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Episode 46: Tribe Member Dave Brennan Joins us to talk Stern and Early Solid States!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Feb 26, 2020
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TL;DR

Dave Brennan joins to discuss his 53-machine collection; Stern teases Heavy Metal contract game; Keith Elwin confirms three designs complete.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 46 features guest Dave Brennan (Tribe Member #9), a serious collector with 53 machines in his Wisconsin basement arcade. The hosts discuss Stern's new Heavy Metal contract game ($8,299.99, chameleon powder coat), Keith Elwin's advanced design pipeline (three games designed, working on a fourth), and upcoming Stern titles including World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with co-op/internet connectivity features. The episode emphasizes Stern's business strategy of targeting different market segments beyond core pinball collectors.

Key Claims

  • Stern released a teaser image for Heavy Metal, a contract game based on 1979 comic/movie IP, priced at $8,299.99

    high confidence · Drew, Scott Ian, Dave Brennan discussing Stern news; confirmed as official teaser release

  • Heavy Metal features chameleon powder coat finish (color-changing effect similar to late 1990s/early 2000s automotive paint)

    high confidence · Dave Brennan explains chameleon powder coat technology from motorcycle customization background

  • Keith Elwin has three games already designed and is working on a fourth in CAD stages

    high confidence · Quote from Keith Elwin on Loser Kid Podcast, repeated in Poor Man's Pinball; also cited by This Week in Pinball

  • World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the next Stern title with planned four-player co-op mode and internet connectivity

    medium confidence · Hosts discussing rumors about TMNT Pinball; described as 'what they say' and 'what the rumors are'

  • Dave Brennan purchased Solar Fire, a rare Harry Williams game (only ~750 made), and traded a rare red-cabinet Jungle Lord to facilitate the deal

    high confidence · Dave recounts acquisition story; Jungle Lord described as ~100 made in red variant

  • Dave Brennan has 40 playable machines on the floor of his Wisconsin basement arcade and 13 project machines in various states of repair

    high confidence · Dave confirms 53 total machines: '40 The Games maxed out on the floor' and '13 project ones'

  • Stern's Heavy Metal game is positioned as a 'contract game' not intended for core pinball collectors, targeting heavy metal fans instead

    high confidence · Hosts emphasize: 'this game is not for you' and 'it's for a different market'; note on profitability and made-to-order production

  • Ryan Kuiper (Tribe Member #1) recently had a baby boy named Elijah Ming Kuiper, nicknamed 'Little Baby Turbo'

    high confidence · Announced as 'personal pinball news' segment; referred to as 'tribe member number zero' or 'number half'

Notable Quotes

  • “Game three is designed already. It's pretty much in the can, and I'm working on game four in the CAD stages.”

    Keith Elwin @ Not specified in content — Reveals Keith Elwin's advanced design pipeline; suggests rapid game development cycle at Stern with multiple titles in parallel development

  • “This game is not for you. No, exactly. It's not for me. Yeah, we should have a warning for all of our listeners. So anyone who's about to bitch and send in hate mail or go to Pinside, yeah, this game is not for you.”

    Dave Brennan and hosts @ Heavy Metal discussion section — Frames Heavy Metal as targeting non-collector market; preemptively addresses community backlash

  • “I have a Stargazer a Quicksilver and a Cyclops and I was like yes yeah it's like well let's go get them he's like what do you mean they're in the back of my truck”

    Dave Brennan @ Early segment — Illustrates Dave's unexpected acquisition of three fully restored The Games machines

  • “I remember when I picked up a Dracula, and I remember I snuck that in the house, and it was easily two months, and she never even noticed.”

    Dave Brennan @ Personal life section — Humorous admission of collector's strategy to acquire machines without spouse knowledge

  • “You need consistent work. The 250 people that are making those The Games every day.”

    Scott Ian @ Heavy Metal business discussion — Emphasizes manufacturing employment and factory workflow as rationale for Stern's business decisions

  • “It's a DMD yeah and that's Papa Duke crazy right well it is crazy especially given you know that we know that DMDs are now more expensive than LCDs”

    Drew and Dave Brennan @ Heavy Metal specs discussion — Notes apparent contradiction of using expensive DMD display technology on high-priced contract game

  • “They're all leaked. Yeah. But World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is next, right? Yep. That's what they say, yeah. They've been saying that for like a year.”

    Hosts discussing game pipeline — Confirms TMNT as next title but notes expectation management/timing delays

Entities

Dave BrennanpersonDrewpersonScott IanpersonKeith ElwinpersonRyan KuiperpersonHeavy MetalgameSolar Firegame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Pricing and market positioning of $8,299.99 Heavy Metal contract game; hosts question sustainability and positioning relative to standard Stern releases

    medium · Discussion of made-to-order production model; comparison to Star Wars Home Edition; acknowledgment that 'not for the pinball collector' represents market pivot

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Core pinball collector community expected to criticize Heavy Metal announcement via Pinside forum; preemptive framing necessary to manage backlash

    high · Hosts explicitly warn: 'anyone who's about to bitch and send in hate mail or go to Pinside, yeah, this game is not for you'

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts acknowledge Stern's manufacturing employment (250 workers) and factory workflow as legitimate business rationale for consistent game production, demonstrating economic understanding

    medium · Scott Ian frames discussion around employment: 'You need consistent work. The 250 people that are making those The Games every day'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Stern deliberately positioning Heavy Metal as non-collector-focused contract game targeting heavy metal enthusiasts, signaling market segmentation strategy beyond core pinball demographic

    high · Hosts emphasize 'this game is not for you' and frame it as targeting different market; acknowledge it's 'good for business' despite collector indifference

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Multiple Stern designers confirmed in active development pipeline: Keith Elwin (3 games designed + 1 in CAD), John Borg (rumored next), Steve Ritchie (game in hopper for 2024)

Transcript

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0:00
Oh yeah, it's time. You've waited a week or more, and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the internet. This week's episode of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Starring Drew and Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:39
I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody to care. Son of a bitch, give me a drink.
0:52
One more night, I'll just can't fit me. I'm a bitch, and I drink and breathe I'm gonna drink my way Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 46. The sloppiest show on the internet. Today we have a guest, Drew. I'm not the guest, am I? You know who the guest is, Drew. I do know, because he's sitting right next to me. In studio, live, in the flesh. tribe member number nine let's give it up for dave brennan dave who will now forever be referred to as number nine tribe member number nine hey number nine what's going on how you doing bud i'm all right how are you guys doing uh living the dream yeah great living the dream drinking a little bit yeah what's new what you drinking there drew uh coconut rum and coke very nice and a lime can't spell coconut rum without coke i'm not i don't know what was this the cubra libre as long as there's a lime in there baby there's a lime that's a cubra libre it's a lime baby yep all right kick ass i am um i'm doing a little bit of uh black label johnny walker johnny walker all that fancy shit i got a lot of it like i said last week i got like a two liter bottle of this shit so might as well keep drinking so we drank all the cheap shit yeah i know the cheap ship's gone what are you drinking dave i have i think it's called a redneck martini it's uh basically miller light with some olives in it oh that's awesome something i learned in minnesota this pretty common thing oh i love that a redneck martini the name says it all yeah you you belong here in the poor man's studio yep And this is why, sir, you are number nine. All right. I brought my own olives and my personalized glass, even. Yeah, his glass does say Dave. Yep, Dave's Dungeon. Is that where your wife sends you when she's mad at you? No, no, that's the name of my arcade. I know, that's where your wife sends you when she's mad at you. Oh, right. Go downstairs, Dave. I was going completely different. I was going the opposite, like a Fifty Shades of Grey thing. Hey, you could do that on a pinball machine, too. some sharp glasses what do you want so for those of you out there that don't know dave brennan was uh well i think most recently you were on the flipping out stream but you're also doing turbo graphic 7 stream right right right so um brian kuiper and i um well i just kind of joined him really uh so brian's the streamer and uh so i i moved from minnesota uh about almost a year ago um and met brian and it's kind of well i think he already told the story on previous episodes so you can look back at that but basically we've made friends nope we're not gonna do that what not today today it's all about short memories baby that's all right so all right Who is this guy, Drew? Short story. Number nine. So I had messaged Ryan asking about places to live around here. And we were supposed to meet up at MGC, but schedules didn't work out or something like that. So we never ended up meeting up. And so I had brought games to MGC. and so basically after the fact i contacted him and said hey you know i want to get together shoot the shit play some games so all right so i went over to his house meeting him for the first time we hit it off played some games and everything and then at towards the end of the night so i was like so uh you want to store some games for me this part is so fucked up i get so mad every time might hear this and uh he's like well how many are we talking it's like well i got i got three of them and like um it's like well what are they i have a stargazer a quicksilver and a cyclops and i was like yes yeah it's like well let's go get them he's like what do you mean they're in the back of my truck and these aren't beat-up project games these are like fully restored Fully restored, nice, beautiful examples. I don't know why you're mad, Drew. Even if someone came up to you tomorrow and said, hey, man, I got a few machines for someone to just take care of. You'd be like, sorry, it's full. Go to Dave's dungeon. So Dave, you got to tell everybody out there now, your dungeon, Dave's dungeon, is quite impressive. I've seen pictures. I haven't been there. Drew, you've been there, right? It is fantastic. I was there when he was setting it up. He had just gotten Alice Cooper. He had five or six games. Yeah, right when the carpet went in. Yep. He had all the other games were just banded up, strapped up. I saw those all lined up. I crammed them into the back room with the furnace and everything.
@ Stern game lineup section
World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesgame
Stern Pinballcompany
Loser Kid Podcastorganization
Black Knightgame
Jungle Lordgame
Dave's Dungeonorganization
This Week in Pinballorganization
John Borgperson
Steve Ritchieperson
Elijah Ming Kuiperperson
George Gomezperson
Matt Danesiperson

medium · Hosts reference 'John Borg up next is the rumor' and 'Steve Ritchie has also said that he has one in the hopper for this year'

