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Q and A with Scott Danesi pt.1

Dead Flip·video·27m 3s·analyzed·Sep 5, 2017
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TL;DR

Matt Scott Q&A on TNA design, software stack, and Spooky Pinball operations from road trip stream.

Summary

Matt Scott Danesi of Spooky Pinball streams a Q&A from a car leaving the factory, discussing Total Nuclear Annihilation's design, technical specifications (LED displays, Python/C++ software stack), and answering community questions about the game's mechanics, reliability priorities, and future projects. The stream features casual banter with a co-host and chat interactions.

Key Claims

  • Total Nuclear Annihilation numeric displays are LED and low voltage, with replacement parts readily available

    high confidence · Direct technical answer from Matt Scott during Q&A

  • Alice Cooper (unreleased Spooky game) has between 13-17 ramps with unique features

    high confidence · Matt Scott stated specific ramp count range and teased unique mechanics; shows game was viewed at Spooky facility

  • There will be no flipper codes or track sounds in Total Nuclear Annihilation

    high confidence · Explicit statement from designer Matt Scott declining both features

  • TNA's left orbit is always open at launch, requiring precision to reach the core without full plunge

    high confidence · Detailed gameplay mechanic explanation from designer

  • Matt Scott handled electrical engineering, software, music, sound effects, story concept, and art direction for TNA

    high confidence · Direct statement from designer about his workload on the project

  • TNA software high-level code (modes, animations) is written in Python; low-level runs on P-Ramp framework in C++

    high confidence · Technical specification provided by designer

  • Matt Scott previously worked as an Oracle certified professional doing financial database and business intelligence consulting

    high confidence · Direct career history statement from designer

  • TNA ships this year (2018) and machines are already going into production

    high confidence · Matt Scott confirmed shipping timeline in response to Texas Pinball Festival question

Notable Quotes

  • “The three machines I want to play forever do not exist yet.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 7:15 — Designer commentary on evolving game design preferences and future inspiration

  • “The best compliment someone can give me on this game is to tell me how reliable they think it is and how solid they think it is.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 14:43 — Reveals Matt Scott's primary design priority: reliability over flashiness

  • “I did too much. So like, the whole thing is a pain in the butt. The software is probably the most pain in the butt.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 14:27 — Designer reflects on overextension across multiple disciplines (electrical, software, audio, art)

  • “When you launch the ball at any time, the left orbit is open always. Always.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 13:05 — Core game design decision for TNA launch mechanics

  • “Matt Andrews...doesn't get offended when you give him constructive criticism...he'd be like 'sure no problem' and then come back with amazing ideas.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 12:38 — Insight into Spooky's collaborative design process with artist Matt Andrews

  • “I looked around at display colors for a long time...I found green, I found yellow, I found amber, and I almost went with amber...But then I was like, you know what? I'll just make it white.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 12:12 — Designer decision-making on LED display aesthetics with customization via gel filters

Entities

Matt Scott DanesipersonSpooky PinballcompanyTotal Nuclear AnnihilationgameCharliepersonMatt AndrewspersonAlice CoopergameJack DangerpersonDead FliporganizationP-Rampproduct

Signals

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    design_philosophy: Matt Scott prioritizes reliability above all else; describes it as 'number one priority'; considers it the best compliment he can receive

    high · Direct statement: 'the best compliment someone can give me on this game is to tell me how reliable they think it is and how solid they think it is'

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    personnel_signal: Matt Andrews (Spooky artist) demonstrates collaborative flexibility and creative problem-solving; designer reports no defensiveness to constructive criticism

    high · Matt Scott described working with Andrews: 'he doesn't get offended when you give him constructive criticism' and readily produces alternative designs

  • ?

    announcement: Total Nuclear Annihilation confirmed shipping in 2018 with production already underway; machines leaving factory

    high · Matt Scott confirmed 'they're going out this year' and 'they'll start shipping this year' in response to Texas Pinball Festival question

  • ?

    product_strategy: TNA's playfield design required custom cabinet modifications by Matt Scott to accommodate flatness and reduce depth; non-standard approach

    high · Matt Scott stated he 'even took the Spooky Pinball cabinet and modified the Spooky Pinball cabinet that they normally use to accommodate a more flat playfield with no ramps'

