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Episode 44: Special Guest Martin (Tribe Member#2), Hardbody History Lesson!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Feb 12, 2020
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball interviews Martin, covers Laser War restoration and Stern Stranger Things quality issues.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode featuring Martin Reinhart (tribal member #2), a long-time pinball enthusiast and content creator from Pennsylvania who moved to Florida and now Wisconsin. The hosts discuss Martin's background in media production and pinball restoration, deep-dive into laser war restoration work with airbrush techniques, cover industry news including Twippies hosting changes and Stern quality control issues with Stranger Things (playfield dimples, mechanical problems requiring rubber band fixes), and debate game design philosophy around rethemeing and customization.

Key Claims

  • Stern Stranger Things has widespread playfield crater and dimple issues requiring community fixes with foam and rubber bands

    high confidence · Drew and Ian discussing pin side owner threads and specific mechanical issues like Demogorgon shot reliability and telekinesis mech over-tightening

  • Martin bought an Austin Powers machine new in box from California, regrets not buying Simpsons instead

    high confidence · Martin Reinhart discussing his early collecting experience

  • Iron Maiden has superior long-term gameplay appeal compared to theme; won TWIPPIES despite Stern dominance in awards

    medium confidence · Drew and Ian discussing gameplay depth vs. theme in Iron Maiden; speculation about Jurassic Park competing this year

  • Metallica machines are dropping to $5,000 price point on secondary market

    high confidence · Martin mentioning seeing Metallica machines at five grand, Ian confirms price drop

  • Zach Meny and Greg Bone stepping down from TWIPPIES hosting duties due to workload and possible tension with TWIP/Pinball Network

    high confidence · Drew citing Twipp announcement on Pinside Monday; speculation about reasons for departure

  • Jurassic Park appears to have minimal quality control issues compared to Stranger Things

    medium confidence · Ian noting lack of complaints from Jurassic Park community despite complex playfield vs. Stranger Things fan layout issues

  • Ian used 90% brush work and 10% airbrush for Laser War restoration to preserve detail in pop bumper explosions

    high confidence · Ian describing restoration technique for Laser War playfield touchups

  • Martin is relocating from Florida to Wisconsin in April or May

    high confidence · Martin stating relocation plans and considering selling Austin Powers machine

Notable Quotes

  • “You post on here too much.”

    Pinside commenter (via Drew) @ early — Community response to frequent Poor Man's Pinball episode announcements; self-deprecating joke about podcast frequency

  • “I'm going to be fucking pissed...you're getting a pro right? No premium. Oh she's gonna be growling.”

    Drew @ mid — Expresses frustration about Jurassic Park Premium requiring fixes out of box; acknowledges expensive purchase commitment

  • “I sold my soul and they said more. So I gave up my house, my Alice Cooper, and my soul.”

    Drew @ mid — Humorous exaggeration about cost of Jurassic Park Premium; self-aware about collector spending

  • “If you take away Maiden's art and theme...you can theme it with anything, it's going to be one of the best games ever.”

    Ian @ late — Core argument about Iron Maiden's mechanical design quality transcending theme; 2,000 plays testament to gameplay depth

  • “This is doing the same product basically since the 30s and 40s and you should know how to pack it up by now.”

    Ian @ late — Critique of Stern shipping/quality control given pinball industry maturity and decades of manufacturing experience

  • “I actually think at some point they're gonna start doing like how you do with a car where you walk in and you say okay I like this, I like this, I like this.”

    Martin @ late — Speculation about future customization model for pinball machines; references Spooky model for configuration

  • “You have a family. You have kids. You work a full-time job. You have a distributorship...a weekly podcast...It's a lot of work.”

    Drew @ mid — Analysis of Zach Meny's workload explaining possible TWIPPIES departure; empathetic take on burnout

  • “Pinbot was the first obsession, huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.”

    Martin @ early — Origin story for Martin's pinball passion; college bar machine led to collecting

Entities

Martin ReinhartpersonDrewpersonIanpersonStern PinballcompanyZach MenypersonGreg BonepersonJeff Dodson

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern Stranger Things experiencing widespread playfield dimpling/cratering and mechanical issues (Demogorgon unreliability, telekinesis mech over-tightening) requiring community fixes with foam and rubber bands

    high · Multiple Pinside owner thread reports; Drew and Ian describing specific mechanical problems; community-driven troubleshooting required out of box

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Ian completing detailed Laser War playfield restoration using 90% brush work with Createx acrylic airbrush paint and Humboldt enamels for color matching; planning water-based clear coat application in basement due to winter weather constraints

    high · Detailed technical discussion of tools, paint products, application methods; photos posted to Facebook; sprayer research ongoing

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Zach Meny and Greg Bone stepping down as TWIPPIES hosts after unnamed period; search underway for new hosts with one month timeline; possible tension between Zach and TWIP/Jeff Dodson over Pinball Network launch

    high · TWIP official announcement on Pinside; speculation about workload burnout (Zach: family, kids, full-time job, distributorship, weekly podcast); Jeff Dodson response vague

  • $

    market_signal: Metallica machines declining to $5,000 on secondary market; Martin and Ian buying used machines in 'second tier' price range rather than new; Austin Powers/Simpsons example of early buying regrets on pricing parity

    high · Martin confirming five grand price point for Metallica; Ian reference to 'Poor Man's Pinball' badge for second-tier buyers; Martin's purchasing strategy based on price drops

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
game's over losers oh yeah it's time the wait is over you've waited a week or more and now it is finally here the time has come for this week's Poor Man's Pinball Podcast starring Drew and starring Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:53
On a night of this camping day, I'm a bitch, and my drink is green. I'm gonna drink my drink. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 44. The only pinball podcast that dances to the beat of its own drum. And the sloppiest show on the internet. How you doing today? I'm doing fine, Drew. It's Ian and Drew together again. Another week. We made it. A paradise. Nice. We're back. Just when you think, those guys can't possibly put out another episode. People keep saying that. They're like, this has to be the last week. The best one was somebody I was posting, I think it was episode 43 on Pinside, just like, hey, new episode up. And somebody was like, you post on here too much.
1:40
Best burn ever. Oh, I love it. We have a guest today, Drew. We do. We got Martin Reinhart. Martin, listener number 15, Martin. Martin, are you here? I'm here. Oh, my God, he's here. in the voice in the voice martin is our tribe member number two he locked down that number two spot pretty quickly he did and we've been trying to do this for a while and here we are it's all coming together the magic's in the air for you guys who don't know martin's the one that does a lot of our uh you know what do you call it right intros that kind of stuff yeah all of our bump music we don't have bump music but if we did is that a thing now we're all just saying words nobody knows well thanks for all those we're really happy to have you here today martin thanks martin all right man drew what you drinking man uh gin and bourbon would that be a bourbon ginger or ginger bourbon not gin but ginger ginger ale yeah no dude it's it is what it is i guess i guess gin and bourbon wouldn't taste too good together but it's gin and bourbon bourbon no no that just makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit ginger bourbon is a lot better than that yeah i'm just gonna say now nah so it's a ginger ale and bourbon yes okay jim beam jim beam all right i am drinking uh we're gonna go some johnny walker black label oh you're doing it that bottle is almost empty, man. Yeah, but I got a whole other bottle. I got one of those big obnoxious bottles. So instead of looking like a big alcoholic with a bunch of two-liter bottles of booze, I pour them into smaller, more manageable bottles that makes me look like a connoisseur or an alcoholic rather than an alcoholic.
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Stern Stranger Thingsgame
Stern Jurassic Parkgame
Iron Maidengame
Metallicagame
Austin Powersgame
Laser Wargame
Dr. Dudegame
Flying Carpetgame
8-Ball Deluxegame
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Midwest Gaming Classic (MGC)event
Dave Brennanperson
Dan Lewistonperson
Spooky Pinballcompany
Poor Man's Pinball Podcastorganization

manufacturing_signal: Stern quality control gaps despite 70+ years of pinball manufacturing experience; shipping and packing procedures not evolved to prevent damage during transit; comparison to automotive industry standards

high · Ian comment: 'This is doing the same product basically since the 30s and 40s and you should know how to pack it up by now'; multiple shipping-related damage reports

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Stern Stranger Things Demogorgon shot unreliable even with rubber band workarounds; community developing custom fixes; mechanics described as 'way too much' requiring owner troubleshooting

    high · Specific pin side thread discussion; rubber band fix details; community consensus on excessive tweaking required

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Growing frustration with Stern quality at premium price points ($12-15k); collectors expressing buyer's remorse about out-of-box mechanical issues; expectation setting lower for major releases

    medium · Drew's frustration about Jurassic Park requiring fixes; Martin expressing dismay at having to tinker with new $15k machine; comparison to past standards

  • ?

    collector_signal: Growing collector base interested in highly customized/unique machines; Martin and Ian discussing future Stern model where buyers configure games similar to automotive or Spooky model; speculation about premium pricing for customization ($12-15k base to $15k+)

    medium · Martin's car analogy discussion; mention of Florida collector with 50+ heavily modded machines costing $20k+ each; desire for differentiation from mass-produced games

  • ?

    community_signal: Growing interest in playfield restoration and DIY techniques; Dave Brennan launching TurboGrafx-7 Twitch series on basic restoration without specialized tools; airbrush/brush technique documentation becoming valued community content

    medium · Ian promoting TurboGrafx-7 series; detailed technical discussion of restoration methods; Facebook photo sharing of in-progress work

  • ?

    event_signal: Poor Man's Pinball planning Laser War game reveal at Midwest Gaming Classic (MGC) with dedicated booth; Data East title selected for community showcase outside of manufacturer pipeline

    high · Drew and Ian discussing MGC plans; Dan Lewiston confirmed to attend; booth setup in planning stages

