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Pinball Junk Drawer Episode 63 - Elvira, New Year Shenanighans and general lunchbox whatnot

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·27m 26s·analyzed·Jan 9, 2025
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TL;DR

Junk Drawer hosts review Elvira machine issues and Stern customer service while celebrating New Year's.

Summary

Hosts discuss their new Elvira pinball machine, customer service issues with Stern, recent job changes, and a New Year's Eve tournament at Lumberjack Johnny's. They review craft beers from the event and mention Stern's new Dungeons & Dragons pinball release.

Key Claims

  • Stern's customer service is 'dog shit' and 'comically bad' with non-responsive support

    high confidence · Host experienced multiple unacknowledged emails regarding Elvira deadheads and broken rubber issues

  • Dave Fix departure from American Pinball coincided with their lunchbox finally shipping after years of delays

    medium confidence · Correlation noted between Fix's departure announcement and lunchbox shipment occurring same day; host jokes this suggests Fix was blocking the order

  • Elvira machine arrived with multiple issues: two non-functional deadheads and a broken rubber by lowest pop bumper

    high confidence · Host documented receiving unit with manufacturing defects out of box

  • Stern glass installation on newer machines is problematic and requires significant physical adjustment

    high confidence · Host described glass installation as 'harrowing' and filed down plastic rails to resolve fit issues

  • Elvira deadheads pop off and require Gorilla Glue re-attachment; this is a known issue discussed on Pinside forums

    high confidence · Host researched on Pinside and found it's a common maintenance requirement after initial failure

Notable Quotes

  • “Stern's customer service is for dog shit. It is the worst. It is so bad, like comically bad.”

    Foghorn Leghorn (host) @ ~17:30 — Direct criticism of manufacturer support quality; suggests systemic customer service problem at Stern

  • “I can only assume that basically Dave Fix was the reason we weren't getting our lunchbox. Allegedly.”

    Craft Brew Sally @ ~2:45 — Humorous speculation linking American Pinball personnel change to order fulfillment issues

  • “This machine is so fun. And she is such a goofball.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ ~23:15 — Despite mechanical issues, host expresses genuine enthusiasm for Elvira gameplay and personality

  • “You have to be very obsessive and really dedicated to be good. Good enough to do top one or two.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ ~44:00 — Commentary on competitive pinball skill requirements and tournament play dynamics

  • “I'll give it away before I'll sell it to you for $1,000.”

    Frankenstein pinball seller (recounted) @ ~37:45 — Anecdote about market dynamics and seller-buyer friction in pinball secondary market

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyCraft Brew SallypersonFoghorn LeghornpersonDave FixpersonZach MinneypersonRachelpersonLumberjack Johnny'sorganizationGlenn Wechter

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Lumberjack Johnny's hosted New Year's Eve tournament with elimination-style bracket format across multiple machines

    high · Hosts participated in tournament with 10 players; lowest score eliminated per machine; duck race giveaway component

  • ?

    operational_signal: Stern customer service systematically non-responsive to support requests, lacking automated ticketing or basic acknowledgment protocols

    high · Multiple unanswered emails over several days regarding machine defects; no auto-reply even during holiday closure; contrast with one responsive support interaction

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Stern's newer glass installation design has physical fit issues requiring manual file-down of plastic rails

    high · Host describes glass removal/installation as 'harrowing' and manually filed plastic rail components to improve fitment

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Dave Fix departure from American Pinball coincided with long-delayed lunchbox shipment to customers

    medium · Hosts jokingly speculate Fix was responsible for order delays; departure announcement and shipment occurred same day after years of non-fulfillment

  • ?

    announcement: Stern released Dungeons & Dragons: Eye of the Tyrant to positive community reception

    high · Hosts note game 'was actually very well received' despite initial concern about niche appeal; described as 'really beautiful machine'

