paths are going to change the history of the way games are done right like you know so he's had such an impact that some will argue that maybe in 20 years time he's going to be the Roger Sharp of pinball I I don't know like of the modern the modern time that's a big comment it is but it's not far-fetched right he it is but it's not far-fetched right he what what he's done and what he could as as this new role in Stern. I'm excited. I'm buckling up. I can't wait to to see the streams and I hope he gets well after his surgery and his shoulder and uh and comes back, you know, with Pokemon is what we're you know, with Pokemon is what we're hearing, right? I mean, that's what we're going to that's what we're going to get and you know, it's going to be great. and you know, it's going to be great. And that is the biggest license, right? And that is the biggest license, right? You know who told me that Kale today? I was talking to KL and he goes Pokemon is the biggest license. It's huge. It's huge. It's a huge It's a huge and what you can what you can do with a and what you can what you can do with a game like that while you know incorporating a new audience uh with Spike 3 and Insider Connect where I can play my Pokemon game with my Pokemon characters against yours at your house, right? And that would be cool, right? Like we can connect the games but we can actually burst each other, right? And you could do that with anyone in the world. I I think that's a move they should do, but is it cost effective? Is there an ROI on that right now? I just don't know. I just don't know. But you remember, I don't know if you But you remember, I don't know if you guys like Pokémon Go, the app was huge here in Australia where people big here, too. big here, too. Yeah. Like people were flooding the Yeah. Like people were flooding the streets looking for these Pokémon. Imagine if they did that with the game. You need to go find that pinball game, right? And you play it and you get those right? And you play it and you get those Pokemon and you get characters. Like there's so much they could do. Oh, within Insider Connect. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a no-brainer. And I Absolutely. That's a no-brainer. And I think I I really I'd be shocked if they didn't do it, Enzo. Right. I I'd be shocked if they didn't put the entire power of Insider Connect put the entire power of Insider Connect behind it. So, I I just think it's a it's the So, I I just think it's a it's the perfect game for it. And it's the perfect game of connecting like people. You know, I'm I'm in the most isolated city in the world, and if I have a Pokemon and you've got one, I'd love to know that I can play you in your home when I'm in my home and we're not wearing pants. It'd be pretty wicked cool, though. It'd It'd be pretty wicked cool, though. It'd be pretty wicked cool. It' be pretty. So, so yes, I think it's Jack Danger. So, so yes, I think it's Jack Danger. And I do think it's being handled to Elwin. Elwin is a huge Nintendo fan. Um, and he I think he would have loved to have done Pokemon as well. So, it'd be the perfect collab to take it on and finish it. Um, so let's see. Let let's see. Um, so obviously the whole Warhamole whole thing we've touched on. You're at Eureka Heights now doing the content and stuff like that. Um, you so had you played pinball when you were younger at all or touched on it. You know, I played a lot of arcade You know, I played a lot of arcade games. Yeah. Yeah. So I would go to arcades es in Long So I would go to arcades es in Long Island, New York. I we would go to pizza joints and pump quarters in the Galaga. The same story that everybody has, right? But I got introduced to pinball at the Contemporary Hotel in Orlando, Florida. When I moved to Florida when I was like 16 years old, my uh we didn't know anyone and I just had uh we didn't know anyone and I just had my younger brother and he was 13 and I could drive cuz I'm 16 now. So we went to the Contemporary Hotel. So we went to the Contemporary Hotel. Yeah. Yeah. And you can go to the Contemporary, pay And you can go to the Contemporary, pay five bucks and play Popeye and all these games forever and ever and ever. And that's what we did like our summer. But I started playing like our summer. But I started playing pinball because it's like think of that year. It's like 1988 89 1990 and there's some bangers coming out and and there's some bangers coming out and I start understanding it a little but I never I if if Popeye was there I was going to Popeye. I don't know why that game just I pumped a [ __ ] ton of quarters in. I mean it's a game that just looking at I mean it's a game that just looking at it is pretty captivating to be honest. So I can understand why. Um but so all right. So you then time goes past you end up obviously co everyone was in I mean co's what got me back into pinball because we couldn't go I used to go to the local arcade. There's only really one here and I couldn't right. So I used to I was hiring games off a friend of mine who rents them to people, right? Um and then I was like I need to I need Um and then I was like I need to I need to get one at home because the kids it's getting the kids off the iPad. It's getting them wanting to play. It's helping with their motor skills. It's bringing us together as a family. Blah blah blah. All that stuff, right? This is what you told everybody. This is what you told everybody. Yeah. So, like Yeah. So, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is your sales pitch to the family. This is your sales pitch to the family. This is why I'm going to spend all this This is why I'm going to spend all this effing money. This is well I um there was an episode I done well I um there was an episode I done many many years ago when I joined Gonzo's where I explained that I was a vintage toy collector and retro gaming collector and everything lived in tubs for so long at one day I just turned around and was like what am I doing there's so much money sitting in these tubs nobody like I had vintage Ninja Turtle seal like I had vintage Ninja Turtle seal everything was sealed right so okay okay so Ninja Turtles is like past me right so Ninja Turtles is like past me right because I'm 52 Right. So if you if you said GI Joe, we would have a long conversation. There was some G.I. Joe toys. There was There was some G.I. Joe toys. There was some uh toys that were like, you know, He-Man and all that type of stuff. I was collecting all that stuff. And it was just that my personalities, I need to be a completionist, which is impossible because some of these toys are worth 10 grand, right? Um and one day I was just like, I need Um and one day I was just like, I need to get rid of all this stuff because it just nobody's using it. It's dead money. And I can reinvest that money into some pinballs. And that's basically that's what I did, right? And it's the best thing I ever did because along with that, it's brought the family together, which is true, but I've met so many new people. I've made so many friends, and it's one of the best communities I've ever been involved in. Um, the gaming community is great, but it can be extremely extremely uh toxic, even though so can pinball, but um it was just very different. Like, it's not as not as friendly, not as like No, it you're right. I I was heavily No, it you're right. I I was heavily involved in Call of Duty and uh and playing I played a [ __ ] ton of Gears of War. