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048: 6 Punk Bands that Need Machines + 2 more

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·59m 44s·analyzed·May 18, 2026
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TL;DR

Punk Rock Pinball hosts pitch dream punk band pinball machines and a boutique manufacturing concept.

Summary

Punk Rock Pinball hosts Stephanie and Mike discuss six punk band–themed pinball machines they'd love to buy, plus two bonus picks. They envision a boutique pinball company (possibly called Punk Rock Pinball) making simplified, art-forward machines inspired by 1980s solid-state designs. Key candidates include The Clash, Ramones, Descendants, Buzzcocks, Dead Milkmen, and one unrevealed sixth band. The hosts also announce an upcoming Stern media day visit for the Transformers game and share tournament results from HQ events.

Key Claims

  • The Ramones machine could sell enough copies for Stern to produce it profitably.

    medium confidence · Mike (Punk Rock Pinball co-host) commenting on licensing feasibility and market demand for a Ramones pinball machine.

  • A Descendants pinball machine post on Facebook received 70,000 reach and over 1,000 likes, demonstrating strong community interest in punk band themes.

    high confidence · Stephanie citing social media engagement metrics as evidence of market demand for punk-themed machines.

  • The hosts plan to visit Stern on Wednesday for a Transformers game media day.

    high confidence · Mike and Stephanie stating upcoming Wednesday visit; next episode will cover Transformers gameplay.

  • Three Punk Rock Pinball Association members won championship pins at recent HQ events: Rosie (ladies' Pokemon launch), CJ (head-to-head), and Luke Sheehan (match play).

    high confidence · Direct statement by hosts about recent tournament results at HQ.

  • A hypothetical punk band pinball boutique company could sell 250–400 units per game at $4,500 MSRP.

    low confidence · Speculative discussion by hosts about pricing and production volume for a new boutique line.

  • Punk Rock Pinball Podcast Association Facebook group has approximately 6,000 members.

    high confidence · Mike directly stating group size during discussion of potential customer base.

  • A boutique punk pinball company should focus on simplified layouts inspired by D. Gottlieb & Co. 1 and early 1980s Williams solid-state machines (Close Encounters, Joker Poker range).

    medium confidence · Design philosophy discussion between Stephanie and Mike about aesthetic and mechanical direction.

  • Funhouse community project featuring everyday players will air two weeks after the Transformers episode.

    high confidence · Hosts confirming schedule delay to accommodate a traveling participant.

Notable Quotes

  • “If you're a pinball manufacturer and you want to partner up and license the name, and I'll help you get this music licensing. I'm not an expert in licensing, but I know people in music. Maybe we can make this happen.”

    Mike (Punk Rock Pinball co-host) @ Not specified — Mike opens the door to business partnerships for manufacturing punk band–themed machines under the Punk Rock Pinball brand.

  • “The Descendants Pinball machine would be our great machine for us to first launch. It would be so fucking awesome.”

    Mike @ Not specified — Identifies Descendants as the top licensing target for a hypothetical boutique punk pinball line.

  • “We could sell 300 of these a piece of cake. 300 people are buying a Descendants Pinball Machine. Probably.”

    Stephanie @ Not specified — Expresses confidence in demand for a Descendants machine based on audience age demographics and fanbase.

  • “I feel like the Slash and Ramones would be very tough licenses because not all those guys are alive.”

    Stephanie @ Not specified — Acknowledges licensing complexity due to band member mortality; identifies Ramones and The Clash as high-profile but difficult targets.

  • “It's almost like you're remastering D. Gottlieb & Co. 1 games... Your inspiration is all going to be from like the D. Gottlieb & Co. ones and then the Williams Solid State of that era, like 1978, 79, 1980.”

    Stephanie @ Not specified — Articulates the design philosophy: modern build quality with retro-inspired simplicity and art-forward approach.

  • “I would buy all of these we talked about, I would buy for that price. I'd pay a $4, 500.”

    Mike @ Not specified — Establishes target pricing ($4,500) for the boutique punk pinball line as acceptable to the hosts.

  • “Sam Stern should start an offshoot. Called Punk Rock Pinball? Yeah, called Punk Rock Pinball. And it's like a boutique and they just have a little baby team in a little baby corner of their factory.”

    Mike and Stephanie — Proposes Stern as potential manufacturing partner for a boutique sub-brand.

Entities

Punk Rock Pinball PodcastorganizationStephaniepersonMikepersonPunk Rock Pinball Association (PRPA)organizationPRPHQ (Punk Rock Pinball Headquarters)venueStern PinballcompanyThe ClashgameRamonesgameDescendants

Signals

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Strong community interest in punk band–themed pinball machines evidenced by high social media engagement (70K reach, 1K+ likes on Descendants homebrew post) and hosts' belief that 150–300 units could sell at $4,500 price point.

    high · Facebook post for Subhumans machine received 70,000 reach and over 1,000 likes with hundreds of comments saying 'I want this'; hosts estimate 150–300 sales from their 6,000-member Facebook group alone.

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts envision a boutique pinball line featuring simplified, art-forward machines inspired by 1980s solid-state era (Gottlieb System 1, early Williams) rather than modern complex layouts; emphasize minimalist lighting, no ramps, strong artwork, and quality sound.

    high · Detailed discussion of The Clash design: simple layout, no ramps, white lighting with one accent color, gritty earth-tone aesthetic, inline drop targets, pop bumpers, minimal flashers; repeated across multiple game discussions.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Hosts openly seeking manufacturing partnership to launch boutique punk pinball company under Punk Rock Pinball brand; targeting bands with achievable licenses (Descendants prioritized; Ramones/Clash deemed difficult due to band member issues).

    high · Mike directly invites manufacturers to contact him (mikeatlifefromtherockroom.com); states willingness to facilitate music licensing; proposes Stern subsidiary model with 'little baby team in corner of factory' producing 250–400 units per game.

  • $

    market_signal: $4,500 MSRP proposed for full-sized, newly manufactured machines with simplified layouts; positioned between home edition pricing and premium boutique machine pricing.

    medium · Hosts settling on $4,500 as sweet spot; framed as equivalent to or slightly above Stern home edition pricing but justified by full-sized playfield with independent slingshots and no LCD display costs.