  • ?

    announcement: Stern officially teased Heavy Metal, a contract game based on 1979 comic/movie IP with chameleon powder coat finish and DMD display at $8,299.99

    high · Stern released official teaser image; discussed in detail by hosts with pricing and cosmetic features confirmed

  • ?

    product_strategy: Heavy Metal distinguishes itself via chameleon powder coat finish (color-changing effect) as primary visual differentiator; described as 'quite expensive' customization

    high · Dave explains chameleon powder coat technology from motorcycle customization background; notes it's costly but drives appeal

  • ?

    product_strategy: Keith Elwin has three games designed and working on fourth in CAD stages, indicating aggressive Stern design pipeline with multiple titles in parallel development

    high · Direct quote from Keith Elwin on Loser Kid Podcast: 'Game three is designed already. It's pretty much in the can, and I'm working on game four in the CAD stages'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball planned with four-player co-op mode and internet connectivity features; has been announced for extended period with timing delays

    medium · Hosts reference 'what they say' and 'what the rumors are' regarding TMNT features; acknowledge 'They've been saying that for like a year' indicating expectation management

  • ?

    technology_signal: Paradox of using expensive DMD display technology on Heavy Metal despite LCDs now being cheaper; questions about Stern's display platform strategy

    medium · Dave notes 'DMDs are now more expensive than LCDs' and questions why DMD is used; hosts acknowledge 'doesn't necessarily mean it's a DMD' - could be LCD called DATS

