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Episode 43 – Zombie Yeti (Jeremy Packer) interview on Iron Maiden

Head2Head Pinball·podcast_episode·analyzed·May 14, 2018
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TL;DR

Gameplay stream of Pinball Brothers' Alien with beta code issues and rules exploration.

Summary

Head to Head Pinball hosts Ryan and Dutch play Pinball Brothers' Alien machine at Mr. Pinball Wayne's showroom. They explore gameplay mechanics, rules, and modes while encountering several beta code issues including frozen lights and mechanical glitches with the xenomorph toy. The hosts discuss the game's design, difficulty of certain shots, and compare it to other modern widebody machines.

Key Claims

  • Alien was made with less than 200 units produced

    medium confidence · Host mentions 'they made less than 200 i believe' regarding Alien production numbers, discussing scarcity and part availability

  • Alien is becoming the next Big Bang Bar in terms of part scarcity and custom manufacturing needs

    medium confidence · Host states 'that's what Alien is now it's the next Big Bang Bar' due to limited parts availability and need to fabricate custom components

  • Iron Maiden is expected to arrive in Australia by end of June

    medium confidence · Ryan mentions 'we're gonna wait like another month end of June' for Iron Maiden delivery to Australia; multiple people waiting for machines

  • The beta code version is experiencing new bugs not present in older code

    high confidence · Hosts repeatedly note 'It wasn't doing this with the old code' regarding light freezing and mechanical issues

  • Alien has awkward shot geometry compared to similar machines

    medium confidence · Host concludes gameplay by noting 'some of the shots just feel like the geometry is slightly off for some reason' and comparing to other machines

Notable Quotes

  • “that's what Alien is now it's the next Big Bang Bar because it's uh they made less than 200 i believe”

    Ryan (Host) @ mid-stream — Establishes Alien's scarcity and parts availability challenges similar to historically difficult machines

  • “It wasn't doing this with the old code. So the old code.”

    Ryan (Host) @ late-stream — Indicates beta code regression—new bugs introduced in testing version not in prior release

  • “Do you get pissed off with manufacturers selling products selling products that have these sorts of bugs and that have these sorts of bugs and quality issues?”

    Ryan (Host) @ mid-stream — Directly addresses frustration with quality control issues on new releases

  • “some of the shots just feel like the geometry is slightly off for some reason. It's a bit awkward like that”

    Ryan (Host) @ end-of-stream — Critical observation about playfield ergonomics and shot design deviating from established standards

  • “It's fun. What's the verdict? ... I like it. Um, um, some of the things, as I said, like when you compare it to a Doll Dinner or something, some of the shots just feel like the geometry is slightly off”

    Dutch (Co-host) @ final segment — Overall positive assessment with design reservations; represents experienced player's balanced perspective

Entities

AliengameRyanpersonDutchpersonMr. Pinball WaynepersonPinball BrotherscompanyIron MaidengameMartyperson

Signals

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: High demand for Iron Maiden with multiple Australian players awaiting delivery by end of June

    medium · Multiple chat participants mentioned waiting for Iron Maiden; Ryan states 'everyone is getting an Iron Maiden'; expectation of late-June arrival in Australia

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Playfield shot geometry perceived as awkward/misaligned compared to established widebody standards

    medium · Dutch notes 'some of the shots just feel like the geometry is slightly off for some reason' and describes right orbit as 'awkward'; compares negatively to other machines

  • $

    market_signal: Alien identified as parts-scarce machine with limited production run (<200 units) creating long-term support challenges

    medium · Host notes 'they made less than 200 i believe' and compares to Big Bang Bar's parts scarcity; Wayne discusses difficulty obtaining specific plastics and components

  • ?

    product_strategy: Beta testing feedback being collected via stream; developers monitoring for bugs identified during public testing

    medium · Ryan notes 'they're gonna watch back this stream' and 'they'll look at fixing them'; acknowledges beta code status and that fixes are expected before release

  • ?

    product_concern: Mechanical reliability concerns with xenomorph toy mechanism; inconsistent catch/release behavior and coil overheating

    high · Extensive troubleshooting of xenomorph toy; hosts observe it 'gets jammed a little bit,' doesn't return to exact position, coils running very hot; calibration issues suspected