  • ~

Transcript

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0:00
Now who's responsi- I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? I say, I say, I say, pay attention now, boy. This is, of course, Foghorn Leghorn presents the Pinball Junk Drawer. You all asked for it. I say, I say, you all asked for it now. You're gonna get it. Boy, oh boy, are you gonna get it. Go, I say, go away, boy, you bother me.
0:25
It's time for the one and only Pinball Junk Drawer. the only pinball podcast that's still recovering from sticker shock from 2020. My name's Foghorn Leghorn, and with me as always... Craft Brew Sally. Craft Brew locked out of your favorite app, Sally. Oh my god. I'm not locked out. I just have to pay for what I want. You have no access to any information anymore.
0:50
I might have to pay. Oh my god. What's the app that you're using? It's my favorite app of all time, Untappd. untapped yeah so uh if you want to access your your your my insider you want to access your insider connect information that's next insider connects gonna start charging you for like all that special stuff i'll be like oh no man and now it's ruined for everybody oh my god exciting couple weeks yeah really exciting couple weeks yes most exciting i guess of all is that they've shipped our lunchbox that's a that's a three our order from like 2000 is finally coming yes we ordered the galactic tank for its lunchbox that just never happened and then uh we every now and then we'd crap russali not us would write an angry email and they'd never reply not even like an auto reply like hey we received your email nothing nothing and then their last one you sent was when they put up a post oh Frenchie's signing some lunch boxes at Expo and then hey we still have an open order but I didn't see that they were that he was signing them until after we had already left Expo or I probably would have gone over there and been like hey what's up pointing at your fist what a bunch of crap so then the news comes out that Dave Fix is let go from American Pinball, and then a day later our lunchbox ships. No, no, no, no. Same day. So I can only assume that basically Dave Fix was the reason we weren't getting our lunchbox. Oh, if I ever see that guy. Allegedly. No cease and desist. Oh, my God. So, yeah. The most important thing was, you know, we've been spending some time with Elvira. Yes. That machine is finicky. Yes, it is. I can tell I'm going to be spending a lot of time under the hood keeping it running. I'm assuming some of this is going to be dialing it in. Did we actually talk about the receiving of the L-Five? I thought we did. No, we might not have. You're right. So we got it. Everything was safe and sound. I went down the switchback stairs, got it set up. Very excited. It's a gorgeous machine. It was funny.
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sentiment_shift: Elvira machine characterized as fun and engaging despite significant maintenance requirements and out-of-box issues

high · Host expresses enthusiasm ('so fun', 'such a goofball') while documenting multiple technical issues; discusses long Pinside troubleshooting thread

  • ?

    product_concern: Elvira machines showing multiple out-of-box defects: non-functional deadheads, broken rubber, indicating potential QA/manufacturing issues at Stern

    high · Two deadheads didn't work, mystery rubber broken behind ramp by lowest pop bumper, glass installation problems documented