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    product_strategy: Alice Cooper (unreleased Spooky game) has 13-17 ramps with unique, unrevealed features; game being actively developed and showcased to designers

    high · Matt Scott stated he 'got to see Alice Cooper' with 'unique stuff' and 'a lot packed on it'; described 13-17 ramp count when pressed

Topics

Total Nuclear Annihilation technical specifications and designprimarySpooky Pinball manufacturing and production timelineprimaryPinball software architecture and programming languagessecondaryGame reliability as design prioritysecondaryAlice Cooper (unreleased game) specifications and featuressecondaryDesigner workflow and collaboration processesmentionedMatt Scott's career background before pinballmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Matt Scott shows enthusiasm for TNA and pride in reliability-focused design; casual, friendly banter with co-host and chat community; some self-deprecating humor about overextending himself across disciplines; no significant criticisms or negative sentiment

Transcript

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Are you going to be able to read the question? Yeah, absolutely. How? I will do the reading. I mean, how do you even see it? Oh, it'll pop up. Distance. Oh, that's right. You haven't seen it from this, eh? I've never seen it. Well, if I stop getting effing emails and notifications, because I just... Shut everything down. It started back then. Oh, my God. My life. All right. Well, once the emails stop pouring in, oh, my Lord. F-M-L-I-R. Yo, M. Welsh, what's up, buddy? Thanks for tuning in last night, dude. uh give us a type the word sandwich if you can hear us okay party time party time now he's not going to be reading the chat because that would be against tos obviously yeah um but we're good i'm not even gonna look at the phone yeah sandwich lots of sandwiches well damn a lot of people are here what's going on wafu good to see you, dude. The Twitch police are here. Wafu. He has nothing to do with this. I'm the one streaming. If I need to rotate it away from him a little bit, you just let me know. Here, I'll do this. Yeah, I don't even need to be on there. Yeah. Cool. Party time sandwich. PB&J. Yes. Kappa. So, um, we're leaving Spooky. As you can see, we're in the middle of freaking rural nowhere. There's just corn for days. Scott, are the numeric displays high voltage, segment, or LED? Those are LED and they are low voltage. Low voltage LED? They have replacement parts available. Oh, check out what's in the car with us. That is a total nuclear annihilation. Charlie forgot to kick us out so we stole a machine and now we're leaving background looks fake we're actually just sitting in front of a green screen right now it's nothing but corn we're wearing the same clothes as yesterday yes we were sleeping underneath the machines there they done stole it and got up and out you gotta do what you gotta do Yeah, man. I'm sure we'll pass by some soybeans soon. That's pretty exciting. Please tell me this is like Knight Rider. Yeah, whatever you want. Hello, Jack. Just a corn video loop. This is the creator of Total Nuclear Annihilation, Scott Danesi. And if anyone has any questions about the game or the stream last night, give us a holler. Also, if you're interested in buying the machine, type exclamation point spooky in chat and there's some information there on how to get a hold of whoever you need to get a hold of to buy one of those bad boys. To everyone that purchased one, thank you. To everyone that said my name when you purchased it, double thank you. Jack tries too hard to say nuclear every time. It sucks, man. Because I'm trying to break a habit. He'll get it eventually. I'm trying to break a terrible, terrible habit. Nuclear. Yeah. I have to slow down and say it. Nuclear. I have to. Nuclear. Nuclear. Annihilation. What's going on, señoritas? What up? What up, everybody? Just say it the W way. You know that dumb song you sang the other day with the... You're like, What are you recording all this stuff? Dude, I told you. I told you I was recording. Well, I told your users I was recording you, and I was like, guys, get him to say something funny. Like, I'm putting it in the music. I must have missed it. Christian only gave me budget for one. Oh, I don't know, man. It depends on what you like. Alice Cooper has ramps. Yeah, Alice Cooper has ramps. Alice Cooper has... So I got to see Alice Cooper. Obviously, I can't talk about it too much, but it's got some unique stuff on there. It definitely has... does several mean just more than one or to me more than two i don't i don't know several is it has several means three or four it has close close to say though close to nothing it's close to nothing it has it has stuff on it it's got a lot packed on it 13 to 17 ramps okay that's a little bit too specific all right sorry i'm just kidding i heard my tna last night