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Episode 148 – Let’s Get Stupid Again

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jul 9, 2020
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt #148: Pinnberg canceled; Beavis/Butt-Head pitch to Stern; Ron acquires Alien Star.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss Pinnberg's cancellation due to COVID-19, celebrate the Beavis and Butt-Head revival and pitch pinball manufacturers (especially Stern) on licensing it, review recent pinball acquisitions including Ron's new Gottlieb Alien Star, share visitor stories from the Silver Ball Saloon, and engage in humorous tangents about Action Park and pinball trivia.

Key Claims

  • Pinnberg was canceled due to COVID-19

    high confidence · Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss at opening; confirmed as fact in conversation

  • Beavis and Butt-Head is returning for two seasons on Comedy Central with Mike Judge in full control

    high confidence · Ron states this as recent news; described as piece of news from last week that 'salvaged the year'

  • Family Guy pinball machine features a Confederate flag in the 'Good Old Boys' mode background

    high confidence · Ron discovered this by watching Carl D'Angelo's stream; both Ron and Bruce own the game and were unaware of this detail

  • First-run Family Guy pinball used Pizzo switches; second-run (2008) used regular leaf switches

    high confidence · Ron drops this knowledge on stream; Bruce confirms accuracy

  • Ron acquired an Alien Star (Gottlieb) as his first Gottlieb pinball machine

    high confidence · Ron announces acquisition; game came from France with French-language playfield text; received from Ryan

  • Alien Star arrived with incorrect 28.5-inch legs instead of standard 27-inch

    high confidence · Ron discovered during setup; sourced replacement 27-inch legs from spare parts

  • Alien Star had blown transformer fuses due to incorrect voltage conversion (250V to 115V but fuses not updated)

    high confidence · Ron diagnosed and repaired; notes the game came from France and had improper conversion

  • Mike Judge performs all voice work for Beavis and Butt-Head characters, eliminating need for multiple voice actors

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce emphasize this as key reason to license the property to pinball manufacturers

Notable Quotes

  • “Pinball manufacturers, I'm talking to you, Stern, specifically, Beavis and Butthead, you guys need to make it happen. I want all our listeners, email Jody Dankenberg at Stern Pinball and demand Beavis and Butthead.”

    Ron Hallett @ Early in episode — Explicit licensing pitch to Stern with call-to-action for listeners; demonstrates passionate fan advocacy for specific IP in pinball

  • “It seemed like the time was right to get stupid again.”

    Mike Judge (quoted by Ron) @ Mid-episode — Official statement from Beavis and Butt-Head creator about revival; Ron describes it as 'beautiful' and noteworthy phrasing

  • “You have the nostalgia. All the people who watched it are all my age. They all have money. They will buy an LE site on scene, but now it's also on Comedy Central as a current show. This is the opportunity. Just dollar signs galore.”

    Ron Hallett @ Mid-episode — Market analysis of licensing opportunity; dual appeal to aging nostalgia audience and new current viewers

  • “My first Gottlieb, Bruce. I did it.”

    Ron Hallett @ Late in episode — Personal milestone announcement; Alien Star acquisition marks first Gottlieb game in Ron's collection

  • “I had to make room for another game, a new game. Yeah. Wow, you sound so excited for me. I'm upset about this one.”

    Bruce Nightingale (responding to Ron) @ Late in episode — Playful tension; Bruce unhappy Ron acquired Alien Star before Bruce could, despite Bruce having owned one previously

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonJody DankenbergpersonMike JudgepersonKate MartinpersonCarl D'AngelopersonZach SharpepersonRyanperson

Signals

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Beavis and Butt-Head revival on Comedy Central creates licensing window; Ron explicitly pitches Stern and Jersey Jack to acquire IP for pinball game

    high · Ron's direct call to action: 'Pinball manufacturers, I'm talking to you, Stern, specifically, Beavis and Butthead, you guys need to make it happen' and email campaign to Jody Dankenberg

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community enthusiasm for Beavis and Butt-Head return generating organic pinball licensing speculation

    medium · Ron states the revival news 'salvaged the year' and opens episode with extended discussion of licensing opportunity

  • ?

    product_launch: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball shipping to LE customers; initial play reports positive on new diverter mechanism

    high · Ron notes LEs arriving, streams showing smooth diverter operation, machine available at World Famous Rock Fantasy venue

  • ?

    product_concern: Alien Star (Gottlieb) arrived from France with multiple critical issues: wrong leg height, blown transformer fuses, missing parts, missing insert panel mounting hardware

    high · Detailed repair log: 28.5-inch vs 27-inch legs, wrong voltage fuses, pop bumper coil failure, EOS switch screws missing, insert panel sleeve/allen screw missing, back glass lock missing

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Ron demonstrates effective parts harvesting strategy from non-working machines; sources EOS switch screws from Nine-Ball playfield, finds standoffs from spare parts boxes

    high · Ron's advice: 'Never throw out anything. Never. Because when I was breaking down the Quicksilver, I realized it's missing one of the standoffs... I kept the old standoffs... went my box of crap, and there we had two standoffs'

Transcript

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0:00
And this class is the computer that will act as Highland High School's gateway to the information superhighway. Now, I know that all of you will use this responsibly, but the school board is worried that some of you will be tempted to access adult services, some of which do contain pornographic images. That's why the faculty will be taking strict measures against anyone who abuses the computer. Okay? Any questions? Eh, well, uh, how do we get porn?
0:44
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Getting ready for Pinnberg, baby, ready for Pinnberg. I cannot wait for these games. Bruce?
0:59
What? I got my room still. I got to leave Wednesday night. I got to get out of the bar real early. So probably like four or five o'clock. I got to leave. Bruce. What?
1:09
It's not happening. What? Yeah, it was canceled. COVID and all. What in the world would cancel Pinnberg? I said COVID. Oh, fuck that thing. COVID-19. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah. Wow, way to bring the podcast down. This is episode 148.
1:36
Other than it being canceled, how was your 4th of July? It was okay. I drank. Oh, that's unlike you. That is unlike me, but I drank, and I went to bed at 8 o'clock, and I woke up at 9 o'clock the next day. Ah. So what does that tell you? That you actually got sleep. I got a lot of sleep. So there should be no yawning on this podcast. There will be because I'm still a little cloudy-headed, but I have my cup of Joe next to me. You're a little cloudy-headed. Yes, I is. I have a question. I have an answer. Why do you keep having me record these podcasts? We were supposed to be less often. It's like two weeks and we're back again. It's almost like we're weekly again. What are you doing? We have a lot of stuff.
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  • ?

    product_strategy: Ron acquiring Alien Star triggers Bruce's FOMO despite Bruce having owned one previously; highlights collector dynamics around rare/grail machines

    medium · Bruce's reaction: 'I'm upset about this one. A game that I've said is one of my grill games forever' and 'You want it back. See, you've had it. I've never had it'

  • ?

    community_signal: Ryan's generosity in providing Alien Star to Ron reframes earlier story of Ron being 'mean' to Ryan about Star Trek machine; community perception shift from heel to baby face

    medium · Ron: 'You remember my story about poor Ryan getting screwed out of Star Trek? Yeah, you were really mean to him... Guess who's the one who got me this game? Ryan. So now I'm a total heel'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinnberg tournament canceled due to COVID-19; significant impact on planned weekend activities for podcast hosts

    high · Opening exchange: Bruce planned to leave bar at 4-5am Wednesday for event; cancellation described as major downer

  • ?

    venue_signal: Silver Ball Saloon maintaining active pinball operations and attracting players; recent extended visit (7 hours until 1:30am) despite mid-week timing shows venue viability

    medium · Kate Martin and visiting player spent 7 hours on Wednesday; played multiple games; Ron busy with cooking/bar operations until 10pm, then joined players

  • ?

    design_innovation: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles features notably smooth diverter compared to Shadow machine; potential new standard for diverter mechanism quality

    medium · Ron: 'the diverter thing does look pretty cool. Very smooth, too, the way it turns. It's not like the shadow kind of herky and jerky'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Ron adjusting Stargazer flipper height lower than standard by pulling alignment pins; creates more difficult/wild ball control, surprising to visiting players accustomed to higher flipper positions

    medium · Visiting player 'even liked what I did to the flippers on Stargazer... very impressed that I pulled the pins... makes the ball wild when you try to backflip'