    • 3:14
    We ordered it from Flippin' Out Pinball, and we were very excited. and we never heard anything from Zach and then I wrote Zach saying it showed up, we're all good and then a week later I found his email was in the spam folder saying here's your tracking number I was just like well he's kind of busy it was a crossed wire but it was also like Christmas week and you know nutty time of the year yeah because Craver was telling me did Zach write it? I was like, nah, but he's, you know, this is literally Christmas. So it's not a big deal. And I didn't think nothing of it anyway. You know, it was all squared up and off it goes. I assumed it would be fine. We got a call from FedEx. It showed up.
    3:59
    It arrived safe and sound, which was the first question. You know, like no big holes in the box, which is sometimes. Which machine came with the hole? Was it Godzilla? Godzilla had a hole in the box, but it had no damage. I don't know where that came from. but this one right off the bat real finicky and like the two of the dead heads didn't work at all and then there's like this mystery one of the rubbers is broken like by the behind the ramp by the bumper by the lowest pop bumper out of the box just laying there and we're like oh that's weird didn't realize it until one of our boss got stuck in there And then, so then we like, okay. And then of course, now the next problem is Stern's glass, the glass problem. And this is, this is a real problem. Like getting the glass in and out of old machines was like, whatever. You just pull them right out and get to work. And it's become a harrowing, I hope this doesn't explode adventure every single time. And you're going to take glass all the time. So I looked that up and then I loosened the bolts that hold the side rails on. and then I actually kind of got in there and stretched the plastic out a little bit and it helped. I think I'm actually going to go in there with a file and just file down the plastic rails to the point where it goes in and out easily because I can't deal with that. You have to take pinball machines apart all the time.
    5:28
    And so we had this off. And I wrote to Stern and was like, hey, two of the deadheads ain't working. and this rubber, one of the rubbers arrived broken, so what are you going to do about it? I never heard back. Since then, I learned that you adjust the dead heads. I took them out, and then I cleaned the slides and polished them, but then I since found out that it's an alignment issue. You just have to, once it warmed up and got warmed up, then I aligned them, and then they moved back and forth, and I did research on Pinside, and they're like, well, the deadheads pop off. You're going to have to re-glue them, and then once you re-glue them with Gorilla Glue, they'll be fine. So the first one, within a week, popped up. I'm like, well, I ordered the big bottle because I'm going to be doing this three more times.
    6:19
    But they never wrote back. So in the meantime, we put a zip tie on there because I don't have a rubber that's that size, but also – And I'm not not going to play it. Right. and I'm also like looking at it it looks like the pop bumper is what clips it I don't know I don't know like so in we never heard back so I just put a zip tie on there to keep the ball out of there and which is fine it not correct but it it working and then uh the deadheads were back in so I put the glass back in and then I wrote them again like hey because I was like okay maybe they off for the week and whatever And then I didn hear back So I wrote them again on Monday And I was like, hey, Slick, you guys never even acknowledged my email. Which, if you have the week off, then there should be an auto-reply saying, We're off. We'll see you. We're back. And we'll answer your thing come this day. Like, Stern, I like Stern a lot. And I'm not usually very critical. but their customer service is for dog shit. It is the worst. It is so bad, like comically bad. They really have to hire a manager that knows how to run a customer service department and get them on like a Zen ticket program, like where it's an automated program that assigns it and then it's there forever and like make it an actual thing because, you know, I'm sure they're dealing with dealers and they're dealing with people. They're dealing with a lot of different people, so I get that. But my piddly email is as important as, hey, my machine fell off a truck to that person. Yeah. No, it didn't affect. We're running. We're going. You know, so I get it's not like that big of a deal, but we still never heard back. And this is a couple of days later. I'm like, all right, so I'm going to call him and be like, what's your problem there? Yeah. You know, and then they'll hang up. But I don't know. It's just one of those weird things where they have a very serious problem there that has to be kind of taken care of at some point. Yeah. Does everybody say this about their – Yeah, yeah. They suck. They're really, really bad. And, you know, and, like, I don't know where it's from. Now, they've changed regimes. You know, Gary's not there, so hey, Gary. Yeah. And it's not like – so, okay, now this is a fundamental corporate problem. Right. You know, with their business model has a problem. They usually fix things. So I do have faith and it's not the end of the world. What was the last thing that happened? And then they like sent it like two days later. Well, yeah, the one, the damn, the broken out of warranty Insider Connect. Oh, yeah. And they hooked us up immediately. That was awesome. Yeah. So it's, I can't say across the board they're