Tell me you love me. I do love you. I love every single person that has bought one. Yeah. You ding dong. Can I buy a flipper code? What the hell does that mean? Pay me money to put a flipper code? No. No. There's not going to be flipper codes in this game. No. I don't think I'm going to do that. I'm also not going to put a track sounds in because I just don't like that. Right. But I don't know, man. Like, it's just. Scott is going to sneak in a secret animation for dead flipping there. Yeah. But you have to achieve something to make it happen. it's not just a type and type and wipe or whatever you want to call it. Type and wipe. Type and wipe. I think I'm number 10. Heck yeah, dude. Dude, 10? Jeez. That's low. You're number 10. Can I A your Q? Let's go, baby. A your Q? Answer your question. Worst score? Worst score? Oh. I think we saw a solid like 15,000. Yeah, that was bad. Buy Scott's Love for only $6,000. Pretty cheap. Jack, I'm sorry I made fun of your beer farts the other night. Totally unprofessional of me. What are you talking about, man? I love you. Beer farts. I don't know. Beer farts. I mean, that just happens. Energizing Blood Orange Kickstarter. Yeah, they need to... No one needs to, like, sponsor. Yeah, pinball is totally red and out of control. Yeah. I guess. So this drive back from Spooky is a couple of hours. I don't know how long we're going to stream, but we're going to stream long enough for you guys to ask some questions. Scott, how do you have time to do everything you do? Red Bull? Lion's Blood? That's what he has in his hand. Boom. Kickstart. I drink those. He turned me on to this stuff. It's pretty good. I drink that because, alright, so I've got a reason why I drink that stuff. It has less sugar than soda. It doesn have any taurine or guarana or whatever the crap is and all that weird chemical shit It just it like a little bit of sugar It got flavoring and it got caffeine in it That's all that's in it. Yeah, buddy. So, if I have to drink a soda, I drink one of those. Or I drink coffee. Question for both of you. Pick only three machines you could own for the next year. I hate these questions. Dude, those are impossible to answer questions. You know what three machines I want? The three machines I want don't exist yet. How about that? That's interesting. The three machines I want to play forever do not exist yet. You guys just passed the children of the corn. Malachi. Yep, there's another one. They're like walking out of the corn. Is that a pinball machine? We're done killing people. Soybeans on the... Yeah, now we're into soybeans. It's going back to corn pretty soon, though. Dude, I'll tell you who's asking that question. Straight down the middle, pinball? Dude, if people have an answer to that question, they haven't played enough pinball machines. There's so many good pinball machines. Because if you go to replay effects and play on Papa's collection, there's like 300 unique pinball machines that you can play from. It's hard because there's days where I'm hungover and I just want a face value freaking solid state game that's just street level. If something's 100 points, it's 100 points. If it's lit, it's 1,000 points. Some days I'm like, I'm freaking pumped. I want a game that's going to beat my ass like an Iron Man, you know? And other days I'm like, you know, let's play a game with like crazy deep rules and see. There you go. Machine I've been playing a lot lately. Man. I don't know. I don't know. I found myself playing Radical a lot while I was in my studio. That game's a lot of fun. World Cup Soccer is one of those games I could go back to time and time again. I don't know if I like that game. Yeah? Yeah, I tried to like it. Spinning Soccer Ball adds nothing to the machine. Yeah. It adds nothing. Great stream last night. TNA looks unreal. Yeah, right? It does look kind of fake. How stretched out is your shirt, Jack? Yeah, dude, Jay. Oh, yeah. Wait, is that you, Jay? No, who is that? I can't read your name. Jay looked like he was wearing a small child's shirt when he had this thing on. And I looked like I was wearing my dad's clothes. Hey, what's a supper club? Does anyone know what a supper club is? I think those are the invite-only eating establishments where you have to be naked. Yo, Hasabella for four months in a row, thank you for maintaining your membership to the league. You're amazing, ladies and gentlemen. flippers and butts up five months away from a baby. Let's go. What is your grail machine saying? Scott was just talking about this. He's like, man, I like subbing when you're live because I like getting the speech. I love the speech. Yeah, I love doing that. Gotta get that speech. You always gotta sub when you're live. Yeah, man. Then you get flippers and butts, too. It truly does look fake with the light show and the music integration. Yo, Laura, what's up baby? We're driving away from Benton, Wisconsin. We're headed somewhere else. We're