Transcript

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0:00
Hello. And there goes the dog. I do two finger snaps. Marshall walks away. He doesn't like snaps. You can't see him in the new camera shot. If you're watching on YouTube, he was there. You can't see him. This is the Punk Rock Pinball. Pinball Podcast episode 48. We're almost to 50. Oh my god. I'm Stephanie. I'm Mike. This is the show. We are the hosts of the show. On this show, we talk about our pinball adventures, our personal pinball journey and adventures and story. As mid players. As mid level players. We're working our way to upper mid level players. We're trying hard. We also talk about our punk rock pinball It's the Punk Rock Pinball Association. PRPA. It's like a leaderboard system on our website, punkrockpinball.com. You can find Punk Rock Pinball tournaments near you, most likely. Yeah, they're popping up across the country. If there are none near you, you can run them. It's pretty easy. We'll help you out. You can join. There's a form on the Punk Rock Pinball Association page. Click to become a scene rep and host tournaments where you live. Mm hmm. And then we also talk about other pinball stories and topics. Stuff. Sometimes we rank games.
1:42
Today we're going to, it's not really a ranking, but we're going to give you a list of six punk band themed pinball machines that if they existed, We would buy them. Yeah. That's going to be our main topic. And two bonus ones that we can't believe don't exist. Yes. Six plus two that are shocking that they don't exist. One I would buy, one I probably would not buy. Mm-hmm. But I just can't believe they don't exist. Can't believe it's not butter. Can't believe these two pinball machines don't exist. What are you going to do? Oh, my gosh. Well, also this week, before we get into the stuff, our dog has decided to bring his peanut butter filled Kong over and present it to us. He's not visible to the audience, though. He is going to town on it. He's having a good time. He is. Anyways, we had a couple events this week, three, in fact, that we gave away three of the Punk Rock Pinball Champion pins. Oh yeah, we showed it on the last episode. Yeah. Do you want me to go grab it? Yeah, they're in that box. Okay, you keep talking. All right. Marshall, just keep on licking that thing. He won't. Yeah, so we had three events. One was a ladies' Pokemon launch, and our friend Rosie won the very first pin. So these gold ones, yellow, gold color. Oh, Marshall. It's like a mustardy gold. Yeah. This you can only win by playing in a, right now, a PRP event at HQ. Or at 8-Bit Arcade. Well, because we were there. Like it has to be one in central Illinois. Yeah. That we're participating in. Right now. So our friend Rosie won the ladies. And then yesterday we did a double header and it was pretty awesome. Our friend CJ won the head-to-head, got a pin, and it was his very first win at HQ, which is shocking to me. Yeah, he wins a lot around here, but I didn't know he had not won at HQ. Yeah, so it was kind of a big deal. And then the second tournament was a match play tournament, and our friend Luke Sheehan from Champaign took one home, which I'm very happy for Luke, but like a little pissed off at our little PRP crew that we didn't keep it in the family. Yeah, and a lot of us made the finals. We like Luke. We really like Luke. We're happy for Luke. But at the HQ, I like when a member of the HQ is the winner of the tournament. So Luke comes in, non-member, beats all of us. What the hell? Now, in the strikes tournament, I did eliminate him. Yeah, he didn't do as well in the strikes tournament. I gave him his fifth strike on Fall of the Empire. And I got third on the strikes tournament. I think you got fifth. Yeah, I think so. And then in the match play tournament, you got fourth and I got fifth. Yeah. So it was a pretty good day for us. Very proud of us. That's like we didn't win, but we do have the enamel pins, these blue ones you can buy. They're for everybody. You can buy them. The link will be in the description as always. Anyone can buy these. You have to earn the pin of champions. Yeah. These are for winners. Mm-hmm. So we may, I may never get one. Leads are for winners and these are for winners. Like I bought them all, but I may never get one. Yeah, I know. I don't win a lot. I get like third a lot. Try harder. Fourth, I'm trying hard. I know you are. Mm-hmm. So that was really fun. That was really, really fun. Also, I just kind of wanted to ask everybody listening, watching, whatever, if you have any interesting merch ideas. You know, we're kind of looking to add some different things to the merch store and we've heard from a few different folks and different ideas. And we would like to know if there's anything you wish we would create for you. Yeah. What kind of punk rock pinball themed items would you like to see? We have the patches now. Yeah, we've got the pins. Yep. We've got a bunch of shirts in there. There's more shirts coming. But yeah, let us know in the comments below if there's something that we don't have that you would like to have.
@ Not specified

  • “I think we've got three Dead Muppet Machine sold. I don't know where the other 297 are coming from.”

    Mike @ Not specified — Humorous acknowledgment that Dead Milkmen machine would have limited commercial appeal versus other bands on the list.

    • game
    Buzzcocksgame
    Dead Milkmengame
    Transformersgame
    Rosieperson
    CJperson
    Luke Sheehanperson
    Jeffperson
    Electric Batorganization
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Close Encountersgame
    Gorgargame
  • ?

    community_signal: PRPA expanding nationally with tournament locations sprouting across the country; new scene representatives able to launch local tournaments; recent tripling of championship pin giveaways indicates scaling activity.

    high · Hosts mention 'tournaments popping up across the country' and inviting listeners to become scene reps; three championship pin events in one week at HQ; Facebook group at ~6,000 members.

  • ?

    event_signal: Stern Transformers game media day scheduled for Wednesday; hosts attending; playfield already analyzed by Electric Bat, Kale and Surge, and other media outlets; game generating significant community attention.

    high · Hosts stating 'Wednesday we're going to Stern for the media day' and delaying Funhouse project coverage to dedicate next episode to Transformers; Electric Bat, Kale and Surge already published detailed layout analysis.

  • ?

    content_signal: Hosts conducting Funhouse community project featuring everyday players submitting videos about gameplay; delayed two weeks to accommodate traveling participant; positioning as multi-episode content.

    high · Announced last episode; pushed back due to friend's travel schedule; will air after Transformers episode; still accepting submissions with two-week window.

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Recent PRPA events at HQ with mixed results for host members: CJ first HQ win despite frequent regional success; Luke Sheehan (non-member) won match play; hosts placed 3rd–5th in strikes tournament; competitive field includes players from multiple regions.

    high · Luke Sheehan from Champaign beat all HQ members in match play; CJ won head-to-head for first HQ victory; hosts achieved 3rd, 5th, 4th, 5th placements across events.

  • ?

    design_innovation: Proposed The Clash machine features novel bash toy mechanic: cop car/police figure with unpredictable coil-fired rocket shot down center playfield, risking drain but rewarding high-value shots; balances danger with reward.

    medium · Mike describes: 'Once in a while when you hit it, the coil fires and it rockets it right down the middle... you drain.' Shot must be valuable to incentivize risk-taking; triggered by unknown rule condition.