    • 6:11
    Yeah, so I moved from Minnesota almost a year ago. And then basically while Ryan Kuiper was holding on to a handful of games that we had streamed over there. But during that time, I was building this arcade in the basement and refinishing everything.
    6:36
    And so it took me probably four or five months to basically get the carpet and everything down, all the electrical done and then uh this is a middle class wisconsin home i'm assuming in the basement with the old concrete walls yep the concrete blocks black wall and now it is this awesome game room that houses how many uh so on the floor is 40 games maxed out 40 games and then i have a total of 53 or what are you doing with the other 13 I have a pile of project ones that are various so how many houses did you have to buy? yeah some of those games I'm sure are working right? yeah yeah well partially working so they just need to be going through these are the 13 crappiest games of a great collection duplicates these are the A- titles no they're all good titles it's just you pull something out of a you know basement or storage place or whatever like um some of them are unknown conditions some of them might be you know somewhat hey i'll pull one out of your basement any day i will not feel bad about that i will i will probably showcase that as my best piece in my house i continue to keep buying them that's the problem what do you uh what do you look for when you buy them is that an artwork thing is it just no game you is it more of a rare thing now yeah so no not necessarily that it's that it's rare um because i do like the weird and rare stuff but um no i've been researching them for quite some time um and you know going to shows and and that kind of thing just kind of figure out what you like and well you know and some of them are are rare enough that you you kind of have to roll the dice and you don't know what it's going to be like until you get it. So I've done some like that before.
    8:49
    You've been in this for seven years now, so I have to imagine everyone's talking about it that lately, I mean, those games come up for sale, you have to jump on them. Oh, sure. You just don't have time. No, and I had to change my strategy from what I... His buying strategy. This is gold, folks. Right, so people ask me that all the time. So, like, how did you come across all these, you know, rare games and everything? And so when I lived in Minnesota, I was the guy, I lived in not Minneapolis. Everybody, you know, they just think Minnesota, Minneapolis. No, I lived in a really small town south of there, almost to Iowa. and I was the guy that would jump in the truck and drive to like Sioux Falls or uh South Dakota or you know Nebraska or whatever um and I would pick these games up whereas now that I moved closer to Chicago Milwaukee area you have to change that strategy where you have to be much quicker um to go after it and also kind of networking and that kind of thing so um just a little different way of doing it yeah just a bit man just a bit get get those games get them in the house one way or the other get them get them down the stairs and when you run out of room make more room yeah that's the secret kids you don't you don't have any in your like dining room or living around do you uh well the the wife only lets me have uh ems upstairs she likes she liked the old americana kind of that that living art piece so you are allowed to have some ems upstairs yeah she likes those so i'll probably have a i don't know maybe maybe just two or three upstairs that begs the question i don't need to get too much into your personal life but I'm going to get into your personal life.
    10:47
    So when you met your wife, was she a fan of pinball, or is this something she's accepted? Well, so no, she grew with me with that. So I kind of met her when I had, I think, one or two games. So she's seen this grow. She's seen the obsession grow. Yeah. All right. No, she's okay with it. Honestly, she doesn't even know what all I have anymore and loses track. Sounds like you might not even know what you have anymore in that many games. No, I remember when I picked up a Dracula, and I remember I snuck that in the house, and it was easily two months, and she never even noticed. Well, I've been saying that forever. I have a small collection, and it's upstairs, meaning our first floor. Oh, right. And, you know, if I sneak them in the house, quote, unquote, my wife never knows. Oh, really? Well, yeah, because she plays very seldomly. They all look the same. Yeah, correct. It's just another machine as long as the rows are the same. And, you know, it is what it is. Right, yeah. But, yeah, having 50, you could always be like, oh, I'm taking this one to get fixed over here. I'm doing this. You know. Yeah, exactly.
    12:06
    Us pinball people, we're such liars to our wives. how much did that cost? $200 barely anything it was on my list it was super rare I got an awesome deal on it those are always the we should write a book called How to Get Divorced Tomorrow yeah divorce in three easy steps and now the moment you've all been waiting for of course i'm talking about the poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news so now it's time for poor man's podcast personal pinball news drew i'm gonna hand this one off to dave because dave just bought a new game what'd you do dave well thanks to ryan kuiper with the assist you guys gotta stop sending me stuff because i just want more and more games it's dangerous i'm in the text group dave and ryan hey hey drew look at this thing it's only like 50 miles from your house secret service i was like yeah i want one of course i want to see no that's that's the fucked up part about it i'm like i'm like yeah that's awesome i never even saw this game before but it looks cool i'm gonna go take a look oh secret service is like the most no eric james bond one yeah that's the coolest no i'm just talking in general but yeah i see i saw that i needed you whatever get it i had it i had the cash i would there's that raven for sale in big ben wisconsin i don't want to talk about it right now it's 1300 bucks i'd rather have the secret service yeah that thing looked real i've never played one but it looks super cool and the sound looks that's matt caning he's got one he does have one yeah what the hell about it so what did you pick up dave well so yesterday i picked up a game i've been looking for for probably five years um it is a really rare williams called solar fire it is the fourth his eyebrows went up when he said that's there it is the so there's there's uh black knight jungle lord pharaoh and solar fire and Solar Fire is the rarest of the four. It's the upper play field games. So these were all like similar layouts? Yeah, and they all had the Magna Save thing. So Solar Fire is the only one that doesn't have voice to it. The other ones say like Black Knight or Pharaoh. This one doesn't say Solar Fire. No, no, it just has sound effects. honestly i don't think i think i've only played i've only seen one once at uh vfw in michigan um clay harrell's place and i i can't remember if i don't i think it was down when i when i was there so why do you think this game's rare well they only made 750 of them i think or in that day that was really low right yeah and um well comparing comparing that to black knight jungle or you know black knight sold a ton um anyway so uh ryan found somebody posted this uh it was like a it's just in south milwaukee here and it was like uh this game was in south milwaukee yeah those are my favorite when they're like brutal there's still there's still a black knight there oh you know what i think i did see that it's called like chino's chino's something or other so what did you pay for said solar fire i don't like to disclose that oh you're one of those guys i'll tell you that's so tacky drew i can't believe you just said that but i'm looking at pictures of this bad boy and i gotta say i am digging the side that bright orange and black oh that is sharp dude so yeah he found somebody posted it on facebook and then so i go there like he posted it just before they closed. So they'd open the next day at 10 a.m. So Ryan's like, oh, you gotta go. Get there early and everything.
    16:16
    It's probably gone. Just relax. So I get there just before 10 a.m. And there's a guy from League there that was waiting when I got there. He knew me when I pulled up. Oh, hey!
    16:32
    It's like, you son of a bitch! It's like, I know what you're here for. So we go in, we check it out and everything. And, you know, I gave him first dibs on it, but it was more than he wanted to spend on it. And so I was like, I will happily spend that. But he was like, well, what do you have in your project pile, you know, that is in the price range that he wanted to spend? so I ended up having to get rid of a rare jungle lord that I had it was the rare red cabinet jungle lord they only made like somebody said like 100 of them or something yeah I saw that one strapped up in your basement the last time I was there so you just got rid of it was super nice but I can find another I'm okay with having a regular jungle lord someday I don't need the real one so that's okay I'll get you some sweet red paint There you go It's just red It's a red cabinet baby It's the red cabinet version It's awesome I don't have any News, pinball news this week No, we're still just I worked this week, I didn't do much Um No, I got nothing Did we get the stuff sent out to the powder quarters? Not yet No, I'm still looking at it all. Okay. So, Laser War right now is on a hiatus until I... Do you find a powder coater around here? I have a powder coater in Racine. Oh, you do? Yeah. Good, good. Yeah, so if you need them, I can hook you up with them. Sweet. But, anyway, other than that, the only other poor man's pinball personal pinball news, personal news, our tribe member number one, Ryan Kuyper, had a baby boy. Way to go, Ryan. That was awesome. Way to go, Sue. This sweet little bundle of joy is named Elijah Ming Kuyper, aka Little Baby Turbo. Yeah, Little Baby Turbo. Little Baby Turbo, tri-member number zero, maybe. Yeah, no, tri-member number half. Yeah, it's in the vetting process right now. We've got to see if this baby's going to like us on Facebook or what.
    18:50
    But that's it. That's news, baby. All right, so let's get into pinball news. Yeah, we got lots. No, not lots, but we got some. a weird week like there was weird there was news i want to talk about this first one because this first one kind of came out of left field it's just weird yes there's news but there wasn't like any other week any one of these news items we would have just cut from the show yeah well yeah if there's like cornerstone stuff to talk about but there's really not because we're kind of waiting you know tpf is going to be the next like big boom when yeah i think everything kind of everybody's holding off until then i think yeah so you guys listening hold on to your butts because here's the news all right stern just released um a teaser image of their new contract game heavy metal based on the 19 crickets it was a 1979 movie okay let's just go around real quick i don't think it's a movie give it yeah it's just uh it's the theme the toys the yeah the comic book sorry they have they have a magazine like heavy metal if you look yeah but there's also a heavy metal movie Right, but I don't think it's based off of the movie. I think it's more of the comic-y type stuff. Whatever, dudes. It's all heavy metal to me, babe. Let's go around quickly, though. Just give one or two thoughts. When you saw this, what was going through your head, Dave? Psh. I don't care. You said, psh.
    20:17