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Community debate on whether theme or mechanical design determines long-term appeal; Iron Maiden cited as example of superior gameplay transcending theme; speculation that same layout with different IP would work equally well

    medium · Ian's argument about removing Maiden's theme; 2,000 plays testament; discussion about Jurassic Park vs. Stranger Things shot design complexity

  • ?

    industry_signal: TWIPPIES award credibility questioned due to Stern market dominance (90% of sales = 90% of votes); hosting transition possibly motivated by award system dysfunction; discussion of inherent bias toward majority manufacturer

    medium · Drew and Ian noting Stern wins due to volume, not game quality; speculation about separation of church and state for hosts; Jeff Patterson's prior concerns about impropriety

    • 3:31
    That and one of those little swirly straws fits in it real nice. Oh, the swirly straw drinking your Johnny Blacker. Yeah.
    3:39
    That's how you class it up. You guys, no, I do not do swirly straws. That's a Zach Many thing. That's not me, okay? Those aren't allowed in this basement. Yeah, absolutely. So, what are we talking about today, Drew?
    3:54
    Well, we're going to introduce the world to Martin. So let's just start with that. Perfect. Let's do that. Martin, tell us about yourself, man. Tell us about pinball, your love of pinball, what you're doing, pinball.
    4:05
    All right. I'm trying to think where to start. I guess I grew up in Pennsylvania, graduated from Penn State, moved to Florida back in the 90s, and I've been graphic artists and all kinds of stuff like that. I did a TV show for a while on Public Access. I've been doing podcasts at least two or three a week since 2006. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't gloss over that. Tell us about a TV show on Public Access. What was the TV show? Well, it was called Dubbed 420, and we took old B movies and we dropped out of the sound completely. and then we remixed them with like the worst dialogue you can think of and put like punk music in like it was and we had skits where we blew stuff up and burned stuff and smashed stuff it was pretty it's pretty intense is this stuff on the internet a lot of fun doing it though is this stuff on the internet no i have it but i haven't put it up on the internet because it's not very correct by today's like i like if you looked at it today you'd be like oh these guys were terrible like put it on the internet and get burned at the stake with the rest of us advice from a champion for a champion oh and then uh because then the tv show the public access show got closed because of the funding got cut which was sad you know yeah and then that's when we just started doing the podcast and then that's it i started with pinball like um in the 90s well i mean of course i played it when I was a kid. There was always pinball machines that were around. I always played them. I really loved Pinbot when I was in college. I used to go to this one bar that had a Pinbot, and I would play the hell out of it. Pinbot was the first obsession, huh?
    5:43
    Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then I just started buying them and fixing them up. My first one I bought and fixed up was a flying carpet, like this old EM game.
    5:54
    I didn't really know much about them other than I knew how to fix things like cars and stuff like that. So I would do that kind of work, metal work and painting like I was doing a car, but I was doing it on pinball machines. Nice. And then you learn more and more. And then I got into an 8-Ball Deluxe. Okay. And that one had termite damage, which scared the hell out of me. And that's when I learned about termites. So you open this thing up and there's just like termites coming out? No, they were gone. What happened was the person that had it tented the house, they put it in a house that got tended. So there wasn't live ones in there. But when you tap the side, like the dust came down on it, that freaks you out. You just want to burn the machine at that point. Sure. But sold that. And then I just started buying. I bought the Austin Powers new on the crate. It got shipped from California.
    6:51
    That's how you know you've been in it a long time. He bought an Austin Powers new in box. That's awesome. Yeah, that is pretty sweet.
    6:59
    Yeah, but I felt like an idiot because then the next one they came out with was the Simpsons one. Whoops, wrong choice. I was like, I bought an Austin Powers and I could have had a Simpsons.
    7:09
    Yep, and those were about the same price at that time, right? Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, live and learn, right? Live and learn. Austin Powers looks like a beautiful machine. I've never actually played one, but I hear it's just like the sounds, the call-outs are just obnoxious. after a while that's all i've really heard about that game yeah there it's that one's actually on the bubble because like i'm gonna be moving to wisconsin uh in the very near future we're talking like april or may oh yeah it's coming not sure if i want to yeah if i want to sell that one and just come up with a pocket of cash and buy a metallica or buy you know one of those ones off my top 10 list oh you want a metallica just keep it and yeah well they're dropping down to five grand now yep they sure are i'm seeing them for five you know i can't i can't go out and buy new ones too much so i kind of wait for them to hit that second tier sure and try and finagle you're in the right place the poor man's pinball podcast second tier is what we do hell yeah i wear that wear that badge proudly yes yes as you should so tell us so metallica is one of your favorite games then yeah it's on my i have like a top 10 I kind of keep finicking with and thinking of, like keeping in mind in case I find one or see one, you know. Like Dr. Dude was on my top ten. It was pretty low on the top ten. It wasn't like number one or whatever like that. So like when one popped up, I started thinking about it, and then you start looking at it. What's it going to take to get it? How much is it going to cost? What's it going to take, you know? There are few men or women brave enough in this hobby to say Dr. Dude's in their top ten. Yeah, you didn't have to qualify that saying it wasn't number one. You know, it could be your number one. We're all friends here. You didn't have to lie about it. Yeah, we all know you love it. Hey, we all have two or three in our top tens that everyone else looks at you and goes, what are you thinking? Well, you know, if you're going to tell someone a game that's in your top ten, you don't start off with number ten, right? That's all I'm saying. You went right to Dr. Dude, guys. Hey, but the first guy kicked off of the podcast is weird. No, no judgment here. Have you met us? Yeah, dude, we were even going to think it. We were thinking about buying a Dr. Dude not too long ago. Yep, yep. I've been looking at all kinds of stuff like that. There's one in the area that's still for sale. It's been for sale for a while. So I keep watching it go down. I bought a Laser War. Ian and I are fixing up a Laser War. Laser War, when it's all done, it's going to be like a $3,000 Laser War. That's worth $2,000. It's worth $1,500, bro.
    9:39
    That's why my wife keeps joking because I'm doing all this shit to make this Dr. Dude perfect. And she's like, all that shit, $1,800. How you bought it? $1,800.
    9:48
    That's right. That's like any hobby, though. Stuff just doesn't translate into sales dollars. It's all about the love.
    9:58
    And now, the moment you've all been waiting for. Of course, I'm talking about the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, Personal Pinball News. poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news so we don't have a lot of uh new stuff as we know i'm still waiting on jurassic park um but the big news is you guys i know you guys are always waiting for the laser war updates so everybody cares about laser they do which is awesome so ian actually did a lot of work on this week i didn't get a chance to so tell us what you did buddy yeah i've been taking time away from my daughter to make sure this laser war looks beautiful he's looking at me with like a guilt trip type face no i would never i'll be over to help you soon buddy i don't uh okay bring your rocks but now i just um so laser war laser war um we got done with touch-ups there's uh some marker that we need we need to mark some uh some lettering acrylic markers um but i use that createx uh airbrush paint the acrylic stuff Ian's got a knack for this. You guys go on our Facebook page. We have some pictures on there, don't we? I can put some more on there. Yeah, we just got pictures of Ian's touch-up work. He's soliciting some work now. He'll paint your play fields. He's doing good. I'm proud of him. Thanks, Drew. Have you ever seen those humbled enamels? Humbled enamels? No, for like those little figurines? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Humbled enamels. No, it's a paint kind. It's a pretty nice color match, too. Humboldt. It's just small little cans of enamel that you can use. Is that what you use on your play fields for a lot of them?
    11:44
    Yes. Some of them, yeah. Gotcha. Just interjecting. Sorry. No, you're good, man. That's what you're here for, man.
    11:51
    Interject away. No, I did use the airbrush a little bit. 90% of it was brush, just meticulous brushing and making sure I get. There's so much details and stuff in there, I didn't want to sit all day with an airbrush. So the brush it was, but it turned out real nice. Now I've got to focus on the cabinet. We need to get that play field out of the cabinet, too, to put it on our rotisserie. And clear coat's next. Clear coat and cabinet work. Are you going to shoot the clear coat? I'm going to shoot the clear coat. I've got a sprayer. I got a few products that I am toying with, researching a little bit. I don't know. Since it's still winter here in sunny Wisconsin, I don't think I want to go too crazy because I will probably end up spraying this fucker in my basement. So with that being said, it'll probably have to be a water-based clear coat.
    12:52
    Right. So no sledgehammers. No sledgehammers. Yeah, I don't know. The stuff that actually Dave Brennan from TurboGrafx-7's streaming channel, he got me on this clear coat that he found on Amazon, and I did some research. It looks legit. So automotive clear, it's water-based, it's H7 hardness in the pencil hardness scale for you nerds out there. Yeah, if any of you guys are interested in any of this stuff, check out TurboGrafx-7 on Twitch. they're starting like kind of a series of um yeah playfield touch-ups restoring for for real basic do-it-yourself stuff where you don't need special uh tools right you just you just need some the willingness to try it so that that's going to be cool we're looking forward to that are you guys good with that little air do you i'm assuming you have one of those little like hobby air air brushes right yeah like a little tiny i picked up one at amazon yeah your standard airbrush that hooks up to a compressor or was it like 12 bucks 15 uh this kit was 20 because it came with like the oil water separator and a few other little goodies that you may want when running it on a compressor and people are like what well when you run on a compressor one thing that happens with compressors is you get moisture in the line so this actually helps separate that moisture in the line and um there's like a little glass um case or a little glass bubble thing that will trap that moisture so when you're spraying is clear or clean air you know um without any moisture so you don't have to worry about any kind of water droplets in your paint because like i picked up one of those kits but i have like one of those little small real small air compressors that run it you know like it's almost like a hobby size i have a real air compressor but then i have like this small and i've been trying to practice with it but man i can't make that thing do shit yet it takes a lot I think that takes a lot of practice. Yeah, I just figured that usually with those air compressor or those air brushes that dial on the very back, that really controls the air, right? Or does that control the needle? Yeah, yeah. Either way, that's the one that really helps with dialing. You can never go too small when you're first starting. Sure, because you're doing a small area. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, as long as you're careful with it. I mean, obviously, you're not going to be able to cut any lines with an airbrush. You know, you're still going to need your tape or, in this case, fiscus. You know, that's what I use. But anything with a lot of details, like I said, Laser War has these pop bumper explosion things that I wasn't going to cut out each individual explosion. Yeah, for small areas, sometimes you're better off just with a little tiny artist brush and stuff, depending on what you're doing. Those are cool looking, too. Yeah. So, hell. Hey, getting it done, man. That's laser war, baby. Hey, we're still looking for an MGC reveal. Yeah, it's still on the docket. None of the manufacturers are coming there with a game. We're going to unveil this beast there. We're going to have our own booth. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I've emailed Dan Lewiston because he was on our show, so we're best friends. And I said, hey, it's Ian from the Poor Man's Spinball Podcast. We're going to have a game reveal. It's going to be called Laser War. It's from Data East. What do you think? And then his response was, who's Ian? Yeah. Joe Kamenka is going to be there. Now taking order. Yes. Yeah.
