We all live in a yellow submarine, yellow submarine, yellow submarine. Sit-a, sit-a, sit-a, sit-a, sit-a, sit-a, sit-a. Welcome everybody to Canada's Pinball Podcast. I hope everybody had a great long weekend. I hope you got a long weekend. If you got young kids like me, you're surviving the long weekends. So what's going on in the world of pinball? So let's just go around the pinball horn, talk about what's happening right now. And then I want to do something fun. I want to see what's for sale right now. But here's what I'm going to do at this time. I'm going to go on Pinside and I'm going to just click for sale and see what the most recent games that have been listed are, how much people want for them. And I'll cherry pick the ones that are interesting. We don't want to go into like solid state and EM games for sale. Let's talk about the new stuff, what people are asking for them. How does that sound? All right, so where are we right now in the world of pinball? Well, Stern Pinball has Dungeons & Dragons. The LEs are on the line. We're going to see people get these games very, very soon. Doesn't it feel like always, it always feels this way. Like after two weeks of a new game being revealed, it feels like it's been out forever, right? It feels like the hype and the enthusiasm around Dungeons & Dragons has already faded just a little bit. You know, one of the reasons why is they're not doing like constant streams of the game. And I think we're going to see more D&D hype when the LEs start to make their way to customers. I still think if you bought an LE, you're losing $3,000 to $4,000. But that's just me. I don't understand why you would buy a D&D LE. I don't think the LE package is that nice, but that is going to make its way out into the world. And then when that happens, Kaneda is going to go to Automated Amusements, and I'm going to play the game because Mike likes to unbox the games and put them on the showroom floor. So I look forward to giving you my first gameplay impressions of D&D in the next few weeks when that happens. And after Dungeons & Dragons, all eyes are on Keith Elwin's King Kong. What will Spike 3 be? is this gonna be the game that has the wow mech in it that he said he saw? Isn't it funny though, if it's in his own game, isn't that a little bit ridiculous that he's like, I saw a mech the other day that I can't believe Stern Pinball is making, and it's like, dude, it's your mech in your game, because he confirmed that it's not the dragon from D&D that made him so shocked and surprised, So maybe it's the gorilla from King Kong. So that's going to happen. But we've got like three months to go before we see King Kong. We're going to get more rumors about what's in the game. It's always hard to keep all this stuff under wraps. I'm going to give you a little bit about something that's going to be in the Harry Potter game in just a few minutes. But all eyes will be on King Kong Spike 3 sometime in April, May. Will there be a price increase? Oh, we're all sort of hoping it won't happen, but I think we all know deep down inside it's going to happen. So that's Stern Pinball. Spooky Pinball Evil Deads are making their way onto the line. I think they're going to be going out the door any day now. It looks like they're in final playtesting mode for the first round of games that are being built. That is really great news. The game is still not sold out. Not surprised by that. we talk about being at the end of the spooky line doesn't really make much sense. And now that we kind of know that Beetlejuice is next, a lot of people are probably just going to wait and see what happens. Now, we're not going to get the next spooky game until December, which is basically a year from now. So this is how Spooky does it. They release a title and they make that one title for an entire year. They're still making Scooby-Doos, right? I think the line still is making Scooby-Doo. I still see them making some Texas Chainsaw Massacres. I don't know if Looney Tunes is done. Have they sold out of TCM and Looney Tunes? I don't know. But I think this is the new spooky. Around 1,000 games a year, a little bit less than 1,000. They'll make that game for like 10 months. And then they reveal the new game in December. And then the game is making its way to customers sometime in January, February. I think it's a business model that really works well for them. And I can't wait till they make a theme that I really want. All right. So let's go on to Multimorphic P3. You know, the platform over there that Jerry's been working on for like 15 years. I just want to know, like, where are the Princess Bride LE editions or the Collector's Edition games? Has anybody unboxed the version that has the swords on the cabinet? I just want to see the final version of the game make its way to customers. We're almost at the point now where it's been a year since that game was revealed to the world. Remember, that game was revealed to the world in February. So I hope that Jerry gets these games out. I know it's a very slow, meticulous wait to get your multi-morphic new game or kit. But here's the thing. Jerry's never left anybody. he's never ripped anybody off he's always made sure people got their games and their products and for some companies right it's just sort of at the point now where that's how long you wait if you look at chicago gaming company they're getting these pulp fiction le's to customers i'm seeing them unboxed more and more uh but you know that's