    Yeah, I had kind of the same thought. I was like, oh, huh. I thought it was a joke. It was a contract game, so I guess it is what it is. You know, we talked a lot last week about Stern doing what's good for business, and this is what's good for business. It's not for you. No, exactly. It's not for me. Yeah, we should have a warning for all of our listeners. So anyone who's about to bitch and send in hate mail or go to Pinside, yeah, this game is not for you. No. I did see somebody, I think it was on Facebook. I forget what page it was, but the rumor came out, and everyone was like, what? No. What? No. but there was that one guy there's that one guy who was like yes wait no i'm retheming my black knight to be heavy metal or whatever and he had spent thousands on this well i was gonna say he still sent less money than this guy he was just there oh no i'm retheming tell me it's not true but everyone else was like yeah just say it's not true please you know but so what do we think about the price on that thing though 82.99 hey man made to order baby yeah this is yeah but they say that like you have like choices well they they won't sell many it's kind of like it's sure it's like the high end of ira or the supreme you can't think of it in that that light it's again it's not for the the pinball collector it's for a hardcore heavy metal fan yeah yeah it's it's for a different market they're trying to get into segments of the market that are not us and and all the bitching we do we don't realize they've actually done a really good job with that yeah they've gotten into like every market if you think about it right you know no dude it's it's it's you know if you're gonna at the end of the day whatever they do sell they're gonna make a shit ton of money on each individual game and they're making them make a lot and they say make the order yeah they're probably gonna make 50 of these things and then they're gonna sell 50 then they're gonna make 50 more and they're just going to go out the door the bomb will be low enough because stern's smart and they know exactly what it's it's star wars home edition without the lcd it's a dmd yeah and that's pretty crazy right well it is crazy especially given you know that we know that dmds are now more expensive than lcds yeah drawing the dots isn't easy well not even that but just the physical hardware is more expensive now because dmds are on their way out yeah but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a dmd it could be a little lcd just oh yeah that's i guess i never I never thought of that. They calling it a DMD display because it be DATS baby Yeah DATS Well I think the thing that gonna make it cool is definitely the art I think that been said And then it got this chameleon powder coat that people have been crazy for So what is chameleon powder coat? Well, so I've messed around with that in my restoration and when I did custom motorcycles. Dave is all things pinball. We knew that, and that's why he's on the show. Right. So before pinball, I did custom motorcycles. and so i played around with some chameleon uh powders you can put them in clear coats um but it essentially in a powder coat basically it's a color change um that's like that paint from the late 90s early 2000s on those cars and stuff yep so you can get uh there's one when i i took auto body as well and there's a really cool one called chrome illusion where it would change from like green to purple blue you know basically like sort of like a gas you know like gasoline when you pour gasoline and water whatever oh that rainbow effect yeah the rainbow effect so that's essentially what it is is there anything you can't do dave nope what don't you do well do you speak mandarin no i don't speak any other languages he's so modest but no it's it's it's really cool effect and it is a quite expensive powder coat to do, but is it $8,500?
    24:21
    No. This is not for you, Dave. Your words, not mine. But, no, I see what you're saying. You're right. I mean, they've obviously put some very cool stuff into this, and once again, yeah, if they sell 100 of these or 200 of these, the people are going to be very happy with their product, I'm sure. Oh, sure, yeah. and and let's be honest we were just talking about rare games i mean that's gonna be a rare game oh sure you're not gonna see a heavy metal at your local bar no it won't be in my collection no no no well if it's not dave's collection it is super rare super duper rare but yeah it's just um looking at the specs here it looks like star wars home edition yeah yeah well that's the layout and stuff but um yeah i just heard uh i didn't look too much into that when it first came out the star wars one but they said they were like sharing coils oh yeah so that's how they saved some money where like one coil ran multiple yeah they did that em days too where when you hit a pop bumper like both pop bumpers which would fire at the same sure it was just like a mechanism that ran off of one coil yep or well they both had it but it was like controlled i don't know why it is it's cheaper to do though whatever it is yeah yeah okay yeah so but no i mean it's it's uh it's another stern game that's going to keep them in business for another year and hey it's it's all good it's keeping their lines running that's what i'm saying yeah i'm thinking of it that way sure It's all good. But the Pinside Babies do not think of it that way. They say, wah, wah, where's my $5,000 fill in the blank? You wouldn't be saying that if you were working on the line. It's like, if you're not working, you're not making money. Sure. We don't think about that very often when we're talking about this stuff. You need consistent work. The 250 people that are making those games every day.
    26:15
    So then next up, Loser Kid Podcast threw it out again. Mr. Keith Elwin. Man, they just have a direct line to them. A little bromance there. I'm a little jealous there, Josh, over there at Loser Kids Podcast. They're like, it's a slow news week. I'm just going to call up Keith Elwin and see if he wants to be on today. Number one in the world. What a hat. Yeah, the hat. It's the hat. It's always the hat. So I'm not going to. Keith, we have a cool hat.
    26:41
    It's very cool. We have a couple of cool hats for sale. They're very cool. We'll send you one. You just got to pay for shipping. Yeah, actually. He's got to pay for everything.
    26:53
    Anyway, sorry, Keith. Anyway, we're going to get moving on, as I always say. Moving on. So they had an interview. I didn't listen to all of it. I listened to quite a bit of it, and it was pretty interesting. Also, I would just listen to the Loser Kid podcast. They're really good. Josh is pretty much the best at getting Keith Elwin on for sure, and then also his breakdown on pinball news is pretty damn good. So go and tune into the Loser Kid podcast. But I will say this. I did pick a little line out of the interview, and I think Twip did as well.
    27:31
    So Keith Ego, this is all on future games. Keith, so game three is designed already. It's pretty much in the can, and I'm working on game four in the CAD stages. So he's got three already set. Yeah, no shit. How crazy is that? I mean, I know Stern has their two- or three-year plan. I get that. But that's pretty wild that they're, you know, he's that far ahead. He's like back-to-back game of the years? Well, why don't I just make a third one real quick while I'm here? So that's his, what, 2021 and 2022? God damn.
    28:02
    Poor Scott Denise over there busting his ass trying to figure out something fun to put on a play field. Do we think that three in the can means that we're going to see a Keith Alwyn game this year?
    28:13
    Probably, right? Later in the year? depends on how far along the other part of the development process is sure right that's what i'd say if he's got the rough late depends on what that means if it's the rough layout and he's got it basically the geometry figured out but then all the other stuff needs to be then yeah they can have that done by the end of the year not the coding and all that other stuff and artwork that's that all takes time maybe what do you think though the hardest part is i'm designing a pinball machine the actual geometry or all the all the coding that needs to actually make it a game the real i don't know the answer no i don't know either the real question is though with stern and all the people they have working for them they probably have a shorter development cycle than you know a spooky or even a jjp they also have three other or four other designers too right well that's my that's my point i don't think you're seeing it this year but you're going to probably see it first quarter next year 2021 yeah yeah it depends where other games are in their development cycle. Right. Because, like, you know, it's probably to their best interest to have something ready in the queue. Like, as we've already seen where something isn't selling the greatest, they can, boom, move to the next one. Yes. And keep it going. Well, I mean, Deep Root has, what, 21 games done? Yeah, totally. Well, what do we have? We have Borg up next is the rumor. and then Steve Ritchie has also said that he has one in the hopper for this year. Yep. So those are two more cornerstones for you, baby. But they're going to have at least three, if not four. There's going to be a fourth one somewhere. So who are the other designers?
    29:53
    I don't know. There you go. Gomez? Gomez, maybe. Yeah. But I don't know. He's got his hands full with everything else. Isn't it fun talking out of your ass? We don't know what the hell we're talking about. You heard it here first, folks. We're talking out of our ass. Well, I will say that they've been really good about keeping things secret. I don't think anybody knew about this last heavy metal one. No, but have any of the non-Cornerstone games been leaked, though?
    30:26
    Do you think that's just because it's a secret? Well, Elvira, that was known a long, long time. Correct. Yeah, I guess. They're all leaked. Yeah. But World of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is next, right? Yep. That's what they say, yeah. They've been saying that for like a year. No, you were just expecting it sooner. Yeah, maybe. It's happening. I don't know. What about the co-op mode and the four-player mode? That's what the rumors are. Sounds kind of fun, right? It sounds awesome. And internet connectivity. Yeah, we're going to need to find more friends to play that game. Yeah. Well, they said you might be able to hook up with other people on the Internet to do it that way. So that would be interesting to see how that all works out. Well, it's the only way that you could beat the arcade version of Turtles. Yep. That and free play, baby. Yep. Credit, credit, credit, credit. Cowabunga. I remember playing that at Yogi Bear one summer. My parents were pissed when I told them I put 50 bucks into Turtles. Oh, yeah, dude.
    31:26
    That and Mortal Kombat. Yep. yeah i went to uh yeah campsites and up north wisconsin but yeah it was for boy scouts that everyone was supposed to be doing and getting like badges and exploring it was in the caves it was the eagle caves so we were sleeping in caves but it was like in winter and we were supposed to be out there like doing boy shit and exploring caves and but they had an arcade and they had a moonwalker they had an x-men four player and then they had a street fighter 2 hyper fighting which i had never seen before and i was hooked that thing i'll blow your hair back when you first see it so street fighter was basically i was like give me all my money that my dad gave me you know that was supposed to be for like real shit and i was like nope these are quarters now so street fighter it was baby the amount of money those games made one quarter at a time even you know one quarter two quarters it's just cranking them in there that's They ate money. Oh, dude, yeah. Would have been nice to have been an operator back then, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. Jesus. And you talk about pinball and all these parts, but yeah, those arcade games, nothing to break. I mean, yeah, occasionally you've got to change a joystick or a button, but who, you know. Oh, yeah, dude, they were built pretty solid. Yeah. They're still going today. Yeah. A lot of them are. No, that's pretty wild. All right, so Scott Denise, he was on Canada last week. He was. That was a very cool interview. Yeah, it was nice. I always like listening to Scott. He's just such a unique character and such a good person for pinball. He is. What's lovable about Scott is the fact that he could make amazing games, and that could be the direction he wants to take his life. But he's like, nah, I'm kind of happy at pinball life. I find that very interesting. Doing the engineering, and I'm helping out more people that way. He is doing really good work there, though. It's more fulfilling for him. Because, yeah, he's recreating old parts, which I think is very neat. So I sent him the schematic to LaserWarp. I said, go to town, brother. Can't find any of this shit. Make me all these parts, please.
    33:30
    Oh, man. But the interview was really good. They talked a lot about kind of what he likes, what kind of games does he like, how does he take that and design Rick and Morty. Dave, I assume you played Rick and Morty? Yep, at Eric's. So the one that we play at Eric Pripke's house is the Whitewood, So the geometry is off. So we're not getting the full experience because there's some stuff that's been tweaked. So this has like 3D printed ramps and like hand-bent metal guides and things like that. So you get the basic feel, but there's no printing on any of the inserts. And it doesn't move quite the same because it's not a cleared play field. But you get the idea.
    34:16
    It is what everybody says. It's basically like TNA 2.0. Sure. You can longer ball times, but it's got some really cool shots.
    34:28
    The light show and stuff is really cool. Oh, yeah. So I've only bought two new in-box games ever, and one was TNA and the other was Alice Cooper. So I am a big fan of Spooky. However, I am not on this one. It's just kind of dragging my feet a little bit.
    34:50