bad. No. Just sometimes, it's hit or miss. Sometimes it's going to be a great, so whoever that one guy that helped me, make him the boss. Right. And then he'll teach everyone how to do actual customer service. But long story short, I have a feeling once Elvira gets, like, dialed in, I'm going to do some of those, like, micro adjustments with the shooter lane and the out lane. There's, like, a lot of things that go wrong on this one. This is a very intricate machine. And I think once you dial them in, it'll probably be like the rest of them and just start rolling, you know. I'm not worried about it. I had read it has a massive, Elvira has a massive, like, thread on pin side, and it is a lot of troubleshooting stuff. Oh, good. So that tells you right off the bat, okay, this machine is not just turning on a plane, you know. But it also is a resource for weird stuff coming. Of course, you know, like I would have freaked out when the top of the deadhead popped off. But you already knew it going in. I did, you know, and it was funny because it landed on the flipper, so we didn't even have to take the glass all the way down. I just pulled the glass down a little bit, and I used the flipper to shoot it up in the middle. And my stupid plan actually worked. It did work. It was glorious. You should put that on Pinside. Yeah, right. So, whatever. You know, I'm just so excited. This machine is so fun. And she is such a goofball. Yes. You know, I love it. I do, too. So, you know, hopefully Stern's customer service will figure it. And I'm bitching about, like, a thing that's literally 48 cents. Right. I could order one myself because I'm going to be putting in an order for all this other crap at some point. And I can just do it myself. But it's kind of not the point sometimes. You're like, settle up, man.
    10:38
    So, yeah, I already have a list going of all the things I need for it. I think we started a list over there. Yeah, you didn't. Art blades. Yeah, the art blades. I need those little, I have those silicone things underneath the feet. Do I need to add that to the list? I'm going to need purple ones for that.
    10:55
    It'll go forever. And like the dagger shooter rod, I think that's out there somewhere. Yeah. Whatever. Now, that was a great time. And as always, thank you very much for flipping out. Very professional and right on it, man. You can't say enough good about them. Do you, what else, what else happened? What else is, now we have, now we had.
    11:16
    So I started my new job. Oh, yeah. Which was on, what, the 30th? Yep. So I'm kind of loving it. Yeah, rolling and rolling. yeah I'm there's a lot that I have to learn I feel like I'm starting new because isn't that amazing yeah because I did the same thing and I'm in the same graphics field and I'm like how do I not know any of this right like I've done this for nigh on 150 years right that's a little bit rounding up but not more not much and I've done I've been a graphic person my entire life and I started this new place and I was like how do I not know anything I know how am I freaking out about this right So you're going through what I went through. Yeah, I've been working in a pharmacy since 1990-ish. So I'm starting over because this is drugs that I don't know. It's a whole new thing, but I am loving.
    12:15
    That's awesome. I think I made the right decision. I know you made the right decision. I'm home from work by, I'm home by five every day, no weekends. Yeah, it's all good. So I had the first off. Now what did we do on the first? Well, not the first. How did we celebrate New Year's, I guess is where I'm going. We actually left the house on New Year's Eve and we went to Lumberjack Johnny's. Yeah, they actually, the owner reached out a couple of weeks ago and asked if we wanted to. And I was like, yeah, why not? What the hell? And I couldn't, after saying yes, I immediately panicked because when was the last time I left the house on New Year's? Right. It's been a long time. 1990. I think when you started it. Right. We normally don't go anywhere. We just stay home because. I don't. Yeah. Not a big New Year's celebration. Right. We go to places every now and then, but not much. Right. So this is the first time we've done this in a long time. I was worried about being able to stay up, believe it or not. I know. Me too. That was not a problem. When you're doing stuff, it's easy. You're doing stuff. So Lumberjack Johnny's had a New Year's Eve tournament. So we played in the tournament, hung out with Dave and Nikki. Yeah, that was awesome. That was the best part. Yeah. And our friend Rachel was there and a bunch of the girls from the... The poor man's tribe, Rachel. Yeah. And then a bunch of girls from the ladies flip Yeah And a bunch of annoying people because that the way that goes Yeah I will say you know it was great getting to know Dave a little bit more And Nikki Yeah. I think you know Nikki more. I do, yeah. But we talked with him and hung out with him a little bit at Expo, but that's like at Expo. So, you know, there was times where they were, because he was running the thing, so he was working. Yeah. When you're, that's his business. And also that's the tournament he's helping with or doing. you don't have a whole lot of free time but he hung out and BS'd with me a little bit it was really cool that place is so great I'm always thinking how fortunate we are down in Florida we had a couple places that were just awesome and I think I talked about this last time and now here we have District 82 we have Lumberjack Town both of them even Ready Player 2 those places are you know to have this stuff around is awesome yeah you know so uh i don't know we had a great time i you didn't make finals i made finals yeah i immediately washed out of finals because i that's stupid what's that i had the worst game in the history of games on fish tails fish tails yeah i i forgot how to play pinball i like literally like i i think i i think my score was three it was it was the lowest thing i've ever seen i didn't think i could you could do as badly as I did. Because what kind of tournament was it? It was like a... So, right, the tournament itself was like a... Lost or something? No. This Island Earth? No. Stop saying things. Teenagers from outer space? No.