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was in a Gears of War clan. I was in a Gears of War clan. Yep. I love Gears of War. Yep. I love Gears of War. Oh, I love Gears of War. But it got Oh, I love Gears of War. But it got shotgun oped and yada yada yada, but I was really into that video game and crap with my kids. Yeah. Yeah. And uh it was Tim that said, "Hey, come And uh it was Tim that said, "Hey, come over to my house and and uh play some pinball." and kind of started me down that crazy road. Yeah, I'm forever trying to get anyone I Yeah, I'm forever trying to get anyone I meet um I try and wear wear pinball stuff and and just anything that can trigger con like convers I'm like the I'm like the vegan who tries to tell you to not to that you should be a vegan. Um but with pinball yeah the thing is how do you know yeah the thing is how do you know someone likes pinball? They open their mouth, right? I mean we don't we don't shut the hell up about it because we're passionate and we love it which is why I love the round table. It's one of my favorite things is it all we really are doing is three buddies sitting together and bullshitting about pinball. And I'll talk pinball with someone all night. And so when I go out to dinner with me, John, Janine, and Christine, if we all go out to dinner, John and I have to stop talking pinball John and I have to stop talking pinball cuz the girls are going to lose their mind. Lose that [ __ ] Yeah. Lose that [ __ ] Yeah. No, they don't lose it. They just we can No, they don't lose it. They just we can see them glancing over and we're like, "All right, we got to ease up on the pinball because we love it so much. like we're just so passionate about it. And I was down the Grand Canyon for 15 days, I was down the Grand Canyon for 15 days, right? I did a the entire river, the Colorado River. We couldn't We couldn't There were three of us that were all in a pinball with my wife Janine. And we like what lasted four days before we started spreading the word of pinball within the 21 guests on this tour. We got two of them. Two people live down by an arcade. We drove all the way down there to meet them there so that they could play in a pinball tournament. Yeah. Yeah. And they had the best time. They loved And they had the best time. They loved it. There you go. So, was it was uh doing There you go. So, was it was uh doing those 15 days a little bit like coming off crack when you're like cuz there's no pinball in the Grand Canyon, right? Were you like, "Oh my god, I need pinball." We did. You know, we were actually We did. You know, we were actually pissed because uh Kale and Rachel had a arcade in uh Flagstaff. So, we were like, "Okay, we could drive from here, you know, get our go to the electric bat in Flagstaff, then get to the Grand Canyon, and then on the night we get out, we can go." But when we booked it, but then they sold that location and took all the games out, and we were like, "Oh, that's a bummer." Yeah. Yeah. No big deal. All right. So, I think like, you know, All right. So, I think like, you know, so we gave everyone a little bit of uh I don't want to bore people with like we could talk forever about it, but like so jump on Jamie's channel, go watch the videos. Yeah. Yeah. The the round table's phenomenal, so do The the round table's phenomenal, so do that. Um why don't we talk about like where things are at today, right? So, there's been some awesome rumors, titles. Um what's obviously we know World Cup is a game that you love playing. What's a what's a couple games that at the moment are really like captivating you that have been released in the last year or two? So, I just got to play Harry Potter. Uh, So, I just got to play Harry Potter. Uh, it just came in Heights and I got to play it. I've put about 10 and I got to play it. I've put about 10 games on it. Um, I don't know the scoring yet. I'm not there, you know, and this is no criticism of JJP's. It's just a little more complicated. So, I need some more time on this machine. Whereas you could step up uh in the beginning of Kong and you can kind of figure it out, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is a little more complicated. The This is a little more complicated. The scoop shot's a pain in the ass. I'm not going to lie to you. Okay. It's like a double scoop. There's a uh It's like a double scoop. There's a uh they got like a little Legends of Valhalla thing going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Kind of. Um but it's uh it's good. I I I Kind of. Um but it's uh it's good. I I I really liked it. The Quidditch is unbelievable when you get going up there. By the way, when you get going up there. By the way, it's a [ __ ] ton of points right now. Current code. It's crazy. And everyone reckons it's It's crazy. And everyone reckons it's one of the most uh captivating upper playfields in pinball. Oh, no question. Oh, no question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. This super little ramp thing. It's Have This super little ramp thing. It's Have you played it? No, we we there's one that's landed in No, we we there's one that's landed in Melbourne, but that's 4,000 km away. Um, so yeah, we we will be a while Um, so yeah, we we will be a while before we play it. So, um I mean I I only just got Evil Dead. um I mean I I only just got Evil Dead. That's how behind we are. Okay. How what do you think of Evil Okay. How what do you think of Evil Dead? Because that's the second game I'm playing a [ __ ] ton. Uh man, Evil Dead. Uh like I am not into Uh man, Evil Dead. Uh like I am not into the theme. I wasn't into the theme originally. I don't mind horror, but it's not my go-to. Uh I hadn't watched the movie since I was a kid, but it was the FOMO. And also, you know, I'm really friend good friends with Don from Don's Pinball Podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And he kept saying, "Have you bought And he kept saying, "Have you bought Evil Dead yet? Have you bought Evil Dead yet?" And he's like, "You're going to miss out. you're going to miss out. And you know, I got to give it to him. He's one that pushed me, but it is probably the most well done theme integration of a game in like, and I've played a lot of pinball. Um, I think the the artwork is some of the best artwork package in the history of pinball. I know that's a big call, but the color scheme, the the what Franchie does is just next level. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. And I love the game. Oh, the game is And I love the game. Oh, the game is just the the modes, the way the modes are, the the insanity mode where everything every mod mech mech in the game is going nuts and you got to shut them down. The the interesting thing about this, and I had this conversation last night, um, and I said this to Kerry Hardy as well, was that as a layout, it is very basic. It is just a fan, like I mean, most games are fan layouts, but there's nothing like there's no intricate ball paths. There's no uh there's nothing innovative about Evil Dead as a layout. In theory, Texas Chainsaw has actually got better ball paths and um some different things that you know we've never we had never seen in pinball, right? But it doesn't matter. Like it literally doesn't matter. Um and it is as a total game. It is captivating and I can see why it's sold out very quickly and I can see why everyone's trying to get one because the pins list of wanted ads for an evil dead just keep growing. I know I I look I I've been looking um I know I I look I I've been looking um now it has its detractors, you know, it it has some detractors uh at Eureka Heights. Sorry, this is God that we uh No, it's it's one of my hairs because I got this long hair. I I have ADD. I'm sorry. Uh it uh it has its detractors. Okay. There are people that don't love it. There are people that don't know the code and don't understand, you know, maybe some of the paths you want to take on a tournament. Uh and and maybe Evil Dead 2 or or whatever. Um there are some people that maybe spend a little too much time on the boomstick. Uh whereas they should really be focusing on modes and and and such. But uh I I I really I dig it. I play the hell out of it. Again, my only problem with Spooky is Insider Connected. They don't have Insider Connect. They don't have their own thing. They don't have Scorbit. They don't have so it it it it's when you go to Eureka it it it it's when you go to Eureka Heights. I mean, they have 23 machines now. They've grown crazy. and say the internet's down, you're almost like, uh, I don't even know if I want to play because I'm not going to get any achievements. And so that's the thing when you go and And so that's the thing when you go and you play an Evil Dead, you know, but, you know, but, uh, Eureka, really quick, I'll give them uh, Eureka, really quick, I'll give them a shout out. They're building a spooky row and, uh, They're building a spooky row and, uh, let me see if I can get all the machines. So, it's Evil Dead. Uh, Scooby-Doo is right next to it. than the Jetsons. Nice. Nice. Which is really kind of cool where they Which is really kind of cool where they didn't make a lot of those. And this is a purple one which is pretty even more rare. I'd love to get a Jetsons. I'd love to get a Jetsons. Uh it's kind of fun. It's not a good Uh it's kind of fun. It's not a good tournament game. It annoys you because it's the code is really basic. because it's the code is really basic. It also sucks to stream to be honest. No offense to Spook, but uh because you can't they never show but uh because you can't they never show the score and so they never show the score on this game. You're trying to stream it and you're like Everyone at home's like, "What the hell the, you know, what did player three have?" And you're like, "No idea. They didn't code that [ __ ] in." Uh then at TNA, they got a TNA delivered Uh then at TNA, they got a TNA delivered any day now. Nice. Nice. Uh Halloween Uh Halloween and Rick and Morty. Look, they they do, you know, everyone Look, they they do, you know, everyone used to kind of critique their reliability in QC. I haven't had a problem with any of my spookies ever, right? And between me and my friend Shane, we've got, you know, Looney Tunes, um, Rick and Morty, Alice Cooper, Yeah. like, and they and they've all Yeah. like, and they and they've all they're all so unique. They're all different. They're all captivating. Like you they're made by people that love pinball, right? Yeah. And they care about the themes. They And they care about the themes. They choose themes that they care about and they know that at least a thousand people care about it, right? Um, no question. Good company. Uh, I I no question. Good company. Uh, I I support them and Eureka supports the hell out of them. You know, there are arcades that get beat on more that may have problems, but at Eureka, Taylor Buckley is one of the best operators on the damn planet and he knows how to make those things shine. And uh, well, Kale Kale was saying on your well, Kale Kale was saying on your channel as well that like it hasn't missed a beat for them either. Yeah, El hasn't missed a beat. Yeah, El hasn't missed a beat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we haven't had any problems Yeah. But we haven't had any problems with all those machines. And you know, Rick and Morty gets a lot of crap, okay? Because people don't like it. But I had Scott Denise on uh years ago on the Wormhole channel and it's my the RSS feed is still the same. So yeah, yeah, he uh he tells you how to play it. he uh he tells you how to play it. You know, he's like you got to get mega You know, he's like you got to get mega seeds, right? because that's vitally important and you got to stay on the right side of the playfield. The left side of the playfield's terrible. You don't want to be over there. It's terrible. And he's right, you know. And uh I I had And he's right, you know. And uh I I had this guy Craig Hughes, shout out to Craig. He hated Rick and Morty. He's like, I can't put up more than two, three million in a tournament. And I sat him down, we watched, we played the game together, and he put 21 million up. because it is it's about mega seeds, right? It's a great game. Get those mega seeds, man. Go to different dimensions and go to it's awesome. It's an awesome game. Yes, it's there's It's an awesome game. Yes, it's there's a couple shots that are really, you know, controversial, but at the end of the day, you know, it's it's it's a total package. If you love the theme, Scott Denise, he just slaps everything he does. Um his music, his uh his layout. Uh they did rules on that Bowen, right? they did rules on that Bowen, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, come on. Bowen knows what Yeah. I mean, come on. Bowen knows what he's doing. And uh yeah, definitely great game. Love Rick and Morty. Yeah. So, I'm really excited to see, you Yeah. So, I'm really excited to see, you know, the rumor is that they have Beetlejuice next. Um Yeah. Yeah. And they're going to probably do a And they're going to probably do a thousand games this time. Maybe 999 is the rumor. Um I haven't I haven't heard that. I I did I haven't I haven't heard that. I I did hear Beetlejuice though. And uh you know, don't do the second uh you know, don't do the second Beetlejuice. Don't do Toy Story 4. No, no, no, no, no. You