    • 2:21
    Right? Would you rather do it in three weeks and have a ton of stuff where it's three hours long? Why do you care? You don't have to edit shit. I've got to still talk. Oh, you've still got to talk. Oh, my vocal cords get weak. All of our fans out there are just so... Yeah.
    2:37
    I'd rather do it this weekend because I'm off next week and the week after. And the last thing I feel like doing during that time off is editing a freaking podcast. I agree.
    2:48
    And, yes, we have an action-packed list here. So let's see. I'll let you start. Where do you want to start, Bruce? In the beginning. Good always overcame evil.
    2:59
    What? Now, in the beginning, that would be the prequels, you see, with Jar Jar Binks and stuff. So you don't want to start in the beginning. You're better off starting in the middle. Ah.
    3:09
    Well, I'll start then. 2020 has sucked. We know this. Yes, we do. This has been definitely the worst year that I can remember living through myself. Yeah. However, there was a piece of news, if you will, that came out. Piece of news. Last week that has salvaged the year for me. Okay. What was that? Beavis and Butthead coming back. Oh, yes. Yeah. They're coming back for two years. Two seasons on Comedy Central, which Comedy Central and MTV, they're all owned by the same entity. Yes, they are. But the key is Mike Judge, full control, on board. That's all I needed to hear.
    3:51
    As long as Mike Judge is in charge, it will not get fucked up. It will not. I hope not. But you know what this means.
    3:58
    Pinball manufacturers, I'm talking to you, Stern, specifically, Beavis and Butthead, you guys need to make it happen. I want all our listeners, email Jody Dankenberg at Stern Pinball and demand Beavis and Butthead. It's perfect at this point. It is. You have the nostalgia. All the people who watched it are all my age. They all have money. They will buy an LE site on scene, but now it's also on Comedy Central as a current show. This is the opportunity.
    4:29
    Just dollar signs galore. Plus, you only have to hire one guy to do all the voices. Mike Judge, he does them all. You don't have to worry about 30 zillion different voice actors. You get Mike Judge, you get Beavis, you get Buzzhead, you get Buzzcut, Van Driesen, McVicker. You get everybody. hey, you need to make this happen.
    4:51
    You knew that had to be the first thing I mentioned. I mean, all our episodes start with Beavis and Butta. They do. It's my favorite, favorite comedy show of all time. It is. I know it is. Me, I liked it when I was a kid. I never saw the last season because of... What? Last season? Do we have seasons? Yes, you did.
    5:12
    How's it going? Comedy Central. I don't know where that's going to go. they did, they said things like re-imagining. I don't know exactly what they're doing with it, but as long as they're walking around being stupid, that's all we need. That's all we need. We're good. Oh, Mr. Anderson better be there somewhere. I forgot that. Yes, Mr. He does Mr. Anderson's voice too. He does. Yeah, boy, better be on the damn show. We're going to be pretty damn pissed. You know what I'm saying? No, it's the same.
    5:41
    Oh, but that's a cool thing for all in the world. We need a little comedy and little humor and little. Well, what, what did, I want to quote the Messiah himself, Mike Judge, who it's been pointed out to me that they showed like a recent picture of him. He looks like you without the goatee. I know. I'm looking at him. It's like, holy shit. Maybe I can go to his place to like, you know, run in there and get some, you know, some money.
    6:12
    What, you think he's rich? I mean, he doesn't even know. He's probably rich. I hate to say it, but he is rich. but he doesn't own the rights to be using butthead. So Mike Judge, he states, it seemed like the time was right to get stupid again. That says it all right there. That's a beautiful line.
    6:32
    See, I wish I could come up with something that good. But yeah, so they're back. Come on, pinball manufacturer, someone ate well.
    6:41
    Mostly Stern, maybe Jersey Jack. I don't know if they would do it, but being that they're doing Guns N' Roses, maybe they're going to get a little raunchier. I don't know. You would think. But I really don't want it to be a wide body, which means that Lawler would have to do it, and he wouldn't want to do it. He didn't want to do Family Guy. I know he didn't. It's too raunchy humor for him. So I don't know.
    7:05
    So we have another Dr. John sent us another trivia game that we're going to be playing this week. That's cool. Yeah, I loved editing the previous one, splicing the actual clip in. It sounded great. Yeah, it sounded great. That took like four hours to do. That was a pain in the ass. It was funny listening to it, seeing how I just completely changed how the points worked as we were playing the game. That was kind of funny. We just completely forgot how the game was played. And going back through it, I actually shorted myself points. Oh, you did? Okay. So? So you would have lost by less is what you're saying? No, we were actually tied. Oh, sure we were. Sure we were, Bruce. Yeah. Okay. That's the way it is. Yeah, okay. By the way, no one knows what K-turn means.
    7:56
    Well, people are stupid. We literally had posts on our Facebook like, K-what? What? What is that? My father texted me. What's K-turn? I've never heard that.
    8:05
    Well, I think it's a New Jersey thing. It's a New Jersey thing, I think. Well, New York, New Jersey. Okay. My wife knew exactly when she heard it. She's like, okay, turn. It's easy. Yeah. Where's she from? New York, actually. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay.
    8:22
    So there's a K-turn, yes. We call it a three-point turn here in upstate New York. Kids these days. Damn you, kids. Kids? Kids.
    8:32
    I had a note right at the top of my list here. This says, Turtles looks good. Mm, it does look good. When are you buying it? I really want to play Turtles. You can go down to World Famous, I heard. The World Famous Rock Fantasy has one now, yes. Yes, they do. I will probably be doing that this upcoming week. Until I go further west to even more beautiful upstate New York. Yes, we will be enjoying your company.
    9:00
    And you will be enjoying my present, my surprise. I know. I cannot wait. I'm kind of like in awe a little bit. You're in awe. Wait a minute. How can you be in awe? In awe would be you saw it and were in awe. You are in anticipation. Getting a gift from you is going to be an awe-inspiring activity. Awe-inspiring? Oh, wow. So I never give you gifts. Damn. Okay, when was the last gift you gave me? When is the last gift I gave you? I gave you the empty box of the cookies that Mrs. Penn made for both of us. Yeah, that was the last gift. I think that was the last gift. I think this meant for us. Actually, it might have been two boxes, but I just ate all yours. I know. How did that feel? It felt great. They were great cookies, man. Exactly so. I was helping you out. I was keeping your weight down. Yeah, that's got to be it. Yeah. Thanks, man. Yep, it was all for you. I care about you, man. Gee, thanks. I knew. Aren't you allergic to chocolate or something? I wanted to make sure you didn't have reactions. Oh, God. I was testing. I was like, what was it, the old medieval days? They tested the food before the king would eat it. That's got to be it. I was testing it for you, the king, but then I just kept testing. I had to make sure.
    10:06
    Yeah, thanks. Okay. Good answer. Not. Turtles looks good. It does. Some people started getting their LEs, so I've seen some streams of that. And that diverter thing does look pretty cool. Very smooth, too, the way it turns. It's not like the shadow kind of herky and jerky. It definitely seems to turn a little smoother. I agree. Time will tell if it breaks or not, though. Yeah, that's the big timer teller. Because I'm wondering, if you get that pizza mode where you've got to hit the button, bash the button to get the pizza, Does the thing like turn back and forth while you're doing that? I don't know. That'd be interesting. It's just going back and forth.
    10:44
    You had a visitor. I did. I had two visitors. Why don't you go into that? Who visited the world-famous Silver Ball Saloon? Where is that again if I wanted to visit? That is at 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Oh, okay. And they found it easily, I think, by you always making me bring up the address. And there's ample parking? There's very ample parking. Oh, I love ample parking because I hate when there's no parking. So there's plenty of parking.
    11:12
    So the one came. He didn't come alone, though. He did not come alone. He came with a beautiful sidekick who I actually have known longer than the one, which is Kate Martin, who is one of the better women players that I know personally. I do not know a lot of the other women players, but she is a very good player. And she unfortunately was up here for another reason, but they were driving back through, and they stopped in, and they were there for about seven hours.
    11:46
    How late were they there? 1.30 in the morning. Damn. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Was this on a Friday? A Wednesday. Wow. Okay. Wednesday.
    11:59
    Midweek fun. Midweek a lot of fun. But they got to play some games, including the one has never played Gamatron. Really? Really. That's hard to believe. And he enjoyed it, of course. He said it was a lot better than Flight 2000 because it was a lot, shots were a lot easier and a lot less, you know, floaty.
    12:22
    And they played a ton of Stargazer. And, of course, Kate is on the list to buy my Stargazer. everyone loves the list that they can get on to try to buy my did you promote um level zero at all i did i asked i told them you can stop that but they're going they were actually going to uh the world famous rock fantasy they said they were going to try to stop that but they could have stopped by the world famous level zero on the way to the world famous rock fantasy that's a little out of the way that's a z that's a z because you're going 90 then you go all the way down 88 and then you go down 70 kate could have played even a better stargazer yeah i would agree the greatest stargazer ever according to scott our own scott told him who was from it was from duncan and when i said that he's like oh yeah that would be a nice one and yeah because he Yeah, Keith's played that one. So he could have played the same Stargazer he's played before. Amazing. Oh, well. I never get anyone here.
    13:29
    I love the Pins, Mrs. and Dr. Pin. They're the only ones who ever showed up. No one else shows up. No one else stops by. Hello.
    13:40
    Well, other than you. Of course you do. And Zach. Well, yeah, where does Zach stay? at his parents' house, which is like 40 minutes west. I mean, he's right here anyway. Come on. Stop. And you come up for a stomp.
    13:58
    I mean, I've invited countless people here, and no one ever shows up, unless there's a tournament. And then they all ask me what the directions to my house are, even though almost every one of them has been to my house before for a tournament, which I always find humorous. Mm-hmm. Sorry. I'm just venting. I see that. So they were there at 1.30 in the morning. Yes. And they liked Gamitron and Stargazer. Yep, and a lot of my regulars were over.
    14:26
    Zach was there and a couple others, Jared and Brian, and the Iron Maiden was signed. I got an autograph from the one on the Iron Maiden. Did he, like, put secret flipper codes in to give himself points? No, but he did put a flipper code on Ghostbusters while we were playing Harlem, and Keith ran over and turned it off.
    14:50
    What was the flipper code? What did he do? Just the whole credits. Oh. Yeah, just like, really? While I'm playing? And ran over and snapped the switch. What, was it play the music or something while it does the credits? It plays music and it does the credits all and strolls down. Okay.
    15:09
    Hmm, I wonder what that code is. I don't know, but it was funny. He just did it real fast. That's what I did. I was like, really? But it was great. I had a great time with him. I was working. We were actually busy that night, so I was cooking until about 10, and then I was able to get upstairs around 1130, and everyone had a great time. Keith and Kate are really a great couple and great personalities. And this is – it was actually – it felt like a normal day.
    15:41