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Band licensing complexity varies significantly: Descendants, Buzzcocks estimated as achievable; Ramones and The Clash flagged as difficult due to band member mortality and potential rights fragmentation; Dead Milkmen viable but low commercial return.

    medium · Stephanie: 'Ramones and Clash would be very tough licenses because not all those guys are alive'; Mike: 'I bet the Descendants license would be perfectly achievable'; Dead Milkmen dismissed as likely 2–5 unit seller.

  • ?

    industry_signal: Hosts reference existing homebrew Ramones rethemes (two mentioned), indicating amateur maker community already exploring music IP; secondary market and collector sentiment toward music-themed machines strongly positive.

    medium · Mike: 'I've seen a couple people post in the group... two different Ramones machines that have been like homebrews... They're pretty awesome.'; social media engagement metrics suggest strong demand.

    • 6:15
    And oh, I wanted to, if you've listened to the last episode where we talked about the Funhouse Pinball project where we have everyday people, a handful of everyday people like give us a video about how they play Funhouse and we'll talk about how we play it. We will do that. We're just doing or pushing it back. It's probably going to be two weeks because next week we're going to be talking about Transformers. Yeah. Because Wednesday we're going to Stern for the media day. So the next episode is going to be Transformers. So it's probably going to be the one after that we'll do the funhouse. So there's time to submit your video. Yeah, so if you go watch last week's episode on YouTube or Apple or Spotify or wherever, you can watch that one, learn about what you need to do. You can participate. There's still time. We've got two weeks. We would love for you to participate. We're pushing it back because one person said they were traveling and we really want to include them. Yeah, we have a good friend that really wanted to make a video and I said, okay, we'll wait. We're just pushing it back a couple weeks. We can break the rules. Yeah. And we did say we may or may not even do the episode, but we will do it. Yeah, for sure. It will happen, or at least it will be part of an episode.
    7:38
    So yeah, that's that. Okay. Cool. Anything else I wanted to say? I think we covered it. I'm very excited to go to Stern on Wednesday. Yeah. And I think that Transformers game looks fantastic. I just don't want to talk about it a lot right now because I haven't seen it. Yeah, we'll wait till next week. No more words. And we're not like a pinball news show. No, this is not where you get your breaking news. It's not where you get your breaking news. Plenty of other people do a really good job of that. Electric Bat, Kale and Surge already kind of broke down that whole playfield layout. Which is so incredible because it was off of a picture. Yeah, I watched that whole thing. It was a great episode. Retro Ralph's usually pretty up to the minute on his stuff. So those guys have that covered. Yeah, Ralph will be there too. And we don't need to go all in on how we think Transformers are going to play. I'm just going to say to me it looks really cool. And we'll see. And we'll find out because we're going to play it. And then we'll know.
    8:44
    So we can get into our... We were going to do five, but then I thought of a sixth. Yeah. So six punk band pinball themes we would love to buy. Not in ranked order? I don't think we'll rank them. I think they're all pretty much could be number one. Okay. So we'll just go down the list. Rip down the list. Yeah. All right. Do you want to start? I'll add mine first when we're brainstorming. They're not mine, but the names that I threw out. So I'm going to say The Clash. I think that would be awesome. I also think a Clash themed pinball machine would be awesome. I think the art could be very cool. The art could just be incredible based off of the albums, incorporate photos. I guess you could say this about any of them, but it's really the music that's going to make it shine. Yeah, you could do the, uh, was it the picture from the London Calling where he's like about to slam the bass onto the ground? Yeah. That should be the back glass. And yeah, and black and white with the pop of color, right? Yep. Yeah. I think that'd be super cool. That's how I'm envisioning exactly that album cover. That album cover would be great. Mm-hmm. And I know that we're kind of talking about on on some of these like.
    10:09
    The Clash doesn't feel like a modern pinball machine. No, it feels like it should be a. Single level.
    10:19
    Like, yes, it's not simple, meaning easy, but just like simple layout. No ramps. No, because it's punk rock. You maybe could have, it could maybe be a street level game in the sense, same sense that Pulp Fiction is, even though Pulp Fiction is not. Right. Because it has a subway and also has a thing that shoots up around the back.
    10:45
    So Pulp Fiction is really like a three level game, but it feels like a street level game and the Clash pin should probably do the same. Yeah. Yeah, it should, it should be. And I feel like the lighting and everything should be way more simple in line with like a Gottlieb System 1. Like I'm thinking not even as many crazy colors as like the Bally or Williams System whatever firepower is. Oh yeah, no. Firepower is like too flashy. Way too flashy. It's too flashy. I think the lights should like mostly be like white. Yeah. And maybe like one other accent color, like maybe three colors total. Yeah. And it's like real simple. It's not there's no like flashers and shit going. Mm hmm. No ramps.
    11:40
    Like a couple of cool spinners. Mm hmm. Maybe. I'm seeing some inline drop targets. Mm hmm. That might somehow tie into like being lost in the supermarket. Okay. Maybe there's shopping carts on those. Maybe. And you're lost in the supermarket, you know. Yeah. You can no longer shop happily. Yeah. But then you hit all three or four of those down there's a hole down and like that to kind of get you out of the supermarket or get your supermarket bonus. Get the supermarket bonus. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It could be a supermarket bonus. Mm-hmm. I also don't see it as like super slick in my head like the playfield isn't like super slick the way that like if you're gonna talk about Pulp Fiction or just like a modern game like I kind of feel like it would look like a little gritty. It'd be gritty. Yeah, like the not super bright and vibrant colors. And not like black either. No, but just something that... Earth tones. Yeah, and just kind of like looks like a little raw. A little raw. Yeah. You could have like some kind of a bash toy that is either like a cop car or a cop. Yeah. Or the fight in the law. Yep. Yep. And this might be too fancy of a mech for this game, like a street level game, but because like the law won. So I feel like the bash toy should be pretty dangerous shot. And it should have some kind of. There's a coil in there that once in a while when you hit it, the coil fires and it rockets it right down the middle. Ooh. And you drain. Ooh. Okay. And then you hear that? But the shot has to be really valuable to make you want to have to hit it. And you're going to fight the law. Yeah. And they might win. And maybe, I don't know what triggers that coil to fire, but something. Something. Okay, that sounds exciting. Yeah. And you maybe could have one cool mech in there as long as there's no ramps. Yeah, totally. So that it's like crispy like a modern game, like snappy crispy, but just not rampy and no flashy strobe lights. I don't even feel like it needs like really toys. I feel like