    Yeah. It's all right. How do you like TNA? TNA, I think, is probably more... It's definitely more fun of a multiplayer game. Okay. I mean, not that you can't have a lot of fun with it on your own, but I think he really did a nice job with doing those co-op modes.
    35:13
    It's a fun party game, and that's what he built it for, really. it's sort of like the inspiration was playing dollar games on EMs and stuff with his friends. Sure. No, it is very cool that way. But, yeah, what a great game that is. But, yeah.
    35:31
    Yeah, but Rick and Morty, if you're a fan, that game is just awesome. Yeah, so they should be shipping. They should be. They're on location. In Madison they had that stream. Yes, they did. So they got one. They're going out. So, yeah, they're going out and, you know, pretty soon we'll be seeing unboxings on Pinside. So also on other news, I saw today that Kaneda broke a rib.
    35:58
    I'm sorry, Kaneda, man. I just want to wish you a speedy recovery. We love you over here at the poor man. Chris, is there a good story behind that or did you just slip and fall? Because if that, I feel bad. But if there's like I want to hear some great story behind that, like you were doing something. and yeah i assumed he was working out or he was racing his car and he took a he was drifting too hard tokyo style i don't know chris make up a really fun story so when you do podcast next we get to hear it or at least send us a message yeah just tell us what really happened yeah brenda broke you yeah brenda beat me up domestic violence is never funny kids i wasn't saying it domestically violently i was saying domestically sexually we just changed gears here folks sorry sorry well after our fucking friday from two weeks ago put your kids to bed people are used to it whatever we need to add some porn music in right there love letter a little love letter music sorry i just felt we were a little stale i had a guy to spice it up a bit whatever whatever that's cool um i put american pinball down for for news just because i wanted to get what updated i just I just wanted to get updated takes from you two on the Hot Wheels theme. Because we really haven't done much on the Hot Wheels theme. It's been talked about so long now, I just want to see something. Just show me something.
    37:20
    Historically, though, you could look at just generic car themes, right? Like a getaway or high speed, right? Yeah. So if the thing has some kick-ass ramps and some cool rules to it, I think it might work. You don't know. It could just be a generic kind of Hot Wheels type of thing, but if you've got a really cool layout, it might work. But are people going to go nuts for it like Rick and Morty? Probably not. And we've been saying that. That's the problem. No, if it's a fun game, I'm one of those people, yeah, I'm going to play the shit out of it. I love fun games. But now people in their houses, they need to have themes that they enjoy. Yep. Well, that's just today's standards, I think. It's just the original themes. They'll sell some, but they're not going to sell nearly as well as something recognizable. So is American Pinball really selling games for the 90s? Correct. Well, because back to your... They probably would have done better in the 90s. You mentioned Getaway. Getaway is a great pin.
    38:32
    But if they brought that thing out today, it would flop, right? Yeah. You know, people would be like, oh, it's a generic car theme. It's got an LCD. It's cool. Indy 500 is kind of just generic racing or NASCAR. I mean, NASCAR is a brand, but, you know, it's, you know, what is it, Mustang? And there's plenty of car themes. Corvette. Yeah, Corvette. Corvette, there's plenty of car themed out there. But Corvette and Mustang is a specific brand. I was going to say, and the people who own Corvettes and Mustangs, they have the money to buy a pinball machine. I can just see a decked out garage where they have the actual Mustang or Corvette collection. I can just see the checkerboard floor or whatever. And then they have that pin. Yeah, and then they have it there. But then Hot Wheels. Yep. Is that going to be in their garage? I totally agree. Maybe in the kids' play area off to the side in their cool garage. But if you're spending anything in some kids' playroom, you ain't buying a pinball machine for them, kiddos. No, there's too many unknowns. There's something. Maybe. I don't know. And who knows? Maybe it's not Hot Wheels. Rumors have been wrong before.
    39:46
    Oh, maybe it's a code name for something. Uh-huh. Yeah. Like Scott Denise's Haunted House Party. Right. or the Jaws. What was it, Jaws? Oh, yeah. How do you like to be those five guys that really wanted Scott Denise's house party? Oh, no, there are some guys. Damn it. What do you mean, this Rick and Morty? Well, for the record, Scott Denise has said it many times. He's like, I will never put my name on a game. Yeah, well. You know, he's a humble guy.
    40:12
    That's clue one. So, anyways. Fuck that, Scott. You're crazy. American Pinball, I'm not pooping on you. I want to see it. Show me what you got. Show me your hand. Still on an Oktoberfest. Yeah. Anyway. Ian's going to get that someday. It's going to happen sooner than later. So, you know, it just reminded me, Dave reminded me when we got down here, that Kaneda had a bunch of rumors. And we don't need to go into all those rumors, but I will give Kaneda credit on these. What did you think about the Transformers rumor that they're, I don't know, vaulting it to a sense, right, with the comic art? Yeah, re-theming to, like, the G-Men. I think, given how iconic that theme is, they would be dumb not to do that. It's so. Oh, my God. Because that game, I think that game sold pretty well. Well, they already did it with Spider-Man and the Star Wars one more recently. That Star Wars one, that was night and day difference, too. Well, right. And how many people dumped their... You saw them almost immediately dumping those Star Wars to go get the comic one. Yeah. So if you did the Transformers and you rethemed it cartoon from the 80s. Yeah. Forget it. I mean, that's because the one I've played that the one a couple of times and it's it's an OK game. It's fine, but it didn't bring me back to my childhood. Right. Like like when I play Ghostbusters and you hear that that iconic music when you plunge. Yeah. That brings you back. That's the that's the new Transformers that you didn't grow up. Correct. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of like if they came out with Turtles and they did the new Turtles movie. Oh, I will go to Stern. I will riot. I will burn the shit to the ground. It needs to be. Channel 4 News, here. One white dude sitting outside of Stern yelling with his shirt off and he's drunk. Bring me back my turtles.
    42:12
    Give me the turtles. Rabble, rabble, rabble. Sorry, bro. I'm not burning stern to the ground. Don't anyone call the police.
    42:23
    We're at four something. I'm not going to give it to you. You were not even close. Well, I'm looking forward to the Turtles one. I was a huge Turtles fan. Would that be a buy for you? Would that be something you might be interested in? No, I don't have it. Mr. Salad State?
    42:39
    Secondhand, probably. The question is, are you saying you don't have the money? Or you don't? Because you do have the money. You have a thousand machines. Yes. You have more machines in your garage not being played than I have down here being played. Yes, that's true.
    42:56
    So it comes down to, like, so my collection now is I have to really think hard about what I have to give up. Because everything that I have in there, I want it there. Basically, I've collected every single game that I've ever wanted, and then some. I'm struggling with that with six pins in my collection. I was just going to say, he must come to my basement and be like, his dick must get so soft.
    43:26
    I have six pins. I have Jurassic Park on the way. I have to get rid of one. So I'm kind of in this dilemma. But I always think to myself, well, if I was Dave, yeah, I could just get rid of one. I wouldn't even know it was gone. And Dave's like, nope, they're all my babies. There's a reason why I took that one from that one in his garage. It's funny how that works. But yeah, I get it, man. No, it's awesome. It is cool. But it has to be, sometimes you're just like, yep, I haven't played this in a while. And it's time for it to go. Yeah, and it could come to that. So if Turtles ended up being really awesome, you know. It will. My fingers are crossed. I started looking at it in this respect where there are some that I could probably cut loose knowing that they made a ton of them. And I could easily get another one. Right. You know. So it's not that – so like some of the DMD games that I have aren't super rare. They're just some of my favorites. There you go. Yeah. You like what you like, man. Yeah. That's how it works.
    44:33
    And now it's time for everyone's favorite top five. All right. Top five early solid states. Our top five early solid states. Does that make sense? Pre-DMD? Early solid states or pre-DMD? Does that include alphanumerics and system 11s? Oh, I don't know. I didn't get that far. I wouldn't include those. Because that was kind of the thing. Because I said solid states before DMD. But yeah, we can do early solid states. And I just got to make like one or two adjustments. Yeah, I did. I did my latest one is 85 maybe. Yeah, I had two. So what is that? I had two alphanumerics. I guess I don't know enough about this shit.
    45:15
    Yeah, so. So is Cyclops considered early solid state? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Everything before alphanumeric. Basically, yeah. So when you start getting into the alphanumeric, you start getting into the. All right, guys, ready for top fives. Do you want to kick us off? Let's go alphabetical. Drew and Dave and then me. That's not alphabetical. Nope, not at all. But we'll go around the horn. You guys can't see me, but here I am. We go around the horn So we start with number five Number five yep And go for it You know what I will say this with my top five list just real quick These are the only games I played I know there are probably games that are better. Yes. But I felt like I was cheating for whatever reason. That's what I struggled with. But fortunately, I played a couple of really cool games at Dave's house that are on my list. All right, cool. But yeah, I'm with you. So everything I picked were games I played. You guys might yell at me and be like, oh, come on, dude. But I played them. So these are the ones I played. All right, Drew, go for it. Number five. Number five, one I played at Dave's house. It's a brutal ass-kicker of a game. I actually had a pretty good game on it, and Dave was impressed with me when I was there, and I played it. Flash Gordon. I'm looking for one for myself. Flash Gordon, number five. That's a good – It's fun. It's an ass-kicker. It makes you play better, and cool game, lots of shots, lots of stuff to do. There's drop targets. There's a couple of ramps. Still in the top 100 of the Pinside 100. Yeah, no, it's a good game. It's a cool game. Yeah. What did you think of my flash cord? It's beautiful. I wanted to have sex with flash cords. Does that sound weird? You got a good one? It's restored to the nines. I did the cabinet, the play field, everything. Of course you did. And so I don't think we covered this, but so I was a part of the reproduction aprons for early valleys. So I was one of the partners on that. And so we did a flash cord. and it was really cool where I actually got to meet Sam Jones and have him sign some of these aprons, so that was really cool. Fuck, yeah.
    47:17
    Well, in my basement I do have a poster of Flash Gordon, the movie poster, just because I'm a huge fan. So if you're listening, we all want to fuck Flash Gordon. Flash Gordon, number five. All right, Dave, what do you got? I have Centaur. Ooh. So I think that's a really cool game. It's, I believe, five ball, multi-ball. It's got the black and white. Which is crazy, right? Yeah. For that time? Yeah. It's got this whole subway kind of system that kind of shoots the ball out from underneath the play field.
    47:51
    But yeah, black and white artwork that's just crazy. Almost as good as Franchi's black and white artwork. Almost. We love you, Franchi. but uh yeah that one's really cool where it's uh you know getting multi balls left and right yeah i played it for the first time at expo fucking cool very cool game i was like ah so that's centaur and jason fowler was playing it when we walked up and met jason fowler it has the cool echo effect on it kind of a creepy reverb yeah uh say it again board on it love it all right My number five, number 77 on Pinside's Top 100, released in 81. You know it. I love it. Flash Gordon.
    48:38