headed directly east on 20. Come find us. We are in Illinois, technically. Yeah. Oh shit, mom's here. Yeah, baby. Yo, Laura, how's Chuck enjoying Michigan? So Charlie or Chuck from Spooky, the gentleman that runs the joint, he just, he's helping his daughter right now, like right today, move out of the house to go to college, to move into a campus apartment where she is going, doesn't matter, we don't need to get into it. Going to college. Where she's going to college. And how sad is that? Like it's, it's like heart-wrenching. and Chuck's like, man, you know, how old's your daughter? One. He's like, my daughter was one, like a month ago. I can't believe she's gone now. It sucked. Picked a later brewer for four months in a row. Thank you for maintaining your membership to the league. You're amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, flippers and butts up. Yeah, we did the sleepover. That's why we're wearing the same clothes. Same clothes. My college is doing the same. Oh, my colleague. Nice. he isn't wrong dude enjoy all the time you can with them oh I don't want to hear that yeah it is sad let's talk about something else who has more questions for Scott let's go I like the question about the LED displays being like I hold your low voltage that's good yeah things will last forever but just in case someone smashes one they're all replacement and I like how you went with the white, like you mentioned, you could, like, add your own gel to it if you wanted them to be, like, bright pink or, like, neon green or... Well, yeah, because, I mean, they don't make pink, right? They don't... I looked around at display colors for a long time. This is Scott right here. This is Scott Denisey. And I looked around, and, like, I found green, I found yellow, I found amber, and I was, like, I almost went with amber, to tell you the truth, just because it was, like, original looking. But then I was, like, you know what? I'll just make it white. We can always just put gel over it. Yeah, man. Make it whatever color. and they could be pink dude i could freaking awesome what is matt andrews like to work with oh he's awesome he's a really cool dude very professional um what's really cool about matt andrews though is he doesn't get offended when you give him constructive criticism so like when something like if there's something i didn't like that he did i could just be like matt i don't really like that can you come up with like a different idea for that or something and he would just be like sure no problem he's just like and then he'd be like how about this and then i'm like, holy crap, that's amazing. And then we ended up with, on the play field and everything. Are you going to add a skill shot that requires to hold like a left flipper to like come around the orbit? Well, so interesting actually is when you launch the ball at any time, the left orbit is open always. Always. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to try and get it into the core, you really have to get that right. You can't just full plunge it. You full plunge it, it goes all the way around. And then you're just in live ball play. Yeah. You're just in live ball play but it does give you the ability to hit a combo shot off the left flipper when it comes around the combo shots not really worth as much as a skill shot obviously but it you know it something It something That's where we are. What part of creating TNA was a pain in the butt, and what was the most rewarding? Most rewarding, that's... Okay, so the pain in the butt is the whole thing, actually, because I did too much sign of it. I did the electrical engineering on it. I did the software. I did the music. I did the sound effects. I did the story concept. I did the art direction with Matt Andrews. What else did I do? Lots of stuff. I mean, I even, like, this sounds crazy, but I even took the spooky cabinet and modified the spooky cabinet that they normally use to accommodate a more flat playfield with no ramps. so there's less depth in the cabinet where the playfield's sitting. But, I mean, I just did too much. So, like, the whole thing is a pain in the butt. The software is probably the most pain in the butt, but second to that is making sure that it's reliable, which is a very, very high priority for me. It's actually the number one priority. Like, the best compliment someone can give me on this game is to tell me how reliable they think it is and how solid they think it is. Cool. Are you going to do any more homebrew games that are going to take the pinball world by storm? I don't know. I don't know. As of right now, I'm still getting all this stuff done and getting this ready for production. And I'm going to have to do post-production support. And, yeah, then we'll see what happens. How much would we have to pay to get Scott to come to Flipout? Where is that? Where is Flipout? Like, Vancouver? What language is software written in it? software, the low level