it with cgc as well like you know you might be waiting two years after you order your game to get your game. If they unveil Medieval Madness remake again, I don't think it's going to take two years. I think that game's going to go right on the line after they're done making these Pulp Fictions. I'm still not sure why there was such a long delay with the Pulp Fiction LE builds, but it is what it is. Next on the line is Medieval madness, then we will probably see, I don't know, Twilight Zone or Mark Ritchie's Halo. All right, who else has got stuff going on in the world of pinball? Are we going to see Cuphead sometime this year? We know that they're going to make the game. It seems like they are contractually obligated to get Cuphead out. I'm not sure when they're going to launch the game. It's definitely sad that Ryan McQuaid worked on this game and now he's no longer getting a paycheck at American pinball because now he has to wake up and go find a job, right? I mean, this was his dream job. I don't know how I would ever wake up after losing my dream job and having to answer wanted ads for another career. That would suck. That would really suck. So we'll see what the future holds for American pinball. It seems like Mukesh is done developing original games and they want to become a contract manufacturer. And there's really not going to be a great time to release Cuphead, but if I had a guess, I think the earliest we'll see this game is maybe sometime in the summer. All right, let's go to Dutch Pinball. So they are printing the cabinet decals for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. We're seeing the process of that. I do wish they were printing on thicker sort of Radcow-like material, but you know Jersey Jack, I think, has a patent on those Radcows. That why you don see them everywhere else But the cabinets still do look very nice I saw Alice at Expo and it looks really good And so we a little bit behind schedule The last I heard from Melvin, these games are going to be going out to customers starting in mid-February. Now, remember, these games are coming from the Netherlands. So it's not like your buddy down the block in America is going to get this game anytime soon. So I don't think we're going to see the first US unboxings of this game until sometime in maybe March, maybe April. I don't know how long it takes. Usually it's like a six-week time period. And, you know, we haven't seen any streams of this game since like a few months ago. So I know Melvin's been working on the code, but what code? I would like more updates on this game. I think a little bit of it is that they sold out, so they don't need to do anything else to sell any more games. But we all know the reality, right? It's like, is it sold out? I bet some distros are holding some back. And, you know, look, nobody's paid in full yet for Alice. So as the games actually make their way into the world, you know, once something becomes available, and once more people play it and once we know if it's really good or if it's just a sexy looking work of art but the gameplay is not great more will be revealed about this game as we go into the next few months look we know i know you know i know we all know that there's gonna be an availability of this game for people if you really want it and you're not gonna have to pay over sticker to get it. But Dutch Pinball is also winding down the big Lebowski. You know, as we get to the final Lebowski, I know that's got to be a little bit of a bittersweet moment for the folks over at Dutch, but that is good news that this company is going to finally, after 12 years, move on to game number two. All right, so what else we got going on in the world of pinball? Barrels of Fun, man. This is the company that's just like hiding out. Now look, I spoke to one of my best sources. And as I've been saying, it's going to be Dune. And it's not the original Dune. I heard it's the new Dune movie franchise. Now, look, if it is Dune, I just want to say this. I don't think the new Dune movies cross over significantly with the pinball buying demographic. I don't think you are like a big fan of Timothy Chamolet or whatever, Chamalamadingdong. I don't think you really care about Zendaya. I have to be honest. I saw the new Dune movies. They were kind of like Avatar. They're like a spectacle, but they're not memorable. Like they're not like amazing. Like I didn't leave Dune with any desire to see it again, especially on a smaller TV in my living room, especially if someone wants me to spend $10,000 to capture those movies in pinball format. I don't think those two movies are going to go down as classics. I don't think 10 years from now movies like that are going to have a fan club and a community following those movies. I mean look, HBO has a new Dune series and it's not doing well at all. Like we really don't care to go into the expanded universe of this Dune world. And if they were smart, and maybe it is this one, and if I had a hope for one, I would rather have the David Lynch movie of Dune than these new movies. But even that one is not the greatest movie. If Barrels of Fun makes Dune as game number two, in my book, they'd be batting 0 for 2. I think they really need to do some market research, and they're not doing it, right? They're really not doing it. I talked to David David Van Es. There's no market research going on. And by that, there's no move by the company asking people, what do you want? And if you don't do that, how are you