49:59Venom on this the only what you're doing in venom is you're either hitting the left ramp or you're hitting the Venom shot that's all it like that's what the mode is that's it and you compare that to like Foo Fighters where you know um uh what is it Seattle it's like the two shots and the way they travel across the thing and then the way they travel back or Ray days really good with he had a bunch of unique modes in Rush where it's like you know what was it a limelight where it's like things get dimmer and then you got to do it like it's these modes feel unique they feel like genuine to that thing that you're doing while this era of game is is a little more just hit the blinky light like the the um the Green Goblin mode is they're Green Goblin Targets on the side that's all it is it's just keep hitting those targets so that's the kind of thing that I I I'm really what I'm finding in modern code that I really like is the uniqueness of the mode I I just think it's a level above did you hear that Travis oh he's saying Lyman is a bad coder because I'm starting to hear that's he's really dogging on this code I did say that but uh did you did you know you could uh you can 2x one of the shots in the game yes so that's another 3x digital modes yeah if you hit the white shots I watched the whole Bowen tutorial I saw it and I see it I don't think you would appreciate a little bit simpler code to where you fully understand what's going on it's because it makes the exact opposite of Godfather where you're you're not sure what's going on so to me it's it's a good game to kind of be able to figure out your your skill set yeah and to work on skills and to work on hitting shots because you are right games of a different era in Spider-Man 2023 obviously it was from a different era at this point since it's DMD game but that's the way a lot of pens that came out around that time is the the rule sets are very linear in that way that you got to do XYZ in order to do the next thing so yeah that that's kind of what's changed ever since I guess gosh I don't know maybe AC DC Metallica sometime around there you you kind of saw rule sets just start to gradually start changing to collecting a lot more things and then making making different progressions happen later on deep in the game yeah I I mean this is a game that's easy to explain in a way where it's like oh I started Green Goblin what are you gonna hit same targets you hit to start it you know oh I started like I get that but I think it I also think this makes me somewhat hypocritical because like I'm super stoked to get caxis Canyon Cactus Canyon Zach said my SC plus is in hopefully I'll be getting that at that in the next few weeks like I understand that the Cactus Canyon code is very much like oh I started the mode that's the left orbit guess what shot I'm hitting to keep doing that mode it's the same thing so there's part of me that likes that Simplicity but then I'm also really curious to see what Josh does whether or not they make these modes a little more complex or a little more unique but the really what it would it Shine after playing spending time like that on it this type of era of game a DMD game my I do really like the DMT but I do I have found myself appreciating the uniqueness or the originality that that coders are bringing into modes these days and making these modes seem different or you're kind of a their own unique experience that that mode is just a fun thing to to do um versus just like a box you have to check so um is your seedling falling off one of my kids just belly flopped right above me did you guys hear that I think I did yeah yeah well those were my two comments about my current thing my current uh screaming or crying and we're good okay perfect um so that leads us I think that's it for normal news we did actually um post both on Facebook and our patreon we posted like Hey we're recording tonight is there anything you guys want us to talk about and um thank you so much we had a really great uh we got all we had a ton of feedback like we had a ton of people comment and um so we're gonna work our way through some of these so yeah this is going to be somewhat rapid fire because we've got a lot to go through so we're going to start with patreon because these are the people that support us we really appreciate you guys check us out uh triple drain on patreon uh if you want to support us there you can um Joe Hills he actually has a really interesting story here where basically said he was at a local arcade and he noticed there was a woman next to him with her with his with her son and she pulled out her phone because she saw the QR code on Insider connected and you could tell she was trying to hey to play the game because she saw her QR code and assumed that's how it worked and that's when Joe said he handed her a token showed her where to buy more and realized like we're in an age now and I'm curious if this is happening at other arcades where people see a QR code and they assume that is a way that you pay to start the game so his question and there was some discussion on the patreon about that do you guys think that this is a planned thing for stern because I I was trying to think my way through this and the only incentive I could think of would be like a loyalty program or something where it's like if Stern recognizes oh you played 10 games then we'll give you the the 11th at a discount but then well whose Pockets that coming out of because if if um people that are routing the game they don't want to come out of their pocket unless they feel like being able to play or pay digitally is actually incentivizing people to play more than having to go cash another dollar it's it's entirely possible I know that they do this with PGA golden T right now they have NFC technology in which you can just tap something to it and you can pay there's transactions there so yeah we know a lot of different operators that will put on cards and stuff like that to where a swipe card goes and you have a credit that goes on the game and it's been reported plenty of times that those games actually make more yeah in overall Revenue just because of that and it's like anything else if people just have a card that they have to use or they're putting a credit card swipe or whatever it could be people tend to spend more money than what they would by handing over actual cash or putting in coins in it so yeah in theory it makes sense I don't know if that's the plan in the future but so are you talking