The Pinball Show Ep 125: Ranking The Big 5: FOO, TNA2, TGF, GTF, PF + TPS! 2.0

The Pinball Network·video·1h 47m·analyzed·Apr 10, 2023

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TL;DR

TPS Episode 125: New Patreon tiers, 'Big Five' game rankings, and production pipeline analysis.

Summary

The Pinball Show Episode 125 returns from a month-long hiatus to discuss recent major pinball releases (Foo Fighters, Final Resistance, Godfather, Pulp Fiction, Galactic Tank Force) and announce a new three-tiered Patreon membership model for the podcast. The hosts debate the merits of these 'Big Five' games and examine production timelines across manufacturers, with a focus on why Stern's manufacturing efficiency gives them competitive dominance despite community preferences for competitor themes.

Key Claims

Foo Fighters was Tony's (Eclectic Gamers) game of the show choice
high confidence · Zach stating 'the first one that we will discuss did end up being your game of the show this took it home for you and that was Stern Pinball's Foo Fighters' and Tony confirming 'yes that's correct'
Stern Pinball dominates manufacturing because they can actually build and deliver machines in reasonable timeframes, while competitors like American Pinball, Chicago Gaming, Hagfish, Multimorphic, and Pinball Brothers struggle with production
high confidence · Craig Bobby's segment: 'the real war is being fought in one on the production line and as long as Stern has that secret locked up they will continue to win dominate this pinball hobby for decades to come'
Dutch Pinball Big Lebowski early achievers are now in year nine of waiting for their prepaid machines
high confidence · Craig Bobby: 'as early Achievers are still being notified that their games are shipping this year despite literally almost a decade of way waiting for their machines'
All major pinball manufacturers coordinated announcements before Texas Pinball Festival rather than announcing at the show itself
high confidence · Craig Bobby: 'it seems that all the manufacturers decided to reveal their newly designed games prior to the show this year in an organized and controlled way online'
The Pinball Show's last episode download count was 6,500 listeners
high confidence · Zach stating 'what was our last downloaded episode 6 500 people Dennis it was a lot'
Wait times for non-Stern/JJP/Spooky machines could easily reach one year or longer
high confidence · Craig Bobby: 'your wait times for anything other than a Stern kjp or spooky title could easily creep into the one year mark or longer'
Jack Danger designed Foo Fighters with Tanya Klyce and Tanya Rattano on code
high confidence · Zach: 'Stern Pinball's Foo Fighters correct yes that's correct it's hard it's hard to argue that uh Foo Fighters was announced by Stern Pinball with their regular Pro premium Le designed by Jack danger code by Tanyo Klyce and Tanya rattano'

Notable Quotes

“the real war is being fought in one on the production line and as long as Stern has that secret locked up they will continue to win dominate this pinball hobby for decades to come”
Craig Bobby@ 26:33 — Core industry analysis: manufacturing capacity is the true competitive moat, not themes or design
“your wait times for anything other than a Stern kjp or spooky title could easily creep into the one year mark or longer”
Craig Bobby@ 25:07 — Stark warning about production bottlenecks at smaller manufacturers
“I have a rule at uh any game that Raymond Davidson does if it doesn't have airport modes I'm not buying it so unfortunately this was rolled out”
Zach@ 30:55 — Personal buying criteria based on designer signature features
“we're basically going to give you the keys to the studio here this one's this one's Hefty this one's stiff”
Zach@ 15:07 — Describing the top-tier Screaming Goat Club membership perks
“as for a while there you couldn't go to your favorite social media Outlet without seeing news of a newly released or soon to be revealed game”
Craig Bobby@ 20:41 — Documenting unprecedented announcement volume in pinball industry
“people wanted to hear we are kind of the voice of the industry people wanted to hear we're the hobbyists we got some strong takes I get it but you know there are a lot of other podcasts”
Dennis@ 5:21 — Acknowledging competition from other pinball podcasts and audience expectations

Entities

The Pinball ShoworganizationZach Sharpe MenypersonDennis KrieselpersonCraig BobbypersonStern PinballcompanyJack Dangerperson Jersey Jack PinballcompanyEric MinyardpersonSpooky Pinball

