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Up Up and Away - Pinball Flyers

Fresh Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 21m·analyzed·May 28, 2025
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TL;DR

Classic pinball flyers retrospective with mechanical design deep-dives and local arcade updates.

Summary

Fresh Pinball hosts discuss classic pinball flyers as advertising artifacts, examining Bally Corvette (1993) and Dr. Dude and His Excellent Ray (1990) through original marketing materials. Conversations touch on machine mechanics, playfield design choices, community arcade leagues, and recent gameplay experiences with Barrels of Fun's Dune prototype and King Kong LE.

Key Claims

  • Corvette (1993) was George Gomez's only three-flipper game before Bond.

    medium confidence · Zach discussing Corvette's design novelty in Gomez's portfolio

  • Dune prototype experienced ball-handling bugs with worm mechanism capturing multiple balls incorrectly during multi-ball sequences.

    high confidence · Detailed gameplay report from Kyle at Birdfish Brewing: 'the code's not anywhere near, even still had, like, the licensor, like, this is not approved yet'

  • Dune's flipper geometry appears intentionally less secure when fully locked compared to typical stern machines, similar to Deadpool per George Gomez design philosophy.

    high confidence · Kyle: 'it felt like the flippers were more flat' and confirmation 'George Gomez is on record as saying that that's intentional on that game'

  • Finney's Arcade Wednesday pinball league opened with 20 participants including casual players and newcomers.

    high confidence · Jeff's league participation report: 'their Wednesday pinball league kicked off last week with a strong opening week of 20 participants'

  • Dr. Dude and His Excellent Ray (1990) had no ball save feature, making it brutally punishing for poor play.

    high confidence · Flyer description: 'absolutely no ball save' with Jeff commentary: 'if you're bricking stuff your game's gonna last about...'

  • Brighter powder coating colors (like yellow) on pinball machines are more visible in arcade/location environments than darker colors.

    high confidence · Corbin discussing King Kong LE powder coating: 'when you get into the reds and the blues and even some of the greens, any of the darker colors, they just get lost'

  • PDI glass is the only anti-reflective glass with coating baked into the material rather than applied as a surface coat.

    medium confidence · Zach: 'I believe PDI is the only one that actually has, like, anti-reflective stuff, like, baked into it'

  • Lakewood arcade (Detroit St, Ohio) recently added Ninja Clips, Corvette, Galaga, and Pump It Up rhythm cabinet.

Notable Quotes

  • “The code's not anywhere near, even still had, like, the licensor, like, this is not approved yet. That's just saying watermark or whatever.”

    Jeff or Kyle (describing Dune prototype) @ ~15:30 — Reveals Dune is in pre-production state with watermarked assets and unfinalized code during public viewing

  • “It's far less brown than everybody's saying. In person, it definitely is more appealing.”

    Kyle @ ~12:15 — Addresses community criticism about Dune's color palette; positive first-hand impression

  • “It felt like the flippers were more flat in terms of like when when it's fully locked on... if you locked up with a couple balls during multi-ball it just felt like I didn't have that security of the angle.”

    Kyle @ ~18:45 — Details specific mechanical ergonomics concern on Dune playfield design

  • “George Gomez is on record as saying that that's intentional on that game [Deadpool]... I'm wondering if it's a similar thing on Dune.”

    Corbin @ ~20:00 — Connects intentional design philosophy from Deadpool to Dune flipper geometry

  • “That worm is a showstopper for sure... the way that they utilize that LCD at the playfield level this time to where when you get into those harvester battles, literally the little ships move left, right, center, and then you have to hit your shots based on where it is on the screen”

    Kyle @ ~23:15 — Highlights Dune's signature mechanical and interactive features

  • “It's a lot of fun. I like the mode we get to flip and you change the gears going through. The motor shaking back and forth... the drag race up the side of the play field.”

    Zach @ ~33:30 — Corvette gameplay highlights from experienced player perspective

  • “Doesn't it seem like a real missed opportunity on this game to have the traditional just plunger shooter rod and not have some sort of gear shifter? Yeah, 100%. It needs an H pattern of some sort.”

    Corbin and Kyle @ ~36:15 — Design critique: Corvette should have had mechanical gear shifter interface instead of flipper-based gear changes

Entities

George GomezpersonKylepersonZach AngelipersonCorbin AngelipersonJeffpersonBarrels of FuncompanyCorvette (1993)game

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Local arcade operator route expansion: Lakewood venue (Detroit St, Ohio) adding competitive games (Ninja Clips, Corvette, Galaga, Pump It Up) with organized league infrastructure

    high · Corbin confirms recent machine additions; league launch scheduled June 2nd; Kong launch party June 9th; weekly Monday schedule; costume-themed launch event planned

  • ?

    community_signal: Pump It Up rhythm cabinet generating strong family-level engagement at arcade venue with daily repeat player activity

    medium · Zach reports children playing daily after school; 'boys loved it' with active participation; cleaned/refurbished machine by crew; placed at location for league visibility

  • ?

    event_signal: Finney's Arcade Wednesday league successfully launched with 20 mixed-skill-level participants using novel color-chip grouping system

    high · Jeff reports 20 participants opening week, mixed experience levels (accountant newcomer to competitive players), organized group draws, ~1 hour gameplay duration

  • ?

    competitive_signal: King Kong LE receiving strong community reception with customization appeal; powder coating enhances aesthetic and location visibility

    medium · Positive gameplay reports from Kyle and Norton; custom yellow color choice praised for matching lettering; comparison to Godzilla vibes noted as favorable

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Corvette missed opportunity for mechanical gear shifter interface instead of flipper-based gear changes for thematic authenticity

    medium · Kyle and Corbin agree Corvette 'should have' H-pattern shifter; compared to Getaway, High Speed, and arcade game precedents like OutRun and Cruisin' USA

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome everyone to season four episode seven of the fresh pinball podcast we're here with an all-new episode for your ears where we're going to talk about some classic pinball flyers is there used episodes like you know you like you know all new episode what's uh like a rerun i guess you'd say right dude we need to do a rerun that rerun saturday morning cartoon reruns well the used episode It'd be like that one that we didn't record for half an hour of recording it. And then we just started over again. It was kind of a rerun. I feel like we take a topic we've already done, but then we talk about it again. But it'll be our future selves. We're talking about it now. Is there anything that we predicted on? We'll have to look back and see. Is there something that we predicted on and that we should check ourselves on? We should. I feel like Godzilla 70th falls into that category somewhere. How early will we talk about it? You were talking about that pretty early, dude. I think you spoke that into existence. I think other people are out there trying to speak Jaws 50th anniversary edition into existence. Really? Is it going to be black and white again? I mean, that movie wasn't in black and white, so I don't think that would be appropriate. But it would be cool if they did. But they do like doing the grayscale stuff sometimes. But what if they did 3D? Because they tried to lean into the 3D a little bit. And then they did Jaws 3D. Like the glasses? 3D, yeah. Like for the art? Originally they came with glasses. Yeah. because of the one video mode is enhanced with glasses. I remember that. Did you use them when you had them? Was it?
1:59
So what are they going to do this time? It's going to be different. I don't know. With the 50th. Are we making this up? I'm just asking. Yeah, let's make shit up, right? Let's do this. It's probably going to be like Blood Red Kiss or something where they put like... Blood Red Jaws. It's like the blood out of like a shark or something. That's one of their go-to's, just the black grayscales. Yeah, because it's so cool. Oh, so cool. Which it always is so cool and it's easy to do. Three clicks in Photoshop. Click, click, click. All right. Send it. A lot more clicks as they sell them all. Right. Damn, Jeremy, that went quick.

high confidence · Corbin confirming arcade updates: 'So you guys just added what Ninja Clips went up there, Corvettes up there'

  • “If you sit there and flip the flippers, it'll rev and move back and forth. So that revving that you're doing before you plunge, that's affecting your skill shot”

    Kyle @ ~40:45 — Explains Corvette's pre-shot rev mechanic and skill shot interaction

  • “Only Dr. Dude and his excellent ray will keep players coming back for more with operator earnings that are just what the doctor ordered.”

    Flyer copy (read by host) @ ~47:00 — Original marketing language for Dr. Dude emphasizing operator profitability

  • “I danced the whole time with the boys. The boys loved it. They came home from school every day and just sat there out there and danced.”