going to land the plane in the right spot? You're really just making games you think are going to work. And I don't know. I think sometimes what happens in pinball is there's a little bit of ego. There's obviously a little bit of personal taste. There's a little bit of if we build it, they will come. But in this competitive pinball space, I think you need to do more market research. All right, so that's that. So let's go to Jersey Jack pinball. Two things happening with Jersey Jack. Avatar CEs are on the line. They are going out the door any day now. And they also updated the code to be pretty much final. It's 1.0, which is usually the final version of Jersey Jack code. I just want someone to tell me this. In the latest code update, have they synced up the clips with the voices of the actors in all of those sequences from the movie? I can't even go anywhere to see any gameplay of Avatar 1.0 code. They're not even streaming it as a company. I don't understand what's happened. Like, why is Mark Seiden turned off all presence with this game? Mark, this is your game. You've finished the code. Why are you not doing any streams to get people excited about the game? And I'm just saying this as a content creator. I would love to go somewhere and have an official resource or asset from Jersey Jack Pinball where they just walk you through the final version of the code. Now, the feedback I'm hearing from most people is that the multi balls in the game, people are happy that there's not too many of them, but they're not satisfied because all of the multi balls are kind of the same. And what people mean by that really is this. They're not exciting. Like they happen and they all feel sort of similar and they don't really feel like an achievement. Like you've made it to a moment in the game. That's a moment of wow. That's what a multiball moments should be in a pinball machine. And then unraveling how to play the game is also very confusing for people, but people enjoy the way the game shoots. It is arguably the second best shooting game out of all the Jersey Jack games. I would agree with that. It's like Elton John and then Avatar. And then I would say Willy Wonka and Dialed In. Those are the best shooting Jersey Jack games all right so speaking of best shooting jersey jack games people have moved on from avatar everyone is wondering about harry potter what is harry potter gonna be like and it's coming out soon now i have another exclusive bit of information on harry potter for you there's gonna be a feature from the movie that is gonna be in the pinball machine do you know the scene in Harry Potter when they're going through Hogwarts in the big hallway and they're going up the marble staircase. And remember when the stairs move as they're walking up the staircase. I am here to tell you that that is most likely going to be a feature in the Jersey Jack pinball version of Harry Potter. Now think about that for a minute. This feels really cool because that means it's going to be a ramp that goes up and it's going to look like a Harry Potter staircase and it's going to move left and right. And as it moves, it's going to send the ball into a different play area. Now, all of a sudden, doesn't that sound really awesome? When's the last time you saw a ramp move like that I feel like it got to be a ramp right If it a staircase it got to go up to something Then that makes me somewhat excited because then it maybe is going up to an upper play field of some sort So look I know that Eric is super excited for everybody to see this game I'm super excited to see it. And this is going to be the one. I know we say this about every Jersey Jack machine, but this is the one that I think is either going to establish Jersey Jack as a company that can nail a dream theme for a lot of people, this game is going to sell out so quickly, it's not even funny. I don't even want to have a silly debate about whether or not the CEs are going to sell out instantly. Yes, they are. Even if they make $1,000, they're all going to be spoken for. And the other reason why they're all going to go instantly, everybody, is that nobody wants to buy Jersey Jack Ellie's anymore for $12,000 because if you have 12, you have 15. I bet Avatar CE has outsold Avatar Ellie because again, if you're going to spend this much, just go a little bit further and get a much nicer game with a much nicer topper. So we shall see Harry Potter in just a little over a month, everybody. All right, let's see what's for sale on Pinside right now. I just want to give you whether or not I think this is like a good price or a crack pipe price. All right, Elvira House of Horrors Premium Edition, $10,000. Why? Why would anybody buy a premium of Elvira for $10,000? That's more than the premium cost. Like, guys, they've made so many Elviras and so many LEs, that's a stupid price. A Tales of the Arabian Knights in Europe for 9,700 euros. Well, you know, they're about to remake this game, so I wouldn't go anywhere near that. That's about $11,000 in US dollars for a totem. I don't know. I remember when I got my totem for like seven grand and they were easy to get for seven grand. The Addams Family, $9,800 or best offer for the Addams Family. I don't know. It depends what condition it's in. Addams Family is the most produced game of all time. They made 22,000 units. Let's see what else we got here. Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast Premium for $7,700. Now look, that's not too bad, right? I mean, I think that's what the premium cost back when they first made Iron Maiden Premium. Now that premiums though are $9,500, it sort of stabilized the older premiums a lot more. because you can't go get a Stern Premium ever again for the rest of our lives for the $7,700 range. Now they're all going to be like $9,500 from the factory. So that's not a terrible price if you really want an Iron Maiden. It's a great game. The premium is a great game. And look, you can save yourself a lot of money by buying an older version of a great game. All right, here we go. This is where it gets a little interesting. Alien Pinball from Highway, The Highway Pinball Edition of Alien, limited edition number 130. Now, these games were trading for a lot of money at one point when Highway went under and nobody thought they'd ever be made again. They're asking $11,000 or best offer. I don't think it's worth it. I wouldn't go anywhere near the Highway version of this game ever. And the reason is simply this. You can't get the Ripley version of the game if you have the Highway Pinball version of the game. And adding Ripley to the game changes everything. It's what we always wanted in the machine itself. And so that is why I wouldn't go anywhere near it. And also the Highway Pinball version is very problematic. And if something goes wrong, how are you going to get replacement parts for that version of the game? I think this game is basically an $11,000 paperweight and I wouldn't go near it. All right, the Uncanny X-Men Pro, right, just came out. $6,000 or best offer. Guess what? I'm going to give you my best offer and it's not going to be $6,000. The X-Men, the Uncanny X-Men, this game in every trim has lost significant value, but it just goes to show, right, the Ellie of this game has lost at least $3,000. in value. You can get an LE easily for 10 grand. The pro machines are holding the best value. The pro brand new was what, like 6,500 bucks. And so this guy just wants 500 off that for a used game. And I think he takes 5,500 on the table, but it just goes to show you, you buy a pro machine, you basically get the entire game minus a few mechs here and there, and you lose a thousand at most. You buy an Ellie machine, you lose $3,000 and it's still sinking. It's a problem for Stern Pinball. They really messed this whole thing up. The Ellie's never used to lose value. It used to be the place where the collectors got handed something that was ascending in value. And now it's like, gosh, it's so painful to see this, that the pro is now the smartest and wisest place to financially put your Stern money. All right, so there's a guy selling a bunch of older Stern machines here. We've got an Austin Powers for $4,900, a Sopranos for $6,400, a Spider-Man for $6,500. You know, these D&D era games are really, I think at this stage, hard to move. They're just hard to move. Like there's so many games now in the Spike 1 and Spike 2 era of Stern pinball. And I don't know, you know, you don't really hear people really wanting these games, But the good news is, is they're also not that expensive. These are more than those games used to sell for. But look, for $4,900, you can go get an Austin Powers. Is it a great game? No, but it's also only $4,900. And if you spend that, it's not going to then go down to being worth like $3,000 or $4,000 right away. So, you know, it just goes to show you, though, there are always pinball machines available. And this is sometimes why some of these newer companies, they don't really get it, right? we're going to come in and we're going to offer affordable pinball to the world. Well, there is a ton of affordable pinball in the world. It's just not the brand new stuff. But most of this stuff, if you put it in your man cave, it's still a pinball machine. You're still going to have fun playing pinball. I want to pick out some fun ones here. Ghostbusters premium, $10,500 for a Ghostbusters DMD error game premium. Get out of town. I would not spend 10 five on a Ghostbusters premium. I think this game might be remade and I wouldn't go anywhere near a Ghostbusters until the end of this year. There's still going to be a ton of these premiums out there in the world, and I don't think they're worth 10.5 at all. This one's funny. John Wick Pro with mods, only 198 plays. The joke about a game has to have less than 200 plays for $5,799 or best offer. You know, once you put OBO, once you put OBO, you're just telegraphing. You'll take at least $500 less, right? I mean, that's what that means. So it's like John Wick Pro is one of those games where, yeah, you're probably not going to get much more than $5,000 on the table. John Wick is sort of like a venom. You know, it's sort of just like this game that nobody cares about. Nobody talks about. I sure it fun to shoot but you know at what day do you wake up and you want one That the thing I don get is I don care what the price is I just won betting on the NFL this past week and I still would not buy a John Wick Pro even if you offered it to me for Even if I just wanted to cash in my winnings, I don't want it. I don't even want it at $3,000. I don't even want it at $2,000. And the reason why is I just don't even want it ever to occupy physical space in my world. And I think for a lot of you guys out there, that's what it comes down to. It's not just the price. It's like, do you even want it? So I think we're going to see John Wick just continue to go down and down and down. And gang, I mean this. In a few years, we're