    And what I mean by normal day is like it felt like everything outside the world was just outside, and we were just hanging out like normal previous COVID day and enjoying pinball and having a great time. Aw. It really did. I was like, wow. It felt really good. Did you win? Did you beat them? No. Didn't beat any of them once. I actually was so busy I sucked. Okay. And the one even liked what I did to the flippers on Stargazer. What did you do to the flippers on Stargazer? They're still low.
    16:16
    You mean where they should be? Yeah, well, they should be, but people are not used to it. So wait a minute. They're sitting, I mean, there's alignment pins. He was actually very impressed that I pulled the pins.
    16:28
    Oh, so you pulled the pins that made them even lower? Yes. Oh, that is, what are you doing? You want to point them to hell? No, but guess what? You can't roll. You can't. It makes the ball wild when you try to backflip. You can still do it, but it makes it more uncontrollable.
    16:46
    Let's see. What else do I have? I have a quick trivia thing for you. Ooh. Yes. And this is related to the fact that we both did some trivia, which we can't really talk about until it airs. Yeah. But we were in the final round Pinberg trivia thingy. Yes, it was great to be on your show. Thank you guys again for including us. So what game are you looking forward to playing the most? At Silver Bowl? No, at Pinberg. Oh, at Pinberg? That's what we're doing this weekend.
    17:17
    Bruce, we already went through this at the beginning of the show. No, no, no, no, no, no. I have the great idea now. Oh, what's your great idea?
    17:24
    Pinberg West. Well, no, actually, it'd be Pinberg East. Well, I have to think about where the state is. Wait.
    17:33
    Pinberg, what was it? Northeast. Yes. This weekend. Be there or be square. Social distance. Put your masks on. Yep. Oh, wait a minute. You got me distracted here. Oh, yeah, trivia. I was going to give a trivia. Here's a trivia. Here's a trivia for all us, all you pinheads out there. And it's slightly political, but please forgive me. Name the Stern game, meaning New Stern, so like Striker Extreme and after, that features a Confederate flag. Oh, I got this easy.
    18:14
    Big Buck Hunter. No. What? No. They got hillbillies on there and everything. I'm surprised you didn't pick the other one that everyone says. Oh, NASCAR. Yeah. Everyone I asked it to, that was like the first. Oh, NASCAR. Like, no. I always think of Big Buck Hunter because of the, yeet, I ate all the. I'll give you the ultimate clue.
    18:35
    Carl D'Angelo of IE Pinball is trying to get to the wizard mode in it right now. Oh, a little sperm in your soup? Yes, he's trying to get to spermative. Wow.
    18:48
    That's right, Peter. I always have a little sperm in my soup. Oh! No, no, no. The answer is Family Guy. I know. I didn't even know that. I was watching Carl's stream, you know, and he's got that DMD extender thing, you know, so the DMD is like really clear and you can see everything on it. And he gets into that, the good old boys mode, you know, the one where they're in the deep south. And in the background for the mode is actually the Confederate flag.
    19:16
    Amazing, huh? Totally forgot about that. And I own the game. Yeah, me too. Yeah. So, yeah. Little trivia for you there. I even dropped some knowledge on the stream. I'll have you know. Ooh! Because it's Stewie Mini Playfield. If you remember, the first run, Family Guys had a specific kind of switch they used. I think they only used it on that. Yeah, a Pizzo switch. Pizzo, yeah, you're right. That's what it was called. Thank God you remember something. I mean, good job. What?
    19:48
    Yeah, a Pizzo switch. And they used that for the first run. And then the second run in 2008, which was the one I had, They just use the regular leaf switches. Yeah, I had the PCO. Yeah. So I dropped that little bit of knowledge in the chat. Feeling good? Just saying. Dropping knowledge, Bruce, just like I do on my other podcast, Silver Ball Chronicles. Which you were wrong on a lot of things. Me and Zach are actually going to make a nice long letter. Oh, yeah. Okay.
    20:18
    Okay. We have to listen to it together, though. But you were wrong about. What was I wrong about? About System 17s. System 17s? It was System 1. Oh. You went over the history of all the systems. And you went over the first generation of Bally, which was Dash 17. Yeah, I didn't know what it was called. I just called it the Bally system. Which is Dash 17. You said that you were not able to change anything with the buttons. The first game that was able to do that was a Williams system. No, you didn't say that. Yes, you did. I said it had dip switches. Yes. Well, yes, yes. You can change settings with the buttons. Yes. Very limited amounts of settings. Yeah, you can change it with valleys, too. But Williams, they're all, well, after the first couple of them, they're pretty much all. Yes. And I said that. I said that on the podcast. I don't believe we're arguing about the other podcast on this podcast. Yes, we are. Don't you ever try to correct me. I very easily. Yeah, we'll see if that letter comes in. Well, the problem is me and Zach have to get together and listen to one fully, and then we get to stop and pause and go. Yeah, yeah, okay. And look at each other and go, wrong, right, wrong. Okay. We were actually complaining, saying we should be driving to Syracuse or even to your house or his house or road trip and just listen to one or two episodes and go, no, yes, and have a big, long notepad. Okay.
    21:47
    Well, you know, Zach, it probably excites him just correcting me. It does. Or correcting anyone, really. It does. All right.
    21:57
    Let's check that. I'm checking off. See, on my list, I have an entry that says, Bruce is a dick, and I always check that off at the point where Bruce is a dick, which is right now. There we go. Check that off. Done. There you go. And guess what? I'm reading a book today. You're reading a book? Yep. How to Be a Dick? Actually, no, you wrote that one. So what? Scott's a given. Yeah? What are you reading? You're reading Vivid Video, The Inside Story. Nope, Action Park. Wild times. Oh, Jesus. Fast times, wild rides, and the untold story of America's most dangerous amusement park. Why is it untold? I've heard it told 30 zillion times. It's a place in New Jersey where everyone was fucking stoned and high, and all the kids that ran the rides didn't give a fuck, and they were all unsafe, and people got hurt all the time. I worked there. Yep.
    22:47
    Need I say more? It was actually fun. I'm sure it was. It's like, oh, you're going to fall off this thing and scrape up your ass? Cool. I never did. I was actually, and I was one of the faster ones. You had to actually slow down a little bit going into a turn. Go figure.
    23:05
    And there was actually better carts. There was different colored carts. Yeah, this is the amusement park where they would, like, whatever safety precautions, they would just remove them immediately. No, these were called, these were for employees only. You had to. Ooh, employees only. Yes. But like I said, probably all the other employees were high. That's why you beat them.
    23:25
    No, no, not all of them. Not all of them. Not all. The best is when you caught up to somebody who was slow. You just slam them into the back of a car.
    23:34
    That's actually one of my favorite things to do in bumper cars. Someone gets stuck. You just plow into the back of a full speed, and you see their head jerk back. And then they turn around and look at you because they're pissed. And then right as they're about to hit you, they turn the power off, and the ride's over. And you're like, not that that's ever happened. I'm just saying. No, never, never, never. The best was when me and my dad would be in there because we would just, we would either do teams. We would team up and just start plowing into people, like double team them. Or then I would like just turn on them and go after him. That's funny.
    24:09
    The problem is I'd be about to plow into them and do a 360. So I couldn't. And we'd do a head on and make a loud sound and get yelled at. It was great. so I'm going to be reading that this week and see what is right or wrong on that oh okay so are you going to send them a letter oh yeah I've already found one mistake in seven pages in yes I've found mistakes in a lot of material I think you're over-grammatizing stuff that's why I went to an eye doctor once and he had his own book that he wrote so he had it in the waiting room and I read it and it had some kind of misspelling or screw up in the first two or three pages which I alerted him to oh of course you did of course I did sorry of course you did that was my dick moment yes of course and his response was like yeah we had like three different levels of proofreading and it still got through
    25:02
    Nice. So, yeah. So we have finally figured out how much you owe me, right? Yep. I will be bringing the cash, so the Quicksilver will be all mine. Excellent. But you know what? The Quicksilver right now, it's actually upstairs, folded up. I had to make room for something. Well, it's selling. No, it's not selling. It's not selling. I had to make room for another game. Don't forget to email Ron at slamtillpodcast at gmail.com or silverballchronicles at gmail.com to buy his Quicksilver. Don't send it to the second one.
    25:41
    No, no, Quicksilver's not going anywhere. It's going to have an NOS play field in it eventually, and it's going to be great. Eventually it will. It's going to be great. Oh, I learned a little tip here. Never throw out anything. Never. Because when I was breaking down the Quicksilver, I realized it's missing one of the standoffs for the rectifier board, and one of the other ones was broken. And I know in replacing some other rectifier boards I have, they come with new standoffs, but I always kept the old standoffs. So I went my box of crap, and there we had two standoffs. Put them in. There you go. Keep all your parts, folks. You never know when you will need the part. Totally agree with you on that one. But, yes, it's upstairs because I had to make room for another game, a new game. Yeah.
    26:29
    Wow, you sound so excited for me. I'm upset about this one. A game that I've said is one of my grill games forever, but you're still upset. Which you've owned once and I've never owned, and you're still upset with me. Yes, I am. What does that say about you? I want this game. Dick. I've never had this game. I know, but I want it back. You want it back. See, you've had it. I've never had it, but you still wanted it before me. And now it's in Canada, so it's actually out of the country. Oh, man. It's a Canadian game. Yes, it is. This actually came from France. Ooh la la. Yeah, re-import. So all the text inside, it's all in French. Pretty funny. Like some of the names for eject, eject holes, like eject something. And it's eject, but it looks French.
    27:18
    Okay. You know what I mean? So, yes. And I don't know how to say this. You remember my story about poor Ryan getting screwed out of Star Trek? Yeah, you were really mean to him. Yeah, I was really mean to him. Guess who's the one who got me this game?
    27:35
    Ryan. So now I'm a total heel. He's like the biggest baby face ever. He's like Ricky Steamboat levels of baby face right there. He can't turn heel ever.
    27:47
    The game in question is my first Gottlieb, Bruce. I did it. Oh, my God. You did it. Alien Star. Nice.
    27:58
    Yeah, I want one. Well, who doesn't? I know. It's awesome. It's a great game. Mine was really rough, though. My whole middle section was wood. Yeah, this has wear by the alien targets and at the top, which they all have wear up there. But let's see. What have I done so far with it? I was talking with Ryan about pinball and pro wrestling for like two hours before I left. That was cool. So I brought it back, set it up, and the first thing I'm looking at, I'm like, wait a minute. This looks too high. wrong legs is 28 and a half inch legs instead of the 27 but then i'm thinking to myself you know i think i have 27 inch legs that i got off of some other game that had wrong legs that was really short i think it was the um it might have been the big game again or one of them came with 27 inch legs where the game was sitting way low so sure enough like there they are put them on perfect like okay first problem solved then i turn the game on and nothing happens oh and i remember i remembered from zax that you have to have the coin door closed because that's a stupid cut off like this kills the like a like an rk game yeah i hate that so nope it's dead so it's like oh let's look at fuses one of the not the line fuse but the other main fuse on the um transformer panel that was blown and they were wrong because it was it was well it was France French game so it had been converted from 250 to 115 but they never changed the fuses because it says not that it has the text right on there that tells you 250 use this fuse 115 use this fuse 230 it should be 230 yeah okay either way 230 through 240 that's what it usually is either way Bruce it still had the fuse for the like they I just love that you would know you would have the knowledge to fix that part but then not bother changing the fuse, unless you just didn't have the fuse. I probably didn't have the fuse. The one was blown. The line fuse was wrong. Replace both of those, and it boots up. Like, okay, cool. And it had one of the pop bumpers. This I knew about it ahead of time. One of the pop bumpers fried. So either the coil fried and blew, because they have fuses for each solenoid, which is pretty neat.
