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John Wick — The Best New Stern In Years?!?

Bash Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·25m 39s·analyzed·May 16, 2024
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TL;DR

Bash hosts analyze new John Wick pinball announcement, cautiously optimistic despite gun imagery restrictions.

Summary

The Bash Pinball Podcast hosts discuss the newly announced John Wick pinball machine by Stern, analyzing the official trailer and sharing first impressions. Both hosts express cautious optimism about the game's design, artwork, and playfield layout, though they note concerns about the weapons crate toy execution and the complete absence of gun imagery despite guns being central to the John Wick films. They highlight positive elements including the inclusion of actor Ian McShane's voice work and tribute to deceased actor Lance Reddick, and compare it favorably to recent Stern releases like Jaws and Star Wars.

Key Claims

  • There are no guns depicted anywhere on the John Wick pinball playfield despite guns being central to the films

    high confidence · Direct observation from trailer analysis: 'There's no guns in it. On the whole play field in the game, there's no guns... It's all swords and samurai type of weaponry.'

  • Elliot Eisman is the lead designer for John Wick, marking his first game design (previously worked on mechanics for other games)

    high confidence · Host states: 'they didn't actually mention the guy who actually is credited as the designer which is elliot eisman this is his first game that he's designed'

  • Tim Sexton is credited as the lead in the promotional video but is actually the coder, not the designer

    high confidence · Host notes discrepancy: 'the video has like Tim Sexton as the lead game designer. But he's not the designer. He's the coder.'

  • Actor Ian McShane (Winston from the films) provides voice call-outs for the game

    high confidence · Host confirmation from trailer review: 'Ian McShane who plays Winston, the owner of the Continental, who does the call-outs... They mentioned it in the trailer'

  • The weapons crate on the playfield contains only sticker representations of weapons (knives/daggers), not functional toy elements

    medium confidence · Host observation: 'the weapons are just like a little sticker it's like a square print of like knives or something'

Notable Quotes

  • “There's no guns in it. On the whole play field in the game, there's no guns... It's all swords and samurai type of weaponry.”

    Host (Matthew) @ ~13:00 — Key design constraint that fundamentally changes the John Wick theme execution

  • “this is his first game that he's designed... I think that's why they didn't maybe they didn't mention him because he's just not a known quantity doesn't have the cred”

    Host (Matthew) @ ~20:30 — Highlights marketing decision to feature coder over new designer, suggesting credibility concerns

  • “I think this is probably one of the more exciting ones for me as of lately... This is more than any recent Stern game. This is one I might actually want to own.”

    Host (Donald) @ ~47:00 — Positive sentiment from collector, suggesting game may break pattern of recent underperforming Stern releases

  • “I feel like, I don't know, maybe this was a cheaper license probably than Star Wars or Led Zeppelin. But it seems like they had a little more of a budget for it overall.”

    Host (Matthew) @ ~42:00 — Speculation on licensing cost implications for game feature set

  • “I at least put a katana in the weapons crate... I think there's some nunchucks. Some weapons depicted, but it's just swords and stuff.”

    Host (Matthew) @ ~16:30 — Criticism of weapons crate execution as underdeveloped game element

Entities

John WickgameElliot EismanpersonTim SextonpersonIan McShanepersonLance ReddickpersonGeorge GomezpersonKeanu Reevesperson

Signals

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Weapons crate toy underwhelming in execution; features only sticker representations of weapons rather than functional toy elements or detailed graphics

    high · Host critique: 'the weapons are just like a little sticker it's like a square print of like knives or something... It's a little rinky-dink'

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    design_philosophy: George Gomez emphasizes 'world under glass' aesthetic with immersive city environment; represents stylistic approach contrasting with stripped-down recent releases

    medium · Host observation: 'George Gomez specifically said a world under glass... They're trying to do more of that thing with this game'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: John Wick pinball contains zero gun imagery despite guns being central to film; playfield features only swords and samurai-style weapons. Likely IP holder restriction rather than Stern decision.

    medium · Host speculation: 'like maybe the producers or the license holder was worried about kids... exposing their... super ultra violent movie to to children'

  • $

    market_signal: John Wick appears to target younger demographic (20-30 year olds) in contrast to average pinball audience age (~50); represents Stern strategy to capture younger players

    medium · Host analysis: 'it's almost like a an acknowledgement of maybe the younger audience who's getting into pinball... 20 year olds yeah 20 30 year olds'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Elliot Eisman's first game design at Stern; previously only worked on mechanical design. Stern chose to feature coder Tim Sexton in promotional video instead of new designer.