it could be on flat plastic and it would be cool. Mm-hmm. Or on the bumpers, having like art on the bumpers. Yeah. Pop bumpers. And the Clash really to me could be number one. That might be if you're ranking these, maybe they're number one. Yeah. Or maybe this band. Well, we can. Why don't you pick number two? Okay. I think if we were picking the number one, it's going to be either the Clash or the Ramones. I mean, yeah, I thought we'd save that one. We should have started with that one probably. Well, the other ones are cool, too. Because like the Clash of the Ramones, I feel like if you're tuning into this episode, like, you know those are going to be there. Yeah, they're gimmies. It like yeah it a layup And we seen a couple people post in the group of I think there been like two different Ramones machines that have been like homebrews Yeah where they rethemed other things to Ramones They're pretty, it's pretty awesome. I still believe that like a Ramones machine, I commented on one of those and some folks disagreed. I think a Ramones machine would sell enough for a company like Stern to make it. It'd be cool. But much like the Clash, I don't think the Ramones machine should really have ramps and flashy lights and bright, super colorful artwork. I think, again, it should be a little bit more kind of neutral and toned down on the art, simplistic, simple layout. Maybe you could have a couple ramps, but I'm not thinking of a John Borg or Keith Elwin kind of layout on a Ramones. Even though that could be cool, I still feel like I'd prefer a Pulp Fiction style. Yeah, it'd be cool like the way they did the Beatles and re-themed Sea Witch. It would be cool to do something like that. I feel like if you took a Beatles gold, that would be a great one to re-theme as the Ramones. But there would have to be a brat there that you beat on. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
    16:18
    Definitely. Uh-huh. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And like you might have to have – I mean, I guess you could put a lot of toys and stuff in a Ramones one because you could do – and there's so many things. You could do a thing where you sedate Joey somehow. Mm-hmm. By going, like, doing the loop shots. Because he wants to be sedated. Yeah. Yeah, and you do something. Maybe there's, like, a Joey toy that's almost, I'm thinking of, like, Monster Bash, where you have, like, what's the one, like, I can't even remember. But there's, like, there's, like, a Joey thing, and then he's up, and then, like, he's down, falls down into a bed once you sedate him.
    17:03
    I don't know. That's really funny. So I think Ramones, you could go either way.
    17:11
    You could go kind of modern with lots of toys and gimmicks. Mm-hmm. Or you could go classic, like, street level, and both would work. Yeah. Yeah, like, well, like what Stern did with the Bond 60th. Mm-hmm. Not, I mean, I guess you could say, like, the Woe Nelly Juicy Melons, but it has a gimmick flipper, so it's out. We don't like the baby gimmick flippers. No. I see people post like because the Primus game is that and the Wo Nelly. I think there was a third game they made with that same layout, but those baby ass flippers. I don't like them. It's not fun. No. Nobody likes it. Maybe somebody does. I like a full size flipper. Because if a Ramones pin comes out, it's got the baby flippers. I'm out. Not getting it. It's a deal breaker. Deal breaker. But yeah, I could see anybody doing the Ramones. I feel like it would be a hard one to do wrong. You know what I think would be really cool? I mean, so Spooky has, you know, their vibe with horror films, which is cool. Why doesn't some other group or company or spinoff of Spooky or spinoff of Stern or whatever, Why can't there just be like a little pinball company that just makes music pins? Maybe they could call themselves punk rock pinball. No. And they could be a boutique pinball company. Nope. That makes like punk band themed. When we get a billion dollars, like me and Jeff are going to make these. Okay. That sounds great. But like, that's okay. Okay. Yes. I'm saying we can license the name. We could license the name to these people. Okay.
    19:01
    If they could get in touch, we could license the name. Get in touch. And we could help facilitate the sales of these machines. Because I believe there's a demand here. If you look, like we talked last episode, the fellow shares a picture of the Subhumans Pinball machine. It was infinitely smaller than the Clash or the Ramones. Yeah. And that post gets 70,000 reach and over a thousand likes and hundreds of comments. And many of those comments are like, I want this. Now, I know there's a difference between saying I want this on a Facebook thing and then actually spending real money. But that's for a subhumans pinball machine. And I'm not dissing the Subhumans, they're a cool punk band, but like fractionally as large as the Ramones or The Clash. Yeah, for sure. I've heard the Ramones license might be tricky, maybe The Clash is too. I bet it is. But maybe some of these other bands on the list, I bet the license would be pretty doable. One I'm really excited about. Which one is it? Descendants. Now, to me, I bet you that is a perfectly achievable license. I would love it. It would be a great first game in the lineup of the new boutique pinball company, Punk Rock Pinball.
    20:26
    If you're a pinball manufacturer and you want to partner up and license the name, and I'll help you get this music licensing. I'm not an expert in licensing, but I know people in music. Maybe we can make this happen. I think the Descendants Pinball machine would be our great machine for us to first launch. It would be so fucking awesome. Uh huh. The artwork is all there. Yeah, Milo. With all the Milo stuff. Uh huh. Yes. Like, hello, like, it just, and like, I mean, it's so, it's hard to even say what would be in the game because there's so much there that you'd have to really trim it way down. You would have a little suburban home in the corner. There would be a suburban home. Mm-hmm. I mean, obviously, Milo's going to college. He's going to college. There'd be something about growing up and you don't want to do it. Mm-hmm. Maybe the Outlanes is like every time you go down the Outlanes, like you're growing up and it feels like you're growing up. You don't want to grow up, so you do things to light the save for about not growing. You do childish things throughout the game so that you're not growing up.
    21:41
    And as you drain in the outlanes, the grow-up meter charges, but then you discharge it and then light the outlane save, maybe via ripping spinners or something. Yeah.
    21:54
    I don't know. Okay, I love it. I don't know. Because we just came up with this list over some Sonic hot dog and cheeseburger. Not a sponsor. Show the logo. Not a sponsor. So I haven't really gotten into the depths of what I put in a Descendants pinball machine, but there's a lot there.
    22:15
    If you're wealthy and you have pinball machine manufacturing capabilities and want to partner with Punk Rock Pinball in this endeavor, Or my email is mikeatlifefromtherockroom.com.
    22:26
    Let's make a Descendants Pinball Machine. Yeah, let's make a Descendants Pinball Machine. We could sell 300 of these a piece of cake.
    22:36
    300 people are buying a Descendants Pinball Machine. Probably. Yeah. We've been to their shows. I've seen people in their audience. They've got money. Oh, yeah. Because they're all like our age. Mm-hmm. Like the band members are all older than us. A good bit. Yeah. Does Bill Stevenson still have that recording studio? He'd want one in there. They'd want one. They'd all want one.
    23:04