don't want that No, no, no, no, no. You don't want that crap. No, that knowing Bug and Luke well No, that knowing Bug and Luke well enough that they, you know, they wouldn't make any mistakes like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but look, I, you know, to be a Um, but look, I, you know, to be a little bit more family friendly as such, I guess. Yes. Beetlejuice is a bit more family friendly. Yeah, it's PG-13, right? Yeah, it's PG-13, right? Yeah. So, Yeah. So, you got that Deo song. What was that? you got that Deo song. What was that? Deo. That'll be on. Yeah, that'll be a Deo multiball and that'll be a Deo multiball and Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, absolutely. absolutely. Oh, and their support. I mean, shout out Oh, and their support. I mean, shout out to Spooky's support. you you email them, they respond, they you can call them, you can FaceTime them, they're so approachable. Um, and you know, and I hope they stay like I want companies to grow and get better, but I just don't want them to grow too much because you kind of lose that essence of like a familyrun business where it's kind of approachable and, you know, they're involved in a lot of conversations online discords and, you know, it's cool that they're so with the community. Um, they put polls up in their Discords about like, would this make a good theme? Do you like modes this way? Like, it's it's really engaging and it's shout out to them because we're going to have Bug on the channel tomorrow hopefully. Oh, good. Well, Spooky owners are very Oh, good. Well, Spooky owners are very passionate. You can see it, right? Yeah. You guys are You drink the Kool-Aid, so that's cool. You drink the Kool-Aid, so that's cool. It's a good Kool-Aid. Tastes good. Yeah. Yeah. Big spooky shill. Um, have Yeah. Yeah. Big spooky shill. Um, have you had much time on June? I have not had much time on Dune. I got to play Dune the the the the second code update. Yep. Yep. And that's that was a game changer. And that's that was a game changer. You know, it definitely changed, you You know, it definitely changed, you know, with the call outs and with the other things. It's it's it's a much better game. She's really good. Uh you I highly recommend it in a darker Uh you I highly recommend it in a darker room. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because the light show is pretty Okay. Because the light show is pretty awesome and the worm is badass. I I you know, shout out Travis Mosman. He did a great job with it. I I really like the machine. Yeah, I I love what they did with Yeah, I I love what they did with Labyrinth. Um we had a Labyrinth for a while. Um really well put together. It was just a It was a very hard shooter for It's a hard game for the kids, right? I It's a hard game for the kids, right? I I had it here in I had it here in the house as well. I housed it. And my daughter-in-law had a tough time with my daughter-in-law had a tough time with Labyrinth. She's like, "When is this one leaving?" And it wasn't it crapped on it. She just like it's just too hard for me because she's she's a brand new player. Yeah. Yeah. Some of those shots were I Yeah. Yeah. Some of those shots were I mean I'm not a great player, you I'm probably ranked somewhere between 15 and 20,000 in the world, but like I don't really participate in comps either, but it's just that I just want to be able to have fun and uh not feel like I'm just getting angry because there's a few games at the moment we can touch on that uh that are giving me that feeling. And Labyrinth started giving me that feeling because I was like, I really like the theme, but I just I'm I really like the theme, but I just I'm struggling with it. I'm struggling with hitting certain shots and it just wasn't doing it for me. So, I'm glad to hear that June is a is a better shooter. Yeah. I I I again, I don't think Yeah. I I I again, I don't think Glabin's a bad shooter. It's just hard. It's just harder, right? You know, those ramps are tight. Uh and they're vital to do if you're Uh and they're vital to do if you're going to get, you know, the OB mode and you're going to get through those modes because you got to get through the modes. So, uh, but, um, yeah, Dune's definitely an uh, but, um, yeah, Dune's definitely an easier shooter, uh, now with the call outs and now with it directing you. They do a good job with that little screen. Oh, yeah. Even the way it's cinematic, Oh, yeah. Even the way it's cinematic, right? Cuz the screen has elements of your mode that then you've got to hit in line with the screen. Like, this is chopper that goes across. It's this is chopper that goes across. It's wicked cool. So, and I'm so excited to see Jeff on it from Dirty Pinball. Um, big fan of Jeff. Jeff's great. big fan of Jeff. Jeff's great. Yeah, Dirty Pool. I always say Dirty Yeah, Dirty Pool. I always say Dirty Pinball, too. Uh, he Yeah, I like him. He's come on the scene Yeah, I like him. He's come on the scene pretty hot and heavy. And good for him. He's He's a nice dude. Yeah. And he's he does uh for those that Yeah. And he's he does uh for those that don't know, check him out. um he does uh audio mixing and is working on June now to to incorporate better sounds and sound effectses and and all that. So um it'll be interesting to see you know how how he comes along. Um the I want to hear your take and your the I want to hear your take and your experience with Dungeons and Dragons because there's a real divide in the community on Dungeons and Dragons. Right. So, Dungeons and Dragons was created with a theme that they had hoped would bring in a lot of newbies to this hobby, right? Because it's such a big theme for Dungeons and Dragon players, right? The issue is, all right, is that I I love the storytelling element, the character buildup, the trinkets, the shop, the the call outs, the storytelling. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But the layout, But the layout, it's not fun for me personally. For me, now I'm not the only one that feels this way. Jeff feels the same way. Jeff feels this way heavily. Jeff feels this way heavily. Feels this way. Feels this way. I've argued with Jeff about this. What I've argued with Jeff about this. What his point is the upper, you know, the King Kong the upper, you know, the King Kong biplane shot that they have basically in Dungeons and that they have basically in Dungeons and Dragons, right? You know, the upper flipper boom shot. You can't get to that unless you can go to gizmo shot. Okay. And eject it out. Or you can backhand or depending what Or you can backhand or depending what flipper you on that little inner loop orbit thing. Yeah. Yeah. Next to Next to which is a hard shot. which is a hard shot. It's It's it's [ __ ] it's [ __ ] it's [ __ ] it's [ __ ] It's so when the whole game is based on It's so when the whole game is based on getting the ball to that upper flipper for me, right? I don't know