    30:26
    But what they did is they had taken the mech apart. So it came in a baggie with the game. But when they took the mech off, the screws that hold it on weren't in the bag. And one of them was at the bottom of the cabinet, and I couldn't find the other two. So I had to get some screws together. Because I want to at least put the mech together, because the fuse is blown, so I don't care. I don't want the coil just hanging there. So I had to find that. Then the EOS switches on the flippers were missing. They're mounted with two screws. Each of them had one screw missing. I went to my good old nine-ball play field, my junker play field, because the screws that are used for the slingshot stack switches are the exact same length. So I took those out. Okay, we got that fixed.
    31:15
    Let's see, what else? One of the pop bumper caps, the tab broke off, unfortunately. I hate when that happens. I hate that. So it was like falling off. So I put it in the pop bumper that doesn't work. Smart, huh?
    31:30
    So now it won't fall out. So I'm going to need another one of those. It's like the black, not black, the black hole, except instead of blue. Yeah.
    31:42
    I know what you're saying. Let's see. What are we doing here? No head bolts, which it looks like it takes a different length head bolt. Yeah, they're shorter. Yeah, they're much shorter. So I don't have those. So I'm going to have to get some of those. the biggest issue to me was the insert panel it's missing the where it mounts it mounts on the top right and top bottom and it and there's like a sleeve with an allen screw that goes through it so it can ride up and down the sleeve because you lift up the insert panel to pull it out to turn it to turn it yes which is opposite of everyone else's because it pulls the other way yeah pulls the other way uh mine was missing the sleeve and the allen screw it's like it's not there Yeah, maybe PBR. Yeah, so I already have a picture of it. That's why I want to send an email and say, I don't have the part number. Don't yell at me. This is the thing with an arrow pointing to it. Do you have that? Makes sense.
    32:40
    And it's missing. It had no lock for the back glass. Which is easy. No, it's not because the lock is easy, but you need the cam. And the cam is a special cam. PBR has it on their site, but it's out of stock. But then they also have it in another section of their NOS parts that they may have in stock. So we'll see if they have it in stock. I can only find it in two other places. One was like eBay France, and the other one was some other vendor who, if I were to buy, it's like a $7 part, but shipping was $10.
    33:12
    So not too bad with that. I went through my cam list because I have all kinds of different cams because I keep everything. And I did have a really long – it's a really long cam, but then it's got a 90-degree angle thing going on it. But I figured if it was long enough, I could just bend one to be like it. Oh, my. I can bend it all the way. Ooh.
    33:32
    But I can't wait for me to use a butthead. But I can – yeah. It distracted me there. But I didn't have a cam long enough. It still wasn't long enough. So I just – I like – depending on the game, the sterns, it doesn't really matter. But this one, the way the whole panel moves and everything else, I would like to have that back glass insecure and not move. Actually, it's easier with the Godleave I feel more secure with because you actually have to lift it up physically to turn it. And it also has a thing you can pull up and screw it in so it can't go up. But the problem is, in my case, the entire hinge is missing. So it could just slide all over the place, and who knows what could happen. I agree. But once you get the first piece done, then you don't need to lock them. And the back glass is crap, of course.
    34:22
    Now, BG Resto has those on their site. Can you just ask them for a back glass? Because everything on their site basically says to send them a back glass. It doesn't mention anything about – No, just email them. Okay. You email them, tell them what you want, and you say, I see it on your website. Please give me a price on what this is. And then he'll respond back saying, okay, here's the cost of it, and it's going to take about eight to ten weeks and go from there so then once you pay you're in line i am actually waiting it has been eight weeks and four days since i paid for my quicksilver ah so i'm waiting for that's how long i've had the quicksilver for and we know what those look like because that's what's in my yep so once i get that it's funny because they look really good and it's a different technique. It's like a film when you look at the back of it. But from the front, it looks like an original back glass. Yes, perfect. It looks better than some of the silkscreen repros that I've got. Oh, definitely. Totally agree. I was surprised, honestly. When we got the Quicksilver one, I thought it was like an NOS back glass or something. It wasn't until I looked at the back of it. It's like, wait a minute, this is weird. Yeah, so that's my whole getting that. You said whole. but yeah so that'll be the good thing about that but there's new products out uh you know i was just looking at that and i said you know this would be a good part to mention this new product that bruce has discovered well not discovered but luckily somebody else did on pin side oh oh pin side hey kudos to pin side there you go no no the only thing i actually read the only section I truly read is the Stern 77 through 84. That's the only one I will actually read. You don't go through any of the for sale ones? Bullshit, no. No? Not even to see if a radical's available? You missed the 3800 radical you could have had. I know, but see? See? Fail. Okay, what you were saying? And they posted saying, Mantis Amusements, Mr. Cary Stare, has made a part that is well needed for some of us stern and fish aficionados uh stern use two different style lockdown bar receivers what's a lockdown bar receiver bruce where you put your lockdown bar in and you actually move the lever to lock the part that has the lever on it okay yes and what you uh there's two different styles the early ones used like a ball yeah ball and socket style Yeah. Which is better because it's easier to adjust. You can actually move those ball and sockets up or down. Did you know that? Yes. Okay, good. I love moving my ball and sockets. I know you do. Then there's the second type that's used on most of them. Most of the games. And those are used – the good thing about the sterns are, the early sterns, is that you can use that for wide bodies or standard cabinets. They just actually made the lockdown bar wide. And you know they did that because it was cheaper, but in the end, it ends up being better for us because you only need one type. Exactly. Thank you, Stern. So what we found out with that is Keri Stare is reproducing the receiver, and it's pretty cheap. It's $100, all brand new, and I ordered one today. So I will be able to tell everyone how it is, but it is a part that does seize up a lot. it looks like crap some of them yes they rust up you go to try to take the lockdown bar if you can't even move the lever then if it breaks off the hinge you're screwed which we've had each i've had yeah i've had my game yeah mine yeah i have the big game fun big game but i was able to salvage that with alternate parts yeah no i was able to fix mine too but mine i cannot get off either in the beginning when I got my game.
    38:23
    So that is a great piece to have. It's a little hard to find the part number, but I will post it today on our Facebook page. Yeah, his website is not... Updated well. No. So that was a great thing to find. Yeah, that is awesome. Well, since we're talking about parts, how about repairs? What's going on, Bruce? Well, I finished the Paragon that was at my house for the longest time.
    38:51
    And here's what I had to do with it. I finally gave him the bill. He was happy. He's got to pick it up, and I'm going to be getting a flash from him to work on. Here's all the things I had to do on Paragon. I had to redo three connectors. One was a brand-new plastic connector with the metal connectors, and then the other two were just the metal pieces I had to replace with 65 new pins I had to redo. Replaced huge sets of drop targets.
    39:19
    Replaced the flipper. seven light sockets, a new pop bumper switch wire, because the switch, the wire, was broken in the cabinet somewhere.
    39:31
    Oh. I hate when that happens. So I had to rerun a whole new wire. I actually zip-tied it along the main harness, all the way up, got it to the thing, and got it to work. And then when I got the machine, somebody wired the pop bumpers all together in one... Why? I don't know why. Maybe they were a big EM fan, and they really liked that, you know, because a lot of the EMS do that, so maybe they wanted to bring that back. But I did fix that, and it's all now back to normal with it. I had to replace one transistor on the light board, replace the upper left saucer coil. The coil sleeve was stuck inside, so I could not get it out. I had to replace then the upper left pop bumper those pins that hold the bottom pop bumper mech assembly the staple looks like, the flat heads that are like nails with threads on the end had to replace three of those two were broken and one was a screw did this game ever work? yeah it worked okay, not great but it gets better so all together I did ten hours of work on this thing but now it plays great. I think he'll be very happy when he gets it. And, and, and when I got it, it wouldn't boot. The, one of the connectors were completely broken in half. The Bob connector on the rectifier board. It was so burnt. It actually broke in half.
    40:59
    So that's repairs for me. And then the bar, uh, stars. I put a picture on the Facebook page a couple of days ago. The kickout coil died just when Keith got there. Oh, So no stars? No stars when he was there. It took out the kick-out coil and the transistor on the Mantis board. The Mantis board? I have a Mantis. It's not a Mantis. Sorry. I have a Weebly. Weebly board. Okay. Weebly board. And the funny thing is they put two capacitors, one on each. There's two capacitors for each transistor.
    41:34
    One of the capacitors got taken out. It did not take out the transistor, which is a good thing. because they're using IRL 540 transistors in his board, which are a lot heavier duty.
    41:51
    You said duty. Duty. And I'm pissed right now, Marco, because they are out of lift trim metal for the back glass. Lift trim. That is what it's called. Yep. As we know. Yes. But they're out of it, and I'm trying to order it, and I'm like, what the fuck? I'm sorry. For that back glass I'm going to have. Luckily, I have an extra one. I have one in stock.
    42:13
    I always carry one. I was just trying to refill. Let's see. What do I have for repairs? I have the typical, I'm going to play a few games before I go to bed, and that's when the game breaks.
    42:30
    It's going to annoy you to crap. Yeah, so it was Deadpool. I'm playing Deadpool, and the ball goes airborne and hits the katana. the sword thing, and all of a sudden I see, like, a washer go flying through the air. Like, oh. The greatest of these, it's going to drive Ron batty. Oh, no, it's even better. So it's, like, right in the middle of the sword where there's a screw that goes through, a machine screw goes through the post that keeps the sword, mounts the sword. But there's a washer under those. They must have put it there for, like, spacing. That flew out. So I'm there, okay, where's the screw? Can't find the screw. You know, take all the balls out, which on the frigging premium, there's like six, seven balls. There's a lot of balls in there.
    43:18