Transcript

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0:53
how could they cut the power man they're animals how are you doing [Music]
2:02
[Music] qualified start mission at center airlock [Music] um still no word on what production will look like in the future mick the the rumor is that they are going to try and resurrect it at some stage but who knows
3:10
buffalo thank you for the hosts yeah let's go so far all right girl the night 13 mil everyone can i go in three two one lord jesus [Music]
6:46
okay it's a strobing blue shot i think a um a conventional layout it feels okay
7:55
oh [Music] oh [Music] oh [Music] all right i want a nice clean dispersalist stand up
10:14
now the left [Music] so massive thank you to mr pinball wayne for allowing us to come into his showroom and play this wonder right in lane i wonder if it's gonna be right again
12:03
queen is grabbing nothing [Music] how are you peppers [Music]
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    product_concern: Direct criticism of manufacturers selling products with known bugs and quality issues

    high · Ryan asks directly: 'Do you get pissed off with manufacturers selling products that have these sorts of bugs and quality issues?'

  • ?

    product_concern: Beta code regression: light board freeze during gameplay not present in prior code version; mechanical toy (xenomorph) catching/stalling intermittently

    high · Hosts observe 'It wasn't doing this with the old code' regarding light freeze; multiple instances of xenomorph toy jamming and not returning to full position; coils running hot