    Drew, are you my best friend? We are. We are best friends. All right. We can keep going. All right, Drew. Number four. Number four is one that I actually own. I've had this game a while now. I enjoy it. It's Laser Q. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's got a good rule set. It's a fun game. It's got the spinner. It just has everything going for it. It's just a neat, neat game. Shooter's game. What do you like about it? Well, you know, you've got to get the drop targets in order. So it's like, you know, it's an accuracy game. Ooh. You know, the spinner, the sounds on there are very cool. I still got to play it. I haven't been over to play the football machines. Shit, I've had that one for a while. I know. Bad friend. Yeah. So, no, that's one game I just kind of keep going back to. Dave, do you have a Laser Q? Nope, I do not. Oh, shit. I know. There you go, bro. I got one that Dave doesn't have. Fuck. Because my other three solid states, Dave has all of them. Yeah.
    49:33
    What's the mirror image or the partner? Oh, Alien Poker. Yeah, so those two were made within a year of each other, and then they kind of just swapped. Rethemed it. Yep, they swapped cards for pool balls, and then one has drop targets in a spot where one has stand-ups, but it's basically the same game. And most people say LaserQ is the better game.
    49:58
    All right, then I got it. Number four, I have a really rare one. It is a Stern Stargazer. So this one has been sort of gotten, early Sterns have gotten a lot of hype lately. Yeah. And this one I pulled out of Lincoln, Nebraska, of all places. and i i actually i still have and i will do i've been planning to build a stargazer from scratch and so that's one of my projects they want to finish like yeah rewind that event yeah you and i look at each other like wait a minute you can't just glaze over that what do you mean you're building one from scratch yeah you're gonna do the cabinet and the whole thing so i just bought a reproduction playfield. But you own one. I know, but I didn't at the time. So before I owned one, I bought the playfield, I bought all the parts and pieces I would need to do it. What are you doing with that piece of shit one? You want to get rid of it? When Drew says piece of shit, it's a super nice situation, by the way. Eventually, the second one will get sold off. So that's the goal. But anyway, so... You couldn't afford it, Drew. As I got all this stuff, This one popped up for sale, a guy in Nebraska.
    51:21
    And so I messaged him, and he's like, I got a couple guys that want me to ship it. It's like, you're just in Minnesota or whatever. And he's like, well, I'm coming up to Des Moines for a Metallica concert. He's like, you want to meet me there? I was like, fuck yeah, I do.
    51:41
    So yeah, I picked up that one, but I ended up restoring everything. put a new play field in it, you know, rebuilt everything. So essentially it's fully restored except the cabinet is original. Okay. All right. My number four is something that actually you own, Dave. It was yours.
    52:05
    I played it over at Ryan Kuyper's house. It's one of the ones you were babysitting. Actually, most of the ones on my list are the ones at Ryan Kuyper's house that he was babysitting. But Quicksilver. Never played it. played it over at ryan's and i fell in love with that game that game it helped that my first game was really good i had a really good first game on it but besides that i dig the artwork big time i think the artwork just pops it just it's so bright and vibrant i wish more arcade or more pinball had that dicks those neon purple just beautiful penises wait what dicks no i i have like i Well, Falick is my middle name. The inspiration actually came from a heavy metal comic book. All right. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. There was an issue where it was some alien thing, and that's where it came from.
    52:59
    But yeah, super cool layout on that one. Number 80 on Pinsize, top 100, 1980. It's awesome. All right, Drew. Number three, we have another one that's in my collection.
    53:13
    Laser Q might go someday, but this one is not. Firepower, Steve Ritchie's classic. Oh, that's a great one. The game's just fun. There's nothing more to say about it. That one, I've actually been playing the most lately out of my collection, and I'm getting ready to restore it. It's just a cool game. Dude, we've got to hook you up with the custom ROMs on that, too. Yep. They have the custom ROMs, and you can do all kinds of stuff with it. It gives you objectives for the multi-ball. Yeah, instead of just going one, two, three. Right, right. Because that part's kind of lame, to be honest, but the rest of the game is just awesome. That was one of the faults because they filled up all the memory on the ROMs. So if you do the custom ones, it basically expands that, and now you have objectives to shoot for. Yeah, for you guys who don't know, when you get multi-ball, the balls just shoot out. There's no ball save. You lose three balls, you're done. It's just kind of like, you know. Well, there's no extra points or anything. Yeah, there was nothing for. No. Yeah, there's no reward for doing it. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, but no, but super cool game, fun game.
    54:20
    You know, Steve Ritchie doing his demonic voice as he does in most of his games. God bless you, Steve Ritchie. We love it. So, cool game. All right. Dave, you're number three. All right. Number three for me is Valley Fathom. I know it's probably a cliche one, but there's a reason for it.
    54:41
    That game is super fun. It has, I believe, is that two? No, three ball, multi-ball that you can get out of it.
    54:52
    And I think just the art package, everything, I mean, I think this has been talked to death. I mean, I know a lot of people love that game. But, again, this one I restored, and I did something really special on this one. I painted all the cabinet with UV reactive paint.
    55:17
    We're thinking about doing that on the Laser War, by the way. It's cool. Scott, we need your UV kit. Yeah, no doubt.
    55:26
    Yeah, I didn't put Fathom for that reason. That's why I did the whole announcement before Because I had not played Fathom yet So when I come over I want to play it so bad Because just from Straight to the Middle had a review on it And just all of my knowledge On Fathom I am 100% just in love with the look of the game It's a beautiful game And I know that Chris Franchi Has even been on record saying that That's one of his favorite art packages And he would love to do something similar in a game. It is one of the most stunning art pieces in pinball. It just is. I think we should start a crusade. Back in the 90s when Conan O'Brien had his show on NBC, he would do he had this big crusade about re-releasing Dirty Dancing on re-releasing Dirty Dancing for the movie theaters. and he would just play clips. We need to do something similar to that, but for Creature of the Black Lagoon. We need a reboot. We need a remade Creature from the Black Lagoon Franchi art.
    56:40
    Designed by, I don't care, Keith Elwin, whoever wants to design it. But we need to start thinking about doing that because I think we need to get... And Franchi is a Creature fanatic. You could do that Fathom layout with a Creature. I don't even give a shit. Yeah, very cool. I think we need to start doing a crusade for Creature Pen. You know what? He should talk to CPR, Classic Playfield Reformation. Oh, they're doing that now. Right, so they're doing the custom work, so maybe he could do something with them. And if he came up with an art package, say, for a game that they made tons of, like say it was Flash or something. Yeah, there's a lot of them out there. Watch how much Flash would spike. Because people would buy these new play fields and plastics and everything, and boom, you have a crazy creature from the Black Raccoon or something. Yeah, you get a little percentage each one they sell. Yeah, because all those games that don't have a lot of speech or whatever, you can do whatever you want. Right, exactly. We had so many ideas, Franchi. Yeah. Boom. There you go. Get with us. All right, so that was your number three. My number three is a game I've played a few times, And I got to admit, I don't even know if I really like how the game plays. But for whatever reason, when I walk by it, I need to play it because it's just so stunningly beautiful. And it's Gorgar. Mr. Gorgar, the devil himself almost.
    58:05
    Yeah, just a stunning art package. I just love the back glass. It screams to me, especially when they're nice and shiny like the one at MGC was last year. That was mine. Remember that one? That was yours? Yeah. That was your Gorgar? Uh-huh. Stunning. It was a stunning Gorgar. It was beautiful. I think I went back to that one more than any other game on that. Was it last year or the year before? It was last year.
    58:26
    Okay. So I brought a restored one the first year that MGC was at the Wisconsin Center. Okay. Yeah, this was last year. Oh, okay. So maybe not yours. Well, regardless, when that game is beautiful, it just speaks to me. The colors. and when I play it, I suck at it, but it doesn't stop me from pressing the start button one more time. So number three, Gorgar. Awesome. All right, Drew, number two. Number two. We just talked about it, but Fathom. Like I said, I only have one or two games on it. Played it at Dave's house. It is a fun game. People who say the game's not that great, but the art, I mean, it is a good game, especially for that era and stuff. you know you got to temper your expectations a little bit with that whole era because the games are so you said yeah due due to memory and all kinds of things i mean they had limitations they're designed a specific way too just that's just how pinball was at the time which is totally fine but the fact that you know i can push the start button on my firepower every day and whatever that's just testament to what kind of games these are though they are fun to play so yeah fathom it's it's a cool game and and well on the other side of that coin is you know they cost five or six thousand dollars so there's a reason why fathom's that much that's what i mean it's like that that's the cost of literally a brand new you know pro so yeah they're getting getting crazy now i mean especially now that uh you got play fields and plastics and back glasses everything when that stuff becomes available i mean heck i did the aprons um me and my partner did uh the fathom aprons i can tell you that and eight ball deluxe sold the most oh really deluxe is another one yeah pops up all the time it's a beautiful game yeah it's i mean i i own a couple of those um but honestly and i wouldn't mind having one eventually like they don't make a super nice one but it i think that one probably gets hyped more than than anything because it they made a ton of them um but yeah i think fathom is probably one of the best from from 81 so all right number two dave number two for me is a really rare one uh zacharia robot so this one i took to x expo um and we streamed stream that one oh i did play that one yeah you did yeah that was a cool game man and the little robots that pop up yeah so they had like i was really fucked up but dude that was a lot of fun yeah they had crystal gemmich gemmich gemmich yeah she was there she kicked my ass on that game good job crystal but anyway go for it so yeah it had those um they're like drop targets but they're like cylinder shaped robot heads that pop out of the play field and so It was a very simplistic rule set, but it's hard to master it. Man, we were playing that for like, it seemed like until, I don't know, probably 2 a.m. or something. I feel like, yeah, you guys are streaming for a while. I blacked out for a while. I don't know what happened. Oh, I know what happened. I'm still blacked out from Expo. We don't need to go into that. But yeah, dude, Robot's a good game, man. Yeah, it is fun. The art package, so like the Italians, they went nuts on their art packages. and Robot is right up there with one of the better RPGs. How many of those did they make?
    62:00
    I'd have to look it up. Do you know? Okay. I don't know. I was just curious. It's not their super rare, like if... I'm sure it's rare here, though. It is. It is. I think with a lot of the European manufactured games, a lot of those ended up here, I believe, when a lot of re-importing was happening in the 90s. So they just kind of got mixed in with the container load.
    62:31
    Actually, that one got shipped. That's the only game I think I've had shipped from Europe. Oh, okay.
    62:41
    Perfect. My number two, Stargazer. For whatever Dave said, I don't even remember. it was a while ago but uh i picked it because i love the layout i thought the layout was super fast and fun and uh the art package whenever the art package like for me the back then those all the art packages like just they're just so beautiful sounds the sounds on that are amazing yeah because it was like it was like playing a modern game as far as the sounds go though i remember that but the but the the art and and when when the game shoots really good really well.
    63:18