    16:22
    Yes. We will build 10 more of these as soon as we can find 10 more of them. Hit the play field with a sledgehammer, big old hole in the play field. Got to repair that. Whoops. I got all sorts of things going on. Just you two floating away in a hot air balloon with sacks of money twirling your mustaches going, Yes. As you float away. Perfect. I love it. We need Franchi to draw that for us on a t-shirt. Franchi, you listening? Me and you in a hot air balloon. Love it. Romance. What's the word he hates? It's the... Satisfying. Satisfying, because nobody can put it in a satisfying sentence. He would draw that. It would be so satisfying. It would be satisfying if Franchi would just like the word satisfying. Are you listening, Franchi? Satisfactory. All right. What else we got there? Just kind of a general pinball news, I guess, before we get into the manufacturers. So the Twippies are no longer going to be hosted by Greg and Zach. Yeah, I saw that. What do we know about that? What happened? Twipp posted that on Pinside today, on Monday, as we're recording this. They just said that, yeah, Zach and Greg are stepping down from the hosting duties. Hosting duties.
    17:36
    Who's hosting it? They don't know yet. Oh. Well, I guess they have a month or so to figure it out. Yeah, it's our audition tape right now.
    17:42
    Hey, Jeff, are you listening? Hey, Jeff. I look damn good in the suit, and I could be, you know. I could be somewhat sober.
    17:51
    That's better than Greg Bone last year. He was pretty tore up. Sure. Yeah. So it's like I'll fit right in. Yeah, you got to keep your dick in your pants. Oh, sorry, Jeff. I withdraw my application.
    18:06
    That's a deal breaker, Jeff. This is me sliding my application back across the table. Oh, I thought that was you putting your dick back in your pants. Could be either. You never know. You never know with this show. It's one motion. Yeah. Just pull the resume back, slide it right back in your pants. That's all. Oh, this show. Do you think that they quit because they heard so much shit about it? They just got tired? Yeah, I think that's part of it. I honestly think the other part is Zach is only one man. He is doing a lot. Oh, yeah. You have a family. You have kids. You work a full-time job. You have a distributorship where you're trying to get off the ground to make some more money for your family. I mean, you know, you do a weekly podcast. Now you start a pinball network or whatever. It's a lot of work. I mean, Ian and I, you know, we scramble every week just to kind of get here to do this. Oh, it's a scramble. Can't you tell? Yeah, we're scrambling. Yeah, we put a lot of effort into it.
    19:13
    I was trying to be kind. Yeah, hours and hours. But that's my point is, you know, we use limited resources for this, and we don't put in nearly the kind of time that he does, you know. And then I don't know what Greg Bone's, you know, obligations are, but, you know, he's got a wife and kids too. I just think that maybe the split from Twip and Zach not really telling Jeff about the pinball network. Yeah, there could be some sour. There's some animosity there maybe. Yeah. Maybe. I'm not one to do the drama. Drama. so much drama regarding twippies i don't know so is it even worth doing it twippies just i've just thrown it out there i actually have more of a separation of church and state kind of thing like he would never be able to win that award that he covets because he's the guy running it so people be like well i'm not i'm not you know even if you love this week in pinball you're not going to vote for it because you're like well that's their freaking right award yeah right yeah i think a lot of times he was working and never getting the accolades he's like well this sucks yeah you know so he's probably just like i'll just go do my own thing yeah because even even that might be wrong yeah i don't know no but you're right but even jeff patterson went on record saying you know he thought it was always kind of weird and he didn't want any impropriety you know kind of stuff going on yeah i just mean like twippy the twippies in general usually it goes down it boils down to a stern most most most of the stern guys win those because sure They make the most games, and people buy them the most. They have 90% of the market. I mean, what other awards like podcasting? That's just where all the drama comes from. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but let's just say Wonka would have came out the same year as Iron Maiden last year. Do you think Wonka would have won Game of the Year instead of Iron Maiden, or it still would have been the same? I still think, well, Iron Maiden sold so well. You know, that's my point. I understand this year is a little different because Jurassic Park is maybe the better game overall. But, you know, Wonka obviously has a horse in the race. But it's definitely not going to win just for the reasons you just said. Yeah. Because, you know, Stern just sells so many more games and it just is what it is. I got you. That's all. I get it. I don't know. Do you think Maiden has the, like, the long-term love? Yes. It really hit big, but then it – do you think still now people love Maiden? I do because, once again, there's that sect of people out there that love just good pinball games. They're into the rules, the tournament-type players.
    21:49
    For sure. They're deep. The deep rules and a lot of good shots. Because that's the thing. I always said that. If you take away Maiden's art and theme and kind of – you can theme it with anything, it's going to be one of the best games ever. it's just fun to shoot hitting those loops over and over is awesome i and i know i put 2 000 games on a maiden a literal 2 000 games i played iron maiden that's awesome and and then guess what i went to somewhere the other day and i played maiden because it was there i'm not i'm not sick of it would i ever have it in my house again no but and that boils down to the theme part i guess but um but it just an amazing game so i even grew up with maiden you know i like i grew up with that music around me sure that so i like a little bit but the gameplay is great That what it boils down to After a while it like enough of the Flight of Icarus or whatever Yeah, correct. It's a good game. It's a great shooting game, though. It's a lot of fun. I think, and people are going to burn me at the stake, but I'm used to it, so whatever. Here goes. Nobody burns you at the stake. Quit being melodramatic. Everyone loves you, Drew. I'm such a martyr. Yeah. um let them hate me for a while it'll be fine yeah stern should take some of these games like iron maiden like jurassic park um deadpool they should they should retheme them into other stuff whoa don't be a dick drew yeah i know i just i just set the pinball world on fire shame on you know because because these games these games are not fan layouts we'll talk about that and you know they're unique and people love them for the shots and stuff just make them other games so you say hey you can either have this deadpool or you can have this archer you know you can have this iron maiden or you can have a goonies you know but it's the same layout yes no no i actually think yeah maybe i mean i actually think that at some point they're gonna start doing like how you do with a car where you walk in and you say okay i like this i like this i like this and then i like this color and i like this you you like accessorize from them and then then your machine comes in like two months sure i i'm saying that kind of like the spooky model choosing yep i i totally agree with that but even more it could be even more you know you could even be like i want two bumpers instead of three they don't care if as long as you're giving them the 12 000 yeah whatever no you're right if they did that for yeah it'd be nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars would be base price and it could go up to 15 grand and these collectors would go nuts for that and they would have a custom game do what you do yeah yeah and some of these guys i'm there's a guy in florida who has the whole bottom of his house is pinball machines and every one of them is minimum 20 000 he has done every single thing you can do to every single game sure where he does the powder coat and he gets every mod and he just makes them perfect invisiglass yeah everything and they're perfect and you walk up to him and you're like you're like oh my god this is more than my car yes and he has 50 of them yep you know my asshole just tightened up listening to that oh i was like oh that's so much money god people have too much money yeah but there's people out there that like that it doesn't surprise me shockingly enough but being in this hobby as long as i have now the the way the collectors now that it is more home environments and like you said these these uh meticulous collectors sure we'll see that they have the money you know most of these guys it's not about the money it's about getting something that's rare getting something that's unique you know so yeah they'll shout the i actually thought yeah i thought that might be where deep roots going i actually think the way this guy talks that might be like their business model and i don't know i don't know anything about anything about it you know but i was i was trying to tell us what you know martin you sound like you know something i wish but you know now it just seems like the way he talks he's good they're gonna oh they're revolutionizing well that's kind of bullshit but i he might do that like don't don't call him out somebody hey hey i sell deep root pinball machines that's a joke sorry we're shows them sorry deep roots great no i'm just kidding you you talk all the shit you want martin that's what we do here how about how about stern okay we'll go into stern stern uh stranger things what do we what do we think about all these uh you know we're back to play feel issues and brand new games that have craters dimples uh you gotta fix some stuff because you know the the demogorgon doesn't quite work right yeah have you seen the pin side uh owner's thread it's like a complete everybody's working on fixes for this game it's like troubleshooting it really is out of control there's a there's a there's a guy who found a way where the demi gordon gorgon shot is a little bit more reliable and more consistent by putting a rubber band on the demi gorgon and pushing it a little bit more forward uh there's a guy that was using foam but he turns out the foam wasn't working all that well the telekinesis shot um that mech back there can be over tightened so people are loosening it up by literally getting back there and unscrewing shit and moving things around so that they we're back to don't this is way too much exactly too much don't don't they play test you know like we talked about sure they're not gonna put 100 games on it but they put five or six i mean they have to test it to make sure it works isn't that part of that yeah yeah it's it was it was you know i heard a little bit on uh canada i think you released it on saturday and i was like that sounds crazy so i did a little bit investigating