    Yeah. Let's make this happen. Mm-hmm. Let's make this happen. Okay. Okay. Let's do it. I mean, Jeff knows how to make them, but we don't have a factory. No. So we're going to need somebody that has like a pinball factory or a lot of money.
    23:20
    We don't have any of that. No, we don't. But we can license you the name. We've got ideas. You can call it Punk Rock Pinball.
    23:27
    We have that. Yeah, we've got that. And we have a Facebook group of 6,000 people in it. And I bet you 150 people right out of that group would buy this machine.
    23:38
    Probably. Maybe more. Depends on how much it is. We need to make it. Is it Descendants one going to have ramps? Is it going to be a classic kind of style? I feel like a classic kind of style. I kind of agree. I think this company, this punk rock pinball company should really do some. It's almost like you're remastering Gottlieb System 1 games. Oh, I like the remaster. But we're not remastering. No. We're re-theming. But you could maybe just do some, because you might have to license those exact layouts. But your inspiration is all going to be from like the Gottlieb System ones and then the Williams Solid States of that era, like 1978, 79, 1980. Okay. We're looking at playfield layouts similar to 80s almost getting too modern because you're getting into like firepower and firepower 2 range and like that's too complicated.
    24:46
    We want to cut like like a step more modern than an EM. Like a OK. Like a Close Encounters. Yeah. Or like a Joker Poker. But what's modern like snappy flipper max and like a clear coated playfield that's in full color. Full color playfield. But I think the key element here is like a few cool shots, some good rules, and then killer artwork. And music. Obviously the music. Mm-hmm. So good speakers in the game. Yeah.
    25:19
    Artwork first and foremost, and like we know several people that could conjure up really good rules for a game like that. Mm-hmm. It's not that complicated. Like you just have some cool things where you can pay off big bonuses. Yeah. There you go. Okay. So let's do this. Let's make a Descendants Pinball machine. I think we could get that license. This might be my most... Well, there's one other one I would be really excited about, but you pick the next one. Let's go with Buzzcocks. That'd be great. Which would probably be, I feel like the Clash and Ramones would be very tough licenses because not all those guys are alive. Yeah.
    26:06
    Are all the, I don't think all the Buzzcocks are alive, but maybe the, but the, they still tour and I always forget which guy is which. But I feel like you can maybe get a Buzzcocks machine done.
    26:23
    That'd be cool. Steve Diggle, I think he's still around. Is Pete Shelley alive still? Don't know. I have no idea. Okay. But this one, too, to me is a street level game. And in your vision for punk rock pinball machines. Mm hmm. I feel like this could follow that idea of re-theming an old game. Yeah. It's not flashy. It's not- Plus Cuts game is not flashy, no. No. It's not like- none of these are like Metallica flashy. No, no, no. Like, yeah, no crazy light shows. No. No, it's got to feel almost like playing Close Encounters or playing Joker Poker, playing- You know, Stern should just take the- Like the Knight Rider, like Eon, like kind of like those, or even like Gorgar doesn't have as much flashing happening as Firepower. Yeah. You could do a Gorgar type game too. But I feel like Stern could just take that Bond 60th layout and reskin it. That layout's great. It is so good. Mm-hmm. So Stern should start an offshoot. Called Punk Rock Pinball? Yeah, called Punk Rock Pinball. And it's like a boutique and they just have a little baby team in a little baby corner of their factory. Okay. And they just crank out like 250 to 400 of each of these. Yeah, no big deal. Yeah, I was looking to Buzzcocks art and I'm thinking it's got to be like, it has to be pink, like I'm envisioning like the pink and yellow, like the, I don't know if you can see this, like the, That different kind of tension album where it's like pink and like purple, orange, kind of purpley pink. Yep. That's your color scheme for your Buzzcocks machine.
    28:21
    I would put it in the lineup. What would you pay for this thing? If it's like, let's say it's like a Gorgar rethemed, but it's newly made, Snappy Flippers, Buzzcocks, what's the MSRP? And like it's working. It's something that is new. So it's going to work. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how much things cost to build. Yeah. I'm just saying what's the sweet spot on the on your market price? I mean, I feel like how much are the the Stern home editions? That's a good question. They should be the same price as a Stern home edition. Is it four thousand bucks? Something like that. I think it could be more. I think it could be. More than what a home, even though it's going to have technically less shots, it's going to be full sized. That's a full sized playfield. The playfield is full sized, but the machine's not full sized. Right. Doesn't need to be. These are going to be full sized. Oh. Pinball machines. Okay. It's not going to be home edition sized. Well. And each slingshot is going to sling on its own. Okay. On those home editions, both slings go together. Right. So these are going to have your full assortment of proper mechs underneath. Like all the slings are going to be powered independently.
    29:39
    You don't need an LCD screen. They probably will not have LCD displays. They will have like the LCD scores a la Gorgar and the solid state Mm So you don need to create like animated assets or any of that I'm thinking $4,499.
    30:05
    Okay. I don't know if we can make them and make profit for that. It's not my problem. I'm going to just license the name. But I would buy all of these we talked about, I would buy for that price. I'd pay a $4,500. Okay. I don't think, I don't know. I don't, I feel like, I don't know. Well, we don't know. We're living in a fantasy world. I love it. $4,500. Yes, this is all just fantasy stuff. It's $4,500 for any of these. Yeah. If you'd like to put a deposit down, we'll get you in touch with our business manager. Yeah. Who we don't have. No, we don't. No. But I would buy any of those for that in a simple layout. It's a full-size machine, nice speakers, and I'm excited to get one of these. I have no idea. When people make a homebrew, even I know some people go balls out. I don't even know how much money people put into those to make those. It'd be interesting to know. To make a single one, I think it's a lot. Yeah. Because, I mean, because they're making like one of one of everything. So the initial prototype is going to be way more expensive. But you had to figure your scale is not huge. You're going to maybe sell 300 of these. Right. So we'll see what we can get done. Okay. So we've done The Clash, done The Buzzcocks, we've done The Descendants, which is going to be the first punk rock pinball machine to market. Okay. Mm-hmm. And we've done The Ramones. We've done those four. Yes. Got two more. Mm-hmm. Which one do you want to do?
    31:55
    I'm going to pick The Dead Milkmen. Okay. And again, I don't know, like we were talking about this, are they really considered punk rock? I don't know. And honestly, I don't care. Right. I know they've got the punk rock girl song. They've got so many other bitch and Camaro great songs. And it's just kind of, I guess, that time of life for me when I was listening to all of that stuff. And I feel like back in the 80s and 90s, like there was a blurred line of genres. Yeah. Like you just kind of listen to like this alternative music that encompassed so much stuff. So it kind of fits in for me that way. So don't come at me.
    32:33