stuff is written in C++ actually, but I didn't touch any of that because it's running on the P-Rock framework, but the high level stuff where all the modes and animations and cool stuff there, that's all written in Python which is pretty awesome Python, baby, it's got a cool name, yeah, great pinball designer Scott did work on a machine he sort of reprogrammed an Earthshaker to something called Earthshaker Aftershock that I don't think is something you can really take to market but it is an interesting project that we might stream one of these days I just need to stream an Earthshaker before I stream an Aftershock Because I don't think I've ever played an Earthshaker properly. You know, I do have the ability to run the original software on my Earthshaker still. Yeah. With the hardware set up. So maybe, I don't know, you could stream like half, or maybe like an hour Earthshaker, and then like two or three hours of Aftershock. Yeah, you're right. Whose TNA are you hauling? That's mine. Yeah, it's Scott's. It is not for me, ladies and gentlemen. Will you or Spooky be bringing TNAs to SPF 2018? and if so, can I use one of them in the TPF tournament? TPF 2018? Texas Pinball Festival. I'm sure Charlie will bring some. I'm sure someone will bring some. I mean, like, there's going to be, the machines will be out by then. Yeah. So. Yeah, because they're going out this year. Yeah. But they'll start shipping this year. It's a, it's crazy how quick those went from an idea that you just had to like a game that's going to be cranked on and put out. That's crazy. Please tell me that is some sunscreen and not a pinball machine. What are you talking about? That looks like sunscreen. How large of a drunk do you need to be to fit in a normal sized pinball machine? I could probably squeeze inside one. I could probably, no, it would be like a kid's toboggan for me. We haven't made it. When I was at MGC last year, Charlie brought me the empty, non-painted cruddy, made of scrap wood cabinet for a prototype and I don't know, there's a picture of me sitting in it. There is, yeah. A lot less wiring. Yeah, it's been simplified. You've seen the underside of the prototype and there's not an inch to add anything. There's still a lot of stuff on the bottom of this thing. Yeah. Just the wires are more under control, more organized. Did Scott win diorama competitions in middle school? I think I made one one time with a dinosaur. There you go. It had a lake in it. Is the stream looking pretty stable, ladies and gentlemen? I can't really read people's names. I can only read the white text that's happening, folks. I'm sorry if I'm not getting that right. Conversions? Yeah, there's no The answer is no. So, I mean, I built this thing for me when I built it. I was just going to build it, like, be like, hey, look at this cool thing that I built, and I was just going to bring it to some of the local Chicago shows and just kind of have fun with it. But then, yeah. Well, we are driving in the middle of nowhere where there's zero freaking cell service, so the fact that it's still kind of working is good to go. The audio sounds good, though. That's all that matters. Cool. Cool. Quality sucks, but the stream isn't terrible. Cool. We're going to get to the highway. Yeah, once the highway kicks in. Because we're next to Skate Station, which is an old butcher barn. It's a roller rink, dude. I wish we had a bunch of time to kill. Because there was this really cruddy swing set. Oh man, it was a creepy giant clown head. Yeah, it had chains hanging off of it and stuff. We're going to go play on it, but there's just no time. E.P. the Geek, Scott, are you going to Dinos for CPA tomorrow? Oh, Eric, spoiling my surprise. Yeah, I'll be there. You are at 60 FPS, you can turn it down. Oh, I probably should. Well, I can't do that while I'm streaming. Next time, boys, next time. 60 FPS. Damn. I mean, I guess I could just kill it now and then fix that. Yeah, we'll be at the highway pretty soon. Okay. It's got to look sexy. Skip Natty with one bit Can I have the TNA please Did my phone just say did my phone just type what you said Does it freaking talk Hold on Hold on Sorry internet I going to get rid of this for a second. I'm going to turn this up. Part of it might be the glare from the sun. That could be. Chair one, I like butt stuff. Oh, sweet. Yes, yes. Yay! I like butt stuff too. Did I fix the lens? Does it look good? Chair one, butts, butts, butts, butts, please say those, British lady. Please say those, British lady. Why is it saying that? You've got to put a comma in so she knows how to talk properly. I should probably turn that up so it needs to be more bits in order to make it say something. Oh, so you put a bunch of bits down and you can make it actually say stuff. Yeah, so right now it's like one bit makes it say something. We should change that. Let's see if I can... I love that. You sons of bitches. Oh, that's great. Throw some