    So many balls in my hand. I can't hold them all. So I'm looking everywhere, and it's going to be a small screw, but I figure, like, it should roll down the play field. I'm like, put the play field up and down. Put the play field up. Like, I can't hear it. I'm looking at the bottom. Maybe it fell in the coin box. No. And the bottom of the cabinet, they're so barren now, it's easy to see stuff. So I was like, no, it's not here. I couldn't find it. So I have to go through my stock and try to find the right screw, get the screw in there, start playing. After like two or three games, all of a sudden, there's a screw. I see it like rolling down the play field. It's like, oh, there it is. Okay, shut it off. We'll put that screw in. Put Loctite on it so it won't come out again. Yep, that's the problem. Yeah, because the original doesn't have – so I put Loctite on it. So that should not happen again. That's good. This just annoyed me. Oh, I know. Trust me, I'm annoyed right now. I have to work on games, and all my games are now in the garage.
    44:16
    And it's been a little warm in the upstate New York area. See, I get to work in the basement where it's nice and cool. Yeah, it was 88 degrees one day when I was working out in the garage.
    44:29
    Yeah. But I hear you finally quelled all the rumors about you supposedly being Stu McVicker. Oh, Stu McVicker, yes. He was on our channel streaming, his show streaming with Stu, Monday at 7.30. That's when he's on. And during the week, he was on Saturday. And I challenged him. You challenged him? I did. I challenged him to come on out this weekend. With you. Oh. And play at several schools. I don't know. That's not a lot of social distancing there. I still got to challenge him because I think I can kick his ass easily. Okay. Because, you know, I'd like to beat the 1978. I think that'd be nice on my list of achievements. You'd beat the 1978 Playboy Launch Party champion? Yeah. I think that'd be great on my list of achievements in the world. Yeah. Own a business, you know. To continue with the story, I mean, everyone seems to think we're the same person. I don't know why. I mean, we look kind of alike, but I mean, so I had enough of it. So at the beginning of the stream, I was playing Dirty Harry, and he was playing World Cup soccer. So we're both on screen at the same time. Done. Talking to each other. I mean, we walk literally right by each other. Sorry, there's no special effects there that are going to do that. Proof once and for all, we are different people. We're done. Yep. No more. So he'll be back. Cool. But I did challenge him. I'll let him know. If he didn't see it. Did he see it in chat? Did he respond to it? Oh, he saw it. He said, why? I don't know. Okay. So, yeah. So I did challenge him. We'll see if he does. Then he streamed again. Like, I told him I had to do that trivia thing. So he decided he would stream, like, right before that. I had to kick him off. But that bastard, he got to the final battle in T3. He beat my GC. That's not hard. Well, it's not hard to get the final battle. but on mine, it's not easy.
    46:32
    Where's your high score on there? I didn't see it. I had it at one time. No, you didn't have it. You had a high score.
    46:40
    Yeah. I had it. He did it on stream, and he's a real dick about the way he did it, too. That's good. You know, like, he, before, like, because he got hit at left orbit in the final shot, and he's just saying how great he is, and most players would just miss this shot. Like, before he even shoots it, then he just hits it. Then he finishes the final battle in the fastest time I think I've ever seen.
    47:02
    Well. I'm jealous. I wish I was as good as him. Just because you suck, you know. He sings better than me, too.
    47:09
    Oh, that's a given. I think dead horses sing better. Oh. Found it. Found what? My trim rail. They have it on a different thing now. Woo-hoo. Oh. Yep. Okay. You found your trim? Oh, my. I found my trim. Are you at Marco or Pornhub? Or maybe both. You probably have them in separate tabs. I do. God, I have not. Actually, I have one, two, three, four, five, six. I have nine tabs on my computer right now. So you're, let's see, you're control tabbing in between porn and the parts. So it's porn parts, porn parts, porn parts. Okay.
    47:50
    Wow. Do we have any mail in the ball bag, or do you want to do it after our trivia? Well, actually, some of it's part of the trivia. Is there any news out in the world? Is there any news? Well, we had – You have to go to TWIP. Yeah. We also had some more unfortunate news. Yes, we did. We have a couple of bad things happening in the world.
    48:12
    Lisa Bezenover, who was a New York City – Player. Player, pinhead. She passed away, cancer. She had a long battle with cancer. Battle, unfortunately. The thing is, we were Facebook friends, but I was thinking, I don't remember ever playing against her. I don't remember ever meeting her. And then Tim, Tim Sexton of Stern Pinball, he posted a picture from what must have been a rock fantasy top four after a tournament. And it was Tim, Howard, this OCPC guy, me, and Lisa. And Lisa's literally standing right next to me. And I totally don't remember it. I don't even remember when that happened.
    48:55
    I just would like to say I'm sorry, you know, to her family and, you know, all the friends and people who know her. You know, it's very sad to see somebody pass away from a long battle like that. And she actually had a silver ball T-shirt. Kate gave her one. Yeah, she went all out. Yeah, she got like a Jeep, went riding around in the Jeep and all that stuff, living to the fullest. Yes, which is great. Some people don't do that, you know, and she was, you know. She had one of the best Facebook posts I've ever seen. When she was diagnosed and knew it probably wasn't going to go well, it's like, hey, I'm going to do all this stuff. I'm going all these places now. So if you want to come up to me, talk to me now. Like, don't say you're going to do it later. Yeah.
    49:37
    Then we had Barry Ousler. He was in hospital with COVID. Yeah. He has since actually gotten out of the hospital and is recovering. Which is good.
    49:48
    And it blowing up around the world except for up here Well yeah because we wear masks and don do stupid shit And we have the governor that makes no sense in his rules Oh boy
    50:00
    It's the truth. Let's get to the ball bag. Don't forget, LEs are now online for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So you mean I can get one? They're doing it a different way this time. They're actually doing pros first. Then they're going to do a little bit of pros. Then they're going to do all the LEs. then they're going to do the premiums and then the pros after that again. Which isn't really new. They did that with ACDC. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying it hasn't been a while. Lately, yes. But they have followed this pattern before. Because I remember we had Angus Face and then like in February, and then in Texas we had the LEs, and then we had more Angus Face and then premiums with the wonderful, the cloudy play field, the LE of premiums, if you will, that I have. you're you're you're so lucky with that i am it's supposed to simulate hell it has nothing to do with a poor clear coat over the clear insert it's nothing to do with that at all no it's meant to signify health okay i have a little comment after this too okay do you want to do the comment before this what is up with pinball pals oh the puppets oh my fucking god you don't like puppets oh my god I will say there's a lot of creativity with it. I laughed when they actually had their first mail letter, which was really funny. If you got to listen to it to appreciate it more. And they have a lot of musical talent. I'm going to say that. Oh, my God. I couldn't understand what Moppy was saying, other than Moppy was swearing a lot, because it was kind of like the South Park Kenny, you know, here's a fucking, here's a fucking, you know, that kind of thing. but uh i i was like oh my god you done no not yet i'm still gonna go out about that you know i know you can't say a word because it's your you're a part of that thing but luckily i'm not i don't know what you're talking about as far as i said i did like the pindersons one that was kind of cute but you know they're trying to you know he goes and tries to buy a pin and that kind of stuff that was okay there's just too many canadians on there see that's the problem that is definitely that's the main issue yeah i think we need to close i think it's called the canadian pinball network is what we should call it is it's cpn cpn it's like i listen if i hear it one more time i'm trying to go down the list of what you guys that's silver chronicles and that Dennis is nice but that guy with him is a fucking asshole.
    52:42
    Okay. Are you done? No, no, no. I'm still looking. And there's too many Silver Ball titles. You guys pick first Silver Ball Chronicles. I don't know. I actually don't know if we were first because Silver Ball Stories and Chronicles were like simultaneously. I think Stories was actually first that they came up with the name.
    53:02
    Sorry. Yeah, just like oh my God. So we're the unoriginal ones, so it's my fault. Yep. Everything's my fault, Bruce. So you really don't want to get on there, do you? No, I don't. Guess what? You know, if they can't take a little criticism, and they've had a lot of criticism from another podcast. Oh, they have nothing but criticism.
    53:24
    The whole Pinside thread is nothing but criticism. I know. And you're adding to that, Bruce. You're never going to be on a podcast with Zach. Well, Zach, I would overpower him. You would overpower him. Okay. I would. Because, well, we're not going to do this, and we're not going to do that. We're not going to try to do. No, I'm not. No, no. He's a little too energetic. Pitbull, market trend. Yeah.
    53:49
    No, but Zach, come on. Stop with the market. I feel bad for Dennis. Dennis is like, ugh. Do you realize that's the whole gimmick, though? That's the main reason I listen to him. But I think Dennis is probably sick of it by now. It doesn't matter. It's a great comic routine, man. You should take that on the road. Yeah.
    54:10
    See, Dennis would be the straight man in there, and Zach is the comedian. Of course, with us, I'm supposedly the straight man. Supposedly. And you're supposedly a comedian. Supposedly. But unfortunately, we've known each other too long, so. Too long. Way too long. You know, it's time for the mail ball bag. So, our first one we have, we have a thank you from Andre. Andre who? I'll just use Andre. It says, Ron and Bruce, I just want to thank you both for making such a great podcast. I don't even listen to podcasts except for a few select pinball profile ones. Hear that, Jeff? Someone likes you. But I started listening to yours during shelter in place, and it's been a bright spot for me over the last few months. You guys are fun and funny. Why, thank you. I don't know about Bruce. And you also have a great rapport and attitude. I enjoy every minute of your podcast, even when it's not about pinball. If you're covering some technical things, I don't understand at all. So thank you for helping me get through these very difficult times. And he's one of my favorite pinball players. And, yes, and Andre, you are one of Bruce's favorites. He has patterned his entire game after you. Well, actually, Bruce is old, so we could say you patterned your game after him. Yeah, thanks. You're ripping him off.
    55:30
    He deserves residuals. I love the way he plays. Yes. I do love the way he plays. And I liked his interview with somebody else. Yes, he was just on an interview. Yes, yes. I was very happy with that. So we have an email from Chris. Hi, Chris. He has a new game suggestion. Ooh. This is a name that pin game. However, it's a pin that hasn't been made yet. Your goal is to get your friend to say the name of this pin using one catchphrase from this imaginary new game. Here are some examples.
    56:05
    Mom always said no playing ball in the house multiball. Answer, Brady Bunch. Or fix the cigarette lighter. That one I would have got. Answer is the Blues Brothers. Or rawhide multiball. Oh, God. Hit them up. Move them on. Rawhide. A bunch of inserts with zap, laser, gold. Answer, American Gladiators. Oh, God, I would have never got that one.
    56:29
    Yeah, I never watched American Gladiators. Okay, I like that one. Let's see if I can think of one right now.
    56:36
    Let's see. Cornholio Multiball. Let's see if I can think of one. Hold on. Yeah, Beavis and Pothead is the answer. Yes, it is. Cornholio Multiball. No, actually, Cornholio would have to be Wizard Mode. Like a frenzy Wizard Mode where he goes berserk.
    56:55