    Yeah, because you might argue that maybe the Buzzcocks aren't a punk band either. They're kind of mod. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But to me, they fit into punk band to me and Dead Milk Men is the same. And they were, I think, the first, kind of happened at the same time for bands that weren't, like arena rock bands that I was into as a kid.
    33:03
    Like college rock bands? There were two bands that were the first two that helped me transition from like Motley Crue and Rat and like the hair metal. Did you have a rat tail? I did have a rat tail. When you listened to Rat? In fifth grade. And I was listening to Rat and Motley Crue and I still have like a soft spot for some of that. That was in 1984. I was into that stuff. And around 1985, 1986, I discovered the replacements who I would put on this list, but they are not a punk band. No. But I also discovered the Dead Milkmen, like almost the exact same time. I bought them both at the record shop because I saw ads in Thrasher Magazine for these albums and the Dead Milkman had that big lizard. I think that one came out in 1985 or 1986 and that's when I bought it on cassette just based on the art. That's what you would do. I had no idea what it sounded like. And that same year, later that same year, early the next, I bought the Descendants cassette at the same record store around somewhere near Franklin, Ohio. Good record store. It's a great record store. They had an alternative section in the record store in the mid 80s. And like this music was not popular like it became in the early 90s. Mm-hmm. So that's where I got into the Dead Milkmen and the Replacements and the Descendants, all within kind of a six-month period. And the Descendants really stuck with me forever. All three of those bands did, actually. I kind of lost touch with the Dead Milkmen along the way a little bit. They were a little bit... I felt like I kind of outgrew them, but then certain songs of theirs I come back to and I like them. Mm-hmm. I think they're pretty massively kind of underrated band for sort of their influence and importance at the time. Yeah. That one, I think of all the bands we have on the list would probably sell the least number of pinball machines. Totally. I can't argue that at all. Like we would buy it, but like, can you sell 300? Could you sell 50?
    35:27
    Probably not. Could you sell 50 Dead Milkman pinball machines? I don't know. I don't think so. You could sell one. And I'm pretty sure that, I'm pretty sure Dumb Records would buy one. Yeah, probably. I think Jeff would buy one if they're $4,500. Yeah, he'd get one. I think Dumb Records and Springfield would have one. And Punk Rock Pinball HQ would have one. Yeah. And then I don't know who else. So, two. I bet you the Electric Bat would get one. Because they just have everything. They have everything and they're connected to a music venue. And they're connected to a music venue. So I think we've got three Dead Muppet Machine sold. I don't know where the other 297 are coming from. We'll figure that out later. I mean, one of the band members might want one. It's not that nobody likes them. They're not an unpopular band, but I just think they're very kind of niche. For sure. I just want to see how many people listen to them. 208,000. That's not bad, but that's more than the subhumans whose post got, you know, a thousand some likes on it. So we might be underestimating the dead milkman here. The power of the dead milkman. Put the bitchin' Camaro toy in there. And who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sky's the limit. Sky's the limit. You put a bitch in Camaro and a punk rock girl, done.
    37:01
    So one final band on the list of machines we would buy. This is a band that was like hugely influential to me and then I really stopped listening to them for a time and then I came back.
    37:17
    One of the first bands I saw live in concert. Really? I didn't know that. Where? It was like a big arena tour opening for Neil Young. I didn't know you saw Neil Young. Well, I didn't stay for Neil Young. I watched the two opening bands and then I went home. Who else was there? I watched part of Neil Young. Social Distortion. Who was the other band? Sonic Youth. Okay. And then we watched, I went with my buddy Dan, I think. We went for specifically for Social Distortion, who was the first band. I think they were, I can't remember, they were Sonic Youth at first.
    37:56
    Watched Social Distortion, got their t-shirt. I had to wear the t-shirt to school the next day. I had to turn it inside out. Why? They made me turn it inside out. Why? Because it was the, and this will be the back glass artwork.
    38:11
    It's their skeleton logo that says cigarette and a drink. It's like a skeleton with a cigarette and a drink. And I was more of the shirt a couple of periods into the day. And then I got called down to the principal's office and they said, you know, your shirt. I'm like, yeah. And what is that? It's a band.
    38:35
    And they said, OK, you're going to have to turn that inside out. Did you say here, can you hold my pack of cigs while I turn my shirt on? I probably did have a pack of cigs on me. Also the first band that I learned how to play bass guitar to. Because one year for Christmas I got their self-titled LP, which is my favorite one, and a bass guitar also for Christmas that year. And it just so happens most of the songs on that LP are three chords. Perfect. And they're not super fast. So like I learned that whole album on the bass was the first thing I learned to play bass guitar to was social distortion. Was that before drums? About the same time. I had drums already. Okay. But I hadn't had them super long. I didn't know. Yeah. I had no idea. So yeah, I learned how to play bass to them. Social distortion, I think much like The Clash, it's going to be ramp-less. Not putting ramps. But I think most all of these are going to be rampless because we're going to, you know, when we make them. Yeah, it's just like we want to keep it simple. Keep it simple. And that's what this music is all about. Like you were saying, three chords. It's three chords. It's simple. Most of these are like three chord bands, except the Descendants are not three chords at all. And not that simple. Well, maybe they get a ramp. They might get a ramp. Like Firepower 2 has a ramp. Yeah. That's how we determine how... How many chords are in most of their songs. Yeah. How many chords are in your songs, that's how complicated the pinball machine will be. Uh-huh. I mean, I think the two on the list that could get... would work either way would be the Ramones and the Descendants, where you could do a total classic layout. And it'd be great. Or you could flash it up with the awesome modern light shows and crazy ramps and stuff. I think those two bands work that way. I think Social D is a rampless pinball machine. I wonder if they play pinball. There's a video. Somebody posted a video once of Mike Ness in our group playing pinball. Oh, really? Yes. Well, let's get in touch with them. So I think another one. Get the licensing going. I think this is another one you could get that license. I think Mike Ness of Social Distortion is a pinball player. So let's make this happen. And the music is phenomenal. It's perfect for pinball. Mm-hmm. Just decades worth of great songs. Mm-hmm. I love their Skelton Guy art, but the art for their new album, I don't know if you want to find that put up here. Okay. Got a brand new album. Fantastic cover art. I haven't even seen it. It's like this like tiger or cougar or something, but it's real vivid colors. I'll just show you as we're talking so you can see and you can put up for the viewer if you're watching on Spotify.
    41:44