    15:17
    The finals were... Oh, goodness. Amazing race. Sure. Amazing race. That's all I said, I think. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, like, it took us a really long time to figure out what that meant. I did. I had no concept. I was like, can someone just point and tell me what to do? And then you did that one thing. Oh, the thing that Glenn showed us. Yeah, the stall ball thing. So I was like, I need an adult. Help, I need an adult. So I made it three machines or four machines in, and I was out. So it was like all ten players started on the first machine, and then the player with the lowest score was out of finals. And then everybody moved to the next machine and on down until there were two people left.
    16:05
    It's weird because I do okay. I'm not a top player. I can usually make finals, but that's as far as it goes.
    16:16
    The first time I was in a tournament, I made it further because I didn't know I was too dumb to know I shouldn't have made it. And I went pretty far, actually. But then this one, I was glad to make finals, but I knew I wouldn't go so far. You have to be very obsessive and really dedicated to be good. Good enough to do top one or two. You have to know the rules. You know who is going to win. Like I always say, I can walk up to a machine and sometimes smash it, but that's few and far between. You know, I have a decent ball or two, and I can hold my own usually, but I'm not a competitive player, you know. So it was okay just to go there and have a fun time, you know. Yeah, so, I mean, they had good food, a lot of fun. I didn't drink anything. I drank water. You had a couple beers, but we'll talk about that. Yep, we'll talk about those in my beer journey review. Everyone's favorite segment. But we did learn what a duck race is, so that was fun. We did a digital duck race. oh I was hoping to win because they gave away was it Frankenstein pinball machine which is an amazing story as to why they were giving it away that was awesome do you think we can tell it or eh I guess we can tell it we'll tell the story because everyone's been in this situation so this machine was put up for sale we won't say who was selling it or whatever but it was put up for sale and it was that the person was asking market marketplace value.
    17:50
    When you wheel and deal, you know what things are worth and you know what they're honestly worth. And this person, I guess, kept on low-balling and saying, I'll only give you $1,000. I'm not going to go above $1,000. It's all it's worth. And so finally the person at the same time replied, I'll give it away before I'll sell it to you for $1,000. And then they never got together on it. So almost to spite him, he gave it away and then made sure it was very public that this machine was being given away. It just made me laugh because I was like, that was awesome. It was so awesome. How many times? There was that one guy who had like some kind of a Barracuda or a 70 Cuda, and he put it into a thresher. He destroyed it. A car? Yep. The car. Oh, my goodness. He couldn't take it anymore. I always go to the 5678s when you say Barracuda now. No, but it was like, yeah, he couldn't take it. dealing with humans and the nonsense. And he just banished the car from the existence. And I say, good on you. So we didn't win the pinball machine. We didn't win anything, which that's okay, though. I mean, we had a fun time. We did. It was great. It was a really awesome time. You know, I got closure on the UPS story. Nay, yeah.
    19:05
    Awesome. And then he did also, he replied to emails for your segment, too. So that's awesome. I guess the only other thing we should quickly touch on is, of course, the biggest news is Stern released the Dungeons and Dragons. Yes. Eye of the Tyranny? No, Tyrant of Eye? I forget what the name of it is because I don't know or play. I don't know anything about D&D. I know a little bit about D&D. I have no. I have zero. Yeah. I have no nothing. It's really popular. I was surprised. I was bracing for the wave of nerd, you know, and that never hit. It was actually very well received. That's good. Yeah. Have you ever, did you know anybody that played Dungeons and Dragons? My sister and her friends did, I think. Okay. Or some semblance of that. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think there's all different kinds.
    20:02
    I don't know. Not really. I think my cousins used to play. Yeah. I think so. I don't know. It was just a... I have to watch the thing because I heard it's a really beautiful machine. It looks really nice. So we'll do a deeper thoughts on it next time. So you're not a D&D head? I have no idea. Okay. You have no idea if you are or you have no idea what it is? Well, I have no idea what it is. So I don't know if I would be. We going to go ahead and just put you down the no column No column Okay But that doesn mean it isn a good machine Right It might be an awesome machine Yeah We comment on that further Anything else before we drop in the music to cue everyone to listen I don't think so. Okay, we'll be right back. Craft Brew Sally Gonna have to put your journal down Craft Brew Sally time You've been to all the breweries around You've been running all over the town Tell me what to drink until I fall on the ground Yeah That's right, people.