    Uh, let's think of one. I'm going to do one. Uh, the Knights who say neat multi-ball. Okay. So medieval madness. Yeah. Well, I go with the, uh, holy hand grenade of, of the holy anger. Hey, that's, that's like, instead of the, um, instead of the Walker bombs, it's the holy hand grenade bombs. Yep. You just hit him like, uh, kill the rabbit multi-ball or something. Yes. Yep. That'd be great. Okay. So the answer is yes. We got to do that one. Well, actually, we did a couple. That one, we'll do a couple every week. We'll do that. Not every week. What am I saying? Every show. Forget I said every week. You heard wrong. Let's go back to weekly. Shut up.
    57:40
    He complained to me today about that, guys. Yes, I did. Bruce is there like, this weekend? And they're like, we just did one. I said two weeks ago. And he's like, no. So we have Parnell send a message with a link. Have you guys seen this? I know it isn't a true Ballystern, but it's cool to see someone working on this kind of game.
    58:01
    It's Voyager 1. It's a multi-CPU hack combined with a universal modified 80s box cabinet. We're actually looking at it for the first time here. Interesting. But it has Williams flippers on it. No! Oh, my God! You're not simulating the Bally experience!
    58:20
    It has the Bally capsule. Bob-Bombercaps. There you go. So at least you got some ballet in there. It almost looks Rick and Morty-esque, the space part of the artwork.
    58:32
    We're up to 127. Oh, one year, Rick and Morty. Mm-hmm. And it uses numeric displays, old school. Cool. It says ballet technologies on it.
    58:44
    That is cool. That's something new. What is old is new again, Bruce. Ooh, I found something for you. Uh, okay. We're going to get you a Rocky. Oh, God, no. Yeah. That's so bad. Although it's hard to believe the awesome alien star I have now is by the same guy who did Rocky. I know. Ta-da. Who would that be? The guy we can't name.
    59:12
    Oh, I can name him as much as I want. That's true, but it'll just be edited out. What else do we have in the mail ball bag? Daniel Hoff Heinz. So I will say his last name because he got a stars. Remember we had the episode that says Daniel wants a stars. Well, he says, hi, fellas. It finally happened. I scored his stars. Nice. Yes. Well, it sounds like it's got issues. The lower left stand of target is not working. Right slingshot doesn't work. Right spinner works, but score slowly. I think everything else is there and working. It's probably still better than mine was at first. Play field is good. It is dirty balls for all over, but the only real wear is a bit around the center bonus inserts. Hopefully it cleans up pretty well.
    59:57
    Let's see, going through and sorting out a few issues it has. I have some parts already on order to get started. What stand-ups should I be looking for? That's a good question because I didn't have to get any stand-ups. Stand-ups would be normal stern ones I think you can get still from. Well, he had a part number.
    60:17
    Why don't you click on it? Hold on. I've got to go into the mail ball bag. Oh, you're not even there. So he's not even there. No, I let you read it because I didn't want to slow down my internet. I have 10 tabs now going.
    60:29
    Hold on. It shows a Data East Stern target. I mean, because if we don't know, we're going to look really bad. Yeah, no, I'll know when I look at it. Give me two seconds. Yeah.
    60:45
    That would work. So you think that would work? As he said. Yeah, just look at the mount. The mount is the big thing, because if it's backwards or forwards, you know, then you can just reuse the mount and use the parts, the guts. Yeah. Which is fine. So anyways, I could ramble on for a while, and I'll probably have more questions. Really excited to get this one up and add it to my lineup, the official game of the Slamtail Podcast. Yes, it is. That's going to be copyrighted soon. Oh, also super happy for Bruce to get his business running again. Bars are still closed down here in North Carolina for at least a couple more weeks.
    61:17
    Yeah, we've been doing okay. not great, not wow, you know, but the weird thing is we're doing better in the weekdays than we are the weekends. So come on out in the weekends. We've got plenty of things to do. P.S. It is weird that as I type my own email, I hear it in Ron's radio salesman mail ball bag voice. Wow. Yeah, I am doing a kind of a different voice when I read emails. You do your radio show. Yeah, I do my radio show voice. Hello.
    61:41
    Okay. We have email from Todd. Hi, Todd. Todd who? Todd from Beavis and Butthead. I hope he's back. I hope they found the intern who originally did his voice, because I was not feeling whoever they were having do his voice in the comeback season there. Yeah. Just saying. I expect my Todd to sound a certain way. Wow. Todd says, hey, guys, question for the show. What makes for a good collection? I guess this question stems from some of the talk I've heard about Munsters. Most have said that Munsters is a bad game, that the rules weren't there, and that it wasn't a deep game. I feel most of this was by design. Not to drink too much of the Stern Kool-Aid, but I can see Dwight's point about keeping things close to the start button. Monsters might be one of Warwick's best shooting games. Haven't seen or played Turtle, so don't count that. Does every machine need to be an all-day game rules-wise, like Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, or Stern Star Trek? Either coded that way or plays that way because of safe shots? I see a game like Stars at Silver Ball and continue to go back to it. It's fast, simple, brutal, and fun. one of its modern-day equivalents might be Iron Man. Iron Man really wasn't well-received at the beginning. No, it wasn't. But since it's become a modern classic, not quite sure why that is, because it was seen as being super cheap and they were – You chinsed out too much. Yeah, because they fired everyone and then they made NBA, Big Buck Hunter, Iron Man, and they were all cheap stripped-down games that they made in a few months with really simple rule sets, et cetera. So it was seen as a – it pissed people off. let's see most of all the code updates have been slight scoring adjustments or light show the game hasn't changed that much at all no it hasn't long winded hopefully you get the idea love to hear your thoughts Todd what makes a good pinball collection it depends on the person their style of play their likes and dislikes yeah you could have someone who all they like are really deep games so all they have are you know they have Pirates of the Caribbean and a Simpsons pinball party and a Lord of the Rings, and that's what they want to play because they want the journey. As I've always said, for me and Ron, I've both followed the same pattern, and a lot of players do first. First, you go for the newer Williams. If you're getting into the hobby for the first time, it seems like first you get a cheap game. Then you go, oh, wait a second, I want this. And you go for like a Williams game because you know they're really rated high. You know you can still get a lot of them. then you start finding your game. Do you like maybe Bally's or Stern's from the early 80s? Do you like Williams or do you like the newer Stern's? And you start following that pattern. Or some people go with designers. In the beginning, I was a big Pat Lawler fan. Now I only own one. And I had at one time probably eight Pat Lawlers or seven. So it all varies on how your tastes go and what you want to have in your collection. But I have brutal games, and I have some easy games in my collection, like Monopoly. It's not a deep game.
    64:48
    It's not an, oh, my God, I got to have it. You know, you usually do the thing. You know, you usually start one multi-ball, you go around the board once, and you work your way, and you get through it, you know. But I do have some deep games with Lord of the Rings.
    65:01
    It all varies on how you want to play your collection. Because guess what? You're the only one that's going to be playing your collection all the time. go with what you want but always go with stars wow how very insightful thank you every once in a while you say a super intelligent thing and it just throws me dead silence luckily there's a mute because I was yelling it's like wow I forgot Bruce is smart I keep forgetting that yeah you do for all your ball back oh it's like rarely sometimes i actually can speak yes eloquently i would say uh basically what bruce said i mean you will find your your taste change over time like for me right now a great example would be black knight 2000 love that when i got it yep then i got better at pinball and the game started getting longer and longer and longer and i realized you know I really don't like really long playing games anymore.
    66:07
    And that was kind of the end of that. That's another reason I love playing Deadpool. I mean, it doesn't take 45 minutes to an hour to get to the Megalocraculasaurus or whatever the hell it is, the wizard mode there. Same thing with even something like Metallica. Yeah, it would probably take a while to get to the final wizard mode, but I'll never see that anyway. I just want to get to Crank It Up, which doesn't take overly long to get to. That's kind of my thing. I think Lord of the Rings is a great game. I think it's a good shooting game. I think it's probably one of the most immersive, best integrated themes that's ever been done in a game.
    66:41
    But I can't play it for 40 minutes. And would Ron ever own one? No. I know that. Because I don't want to play it for 40 minutes. But I loved watching Carl D'Angelo's stream on it, i.e. Pinball. Check it out. He has a 4K YouTube version of it, if you want to see that. The Wizard Mode, but it takes him like 40, 50 minutes. to get to Valinor. I just can't do that. Well, number one, I can't do that skill-wise probably, but number two, even if I could, I would never want to play a game that long. Like a single game. It's just, that's why I stopped playing Bruce Remembers. I used to play Galaga a lot. People used to ask me to play Galaga. You play like these two-hour long games and just get bored and everyone else is having fun and I'm playing Galaga. Like, why am I doing this? Yeah. So yeah, I have gravitated more to short, brutal games. Yes. Hence, like Alien Star. Yep. Hence, like, you know, even... Even Iron Man that I just picked up. I know, like, I used to be Bally Bruce, and now I only have two Ballys. Yeah. But I have now almost ten sterns, because they're more brutal.
    67:49
    It's not... And Ron pointed me in this right direction, you know. In the late 70s, early 80s, there wasn't a lot of different Bally design. No. You always had the inline drop target. You always had the outer loops. You start to realize this after a while. Yeah. Like if I was going to replace Harlem Globetrotters, I would replace it with Paragon. Because Harlem is Paragon Lite. Is that what it is? And they use the same. We said the other way. Paragon is Harlem Lite. Oh, okay. Oh, that's right. Because the number of shots. But somehow it's just I prefer Paragon. But the thing is, they would have the saucer at the top. They would have the same target. A lot of them just look very similar. The sterns are all over the map, what they look like. And to be honest, once you get past System 1s, you get into Gottlieb's System 80s tend to be all over the map. Yep. I mean, but some of the rules aren't the greatest. But, I mean, still, their play fields are completely different, really super unique. Bally's was probably some of the least unique. I think even Williams was probably more unique or had more different things they did. Of course, I'm talking about, you know, we're talking more about like late 70s, early 80s. I mean, you get to certain stages, Bally, yes, they had games like, you know, Vector or Medusa. You know, they had games that were different. But with the Stearns, the Stearns just, they play faster. They're cheaper, and the cheapness equals speed. It does. It really does. I know I say this analogy 30 zillion times, but the stern is that awesome sports car, but it's all made out of plastic, and if it hits anything, it'll just disintegrate. That's a stern. But that's a stern, man. And, man, when you're riding in that thing, you don't care that it might disintegrate. Right in front of you. Yeah.
    69:45
    So hopefully that answers that question. Yeah, I think it did. That was a very insightful conversation. What is it doing on this show? What the fuck are we doing? There you go. Good F-bomb to get us back in gear. Thank you, Bruce. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. You got to know who you are.
    70:03
    You got to be true to yourself. So let's go to the game. Dr. John's Trivia. And that's what I'm going to call it because it's simple. Okay, so how are we doing the points now? Well, he says right on there. Okay.
    70:18