it's even kind of worse than what canada was saying because i know we know about the playfield craters yeah apply you know the dimples it's it's a little bit worse because of that oh that ramp shot that ball goes flying and yeah there's more air balls yeah definitely it definitely lands on that clear coat way too hard and uh it's creating more than just your your average dimpling but now we're getting into rubber band fixes no i agree machine is i've got a record you go ahead martin i was gonna say i'm sorry that's crazy because and i usually don't care so much about the little stuff it's just a machine you play the hell out of it but when you start talking about like having to fix things that's disheartening like man i bought this for all that money and i'm sitting here dicking around with foam and rubber bands bullshit on that no no yes right i i agree wholeheartedly i was going to say the same thing like the dimples you know i'm going to get my jurassic park there's going to be some dimples on it when i'm playing i'm fine with that i really am it is what it is so that doesn't bother me yeah exactly that's pinball baby that's pinball baby but if i break the machine by a crazy like shot i did hey man that's pinball baby i'm not gonna be mad at stern yeah but if i open it out of the box and i gotta put rubber bands up and and and fix some mechs before i even get a game on there if i have to rubber band that's a problem if i have to rubber band my t-rex i'm gonna be fucking pissed you're getting a pro right no premium oh you got a premium oh she's gonna be growling and yeah big money do you know what i sold for that my kidney you're like my soul yeah i only have and i couldn't alice cooper's pissed right now yeah i i couldn't i couldn't afford it by selling one kidney i had to sell one and a half kidneys so now now my drinking is really gonna get to me like i i sold my soul and they said more so i gave up my house my uh my um alice cooper and my soul then they were like pretty much that'll that'll do it the devil's like i'll take alice cooper and your soul got any more soul around nope sorry this is it man it's all i got yeah so yeah so anyone once again with all the hate mail about oh poor man's buying a premium well i just sold alice cooper and i'm that's how i'm paying for it so it happens man it does it does but i'm excited but anyways no to to the point though yeah if i got like yeah the t-rex doesn't work or you know it doesn't people have been saying that too or like you know the ball doesn't you know get eaten by the t-rex you got to make some adjustments you know i understand shipping and stuff it jostles it around but there there comes a point of like come on get this right yeah this is doing the same product basically since the 30s and 40s you should know how to pack it up by now yeah so it's yeah it's just it's just funny that that jurassic park seems to be void of these issues only because there's not a ton going on in there are certain people ever going to come on the show i don't know i don't know but you would think though if you put a jurassic park with all the different things to shoot and a stranger things next to it with just like the fan layout you don't i'd almost assume there'd be more tinkering with a jurassic park but no they're built solidly you know you never hear that from the jurassic park crowd no you're right it's just interesting well part you know playing devil's advocate i think part of that is shit because jurassic park was so much better received so there's probably people on pin side that are looking for that kind of um stranger thing stuff because it wasn't received as well martin how'd you like jurassic park have you gotten a chance to play it yeah i played that up at um that was another one up at that second player two is that the name of it yeah player two um yeah the whole row of them had him up there and i played that was the one in the end they just got it in i dug it i didn't think i was gonna because i didn't care about that theme that wasn't it's a fine theme it just isn't like a dream theme for me right but as i started playing it i was like wow this has some great rules it's fun you know uh one game i really fell in love with that i had no interesting was the elvira house of horrors totally agree yeah i put like 50 games on that thing and i'm like i can't stop playing it i want to buy one so bad you know and i never thought i would buy an elvira game but man i know and what i loved about elvira is it's so much fun but it's just priced just a little higher than i would want to spend on one that's how i felt about the the beatles like when i first saw the beatles i was like whoa that's beautiful and then when i started to actually play it i was like i'm in love with this game but i'm not in love with the price and but the elvira i almost felt the same thing like i'm in love with this game i'm not in love with the price so so for a pro price would you be in on one of those an elvira yeah maybe yeah it's definitely closer than what i you know than a recent stern for me so like 59.99 or 6 000 bucks you'd consider it i'd consider it yeah absolutely all right i would jump on one and you know my the beetles my wife loves the beetles oh she plays that game that she plays the hell out of it so good that's on my top 10 list and i it's one i have to get in the house sooner rather than later wait dr dude wasn't on her top 10 list no it was just outside she married dr dude bro she was like what is this abomination i'd be like it's gonna be beetles next don't worry about it i love it i love it let me get dr dude and the beetles are coming i would i would send her like the pictures of the doctor dude on her phone or like i would start i recorded that doctor dude rap it's like this rap song he starts singing and i like send that to her you know that's awesome she puts up with a lot wait are we still talking about your wife or my wife it's hard to tell anymore they do put up with a lot yeah that's cool though i dig yeah i dig i dig elvira but yeah No, you're right, because I was kind of the same. I played it at Expo, and I couldn't hear it. And I'm like, yeah, it's okay, whatever. And then, yeah, I've been playing it at one of our local spots, and it is so good. So much fun. Yeah. Cool. I dig it. It just is one that kind of came and went. A lot of people don't talk about it so much anymore. But it's just, I mean, because then right after that was the Stranger Things, and people went nuts for that. Yeah, well, Vyra, you know, wasn't a cornerstone. That was another contract game, whatever you want to call it. Like a kapow, but not kapow. Yeah.
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    Just another thing on the line to make a lot of money. Which it did. Yeah. No, it's fine. It is a great game. I would say it's one of Stern's better games. But yeah, it's just Batman 66, Beatles, all those games. But like I said, they're really expensive. They are. And they don't seem to drop down very fast. That's the other problem. I live in that pool of not beat up too bad, but beat up. That's how I get in on it, then I fix it. And they don't drop so much. Deadpool isn't dropping so quick. Metallica's not dropping. You're still going to pay some decent money for these machines now.
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    You're 100% right. Not for this show, but maybe one of the next shows. The local dealer in Florida was best friends with Stern. like he like he he helped like stern's gary stern's motorcycle was was at this guy's house when he came down he would ride with him and stuff oh shit so i was at some parties with gary stern at this guy's place like this distributor would have a party and everything like that so it's not this show but one of these shows i'll get into some of these because he's a crazy guy he's the more you you learn about some of the stuff the funnier it gets but you know yeah absolutely i'll have to talk to you about it yeah there's some interesting stories all right that's a good tease then martin a good tease that's a good one all right well let's uh let's move on to the next one i don't even what would we talk about stern right well yeah stern which finishing yeah all right so we got the haggis pinball haggis haggis yeah is it haggis or haggis We never know. I always call it Hoggis. Hoggis Pinball.
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    Out of Australia. I call the guy Sledgehammer. The Sledgehammer Pinball? Sledgehammer guy. Oh, man. Damien. We had a lot of fun with Damien when he was at Expo. Yeah. Oh, my God. Damien is a lovely individual. He got Drew really drunk. I would blame Damien on everything. It was all Damien. Damien, Expo was your fault. Whose name is Damien? That's like the devil. isn't it yeah right that was uh damien uh that was uh the omen yeah that was little yeah little damien just grown up and he has a sledgehammer now yeah and he's making pinball machines typical devil work yes the devil's hands have been busy oh damien yeah yeah two big fans over here though we love that man to death um but yeah he uh he dropped a bomb well a sledgehammer bomb on a play field so he got a way to he found a way to create a play field that doesn't dimple ever seems to be pretty indestructible and by now everyone's probably heard that he dropped a hammer on it and it came unscathed so the it's glorious several people that i've talked to about this you know a lot of them have the same opinions and and time's gonna tell you know a couple people said that like you know williams tried this back in the day they were working on this for years and one of the biggest issues was it just doesn't play the same on this any sort of acrylic or polycarbonate or um yeah like the feel is different yes yes so it's like it rolls differently like it can't yeah yeah so the the thing can be indestructible and it won't scratch and it won't dent and it won't ding and and it's great except the game feels different that wasn't a williams thing williams just didn't want to do it because it was indestructible well there's that too no no you're right but it wasn't the feel thing for williams because they wanted to keep selling more games they wanted the game to wear out it's just a more it's more expense and more expense it's unnecessary especially back then when williams was making games sure you gotta think it was it was a coin op it wasn't for your home do do no absolutely but do we think that it feels different i don't know dude i would say no because it's just that doesn't i'm not you get used to it yeah sure how can i just adapt like we've all walked up to a machine you're like man that thing was lightning fast you just think it's clean or something yeah yeah i would no that's true if it was like really like like a floaty or really weird i'd just be like man that machine must be like brand new because it shot like crazy well i suck so it drained three times Sure. And then be like, oh, okay, well, you know, I want to go back to that slower EM where I can kick the shit out of it for about an hour. I don't know. Well, and here's the other thing. So forget modern games, right? But just think back even to 90s games where you have played multiple versions of the same game. Do any of them play the same? No. Not at all, right? That's my point. That's my counter argument. So, you know, no, I am rooting for Damien and Huggis pinball. Yeah, I just, you know, because. Well, old play fields, what were they? They were wood, right? Yep. Just waxed up wood. Yep. Yeah. They didn't even have clear coat. They just had wood and patience. So when they introduced clear coat, did that affect the game? Probably. Sure. You know? Sure. There was no internet back then. They had clear coats that were, yeah, that's true. Then they went to diamond plate. Did that affect the ball? Sure it did. But now we're, this is just one other thing. Like play field protectors. You know, do you really notice a play field protector when you put it on the game for the first time? probably not you probably notice it when you play a game a lot that doesn't have a playfield sure and then you go back to a game with a playfield protector you're probably going to notice a bit of a difference right the best example i have is i just disagree with this thought of it matters you know there's there's there was another podcast that talked about would you rather have a play field with a clear coat that gets dimples um and craters but it still plays like your traditional pinball machine what you're used to or would you rather have one with an indestructible play field but it plays different for 20 years and yeah see in my idea my eyes you would want the indestructible play field for the sole reason that you don't have to worry about it That's one more thing from your $9,000 toy you don't have to even think about. You won't even have to worry about pooling or chipping or dimples or anything like that. That would be gone. You know it's going to happen. That'd be gone. Now you can worry about fucking putting rubber bands on your mechs to fix them. I need a rubber band on my artichoke vagina, please. But look at that play field. It's fucking pristine. It's like, come on, man. That was, not to keep going back to it, but the Dr. Dude, that was the deciding factor. The thing's play field is beautiful. Yeah. And I was like, well, I can fix everything else. But yeah, but if you don't want to rip it apart and do a whole new play field, sure, that makes sense. Who wants to do that on a Dr. Dude? You know what I mean? The answer is nobody ever. Coming from two guys doing that to a laser war. Hey, Martin, I'm turning a $650 original Firepower into a $3,000 Firepower hot rod.