  • 12:48
    where am i shooting right right man super jackpot is lit how do i feed that flipper probably the either orbit you might put it down here or just in front of the back doesn't it oh okay so cradle separation
    14:15
    just to let you know [Music] i don't know what it is like a hurry up but [Music]
    14:56
    you gotta burn some eggs left and right over shooting [Music] so once you do for the four top ladder modes uh they're not in order it's like the little mini wizard mode which is a load of battles you've got one more to go so i've got to qualify the mission qualify mission you have to roll over here and here so left ramp and right right or if it just drops in there magically i believe
    16:48
    obviously it's the last mission [Music] well there you go there's the score of the night so far running on ball two
    17:37
    remember we're looking for civilians in here [Music]
    18:52
    too many shots not enough aliens yeah there we go let's see if i can get any kind of engage [Music]
    19:47
    oh bloody thing didn't trigger shitty thing
    20:00
    yeah let's see dr kelly tech that's why we need ryan here so ryan can tell us what we need to shoot for well we got travis in the uh cs ranging yeah we got trav there in the in the uh chat and he owns all these machines so he'll be telling us now tell us the rules
    20:16
    what i want to ask travis how come wayland and yutani aren't lit does that mean that since it's the fourth mode i have to roll over them twice to light the mode weyland yutani take it away
    22:24
    oh do you see that [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] happened to [Music] how do we get into new multiple
    23:19
    oh yeah okay i think when the mode's starting it gets yeah it does the xenomorph works it's working well there you go you have to get that uh
    23:57
    for three cycles to save mute so if you could do that yeah just sit up on the board okay yeah that's super hard this will be the hardest one i'm gonna shout out to myself
    24:19
    [Music] oh david feel number two dear lord jesus i'm gonna have to have a better game this time
    24:53
    shoot left orbit or left ramp can you backhand it yeah you can don't think so much
    25:19
    [Music] we got problems tomorrow yeah yeah i'm guessing trav that you can combo skill shots right because i see that after you hit the skill shot everything is still lit so i'm guessing the second shot is a super skill if so can you keep it going can you keep on uh doing multiple skill shots over and over
    26:40
    there's some good shots in this game and that is clearly the worst shot the right orbit yeah it's hard it's not hard it's just like it's just awkward yeah the thing's in the way yeah
    27:46
    morning [Music] so by the end of the stream we need to determine whether i'm going to swap my hobbit from one of these [Music]
    28:41
    you play too much though you play your machines too much for you to have an
    28:58
    holding up any any issues if marty gets it and streams it once a week is it going to break yeah queen's nest what happens with the queen's nest quick round i need your knowledge i don't know i'll tell you that's actually guessing it's going to be shooting shooting orbits
    30:15
    and it hasn't accepted your time once oh my god surely every time you hit a new level
    30:29
    yeah completely giving you more time yeah this is 1.2 beta code trap so let us know if you see any differences
    30:58
    i didn't get the change [Music] vengeance on is trek smash it down
    31:58
    i guess travis is a no-brainer so you reckon i should travis [Music]
    32:45
    oh what hey trev how do i get the skill shot i'm going to ask him every single question um to get the weapon is it the stand ups they get you the weapon [Music]
    33:07
    i'm pretty sure the yellow ones will give you a weapon and those will just give you engine ignition
    34:24
    [Music] geez i come around fast um in that find jonesy mode is that what it's meant to do it's meant to flash the shot you meant to hit the shot you know really quickly and then you need to make the shot before it changes again
    36:55
    there yep so this one smart collects bonus x two xenomorph heads okay the smart connected different mode if you want right okay so [Music] is that like hobbit where you build it up and then you can do it or do you only get one per ball you only get one per per usage so you've been collecting the the weapons you've got three different weapons you can cycle through [Music]
    37:36
    there it is combat drugs [Music] why am i hitting the shots when i want to miss the shots
    38:45
    oh [Music] okay [Music] we need to lift this off how can we do that
    39:49
    i don't do the voltage right not in multiple sure yeah
    40:07
    what am i doing now i'm cheating now money [Music] so i've obviously done one cycle cycle there oh my god
    41:44
    yeah pretty hard ah it has to go down the side that you know
    42:19
    that's right you're okay um [Music] oh this is a shout out to do we do numbers [Music]
    43:35
    [Music] there you go that's for you peppers oh also the egg champion well done [Music] game over [Music]
    44:37
    chinese [Music] how are you ben thanks for watching man [Music] i think half of the cheese died
    45:23
    i think it's frozen this is baby code by the way [Music] is that the problem
    46:01
    the bottom flippers kept on working but that all the lights froze and the top of it didn't work the switch in there didn't work so gave it a good 15 seconds and now it's rebooting usually that would be uh usually there'd be like a you know the emergency destruct system is now activated it's beta code so i mean that that's that's software control so it might be i'm not sure if it's hybrid
    46:29
    it depends on whether you choose alien or aliens at the start of the mode at start of the game so ryan has chosen alien so he's call out should be from the first movie ah they're not skill shots they're just combos okay
    47:11