    21:18
    And just like that, we're back. What do you got for us, Crafter Sally? All right. So at Lumberjack Johnny's, I had three beverages. I had the Wisconsinitis.
    21:31
    Wisconsinitis. Wisconsinitis, brewed by Three Sheeps Brewing Company, and it was a cream ale. You've had Three Sheeps before. I've had Three Sheeps before. I think they might be the one that I like that hazy IPA from. Do you like the cream ale? It was very good, yeah. Okay. I haven't drank a lot of cream ale, so I'm going to have to start looking for cream ales. Yeah, something tells me that they're, I can't remember, it sounds like I would like them. Yeah. You know.
    22:04
    And then I had Drop Top Sundrop by Stubborn Brothers, which was really good. And that one, I think they make it in a couple different flavors. I think they make the sundrop, I think they have a cherry, a blackberry there might be one other flavor nice is that a beer? it is, it's like a kind of like a shandy oh right right right low alcohol you weren't slurring your words right? no not at all and they also had good pizza there though they did and then the other one I had was a gadget by Urban Artifacts and that was the sour fruited. It had blackberry, raspberry, and vanilla bean. Oh, nice. It was really good. That sounds exotic. It was very exotic. Wow. And then, so all three of them you thought were real good? Yeah, I did like them all. That Urban Artifacts, I think I've had some of them before. I think they may have had an apricot one that was really tasty also. And we also got an email. Yes, we got an email. You going to review that? Yes. So we got an email from Dave, and he said that his favorite holiday beer is Boulevard Brewing Company's Tiramisu Stout. Wow. That sounds interesting. He said it's delicious barrel-aged brew with hints of coffee. Mmm. Yes. I think my mom would like that one. Yes, I think so, too. I think we've got to find some Tiramisu for my mom. booze he also wrote that see not everyone's lazy yeah I think I when you said you wanted people to write it I looked at you like you were nuts and I was like no one's gonna write it everyone is so lazy that's sad you should also you can also write in and just tell us beers that we should try or yeah play pinball machine chew we should or what flavored water I should drink right next new year's right yeah because I had lemon water for a while. You did. It was good. So, I guess anything else we good? No, I think that's it. I would say, you know, we don't do this pandering a lot, but if you do like the show and you're listening to this and you have time, maybe vote for us for the Twippy. I felt like a tool voting for myself, but I didn't. You know what I mean? I was like, do I want to be that guy? And I was like, well, I know we have two votes, so, you know.
    24:41
    Also, the home brews and custom we got of course Saw our buddy Glenn makes sure you're representing Saw because that was a badass machine yes it was I enjoyed it very much and then the greatest showman I was surprised that we were in there to be honest with you I didn't know we were until I went to vote for Saw you're like hey wait I know I think the people that win are the ones that really put it out there You should vote for us, vote for us, vote for us, vote for us. Right. I thought about putting it out there, but then I was like, hmm. I know. I don't really seek out this kind of. Yeah. I don't want to be targeted because, oh, my God, he's such a shill for his own thing. It doesn't matter. I do. This will probably be something for a different show.
    25:36
    I have all these shows and all this content out there. I kind of want to work with somebody and get this under one umbrella. Yeah. And like have them all that they are actually feeding to all these different places. And you know what I mean? Like I have a lot of content. Tens of thousands of hours. People might think I'm nuts or I'm joking, but I'm not joking. He's not joking at all. I have so many thousands and thousands of different shows out there. I'm like, I should really have them all cohesively out there, you know. Right. I thought, like, the local morning show, radio morning show, had somebody that retired. And I was like, are you going to apply for that? Because I thought he should because he talks on air all the time. Yeah. But they wouldn't even probably acknowledge me as a human. They'd be like, oh, where's your on-air content? I'd be like, well, I have 100 million hours behind a microphone. They'd be like, well, that doesn't mean anything. so you never know though but then I was like no they don't get paid enough and the slings and arrows when you're replacing somebody famous no thanks alright I think that's going to do it this is a long show and we got to go eat some burritos got anything else crap crew? visit projectpinball.org you know why you all know why and if you haven't you should alright that's going to do it thanks for listening thanks for voting for us Yes, thank you. At this pace, maybe by 2035, we will have enough votes to be considered for the ballot. No, we're on the ballot. Eh, doesn't matter. Never mind my ignorance and nonsense. That's all I know. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.
    27:17
    That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.