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    I have this grand scheme of taking the worst pinball machine ever, like a Raven or something like that, and making it the greatest version of a horrible machine ever. No, you can't do that. You know why? Because that's the worst machine ever. You can't make it into a great anything. No, you guys are both wrong. Bad example. It's one of the best examples of an awesome machine. I love Raven. Are you kidding me? That game is so bad. Those plastic helicopters are the best. You've got to put a $100 real war Apache helicopter on there. I put an actual drone that actually lives up and flies around. Oh, there you go. You can piss away all the money in the world and just have the dumbest machine ever. I'll take it to shows. I saw Raven. I'll sit it next to your laser war, man. We'll rock it. Can you imagine that? Hey, we got this pristine laser war and this pristine Raven. They are winners of the show. I saw this Raven for sale. This is the why corner. Why is this a thing? Why are these people here? It's the poor man's corner for sure. But yeah, I saw a Raven for sale, but it had the alternate translate on it. Yeah. I never saw that alternate translate. Yeah, it's just more. Pretty feisty. Well, no, I think the feisty one is the original with the girl. Oh, no, no. This one was like a stripper girl kind of. Oh. there's the girl that's like from Fast and the Furious she's the original and then there's like a girl that's like a playmate and then there's I think like an actual one yeah there's one that was like it was pretty tame and I was just like I don't want that game just because I like the original Translet I just do I like the Rambo girl so I don't know I don't even know where we're going with that what were we talking about the haggis Jesus We were talking about Raven's boobs. All right, so Damien, I think you deserve a round of applause. That's pretty badass, you know, being able to come up with a solution to one problem. Let me ask you this. Okay. So we were talking about customization a little while ago, right? Like that might be a thing, and it probably will be sometime in our life. So what if a manufacturer gave you the option? You can have a regular playfield with the normal clear coat, or you can have this other playfield with this polycarbonate. I'm just making up words because I think that's what it was. Or diamond. Diamond playfield. Whatever. But it's the plastic cover, basically. It's printed underneath or however they do it, reverse printing or sandwiched.
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    But it's $1,000 more or $1,500 more. more now you're a collector you know now so you're a collector who loves to play pinball do you opt for the well yeah this thing's never gonna destruct but it might play differently or you go to the other one because that that's probably what the options would be right because it would cost more yeah if if it was 300 bucks i'd get it if it's 1500 bucks no way i'm a working jerk i can't i love that we're stealing that martin we're all working jerks i love it but you're right no no for us i get it but it would we got to be realistic it'd probably be at least a thousand bucks right upgrade yeah yeah you know if they did that they would say yeah this thing is indestructible it's it's not a clear coat it's actually plastic and it'll never break or bend or dimple or whatever so now your nine thousand dollar le becomes a ten thousand dollar le just like that yeah well if it's dream theme but but it might but it might play different that's the thing that's what i'm thinking martin i was like if it's a dream theme if it's something that i'm going to keep and it's bolted to my floor sure sure absolutely so you're not even a question okay not even a question but you would pay more money for that but if it's something that i know is going to be probably sold within a year or a year or two and it was just the game i wanted to try and okay i got no problem with i got no problem with dimpling for the record no it's when things get worse than dimpling you know what I saying we taught even like me like I hate to say it but a little pooling under a post or something as long as it doesn crack or chip right I don lose the paint Yeah Because you know they have issues Right For sure That just my take on it My monster bash from CGC dimpled like a motherfucker. Sure. They didn't dimple, sure. And because of the darker, you know, the darker paint or the darker colors of the artwork, you know, it showed every single dimple. Am I upset about it? No, I wasn't. I was like, well, you know, it is what it is. It's dimpling. Mm-hmm. but at the end of the day it doesn't affect me that's all I'm saying what were you going to say Martin?
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    Attack from Mars the remake one that's my number one what I want to get in my house and I'm sure it's going to do the same thing I thought number one was Doctor Who but you just I don't know I love that game so much I'll be like whatever it's just part of the battle scars that you put on these things absolutely Attack from Mars 2 is worth it Dude, that's such a great game. That's awesome. That's one of my favorites. Yeah. Well, and here's the other thing that really drives me nuts, because I understand, you know, people want nice things. And you're paying a lot of money. So, like I said, I'm not suggesting that it should be busted up or whatever. But, you know, you're the only one who's going to notice.
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    You know what I mean? Like, hey, check out my dimples. You're what? I don't see anything. She's a clear coat pooling over there? Yeah, exactly. By that post? What? You sound like a bratty child at that point. because it's like, no, you have this great machine. It looks beautiful. It's brand new. But on the other hand, though, you spend so much money. No, no, I get it. That's the problem. Like I said, there's a line, but the line for me is like chipping and that kind of stuff. Like I said, dimpling, it is what it is. It's pinball. That's all. I kind of think that's one of the double-edged swords of when you really get into something. That would mean the world when you're talking with a bunch of pinball guys, but if you're sitting at a party, someone's like, just hit the damn start button. I want to play this freaking game. I don't give a shit about it. That was my point. Yeah, good point there for sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. We're poor men. We got a couple nice games. We're not going to have a lot of, like, pristine new games or restored games, except for my Hot Rod Firepower. Looking forward to that one. All right. We got to hit the turbo button, speaking of Hot Rod, because we're getting up there, guys. We're chatty Cathy's today. That's okay. We're having fun. So let's fast forward a bit and let's just do quick. Everyone heard Spooky was on Comedy Central's Wednesday Morning BS show. Morning Bullshit Show. Did you watch that at all? No, I didn't get a chance to. It's the most millennial show I've ever seen in my life. It's pretty rough. It was all over the place, right? My nose bled a little bit when I was watching it. I'm too old to be. I shouldn't have been watching it. I'm too old to watch it. It's weird. I was watching a Nickelodeon show.
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    I was like, oh, this isn't my age bracket. Isn't it funny? We finally got to that point where it's like, I'm too old for this, this music, this show. I've been there for years, too. Yeah. But it was just all the more painful when you saw Charlie and Bo and Karen show up.
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    The two of the most bad stuff dudes. you're like let's just say the the flow wasn't smooth yeah oh man yeah bowen karen's like i love bowen i love watching bowen i love his streams but yeah for a bunch of millennials they're like who is this old guy like trying pretending like he's awesome look at dad's bringing back yeah like none of those kids even knew pinball was still around you know and i'm sorry man but that's just yeah the young kids just don't get it even the host was laughing she was you know she's a young girl and she was just like yeah i guess pinball's still a thing yeah or no she said what she said she's like uh oh they're they're trying to bring back pinball or something like some small little comment and then charlie's like this is how i feed my family someone in the background was like it's always been around and she goes oh it's always been around huh oh okay you know and i'm just sitting there i'm like i feed my family with this and then yeah there's people out there that are really thinking like, yeah, we're going to expand this to all the youngins. And that was just, it was awkward, but it was funny. It was entertaining to watch. But isn't that really a foreshadowing for all these people that say, like, we want to expand the hobby? Like, that's what they're up against. That's exactly what they're up against. Because that young millennial generation like that, a lot of them, yeah, I don't know this exists. And I understand there's going to be some people getting into it, but it's a tough road for those younger people. any of these podcasts that talked about you know the connectivity the online stuff they're talking about co-op mode and stuff they're talking about shit that was in video games 20 years ago uh-huh you know we're catching up we're almost there we can have multiple player games i'm like i can't wait to walk up to the first machine that's hacked by some jerk i'll be like god damn it no this is yeah on the screen it's just gonna be like fuck you motherfucker yeah I am your ball bitch you know it's like what yeah some 12 year old that's going to be calling you a F this or N that or you know just drop it right that's what it's going to be it's going to be some 12 year old kid that's just like talking shit yeah I'll reach around the back and I'll click it off and I'll walk away yeah I'm washing my hands of this nonsense that is this is fine and walk away done alright so if you guys haven't seen that we'll post the link to that uh that stream but yeah it was it was pretty interesting you guys gotta watch it if you haven't seen it yet um just for like five minutes it's good for five minutes worth a watch machine looks awesome yeah the the game itself um just the way so a lot of people drew drew you said you played it a lot of people said um so far really concerned about the garage shot and really concerned about i know scat denise he said the spinner was jamming that inner loop or was it the orbit here's here's the thing how did you feel about the grad shot uh were you able to hit that here's the thing they're they're they're a lot like the iron maiden loop okay you know it's similar yeah because you have you have the the two loops on on iron maiden well i mean you have to go in different ways but um you know that that inner loop is like the iron maiden inner loop when you're hitting it with the only difference is That thing's like butter, though. That thing's like butter, and you can hit that from the bottom flipper. Okay. Yeah, and that garage shot, you can't hit with the bottom flipper. There's no way to get there. Okay, so you have to hit it with the top. Yeah. So that garage shot. Right flipper? Yeah, so I believe, and that inner loop, I'll have to look at it again. It's hard to do this with your brain. Yeah, it is. It is. But like I said, so on Iron Maiden, you can hit that inner loop with the bottom right flipper.