    uh one two three that's a super hard shot close how are you actually meant to get it in there besides that
    48:13
    so what is the preferred movie is it alien or aliens that's one that everyone hated i enjoyed that too but for me the first alien was my favorite
    48:43
    the second one was amazing too it's not binary here uh this is actually quite a fun game
    50:02
    [Music] morning thank you dr girly tech she's pretty
    51:06
    for nine months in a row you are still going strong still going strong plato is that george that's me sorry smash this out then let's go continue
    51:38
    where do i put my money for the hydrofoil i want to get in early andrew i've got it here ready to go give me you know 50 percent return on my investment guarantee it'll be here by next week i'll take it
    52:10
    no filter drive it in the airlock let's wait hydroponics [Music] come on let's do something this time
    53:25
    there we go airlock when this game first came out everyone complained that the airlock was really hard to hit
    53:48
    that's the first junction there's one ryan let's see if i can get the second one second one
    54:17
    oh wait we can use your weapon to finish it off henry thank you very much [Music]
    55:30
    uh [Music] we know because we check pinball trademarks [Laughter] oh yeah we are nerdy about many things
    55:59
    what's going on no one's got any good scores killer app they're in um
    56:26
    [Music] try and bounce it off nice doesn't every time or quantum city probably would have also would have been better
    57:23
    [Music] really wanted oh yeah stuck it again it's not it's not getting it clean oh you're actually nearly good you got it it's not magnetized yeah
    57:52
    so [Music] all right now let's just wait for the uh full search you get the right balls in there because it's like the magnet is not letting go sometimes no no it's not going all the way back okay because it it's it's still getting caught as it's coming back up the xenomorph thing goes out when it comes back up it keeps getting caught so it doesn't go all the way back sure yep
    58:51
    hello every time you flip the flippers it resets the timer for the ball that's it yeah are you serious
    59:18
    so does it do it every time or just well it has been it must be hitting every time maybe half the time oh that's me okay so what that's probably doing is probably it's probably hitting the bracket on the target
    59:38
    [Music] it's a calibration adjustment [Music] is up doesn't even the start button doesn't even light up
    63:32
    just in case guys just in case we're getting some stack overflows [Music] ryan is good with balls yes i am
    63:43
    martin's still waiting for iron maiden alley yes he is we're in australia so we're gonna wait like another month end of june penn stadium get in george is waiting for one too yeah everyone is getting an iron man statings will arrive before
    64:25
    humans make illogical decisions thank you for the sub of the follow repair thank you so much
    64:40
    all right avoid the assets [Music] gotta find jonesy now [Music]
    66:01
    oh i was gonna go so i press this i think that could be my pizza just there
    68:04
    [Music] you can't skip any of these animations by the way
    68:25
    in order [Music] all right [Music] it's funny how some of the modes are super easy it's an apc one the one that had like three levels
    69:06
    shift monday thank you very much for that all right now the right [Music]
    69:26
    10 seconds 10. yep oh [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] you can press your gun yeah
    69:48
    are you serious everyone's gonna eat pizza i'm gonna play a full play game on my own
    70:09
    [Music] right what's happening lifestyle complete okay so so you guys see how there's the egg and then there's the face hugger and there's something and then there's a chest burster and then there's the alien that represents one life cycle right and if you complete them in order three times i believe it starts to save mute multiple possibly
    71:13
    okay so there's two entrances to that um that one is in there or over there all right so i
    71:38
    is still there find [Music] okay [Music] all right
    72:09
    [Music] why you're up so [Music] you're getting me on your own [Music]
    73:33
    how did they cut the power man they're animals what do you reckon cyber reckon that's a it's a better light show or just different
    75:59
    player three hang on [Music] so [Music] good morning illuminated side blades i don't know if they're plugged in or not because they're not on at all unless it's like marty has this massive light that's shining on us i don't know that's drowning it out but they don't seem to be on
    79:08
    don't be like that obviously the the senses at the top are not the bottom yeah it's got to go in there yeah oh now that i know we'll do that next time so then why is that last post even therefore i guess to give it a big bump up okay here we go guys [Music]
    80:02
    now what i'm going to do is shoot chest burst to hello [Music]
    80:53
    yeah koobs it's a bit like big bang bar you know like i know they use some of the parts um there for um you know that are common across other machines but if you break certain plastics in big bang bar you're pretty much going to make them yourself that's what alien is now it's the next big bang bang because it's uh they made less than 200 i believe i
    81:19
    wayne what kind of parts he has i know he's gonna get some of the um the art pieces and the pop bumpers and stuff like that but i'll ask you about the past so what are we gonna do here now queen's nest
    81:33
    two pop bumpers [Music] uh [Music] i don't know if you heard that but apparently uh wayne has pretty much passed but apparently the kimbell brothers are gonna have all those parts of sale on the website soon so i don't know
    82:33
    all right so you've got the wizard mode ready [Music] i think you can stack this with um xenomorph as well so you don't want to start waving on that [Music] come on [Music]
    83:36