who's like I get it, but I don't know who kind of went, "Yeah, this is gonna get new people in the hobby." Like, it's too Yeah, it is. It too hard. it's too Yeah, it is. It too hard. It's way hard. It's way hard. It might be too hard. Now, I'll I I'll It might be too hard. Now, I'll I I'll give him props for this. Dragon's wicked cool. Oh, [ __ ] yeah. Oh, [ __ ] yeah. Especially the premium. Those eight Especially the premium. Those eight balls. It's badass. Yeah. uh when your Dungeons and Dragons Yeah. uh when your Dungeons and Dragons is totally dialed in and the shield comes up and the ball is laying there and if it does hit the right ramp or the left orbit ramp, that's cool, which is rare because that shield moves which is rare because that shield moves when it goes up and down. It constantly shifts. So, it's shouldn't it's supposed to stay there shouldn't it's supposed to stay there and you know, so I've been on locations you know, so I've been on locations where that doesn't work. Yeah. Uh, and it's in it's vital because Yeah. Uh, and it's in it's vital because you could use I could never get mine to it. I could never get mine to it. Yeah. See, that's another problem that Yeah. See, that's another problem that I'm hearing about it. Yeah. So, when you Yeah. So, when you Yeah. When when you're doing your Yeah. When when you're doing your T-chart, right? When you're doing your T- chart Yeah. Yeah. it it the game comes out what, like a it it the game comes out what, like a B+. Yeah. Yeah. B. Yeah. Yeah. B. A solid B. It's, you know, it's a solid A solid B. It's, you know, it's a solid B. The code is the code makes it better. The problem also is it is dungeons or dragons. And Jeff is right about that because especially in a tournament when you're [ __ ] around in that dungeon, it's such a waste of time cuz you're the most you're going to get cuz you're the most you're going to get out of there is 15 million, maybe 20 million. Yeah. Yeah. And you have so many shots you had to And you have so many shots you had to hit. You're much better off traveling and going. But that's it's probably one of the most unique pinball experiences in relation to the code and the traveling element and the storytelling and the character development. Much better than like Venom was good. Like yes, you build up your character, but this is next level, right? It's totally next level. It's totally next level. And I want to enjoy it, but And I want to enjoy it, but unfortunately I had to move mine on. I really really I had to move it on. And you know, I get I had to move it on. And you know, I get criticized for being a stern shill really badly, right? And I do drink their cordial a little bit, but I I have to say Dungeons and Dragons and I'm going to say something controversial now. King Kong, they they both they both have really kind of frustrated me. Okay, we can talk about Kong if we put Okay, we can talk about Kong if we put tie a bow on Dungeons and Dragons because I do think the code is really badass. Dungeons and Dragons. Oh yeah, it is a genius. Oh yeah, it is a genius. Yeah, he really is. He really is. I gota Yeah, he really is. He really is. I gota uh Okay, let's go on the Kong now. Um, have you played the new code that just came out? Yeah, I've got I've got Kong here. Yeah, I've got I've got Kong here. You've got Kong here? Okay. You've got Kong here? Okay. Yeah, it's in the other room. Yeah, it's in the other room. So, So, I've had a lot of time on Kong. That's probably the third I'm playing the most right now. And and Batman 66. I still play the [ __ ] out of Batman6. And um with crossing the chasm and some of the modes need a little work. All right. What what I I still mean is they don't like Crossing the Chasm is a little overpowered than Stegosaurus and some of the other modes, right? So if you're playing it as a right? So if you're playing it as a tournament and you f up crossing the chasm, crossing the chasm, you know, save an maybe. I don't know. you know, save an maybe. I don't know. So you know what, you know what I'm trying to say there? I'm screwing this up. No, no, no. Like I I totally agree. No, no, no. Like I I totally agree. Sorry, I'm just getting this work thing out of the way because it is uh 12:00 here. Um so one of the things with Kong I'm struggling to connect with it. I think it's the modes a little bit. Um, obviously being an original RP in a sense, it is very similar to the original movie, some of the stories in it and the modes in it, but some of the modes I'm just really struggling with. They all feel very similar. Um, I'm not connecting with the game, but the problem is I'm having, and again, I'm not a great player, so that's on me, sure. But, um, if you can hit those shots, it's butter. Like, it is a flow monster, bro. It is. It is. You can get Chasm going. It is. It is. You can get Chasm going. Y Y it is such a flow. Now, I'm not a great it is such a flow. Now, I'm not a great player either. I'm 3,800th in the world, dude. No good. Right. But, uh I just love playing and I Right. But, uh I just love playing and I love the competition. I love the camaraderie. That's why I play. Yeah. Yeah. And you Yeah. Okay. I could see that you And you Yeah. Okay. I could see that you you're you're going to put it in the B range. I think you I think the code is not there yet still. I think the code is not there yet still. It's not even just the code though, It's not even just the code though, Jamie. Like for me, the two posts in the middle of the playfield which protect the biplane ramp entry get they get in the way a lot. Right. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. That that left out lane is a [ __ ] That that left out lane is a [ __ ] drain monster. The the um center post a lot of the time doesn't work for me because the ball's just moving too fast. Yeah. And I'm like, And I'm like, it's very rare that you're going to get it's very rare that you're going to get a bounce up center post. Old school. And and honestly, my game was in a carpet room, and I never have a problem on the carpet. I actually moved it to the living room on the tiles, so I could actually The game really needs you to slap it around and nudge it, which other games do too. Sure. But I which other games do too. Sure. But I really feel that this one really needs it. And when the spider gets the ball and chucks it in your right right out lane, right? You know, and and I'm just going, You know, and and I'm just going, so they got to add a ball save, right? so they got to add a ball save, right? They got to add a little ball save there off. As soon as it comes off the spider, off. As soon as it comes off the spider, you need a ball save. All right. Maybe, All right. Maybe, maybe not. No, I don't think so. You're not getting Or maybe just in the right out lane. Or maybe just in the right out lane. Just in the right out lane. I don't know. You're probably not I don't know. You're probably not getting that. And