    It's called Born to Kill. Yeah. So like you could do that, but their their logo with the skeleton smoking and drinking is pretty perfect.
    41:55
    Yes. Like it's it's just one of the best logos in music, I think. Okay, let's make that one happen. So that will be the second machine we put out. Okay, after Descendants. We because I think we could I think you could work with the descendants on a license.
    42:15
    And I think you could work with social distortion. I think that might be the easiest because I think it's mostly Mike that owns all that.
    42:25
    So it might be like a one guy kind of deal. Like if Mike's into it, you're going to get it. Yeah. And I feel like that band also kind of is.
    42:35
    They've got a really wide range of fans. It isn't just like super hardcore in one like one kind of group of people like there are people that you like I'm always surprised when people say that they're fans like people I work with. Yeah. Social distortion. That machine probably sells more than the descendants. I think so. Well, I guess the descendants are opening for them right now. So that probably answers that question.
    43:02
    But I think there is more crossover from social D into like mainstream normal people. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Normies. Normies. They had a couple of hits that were like almost crossover and they're just a lot of their songs just sound kind of like classic rock and roll. It's not explicitly just punk. Yeah. I think Social Distortion would almost be big enough to where like a Stern could make one itself 600 of them. Yeah. Don't tell Stern. Don't give him any ideas because punk rock pinball is going to be, you know. It's going to be the Punk Rock Pinball Company. It's going to make this one. The Pinball Company. I think, is there a company called the Pinball Company? Yeah. Oh, yeah, there is. Uh-huh. Shit. It's so generic. It would be so great.
    43:50
    Sorry if I'm offending someone. They exist. Yeah, that's Travis Mary. That's right. Mm-hmm. But it's like the Chair Company. The Chair Company, the Pinball Company. The Pinball Company. The Punk Rock Pinball Company. Pinball Company Co.
    44:04
    Pinball Company Co. The PRP Co. So I think we could get that done or somebody could get done social distortion and the descendants. Yeah, but you know, it can't be Stern. It has to be it has to be somebody else, because can you imagine all of those nerds online that Stern announces social distortion? People are just like absolutely implode. Yeah.
    44:31
    So it's not a dig at Stern. No, it's like all the Stern haters. Right. Yeah. That want them to do like I don know what I don know what people want Stern to do They want Stern to do like I don know I don know either like Journey Pinball Machine Yeah They Yeah They be like have boners about it Police I don know Yeah Uh Genesis Genesis. Def Leppard. I mean... I might buy a Def Leppard machine though.
    45:01
    That'd be cool. But I'd rather have a social distortion one. Or anybody we just listed, I'd rather have all those. Yeah, that's our list. That's the six. Recap. Pull back up. We had The Clash, Buzzcocks, Descendants, Ramones, Social Distortion, Dead Milkmen. But then we said at the beginning there were two that we cannot believe have not been made. Right. Shocked. Shocking. Yeah. What's the first one? First one is, can you believe there is not a Green Day pinball machine? I can't believe that. Like there's a Foo Fighters pinball machine. And they're a much smaller band, maybe easier to work with. Maybe easier to work with. But they are a much, I think Green Day, at least at their peak was many times bigger than the Foo Fighters. I would say a way more important band musically in terms of their impact on the world of music and their influence on other people that eventually created and made music. Green Day is many, many times more significant than the Foo Fighters. In the history of music. In the history of rock and punk music, it's not close. So why is there not a Green Day Pinball machine? And that would sell. For sure. It would absolutely sell.
    46:41
    I bet it is. I bet the licensing. Maybe the license costs too much. Maybe. And if you did it, like, I mean, you could make an American Idiot one, all of the artwork, art package surrounding that. I know a lot of people would want Dookie, which could also be great. You might make two, you might make a Dookie one and an American Idiot one on your art packages. Maybe one's the premium, one's the LE. There you go. Both have phenomenal artwork. Yeah, that one would be all fancied out. Light Show, the whole thing. Oh yeah, Green Day's got ramps. Yeah, oh, tons of ramps. They've got ramps. Maybe even like a ramp that doesn't exist yet that like loop-de-loops. It's probably an upper playfield. Maybe two. Maybe two upper playfields. I mean, it is like... Yeah, you deck out a Green Day machine. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. It is like it makes any other music pin look like Shrek. Yeah. And see, this makes sense because all the other bands we named were kind of more classic. And Green Day's music, it is simple, but like production value wise, it's bigger and more explosive and more polished. And that's why they became a mainstream band. So you give them the mainstream pinball treatment. Yeah, you do it up. Do it up. Uh, because like the, I mean, American Idiot, like sonically is probably the best sounding rock album that's ever been made. So you have to give them the flash and the pomp and circumstance of all the gimmicks. Yeah. The Ramones Walk So Green Day Could Run. Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. As did the Descendants. Yes.
    48:26
    And I'm not saying Green Day is better than any of those bands. In fact, I like all of the first six bands we've named I like better than Green Day. I don't dislike Green Day. No, I like Green Day a lot, but I like all of those other bands more than I like Green Day.
    48:41
    But Green Day took it and they put it, they changed the music industry for like a half a decade or more, like a decade. Yeah, kind of amazing. Like the reason that my band got signed to a big label is because of Green Day got huge. And there's like thousands of other bands that had bigger opportunities because Green Day got huge. Yep. So they should have a pinball machine.
    49:08
    All right. Somebody tell us that that license is just really difficult and that's why it hasn't been made yet. And like Stern can do that one. That's a Stern all day. Oh, yeah. Like nobody. I think it's Borg on that thing. Although if it's Borg, like you got to do at least three flippers. Three flippers. The Green Day game is not a two flipper fan layout. No. No. It's at least three flippers, maybe three and then a flipper on an upper play field. Yes. Right. It's a four flipper game. All the flippers. As many as you can fit. Okay. What's the last one we can't believe? The last one we can't believe. Far less important to me.
    49:51
    I still enjoy their music a little bit. Okay. Blink-182. Big band. Huge. Mm-hmm. Biggest band in the world at least once with Enema of the State. Heard of that album? Probably. All the Small Things, What's My Age Again? Heard those songs? Hit after hit after hit. I think at the time when they came back together and Matt Skiba of Alklantrio joined, when that album came out, it was the number one album in like 30 countries across the world, including the United States. Wow. They had another, whichever album that was with the I Miss You song on it, I think that went to number one. So like massive, huge band, way, way bigger than the Foo Fighters. You know? Yeah. Which is like, that's the most recent music pin, right? That's not a remaster. Well, Elton John from Jersey Jack, I'm thinking of Stern's, like rock bands. Yeah, Metallica remaster, Elton John, Foo Fighters. Blink's not really bigger than Elton John.