    Zach @ ~44:00 — Family engagement with Pump It Up arcade cabinet at Zach's venue

    • Dune
    game
    Dr. Dude and His Excellent Raygame
    King Kong LEgame
    Finney's Arcadelocation
    Birdfish Brewinglocation
    Lakewood Arcade (Detroit St, Ohio)location
    Zach Angeli Brewing Companylocation
    Pump It Upgame
    Deadpoolgame
    PDI Glassproduct
    GTF (likely 'Game To Find')game
    America's Most Honoredgame
    Nortonperson
  • ?

    design_philosophy: Flipper geometry intentionally less secure on Dune when fully locked, mirroring George Gomez's confirmed design choice on Deadpool

    high · Kyle observed flippers 'more flat' when extended, community notes Gomez has 'on record' statement about intentional Deadpool design; Corbin suspects similar approach on Dune

  • ?

    historical_signal: Classic pinball flyers reveal design and feature documentation practices from 1990-1994 era, including DMD alphanumeric evolution and backglass art styles

    medium · Corvette (1993) and Dr. Dude (1990) flyers discussed for alphanumeric vs DMD display transitions, comic-style backglass translit design, mechanical feature documentation

  • $

    market_signal: Bright powder coating colors (yellow) significantly outperform darker colors for visibility in arcade/location environments

    high · Corbin's detailed analysis: 'darker colors they just get lost' in bars/arcades; only visible in sunlight during transport; 'brighter stuff is almost what you have to go for'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Dune prototype exhibits unfinalized code with watermarked assets and significant ball-routing bugs in worm mechanism during multi-ball sequences

    high · Kyle's detailed report: worm capturing multiple balls simultaneously, game requiring code improvements, watermark indicating licensor hasn't approved assets

  • ?

    technology_signal: Surface-coated anti-reflective glass (non-PDI) susceptible to wear from aggressive cleaning, eventually losing coating

    medium · Zach notes coatings 'eventually wear off' even with care; Corbin warns 'overzealous bartender' will strip coating with Windex; PDI's baked-in coating presented as superior alternative