probably not. But the left out lane like probably not. But the left out lane like is just, you know, and there's elements and I, you know, and there's elements and I, you know, again, I don't want to sound like a Debbie Downer, but like when when Elwin went on record and kind of said he didn't really want to make King Kong and George had to like persuade him to, I kind of feel there's elements of that I can feel in the design because there's a few areas that feel a bit bandady to me. And the left out left out is one of And the left out left out is one of them. Yeah, man. I'll get I like the left out lane because it's I like the left out lane because it's really neat with the river coming through and blocking the river. It It is cool. and blocking the river. It It is cool. So, the left out lane totally makes sense with that what they're incorporating there. All what they're incorporating there. All right. Listen, the greatest thing about pinball is that if you don't like it, you don't have to get it, right? But you have it. I mean, so that's unlucky there. But I'm struggling. I'm struggling to get I I'm struggling. I'm struggling to get I sit between 80 mil and 150 mil all the time. Okay. Okay. But I have more games I have more games But I have more games I have more games where I get under 50 and I rage quit and leave. So Jaws is that way to me. So Jaws is that way to me. See that's interesting. See that's interesting. Okay. So Jaws, dude, I'm 50 million or Okay. So Jaws, dude, I'm 50 million or 300 million. But is that because Okay, he's a 300 because Yeah, but it but the jaws the ball stays alive a lot longer than in King Kong. Yeah, there's more playfield. Yeah, there's more playfield. Yeah, but it just it doesn't drain Yeah, but it just it doesn't drain anywhere near as much, right? So, yeah, there's more there's less [ __ ] to yeah, there's more there's less [ __ ] to hit in the middle the jaws. I feel that if you know the the jaws. I feel that if you know the code, you know how to score points, but if you don't, then you're always going to sit under a 100, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you know Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you know the code, you're not really wasting your time with the first multiball. And yeah, yeah, you know, you're you're doing you know, you're you're doing much more what is it thing count? Shark much more what is it thing count? Shark encounters and you're you're really working on your shark encounters and and your mo I just don't know that game as well as I've started to learn Kong, you know. So, yeah. Look, with Kong, I love the shots yeah. Look, with Kong, I love the shots you can do, the combos with the left orbit, the biplane ramp, and then, you know, you get your super super secret, super duper skill shot, which if you can nail six of them in a row is great. Um, but there's nothing in between. It's either you have a good game, you have a really [ __ ] game. So, it doesn't it doesn't uh look at So, it doesn't it doesn't uh look at your eye. It doesn't, you know, what am I trying to say? It doesn't, you know, fit your eye. It it it might not be a game that that toot your horn, dude. Forget it. Yeah, I know. But I'm just so I'm so Yeah, I know. But I'm just so I'm so like devastated because like I'm gonna I'm gonna keep I got guys that keeps telling me like Don texts me randomly and goes, "Play better. Play better." Play better." All right. Yeah. I mean, there there's All right. Yeah. I mean, there there's some of that, but if if it doesn't suit your eye, right? I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Uh yeah, yeah, then forget it. Then dump it. then forget it. Then dump it. You know what game I couldn't suit? Like You know what game I couldn't suit? Like again, you know, these games where they don't I I can't play Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah. Can't play it. I think it's a ridiculous Can't play it. I think it's a ridiculous game. And you know, I think you're pounding an action button like a lunatic and you got to move all this [ __ ] And I don't know which R2-D2 or Han Solo or Tie Fighter or H. Forget that. And the story is all over the place in Star War and got episode six. Like [ __ ] why why am I on the Death Star and I why why am I on the Death Star and I haven't even met Princess Leia yet. I know it's it's bananas, right? So that I know it's it's bananas, right? So that game but if you someone who knows the code and loves that [ __ ] and loves the flow, they'll they'll fight you talking about it. They're like, I love Star Wars. Yeah, Yeah, but I can't put up 300 million. but I can't put up 300 million. No, that's terrible. No, that's terrible. Yeah. So, new Star Wars, huh? new Star Wars, huh? New Star Wars. So, for me, this is an New Star Wars. So, for me, this is an awesome Everyone's like, "Oh, is it really going to be four, five, and six again?" And I really hope it is because I feel that they had they had a they had a game that wasn't they had a they had a game that wasn't meant to be Star Wars. It didn't go their way. They reskinned it as Star Wars. And you can feel that it's been reskinnmed. It's, you know, for a Star Wars fanatic, it's missing toys and mechs. Um, for it's missing the storytelling element. I want to play it like Harry Potter where I visit every film, right? As opposed to visiting characters and then like I'm just appearing in the middle of a [ __ ] Death Star for no reason. Um like I think this is their way Yeah. their way of going, okay, well look, the first time it was good. It still sold well. Star Wars is always going to sell well even if it's [ __ ] But like the new one, if it is similar to John Borg's original Data East Star Wars, which he also designed, right, and he's rumored to be on this one, I'm okay with that. Like, as long as it's just modernized and, you know, there's rumor that it's going to be heavily about Empire Strikes Back, but still have the other films as well. Like, it's probably going to have a massive walker in the back and bit of snow, a littleat and all that crap, a littleat and all that crap, at whatever the hell they call it. at whatever the hell they call it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So, yeah. Look, I think they can. I So, yeah. Look, I think they can. I mean, but that's a license that you could just milk it till the cows come home. Like, it's one of the best license. They it's one of the best license. They they've got massive licenses if they do have Pokemon. If they do have I mean, they have Star If they do have I mean, they have Star Wars and that they've released four, five, and six. I was kind of hoping that like the Ellie would be black with Darth a lot of Darth Vader. It probably will though because there's that there is rumors of Darth Vader like having a big presence. Um, you know, I think it was one of the reasons why the Empire Strikes Back Pinball we got, you know, in the 80s was so popular because it had that Darth Vader head on it and, you know, it was about the best film [ __ ] ever made really. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know, so You know, so episode five is the best. episode five is the best. Yeah. um you know, an element of me as a Yeah. um you know, an element of me as a as a a 40-year-old man going back to watch episode one, two, three, I appreciate them much more now than when they came out. They're actually very good. You got to They're actually very good. You got to watch them again. Really? Really? Oh, you got to watch them again as a as Oh, you got to watch them again as a as a You're not going to get me You're not You're not going to get me You're not going to get me to like anything Jar Jar Banks. I skip if I go watch episode one, I'll skip the anything Gungan. I'll skip the anything Gungan. I don't really give a [ __ ] about the I don't really give a [ __ ] about the Googans. I try to skip anything with the kid pod racing because that's embarrassment. That kid is like the worst actor they could have possibly gotten. That's fake. Yep. That's fake. Yep. Right. Like dog [ __ ] acting and then um Right. Like dog [ __ ] acting and then um it's just a And then the the the puppet Yoda in the first one looks like [ __ ] and then uh I don't know, man. Episodes one, two, three, the second and third are very good for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the now Darth Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the now Darth Maul pretty badass in episode one. pretty badass in episode one. That whole fight scene is is epic with That whole fight scene is is epic with the John Williams music. Okay, so I typically just skip to that if I just show me that that's the best part of the movie. Well, look, I mean e either way, John Well, look, I mean e either way, John Borg I know John Borg as a designer frustrates people because some of his games are they're either very similar or very hard. Um I loved Rush's layout. I think Rush layout is better than Metallica. I just struggle with the theme. I don't like the B. I didn't even heard of the band until the game come out. Get out of town. Get out of town. Never. Now Australia. Rush. Like give me Never. Now Australia. Rush. Like give me ackadaka and like Kiss. Sure. But I we there is a lot of people in Australia there is a lot of people in Australia that never heard of Rush before, right? Um which I get it. which I get it. Rush is harder than King Kong. Rush is harder than King Kong. No. See, I have a [ __ ] great time on No. See, I have a [ __ ] great time on Rush. See, that's why Pinball's the best, Enzo, because that's a ridiculous statement, but that that's why Pinball's the best. You like Rush. I can't I can't get 15 million on Rush. I can't I can't get 15 million on Rush. Okay, so Rush has that [ __ ] in the middle of so Rush has that [ __ ] in the middle of the playfield, too, right? But I can just But you just go past it. It doesn't like jank your game and drain your balls, right? Like sounded terrible, but um like But Like sounded terrible, but um like But you know, Borg can be frustrating for some people. I love a lot of his stuff. Like I loved his Iron Man. It's simple, you know? I love Iron Man. It's simple, you know? I love the the Tron. Um the music pins. Yeah, I'm a bit over them, but like Kiss wasn't great for me. I find that really boring. Um no, was it Did he do Kiss? No idea. No idea. Maybe he didn't. Maybe. No, that was Maybe he didn't. Maybe. No, that was Steve Richie, I think. Oh, I'm Don't get me lying. I I don't have my Don't get me lying. I I don't have my notes in front of me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I don't know every single designer of I don't know every single designer of every single game. Most people do. A lot of people do. So, I I find their intelligence amazing can, you know, that they can keep all this in their head, but I'm pretty good, but not that great. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Um, it's not even Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Um, it's not even loading now. We We're getting smashed with bad weather here. And in Australia, every time it rains, it's got the worst. Like, our internet, people don't know how to drive. Our internet goes [ __ ] crazy. Um, no, it is John Borg. What am I talking about? All right. Well, good. There you go. All right. Well, good. There you go. Anyway, so yeah, but like some of his Anyway, so yeah, but like some of his stuff can be frustrating. So, I know some people like, "Oh, really? Um, you know, Steve Richie is a great designer and everything, but there's a lot of repetition. Like Elton John is just Star Wars Ellie, Stern Star Wars, and Star Trek NextG. You put them side by side and you look at them and you like overlap them. Like I photoshopped an image just to prove a point to someone cuz he's like Elton John is nothing like Star Trek from Stern. I was like, it is identical. Instead of the piano, you've got the Enterprise, you've got the warp ramp, you've got that on Elton John. like there are so many elements and like and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. But like, you know, he's a he's don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. No worries. I like Elton John. It's a No worries. I like Elton John. It's a fun game. It's a cool shooter, you know. Uh do I want an Elton John in you know. Uh do I want an Elton John in my house? Probably not. I don't love Elton that much. I mean, well, there's no doubt. Elton John is a well, there's no doubt. Elton John is a hell of a fun time, especially when off and the music. But if you've got Star Wars and Elton John in your collection, you're probably going to go, "I'm playing the same game is my point, you know." So, I don't I don't know many you know." So, I don't I don't know many people that own both. Let's put it that way. Um, uh, what's your take on all this Predator stuff? Oh my god, they botched that, huh? Oh my god, they botched that, huh? [ __ ] hell. I was involved. So, those [ __ ] hell. I was involved. So, those that don't know, and I don't know if I've told you this, and I don't know if I've told you this, so I was involved in the launch of that game. Like I was talking to him months before they were like I was under NDA with some stuff like you know and it was and I reached out to them multiple times saying let's get Gonzo to your factory. Let's do something. Let's record something. Let's get a game to the channel. You know it's a safe channel. Gonzo can be critiqued very, you know, very tastefully and professionally. He's not going to like rage quit on you. um you know he'll tell it how it is and give you feedback and blah blah blah crickets they wanted to do it their way which ended up being botched. I love Daniel from Pinball Brothers but he's not the right person to be doing interviews um because he's just he doesn't mean to be. He's just his personality