Topics

John Wick pinball announcement and trailer analysisprimaryAbsence of gun imagery on playfield despite film's gun-centric natureprimaryElliot Eisman as first-time game designer for SternprimaryComparison to recent Stern releases (Jaws, Star Wars, Led Zeppelin)secondaryLance Reddick tribute and his broader career impactsecondaryGame licensing budget allocation and feature paritysecondaryJohn Wick films and franchise overviewmentionedPlayfield toy execution and weapons crate designsecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.72)— Hosts express cautious optimism about John Wick's design and potential, viewing it favorably compared to recent Stern releases. Positive about artwork, layout, and overall execution. Primary criticisms are limited (weapons crate execution, gun imagery restriction) but don't dominate discussion. Sadness expressed regarding Lance Reddick's death but framed as appreciation. Both hosts indicate genuine interest in playing and potentially owning the game.

Transcript

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Tell them. Tell them all. Whoever comes, whoever it is, I'll kill them. I'll kill them all. basically that synopsis is non-stop this guy kills this guy and then this guy kills this guy and then this guy kills this girl and this girl tries to kill this guy but this guy saves him And this guy kills this. I mean, it's just kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill. Almost kill. Almost kill. Did kill. Didn't kill. Killed. And they're trying to kill the guy that killed a bunch of people. Yeah. Because his dog got killed. So he's trying to kill those people that are trying to kill the guy that killed all the people because his dog was killed. Yeah. There is a lot of killing. It's only killing. That's the movie. Like the plot of the movie. Every beat of the plot is just people getting killed. But we love it. Yeah. New from Stern. John Wick, the pinball machine. Collect weapons from a crate. We miss Lance Reddick. Rina Sawayama. First impressions. Elon Musk. All this and much more. Welcome to the Bash Pinball John Wick episode. Please don't kill me, John Wick. Please don't kill me, John Wick. Please don't kill me, John Wick. Okay. Because you still haven't seen it, right? I have not seen the John Wick pinball experience trailer. yeah I had to watch it because I just couldn't wait I don't know John Wick I mean you you had previously so you sent me that the link to the trailer and I kind of freaked out a little bit because I realized that was one of my dream themes yeah and I had no idea I mean was this maybe like hidden or kept pretty low key I guess because I heard nothing about it and I even thought about talking to you about making like a dream theme episode and like hitting you with that yeah well You had told me that. You had already mentioned that among other possible, you know, dream theme ideas. Yeah. You know, six months ago or so. So I'm actually really excited about this one. Yeah, I kind of am too. And also, you know, Keanu is in some of our favorite games. All the games that he's in are my favorite games. You know, including... Which is two games other than this one. So I'm hoping this is number three. Yeah. Like a third favorite. I can just forget about Jaws. Just, you know, leave it as is and just move on to John Wick. That's kind of what I want. You know, no hate. It's all love Pinball It's all love Right right But I can just say Jaws is Jaws Now I got John Wick Yeah That's what I want So now So now we have another opportunity We have to pray To the pinball gods That John Wick Is that game We shall see Give me your son John Wick Baba Yaga It was just a Freaking car just freaking dog just a dog as a theme if we just want to talk real quick about the theme you're obviously a big fan of the john wick franchise yeah yeah i wouldn't say i'm the biggest fan yeah and i'm kind of i don't know action film averse yeah but i love keanu and then somebody that i knew liked the john wick movies i think it was my stepdad or something Hispanic people tend to like action films exclusively. Okay. That's true, actually. That's news to me. Yeah, I know. My people love action movies. It's a weird thing. Maybe it's all the fighting and the violence. Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of Hispanic culture is rooted in cowboy culture. Yeah. So that makes sense. So I watched it, and the moment that I saw Keanu, I knew I was going to love it. I just knew. I don't know, man. He just makes it. It's not just any action film. It's not just... It's Keanu Reeves. Yeah. I don't know what it is about Keanu, but I always go in with low expectations to any movie with Keanu. Wow. Really? Yeah. I've just been burned a few times. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I only saw the first John Wick and I enjoyed it. Over the last several years, there's been several occasions where I was like, maybe I can watch the rest of the John Wick movies. but then I could never find them conveniently and I didn't really want to pay for them and they weren't on my streaming services. And then the newest one came out, the fourth one, and that one I actually really wanted to see. I just haven't caught up yet. I get it. I think I would have had the same thought had I not seen it kind of secondhand as a part of a group that was watching this movie. I don't think I would have necessarily gravitated towards them. I love these movies now and the little secret badass inside of me that I wish that I could disarm people that way. I wish that I could drive any vehicle invented. I wish that I could be such a loving, heart-filled, beautiful soul that is John Wick. Even though he's a cold-blooded killer. He's only killing bad guys. We call him Baba Yaga. The boogeyman? Well, John wasn't exactly the boogeyman. He was the one you sent to kill the freaking boogeyman. I love hitman movies, you know, like even more than John Wick. I love the professional. Oh, Natalie Portman. Yeah. Wow. You just took me way back. That was a movie that I this is going to sound really strange. I was living in Panama, so I was less than nine years old. Right. This was what, like 90? Professional was like maybe early to mid 90s. I going to tear it like 98 99 I remember Y2K was a thing Anyways so I was definitely in Panama I was definitely less than nine years old and that was my favorite movie oh really that was my favorite i don know why i love that movie maybe because ellie portman's character like was your age at the time yeah yeah and i kind of felt like maybe i could be her and he kind of treated her as an adult yeah the way that i wanted to be treated with like respect and you know you're a little kid and like someone that cares about you and loves you and yeah i love that movie dude i i'm gonna have to agree with yeah that's definitely better than john wick i mean that's like the best dream theme and and the other uh common thread with that in dracula is the villain is uh gary oldman and he just kills it no way so in bonkers no way i gotta watch it like now i didn't realize gary oldman was the villain yeah and he's insane it's amazing bring me everyone what do you mean everyone everyone but that's a classic and it was directed by luke besson who also the fifth element is like one of the coolest movies dream theme yeah that could be an amazing dream theme i mean the professional and the fifth element could be dream themes for me for sure stern take notes the professional i can see them actually doing the element i don't know about probably the professionals a little too obscure yeah it's not flashy enough yeah you're right although there are some pretty epic explosions in that movie i gotta say that's why it's a dream because we can only dream yeah theme but you did dream john wick i would have never honestly have you would have asked me like a month ago i would have said it was probably pretty low chances like maybe soon but i didn't realize it would be announced four days ago from today it's almost like too current of a franchise to have guessed that they would have made this a game but it seems like most of the games coming out are a little more retro themed you know jaws obviously came out in 1975 yeah and like the average pinball player is what like 50 yeah so yeah john wick is a little bit of a it's almost like a an acknowledgement of maybe the younger audience who's getting into pinball yeah maybe like yeah 20 year olds yeah 20 30 year olds john is a man of focus commitment sheer will something you know very little about I once saw him kill three men in a bar with a pimp with a freaking pimp this is the 2024 soon to be released trailer for John Wick pinball from Stern kind of a surprise game, I think. You haven't watched the trailer yet. I have, but we're going to watch it together for the first time. We're not going to make you sit through it, I don't think. Anyway, so this is going to be Donald watching the trailer for the first time and we're going to see what he thinks of it. And then I guess I can share my impression since I've already seen it. All right, Matthew. Sounds great. Hey, everybody. It's George Gomez at Stern Pinball. we're excited to tell you all about our latest hit game featuring the legendary hitman john wick i think it looks cool like yeah it looks cool i think just in terms of like aesthetics and you know stern's track record of making a having good artwork and stuff i think this is one of the better ones um i agree i agree i'm not throwing off right off the bat like i was with jaws you Yeah, and even George Gomez specifically said a world under glass. Yeah, exactly. They're trying to do more of that thing with this game, it seems like. Yeah, and it feels that way. It feels like you're in this city, right? Yeah, and there's a car and there's buildings. It reminded me a little bit of – that building reminds me of Dirty Harry. He's got a similar looking