going to see a lot of these modern games. We're going to see a lot of pinball machines sink into like the $4,000 to $5,000 range. It's going to happen. You're going to be able to get a lot of these modern pros for around $4,000 to $4,500. It's just the state of where we're at. There's so much out there. Let's find some other fun ones here. Let's see what we got here. There's a Toy Story CE with a sale pending. I want to click on this and see what the price was. All right, so Toy Story CE brand new. Brand new. You know what the game was brand new? $15,000. Let's talk about this one. $15,000. This game is being listed for sale in Arizona with 155 plays. Ladies and gentlemen, I would put 155 plays on this game in a weekend. Now, guess what the price was on a $15,000 Jersey Jack Toy Story? It pains me to say this, $8,750. That is a loss of $6,250 on a single pinball machine. Like, how do you ever recover from that? $6,250 loss when you bought a Jersey Jack Toy Story. One of the biggest IPs in history. They fumbled it so poorly that CEs are now going for that. And all of you out there who own a CE, you are now part of that club. You're going to lose as much on your game as an entire Stern Pro cost. That's brutal. Led Zeppelin Pro for $5,000. See people? And it's not sold. It's not sold. That game's going to sink into the $4,500 range. Looney Tunes CE with Butter Cabinet. Now brand new, a Looney Tunes CE with a Butter Cabinet. Brand new game. You're looking closer to $12,000. Now you can get it for $9,000 or best offer. Another OBO, which means $8,500 on the table, which means again, another savings of over $3,000. And that game just came out last year. I mean, how many times am I gonna do this and show you all that almost every single game you could save $3,000 if you just wait a year. All right, here's another one. Foo Fighter LE with Topper and more. Now remember the Foo Fighter Topper was $2,000. Don't forget that. And the game brand new was $13,000. So you add those two numbers together and this guy's got some mods and you're at $15,000 before the mods in the game. Okay, so what did that $15,000 purchase turn into now? $11,000. Wow. I mean, that's a $4,000 loss. Here's another crazy one. Legends of Valhalla Limited Edition. What did that game cost new? Does anyone remember? I'll tell you right now, $5,000 or best offer. 5,000, OBO, remember, subtract 500 bucks when you see the OBO. So that means $4,500 for this game. I know this game knew how to be at least around $7,500 or $8,000. Let's find a couple more here. The Godfather LE. Godfather LE knew was $12,000. Guess how much they want for it? $7,795 firm. Now they're not going to get that. Even though that's over a $4,000 loss on the game, they're not going to get that because Godfather CE's are going for around $9,000 now. And so if you can get the CE, which is much nicer, you're not going to spend almost eight firm on the LE. I think Godfather LE is more like a $7,000 pin now. Let's do two more. Let's do Godzilla Limited Edition. Okay, so these have come down a lot. Remember at the height of COVID, Godzilla LEs were going for like $18,000, $19,000. Now you can get a Godzilla LE for $13,250. $13,250 OBO. Take another $500 off. That means Godzilla LEs are selling for less than a brand new Stern LE new in box. Now look, remember Godzilla was $10,500, but it just goes to show you nothing can really hold at these prices. There's an Elvira Blood Kiss Edition for $12,000 or best offer. That's lost money. we've got another godfather le here for 6600 just think about that for a minute a 6600 game that game was 12 000 brand new you don't want me to keep doing this there's only one game i'm about to bring up here that's actually held value and gone up a batman super le for 32 000 or best offer the ship has sailed on these 30 000 batman super le's uh the one to really get in my mind's been changed. The one to get, because it's later in the run, and they made the game shoot better, and I don't even think they made more than 100 or so, is the Catwoman edition. Notice how you never see Catwoman editions of Batman up for sale. I think those are the harder ones to get, and I think the game plays better. But man, yes, I do love Batman SLE, but man, $32,000? No, I think this game is now around more like $25,000. And even that sounds crazy to say. Everybody, look, my point is when you do this, when you actually look at the data, doesn't this make you much more calm? Isn't this the easiest way to blow up FOMO is just actually look at all of this? The same thing that I just said to you, like all these decreasing prices. This is what's going to happen to Dungeons and Dragons. You're going to start to see D&D LEs in six months for 10 grand. All this is going to happen to everything. And I don't know. Something's got to give here, people. Something's got to give. Either the themes have to be so damn good that you're not going to absolutely be destroyed. Because, gang, it was never like this. It was never like this. I love doing this because it just reminds me that this is the last place I'd want to stick 15,000 or 13,000. And if I really want those games, I'll just wait and I'll swoop in with some 9,000 OBO on a stern elite. Everybody have a great Tuesday. We'll be back with more Canada's Pinball Podcast. And do me a favor, everybody. Invite a friend to join the show. We're still just lingering around like 715 subscribers. Can't we get to 800? 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