    • 2:31
    Art director, yes, please. Yes, please. All right. To my right, on the board, Kyle. How are we doing, buddy? I'm doing great, sir. You're on like, what, nine days off in a row or something you have? You're in the middle of it right now. Staycation. So we need to talk about. I never had to come to Zach's today. Oh, absolutely. That's fine. It had been too long. A little vacation travels.
    2:58
    It had been. And to Kyle's right and across from me, Mr. Zach Angeli. I'm flipping fantastic. I can always count on that with you. Hang out, my pinball pals. Yeah, we need to talk about what's in the garage once we get into this episode. The garage gate is opening up nicely. Yeah, it's getting in full swing as the temperatures are rising. So are the number of pinball machines in your garage. There was a dance dance out there for a while. Oh, my gosh. It wasn't official. Don't confuse it. We need to be clear. Pump it up. It's nothing else. Pump it up. Whatever. As the haters will say. And to Zach's right and to my left, Mr. Corbin Angeli. Boss man, how we doing? Doing good.
    3:37
    Just hanging out, looking at some flyers. Yeah. So before we get in. How are you, Jeffrey? Yeah, Jeff, how are you? I've had a week, but it's been Memorial Day weekend was fantastic.
    3:49
    It's been a week. it's only tuesday i know dude but it's been some stuff already i spent some time in mineral city today and anybody that knows like one hour in mineral city is like a full day anywhere else so i don't know why you're just passing through i don't know how you got stuck i had to stop at the bakery and i had to check out the tv tavern i had to check out the american legion i mean there's just so much to do in the city uh no i don't stop at the drunken uncle either They would have been open. I like to think that TV Tavern and Drunken Uncle, it's literally a town of like 30 people, or not even a town, a village, whatever it's classified as. Those two bars, just the people hate each other. You either go to one or the other. There's no way you can go to one or your TV. Oh, here comes Tom again. He got kicked out of that bar. Exactly. They had some sort of weird time dilation over there to where one hour feels like 24 hours. A lot of them will bounce up to the Sandy Valley Eagles as well from there. I could definitely see that being a path. Yeah. All right. So before we get started here, we're going to go through a quick fact check. So the first item I wanted to talk about was 3D scanning. We brought that up a few episodes ago. We got some people sent some in. We did. We got some interesting feedback on that. A range of prices. I don't know what people think our budget is. So long-time listener. We're out of credit. I think we're looking. We appreciate everyone's suggestion. The 30 is 60 grand, a little high for us. Yes. It's still less than that. Thank you, though. That's a scary start. Still less. I think maybe we had built it up a little bit too high to where when people thought we were talking about buying an $18 million car. The thing is, the budget is kind of going towards that. The payment on that is a real – we're just budgeting towards that. That's the problem. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So thank you for all the 3D scanning suggestions. Definitely those will be put to the test.
    5:42
    Follow-up, Finney's Arcade. their Wednesday pinball league kicked off last week with a strong opening week of 20 participants, which was a good time. Definitely a mix of some people who had maybe only played a dozen or so pinball games before in their past and some like in their life. Oh, absolutely. There was a lady in my group who like I was explaining to her. How did she come out? What was the it was? She's an accountant her husband is really good at bowling and she wanted pinball to be her thing so he was coming that's cool to pinball and this was going to be an age range oh probably 30s okay okay very early 30s and is it seeming like it's going to be your thing without a doubt she'd had a few drinks she was having a good time she was in a group with myself um and that helped her it did because you know i'm super super welcoming you know explained to her the skill shots on a few games and and all of those things but it was an interesting you're just in their fire engine right because you're like there's a third flipper but um the way that they did the groups was cool it's like a random draw out of uh out of the bag it's definitely a different way than i think i've ever uh yeah michelle had these little poker chips that were different different colors so blue red green whatever and whatever color that you drew was the group that you were in for that night for your four games that you were playing and then the number that was on your poker chip denoted the order that you would play in. It was very well thought out and a good time. So anyone that's in the area or looking for something to do on a Wednesday night, come on out. Warm-ups start at 6. Usually we'll start getting things organized around 6.30 and playing by 7 at the latest. So stop out and say hey. If it's only four games, that doesn't take long. No, I mean we were... I think I was out there about like 8.15. And you guys were pretty much done, yeah. Yeah, so I mean if you're quick... Glad you didn't see Karen. That's right. Yeah, she'd already finished her games and was moved on.
    7:39
    But, yeah, I mean, you can be as done as early as an hour if you knock out your four games quickly. So good time. Definitely encourage folks to come out and check it out. So then during Kyle's epic time off here, he had actually came out to Birdfish Brewing on Friday and played a little pinball with myself and Noren.
    8:01
    What did you think of Dune, Kyle? What were some of your takeaways on that bad boy? It's far less brown than everybody's saying. In person, it definitely is more appealing. It definitely was. The lighting was pretty fantastic.
    8:14
    I liked it in general. Other than when I broke it, I'm pretty sure I would have got the GC. Definitely the game. Of course. I had like an 18 million game going, and the worm ate two balls and could not figure out that there was two balls in the worm. So at one point, the first ball that the worm takes, it just rolls up onto it, and the magnet takes it into the play field. All good, no problem. Second one, you shoot it, and then the worm comes completely out of the ground, and it's supposed to drop that ball on the habit trail. So wait, is the original ball still standing on the top of it, or does it slide off somewhere else underneath? So the original ball then goes in the subway, and it gets kicked out somewhere else. So it doesn't come back up with it. No. But in the time that Kyle locked the second ball, he had a second little other multi-ball going on, and he immediately shot the other ball up in the magnet grab that he was using. It was just like Evil Dead, dude. You broke that, too. Yeah, well, you know. So he played through his multi-ball. It's like so good. Code better.
    9:13
    So where there were no balls left on the play field, and the game went into ball search several times. Yeah. I mean, the code's not anywhere near, even still had, like, the licensor, like, this is not approved yet. That's just saying watermark or whatever. Yeah. But, I mean, it played nice. You think when Labyrinth, you think Labyrinth was further along when we first saw it? Like, when we played that at Expo that first time? I didn't play it the first, what, when it was? You didn't wait in line? Oh, really? I didn't. I played two games, so I guess I really don't have a full opinion. I don't have a full opinion. How far along do you think it was? I have no idea. Okay. Yeah. I was hoping you guys remembered. It didn't freeze at all on us. We played through. I don't remember them having to restart them or anything like that. And we talked to them. They said they played fine all day, but that was coming from him. Yeah. But I think we would have noticed if they were resetting them all day, like if it was tilting out or doing stuff like that. You would have heard about that. Still in the setting, it's not like you're really hearing music or call-outs too well. Right. For a first impression. No, I thought the lighting was awesome. I love the shop variety of it. I thought all of the diverters and lift ramps creates a lot of really cool, unique ball paths. I mean, the mechs on it are next level for me. That worm is a showstopper for sure. It's very cool. And I love the way that they utilize that LCD at the playfield level this time to where when you get into those harvester battles, literally the little ships move left, right, center, and then you have to hit your shots based on where it is on the LCD, like almost pinball 2000 to where hey whenever i hit this rollover on the left it then recognizes on the screen that i've damaged the ship which was pretty awesome we had a epic uh miscommunicado moment though oh my gosh because i texted him earlier in the day and i was like hey you want to go out bird fish tonight or whatever and he's like yeah i can come get you and my friend wanted to go so i was like well we're going to be a little bit later is that cool and he's like yeah yeah that's cool and then he texted me oh we're here i'm like oh I thought you were picking me up. So we got in the car and drove out. Yeah, like, I'll see you in 40 minutes. Literally, this is my reading retention is when he said that I thought that meant we're leaving later. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. Like, thinking in my head, I'll already be there. Like, I'll see you there. That sounds like I'm on my own. Get there when you get there, I guess. But we both, I'm sure, went back and reread it and was like, well, we both kind of were right. And we definitely were both wrong. Like, this is how guys communicate. so typical uh typical man reading yeah it's funny but i thought the shaker integration was pretty cool on that game when you took down the harvesters and stuff like the thunder from down under was felt like it was on another level from a normal shaker motor i just like the feel of it too yeah felt solid the only thing i noticed i think i said this when we were there it felt like the flippers were more flat in terms of like when when it's fully locked on yep like it you know not like a Gotlib System 3 or whatever, where they're like crazy. But it seems like when they were fully extended, they were still down a little bit more. And I know that can be a designer's choice. Was the swing less, do you think? It felt like it did. That makes you wonder. Or was it starting off at a steeper angle? Something. It just felt like if I was cradling a ball, it felt like I didn't have as much. It was a longer plunger, a longer instop, so you could get a shorter throw. Right. And it just felt like it wasn't as secure. if you locked up with a couple balls during multi-ball. I think it's intentional because you did cradle up on the left flipper one time, and while you were doing other things, it rolled off, and you're like, ah, shit. Yeah, because it just didn't feel like I had that security of the angle. That's interesting. But it definitely can be a designer choice, because I know Deadpool is similar to that to where the flippers, when you have them fully locked on, they don't. Right. And George Gomez is on record as saying that that's intentional on that game, So I'm wondering if it's a similar thing on Dune. Yeah, it's a possibility. It was intentional. Yeah, of course. It's all intentional. No, we meant to do that. It's a happy little accident. I mean, other than that, the flippers felt fine.
    13:14
    I mean, nobody does stern flippers. No. Just the way it is. They were snappy enough. There was not a single shot where I was like, oh, man, if I just had stern flippers, then I could hit this shot. I mean, the one when the worm is completely down, you can travel the path past the worm, hit this mini jump ramp. And then it goes into another area, which is absolutely one of my favorite shots on the game because I'm a sucker for a jump ramp. But it's one I look forward to putting more time on as everything progresses. I mean, there was, what, four or five, six different skill shots you could select.
    13:45