    Yeah, it's going to be up there for me. So, Stargazer. 100%. Awesome. Alright, you're number one? Number one. So,
    63:28
    most people probably aren't going to agree with me. And, once again, this may not be the best solid state of all time, and it's not. But, for me... He was going to say Jurassic Park. Fucking asshole. But, for me, it holds It's a special place in my heart because this is the first solid state I've ever played. Okay. So that's kind of why. Here's an emotional man of yours I found out. Yeah. He's all heart.
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    You know, and recently, I actually almost bought one of these recently, so I wish I would have, but Space Shuttle from Williams. Oh. Because, you know, it's just got, you know, it's just a cool game. It's got the, you know, it was one of the first games to incorporate like a toy on the play field. Yeah. You know, it didn't do much to anything, but just a cool game. and a fun layout and a lot of cool inserts on there. Yeah, it's just a neat game. Yeah, very cool. If you find one, they've got hard tops. Yeah. No, and what did I buy instead? I think actually when I got you. Firepower. No, your stars. Oh, right. I bought a stars from Dave recently, and a couple days before that I was talking to a guy about a space shuttle, and then he ended up selling it or something that day. They made a bunch. You'll find another one. Oh, no, I know they're out there. And Drew, there's no wrong answer for the top five, brother. Oh, no, there are a few wrong answers. Well, we've seen that in the past. Yeah. In this one, no. No, it's a solid state. It's a fun game. It is. Yeah. So. All right, Dave, you're number one. I'm curious. Yeah. So this is. Yeah, we need a drum roll for this one. Dave's number one solid state. Number one.
    65:05
    It's game plan, Cyclops. That game is phenomenal. Cyclops. Yes. So I had the, well, Ryan and I both had the fortunate, you know, being able to take this to Expo and be able to stream it for the Meet the Media event. And it was really cool where Roger Sharp actually came and explained the rules and that kind of thing and played a couple games with us. Did he sign the apron for you? I had him sign the card. Oh, beautiful. I didn't want him to sign the card. Don't fuck up my Cyclops, Roger.
    65:45
    Well, the coolest props, I guess, to me, because I restored that game. Yeah. And when he was looking at it, he was like inspecting the play field. Nice. And he's like, damn, this looks nicer than the game I have at home. Ah.
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    Which, you know, the game that he got, he took it right from the assembly line to his house. Sure he did. um so that was really cool yeah uh and anyway so besides that the game alone just the geometry of it and you know you talk about like um scott denisey didn't come up with the the pop bumper slingshot thing that was game plan thing that was a roger charp are you dissing scott on their podcast absolutely fuck you scott right so so that was in that was in cyclops but then also the geometry of how he had the drop target banks and how those were positioned.
    66:47
    It's a two-ball, multi-ball game. Then he had targets behind the drop targets. Instead of it being eight drop targets, it doubled to 16 targets. and so it basically he he threw with the technology available at the time he threw everything in this game it even has a school bell on the inside of it which was really cool so some of the like the williams games had those yeah laser q has one of those and then it had some like cool lighting features with uh relays to flash yeah great game they still can't spell but it's a great game no it is it they spelled it right it's the plural of cyclops so cyclops and then so it looks like cyclopes but the plural is the es yes i just call it cyclops with an e well the joke is they did it because they wanted one more drop target that's just kind of the running gig oh yeah that could be it you know so but uh no it is a cool game it's fun yeah the little pop bumper for the sling i mean it's it's awesome it really is it's a beautiful game too um my number one is cyclops with an e as well actually kind of funny how we did that but uh i did it on the just the pure i was able to play dave's over at ryan kuypers and i was surprised by the ballsy layout i just was with the pop bumper and the sling that alone is more ballsy than 99.9 of the solid states in that area you do have to adjust your play style a little bit i just thought that was the coolest thing and playing it even with like ryan trying to explain he's in my ear he's trying to explain the rules and all this stuff and i'm just ian not ian not big on the rules to fuck off me ryan i trying to kill this thing and he like you not trying to kill a Cyclops man I like I going to kill this fucker But no anyway I love the game And I went to Pinside They don't even have enough reviews on the thing yet. I actually have it in the top 100, which. Well, he made like 400 of them. I know. So I guess I just felt very privileged, too, when I was doing a little research on it. Because I love my top fives, and I take them seriously. Drew knows this. Wait, what?
    69:05
    So, but yeah, no, that's just how it went. I was looking Alien Star was on my list too but it didn't make my top 5 it was probably number 6 that was another game I really really liked that's one of my honorable mentions I actually made a top 10 Paragon is also almost hit my top 5 you don't have a Paragon do you David? actually I do oh it's locked up in the so a friend of mine has 3 Paragons and I restored 2 Paragon play fields one of one of them is mine and so he's got it partially together so eventually i will have a restored paragon there you go of course you do of course i love it what are some of your other uh mentions there because i i dave is the authority on this stuff because he he has a lot of them he's worked on a lot of them so um so uh after number five was centaur so number six i had Skateball. Okay. Seven was Magic Castle, Zacharia. Good one. Damn. That's a good one. Salt in the Wound. It's a good one, though. It is. I really like that. Eight was Gamitron. That's a pin star. Never played that one. It's basically, it's a standard body Flight 2000. Oh, okay. It's really cool.
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    And then Quicksilver. And then Sea Witch. Sea Witch was on my honorable mention. The other one, Sorcerer.
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    Sorcerer's artwork. Yeah, it's a good-looking game. It's the artwork. That Sorcerer looks freaking wicked. Yeah, it's a cool game. I'm a softie for artwork. I would love to have that back glass on my wall. That's a really cool back glass. Yeah, it's a sharp-looking machine. All right, well, that was our top five, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed it, and we're going to keep going. We've got other things to talk about.
    71:05
    Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe.
    71:20
    Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Right now, yeah! Alright, ladies and gentlemen, here we go. It is time for the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Tribe. Here we go. Tribe member number 17.
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    Drew, do you want to go? Do your guy, Drew. Ready? Number 17. Joseph Hood. Joseph Hood, welcome to the tribe, brother. Joseph Hood is a guy who contacted me months ago. We went out on a little man date. We had a lot of fun. We got drunk. We played some pinball. Joseph Hood is from Kansas City. He emails us a lot. I enjoy it. Joseph Hood, you're in the tribe, brother. He is in the tribe. Joseph, welcome. Welcome, welcome. You are officially, you have lost your Christian name of Joseph Hood. You are now number 17. Hi, number 17. Nice to meet you.
    72:18
    All right, you ready? Welcome to the tribe. What do we got, number 18? Number 18. Oh, my God, 18. Totally illegal.
    72:26
    Number 18 is Chris Haper, clearly. Mr. Brickshot himself. We've got to have Chris Haper on because he has supported us from day one. Actually, he is the very first person, Drew, that recognized us as the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. We were at MGC. He stopped us while we were in line for Al Scooper. To be fair, he's the only person that recognizes us as the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Most people do now. But he was the very first. And you know what? And he gave us so many different words of advice. He didn't even talk about that he was part of Slap Save. yeah we knew he was yep i remember he gave us great advice he said you know keep it under 45 minutes get to the point and we haven't listened to any of that advice i've listened we just have been working towards it we're we're on our way chris we are working towards it but more importantly to help kind of promote our brand he is now doing brick shots he is so no appreciate it chris so chris welcome to the tribe you're mr number 18 tribe member uh joseph and and chris we are going to be sending you invites to our secret group our facebook group which is a fun fucking group number one and number two uh we're also going to be donating ten dollars in your name to project pinball so chris haper joseph hood welcome to the tribe welcome brothers and speaking of chris let's get into that brick shot shut up and sit down oh what you fellas drinking tonight What's up, it's Kid Chris-o And I got your brick shot, oh yeah Listen fellas I've been kinda doing a little trolling myself Looking at some of these Threads on pin side The Big Lebowski Pre-Order Club Yeah You got some guys on there What, pinball dutchie? More like pinball douchey Dude, you know what's going on With Barry And Dutch Pinball I mean, the story in the saga has been going on, what, five years now? Come on, give the guy a break. Give Barry a break. He is the only solve to his problem. You got to step back, let him do his thing. He might not post every day and let you know what's going on up to the minute. But goddamn, man, he's trying to make everybody whole. Yeah, I think it's kind of douchey that he's charging 12.5. But you know what? It's a good game. If you want to play, you got to pay. You know, Ranesh is in the thread. He's just kind of chiming in here and there what he knows. I can't figure out if Ranesh is still kind of with Dutch or without Dutch. If he's helping Barry, he's not helping Barry. But it sounds like when you read through Ranesh's post, he's trying to do the right thing and kind of ease the tension a little bit. Let you know a little bit about what's going on. So get the fuck off his lawn. And then you got London Bridge Pinball. Come on, dude. Falling down? Ask Renesher Cointaker. They're knee deep in this fraud. Man, what's wrong with you guys? You fucking trolls. That's all it is. You're just trolls. Listen. Hey, Barry. Why don't you do yourself a favor? Why don't you post a little bit more on your Instagram? You know what? Better yet, why don't you send Ian? a message hey i want to do a little interview with you guys this is a poor man's pinball podcast it's perfect forum for you let's see where things are at as you get later in the thread you know there are some questionable things what is the timeline how are we performing and how are you going to make people whole let's see the plan how's it line out you know i know you're kicking out games here and there i assume maybe you're trying to build up a nest egg so you and buy parts at a smaller price, maybe in a bigger quantity? Come on, man. You got to let people know what's going on, and you'll get rid of these trolls.
    76:30