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    But with, like I said, the garage shot on Rick and Morty, you need to use that right flipper. That's the only way to do it. All right.
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    But did you hit the garage shot? Yeah, I hit it. Let's see. I probably played about five games on it total, and I hit it a couple of times. But, you know, I'm a moderate player. so like getting better folks i'm getting better so i think i think the biggest challenge is going to be for a newbie if you're trying to say okay you got to get in the garage because that's how you start all your modes basically oh yeah so that's that's the that's the issue is that you know but but short of that the integration on this thing is still top notch you know the light show the sounds um you know all those get nine or ten cheese slices all day long whoa that's a lot of cheese bro and and i did hit that loop and i repeated it a few times and it was smooth all right so it's just a matter of dialing it in and you know i i think it it's not gonna and if you're a noob do you really care if you get in the garage yeah i don't know so so the answer is no because i'll let you know when i play this game and and there's so much i was even talking to uh eric Pripke, the coder, and I just said, it seems like, because you can stack everything in there, because they have modes, and then they have the different dimensions that they go to in the show, so like modes are, you know, modes, and they're like adventures, so the modes are the adventures, but then you can also go into different dimensions, and all those can go on at the same time, and then you can start a multiball at the same time, so if you're a noob, and you don't know what's going on, you're going to be hitting stuff, and stuff's going to be happening on the screen, and you're going to be rewarded and it's fine cool yeah so that i really love how they put that pop bumper down there for a little bit of chaos so much fun some people are gonna hate it but i think it's cool well sure you know absolutely and you know about the slam save right so they they put they put a feature in there that if it hits the pop bumper and goes down and and drains like right away within like a fraction of a second and you have the uh the letters are s-l-a-m you have that you get a slam save it'll it'll give you another ball oh nice so you know they thought about that it's not totally unfair so beautiful yeah so it looks cool though yeah oh it's awesome it looks cool it looks like it's fun those though when they were hitting a multi-ball on that stream it was super fun to watch that pop bumper go to work you know what i'm saying that was total chaos It was so cool to watch. And here's my overall just impression. For all the people who might say, like, oh, the shot is tight or this is that and can't hit the garage or whatever they're saying, this game, you know, brings the fun back to pinball. There, I said it. It happened. That's cool. The fun's back in pinball because of Rick and Morty. I'm just worried I'm not going to see one. You won't. with you uh well no you will martin because i bet you title town i'll have one cool um so the why it's no one madison's already says he's putting one on location so there will be one in madison somewhere and they're cool a lot of the people that are buying them i think a lot of them are putting them on location because they they see the value in it yeah because they are going to do very well good yeah yeah we'll we'll get you hooked actually i oh i actually i sent some shirts. I do a screen printing on the side and I sent some old horror show shirts to Charlie. I was like, hey, I'm moving up there. I'll see you then. He was like, oh, cool.
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    I'll let you come down and tour the place. I don't think it's hard to tour the place, but it was kind of like a neat thing. He was like, oh, that was awesome. Thanks.
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    Yeah, no. That place is small, but it is the most I don't know, man. It's pinball nirvana. It is. They're cranking out games. They usually have between 10 and 20 games that they're working on at the time. Like if you had to go to work and you were working at Spooky, you wouldn't care. It's the coolest. Pinball Nirvana, man. Yeah.
    56:16
    That's awesome. All right. And then real quick, Kaneda dropped this on his last episode. He is hearing that American Pinball is not going to bring one game to TPF, but two games to TPF. Could you imagine the, what's the word, the clamoring? If they're like, yeah, here we got Hot Wheels or whatever it is. And they're like, and by the way, we also have this. And they're ready to be sold today. Yeah. Hot Wheels and Robin Hood.
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    You say Big Bang Bar, that would be awesome. What was the other one? Poker Run. Poker Run and Hot Wheels.
    56:53
    Great. Those are two games with cars I didn't want to play. that that could disrupt some stuff though if they really have two games they're ready to go but i don't see it happening i am so even if it's just hot wheels i am so harsh on that theme like personally i just it doesn't make sense to me says the guy the only guy in the world that loves oktoberfest fuck yeah dude that game's awesome i love oktober i waited i waited i love it too remember i sent you i was like man we love that game no i'm joking there's there's people out there that like it i just the the reason it didn't sell well is because there's so many other themes out there is really what happened sure is my guess oh for sure yeah how are you going to compete with these these big titles coming out you need your own big title deadpool beatles elvira octoberfest we've been saying it i mean yeah i don't run a pinball company i'm sure it's very difficult but you need a good theme. You just have to. You need a theme that resonates with a lot of people that have money so they can buy your pinball machine. And you can't get a theme like Hot Wheels where, like, that comes. All right, so we stopped playing with Hot Wheels, most of us, and those that didn't collect Hot Wheels. But what's a Hot Wheels cost, you know, collectible Hot Wheels? It's not $5,000, not $10,000. Nope. So you're really making kind of a stretch. I could see Beatles. There are collectors that spend stupid money on Beatles. Sure, yeah. Beatles memorabilia.
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    So I could see that. I could even see Primus to an extent, but maybe not. And I don't think that sold as great as they thought it was going to. And they only made 100 of them. Right. It doesn't matter. But if you're kind of hoping your whole company pulls out this Hot Wheels thing and everyone's going to go crazy for it, I just... Well, once again, it's not even that people go crazy for it because you just think of what else is coming out. You know, Toy Story, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Guns N' Roses. That's what you're competing with. Right. That's the problem. Hot Wheels might be an okay theme, but if you have your choice... Most people, like us, we can't buy two or three or four new in a box. We can buy like one maybe. Yeah. So we really have to choose what we want. Martin, what do you think about Hot Wheels? My only thought would be maybe they're trying to get them in beside that redemption machine in these kid places.
    59:31
    Oh, no. Maybe because they paid for this. I think you're right. They'll sell for that reason. Yeah. But it's like the worst of both worlds. They paid for a license and it's kind of a mess.
    59:44
    Is that going to be a review on their website? Sorry, Josh Coogler. We're burning all the bridges tonight. Yeah, we already did that. The bridges are gone.
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    Actually, I don't think they know we exist. The money, you make it worth something, you know? No, I think you're right. There's going to be some locations that will buy it. You know, there's some arcades. There's some, you know, yeah, like I said, kids' places, mini golf courses, whatever. They'll have it. It'll be – I'm excited to see what it is. I think it's a neat theme. But once again, it's not one that I'm like, oh, yeah, I'd definitely go buy that because it just wouldn't happen. That's all.
    60:25
    Yeah, let's see. They can make games, though. They can make games. No, and that's the thing. That's why it's so heartbreaking. Yes. They can definitely make games. Maybe it's going to be a monster. This thing might come out and play like a monster. you'd be like oh my god you know and who knows yeah but that's probably not october no october fest is such a fun game i mean what they're doing i just heard this today they're uh
    60:48
    um they're shipping you can buy them from your distributor upgraded coil packs for that upper flipper to hit those steeper ramps on october fest oh cool so that was put a stronger coil on Yeah, you put a stronger coil on in the, yeah, your upper flipper so you can hit that stupid-ass ramp that I. Yeah, I've hit it like twice, I think. God. Yeah, that's a tough ramp. I can't even aim. Like, I have a hard time with my side aiming, if that's even a word or a pinball thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, because it is a straight, you know, east to west shot. It's a tough shot. And then to hit it, like, dead on is a big thing for me. I'm like, I hit it dead on. And watch that thing barely go halfway up the ramp. Yep. No, you're right. That just shoots the horse. It's kind of like the Simpsons treehouse shot, except it's, like, twice as high and long. And that Simpsons shot is one of the most difficult shots in pinball. Yeah, it's just in your face. Yeah. You suck. No, totally. I can see that. But anyone at American Pinball, we would love to have you on. We'd love to talk about it because we'll talk about Oktoberfest because we love it. It is. It's a cool game. But once again, it's the theme that's holding it back because from the time they released Oktoberfest until now, there have been so many great themes. That's all. I think what you mean is are you listening, American Pinball? American Pinball, are you listening? All right, moving on. And now it's time for a history lesson brought to you by Poor Man's Pinball Podcast.
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    If you're not careful, you may learn something before it's done. All right, Drew, this is your baby, baby. Pinball history lesson. So Ian challenged me. What was the other one that you gave me the option of? I forgot. Black Belt. Okay, so Ian said, I'm going to give you two options this week. You can choose. And it was a no-brainer. That's why I didn't even remember the other one. He just sends me this email or text that says, okay, pinball history lesson is you this week. He goes, do you want to do hard body or black belt? We all know the answer to that. Hard body. It's got to be hard body. Of course it is. Like, I'd be interested to do black belt because I know how much Ian loves it. But hard body is awesome. And one just came up for sale locally. Yeah, I know. $1,500. Let's buy it, Ian. That's another one. Let's just get it. All right. I'll call the guy. Call him up. It's not that far. It's like an hour away. All right, so we got Hardbody. It's a Bally 1987. It was a solid state. It is a solid state, I should say, with the alpha numeric display.
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    2,000 were produced. It's got four flippers, two ramps. It's awesome. No pops, which is pretty rare for that time. You don't need it for Hardbody. No, no, no, because they're Hardbodies. I don't know what pops have to do with hard bodies, but there's no pops. They miss a great pun, though, you know, getting a good pop. Oh, there you go. Love it. Yeah, every time you hit the bumpers, it, like, pops it up. Pop it up. So four flippers, two ramps, no pops.