    what [Music] see how she goes scott's gonna ask me if parked when an issue would alien have a place in your collection my collection yeah not yet
    84:47
    i think that's an awesome thing i think the shop layout is amazing very creative but it's like a little bit geometry
    85:25
    i think a lot of the parts of proprietary axle like um different i believe because they're one complete part kill it again [Music] that's that's a mode that's a mode
    85:55
    you know what it might be i remember hearing something about that that it kills
    86:03
    actually scott you've got an alien is there a mode that kills your flippers or is this a software bug [Music]
    86:16
    sentry gun i need both waylon anytime 18 meters [Music] um please [Music]
    87:08
    it's a good response time wayne's just addressed those people that are worried about spare parts by a second machine what he said so it's only 14 grand or whatever it is
    87:24
    [Music] would you do a straight swap with one of these
    87:59
    [Music] i do so i'm enjoying playing the game so intense gets you a heart can i pump him all right derelict sheep they're leaked oh yes
    88:15
    just a casual two-way combo and directly into airlock [Music] i'd love to say there's a fluke but that's you've done that many times now it's funny that you can hit it on the floor i know but not should be like that's a very close shot okay [Music]
    88:36
    where does it go it just disappears oh it's there okay it's just being staged
    89:33
    sorry axel said i agree ryan when i planted it really got my heart going very tense thanks peppers enjoy your day
    89:48
    weyland and yutani it up again ready freeway combo oh what violins you doing you're ruining my combo
    90:02
    to complete a life cycle now in the middle yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i was just thinking the exact same thing there you guys cycle complete
    90:15
    you're going to change oh driving in the airlock outer space
    90:45
    i was consistently hitting that number two shot okay [Music] how many
    92:04
    [Music] i thought i was going to be able to put you know rises be [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] or something on my score but it doesn't look like it it's going to be wayne's riser picture
    92:44
    [Music] failed concentrating on the other one to try and lose
    93:34
    i think if it is actual none of the shots feel conventional and that's part of the appeal so that left ramp in particular it's very findable but i guess because it's a wide body it just doesn't feel natural but it's still very cool
    93:55
    playing three i thought i was three all right no you weren't with the score three
    94:41
    are winning still [Music] what got destroyed it did say tank destroyed so so we died so i think that must be
    97:05
    there we go we can get that second shot over there you reckon all right here we go number two on the face like right into here that's the first junction
    97:31
    no that's a bad [Music] and it's because these bloody rampy things here just cover everything i keep forgetting there's a flipper there on the left anyway that's me that's you who wants a shout out who wants a shout out axel axl axe axe
    98:11
    maddie [Music] uh who else wants one taking marty's one ah lame that's uh bruce bruce what's your what are your initials bruce something nightingale bruce bruce b come on bruce i'm on a timer here bruce
    98:42
    bruce i'm gonna do bruce slam nightingale yeah bend over for andrew highway 69 as well that's why i put bruce oh my [Music]
    99:29
    chris said uh tell wayne to take his top off you secure that [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] hudson come here
    100:24
    it's actually pretty good quickly we have to talk take it away
    100:39
    all right i want a nice clean dispersal this time [Music]
    101:26
    [Music] don't move [Music] so [Music] my demolition man express elevator [Music] ah everyone's been talking about repair questions all night bruce [Music]
    102:55
    i love bricking sharks it's the best mode in darden as well oh all right it's all right
    104:18
    you are not wrong between this and wizard of oz and stadium could have a business for life queen's nest so this is going to be eggs i think
    105:11
    oh [Music] can't backhand that ramp like that [Music]
    106:24
    [Music] do you read me well it's actually not necessarily in the dark because there's a i've got a big um box light here so lit up
    107:19
    remember we're looking for civi's in here [Music] morning
    108:57
    what you want to hear when you're losing people yeah exactly
    109:13
    super skill bonus [Music] you know on the shadow how each ramp has a plastic on top of the ramp entrance my left one is missing looking at the manual now it didn't seem to be even the part listed there is that needed or not needed do you reckon i don't seem to get any
    111:20
    switch to dcs ranging i'm going to try to get more than five million let's do this
    111:30
    it doesn't score like batman [Music] come what [Music] i'm dead
    112:19
    that's because of the mode i don't know the [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] just broken you love me play three when you're ready
    112:34
    one express elevator to hell going down one two three
    113:03
    two yep [Music] eight seconds just let me fail they mostly come at night mostly [Music] three seconds to do what
    114:38
    [Music] ah a bit of clipping there on the screen [Music]
    115:02
    [Music] it's ready nice eggs oh i just saw the how long's that been here [Music]
    115:39
    all right we gotta wait guys a little bit it'll go ahead and go back in again and then i'll drop it i guess do you notice it halfway through when it's going back it does a little like stutter i think that's when it's hitting it it's like it's getting jammed a little bit so then it never goes back up yeah but it's not going to the exact right position i think that's what's happening so i think if you open the door the jaw opens a bit more you can set that in settings too i think to enjoy how far the jaw opens i reckon the jaw is hitting on those two back of the stand-ups because stand-ups get hit they get