    51:02
    No. On the Blink-182, though, there would be like a whole UFO thing, though. There would be. You could almost re-theme Foo Fighters. Maybe it was supposed to be Blink-182. Maybe so. So the thing about Blink-182, and that'd be flashy and glitzy just like Green Day, but maybe more so. Yeah, like real slick. The thing about it is the Blink-182 machine is going to be easier than Green Day. Like real simple? Because it's more, their music is more bubblegummy. Yeah, yeah. Even though like they have like the crazy ass drumming and their songs are, are, um...
    51:42
    They're not any more complicated, but it's like way more slick over produced. So I think that game's more friendlier to play than the Green Day game. So no Borg. Yeah, I don't know if Borg's right for either of them.
    51:56
    He could maybe do Green Day, but he's going to have to dig deep into a little bit more complex layout than a two-flipper fan. I know he's done some that aren't, but he's going to have to expand his horizons and get a little bit more dynamic with the Green Day layout. What about the fellow that did... Elliot Eisman? Yeah. I would actually pick him for Green Day. That's what I'm saying. Green Day isn't Eisman. Yeah.
    52:24
    And I think Blink... Who does Blink 182? Because our layouts on the first six are so simple like you don't need a specific designer just kind of rip off different mechs from early games. I mean that's what yeah exactly. That's what we're gonna do. It's more about the art. It's about the art and the music. Because the other ones it's gonna have some drop targets and some spinners and some top lanes. Mm-hmm. Maybe a little like kind of U-turny thing and some inline drops like nothing fancy. Right, right. But these, yeah, Elliot Eisenman's in Green Day.
    53:00
    And Blink is going to be, man, I think George Gomez. I was just going to say that. Because Gomez is, Blink's music's like super produced, super slick, as is a George Gomez layout. Everything is in its right place.
    53:22
    Nothing's out of line. Nothing is out of line. You look at a Gomez layout and it's like orderly. You can just tell from like 20 feet away like George Gomez because everything, all the lines, everything just looks like it was 100% meant to be there. And if you listen to like Blink's enema of the state, there's not like a drum hit or a note or anything that is not intentional. Mm-hmm. So Gomez is doing Blink 182. How about that? You heard it here first. There you go. Breaking news. John Cells. Yeah, for sure. Those last two sell. Those sell. It's got to be a licensing thing. Yeah, I would think the Blink license can't be that... Both of those bands seem like they probably would be cool to... I think they would think it's cool. Right? Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe they've got tough managers. It's probably all about the management. It probably doesn't get through. They can't make the nickels and dimes work. Yeah, you probably would need one of the members of one of those bands to be like a pinhead and like go to their manager and be like, we need a pinball machine and their manager would have to come to Stern. Let's make that happen. Yeah, I don't really know anyone. We know Lynn. She plays with Trey in a band. Oh, did Lynn? Okay. Mm-hmm. We'll try. We'll float it over to Lynn. Yeah, Blink-182, the funny thing is like I liked their music. When it because I'm kind of a sucker for some of that slick stuff. Mm hmm. I didn't really like how childish they were like at the live shows. Don't like the live show. I've never seen it. Don't need to. You did. I mean, I played when I was in Alkaline Trio. We opened for Blink-182 a couple of times. Okay. So yeah, just real childish, just like, just dumb. Stupid live show. Don't waste your time. Don't waste your time. And don't put clips from their live show into the pinball machine. Just don't do that. Just use like the studio music. Okay. Because they're also not good at playing live except for Travis Barker. Maybe you could do like videos of the music videos. Videos of the music videos. My only problem with Blink-182 is that is Every, all the bands that spawned, inspired by them, are all terrible. Yeah, because like, I feel like, yeah. Because they all sing that way? Yes. They sing the Tom DeLonge way? Which is fine for Tom DeLonge. It's fine for Tom, that's how he sings.
    56:05
    But then, when you're doing a caricature of Tom DeLonge as you... No one's buying it. And there was this whole crop of like a lot of bands, so many bands that then all just sang like Tom DeLonge.
    56:25
    Yet they were not. Part of what makes the Tom DeLonge deal work is like his the melodies he writes are super catchy.
    56:34
    And then to take like a less catchy version of the melody sung in a caricaturized version of his weird way of singing, it's a bad deal. Don't do it. Lots of people. I feel like people continue to do it. They do. It just doesn't stop. And then the whole deal with the drummers and Travis Barker. Because for all intents and purposes, Travis Barker plays punk music drums the wrong way. Whoa. Not even remotely the right way. Hot take. But it works for him. Okay. Because he made that shit up. Okay. But then when these other guys do their drum impression of Travis Barker, it's the same as the guys trying to sing like Tom. Got it. It just doesn't like most of the things Travis does on the Blink songs like you just shouldn't do that. I don't even know what you're talking about. Ruben knows what I'm talking about. Ruben doesn't watch this. He's going to watch this episode.
    57:35
    He knows what I'm talking about. We've had long conversations about this. It's not really for a pinball show, but he mostly drums the wrong way, but he's exceptionally talented. At his wrong way? At his wrong way of drumming, he can make it work because his technical proficiency is like second to none. So he can play wrong and make it cool, but like when a regular dude tries to do that, it doesn't translate because you're not as good as Travis Barker at the drums. Okay. Don't try to do that. Does it have to do with not wearing a shirt? No, but they should wear a shirt.
    58:17
    Yeah. Okay. All right. And I think that is a wrap. That's a wrap. That's all we got. This is a long one. It's an hour. I know. And it's like getting dark. It's getting dark. I wonder how our exposure looks throughout the episode. It's going to be getting darker and darker. It's going to be what it is. If you made it this far, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Leave a note. Tell us what you like. Tell us what you didn't like. Do you agree that Travis Barker is the best at being the worst? I didn't say it was the worst. I didn't say it was the worst. I said it's not the right way to play drums to punk music. I know. I'm just teasing. I mean, not that there is a right way and a wrong way, but if there was a wrong way, it's how he does it. Okay. I just don't even understand. It's fine. Okay. It's fine. I don't think anybody else is going to understand, but maybe they will. Ruben knows. Ruben will know. Ruben knows exactly what I'm talking about.
    59:15
    Well, that's all we got. Memorial Day is coming up. So we'll be able to probably maybe crank out two episodes this week. Maybe. Not overpromising. We're going to have to do one on Transformers. Yeah.
    59:34
    ASAP as possible. Maybe on the way home. After that media day. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. All right. Thanks for listening. Toodaloo. Bye.