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    This thing is ranked 373 on the Pinside Top 100. It is literally right above, like, Thunderbirds. I'm not kidding. The last two, what is it? I think the bottom three are like Thunderbirds, Hercules, and Bugs Bunny birthday bash. Which was, you know, whatever. And then this is like a couple up from that. Yeah. It's like way down there. But this, unlike those other three I just mentioned, is truly underrated. Like, it should be higher. Why do you say that? Well, people like it. I mean, it's fine. So let me just get through all the marketing part of it, I guess, if you would. It's about $1,200 to $1,500. Yeah, there's one for sale now. They're asking $1,500. We know people, they bought them for $1,300, $1,400. That's kind of the going rate.
    65:05
    Ward Pemberton, he's the designer and the programmer. Now, he has a serious pinball resume. He designed Fathom. Oh? Yeah. That's his biggest claim to fame. So he did Fathom. He did BMX, which is, you know, it's an okay game. D&D is what it is, Dungeons and Dragons, for you guys who don't know. Mousing Around is one of those. I love that game. Yep, that's a fun game. I've toyed with buying it. It's another underrated kind of classic value game. Riverboat Gambler, which is an EM.
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    Gilligan's Island, which was the first DMD game, for you who don't know. And Goldeneye for Sega. Oh, okay. So, you know, he's got a pretty big list, and he's got Hardbody on there.
    65:53
    Why Hardbody? Do you have that info? Yeah, I do. Okay, perfect. So the legendary artist Greg Ferris did the art. God, Greg Ferris did everything. Yeah, so here's this guy. We should not even mention the artist anymore because it was Greg Ferris. Yeah, here's the guy. You know, he does all these great Avira games, and he's like, yeah, I'm going to stop that. I'm going to do a Hardbody.
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    I just don't know how that works. I guess Elvira, you know, it's just boobs and whatever. Hey, you did such a good job on the boobs. We got some pectoral muscles for you. Yeah, you can do these other muscles. Well, the thing is, so the back glass, for you guys who don't know, is like Photoshopped. It's like actual photographs. Yeah. But then the play field is all hand-drawn Greg Ferris art. And right in the middle is a headless Arnold Schwarzenegger type. He's just flexing with a metal on him that's actually an insert.
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    But he's got no head. which I thought was kind of weird. That is weird. Yeah, he's just this headless monster, you know, flexing. They were like, we lost the license to Schwarzenegger. Imagine the pro-head. Just rip the head off. That was the cost-saving measure. Gary Stern comes in and goes, off with the head. Yeah, rip the head off. We don't have that. What do you think, I'm made out of money?
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    Take out the bumpers and lose that guy's head. I don't have money falling out of my ass. I picture Gary Stern walking around with, like, the Ebenezer Scrooge glasses and, like, a cigar and, like, yeah. I see you did three pop bumpers. What do you think? I'm made out of money? No more pop bumpers. Zero pop bumpers. What is that? Arnold? Looks like Arnold. Get him out of here. Please, sir. May I add one more pop bumper?
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    You get no pop bumpers. Timmy, shut your mouth. Yeah. Greg Ferris learn how to draw heads It off Here what it is So the back glass this is actually the learning part of it which I thought was pretty interesting The prominent woman kind of on the right center she's the biggest one on there, she was the first Miss Olympia, Rachel McLish.
    67:57
    So, you know, and then there's some other women on the back glass. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure they're like Miss Olympia contestants. Yeah. I think they're all like legit. Yeah, they were. They're all muscular women. And like I said, she was the first winner of the Miss Olympia contest. So this layout, he kind of mimicked his BMX one. Okay.
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    Playfield art, you know, men, women, centerpiece. I just put Arnold Schwarzenegger type. We talked about that.
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    You know, so everyone who I reached out to and talked to about this, they say it's underrated. Okay. Like I said, they have fun playing it. did you talk to josh mudd no i didn't and i didn't have time but yeah that would have been a good one because he's had it for a while right he talked to me about it yeah i was telling him i was thinking about getting it and he said uh what did he say he said well he quoted chris ranchi and chris ranchi was like it's about as deep as a swimming pool or something or a kitty kitty swimming pool but you know what he said yeah well it's it's more of a conversational piece really it is It's a very cheesy 80s. I'm starting to come around to that more. I would almost like a lineup of Black Belt, Hard Body. Laser War. Laser War is actually too good for that list, but you know what I'm saying. Maybe. When I get done with it, it's going to be the most amazing Laser War. So go on. Both sides have an outlaying flex save, they call it. Nice. It's a Magna Save, basically. But they call it the Flex Save. Oh, that's so cool. Macho would love it Oh yeah I want Macho to come on And just talk about the flex save That's Macho awesome They keep talking about Who is Macho He already told you He's the Alpha and Omega Problem solved He already told you who he was So this wasn't the first time He used the flex save either He did it on Dungeons and Dragons as well Was it called flex save there? No I'm sure it wasn't sure it's called like dragon say or something but uh yeah you know it's it's cheesy 80s goodness um you know it's it's probably like you said if you have a lineup it's one of the best value pins you're gonna get so so did you find out why they decided to go bodybuilder oh just as a theme yeah no oh no i'd love to heard that yeah that that would be good to kind know but fly on the wall yeah all right listen everyone gather around just hitting man because the 80s yeah you got to think i mean that stuff was big when pumping iron must have came out just right around that time sure well that was 79 he came out with pumping iron okay and he started doing the mr olympias yeah and that it just went nuts in the 80s you know like that was the kind of like that aerobics were big and all that kind of yeah that's true that's true like yeah because in this game you're like going to different stations and like doing your workout yeah and much like laser war kind of those women you think are having an orgasm yeah this has like repeated versions of that which is women like moaning yeah it's it's just you know we should buy it it's the i i told you ian texted me and said hey you know go make a deal with this guy and go get it and i'll pay you back i was like sure and he's like oh i don't know i can get it man let's do it that's a hard body yeah it's right up the street so i think i think i might be onto why it uh might have failed i don't know many pinball players who are really into going to the next station to work out i don't know hey i'm just bouncing ideas around who knows shit i'm i'm down here working out and drinking every day yeah drew's getting it yeah no martin you are so right need to hit the gym oh shit and here here we go but this was the best thing for my quote i'm gonna use air quotes research you did good man the best review on this and this is from pin site strangely erotic and that was the entire review there's nothing else in that review that's awesome yeah how can you not get it now after that review no i i don't know yeah so that made me laugh because two out of my three machines the art was done by greg freres and the concept was by dennis nordman yeah oh my god i was like those guys those guys are like kings i mean seriously and and now it's what 30 years later and what do they do they come out with Elvira. They're like fucking rock stars. I bet you can't even walk outside their house without nobody noticing them because they're pinball designers. So if I sold my Austin Powers and bought the Elvira, we're talking three for three Nordman Freres.
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    That's crazy. I might have a problem. Is that Austin Powers was them too? No, no. It was O'Neilly and Dr. Dude. Oh, O'Neilly. Yeah, that's right. And Dr. Dude. Yeah. The Nordman trilogy, as we said. Yeah.
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    Yeah. You know what? And Nordman, though, he flies under the radar. You know what I mean? Because everyone talks about Richie and Lawler, and Nordman's just usually not in those conversations, and that's a shame. Nordman likes all the – every time I post something about what I've fixed on the Dr. Dude play field, he likes it. He saw like I put the new – I went back to the authentic white flippers. Yep. And I did the plastics. I flattened them with this iron and put them back on. He liked every time I'd do something with it. He's following you. Like, what are you doing to the dude? Yeah, he does. It was so cool. That is so cool. Drew, what do you think of 1350 I should offer the hard body? I'm typing an email out right now. Yeah, that's nice. We're interested in the hard body. What would you do? 1350. Making offers as we are podcasting. Yeah, should I do 1350 on it? Do it, man. I'll write down the poor man's pinball Spandex Poor man's pinball podcast Is what I'll say Podcast Poor man's pinball podcast I'm sure he's a big fan Alright we'll send it out Sir if you're listening today we are Offering you $13.50 for your hard body It looks like he really went to town On it though it's really nice Oh really I didn't look that closely Yeah Real quick not to steal anyone's Hey we're talking about hard body What do you want to do? So up for sales, 1987, Bally, hard body pinball machine. You stole my thunder. I just said that. $1,500 or best offer. Pinball was recently shopped and in great working condition. The play field was completely stripped. They took like three plastics off and then cleared or cleaned and waxed. All metal play field nuts, bolts, posts were tumble polished. new playfield rubbers locks installed and uh cashing only at time of you know just just that work alone i mean that's you know that's something i mean that's it looks like the leds are actually pretty well done we're gonna have to get the the hot pink powder coat that josh mudd has but yeah martin i did my first uh tumbling of metal the other day oh how'd it go good good uh i used some corncob media and it went really well he doesn't have how long do you do that for uh i did mine for about 24 hours oh so i just i just said it's cool because my garage isn't attached to my house so i just oh so you could leave it around yeah yeah so i just set it up and then like you know i went to work the next day i just kind of checked on them everything was fine then i just um and all i did was put a few dollops of this like metal polisher in there yeah and then uh yeah just let it run you can and you can use that corncob media for like they said months and months as long as the stuff's like reasonably clean because i put it in a and i also got an ultrasonic cleaner so yeah i'm learning i'm kind of learning this stuff and it's kind of cool so all right so anyway well that's got sense so hard body all right we're in it man we're gonna get a hard body 1350 i think that's solid who needs a white water you can have a hard body and a laser war i could sell this thing in a second and get a bunch of these hard bodies yeah you could have 10 hard bodies for that dude the topper just put a dumbbell on top you're right that's just like perfect and a pair of those slotted sunglasses from the 80s just have that like on the side of the dumbbell oh my god that's yep topper done jesus all right so is that it for our body yeah that's it man that's perfect it's a great game well drew you did a great job by the way man how did it feel doing your first history lesson I dug it, man. All right. I dug it.
    76:44
    How did it work out? I convinced you to buy one. Oh, yeah. That's how I did the history lesson. So good. It cost you $13.50, bud. All right. Well, well.
    77:04
    Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? poor man's pinball tribe thank you sir may i have another poor man's pinball tribe all right drew uh it's that time again man time for the tribe let's induct two more tribe members uh folks for you of the for you that are interested in joining the tribe it's very simple we have the five pillars of excellence right drew that's five one two three four five Five pillars of excellence. What's number one? Number one, like us on Facebook. Super simple. Number two is communicate with us via email. Just participate. That's all we need you. We have homework assignments. We could always use drink recipes. Send us a line anytime.
    77:52
    Number three is help us promote our show, whichever way you can, whether it's sharing our link on Facebook, Pinside, whatever. Just saying something nice about us on Pinside really helps. It does, guys, because inside is the place to go. Yeah, because not everybody's heard of us. And then pillars number four and five, top secret. Sorry, you'll never know. Be like Glenn Wechter. Take off your shirt and say, hey, listen to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Yes, be like Glenn. I say that every day.
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    I got a tattoo across my chest. That was number four for me. Martin being a tribe member He had gone through all five stages Of the vetting process And being the second member We were even more difficult for him So we made him do all our intros and outros One of them may or may not be getting a brand Of the poor man's pinball on your ass We don't know yet That was actually me getting flogged In that intro I made That was me going ow Can I have another ow That was us branding Martin Poor man's pinball Shut up, Martin, and enjoy it.
    79:01
    Totally worth it. I would do it again in a heartbeat. All right. That's awesome. So let's go. Drew, do you want to do number one, the first? Number 13. Well, that is number 13, right. Should we go through all the lists? Let's go through the list real quick. Okay. All right. So our poor man tribe so far.
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    Number one, Ryan Kuiper. Number two, Mr. Listener 15, Martin. Number three, Brad Hopkins. Number four, I am Ian Howard. That's my name. I screwed that up. That's the best ever. Ian Hauer is going to be mad at me.
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    All right. Number five, Eric Walker. Number six, Michael Williams. Number seven, Glenn Wechter. Number eight, Sean Fraden. Number nine, Dave Brennan. Number ten, Josh Mudd. Number eleven, Daniel Donald. Number twelve, Tim Lee, the man himself. Number thirteen. Here we go.
    79:48
    Number thirteen. Who's number thirteen, Drew? Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas, who runs the blog, The Pinball Plunge. Him and I have been going back and forth for quite a while now. He's offered to help me with my blog.
    80:05
    I'm still debating what I want to do with all those great pictures and restoring stuff. But, yeah, we just like communicating with him. And, Brian, you are part of the tribe, buddy. Welcome, Brian Thomas. So we will be sending you a message on Facebook, but send us your email. I have it. Oh, you have it. Oh, perfect. That's how we usually communicate. Perfect. So we will make sure we put our donation in for Project Pinball. For every tribe member. Yes. Drew and I donate $10 to the Project Pinball. So should we go to number 14? Number 14. Here we go.
    80:45
    Number 14, Mr. Peter Quint. Peter, Peter, Peter. Now, this guy, one, he's a madman, which I love. he has been messaging us on facebook regarding uh pickle rick rick and morty stuff tattoos it's terrible stuff he knows what i'm talking about we don't need to get into is that is that pickle rick is that on our page no we should probably share it let's share we got to share the pickle rick we'll uh we'll post the pickle rick picture he even showed uh he even sent a A clip on a preview of some Rick and Morty porn. So that happened. Thanks, Pete. Oh, no. Yeah, that's a real thing. He goes, so this is a thing and just sent it to us. I was like, thank you. I didn't need to know that.
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    Pete also gave us some dad jokes, which was nice. And then for the pillar number three, he has a Facebook group page that he shared our link. Welcome to the tribe, brother. 14. Remember, all you guys out there. You can email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com, like us on Facebook, and, you know, like I said, promote us because we want more people to listen to our shenanigans. Absolutely. Share the love. And you can become a tribe member of our super secret tribe, which now only has 16 people at this current moment. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's actually the perfect number. And tell them about our awesome, we have a group for the tribe on Facebook. It's Gold Key Members Only. Yes. You have your own Facebook on the Pinball Tribe. It's glorious. Isn't it, though? Yeah. That's where we share all the secrets that you have to know about everything. Pillars 4 and 5 might be on there. You never know until you become a member. You don't know until you know. it's a secret group guys there's even a secret sixth one you're supposed to be positive on pin side but no one's ever done that never happened that's how you become king of the tribe members I love it just being positive baby but no welcome guys we're glad to have you part of us part of our shenanigans you are part All right. So I think that's how we're going to end the show. Perfect. Let's do that because we are getting way long in the tooth. We had just too much fun talking and shooting the shit with Martin over here. No, this was a good episode. No, this is what we love. This is why we do it. It's awesome. Did you have a good time today, Martin? Oh, I loved it. And plus, I have a whole bunch of stories for later, next time maybe. I love it. I interviewed Dirty Donnie. I toured the Suncoast pinball and interviewed that guy before they shut down.
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    Why didn't you lead with this? I have to tease it for next time. I love it. He's done his own podcast. He knows how this works. I love it. He's the long con. Oh, that's awesome. The long con. I don't think you're telling the truth there, Martin. I think you're going to have to quickly find those Suncoast guys and interview them. I haven't. I actually put it on my show, my Radio St. Pete show, because it's a local thing. They were right down the street from me. Oh, that's awesome. Hey, you want to plug your show real quick? Go ahead. Oh, sure. I have a B-movie review show called Slow Robot-A-Go-Go.
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    I've watched about 2,000 of the worst movies known to mankind and reviewed them. And I have a weekly show on RadioStPete.com that's The Indie Circuit, which is all kind of crazy music. and then another hour show called Saki Bamagogo, where I do all kinds of Japanese punk and hardcore and craziness. If you guys haven't noticed, Martin has a much better voice for this than we do. Yes, yes. I like to think I have a face for television, but I don't. I also have a funny Steve Ritchie story. Oh, man. We're going to have you back on. We just need to have you on and have the Martin show. We'll just have the full hour. I love it. Martin stories. The stories with Martin. Maybe that almost screams like a segment. We should probably just do a segment once a... Martin stories? Martin stories. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. I'll have to lead with the Richie story because it's pretty fabulous. Most stories that have Steve Richie in it are pretty good. Yes. I've heard several and I'm always entertained. Did you guys learn recently he lost his finger years ago? That was kind of neat. His finger? Yes. He lost part of his finger in a motocross accident. It was in his glove. He knew he was injured, but he didn't look at it. Then he pulled it off and realized that he lost the tip of his finger. He put it back on. He had to ride a couple miles on a motocross. It was crazy. Listen to it. It was on one of the podcasts. I'll get it. Didn't he say that was the motorcycle that was on that?
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    There's a motorcycle pinball machine that has that vertical back glass. Oh, Banzai Run. Didn't he say that's the same motorcycle that's on Bonsai Run was the one that he lost? Probably. Because that's what he's into. He's into all that crazy, like, adrenaline sports and stuff. But, yeah, he lost his finger and he had to ride a bunch of miles. And he said before he went to the hospital they got, like, pizza or something. He's just crazy. He's crazy and awesome. Yeah. Did you guys see that? I want to say it was at TNT. They found, like, an old recording from, like, oh, shit. some pinball show and they were Williams was unveiling No Fear and Steve Ritchie to announce it, to announce this game, he drove a motorcycle in this Oh, I did hear that. Yeah, he drove the motorcycle in the conference room or whatever. I was just like, what the shit? Because they'd never seen anything like that before. Goddamn madman. Yeah, he's a pinball guy. He's just like, yeah, I'm coming in on a motorcycle like Evel Knievel. I think there was a lot of cocaine back in the early pinball years. I don't know. I would have to suspect that a few of those guys, not saying Steve Ritchie was doing coke, but in the 80s. Yeah, you're right. I just want to be the guy that says, I wish more of these guys were on cocaine today. Oh, no shit. Yeah, get some more cocaine. We should send a bunch of cocaine to Stern. Just see what next year games come out. They release 48 games.
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    All of them bottom of the top 100 at pin size. Yes. They'll be number 374 right after hard body. One game will have three flippers. That's it. One will have just four pop bumpers. One will just have one pop bumper in the middle. A demigorgon full of fucking rubber bands. One will be that guy's idea of just having blank pinball machines. Remember that? One will just be the blank pinball machines for current competitions, and they'll be like, well, that's... Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is game number one. This is game number two. Yeah. And we got five of these games. One, two, three, four, and five. Perfect. What's the theme? Numbers. Stern walks in, he's like, yeah, perfect, man. Get him on the line. Yeah, Gary Stern would pump those things on the line. This theme is white. You know, it's just white. White wood or whatever, and yeah. I like your style. Yeah. The game will be called White Wood. This looks like $15,000 machine. Perfect. Send him. I love it. Slap Supreme's logo on it. You're done. They put a red stripe on it. Supreme. $10,000. Done. $50,000. Oh, man. Perfect. Martin, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks, Martin. Thanks, man. I had a great time. I hope you guys dug it. No, we did, man. This is always fun. We're digging having guests on, especially tribe members. This is cool. We're going to keep bringing tribe members on. I think Ian Howard is on the short list. We've got to get his ass on here.
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    Just so he can go on here for an hour and just tell us how dumb we are. Yeah. We're getting a little bit uppity. That dude is like an encyclopedia of pinball. I'm pretty sure he eats, sleeps, and breathes pinball. All right. Well, thank you, everybody, for listening. Email us at thepoormanspinball or poormans at gmail.com. poormanspinball at gmail.com. Like us on Facebook, the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Buy our shit. We need to sell some shirts. So that's the Poor Man's Pinball.
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    We're a promoter page on Silver Ball Swag. So silverballswag.com. Find us there. And we got all sorts of fun shirts.
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    Guys, some of it is Chris Franchi art. Yeah, I got a few other things in the oven. So stay tuned. We'll have some more shirts coming soon.
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    But that's all I had for today. I hope you guys enjoyed the show. Martin, cue that music. Thanks everyone. Bye guys, thank you.
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    Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 44. The only pinball podcast that... I don't know. I totally blanked there for a second. Let's start that again.