Signals

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product_launch: Five major pinball games released/announced in condensed timeframe: Foo Fighters (Stern), Final Resistance (unknown), Godfather (JJP), Pulp Fiction (Chicago Gaming), Galactic Tank Force (American Pinball)
high · Craig Bobby segment and repeated references throughout episode to 'Big Five' games all announced prior to Texas Pinball Festival
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manufacturing_signal: Stark divide in manufacturing capability: Stern/JJP/Spooky shipping reliably within weeks to months; smaller manufacturers (American Pinball, Chicago Gaming, Hagfish, Multimorphic, Pinball Brothers) facing one-year+ wait times
high · Craig Bobby: 'your wait times for anything other than a Stern kjp or spooky title could easily creep into the one year mark or longer'
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product_concern: Dutch Pinball's Big Lebowski early achievers still waiting in year nine despite initial crowdfunding promises of timely delivery
high · Craig Bobby: 'as early Achievers are still being notified that their games are shipping this year despite literally almost a decade of way waiting'
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market_signal: All manufacturers coordinated announcements before Texas Pinball Festival rather than using the event itself for reveals, suggesting organized industry strategy to manage FOMO and hype cycles
high · Craig Bobby: 'it seems that all the manufacturers decided to reveal their newly designed games prior to the show this year in an organized and controlled way online'
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content_signal: The Pinball Show launched three-tiered Patreon membership model: Club Member ($10), Nordman Club ($25), Screaming Goat Club ($100) with escalating perks including Discord access, monthly Zoom hangouts, polo shirts, personalized chat, and guest appearance opportunities

Topics

Patreon membership model and monetizationprimaryBig Five game rankings and reviewsprimaryManufacturing capacity and production timelinesprimaryManufacturer announcements at Texas Pinball FestivalprimaryStern Pinball's competitive dominanceprimaryProduction delays at smaller manufacturerssecondaryGame design features and shot geometrysecondaryPodcast hiatus and scheduling challengesmentioned

Sentiment

mixed(0.55)— Positive regarding Foo Fighters and strong releases; critical of smaller manufacturers' production failures (especially Dutch Pinball's decade-long delays); frustrated but pragmatic about market dynamics; celebratory about podcast's growth and new monetization model