is real really mellow. Probably a little monotone. Probably a little monotone. A little monotone. And that's okay. But A little monotone. And that's okay. But like maybe have someone else with you to pick up. Don't you want a hype man, right? I Don't you want a hype man, right? I mean, you kind of want a hype man. You want a hype man, you know? And they You want a hype man, you know? And they tried it with Chenus, but Changus isn't everyone's cup of tea. I love the boy and he's my boy, but like I know a lot of people don't struggle with Chenus a little bit don't struggle with Chenus a little bit because his energy and his voice is too much and blah blah blah. Yeah. But Yeah. But I like I like Jenus. I like I like Jenus. Yeah, Jenus is great. But you know, but Yeah, Jenus is great. But you know, but at the same time, like, you know, we are now a few months after the release of Predator, and nobody has seen one in the wild. No one has played one. Um, you know, you know, that company's in trouble, that company's in trouble, man. Especially, man. Especially, they just released the US thing. Did you they just released the US thing. Did you see the US non-tariff thing? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, they just shut all the Yeah. Yeah. So, they just shut all the distributors in the US, basically. Yeah. So, if you're a distributor, how Yeah. So, if you're a distributor, how how happy are you when that came out, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, You're like, "What? "What? So, I'm supposed to show your game. I'm So, I'm supposed to show your game. I'm supposed to buy your game, take orders for your game, but you're take orders for your game, but you're going now direct, and you're beating me on price." Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. that makes sense. Yeah. And when you stop production of a Yeah. And when you stop production of a game, not even 6 months, that you know, you've got problems. Now, I think the rumor is that there's a licensing expiry on it. I'm like, why would you make a game if you only had six months licency? Um, you know, I I run a small business and and I I run a small business and and sometimes I I am baffled by this industry. I'm baffled at some of the decisions that these guys make and and I and I I don't want to be the guy that comes on a podcast and shits on anybody. That's not who I am. I I'm just not that That's not who I am. I I'm just not that guy. But [ __ ] it. Let's do it anyway. But [ __ ] it. Let's do it anyway. But you can't launch a game without Arnold you can't launch a game without Arnold [ __ ] Schwarzenegger, right? Yeah. How could you do that? Now you you did How could you do that? Now you you did it with Highway did it without Ripley and that was a big mistake, right? And then they get Ripley and that's good move, right? But but you're never going to get Arnold. but you're never going to get Arnold. It's just too expensive. Okay, then you can't make the game. Okay, then you can't make the game. Well, I think there's elements that you Well, I think there's elements that you could use a really good voiceover actor, right? And and use I still believe you could get Arnold footage. I'm not asking you to get Arnold to do call outs and shield game. Okay, that's what I mean. He's not gonna Okay, that's what I mean. He's not gonna shill the game. He's not gonna get call outs. He's not sitting down. That's millions of dollars. No chance. Okay, I get I'm hoping for you to use Chengers to do I'm hoping for you to use Chengers to do the call outs. Well, just get the words right for God's Well, just get the words right for God's sakes. They get the words right. I mean, my god. But, uh, which I don't really care. I went and rewatched that movie recently cuz I was like, "All right, recently cuz I was like, "All right, this is going to come out. Let me let me watch this movie. It It come. It is dirty. If you think about it, hold It is dirty. If you think about it, hold on. Think about this. You're talking about a movie with a very basic script that's set in one area basically, right? And what they did artistically with that film. It's pretty captivating. All right. You're glossing over, aren't you? Have You're glossing over, aren't you? Have you had enough? I just I had a nap. Have I just I had a nap. Have you had a nap today? you had a nap today? I did. I got one in. Uh, it's fine. It's I did. I got one in. Uh, it's fine. It's fine. You know, it sounds okay. It deserves a It deserves a Listen, I like Jesse the Body Ventura Listen, I like Jesse the Body Ventura more than anybody. I loved The Body, but uh you know, it's just an okay movie. It's not, you know, Commando or there other things. Terminator, the other things that Arnold does, but I mean, if you get the license and you don't have him, but and you can't even show him, you can only show his ankles, then what are you doing? It doesn't make then what are you doing? It doesn't make it doesn't make any sense. That makes no it doesn't make any sense. That makes no sense, right? And then when you stream it now, I have history of streaming games uh that are launched. I streamed uh Labyrinth and and the the pressure on you to do this. I streamed the Twippies and we and the internet went down. [ __ ] happens, dude. And so there's a lot of stress when that happens. But you got to have a hype man sitting next to you. You got to explain the game and we got to turn it up so we can hear it and at least play one round through and at least play one round through without us talking. Yep. Yep. That's vital to be played. And That's vital to be played. And especially when you don't have any to show anyone and you don't have any to get out there for people to play, your first thing out of the gate's got to be money. Yeah. Yeah. Got to be money. You got to be money. Got to be money. You got to be money. Cuz now what they're unfortunately doing is they're just selling they this is the parts that they've got probably, right? Let's Yep. Yep. And let's just get rid of this and let's And let's just get rid of this and let's move on to the next game. But how can you do that when Predator But how can you do that when Predator Let's say Predator is a dud. Y Y then ABBA was a dud. then ABBA was a dud. Queen Queen Queen's a dud. Boy, I'm just [ __ ] Queen's a dud. Boy, I'm just [ __ ] all over him. I just don't think I just don't think I just don't think I just don't think they can they can they can last. they can get out of this. they can last. they can get out of this. I don't think they can get out of this now. I think the name is unfortunately this I think the name is unfortunately this hobby is brutal though. This hobby is tough, man. And if you if This hobby is tough, man. And if you if you don't put up bangers, if you you know they'll let you but even, you you know they'll let you but even, you know, if you look at Spooky's progression, you know, they weren't putting out ABBA,