    I mean, there was some stuff to do. It was fun. I thought so. And then, what, in that front room, there was also a brand new King Kong LE. I know Norton and I put a couple games on that. definitely in between playing it at finney's playing it at the showroom and then playing it at birdfish i'm definitely impressed with that game i think i think people are going to be loving it for a long time it's pretty cool that night we came over i came over corbin's and put the new uh powder coating on it it was fun to play talk about that powder coat a little bit corbin also definitely gives me godzilla vibes like the games i've played on it yeah so yeah um Oh, no, it's a nice yellow. Very nice yellow. Our buddy Adam did. Yeah, he chose the color. I think it matches the color perfectly. It ties into that lettering, I thought, perfectly. It just makes it pop. When I first saw the picture of it on Instagram or something, I'm like, that cheap bastard took the Infinity Quest armor. It's actually a very similar yellow. Yeah, I mean, just like my... Which I've always liked that yellow. It's a very sharp yellow. It's grab dry. The problem with a lot of like when you get into like the reds and the blues and even some of the greens, any of the darker colors, they just get lost. Like TNA's powder coating is a beautiful powder coating, but you lose it once you get into the bars or into the arcade or wherever. Especially stuff in my basement, too. Yeah, even in your house. In your house, you don't see it. Only when you have it out in the sun as you're moving it, you're like, oh, man, that's nice. So a lot of times the brighter stuff is almost what you have to go for. I've had the windows and lines and everything open in the game room the other day. It was real weird. Yeah.
    15:23
    Well, that's the thing at Birdfish is if you're in there at the right time of day, you can get some pretty harsh light coming in from those front windows. So I would have been interested to see kind of how Stern's HD glass versus Barrels of Fun's, what are they calling theirs? It's Horizon Lighting, Infinity Glass maybe I think it's called, something like that. I'm always interested to see how the different glass battle. We really do. A throwdown, a glass throwdown. There's also the ghost glass, though. Ghost glass. There's the pin plus glass from the multimorphic people. And the voodoo is supposed to be a good one. I mean, pretty much all of them are glass that they then coat with an anti-reflective something. I believe PDI is the only one that actually has, like, anti-reflective stuff, like, baked into it. Probably in the layers or something. It never would wear off. It never wears off. It can't wipe it off. It's like inevitably the other stuff that's coated, even if you're real careful with it, eventually it's wearing off. Yeah, eventually some overzealous bartender is going to hit it with some Windex. Oh, absolutely. Soda rag. Done. It's done. Right after they did the table and they moved over to the glass. I even swapped the glass out of GTF into the Foo Fighters because it's the whatever glass. Yeah.
    16:44
    Yeah. You still playing GTF the most? I've barely been playing lately, but yeah. I love GTF. I don't know. America's Most Honored's been back on the... America's Most Honored's great, too. Probably number one game I've been playing. Okay, okay. Rebuilt the flippers and... Mm-hmm.
    17:02
    Re-rubbered it and... It's playing good. Playing quick. Playing good. So many fucking ball traps. Yeah. That's the shit. All right, let's talk some pinball flyers. So if you're newer into the hobby, I'm sure you've seen them at events and whatnot hanging out on tables of basically these advertisements for new and upcoming pinball machines. So if you think to yourself, pre-internet and all of that stuff, this would be the way that the manufacturers would get the game information out to potential operators, customers, locations, things of that nature, is they would put out a flyer. So it would typically be a front and back eight and a half by 11 sheet that would have information about the game, size, weight, features, some pictures of the game. Unboxed dimensions. Boxed and unboxed dimensions. And as we've picked these up over time, we've picked them up at Expo before. Corbin bought some from a charity auction a year or two ago. We've just kind of started to accumulate some of these ones. And we'll flip through them just kind of for our own fun. And it's interesting to see kind of with the Stern ones that they still make and the American pinball ones and whatnot versus what was back on them in the day.
    18:24
    It's always surprising there's never pricing, though. Never. You have to call your dealer. Well, I'm just saying it. You can still MSRP on there. Call your dealer for pricing. I want to kick this off with a George Gomez game. We've got a Bally Corvette here. And on the front of the flyer, it's one great American legend deserves another. Corvette.
    18:51
    There's a new breed of dream machine loose on the streets. Corvette from Bally. Inspired by the sports car America has loved and lusted after for over 40 years. Corvette is a tour de force for pinball and Corvette fans alike test drive it at the showroom nearest you but be prepared you don't take this Corvette for a spin it takes you oh my god that is so bad that's the splash page if you will of Corvette you'd be even funnier if that was a fucking DeLorean behind it complete total wrong car it's like that's a Corvette right? So interesting things. Like an 80s vet? Maybe 85? I would say. Well, so probably the latest 90s. Yeah. Because it came out in 93, Jeff? 94? I think 93, yeah. 1994. So I would assume that that's an early 90s Corvette. Get ready for Corvette. With this dream machine, there is no limit to the fun. Is there ever a limit? Never. So this game was notorious to me up until George Gomez did the new Bond of being his only or his previous three flipper game before Bond So it was kind of in my mind known for that What do you guys know for Corvette Zach, you had one here in the barcade. It's a lot of fun. I like the mode we get to flip and you change the gears going through. It was always fun. The motor shaking back and forth. You know, get to the LT5. And then the drag race up the side of the play field. Doesn't it seem like a real missed opportunity on this game to have the traditional just plunger shooter rod and not have some sort of gear shifter? Yeah, 100%. It needs an H pattern of some sort. And you should be shifting with that when you go through the gears instead of just hitting the flippers. Similar to like Getaway or High Speed Away? Yeah, 100%. Or even like an arcade version, like OutRun or any of those games that just have that sort of thing. I'm thinking Cruisin' USA. But one of those four speeds right there? because on the back of this flyer it has a picture of the dmd that actually shows like the tack and you know oil pressure your speed and all that that's when you're shifting gears if you quick shift quick enough that you get so many points and the shifts on this game are shots i'm assuming uh so there's when you do the drag race it's shots but that one you literally just hold down the flipper and like very cool kind of deal so it says analog instrumentation readouts are just one of many dot matrix animation elements loaded into Corvette. Flip as fast as you can to get revs is in our mode. And I think there's actually like a, is there a driving one on this? Yeah, there's a lot of video modes on this. There's a lot of video modes on that.
    21:49
    Cruise the crossed flags dragway in a head-to-head challenge race between a 1963 Grand Sport and a 1994 ZR1.
    22:01
    My first interactions with them was always with car dealers who had them. Chevy dealership guys would always, the dealerships would buy them, and they had a video that came, the VHS that came with it, all that stuff, and then they'd take them home. And then after a while, they'd call and try to sell them for crazy amounts or whatever. And so it was always a challenge to the first couple. I know we talked to a few of them, and they wanted like, it's like you don't understand, like it's like a used car. You think they would understand that of anybody, but they never would. We ended up getting one from a car dealership, though. Yeah, tell that story a little bit. Jeff's Auto Sales. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. And it was a re-import. And someone was going on with the DMD, and they just wanted us. I'm tired of it. I want it gone. I was like, all right, cool. So, yeah, nothing too crazy. Is it pre-clean? I mean, it sat in that dealership a long time. Yeah, for sure. We had fixed it a couple times before that. I think it's kind of funny, too, on here that says this narrow body. I was just reading that. It was special equipment, because weren't we just commenting? So this would have been right around road shows. When we were flipping through. Right, and we were flipping through. And the Tales of the Arabian Nights one, you're like, it looks like it's a wide body. And Popeye's right in that time too, which is a wide body. Demolition Man too, right? Did you know that players can load the ball into a replica LT5 engine that idles, revs, and shakes under their control for souped up jackpot totals? Yes, so before you plunge the ball, if you sit there and flip the flippers, it'll rev and move back and forth. So that revving that you're doing before you plunge, that's affecting your skill shot, correct? I believe so. The skill shot on that is just... The race. No, the LTEF1. One of the inlanes. The inlanes. I know you sit there and rev it and launch it.
    23:43
    Pretty cool game. I've had a decent amount of time on it since you had it here in the Zach Angeli Brewing Company for a while. Yeah, it's been here. It was a good one. It's fun. It's up at Lakewood, the arcade, if anyone wants to go play it. Yeah, the arcade on Detroit in Lakewood, Ohio. So you guys just added what Ninja Clips went up there, Corvettes up there. Correct. Linked Fast Brakes are up there if you're someone who's been looking to take somebody down with the Linked Fast Brakes. I heard that they're actually connected these days.
    24:14
    There's also our soccer game that we picked up at Pimbers up there. Anyone want to try and play that? And then one of the new ones this past week where Galaga went in and then the Pump It Up rhythm dance game. Pump It Up. So you had that a little bit here in the garage. You guys cleaned it up. Did you get a chance to get your dance moves on? I danced the whole time with the boys. The boys loved it. They came home from school every day and just sat there out there and danced. I mean, they did very well, but they had lots of fun with it.
    24:42
    It was a cool piece. I was surprised. It cleaned up nicely. Yeah. Dr. Dean. It did. It cleaned up real nice. And, I mean, really, we just had to mount the TV. I rerouted the TV so you could actually see the bottom half. Centered it up. Yeah. Nice. I'm just mounting the holes, changing the holes or whatever. I'm going to try to get up there for their first league night. Do we have a date on that yet, Corbin, for their first league night? Was it the first Monday in June? I believe so. I'll come with you. Yeah, you better. You can't leave me alone. It would be Monday, June the 2nd at the arcade on Detroit. I believe that's when it is, yeah. And then the following Monday, I think they're doing it every Monday, but then Quarter Up's launch party for Kong is the following Monday. So that would be June the 9th, and those typically kick off around 7 o'clock. As always, costumes are encouraged. Of course. Kong. Dressed as your best Tarzan, your best Jane. Should I show up in my single banana? Single banana. If you didn't, I would be disappointed.
    25:39
    Definitely. All right. Flyer number two is another. If somebody buys me a cheese on the stick, I'll buy them. I'll buy you a cheese on the stick. All right. It's considered done. Deal. I'll get you a cheese on the stick and a beer. Deal. I'll be there. another bally title here and this is captioned as a silver ball comics game which i want to dig into a little bit here it's uh is this part of the party series is dr dude part of the part party trilogy so dr dude party animal and uh what's the dmd one what is the other party zone party zone yep so valley dr dude and the excellent x-ray way cool pinball has finally arrived and the prescription for profits is just what the doctor ordered thanks to the spectacular gameplay action innovative scoring features and attention grabbing grabbing effects this amazing dr dude and his excellent ray and the world's ugliest cabinet get hip earn respect be the envy of your friends.
    26:42
    Only Dr. Dude has all the right ingredients for success. This is why we're not cool. We don't have a Dr. Dude. Personally got one from Allentown.
    26:52
    Has multiple value awards from the Baggo Tricks. Grand Champion High Score to date. Reflex Targets. He's trying the Grand Champion.
    27:01
    And a 1 million point Reflex 1-2-3 sequence. Who doesn't love a good 1-2-3 sequence? Like whodunit, you know, when you have to hit the boom boom to catch the criminal 1990 okay just for a reference here this is one this is an era i'm painting a picture for you guys with the display it's like the thin alphanumeric alphanumeric like one single row across the bottom not two section they only did that a few years with the speaker panel across the top they only did that for a few games and the back of the trans light is literally like that like a comic with dialogue bubbles and all that fun stuff harley davidson's like that Yeah, yeah. A lamis is like that, too. Yeah, yeah.
    27:40