through like Insider connect yeah yeah that would be because there's a QR code reader there but if there was if I mean I I some this was either a podcast or something I saw online but some somebody said like well why do arcades do tokens like if tokens are a pain or you realize that people are using tokens from like why do people use them and somebody made the comment of like when you use a token you know people are going to spend that money verse a quarter where if somebody gets pissed off and they're like I have a dollar fifty and quarters still there's nothing stopping them from walking out the door with the dollar fifty but if they look and they see I got a dollar fifty worth of tokens they have to use them so they end up using them so if that became like if Stern did something like that where you can buy twenty dollars worth of credit for or you get 20 you spend twenty dollars to buy credit and you actually get 25 worth like and then they find some way to work with the the person that's routing the game I was just gonna say that how would that work with operators but um I mean I like like I said I don't know I know golden tea does it okay but I don't know exactly how that works with operators though so the NFC it stands for near field communications and it's basically like golden tea they have something and I think it's the caddy or PGA Tour caddy app to where you can actually just use your phone or use something like that to where you're able to pay based off that so if you if everybody goes and looks at what a Golden Tee is with the pgas you'll see it right there right by the trackball and right above the buttons to where it has like a huge part that says tap here so the technology is out there it wouldn't shock me if we see something like that and pinball eventually and I think it would be pretty cool for operators if stuff like that could get figured out yeah well Andrew Doane Doane I think don't don't anyways he he was commenting on this and and one of the things that he was asking was uh do we what are other potential Insider connected things um that that could be used and I know Tom has shared his uh his overall views on Insider connected a few times and I know like local leaderboards are a very common thing or tracking your home play kind of thing or head head to head is something we've talked about a lot um one thing I did think I the fact that Stern is XP XP alone is a brand new thing that Insider connect is going to allow you to do and if we look at Insider connected purely as the ability to the to inform the machine who you are you are playing this game and it it tells the game like I've played this these are my achievements this is how much time I've spent on it I would assume at some point in time they will build in some sort of difficulty system where the game will make itself easier or harder based on how much you've played the game I think that could be kind of cool um and then another thing that I think would be cool would be a way to get to things you've been to so like if you've gotten to a wizard mode I think it would be cool that once you've been to it once you can scan in and like shortcut you can like shortcut back and be like hey I got to this wizard mode but I want to just practice it so that I can work my way through or show it off to somebody else um obviously Insider connect or some of the new ones with these challenge modes give you that ability but those are just two thoughts that popped into my head I don't know if you any other brainstorms that you guys think heads up heads up yeah like Head to Head play yep yeah which which I know all the heads up tournaments that we've seen you know what is it Ace Yogi or whatever that Carl streams they just buy two pros and put you guys do it Lumberjack Johnny's yep what was it that Zach called it pancake something um anyways it was you guys all have two of the exact same game you put right next to each other but that's pancake mentioned your stuff this was like a year ago and I think instead of calling it Lumberjack Johnny oh yeah it was something pancake but I'm Jack Blackjack but that's not normal for a bar to have two of the exact same game right next to each other so really when you're talking about heads up that is some sort of like yeah non-local heads up play uh where you login for somebody else you could probably easily program that to where you know player one steps up you time them Player Two Steps up their time they could have the time player one head and you have to beat that time or something oh okay I I would love the a bit like races think about that yeah where I would love races where you pick something in the moment that that person accomplishes it it shuts the other person's game like kills the flippers like I think that would be incredible but what's a turtle shell challenge half shell challenge half excuse me yeah so if you can both do it at the same time we're at a bar and I'm like all right Jill I want to challenge you to this and I go first and I get like two minutes then you gotta beat it no problem yeah yeah so that could be cool um yeah that could be cool I think I really want them to fly watch out the social side of Insider connected more like I wish you could do challenges yeah um that was something scorebit had where you could do like uh like a weekend challenge it's like Whoever has the highest score by the end of the weekend it shows so you can pick your friend and challenge them on a game and I just think that could be I I wish that was something like I wish it was easier for me to know what achievements you guys have or watch that that kind of stuff so there's a lot more that they can flesh out for sure for sure Travis is shaking his he's he's basically head banging over there he's he's just agreeing I'm just agreeing with every everything you guys are saying that's all right so this is an interesting one Tony V feelings on recent surge of content creators on YouTube who focused on Arcade one UPS New Wave toys Etc getting into pinball and engaging in integrating it within their content is this good or bad what does it mean and what could that do for the hobby is it time for some nerd turf wars arcade one oh yeah so arcade one up no what there's a there's a handful of content creators that actually have a lot of followers and the majority of what they talk about are they were just video games and then they got into the arcade one-up scene buying all the different arcade ones ups and then kind of pushing this idea of