Jack on your next game. The floor is yours now spooky pinball with Scooby Doo. The reason why I think this is a stupid move for Stern too, I think it just puts a really bad taste in people's mouth about Stern Pinball. I think it upsets people that are Keith Elwin fans that wanna own all of his games. They don't wanna own this. They're not gonna wanna spend $20,000 on this. And $500, I would argue this too. I think $500 is even too many. I think if you wanna charge $20,000 for a game like this and it's the 60th anniversary, you only should have made $60,000. I know it doesn't make much financial sense, but nothing about this game makes financial sense to anybody. So I would rather the collectors at least win out because 500 of them people forget this like there were 500 like Alice Cooper nightmare castles They not that hard to find if annotate board This week's topic is the pinball machine. I think it's going to be another example. Stern Pinball just not understanding the market. Look, we would spend the mate/man if the magic was there. There is no way this game has enough magic in it to be worth $20,000. Everybody, thank you so much for listening to Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. I just wanted to get this off my chest. I will also say this. I really don't care about this pin. This pin is going to land in the pinball world like a fart in the wind. We're all going to play it every single day. We're all going to play it at TPF and we're all going to say, hey, look, that was fun, but what a joke for $20,000. And anyone who buys one is not going to get patted on the back. People are going to look at you guys like maybe you're a little bit of a fool with your mate/man. When you spend the most amount of mate/man ever on any pinball machine that has ever been released, you should feel Pride Pinball in that. But how can you feel Pride Pinball buying this game? How do you not feel like a little bit of a sucker inside if you buy this game? How to buy this game. Look, not even the most verbose and the most entertaining podcasters and distributors are going to be able to even convince you that this is worth anywhere near that mate/man. You put this game next to Batman SLE, next to Elvira 40th, those two games are stunning. And even though they're very expensive, you could understand why both of those full featured games that are some of the greatest works of art in the history of pinball, why Decide those games could command prices around $20,000 or Pirate CE. And then you look at this game, I don't even want to keep talking about it. But I will say this, as like annoying as this game is, I don't really care about it. I am still More Brewing Company heartbroken over the fact that it's only Toy Story 4 because I really wanted a Toy Story Pinball machine. I don't care about James Bond. I don't care about 60 years of James Bond. I'm just happy that I'm not a James Bond fanatic and there's not like a little piece of me that wants this machine. There is none of me that would ever even consider taking this game. I wouldn't even buy this game for $10,000. That's how little I care about this ridiculous cash grab greedy move by Stern Pinball. Mark my words, it's going to backfire. This thing is not going to sell. And then we're going to see this thing. I'm telling you, you're going to see this thing trade hands for $50,000. From Ab cattle, concluded video,

Kaneda @ middle section — Suggests production numbers are too high even for premium pricing strategy

  • “This thing is going to land in the pinball world like a fart in the wind.”

    Kaneda @ closing section — Dismissive prediction of cultural/market impact; will be quickly forgotten

  • “I'm just happy that I'm not a James Bond fanatic and there's not like a little piece of me that wants this machine.”

    Kaneda @ late section — Personal relief that he has no IP attachment that would tempt him despite criticism

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    Batman SLEgame
    Elvira's House of Horrors (Premium Edition) 40thgame
    Pirate CEgame
    Alicegame
    Alice Cooper Nightmare Castlegame
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  • ?

    design_innovation: Kaneda criticizes the machine's artwork as lazy, low-effort 'Photoshop, drag and drop' quality with minimal detail (e.g., slingshot area described as 'just blue plastic with 007 written on it')

    high · 'It's Photoshop, drag and drop artwork. It doesn't even look that nice... literally just blue plastic with 007 written on it. That's it.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Kaneda challenges American Pinball, Jersey Jack Pinball, and Spooky Pinball to raise their game and prove they can deliver better value at premium price points

    medium · 'The floor is yours American Pinball... The floor is yours Jersey Jack Pinball... The floor is yours now Spooky Pinball'

  • ?

    community_signal: Kaneda predicts buyers will face community stigma and judgment, viewed as having poor financial judgment despite wealth

    medium · 'People are going to look at you guys like maybe you're a little bit of a fool with your money'

  • ?

    content_signal: Kaneda's podcast episode is a major critical voice on the $20K machine; represents significant media scrutiny of Stern's pricing decision

    high · Entire episode dedicated to detailed critique; Kaneda notes even 'entertaining podcasters and distributors' won't be able to justify the price

  • ?

    product_concern: Despite Keith Elwin's involvement, Kaneda argues the game lacks sufficient mechanical wow-factor, sculpts, or features to justify premium pricing

    high · 'I don't care how many Keith Elwin loops or shots... That doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant... Are there even any sculpts in this game?'

  • $

    market_signal: Stern appears to be testing the upper price ceiling of the pinball market at $20K; Kaneda views this as a strategic misstep that will backfire

    medium · 'pinball is headed for a really strange 2023 because now Sam Stern pinball has shown us that they think this is a viable area of the pinball market'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Kaneda expresses disappointment that James Bond was chosen for the $20K game instead of other IP; lacks personal enthusiasm for the franchise

    medium · 'I'm just happy that I'm not a James Bond fanatic... I don't care about James Bond. I don't care about 60 years of James Bond.'