    Actually, let me read the email again. Again, this time I actually have not listened to the clip at all, not even to get the sound. So hopefully the sound is okay. Because the last episode when we did this, I was telling Bruce before we went on, it was like four hours of editing. That one section, like inserting his original file in, there has to be a better way of doing this. Okay, hold on. All I hear is wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. Oh, shut up. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. That's all I hear, guys. I know what you hear. Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa.
    70:54
    All right. Okay, so it says new quiz. What does he say? Hello, good men. Well, thank you. Wow. That's right. Maybe I'll do my battle-strewn accent. You did so well-ish last time, although the scoring was all over the place. It was. It doesn't matter. It's just for brain exercise. Something easier this time. No popular song knowledge needed. Oh, thank God. Thank the fucking Lord. This time, I'll play a pinball main theme. You just have to guess it. That seems easy. Catch is it's play backwards. This is explained in the introduction. So don't need to read this. Hold on. I'll say that line backwards. Got it? Fucked. They start really easy, but hopefully later on, they'll sort you out. Oh, I like that. I'm going to sort you out, mate. One point for each machine. No complicated scoring this time. So one point. all right ron okay line bruce okay here we go all right so we're gonna play dr john's trivia super inventive name backwards yeah backwards backwards pinball themes that we have to guess let's see how this goes quiz time again for ron bruce i remember two episodes ago Ron illustrating he can talk backwards which is a skill that comes in handy never so for this one I thought let's play some backwards pinball themes and see if you can pick them I'll just play the theme say your name or a buzzer sound first one to identify the pinball machine takes the points here's the first one and it's nice and easy
    72:45
    I don't know that. Beats the fuck out of me. Damn it. That's an easy one. We're going to get like zero points. So the second you know it, you've got to say something. So it's like a buzzer.
    73:02
    Of course, the answer. Easy one to start. Sounds pretty much the same both ways. Twilight Zone. The golden earring version. That was Twilight Zone. I couldn't fucking play it that way. Wow.
    73:15
    I'm so screwed. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. First, first, first. Okay. Adam's family. Yeah, that is correct. Shit.
    73:25
    All right, so Bruce is ahead 1-0. Damn it, Jim. All right. And again, starting pretty easy. That one being the Adam's family. Let's try something a little trickier.
    73:45
    medieval madness yep it's just funny I know I don't even have to it's like shit yeah not really of course medieval madness now I'm taking all these from the pin side top 100 so the first lot were pretty easy because they're all in the top 10. Let's move down the list and see how familiar some of these others are.
    74:24
    I know it. I'll say that's Tales of the Arabian Nights. You are right. We should do the buzzer sound thing. You say like... I know what I'm saying. I'm going to say Cornholio. I'm going to say Ding, Fries are Done. Okay. of course I'm St. Cornholio of the upcoming Beavis and Butthead game do it Stern and that one of course Tales of the Arabian Nights A little bit of J And moving down the list I know it, Shadow.
    75:03
    You didn't ring in. Cornholio Shadow. I'll let you go on that one. and that won the great brian eddie game the shadow moving on down okay so is it two two now two two all right oh i got it i got it uh thing fries are done yes high speed okay can i guess if i don't think you're right i think it's whirlwind oh yeah it might be but are we doing like who because well Well, I think I should be able to guess because you don't get penalized to a point if you're wrong. Exactly. So, yeah. Let's see what the answers are.
    76:02
    Don't know about you, but to me, it sounds the same. Played both ways. That was, of course, Whirlwind. You got it. Next up.
    76:18
    Crap, that's got singing in it. I have no idea what that was. I don't think either of us got that one no I don't know at all what's the score 3-2 you can't beat it love the game Congo let's make it a bit harder okay got it ding fries are done yep get away okay and did you get that one it was taxi oh no wow i didn't know that wow Damn. I don't know. Hmm. What is Satan? That one's just a bit of lion man loving Swords of Fury. Let's try a lucky last.
    77:23
    Oh, I know it. Um, shit. Oh, fuck. I had it in my head and it just left. Sorry. You get the rest.
    77:43
    I own the game. Demoman? No. Dirty Harry. And that was, of course, the ex-mayor of, is it Carmel? I don't know. The town in California somewhere. But anyway, Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry. Pretty easy. I think we might get some more another time and make them harder. Maybe some call-outs. Anyway, have fun. Thanks for the podcast. Love listening. Catch ya. Thank you, John. Thank you, Dr. John. 3-2, you win.
    78:10
    I won 3-2, right? Are you muted, Bruce? Muted. 3-2. You won. Yes. That sucked. It sucked. Actually, you can't complain like those. Oh, man. Shit. I almost like... They almost deleted the thing that I don't want to delete. Hold on. Good job. Yeah, that was stupid.
    78:34
    Damn. No, but the... Those were easy, and I still didn't get it. What are the Swords of Fury? Figured you'd know that one. No. Yeah, I didn't recognize. So thank you for Dr. Judd's Trivia.
    78:51
    We suck. As soon as I heard the guitar, it's like, okay, I know it's a game I own, and then I just totally blanked. But you didn't need it anyway. No, but I still get upset when I should know it. I get more upset at myself than anyone else.
    79:09
    All right. The ball bag is now clear. I emptied my ball bag. Mm-hmm. Glad you did. I did. Mm-hmm. Wow. That is very... Creepy? Yeah. Did we ever do any news? We said we were going to do news. We talked about the LEs being on the line. Which there's a picture there of all the LEs. This weekend pinball. Thank you, Jeff. I love that the side blades are in there now. You need to buy one. It's like, and then I'll buy a game off you and I'll buy your Alien Star. Perfect. I like that the side blades and the LEs are different than the ones you can buy. So at least it makes you feel like, hey, I got an LE. I have this thing. Yeah. I have this thing that you can't get. So you buy that, and then I'll buy your Alien Star and something else from you. Marco streamed some Turtles. I think I saw Crystal on there playing some Turtles.
    80:14
    They straight down the middle did this thing where they, can I unbox the game faster than the other guy can eat a full pizza?
    80:21
    Did you see that? I thought that was so. And they split screen it. Like one's trying to set it up as quickly as possible, and the other one's trying to finish the whole pizza before the other one finishes. I saw pizza left in the box. Okay, so he's failed. So I would say Zach won. Okay. But Zach hasn't won because Bruce hasn't been on a show yet. Nope, Zach is lost. He's lost without you? In more ways than one. More ways than one. Okay. But I will be on another podcast soon. What? Oh. I mean, other than the one that we're both on? Yes. Oh. Yeah. Really? Keeping that a secret. Oh, you suck. Yep. Just like you do to me. You keep secrets from me. I keep secrets from you? Yes. I told you I was getting a new game. No, you did not. Did I? No, you did not. Oh, you know, because it came up since the last podcast. That's correct. Yes. Ah, so you did not. Wow, I didn't know I had to, like, tell you about all my new games. Of course you do, but you haven't lately. You just keep on, oh, I got this. Oh, I got this. You get to wait until the end. You do the same thing to me. No, I don't. You don't just tell me, like, Rod, look what I picked up. You'll be like, yeah, I got it. Oh, Rod, you didn't know that? Oh, that's right. Oh, you do that on the podcast all the time. I said it when I got pinball. I told you when I was doing that. Told you who I was even trading with and everything like that. You knew before everyone else did. See? Wow, I didn't know this was the rule. It is the rule. I have broken the unwritten rule. Yes, you have. But, yes, I will be on a different podcast as a guest host. Oh, my goodness. Is it on the Pinball Network? No. Oh, God. Is it what I think it is? I don't know. Make a guess. I don't want to say. Then say it. You can edit. You have the power of editing. Well, I'll say it and then edit it. But are you going to tell me if I'm right? Yeah. Okay.
    82:08
    So I made a guess, and I, of course, was correct. Of course. Because I am that good. I don't know about that. But we were both on another podcast, the Final Round podcast. We were. I think we matched. We played the Pinberg trivia. Yep. We are under NDAs. We cannot say what happened. Yep. So you'll have to listen when that comes out. When does that come out? Like Friday? Yeah, Friday. Yeah, he wanted to do it Friday because that's when Pinberg would be going on. But we did take on another podcast. Yep, we took on another podcast. That's all we'll say. Yep, that's it. That's it.
    82:42
    Anything else this week and a half, two weeks of fun in the sun? Yeah, this is another long one. It's going to be another editing nightmare. Thank you. Yes, I love these. There's nothing buy it or buy it out because everything's fucking way overpriced. Way overpriced? Come on, people. Well, no, they need to be way overpriced in a comical way, though. Well, this one is. This one is. So you have one that's overpriced? If you go to Pinside? All right, hold on. So we're going to the Pinside edition. So all right, all right, hold on. So would we or would we not buy that, which is kind of stupid because you're pretty much already saying there's no way we would buy this. But let's go there. I'm going to go to Pinside. Let's see. Where do I go here? It's Marketplace, right? Market. Marketplace. And then type in the search Meteor. Oh, Meteor. Okay. One of the greatest Stern games ever made. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Meteor. Okay, we got three. Okay. Which is the cheapest one there? Ooh, $950. That's not... Click on it. I mean, I thought I was going to see a $2,000, $3,000 Meteor. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's only $950. Okay. Hold on. Read the description. I have a Meteor. It does not boot. The play field has where? missing the plastic over the drops.
    83:52
    And let's look at the pictures now. Start with the first. Yeah, it's got where? A lot of it. Are half the GI lights out in the head? Yep. Okay, they could be just bulbs. Or burn connectors. And there's no score displays that I see. They're glowing, but they're not actually showing anything. Yeah, exactly. Oh, he says it doesn't boot. Duh. Duh, exactly. Duh.
    84:16
    So I don't know. What's the current market? I mean... Now look at the cabinet. And he does a close-up of the wear. Yep. Got to give him credit there. It's like, here it is. Enjoy the wear.
    84:28
    Cabinet scratched up quite a bit. And the back glass is pretty normal meteor crappy back glass. I like that. Normal meteor crappy back glass. The back box head has water damage. Oh, is it like sagging?
    84:43
    Yep, it's warping. You get distorted. Okay. Okay, so maybe not the greatest deal? No. But it's not crazy. But if it was, now look at the inside cabinet picture and tell me what's wrong there. What's the thing behind the rectifier board? Thank you. It looks like a Williams resistor pack. Yeah, it's like a bunch of resistors, like seven resistors on a board behind the rectifier board. I've never seen that. Never seen that before in my life, so that's scary right there, too. Yeah, you have no idea what the hell that is. So $950 for this gem. What do you say? And actually, if you look at the side of the cabinet, it looks like paint or some other liquid has rolled down the inside, if you actually look. Yeah. So you'd see that? Yep, on the back corner. So, I mean, I think it's one of those you put it under $1,000 to see if someone will bite on it because it's under $1,000. This is a $500 game. I'm sorry. Maybe even $400. If it booted, if you got the boot, you can ask more. I don't even know why he doesn't try to get the boot, because probably there's a lot more issues, I guarantee. Well, there's a lot of pictures. There's a lot of pictures, but it doesn't help your selling price on a lot of pictures.
    85:59
    It's actually hurting your price on a lot of pictures. Oh, we're going to get an angry letter now. I used to be a listener, but now, fuck you.
    86:07