building their own home arcade but it wasn't real arcade equipment it was all arcade one UPS then modding arcade one-ups and I feel like some of these guys now that they actually have that Vibe or that feel they're like What's the next step and a few of these bigger creators have bought pinball machines and so they're bringing the idea of having a pinball machine at home to an audience that we aren't I'll name drop uh B from uh Kong's R Us he's one of them yep yeah and so I don't know a ton of them but I I'm all for it I anything that can grow this Hobby and bring it to the attention and and the eyes of more people I mean it's amazing how many people I talk to and when I say pinball is a hobby they have no idea that it's a modern thing like it's still going so if arcade people don't yeah and that's totally fine and I don't care I don't care what Creator I don't care if you're a if you're a makeup tutorial YouTuber if all of a sudden you get the bug to have a pinball machine and put it in the background of your thing and and you know your million followers see a pinball machine in the background while you're doing your makeup tutorial great I don't so I have no sure okay if at the end of the day if the twippies if the best pinball YouTuber ends up being the makeup tutorial person because you know she got her Army on voting for it then yeah there's your Turf War but at the same time good on her like anything to bring more attention to pinball absolutely yeah and well I mean to be honest with you this isn't the first time that people kind of from outside of pinball have kind of joined into pinball too this has been happening for years and years I think if anybody's been on Twitch for the past decade at least this name might ring a bell lethal frag was one of the first twitch users to actually stream pinball to where he was I think he was almost like a role-playing game type streamer way back in the day and he did an endless two-year like every single day he streamed for two straight years it was a big deal and then he wanted to move into pinball and he actually launched a Kickstarter and I'm pretty sure you can still find this online to where he raised anywhere between fifteen or twenty thousand dollars from people that watched him just to be able to build a rig get a pinball machine I think he even streamed Star Trek or Stern Star Trek I think is the game that he streamed and this is back in gosh 2000 13 14 15. it was a while back so and that was somebody that had a lot of people watching him at the time so this is this is kind of the same thing that's been happening a little bit and we've talked about this before in previous podcasts that one of the things that really got stranger things out there believe it or not and this is probably one of the most viewed videos ever for a pinball video it was a family vlogger that did it and they had a stranger things and they actually showed themselves playing it in the background they showed them you could see it in their game room and everything and I think that video probably has 5 10 15 million views on it well I forget I forget who it is off the top of my head but I know I've seen it and it's just yeah people there's crossover like that and to me that's a good thing I I don't mind anybody just talking about pinball discussing pinball anything to get people more interested I'm all for well that's because you're a shill right because you were oh yeah I know yeah hell yeah yeah I everybody to buy pinball machines uh well I think it is funny because the first question I asked was actually from Joe Hills and Joe Hills is actually a rather big Minecraft streamer that's what he that's what he did and so for him as as somebody who's pretty big on Twitch he for a long time and he might still do that I just haven't been on Twitch in a while he would finish his Minecraft stream with a few hundred people watching and he would raid a pinball streamer so he he rated my channel multiple times and he rated yeah Toms I mean it's just like it's awesome that that's his idea I know I know his audience is Minecraft but he's trying to build you know bring that in and I think Joe even um streamed some pinball himself he was just at District 82 not too long ago oh that's awesome yeah that's awesome okay so last question from patreon William Moore appreciate Joel streaming Godfather I just received my godfather CE and was surprised at how difficult it is but if you take your time to figure it out it falls into place but since but still has Wicked out lanes I can have a 300 million game and then an 800 800 000 point game back to back William I totally relate because I had my 300 million game and since then I haven't passed 75 million so I that is a game where um there was another joke that came up on stream where somebody said Godfather's the perfect game to drink whiskey to and smoke a cigar you know something that's kind of calm but you can be precise you can think through it it's a kind of a problem-solving game if you want it to be otherwise it can be a very relaxing time and then they're like Foo Fighters is a game to drink a Mountain Dew and smoke crack that was you know those high energy kind of crazy fun game but I mean every game's a little different but I do I do know that like yeah Godfather um I see why Nick Lane on Buffalo pinball freaking loves the game I know the way that Nick talks about the way his mind works and the math I Know Carl is loving um Carl D'Angelo's loving Godfather because of that just if that's the way your brain works and you really want to understand and look at the big picture you can really arrange things in a way that you can just blow it up but I will say this is not a game that you're going to blow up on accident like you really have to do a lot in the right order to put up the big points and I've only done that once I've only done that once of all the times I've played it so I don't know I mean Tom you have one is this do you feel like it's a are you starting to get get a good grasp of it and and is it a game that you I don't I can't curl it yeah well nobody can you're not a God isn't what you said to me earlier yeah exactly it's um there are some pinball games that are just fun to step up to and play and this game you can you're just not gonna give me points that that game to really everything about every pinball game you can step up to and play yeah but like what are you having fun good okay yeah that's what what's level of fun you know smoking crack fun or the uh yeah