car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, Dirty Harry. That's right. It looks cooler and less cheap. But I noticed you did not – we're not a fan of the weapons crate. that is not a weapons crate yeah it's not it doesn't really do much but on the other hand like it's a somewhat unique bash toy kind of thing like i can't even think of anything quite like that in a game or do you do you just don't even get it yet yeah you have to open it and then i guess you retrieve the weapons but yeah the weapons are just like a little sticker it's like a square print of like knives or something yeah it's it's i mean you need machine guns like we need you know A katana, you know what I'm saying? That's one of the things about this game. There's no guns in it. On the whole play field in the game, there's no guns. Wait, are you serious? Yeah. How is that even possible? It's weird. It is weird. How is that possible? It's all swords and samurai type of weaponry. It's not guns. So I think there must have been some sort of... Like a violence situation? Yeah, like maybe the producers or the license holder was worried about kids. you know just exposing their their super ultra violent movie to to children or something i don't know do you think it was stern i doubt it no i don't think stern cares really no stern doesn't care about that stuff their games are loaded with with stuff right stern is feeling a little bit more disney world to me lately uh i don't know i mean if you look at stern's history it's i mean maybe lately it's not as yeah it seems more like family friendly well you're right with jaw jaws was very you know tame um yeah from like a blood and gore perspective but that could also have been the licensor so i mean all i'm saying is in the john wick films right yes they didn't want to portray violence i don't know how many running hours are in those films yeah if it's 10 9 of those 10 hours are guns there is a gun on the screen in somebody's hand or more than one yeah and things are blowing up yeah people are hitting each other in the face yeah yeah so that that's I don't know. It's weird. I at least put a katana in the weapons crate. Yeah. I think there's... Samurai sword. I think there's some, you know... Nunchucks. Some weapons depicted, but it's just swords and stuff. It just looks like little knives, little daggers. Yeah, and like the image of Keanu in the middle of the playfield, he's holding some nunchucks. Oh, okay. So he's already got the nunchucks. So then never mind. Don't put those in the weapons crate because he's already got them. Yeah, he's got them. So those are like his standard weapon. And then there is a little dog on one of the slings and another dog on the other sling. Both of his dogs. OK I love that That funny That that a plus That a points up I don hate the weapons crate thing It underwhelming like a lot of Stern toys are but at least it something If you compare this game to other Stern games, I think it has as much or more stuff in it than the recently released games. I agree. I think it's comparable. If you look at the play field and the artwork and everything and the ramps and everything, it just looks like a lot. It does. It does. It's a lot. I think they did a good job designing the play field to make it just look like there's a lot to do. There is a lot going on in a good way. There's three ramps. You know what, man? I'm happy with it, man. I think my first impression was actually pretty positive. I'm actually really looking forward to playing it because I think if Jaws felt underwhelming after playing it, I liked it more. going into this, I feel like I'm going to like it even more than that because it already feels pretty cool and different and kind of, I don't know, there's something about it that looks cool to me. It all has a vibe in it. I don't hate it. It's got a cool vibe. I don't hate it either. The only thing I hate is that Elon Musk is on the side of that. That's probably just one of the models. And now for an important message. Now listen, we're nobody's fool. You can't take people for granted. You can be with somebody every day and never really know them. So don't treat people like furniture. Don't treat a teammate like he's invisible. Because everybody is important on a real team. Take the time to find out what people are about. And you will be glad you did. Listen to a friend, Mr. T. And now, back to the show. So the video has like Tim Sexton as the lead game designer. But he's not the designer. He's the coder. like he's a coder he's just coded a bunch of games yeah so i just thought that was interesting they didn't actually mention the guy who actually is credited as the designer which is elliot Elliot Eismin this is his first game that he's designed and i think that's why they didn't maybe they didn't mention him because he's just not a known quantity doesn't have the cred this is the other thing that kind of got me happy about it he's been on mechanics like the toys and the