    You know, my favorite segment used to be, would we or would we not buy that? But now, you guys suck. Now, the other meteor that's here, that looks pretty nice. Wait, there's another meteor? Yeah, you said there's three, remember, in the pictures? Well, one was just a part. One was just an empty. Oh, it's for trade. Yeah.
    86:26
    Newly reworked in working order. Oh, well, Jesus, new play field. New everything. The new wrong play field. Don't forget. Oh, without the lettering or whatever? Yep, it's the CPR one. He wants trade or $3,200.
    86:43
    Yeah. Damn. It does look nice. Well, yes, a new play field. Even if it has some lettering wrong, it's going to look damn good. And, man, it does look good. And it has the new light boards in there also. Oh, yeah. It's like sparkles. Yeah, and the new light boards are in there also.
    86:58
    Now, see, from my perspective, when I look at it, I see brand new drop targets all around. Yeah, that's a bad thing. Which is a bad thing, which is hard to explain to anyone why it's a bad thing. I know. The 1-2-3 targets are the ones, they're the newer style with the lip. I mean, as long as they work, I guess. If they work. If. They'll work, but how often will they break? That is always the question. But, yeah, so there's two different meteors. Me, if I was going to buy one, I would want the older one, the crappier one, cheaper than I'd work with it. So if you had a choice between the two, even after all that crap you just said, you would get the other one. Yes. There you go. So we would buy that when presented a choice between that one and this one. Yes, and the costs. And the costs, yeah. Well, it says trade. Does it say what they would trade it for? I don't see it. It doesn't say. It just trade, but then it says listed at $3,200. So I guess they mean something equivalent of $3,200. Yeah. So like Star Wars Home Edition? I like the powder coating on the door and the real – It's not the real proper gray, but it's nice looking. Oh, yeah. I like the CERN logos.
    88:16
    Is that how they originally were? Now it comes in the plastic kits of the new plastic. Yeah, it looks pretty good. The CPR plastics. Yeah. Which I did get. I got my CPR plastics for Dragon Fist and Cheetah. Nice. Yes, so I finally got them. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Cheetah? Cheetah. They have them for Cheetah? Cheetah. So your inlanes will be good until they break? Cheetah, cheetah. Or are they like Lexan and they won't break or something? No, they're just, I think they're stronger, hopefully. So cheetah, cheetah. I'd like the inlane guides, but I don't need any of the other plastics. I need one more. I need the one that's over the middle drop target stuff, one through five. That big one, plastics. How long have they had plastics for that? About three months, four months. Damn. We probably talked about it on a show and I totally forgot. They have. They have almost all these sterns now. They have a lot of old sterns. And the problem is they're not selling well. So now they're like, we're not going to make any more old sterns until we see more of an uptick. So that's why I bought two sets. You know, the Dragon Fist, which is, that was the weirdest one. I don't know why you would make a plastic set for a 300-count game. Which I'm grateful that you did. You're grateful for it. And I'll probably never use them because actually my plastics are pretty good on it. But I'll keep it as a backup. Yeah, mine has the one broken one. That's always, that always happens. The fist plastic, which I still wouldn't put the new one in until I could get some kind of super Lexan protector thing underneath it, because otherwise it will break again within 10 games. I totally agree. So that's why I would never put it. But at least I bought it, so it supports them in saying, hey, but they have a ton. What you're saying is I should support them right now by getting a sheet of it. Both.
    89:55
    They also have a Dragon Fist plastic set. Where did I get that from? I don't know. It must have been from CPR. Who else had it? I don't think that's the only one. Okay, so I had gotten one of those, because I know I have one. Okay, Cheetah.
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    Yep, they have Cheetah. They have Big Game. Catacomb they have. I'm just going down to all of them, because they're all grouped together in one thing.
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    So, see, you maybe need to buy something like a Flight 2000. They have Galaxy. I don't know why they don't have Gamitron yet. Gamitron. We're so weird here. we like criticize a meteor play field but then we'll plug the hell out of their other stuff we are completely unbiased electronimo they have which lightning magic so they've really done a well you know good job getting meteor they have nine ball plastics nugent orbiter one plastics I have Quicksilver plastics, right? That came with the other thing. Yes, Quicksilver we have. Came with the play field. They have also Sea Witch.
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    So, you know, I have to support them because they are doing, you know, the older Sterns. I would, you know, definitely if you have an older Stern, even if Stargazer, which I know you don't need because your plastics are pretty good on that. And I have a whole extra set, which I don't remember where I got them from. I think they came with the game. I think you said they did, too. Yeah. It's like a whole – like an NOS set of plastics for Stargazer. You even have World Cup soccer plastics now.
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    So, yeah. So, they have bumped up the Stern Plastics. So, that's classic playfield reproductions. Yes. CPR. Give them a try. I will probably be getting this Cheetah set at least because I want to try the inlanes out. I mean, hopefully they don't ship again if they're a stronger material. Yeah. I got the Dragon Fist one also just because, as I said, they made one for 301 games.
    92:11
    How many people have Dragon Fists? Ten maybe out there? Maybe five? I know three. Four. I know four people have it. No, sorry. I know five people own a Dragon Fist. you, me, Scott, Tommy from the Slippin' Podcast,
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    and Mark Salas. Also, I think Bill Morrison in Texas has one. But he has all the other ones, too. He's the one who had the Gametrons. The Gametron and the Whitewood Gametron. I'm trying to reach a scale. I have to two.
    92:41
    And Zach agreed with me, finally. There's another funny thing. What, our Zach? He agreed with you? Our Zach agreed with me, saying... It's going to be confusing to our listeners when we have multiple Zacks.
    92:51
    He looked at me, you know, after playing Gamitron for so long, and he goes, I think we need to replace that rectifier board, because I told him the new rectifier board on the other Gamitron made the lights really bright, and he still has the original one on there. And we redid the connectors on it, but it's still not getting up to full, you know, the light voltage for the control lights, so they're very dim.
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    The new one fixed it right up, so he's like, yeah, I think we need to get one. And I said, I already have one in the house. He said, well, just got to pull the board and do it real fast. Go from there.
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    I do need another one. I've got to order another one eventually because I only have one backup. And I might need it for pinball. So is this repairs part two? Yes, just talking about stuff. Just talking about stuff. Yeah, I have that. That's the last item I have on my list. Just talking about stuff. Well, that has been episode 148. I will see you soon, Bruce. Yes, I will see you guys. And if you want to come out this weekend for Pinberg Northeast, Come on out. Come out to where? The Silver Ball Saloon, 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. You get to see Ron, Bruce, maybe even Stu will be there. Who knows? Ooh, and I get a gift. Ron's bringing me a gift. I'm bringing him a gift. And we're evening up on the Quicksilver so I can call it all mine, mine, so I can do a Daffy Duck. Mine, mine, all mine. Until I grab it, it's still part mine.
    94:13
    He refuses to take the money. It's like, nope, still one. Nope, nope, nope. That would be funny. But that means you still own part of a Dragon Fist. Yeah, and I don't want to. I know. Who the hell owns one and a half Dragon Fists? Like, why? Why? I have one and a half Gammatrons. Oh, I forgot to mention that. I have been testing some new Dragon Fist code. Yeah. Which, as usual, Scott's already told me I'm doing it wrong and et cetera, and I suck, and, you know, as usual. Even though it's videoed. Yeah, even though it's videoed. Well, the bonus behavior is all screwed up. I heard. There's supposed to be a dip switch that either does the bonus the stock way, or it follows the Xs, and it only adds to the bonus ladder if you hit the bank with the Xs. Then there is the other one, which is in his original modified code, the one that's actually at IPDB, which any target gives you bonus. And that's what I had in there originally. Now, the dip switch switches in between those two. But what I found is, well, originally it didn't work at all. It just did weird shit. So he gave me another version. And now it works the stock way. But when I changed the DIP switch, DIP switch 17, it still keeps doing it the same way. Great. To the point where it's like, okay, is my DIP switch not working right? So I swapped MPU boards with Cheetah and played a shitload of Cheetah. It's working great. All the DIP switches, all the settings are correct. so then I the former cheetah MPU I put in Dragon Fist and it still does the exact same thing ah fail Scott but somehow it's my fault it's definitely your fault I already see that it's always my fault wow Scott's gonna do nothing for you anymore he's so mean to me well he hadn't had a good week either did you hear about what happened to him no what happened to him he totaled his car Oh, Jesus. Yeah. All right, forget about the Dragon Fist stuff, Scott. Yeah. Yeah, he hit a mattress on the highway.
    96:19
    And he had nowhere to go. He was on the van. I forget. It's one of the busy roads on Philly. VanSoukel or something. VanSoukel or something like that. It's a weird name. And he had nowhere to go. And so, boom. And he has a small car, which is really weird, too. I cannot imagine Scott in a Ford Fiesta. He's like 6'5". I know. I don't.
    96:40
    Well, you know, and if I keep saying this, he's liable to like, Ron, I just sent you some new code. It fixes everything. I put it in and it locks every coil on and fries the game. It's like, there. Don't you dare talk about me in the podcast again. I feel bad for him, though. So I hope he feels better. He wasn't hurt, supposedly. That's a good thing. That's what Sarah said. Get well soon. Wish you were closer.
    97:08
    Hate that fucking thing. what thing when you're on pin side or you put something up for sale at all it's like why comment to begin with thank you uh so yes so this upcoming weekend i will be in rochesterland 148 we need people come on who wants to be on for 150 maybe we need dr john he's never been on has he never been alone not on our not on our podcast i think he could be I mean, he would bring certain levels of class that we usually don't have, being a doctor and all. Oh, I think we would be the most F-bombs ever. Yeah, actually, hanging out with him at InDesk, he's as crazy as all the other Australians are. Yes, I love it. Yeah, I mean, you would be totally at home in Australia. I really think you would. I think I'd fit right in there. You would fit right in. You would be considered probably a calmer person there. You'd be one of the less crazy people in Australia. Yes.
    98:04
    I come from the land of London. Yeah. Dr. John, if you want to come on. Ooh. And, of course, since you're Australia, we will have to accommodate your time zone. Yes, we would. We'd figure it out. Which hopefully Bruce gets right because he's bad at that. No, Ryan's bad at that. I am not.
    98:24
    Bruce is like, be up at this time. I'm up at this time. Oh, crap. I meant p.m. Ryan's going to display him.
    98:32
    All right. So I think I started the outro like 10 minutes ago, but yes, this was episode 148 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Thanks to everybody out there in podcast land.
    98:44
    Hi, Zach. Have fun with Bonus, all the other podcasts. Okay, I got to go run. And he's got to go. So, okay. Say goodbye, Bruce. Bye, guys.
    99:02
    Oh my, oh my, oh my, you can do it if you try. Oh my, oh my, there is a way to keep you alive. Oh my, oh my. Oh my.
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    Oh my.