    Players will quickly discover the excitement of gaining a heart of rock and roll, magnetic personality, and the gift of gab, then take a spin in the molecular mix master to activate the excellent ray. Here's the challenge of two-ball, multi-ball, and the chance to collect jackpot values up to five million points. double jackpots or even multiple jackpot jackpots and two times play field scoring and absolutely no ball save oh my god so i've played the heck out of this one up at vintage flipper world and it's like if you get into the flow and you're hitting a few shots it's a good time but if you're bricking stuff your game's gonna last about have the longer flippers though too.
    28:29
    It does not have the longer flippers. I should wait until we move on. The block flippers of those are an eighth inch longer. Because people were using those on Ghostbusters and stuff that have wider flipper gaps. Do you blame them? No. Bitches. Scoring punch for profit. When I look at this thing... It's like putting two inch flippers on everything.
    28:56
    You're about to flip and they just, whoop, gone, sorry. Only Dr. Dude and his excellent ray will keep players coming back for more with operator earnings that are just what the doctor ordered. He memorized it. He hypnotizes them.
    29:11
    I'm surprised it doesn't talk more about the Mixmaster because to me that's one of the main features of the game when you get it in there, into the Mixmaster area.
    29:21
    That's got to be magnets under there, right? Who knows when they do these because a lot of times there's pre-production shit in these.
    29:31
    It's all happening at the same time. If you look at the Scared Stiff one, I think it's got blown dart skulls. There's a bunch of different stuff. It's got the bony flipper bats from the factory that they never did.
    29:46
    Free featuring a spectacular storyline to draw in and hold players. Dr. Dude also incorporates dazzling graphics and the eye-catching impact of an all-new Optrex back glass panel the hotter the player gets, the cooler they are when it comes to ultimate dudosity the challenge of advancing the Dudometer from plain dude to super dude is a game-to-game carryover that offers rewards that are in a class by themselves pretty pretty cool It does have the bunny flipper fingers.
    30:23
    If you look at the party zone, it has the Rocco meter, and this has the Stiffo meter. I never realized that. So party zone, literally the splash page of that one is the game with a couple little... It looks real similar, though. You can tell they're siblings. Yeah, for sure. You are now entering the party zone. So these are all Dr. Dude, party zone, and party animal are all Nordman designs, correct? Yeah, that's what I thought. I do love the graphics on these. These are pretty cool. This is... Oh, yeah. Yeah, this one is... I mean, there's nothing more 90s. This is below number one. I feel like I don't see this that often.
    31:01
    Interesting. Do you see it that often? You don't. No. So look over here where it says this is a Bally game as well. A subsidy of... Is that WMS? Yeah, totally. It's on these two. Interesting. Williams Industry, probably. Yep.
    31:15
    Very interesting. so these comic type ones i'd done a post on my personal social medias a while back about these games that involved comics or came with comic books and things like that because we had noticed fathom when we were going through all of that right that had like basically a one-page comic explaining the whole story of like a fisherman falling out of his boat and going into the depths and there's 4 000 party zones but how many exports that's the question i don't know about that but But it just seems like a lot of that DMD era of that, certain like 91 and 96, there was 4,000 of every single one of them it seemed like. Like we're making this number come hell or high water and we'll find places to send them no matter where it goes.
    32:01
    There's 4,000 scared stiffs too. So Dr. Dude and Party Zone both fall into that comic category. the ninja eclipse that you guys just picked up came with a full like length comic book that has the story of of everything that's going on in the game itself so i read it the boys want to read so we read it all together whatever um if the comic book sets you up to where you are like hitting the start button and that's where you're starting off and then the adventure the adventure yeah like this is how it all happened it lays it out and then when you hit that start button this is interesting too it's a backstory doctor dude how many did they make four thousand four thousand i don't know if i believe it that's weird isn't it well norman and ask him well you so when i sat in and sat in on one of the licensing uh seminars at expo last year um they were talking about one of the early guys from i believe it was bally was talking about moving games and games that they were sitting on in the warehouse and whatever else so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that hey, this is the number we're going to produce regardless of how many orders we have going into this. Like we're going to build 4,000, and if it takes us a year to sell all 4,000, whatever. So a lot of them could have just got dumped somewhere else. Exactly. So that's why I think a lot of these ended up as being re-imports because they got dumped overseas. Or they cut them up and built arcade games out of them. Dude, I've definitely seen that for sure.
    33:25
    But then some of the other comic book ones I know dialed in came when you bought the game new in box, came with a comic book inside. There were some other ones, too, which I thought were... What's up? I think I have it in there. Oh, nice. I think all of those things are just cool that it just adds to the story of the game. Because a lot of times you walk up to a pinball machine and it's just like, oh, you take in the art, you take in the whatever. And if it's an LCD game, it's going to tell you the story. But these ones before they had... Oh, you just dropped your quarter and played. Right.
    33:55
    I think, like, Taxi wouldn't need one, but, like, it would be cool to have a Big Guns comic. Oh, yeah, I can see a Big Guns one. Or Black Knight. Black Knight? A Black Knight comic would be sweet. This Tiled End comic is very cool. So it's like a traditional comic. It even has the little approved by the pinball code authority, all of those fun things. Or even like the Black Knight vinyl.
    34:18
    Right. Or TNA vinyl. Welcome to Quantum City. Oh, Jeff, I think that vinyl's still over here. Yeah, I think I left it the last time I was here. but it tells you the whole story in the here of you know what happens with the phone and the call and everything else it just i don't know especially with an unlicensed theme i think it gives you just that extra little buy-in for a game to where oh i you know i understand a little bit more what's going on gtf has a show kind of i was like they could use a comic but they just went straight show yeah so much easier with the modern games when they have the screen to be able to tell the story while you're playing the game so that's why i think dialed in is an interesting one that like Because in addition to that, you get both. You get the comic and the whole story.
    35:02
    Let's see. Party Zone. What do we have on the back of the flyer here for Party Zone? Big Bang, Big Bucks. When it's time to party, there's no better place than Bally's Party Zone. From Midway Manufacturing Company, players will have no problem with the guest list, none other than the party animals, party monsters, and party dudes. Yeah, it is. Party Monsters is the first. Very cool.
    35:29
    Very, very cool stuff. Not Party Animal. There's characters from both of those games. I need to party all the time. Party all the time.
    35:40
    RSVP to weigh out their pinball. A classic cast of characters well-known for their staying power packs this game with fun and non-stop profits. Well-known. Party Zone features our exclusive full-sized interactive dot matrix screen. Way cool audio selections including Pinball Wizard and Hot Valley Graphics loaded up on the rocket fuel now. The Ozone's getting crowded. Wow. Wild times at the Party Zone, let me tell you. I like those games, though. They're fun. I do, too. The artwork's real crazy. Is there a game show with that being the same? Yeah, I mean that's in that same era as Dr. Dude, right? Yeah, I think so. So when we were up picking up that Pump It Up and some of the other pieces that you were getting, at the warehouse they had one of those game shows. I saw. With like no play field art left on it whatsoever. Yeah, it had seen some plays.
    36:41
    I think he had said that it had come out of a home. I heard cheap. I think he already sold it. Hard top? Whatever he had on it. I was like, no. It was more than I would have given for it. Yeah, exactly. Because I'm not sure that that's one. I got half a camel and its pizza out there.
    36:57
    Let's talk a little Champion Pub here, because this one to me came out, this is 1997, so this is going into a valley. This is headed NBA fast break time. Because there's only 1,400, I think. Yeah. So this is a good kind of indicator of that time. Come on in and pound a few, which is a nice little double entendre there for beers and fighting and everything else. But on the splash page here, basically you have the guy that you're brawling with two fists. It's like an action shot going, too, ball right to the face. Yeah, whereas you're fighting the champion pub right off the get. So you go around to the back and bare-knuckled, bar-brawling, fist-thumping action, and it kind of lays out for you the mechanisms in the game. So in the back left of the game, you have the jump rope, which is obviously cool. You have the heavy bag, the speed bag, and then the main mech on the game is the guy you're fighting. The boxer. I saw one for sale the other day, Corbin, and it actually looked really cool on the jump rope metal. They put a piece of rope. I've seen that. Like they took just that mech out and just like squoze a piece of like, um i don't know like a nylon rope with like a center yeah it's all in the center look pretty cool the gloves are off the moment you enter the rough and tumble world of champion pub you're the kid training for the for your shot at the pub championship using the flippers you make the ball jump rope work the speed bag and pound the heavy bag all to heighten your strength and coordination. Once you've built up enough life bars, hit one of the start fight shots and get ready to rumble.
    38:44
    So where did this one end up, Corbin? Is this up at quarter up right now? Quarter up. Next to Indianapolis 500. Those spoiled children of the area. D&D premium.
    38:56
    Also, this is very interesting too. So these flyers were out before the game came out, right? And so it's just interesting because you're reading through here and it literally has like code-wise, if we're thinking about code now versus like code on games came out back then the code was done right correct right because it tells you right here it has four multi-ball modes 15 jackpot levels to challenge people challenged was a contenders battled 10 different you know international opponents over 300 professional scripts so like they had the the rules the layout it was done like it was there yeah well they so back in that era to update code per se as a rom swap yeah chips yeah so if you're bally williams if you're gottlieb if you're whoever i think even john norris was on the record as saying that the last thing they ever wanted to do was to have to put out a patch or an update because it cost them money they're not going to charge you for absolute like no this game is broken otherwise it will not work it stopped earning people they will send it out then yeah because i know on the arcade side when i was into it when donkey kong first came out there was something that was known as the ladder cheat on early roms to where if you were on a ladder a barrel would never come down the ladder so then they sent out updated roms that you could put in that sped up the game and increased earnings because now the barrels could come down the ladder and it's like yeah interesting suspicious very very suspicious um kyle i know you had more time on this probably more so than the other three of us since you had it at home for a little bit. It does have the physical pop ball save post The weight uncrated pounds I saw What a new Stern Jeff It not light The shipping weight is like 280, but that's pallet, box, packing materials, everything. So I'd imagine the bear game is like 240, 250. 240, okay. I can attest to the champion pump where I weigh 50 pounds more. Yeah, I was going to say, we always bitch off 50, 60 pounds there. I think the night we moved, all those two were like, let's move it last. And I'm like, oh my God. Bad life choice. Yeah, it has the pop-up post, and what's funny about it is that if you're not on this fire. Yeah, it does. And if you're not used to having the pop-up post, it's when somebody flips, and it just goes down the drain underneath the flipper.
    41:16