machines of the games for a while. That's been his role up until now. So he did the Dildo Rocket. That's something. Presumably he did. He was mechanics on Bond, Rush, Turtles, Star Wars, Munsters, Ghostbusters. He's been around for a while and this is his first actual game design. I thought that was kind of funny that they didn't even mention. Why would they not give appropriate credit? I don't know. It was a little odd. But yeah, I mean, I'm also kind of, I'm just excited about a new game designer. You know, Foo Fighters had a, that was Jack Danger's first game. And it's different. It's weird. The layout is original, you know, does stuff that other games have never done before. And so, yeah, I'm just, I think the more like new designers that Stern gets in there, like the cooler stuff we're going to have. 100% man. yeah so i gotta shout out my girl reena okay okay like i'm a bigger fan of reena sawway yama than i am of the john wick movies so it was super cool to see her because she was in the fourth movie and it was like her first major acting role so you you're a fan of her as an artist like as a As a musical artist. Yeah, I remember you introduced me to some of her music. Yeah. I didn't realize she was who she was. Yeah, she's just like a weird modern pop artist who's really creative and does interesting stuff, I think. It's much needed. Check out Rina Sawayama. She's interested in pop. She actually had a song. I think she did the theme song or whatever for the fourth movie. Oh, really? Yeah, she was on the soundtrack for it. But in the way that they have artists do Bond songs, it was that kind of thing. It wasn't like her typical. It wasn't her music. It wasn't necessarily. I don't know that she wrote it the way that she writes her other stuff. But I just thought that was kind of cool. So I think the game actually encompasses all four movies. We have to figure out a way to play this game in a way that we can hear it. Yeah. Good evening, Mr. Wick. Good evening. How may I be of service? Is the doctor in? Yes, sir. 24-7. Send him up, please. Yes, sir. How good's your laundry? I'm sorry to say that no one's that good. No, I thought not. May I suggest a drink, sir? Bourbon, perhaps? So I think it's important to bring something up. Okay. A very beloved person that you and I are both fans of. Yeah. That was featured prominently in the game. And I think that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Lance Reddick. In the movies, he's the concierge, I guess, to Winston's right-hand man guy. I don't know if we mentioned, but it's Ian McShane who plays Winston, the owner of the Continental, who does the call-outs. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. They mentioned it in the trailer, actually. Oh, cool. So that's cool. I don't know if they'll have any other call-outs from other actors in the game. We need Lance Reddick. Yeah. Man, he would be great. I want to play it just to look for him. I wonder if Lance Reddick had been alive when they were doing this, if they might have gotten him to do the main call-outs. Because his voice is just iconic at this point. Yeah. He's just like – he passed away like a year ago and it was a huge bummer because he's not that old. And he's just in everything and he's so good in everything. He makes bad things good. Like did you ever see the Resident Evil Netflix series? Yeah, I did actually. It's horrible. I could only watch the first three episodes. But his scenes were His scenes It was like a breath of fresh air Yeah And he actually I think he played two characters He played like a twin of himself or a clone of himself or something crazy Well yeah he was the only watchable thing in that show Anything that he's in, he elevates. It's just, it was such a bummer. Like, I first watched him in Fringe. I first watched him in The Wire. Okay, I haven't watched The Wire yet. I'm going to watch that after Sopranos. That is, you know, to me, that is lifetime top three series. You know, that's what everybody says. Before you die, you have to watch what is out there. I mean, it's it's one of the few shows where I I forget the characters or characters and I think the real people. Yeah. And I start to feel things and emotionally connected with Lance Reddick. And, you know, it's just it's it's so it's so good that way, man. It was almost like what shows are trying to do now by being real. yeah right and make it yeah greedy in these like real life situations and stuff but yeah they're not they're fake yeah the wire it was real man it was it was really really um do yourself a favor yeah watch the wire featuring lance reddick as an actor he had so much gravitas you know just he brought the he brought the goods brought the weight of every role it was awesome it's cool to see him on that game on John Wick on the play field on a ramp but yeah I was just kind of a little sad to see him on there at the same time that one affected me more than a lot of them for a lot of those recent celebrity deaths I remember I had a moment where I paused my life for a second to really acknowledge what I was reading yeah that was a bummer it has been a pleasure Mr. Wick Goodbye. And now for a word from our sponsor. Power, power, power. Now you are playing with power. Punch out by Nintendo. Power, play with power. 