    All right? So do yourself a favor. Hit me up on Pinside. I'll make it happen for you. Come on the show. Let's do an interview. Let's talk. 15 minutes. Tell us what's going on, man. Thanks, Ian and Drew, for letting me vent. Get that off my chest. and that's my poor man's pinball brick shot oh yeah see ya alright thank you very much Chris that was fantastic brick shot I don't have a brick shot for you this week cause that was tribe member number 18 I do have a brick shot but I just didn't I haven't prepared it in my head enough but you know what pissed me off this week was um some guy bitched about the Pinside Top 100, and I thought maybe he might give us a mention. I thought he might give us a mention, because we said we were going to change. Yeah, I talked about that. The Top 5. But he went a whole different direction, because that fucker, if you look, he owns a Jurassic Park LE, and he was pissed that people were giving Jurassic Park a bad score on purpose to get him off the number one. It does need to be reset, but that guy was way off base. Yeah, you know, old people that put threes and fours are also off base yeah no there's like i said the whole thing is there are guys out there that are like i don't like to see this there needs to be either medieval madness or attack from mars one and two and it's like this is the whole reason why we did our top five right yeah because my only argument for why that thing needs to be changed is because yeah exactly medieval madness and attack from mars they're not they're everywhere they're everywhere correct They cannot continue to be the best games of all time. That's why I want to bring some of these rarer games, or maybe not necessarily rare, but ones that don't get the long. Yeah, I was going to say the rare ones you'll never get any traction with because they're rare. One that I really want to bring is Guy Lib Gladiators. Oh, you and I talked about that. It is a fun game. That's one that's been in my collection for a long time, and it was supposed to be Zelda. But that's a really awesome game. Gar Nelson has it at the arcade, too. It's a cool game. Oh, he has that there? Yeah. I was there not too long ago. That's the first time I played it. That's why when I saw it at your house, I was like, this is awesome, because I spent like an hour playing this thing, and I was like, this is so cool. It's a fun game. That is one of those games where I need to bring it to a show just to get it more exposure. because if people knew what that game was, it would be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is. It's the best Gottlieb, right? I think it's one of the... It's been in my collection for a really long time. Alien Star is a Gottlieb, too. Better than Alien Star? So, of the Gottlieb System 3s. Oh. For me, it's my favorite Gottlieb. Better than Stargate?
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    I wouldn't say that. All right, there you go. I think so. So, Stargate has deeper rules. So, it's different. Different stuff. Yeah. We're talking different stuff. Let's compare them apples to apples, baby. So it's probably a quicker, much quicker game than Stargate would be. But very cool nonetheless. All right, do we got some mailbag? Mailbag! Mail call, mailbag? Mailbag! Our first one is from number 17, Joseph Hood. Mr. Tribe member number 17. So, I was going to call him Jason. Joseph went to Jason Fowler's house to pick up his Star Trek LE for a friend. Can we just say happy trails, Jason? Happy trails. Jason, you are going to be missed by the community. We love you, Jason. I got him on speed dial. I'm not missing him yet. Okay, cool. He's talking to him every day. I'm still friends with him on Facebook. I think he's just backing out a little bit. Sure, sure. No, but he was selling a bunch of games. That's no secret. Well, he was stocked up. He had 20 great games. Oh, they were. Yeah. That basement was jam-packed. I saw pictures of it. Yeah. And every game was better than the game before it. I mean, they were all just. And they were the best examples of each game. Yeah. Games from the 80s all the way up to modern stuff, and they were all fantastic. Yeah. So anyways, Joseph Hood. Hey, guys. Went to Jason Fowler's yesterday for his great purge. My buddy picked up his Star Trek LE. His place is awesome. Really nice machines. what he has left anyways, so it sounds like he got rid of most of them.
    81:02
    On the way back from St. Louis, we're rolling down I-70, and this van comes screaming next to us. They roll down the window, and a crazy dude leans out the window and throws a jar of mayonnaise at us. I was like, what the hell, man?
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    Happy Sunday. I'm going to plan my trips better and not do Mondays in the future. Little dad joke stuff. Great, Joe. So that's why you're part of the tribe. That's why you're a tribe. What the hell, man? All right. next email we got from Tom Weston now Tom's been communicating back and forth I like this guy he is fucking funny Tom here's another shout out for you and your daughter Ellen yes so my daughter and I loved the shout out on the show a couple weeks ago thanks for the heads up parental guidance warning for last week's F it Friday I played the beginning bit to her sorry I'm laughing because I'm thinking about our fuck it Friday episode it was ridiculous she was delighted that you gave a warning bespoke for her and that you referred to it as effort friday which made us giggle uh i didn't play the rest to her because you said uh if i did i would be a terrible parent and frankly listening to the shenanigans that went on you are right she is best not knowing it's very true i'm glad she didn't listen to that um actually perhaps we should uh we would all best not of knowing nah it was hilarious uh uh we listened to this week's normal show in the car and heard you say about people coming on the show we looked at each other and questioning faces she said yeah let's do it um what would it be i said it would be a recorded version or conversation in which we'd be asked about our pinball you know what here we go it goes on and on here's the thing tom and alan you guys need to come on our show so all we need from you is Skype. So we would love to have both of you on. If you guys can, find a way to... But you missed the last part of this. He's concerned that... See, the thought of his friends and family's listening made us skip a beat in horror and then howl with laughter and decide, nope, we really better not. But we're here to say, our show, we've toned down our cursing and most of the stuff. We're family-friendly-ish. Yeah, but your friends and family probably aren't listening to it anyway. Well, no, but his point is if he comes on this show, they are going to listen. Well, sure. If you don't like the way it turns out, just don't tell them about it. No, there you go. Oh, see? Look at this. Great advice from Dave. Tom and Alan, we would love to have you on. Yeah, you guys are welcome anytime. So you just let us know because, Miss Alan, we'd love to have you on. We use the Skype machine all the time.
    83:43
    Skype machine. can't you tell that we're good at this yeah interwebs we use that interweb skype thing and it works out fine so just ask josh so yeah but anyways uh thanks for listening guys and yeah if you want to do a little bit for the show or whatever that's fine love the email yeah keep it coming absolutely brian thomas picked up a shirt no it's purpley glory so what he said so purpley i love it purpley glory uh thanks brian for picking up a shirt mike williams also uh picked up a shirt that he has given out on their league nights. So Giselle won one of our shirts.
    84:23
    Yeah, he posted a picture of her from their league. She was wearing the Chris Franchi edited POSCAST shirt. Yes, yes. And she looked very happy wearing it, so that's pretty cool because it was spelled correctly. She promises to give the podcast a try, so congrats, Giselle. Well, Giselle, if this is your first poor man's experience, I hope it was good. Giselle, thank you for wearing the shirt. I think I need a new shirt. I got one of the reject ones. Yeah, you got one of the original. Like when I said, here, I got this in the back of my car. You want it?
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    That was early on. We'll get you a good one, Dave. No doubt. You know, anyone can have a shirt over at Silver Ball Swag. All you got to do is go to Silver Ball Swag. Then what do I do? Go to SilverBallSwag.com, the promoter tab, and then click on the Poor Man Spinball Podcast. We got a whole lineup. That sounds so easy. It is easy, Drew. And you know what's the best part? Am I a show now? You know what the best part is, Drew? What's the best part, Ian? They're super soft cotton, guys. Oh, my God. That's amazing. You know what's even better than that? What's that? Chris Franchi designed one. Oh, my God. You know what's better than that? What? Nothing. Oh, my God. This is the greatest day of my life. All I got to do is go to silverballswag.com and click on the promoter's page, and I can get cool Poor Man's Pinball podcast stuff. Yeah, even a mug. Wow. To drink all your gin and tonics out of. Oh, my God. Or coffee. I can have anything I want out of that mug. That mug is totally waterproof. It'll hold anything liquid. Oh, my God. This is amazing. You guys are absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, and the dishwasher safe. Everything. Even the shirts. I don't give a fuck. Tell me more. I got nothing. That's it. Pete Quint also sent us an email with a... He was just on a cruise, so he gave us a drink recipe.
    86:08
    Two ounces of gin. Two ounces of sour mix. two ounces of Sprite, a spoonful of honey, shake the shit out of it, pour it over the rocks, serve with a lemon wedge. You know what I call that drink? What? Fucking cavities. Tooth rot. That's a lot of sugar. Cavities. Pete, are you okay? Can you talk with those teeth? Oh, that's right. He's been in, like, the Bahamas or something. Yeah. He's sending us all these pictures of, like, him just in the sun with his fedora on and doing his Pete Quint stuff. Whatever, Pete. Thanks, Pete. You're so cool. Pete, we're jealous. He is so cool. All right. Anyway, we love you, Pete.
    86:43
    Wayne Sager, he also sent us an email regarding our, we were talking about vasectomies. That's right. The scars from. We've said the word vasectomy on this show. Too many times. Neither one of us has one. No. We're just talking out of our dick holes at this point. Anyway, he says, I couldn't even find any snip scars if I tried. Scalpel free was the way to go. Funny story. I actually was laughing at some points. Not even sure why. And that's what everyone says when we listen. That's the best review we have on Amazon. When we listen to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. That's what happens, guys. Just kidding. Nobody knows why they laugh. Nope. But here we are. Thanks for listening, guys. That's it. Dave, thanks for coming on. Dave. Yeah, appreciate it. Thank you for, well, actually, I invited myself, but that's okay. No, it was an open invite years ago. That's right. Yeah, we've been asking you for like forever. No, we talked about like, oh, we're going to do it before Christmas and then the holidays happen and then life. Yeah, life happened. Ryan's dick was working, and he was just impregnating his wife like a goddamn Neanderthal.
    87:49
    Well, and so before we close. Like a cyclops. Right. Ryan, keep your cyclops in your pants. So I just wanted to shamelessly plug the TurboGrafx-7 stream that we're doing. Plug away. It's what we do best here. Yeah. So right now we're doing a restoration on Alien Star, which is kind of unique in that we're streaming it because it's all real time.
    88:19
    And you can join in the chat and ask any questions that you want. I've done several play field restorations. And so I'm going through and demystifying the techniques. And so it's not just that, but I'm going through and get everything working. and at the end of it we'll be streaming the fully playing game. So it's really cool.
    88:42
    The poor men here are doing the laser war kind of thing. We're helping each other out, kind of cross-promotion. So I really like what we're doing here and kind of involving people in the restoration. And we're going to continue to do more stuff, and we're hoping to collaborate on more things because Dave has partially restored the restored, what, 50 games? Let's call it. Yeah. I have been on that stream and I have asked the question. Yes.
    89:11
    Dave is very knowledgeable. I'm always like, why are you doing this? I'm always that asshole that's like 20 minutes late. Sure. So wait, wait, wait, wait. Start over. I'm the idiot that goes, start over. What are you doing there? But no, he's very gracious. So if you are ever interested in anything regarding playful restoration, it's not hard. You just have to do it. Drew and I were talking about that. Yeah, you need to have the balls to get started.
    89:41
    Even just, like, get a beater play field. You can find them. You should be able to find them fairly cheap. I just saw a guy selling them for, like, 50 bucks a piece. Yeah, just to practice on them. Right. You're just practicing on it. And here, at the end of it, you can have a really nice wall hanger or something that, you know, you can light up with Christmas lights or something. And just put it on your wall. Or even sell. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. At least me personally, I'm hoping to collaborate with Dave on some stuff because we got lots of projects now. We got Laser War, Firepower. I got a Meteor now. Stars? I mean, we got all kinds of shit. Well, Stars, I'm not going to mess with Stars. I just play that one. I like it.
    90:21
    So, Dave, thank you very much for spending your time with us on this beautiful Monday night. Drew? Yes? You did a great job today, buddy. Thanks, buddy.
    90:31
    All right. Well, thank you, everybody. I brought my B game. your B game is better than most guys A game we love you out there thank you so much for tuning in thanks for listening guys you'll see us on Friday for fucking Friday we'll see ya later I gotta pee
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    We'll be right back. you