    I feel like this is in the same vein as Scared Stiff to where it's a very approachable game. It's very easy to understand what to do. It's a weird-ass layout. Yeah. It's one of the weirdest layouts of any game I've ever played. Like a novice player has a good game and they could get through all 10 opponents and make it to the final fight. Yeah. Over 300 professionally scripted speech calls bring the boxers to life. So I think that's been. This is like a totally unlicensed, just random, we're going to make up a game. I think when we looked at it too, it was like the designer was like, it was their only game. There was some other. That first night you got it for sure. Yeah, something. or the first night we discovered i discovered the first night it was a fucker still mad at you about it first time corbin beats me anyway so poker night and the spitting gallery two intense video modes i've gotten i've had the spitting gallery one there's poker i've never gotten the poker one i don't think i need to get some more time on this game i'm gonna say when it's a real similar don't we all i feel like all the games every flyer i look at i'm like man this is a fun game i need get some more time on that one let's talk about one here that's near and dear to corbin's heart and one that next time it comes in i want some some alone time with it me too uh yeah midnight madness game williams title who's the designer on this one if you guys want to look it up i don't know off the top of my head junkyard hello junkyard it's so great the time machine is awesome so the Big stamp on this is the meanest game in the whole darn town. And then at the bottom, there's a little disclaimer that says, meanest doesn't really mean mean as in mean. It means mean as in cool, hip, awesome, and best. The above photo is a fictional character named Spike. Any resemblance to an actual mean junkyard dog is purely coincidental. So they credit design to Barry Osler and John Sullivan, actually. Very cool. Totally makes sense. Yeah, it does. Also, in concept, it's Adam Ryan as well. I'm not familiar with his name.
    43:23
    So I've not seen probably more than five or six different junkyards, but I can already say on the back of the flyer here, the magic bus is not the same magic bus that you have in yours. No, no, mine, I changed it. You changed it. That is what was in it. So that's what's normally in it. It's a very common mod. People always change the buses out. Mine sometimes lights up. On the bus that came in there. It's just rubber. Is the symbol in the middle of it. I hope that's a W for like Williams or something, because that would be super clever if it was. I have to look. Because yours is like a die cast. Yeah, I got kind of crazy with it. I'll get it. Because I wanted to light it up. And then for a while I was going to change it for season, like put a little Christmas tree on top of it and stuff. But I don't have time for these dreams that I have. So Adam Ryan did the animations, but, I mean, his list of games is impeccable if I've ever seen one. Roadshow, Dirty Harry, Theater of Magic, No Fear, Indy 500, Johnny Mnemonic, Whodunit, Jackbot, Attack from Mars, Safecracker, Tales of Arabian Nights, Scared Stiff, Junkyard, Circus Voltaire, Medieval Madness, No Good Golfers, Champion Pub, Monster Bash, Cactus Canyon, Revenge from Mars, Wizard Box, Ripley's Believe It or Not for Stern and NASCAR. And Jeff's fucking favorite NASCAR Turn left baby Turn left Hit the NASCAR I was sad when we were at VFW That Indy Grand Prix Got moved to the back building It was no longer in the main building Must mean this Yeah that means it's cycle At VFW Is maybe coming to an end Makes me a little sad but some features here on the back of junkyard so this is if you haven't played the game before it's one that i've fallen into before to where you have the crane right in the middle and a shot right up the middle so when you first play it it's like well i'm just gonna beat the crap out of this crane and like this yeah and you can do that but literally this is more like attack from mars where it's like you hit that shot up the middle and you just get into chaos you hit the orbits and the ramps and now you're building everything up which is really starting to unlock the game.
    45:35
    It's one of my favorites. I mean, I love every single game from this era. Build the flying jalopy. It's very sweet. Once you figure out what's going on. Players collect junk to build a flying jalopy. It's goofy fun. We all like goofy fun. Yeah, 100%. So then you can go on exciting adventures picking up fireworks for the ultimate battle with Crazy Bob in outer space. So has anyone ever made it to the... Okay. I didn't beat him but I made it to it. Nice. Yeah So Crazy I made it just Yeah I did not beat him either But yeah Crazy Bob's Cosmic Salvage Traveled back to other pinball hits Like Adam's Family And Attack from Mars In the Time Machine mode Yeah That's some cool stuff Do you like the Mamusco In the Attack from Mars one Move your car Yeah there's a Creature one There's a Future one too Oh where it goes to the future Yeah But it's a We don't know the game Because it obviously never was made Yeah I do like any game that has a little feature in the back glass, so the whole shop for random awards on the back glass by using flippers to stop flashing lights in the window shopping mode is something that's near and dear to my heart. I love that. And then, of course, in the back left corner of the game, you have the most exciting feature in the entire game, which is the great toilet.
    46:50
    This is a sleeper. Take that, Sega. This game is a sleeper. Well, what? So this has a toilet. Austin Powers has a toilet. South Park has a toilet yeah that's three games that I can think of off the top of my head that have toilets this would have been the first though I think right the first that I'm aware of yeah South Park's 2000 so what was Crazy Bob's next appearance his next appearance after this Champion Pub he's only in animations and he's talked about real quick that's right any closing thoughts on Junkyard before we move on to the next game? It's fucking... Play it. Build a toaster guide. Shoot the dog. Let me ask you this. Let's take a step back. Yeah, of course. If you were buying... If you were in the market for a game back in the 90s and you saw this flyer somewhere, like, I don't know... This flyer would not sell me. Would this sell you on it? No. This game is... Look at this giant spike dog with this weird disclaimer. I think the game is way better than a flyer. This looks stupid. This is a sleeper. This is one that... And the other thing that's interesting, if you think about it, My dad did not order one of these back in the day. I mean, does anything on there make you think to yourself, ooh, man, I can put that anywhere and it's going to make money? It's in the back room of VFW. Yeah. That says anything. And it would have been the same time we got a Tales of Arabian Nights. That came out around that time, so we would have got that. I mean, let's just, if we're just looking at flyers objectively and saying back in the day. That's what I'm just looking at as a flyer. If we looked at these flyers, would we order the game? Junkyard to me is, I wouldn't have. The dog is weird. It's like a life, because it's also like a life, like a real life dog. Because the rest is like cartoonish. Yes. Yeah. Very odd. It's a weird collab. Champion Pub, based on the flyer, I absolutely would order that. I think so, with the mechs. Like, it's showing off the different mechs. I'm like, oh, this, okay. I mean, that fits in any bar. I had to see the VHS before I purchased. See what? The VHS, they said before. Especially in the 90s, it wasn't like all the barcades and breweries we have now that are all a bunch of families. Corvette, the Flyer, seems like a slam dunk to me. It's one that I would think would fit a lot of different places. The name alone, the theme, Corvette. Yeah. But then you get into ones for me, personally, like Dr. Dude and Party Zone, and I look at those and go, I don't know. Those aren't things that I would think that would be easily placed or would get a lot of casual walk-ups. Yeah. Those are goofy, but this is at the end of the 80s. This is at the end of the 80s, though. And I wonder, too, if pricing varied dramatically between titles, too, because, like, are you going to sell Party Zone the same as Corvette or something like that? You know what I mean? I think that's the question now. Because you're paying for a license. I mean, it's the same thing now. If you look at Stern with King Kong, it's an unlicensed IP, and it's the same price. They're not going to make it cheaper. No, not now, but I'm wondering if then they did, maybe. It's a reasonable question. I doubt it. What did Dad tell us he paid two grand brand new for the other day? Talking about circus. I was going to say, I remember people talking about circuses being dirt cheap. They couldn't get them away. They packaged them with other stuff.
    49:57
    Bummer. I'd take three. I'd take five. Yeah, dude. Take ten. We obviously can't talk about it too much, but we've had our eyes on some interesting projects that are involved with friends of ours and with circus. All I can say is my circus has been having a little sleepover, a very extended sleepover out in St. Louis. That's all I'm going to say. And the end result should be something pretty cool. Yeah. So let's get into a little bit of Sega action.
    50:22
    Whenever I had picked up my Sega Godzilla, it came with a packet. I don't know how many of these flyers are in a packet, but it's a crap ton. It's a fat stack. It is a fat stack of flyers. So on the splash page of this one, it celebrates 45 years of Godzilla history on this one. So this was then 15 years before the Godzilla 60th.
    50:48
    So then we flip around to the back here. So it must be the 45th anniversary then? For like the edition pinball? So you need the 45th and the 60th if you're a true Godzilla fan. If only I would have known. Godzilla appears as if he is actually busting out of the playfield. So there is from that movie a huge Godzilla head that just kind of – Kind of reminds me of like the T-Rex head or like the dragon mech on the new Dungeons & Dragons. Like that's kind of just to paint a picture for people out there. Without a doubt because this was a very low production game. Size does matter with – why is there an exclamation point right there? With the extremely large detailed Godzilla. So that is a call out in the game that size does matter, and it goes into it. Is it in the movie at all? I've never seen. This is the Matthew Broderick 1999. I don't think I've seen it. The lizard in this movie is the least Godzilla lizard you've ever seen in your life. I remember the Godzilla, the big green for the movies and stuff, but I don't think I ever saw it. So I'm 42, so I'm a little older than all of you guys. So when this movie came out, the thing that sticks with me in my mind was there was a Taco Bell ad campaign at the time. And that's when their mascot was the little chihuahua. I remember that. Were you working the movie theater circuit yet? So I wasn't yet for this. I came in shortly after this. But it was the. I mean, it looks like they Photoshopped their Photoshop. You look at how great they made this look. Look at that. That's not even a real fucking picture. There's no way that's a real picture of the game. I was just saying, look how dark it is. Like, you can't even see the play field in the photo on the flyer. Like, what?
    52:33
    The little chihuahua's just hanging out in New York City, and Godzilla walks by, and he says to Godzilla, You quiero Taco Bell? Yeah. I remember that. Premium four-color art. Dude, they should bring back that dog. They should bring back that dog. He's not offensive to anybody.
    52:49
    He's good. Well, I mean, let's talk about Champion Pub. I think that might be a reason of why that game hasn't been remade is it's, you know, a lot like Punch-Out in the sense that the ten fighters that you go through are racist caricatures of people from around the globe.
    53:09
    But yeah, in the time that I had Godzilla, the main goal on it for me was there are four or five different multi-balls in the game, and you can stack them all together. So you can build up the taxi and you can build up the Godzilla and you can build up this and you can build up that. Well, the hardest one to get is the helicopter one. So to light that one, it has to come down through an in lane. And before it hits anything else, there are two very specific targets, stand up targets that you have to hit lower on the play field. And you have to light those a certain number of times at the multi ball shot. And then you get them all at the same time. Once I accomplished that, it was like, OK, I can it can go. This game can go now.
    53:50
    But it was definitely... The meanest, greenest game on the street. Money symbol, money symbol, money symbol. Dude, it has easy service, and it's street tough. Street tough. It's got that street toughs. It comes already dark, so you're not going to notice. Yeah, it's funny. It's really dark until the flashers go off, and then you literally can't see anything. No, it's seizure inducing. Yeah, that era Sega. Well, I think they've learned with this flyer that when you don't have a lot of mechs in your games, you just use a lot of exclamation points and just sprinkle them about. Size does matter. Monster ramps! Money symbol. Money, money, money.