11 world class contenders. Take them down with your controller, beat them all, and you've got a shot at Tyson's title. Play, play, play. Power, power. But for that, you've got to beat Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's punch out from Nintendo. Now you're playing with power. And now back to the show. So yeah, Don, what is your overall impression? You know, how did that video hit you? Right away, real quick. Not thinking too hard about it. The toys I thought could have been better. Yeah. I like the color schemes. I like the kind of immersive quality of being inside of the cabinet, having the city in the back. The car was kind of scaled to be as a part of the city. and the car I thought could have looked better. I like that it's there. I like the functions. I like the treasure chest idea. Not treasure chest. The weapons chest idea. I don't like the execution. I feel like there should have been more legit weapons in there or something. It's a little rinky-dink. But seeing that we have Keanu Reeves right beside Lance Reddick. Cool neon colors and stuff. I'm super stoked on this game. I think it's going to be awesome. I'm really excited to play it. specifically in a place that I can hear it. Yeah. But either way, I want to go out right now and play this freaking game. Yeah, yeah. Me too. I think as Stern games go, when there's a big license involved, you kind of assume it's going to be really stripped down, like Star Wars was, you know, the 2017 Star Wars. And there's just a bunch of examples of that. Led Zeppelin too. It's just so stripped down, you know. It just takes away so much. It's missing. It's missing stuff. And I feel like, I don't know, maybe this was a cheaper license probably than Star Wars or Led Zeppelin. But, you know, it seems like they had a little more of a budget for it overall. Maybe they're just putting a little more into their games now. I don't know. But whatever it is, like, I'm pretty happy about it. Like, I don't think this game doesn't feel phoned in at all to me. Like, on the whole, it feels like a good package. I agree. I agree. I think this is probably one of the more exciting ones for me. as of lately. Yeah. I mean, initial impression for me is like, I kind of want to get this game. You kind of want to buy it. I kind of want to buy it. I mean, I'm not going to buy it. I'm not going to buy it. Because I don't buy new cars. You don't buy new games. I don't buy new cars. I don't buy new pinball machines. So I don't know. This is more than any recent Stern game. This is one I might actually want to own. And I'm not even that into John Wick. I just think it's cool. It's fun. the surprise nature of this game also has me kind of excited is Stern increasing their game output or is this just more of a random one off or is this like a trend in the direction of are we getting more games that are going to be a little bit more interesting and exciting and different and not just like template copy paste new designers better toys more toys just general stuff and hopefully with John Wick you'll get the feels from playing it too not just watching the trailer Baba Yaga, let's do it John Wick, save us I'm excited about the future Thanks for listening to the Bash Pinball Podcast And as always it is a pleasure having you with us again Leave this territory now. Return to your home. Inoculate all personnel.
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high · Host notes: 'this is his first game that he's designed... I think that's why they didn't maybe they didn't mention him because he's just not a known quantity doesn't have the cred'

  • ?

    announcement: John Wick pinball officially announced by Stern 4 days before podcast recording; announced as a surprise with no prior industry leaks or speculation

    high · Host states: 'it was announced four days ago from today it's almost like too current of a franchise to have guessed that they would have made this a game'

  • ?

    product_strategy: John Wick features more substantial playfield design and toy elements compared to recent Stern releases; hosts note comparable or better feature set than recent games

    medium · Host states: 'If you compare this game to other Stern games, I think it has as much or more stuff in it than the recently released games'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: John Wick generating more genuine enthusiasm from hosts than recent Stern releases; hosts expressing willingness to own game despite typically not purchasing new machines

    high · Donald: 'This is more than any recent Stern game. This is one I might actually want to own... I'm super stoked on this game'