biddies. Here's the deal. Swipe down for message. Shit. Did I just kill the stream? Turn left at the intersection ahead. Flip chair one. Internet, if we're still live, type the word fart, please. I think I screwed something up. I think. Cheer one, why am I so amused? Do the thing with the butt and the peen. The butt and the peen. That's so awesome. Dude, make it like a ten-chair. Do you want roadhead, Scott? Cheer one, cheer one, cheer one. What? Cheer one, cheer one, cheer one. That's three? That's three. Thanks for the bits. Not for three pennies. Cheer one, fart noises and farts. All right. Guys, how about this? If you want to ask a question, make sure your grammar is impeccable and put a bit in there. And that way you can just read it to us and we don't have to try to struggle to read what's going on here. Chair 1, fart, fart, fart, dial dough, dial dough, dingleberry. Dial dough, dial dough. Dial dough. Dial dough. Chair 1, 69, 420. Yeah. Yeah. Whoop. sixty nine four twenty chairman how did the go to tea Street Wednesday it went really well actually and golden tea was actually in the chat it was awesome they taught us some skills and they're gonna buy my golfers some gear that's pretty much any ever spent yeah they're gonna be looking us up it's gonna be dope I might actually pass that savings on to you since you play the game more. I play it all the time. Yeah. Love it. We'll hook your golf rope. Scott, any thought to adding a super skill with a full plunge? Oh, yeah, we already addressed that. I don't think he's going to add any more skill shots. There's already two in there. Yeah. The super skill shot already exists. It's the hands-free, or it's not the hands-free. But what's great is you can move the hands-free skill shot before you plunge. Yep. Which I didn't know until halfway through the stream. It starts out in a random position, too. Yeah. We're just eating drugs. You don't keep your molly in Altoids, container? Chair one, keep driving if you want to give me a free TNA. Oh, whoops. Well, you got us. It looks like you're getting a free TNA. That's pretty funny I like the talking thing Diddly bits for five months in a row Thank you for maintaining your membership to the league You're amazing Ladies and gentlemen Flippers and butts up Show some love in chat Diddly I love you Chair one which shaker motor do you use for TNA? It's the Shaker motor for spooky pinball So We're gonna have Pivot Life will be carrying it really soon Chair one Scott What was your career before Dutch that got you into pinball design and call? That's going to be annoying, probably. I'll address that in just a second. The shaker motor, though, is just a standard. It's a pinball life shaker motor, which has a wire harness for TNA on it. We'll have those on the site probably in two weeks. Yeah, what was your job? My job before was I was a – this didn't get me into pinball, though, But before I did all the pinball stuff, I was an Oracle certified professional. And I did consulting and we built financial databases and financial business intelligence systems. Business intelligence systems. Yeah. Tell Scott that if I send him lots of British candy and chocolate, will he put the MP3 of the TNA theme up tonight? um you guys so everyone's like oh i gotta have this on you know you know on uh you know digital copies or whatever but you gotta realize that like the music that's in the game is actually game music so it's like loops so it's not like a full song you couldn't sit down and listen to it it's only like uh it's like a minute and 30 second loop that you don't know it's looping you know So, I mean, I could do it if you guys want to hear it, but some of the stuff that's already out there that is actually in total nuclear annihilation is the Reactor 1 song. When Reactor 1 is running, it's called Alpha Particles, and that's something that I wrote that is out there on, it is on Amazon Music, it's on YouTube, I don't know. You can just type my name in any of those music streaming services and you'll be able to listen to some of that stuff. TNA ringtone. Alert, please. That'd be kind of cool. Let me, uh, internet, I'm going to kill this really quick. To try something. I'm going to change some settings and we'll be right back. Alright? Love you. Goodbye. Don't touch.
  • “There's not going to be flipper codes in this game. No.”

    Matt Scott Danesi@ 4:51 — Explicit rejection of a common pinball cheat/feature request

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    Texas Pinball Festivalevent
    Straight Down The Middleorganization
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    technology_signal: TNA uses Python-based high-level software architecture for modes/animations, running on P-Ramp C++ framework; represents modern pinball software design approach

    high · Matt Scott detailed: 'high level stuff...that's all written in Python' running on 'P-Ramp or mode name framework' for C++ low-level