    116:53
    [Music] so what we'll do is all right i'm gonna try and get into loader battle [Music] one
    117:11
    [Music] oh have i started it damn that's it this is a wizard mode but okay i do have full save on this so i gotta hit the left orbit mighty tries to do it for about five minutes couldn't do it
    117:43
    [Music] one fell short [Music] i didn't need to do any of that all right let me help the middle [Music]
    118:29
    now what now the mystery shot sentry guns yeah i want some sentry gun actually how do i start century again multiple [Music]
    119:20
    [Music] values [Music] finish all right find jonesy we gotta find jonesy you can do this together marty you can go back in your phone if you want money no no i want to wait i want to see where it is because i couldn't work out what was happening
    120:18
    oh it comes a bit of multiple action sentry guns how'd you get that okay i think you have to get a thousand switches or a thousand something in that lights over there i heard the call out i didn't know what it should but yeah you have to shoot the mystery thingy plus in the middle of the multi wall let me figure that out
    120:43
    ah do you feel like less in control of the ball with these flippers like yeah there's something weird about them that you fumble the ball more than them yeah they're not as bouncy or spongy or like m50s
    121:17
    [Music] hold on okay is that you yeah no oh shoot it's a big bonus then all right what am i real name this time oh wait no i won't do that i will put coops coops your your initials are owl or something right give me your initials lucas [Music] owl
    122:04
    [Music] on cubes you got 10 seconds coops oh no
    122:12
    let's put it down to nothing all right nothing nobody full throttle is that what that said yeah
    123:10
    [Music] sleeper revived oh wayne what a score mate crap really
    123:46
    give it back [Music] where is it [Music] because you know marty if you get those in order something happens what a pc yeah what happens i don't know but if you as soon as you hit c it like changes the color so see it's okay i'm not trying to give it another
    128:10
    it's a hard shot to get that flaming left hand one in the high school [Music]
    129:17
    go to airlock to here begin missions [Music]
    129:48
    [Music] you can see it catching but sometimes i don't know whether that's part of the mode or not
    132:30
    avoid the acid so hit the blue shots so working
    134:03
    do you get pissed off with manufacturers selling products that have these sorts of bugs and quality issues
    134:56
    i'm gonna trap up and see what the gun does all right is it extra ball okay so
    135:05
    so bonus x two xenomorph heads smart collect double scoring okay some real uh strategy that can go into this okay how many do i need for xenomorph shoot all vents to life ramp spell drop ship for double scoring four okay
    135:39
    life cycle complete so i want to put mine on the two xenomorph thing yeah okay yeah so just one more hit now i'm ready
    136:30
    come on go in go in yeah it's it's it's yeah
    137:35
    we don't we don't really know paul rj it could be 50 could be 100 could be 200.
    138:27
    oh no they're really dead this time they're actually dead on our last game continue on wayne's ball let's see whether they uh come back like this uh
    138:59
    yeah we think we think this is because it's beta code right so this is part of the beta codes it wasn't doing this with the old code so um so what happens if you open the door and have a look and see if uh all the leds are flashing on all the i o boards there's two of them top and bottom you should be able to see through the front here okay um so they're gonna they're gonna watch back this stream um and they're gonna see the bugs that they said they would and they'll they'll look at fixing them so it's not it's not released to the public
    139:33
    [Music] i'm just gonna try code see whether it's a switch
    139:40
    i can't be this fish as long as i'm just gonna feel the coils too just to see if they're hot
    139:47
    and the coils are pretty warm very warm continuously overheat too but feel how warm they are
    139:58
    yeah that's not how warm my team team was pretty pretty hot
    140:17
    this happened last time and if we get it back it's not nothing to do with you as you say it's sort of just software as it's better code so everyone's seen the older code we thought we might do something special yeah i haven't had it do it with the older code
    140:36
    so we'll have to come back when they've got the release code yeah well now we can try the rules so i promised um james that we'd come back when you've got the um the official code james is interested in buying one so let's see if you get your flippers back it'll work
    141:03
    [Music] we're ending the stream guys this was alien it's fun what's the verdict grime you have to wait till the heads have happened i like it um
    141:17
    um some of the things as i said like when you compare it to a doll dinner or something some of the shots just feel like the geometry is slightly off for some reason it's a bit awkward like that ramp there yeah it feels like it should be facing like a little bit this way i don't know um but once you find the shot then it's fine it's just different than any other female machine because it's not made by a designer that we kind of know it's yeah dave sanders um modifying dennis former's design so yeah it's good but yeah it's good fun we like it so if you want one mr pinball don't come to you apparently he's going to swap my hobbit straight swab yeah now there are the i o boards are flashing up on screen but thanks everybody thank you axel thanks everybody we will see you again very soon um we'll upload this to um youtube for an archive i don't know what the 1.4 bit says and then it says 08. again