    54:28
    So, would you have bought Godzilla? No, because I can't see the playfield. I mean, it literally looks like a Photoshop of a Photoshop playfield. That does not look like a picture of a game to me. I think maybe the two smaller ones on the back are. I've seen Jeff's taking better pictures of it. Yeah, this is not great. Not great.
    54:51
    All right, let's talk about some tales of the Arabian night. So this one, to me, I've always thought it has beautiful art. So that really comes through on the flyer here on the splash page. You get the cool font type for the title of the game, and it then says your wish is granted and has the big genie getting ready to hurl a fireball right into the game itself. So, you know, this one to me immediately does grab my attention.
    55:23
    Does it break down the mechs? On the front, on the splash, nothing whatsoever. So on the back here, you do have a really nice blown up picture of the play field itself that's made to look like a magic carpet. and it tells you to battle the evil genie to rescue the princess.
    55:43
    Spin Aladdin's lamp. Spin the magic lamp and watch the bonus grow. The bronus explodes in a lightning crash when blue light. Yeah, the bronus. It's like the rotator tail. My ruby is yours.
    55:55
    When the blue lights leading up the ramp are lit, experience the seven tales of Arabian Nights. Jeff, you battle the skeletons, right? Yep. Kyle, you battle skeletons? Oh, yeah, yeah. Nice. So it doesn't, I don't feel like it highlights the whole disappearing ball back as much as it could. Or the cages. So it looks like a shooting star is down here. Yep, I see it now. But it still, I don't know if you fully understand. It also has that WMS again down there.
    56:22
    I just don't know that I'd seen that logo before. The WMS logo? Yeah. But this is a Williams. Yeah, it is. Oh, you're saying a Williams. Like the classic Williams W I've seen everywhere. That's why I was saying I thought that W would be cool and where the Volkswagen thing usually would be on that bus.
    56:43
    I'm going to admit this right now, live, on this recorded podcast. I had no idea that that was a flaming gong. I just read that. I had no idea. I thought it was just a fireball. It was like, hurr, the fireball, but back down. The ball is grabbed in a magnetic burst And launched at At player as a fireball The player can hurl it back For a fiery backbite It doesn't even make a gong noise when it goes through What if they originally were supposed to be a little bit different Yeah I never would have imagined that that was a gong I feel like it's in the fireball That's what I feel like it's doing Yeah Because it starts the fireball mode like you said The magical tales of Arabian nights Fly on the magic carpet ramps around ancient bag that i mean that's kind of the whole john papaduke thing or like the crazy flowy ramps you know world cup soccer theater of magic all of that collect all seven jewels and release the princess from the genie in the bottle visit the majestic surroundings of sultan's harem behold magnificent pinball features i love magnificent look at this alternate one that was uh german oh that really calls out yeah it's four pages yeah that's there's four pages of it too definitely more in depth because i mean this is all that was you were getting on the physical flyer itself no nova games too it's not called williams of course not it's only by the people who are importing it.
    58:19
    Your wish is granted. So, Corbin, based on this flyer, you're Corbin back in... I sold my dad. My dad bought one. When Corbin was dead.
    58:31
    1996? I would have bought one. Maybe, probably. It seems like a theme that you could put anywhere. If you think about the theme, it seems like it would be a solid theme. Totally agreed. It seems like it has cool mechs, cool art, or whatever. I feel like a lot of the purchasing back then was based on placeability of theme I think so too this is a good game, you should buy this game alright thanks show you imagine back then most operators aren't getting out to Vegas for the big show or to wherever these trade shows were going to be so you literally were counting on your distributor your dealer who did have hands on the game to be able to be honest with you and tell you I think that this game would be a good run Yeah. Oh, like with Adam's family, he's like, oh, buy two. So we bought two. Same with Next Gen. Yeah.
    59:19
    Yeah, no. Okay, this one I thought was cool. I just like, for starters, the shape of it. It catches my eye because it is not. So this is the Flintstones. And all the other flyers that I have in here, I think. I don't think there's any other ones that are different shapes. This one, though, is almost like some. It looks like a rock. Like somebody. Like imagine like a stone tablet someone chiseled out. Yeah, yeah. Or like a child just went and cut the edges and none of them are straight. just to give you a visual. Yes. So for starters, it stood out for me for that, which I thought was kind of cool. That definitely grabs attention right out of the gate. So it's the Flintstones. It's a classic 94, 93. So instead of being based on the classic cartoon, this is based on the John Goodman, Rosie O'Donnell theatrical vehicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It says the Flintstones pinball has it all. The original theme song, custom dialogue by John Goodman, Rick Moranis and Harvey Corman and all their production and marketing muscle Hollywood can muster. 4,779 of those turd burglars. Dude, they had the actual actors doing the call outs. That's pretty cool, man.
    60:27
    That's when they still had some pull. So get the Flintstones and yabba dabba do it. Yabba dabba do it today. Do what? Do it. Do it, Corbin. Yabba dabba do it. It's fun for all ages. Obviously. So in the front of the picture, it has a picture of the game, and I think this is John Goodman standing here in his costume doing his little hurrah That Fred Flintstone And then the Flintstones logo It the Stone Age It the the stone age rage kind of like the bowling aspect in that game it cool it fun yeah i like that front too yeah i'm like that's fair right oh yeah when it's clean you don't even see it floating up there yeah it's a game right a game right out of history so so it talks about the things it's featuring on the back here we have the brano the brano crane guides the ball to the playfield and gives players one of many awards, which really isn't that groundbreaking of a mech. It does have the Rock Crusher or whatever up in the top left that features that. Points, totals, minerals. It has the bowling mech. It has the Dictabird.
    61:33
    It's the Stone Age version of a Dictaphone, so you would talk to it and it would record, essentially, or be able to play back for you whatever you recited to it. That was the Dictabird. I'm a big Flintstones fan. Are you struggling with me or not? No, that's legit what it is. So I grew up probably in elementary school for three or four years. The show that was on when I was getting ready for school was the animated Flintstones. I've probably seen them all. This one. Not the movie, but the actual old school cartoon.
    62:03
    That one you weren't allowed to watch when you stayed home because you had to work on that ad's family. If you're asking me, Jeff, do you own a physical piece of media of the Flintstones movie? Yes, I do. I have it on Laserdisc And I have screened it It's alright It's a movie It's better on Laserdisc It's better on pinball Than it is anywhere else Williams new smart ramps Speed pinballs To either the left or right flippers That's what they're talking about Which that is the feature of the game Where you can divert it And do all the cool stuff that it does down there It talks about the sounds coming to life in the dot metric sequence.
    62:48
    I don't know. So based on this... I would wonder how the... This came out at the same time as the movie. Correct. So you're riding that wave.
    62:59
    Oh, do I get it? This movie's going to be a hit. Was the movie a hit? The movie was a hit. Come on, man. It's the Flintstones. I wonder how much shit's in it that's not in the movie. That's a good question. It seems like every single one of those, they deleted something. Yeah, it's the Flintstones. also it's like he bowls he drives his car around and i don't know what else does he do jeff that's he works at the rock the rock quarry that's about it like so this game is pretty much notorious for being based on the movie instead of the cartoon so there's an alternate translate that you can get to flip it over to the cartoon style and then there's actually an overlay that you can lay onto a portion of the play field to them so i knew about the back glass i did not realize there's early yeah so a mad pinball friend um jeff young up in he's actually up in canada just recently restored one of these and he fell in love with it very very cool he's been wanting some time on it i love it i loved it whenever it was at league night and would have some time to be able to play it and play it afterwards it's definitely a guilty pleasure it's a longer playing game not super complicated it's easy to know what to do yeah very cool told you about one i definitely would have bought one definitely would have bought one because you have to i mean i can't speak for you but i would have to say as an operator sometimes you buy something not because you think it's going to be the best earner ever but just because it's interesting to you or something that you think is fun yeah you might ask paul maybe that's why you got one who knows who knows I'm looking at you Stranger Things You didn't care about buying that game did you?
    64:38
    You were like Nobody was super overly excited When Stranger Things came out But it's Yeah I think you talked before on Stranger Things Where it was quarter up was starting to ramp up So it was like it just made sense that you guys needed a new game We were buying them every couple then Back in that time Just to keep some new stuff up there Sometimes we get him new stuff every now and then Oh yeah, not every week I was thinking I'd take him something this week So let's do the attack from Mars here Well, okay, before we talk about attack from Mars So Raven, and I know I'd said this to Corbin I saw Pinball Brothers is hot and heavily at this point Teasing Predator Connick Oh my god The Pinball Brother the pinball brother the one picture of a box that they had posted was a prototype of the game and instead of it saying predator on it it said raven which I thought was the absolute best like deep dig of all time raven prototype it's like even they know that raven was made as a horrible rip off of predator
    65:57
    All right, attack from Mars. It's an unstoppable earnings invasion. Of course it is. Thrills, shocks, terrors. The big O-beam turns animals into giants. Flying saucers wreak havoc and an army of Martians attack the Earth.
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    That's the most serious you've ever looked in my eyes, Jared. This is serious business here. It is. We have mayhem, madness, and destruction. We're never so much fun. Menacing Martians. An industry first. Really? Hit three bank to disable force field. Center shot destroys spaceship and save the country. Strobe light ignites play field with excitement. The first one to put a drop target up the center. Is that what it is? It's a three bank. Hit the three bank to disable the force field. They're not targets. It's their force fields, Kyle. Get it together. Here, man.
    66:59
    And then when you spell Martian, you get to start the Martian attack, and you hit all four jumping Martians to launch a two-ball multiball. I guess that is the first one that has the bank that goes up and down that you go behind it. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's on a million games now. So what on Stranger Things, it's a physical five bank of drops, and then you have the ramp that can either flip down or do whatever. Attack from Mars is fun and entertaining to play I mean literally that's the first line Oh it's fun to play everybody It's a real good time we promise It's open play field Not like that last shit game we put out This isn't like the ones that everyone hates You're gonna like the way you feel we guarantee it It's a straightforward game That's fun for players of all skill levels Man this is not selling me Like I don't know Is there any featuring any mechs It talks about the dancing guys. It talks about... Dad didn't buy one back in the day, which is interesting. But, like, I don't know. Seeing there's a bunch of Martians and spaceships, I would have been very interested. Yeah, I like the theme of it anyways. Right? Like, this? Yeah. I want to play this.
    68:13
    Yeah, I don't know. I would have bought it because I like the campiness. It is definitely campy. It has a little bit of that whole comic book-y. So Adam can get us this powder coat color that is UV light reactive. Okay, so here's what's interesting. Kyle's holding the Bally one. Zach is holding the Chicago Game one. The Chicago Game one. It's the same, just a little different. Yeah, well.
    68:36
    Mine's got chrome trim. Yeah, Zach's has the powder on it. Okay, that's cool. Then there's no back on the right. Because they're like, you know what, what's it say on the top right? It's right here. Remake.
    68:53
    It's from the guy who signs everything. Oh, so it's just a glossy copy of it. Houdini's second cousin? He signed it. Tim Kietzro? Yeah.
    69:04
    His call-outs on that are iconic. It's an attack from Mars! No doubt. Isn't it Mars Attacks? Isn't that the name of the game? Houdini's second cousin. Houdini's second cousin? Oh my gosh. all right so i think we've probably went through enough flyers to this point what are some kyle what are some of your takeaways for uh part one of of uh pinball flyers most of them aren't that fucking great they're actually pretty awful for something that's trying to sell you a multiple thousand dollar piece of equipment what was the scene though like did they send out like just every like i would assume that's my dad but like they were just sending these out randomly like you're just opening the mail and you're like... I don't remember them laying around the house. I don't remember these. Absolutely. Oh, they would have kept them. Yeah. Maybe only the distributors. Just throw them around. I have no doubt. Maybe they sent them to distributors and throw these around. I'll ask my dad. Yeah, definitely I'd be interested to hear if your dad or operators were exposed to these or if it was just a... Yeah, sometimes they had the promotional things, like you had that case of the getaway sticky cookies. Little tchotchkes. Yeah.
    70:18
    I like the concept of them. Does it say anything on the Fastbreak about being able to link them? Probably not. That's for part two, Corbin. We can't talk about Fastbreak. Come back for part two. I like the concept of them, but they should have been done better. I think it's one of those things in marketing where it's like you want to be concise and to the point to where if you put too much detail on the flyer, then you might lose someone pretty quickly. It becomes a pamphlet, not a flyer. Because in part two, we'll talk about the safecracker flyer, which is one of the cooler flyers in my book to where instead of being just a flat front and back flyer, it actually has like wings that open up just like the game. And you can open the front of it. You can like peel like there's like perforated edges. Yes.
    71:04
    Then like the nearest certain ones, we can go over those too because they're like they pretty much just tell you what's on the game. We're not trying to sell you shit. They're like, you're going to buy this. It doesn't feel like almost like some of them, they're just doing it because it's tradition. Yes. It's like we even have the Spooky one. And Spooky did a top one for their topper last time, too. Oh, that's cool. The Evil Dead topper, separate.
    71:24
    Yeah, we'll have to do the next one where we dig into some of the modern ones and then some of the more cool, ornate ones. Yeah, definitely. Everyone goes through and can pick their favorite one that would sell them the most. What are your takeaways on the Flyers, Corbin? I always I literally always enjoy Like flipping through them as we start to get them And just looking at them and just Just thinking about like putting yourself In that snapshot in time because some of the Like sometimes when they have like Pictures of like models next to it Or whatever it's like it's also dated It's also I don't know I dig it And I like thinking like would this sell me Yeah I'd say nine times out of ten None of those would Like people don't even have to send me flyers I'm like yeah okay It's just so interesting now because the whole campaigns for these games are like a tease and then we're going to do a little video and then we're going to show gameplay and all of that where it's like 20-30 years ago it was just you have a flyer and the word of your distro and that's it It seems like there's a whole lot of those flyers around in quantities considering that they did not really sell games to homes then because that's the big difference now to know maybe that's the story and that's the true story about them they're getting more circulated now than they ever were for their original intended purpose yeah they're just like whoever's printing them like yeah just print a thousand of them or whatever you know there's no need to send me a flyer by the game like you know and i'm sure a lot of operators aren't like a picture is not this flyer is not going to change people buy games they don't even play you haven't even played it you haven't even the layout here's my deposit absolutely craziness take a drink um yeah it's interesting with these because i feel like at expo literally they have that one big that table that just they're all and every hour they come out and they open up the tote and they put out another big pile of whatever so it feels very much like what kyle was describing of like these were produced and by and large never really distributed at the volume. Think about the Stern Flyers we get. We pass them out as much as we can, but we get a ton of them. Yeah. So we still have numerous of each. In a launch kit, you get like, in one launch kit, you get like 50. 50 each models and like 10 at least. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. Or 500 pairs of 3D glasses, Jaws.
    73:51
    We're good on those for life. They must have made a ton of those. That's what I'm saying. It's the same thing. That one launch kit that came out recently had 3D glasses. They were like, ah, whatever, just throw them in there. Wrap it up. It's exciting. The 3D glasses. Tell them it does something. If they play it enough, they'll see something and have another beer.
    74:08
    And the die-cast Mustangs. I feel like we're going to be seeing those for a while now. We have about every color under the sun. Not mad about it, though. We have a real collection. Rare. It's rare. Rare. Not mad, though. these flyers circulating now, though, because it's cool because then we get to clock them in and check them out. You get to go backwards.
    74:30
    You have to go backwards. Unless you gentlemen have anything else, I think I might be ready for final thoughts. Kyle, final thoughts, my friend? I think we just need to play some more pinball together more regularly. I haven't seen you guys in a while. I'll miss you guys. Agreed.
    74:50
    Zach, final thoughts? I got this Fathom out here now, and it's pretty sweet. There's two modes. The classic is the classic code, but the revisited is really sweet. You're battling mermaids, and the displays turn red and green. Those are some really cool effects. They're really cool. The projector underneath is really awesome. We'll tease you here a little bit, but down at Finney's, we're going to do an old and new. Micah has a original Super clean There's only a few things I need to tweak on it to get it ready to go We're going to take it out, slap it down there next to This revisited They're going to be down there together Here in the near future, next couple weeks It's going to happen, so you can get down there and play both Experience them It's awesome It'll be a cool comparison, it'll be fun I'm excited to get them next to each other With the Mermaid Edition, Zach, you've probably mostly been playing single-player games, you probably haven't needed to try to put that updated code. I'm going to do it before it goes out. If you let it actually sit there, though, it will recycle itself eventually. You don't have to cycle the power. Good to know. I was very curious. You have to hook up a whole new monitor and keyboard and plug in a laptop at the same time, I think. Jump up and down as you do it. Do some jumping jacks. It makes sense, though, because I've seen the home brews and homebrew sections on those fast boards and when people at expo or whatever are making tweaks in their games it's always they have the the keyboard out and everything so it kind of gotta get full hacker on it oh for sure corbin final thoughts enhance enhance enhance appropriate you know play pinball and play better yeah i'm playing a lot of no fear oh i had that jump ramp three or four jumps in the row yesterday so when you got that game in i looked at it right away and i was like man the powder coating on this is awesome someone's clearly redone like the decals and they had like a really good looking game the cabinet redone for sure um some of the other signs that this game's had some plays yeah because that upper flipper had so serious slop in it yeah it was like it was like a hot dog down the fuck out it was blown the fuck out. Yeah, so he put a new bushing on, new flipper, because the flipper's also dug in, had real gouges down the shit, so you couldn't tighten it up that good.
    77:17
    Rebuilt all the flippers all around. In stops, plungers, you know, links, everything. Did a couple little things to it. The slings weren't working, fixed that. But yeah, no, it's playing great now. And the jump ramp's where it's at. And I mean, you just got Steve Ritchie yelling at you, so what more do you want? Nothing. There's nothing more that I want than just Steve Ritchie berating me at all hours of the night and day i'm playing that a lot um yeah kong is down at finney's right now it's been getting a lot of plays people have been excited about it it's going to move up to quarter up here soon at some point before uh the ninth the ninth yeah um so i think what else yeah their leagues are wednesdays quarter ups monday and then like what's going to be mondays now yeah so we'll have cleveland akron and canton all with leagues going on at different locations Yeah, yeah. And, of course, Madcap has theirs, so don't forget about them. Never, never, never. I was actually texting back and forth with the operator over there today, and they were setting up their launch party for their King Kong Pro. I think they're doing it on the 22nd of June, so stay tuned for more details there. But, yeah, I feel like there's a lot of pinball that's been getting passed around and expanded out here over the last couple months. Yeah, some Barberton action coming up here soon, too. We'll start seeing that coming together. That's what's crazy in Barberton is there was already M&M's Tap House, and then the operator who does M&M's Tap House is also opening another spot. And then we have a spot coming up, so all of a sudden Barberton's going to go from a six-pin ball town to a 30-pin ball town. I think Marvin's putting easily 15 to 20 there, he said. Yeah, so it should be a good time. As more details become available on those projects, we'll definitely pass them along to everyone. Yeah, Dune's going to be at Super Electric soon. yeah so she's up today i'm always interested in those situations because i know you and i know when you get a game in you like to have a little even if it's only just a couple days yeah some you know alone time with it to really get to know it and make sure you got all the screens plugged in and obviously obviously so quality control yeah yeah but then i know of other operators that literally will come and pick up from us or we'll drop off to them and literally within an or it's at whatever the location is. Is it out there? Did it drop? Do we know? I haven't seen anything yet because, I mean, like the Kong Premium in Medina for the axe throwing for Timber Beast, he picked it up from you and then went straight there and set it up and dialed it in. And he said that first weekend they were getting people from all around coming and trying it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, the one down at Finney's had a couple hundred plays for the weekend. Well, I know for that league night that I was in there, there were two guys in there that were camped out on it. I mean, if there wasn't someone on league for the game, they were just, and then I saw another video later on that someone had taken in there on another day and the same guy with the backwards hat was still on. I'm like, man, does that guy have like a cop in the back? Yeah. Like, does he shower in the three compartment sink or what's the situation here? Yeah. That's funny. But no, definitely lots of pinball being expanded around and more opportunities for people to get involved. So if you have a friend that you think might be interested in trying to become a pinball wizard, bring them out to an event. Bring them out to a casual location and show them a good time. Or they can just suck with us. It's fine.
    80:36
    Without a doubt. You don't have to be good. Just have fun. So Kyle, if you want to play us out here with the Mad Pinball Jingle.
    80:47
    Goodbye, everybody. Bye. Until Flyers episode part two. HIPPOP!