Transcript

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warning The Following episode contains adult language and screaming goats listener discretion is advised [Music] the pinball network is online launching the pinball show we are back in the biggest way possible episode 125's got it all tpf vacations the pinball show new features Foo Fighters final resistances Godfathers pulp fictions gtfs Bond 60ths Scoobies mermaids Queens ninjas Toppers Stern Pinball production update strong takes exclusive infos and much more well I mean [ __ ] is that not enough it's good to be back with y'all pinball is a game of skill s for some it's a passion and a lifestyle it's time for the pinball show it's pinball with personality must be the season of the wind it must be the season of The Witches this is episode 125 this is the pinball show where your host Zach many and Dennis Crystal and Dennis I gotta tell you I kind of miss these people why because because they're so loving did you you've seen a lot of them at tpf I did I did I should say welcome back to them welcome back my friends to the show that never ends except apparently for a month literally a month and a half yep I get you know yeah time time works uh strangely when you're inside the uh Interstellar time bubble Planet well it's like if you go down there and you get the cute wonderful running on water machine and you come back up your kids will be retired yes and you will cry watching Matthew McConaughey cry in that capsule and that [ __ ] lying to him all right all right all right we're back the Hiatus so people I you know I had some I had emails to other email accounts that I control that are not the pinball Network gmail.com wow they blow into those yes where people are like just did I miss something did Zach retire has he gone away like they knew it was your fault has he thrown another fit yeah is Zach pouting I mean pick up his mic and go home it's like and you know Zach I I get it because you know you you do kind of like alienate people just sort of kind of willy-nilly so maybe they thought but no one was like they didn't think they didn't hear anything going on like in the show so I was like well no it was just this weird uh Coincidence of schedule alignment really is what all it was it wasn't planned like we've had planned ones before which we've announced yeah it kept on falling on weird times and on them yeah you know the way I remember it is we had you had the Louisville show yes and you were driving back the day we would normally record and you were like I I have to get on the road but for when we would be recording I'm like okay well let's not do that and then of course uh the next week wouldn't have been a week I would record I I saw someone on Facebook or excuse me on pin side say we gotta get there's all these games dropping and Zach needs to do an episode this week and you know he needs to get Dennis to do it Dennis needs to you know just give up his day off I always did I see that all right look look brah let me explain something it ain't a day off I do another podcast on the opposite weeks I do a podcast every week so it's not a day off don't play that not a day off I don't even counting the YouTube stuff I was busy doing so it was so funny it was a good side note Nicole is so cute she was like knew I was itching to get back but scheduling just wasn't allowing for it I think it was last week or the week before she was like why don't you just ask Dennis to record on this I'm like oh sweetie that's so cute of you like I know better I I know when to present something to Dennis and when not to we're we're good we'll get back to it but then yeah it was tpf and then you and I were both traveling on the way back and then we talked about recording there but it just yeah you never really presented a time and um and it couldn't and it wouldn't have been when we normally would have because you had to go to your Antonio Cruz yeah I was on a boat Sunday yeah so he wasn't Zach wasn't there the full the full TP I mean neither were Tony and I we we get on we started this last year we get on the road back because it's such a long drive in the late morning because actually I had a message from from will oh edding about uh taking back the the runner-up thing from the from the twippies I was already in Oklahoma so I had to message him and and say I'm sorry I I uh we're gone we're gone otherwise I'd have been happy to pick it up and he's like I'll just mail it to Zach but so yeah so uh it's just all that happening I mean that alone is a month right people wanted to hear we are kind of the voice of the industry people wanted to hear we're the hobbyists we got some strong takes I get it but you know there are a lot of other podcasts and they all you know milk this these Udders I mean I'll tell you where they got the milk for the ice cream it's from all the coverage of all of these releases over the last six weeks at this point yeah but they wanted to you know what we'll be the closer the main attraction the title fight you're gonna it sounds like code for saying stuff that's already been covered elsewhere you're gonna hear things ladies and gentlemen they're gonna make you laugh you're gonna hear things this episode 125 that are gonna make you cry you're gonna hear things that are gonna make you wanna bye bye bye bye bye bye as gtf one of them will have to wait and see then yeah went on a vacation went to New Orleans hung out in that City for a day or two then jumped on a boat a Disney Antonio Cruz Line boat and went to the Caribbean and Mexico and all that came back and here we are I'm trying to catch up still and then this morning I was honey Easter eggs I was hiding them I hope you didn't lose any because egg prices are up there now we did wait hold up do you still hunt eggs that are hard-boiled and dyed I just assumed everyone did I haven't done eggs since I was a kid but we always you know two of you yeah but you you know that back then those were cheaper than the plastic eggs sure it's like crackle and then you would have a egg salad sandwiches that were weird colored for a week and then your whole house smells like ass oh no they uh they my my folks told me real early on they made sure that they like made a map and noted where all the eggs were so that there was never an egg left behind I I've never heard of anyone making a map that is well I think they've listed it I don't think they like literally like drew a map like an architectural blueprint listed out where all the eggs were but they yeah no they they apparently started to denote exactly how many eggs were deployed and where they were so that they knew if we had failed to find any of them yeah nowadays it's all the Nicole puts like so much money in these damn things they could start a retirement fund she'll put dollars and then the the gold dollar coins and then two dollar bills she's big on this one away thing Easter was other than like going and and finding the the 1980s hard-boiled eggs and some candy like in an Easter basket Easter was not a high dollar holiday for for us we typically we will not tip at the end of the year for the holidays we won't even tip our lawn guy because he finds so many extra eggs with two dollar bills in them that he's he's covered there but any guess as to how many eggs uh sweet flipping out Nicole hides for these children any guess well I need a I need to do all of your kids look for the eggs we force our 17 year old and he's just like as long as you don't take pictures of me so I got math all right so and you'd want Equitable egg distribution so I'm going to guess so I'm gonna guess uh let's see four children 10 eggs each mess seems a little low for Nicole so I'm going to bump that up to 15. so I'm going to say 60 eggs that would be a lot of eggs that would be good 200 [ __ ] eggs oh my God I had too high 200 all with their own she even has like categorization of like if you get a prize egg it's this you know it's got this Insignia on the outside you can't do you can't do prizes there's a market system you get to trade it in for this price is she a Carnage it's a carnival because it's so much fun because the Starbucks on is Toy Story 4. yeah I'm trash yeah I have an egg meat so yeah that's what uh festivities here and she's probably angry right now because uh the whole family's over eating a nice Easter ham and baked beans and all the lovely the macaroni and cheeses do you guys do that for the Easters or anything we no like I told you it was hard-boiled eggs and a basket of candy nothing else was done it's the house of learned atheists we did do Easter stuff it was oh now you have to pick up all the fake grass that fell out of your stupid basket and put it back in the bag so we can recycle it for next how fitting is the pinball show coming back on Easter we are risen um oh that's why we get to listens my friend no no we've got uh we've got another way for people three days we got another way for people to participate in uh in the pinball show moving forward big episode 125 Dennis can you explain to people what's about to roll out of the studio over here well open up your wallets and get out your credit cards because it's time to cash in patreon them [ __ ] it's the time we've let everybody else do their cute little patreon Roll Lounge right we have risen all right [Laughter] so we've gone with a three-tiered approach okay Pro premium Ellie yeah r r is it s-e-c-e wait no that's not right well it's so confusing you know what we have already Plus this is our version of Insider connected all they've got to do is go to patreon.com the pinball show and what are their choices they have three choices the three-tier model as you were suggesting everybody can sign up and just become an official Club member it helps us out helps support the show and instead of just merely support and US tipping our hat to you we are going to provide you with something that other people aren't going to get thousands upon thousands but what was our last downloaded episode 6 500 people Dennis it was a lot that's a lot of listeners you're screenshotting the uh unloads we need all 6 500 people to sign up to help support this show I don't know about that and if they do the shows are going to get a hell of a lot better because Dennis and I are going to quit our day jobs oh [ __ ] so what you're going to get with it's ten dollars I think is the lowest denomination you become an official Club member of the pinball show thank you and we're going to give you an exclusive portion of each TPS episode only available to you club members wow and the one this week oh it's a juicer also with that official club membership on patreon.com the pinball show Dennis they're going to receive private club access to our new pinball show Discord Channel and for a lot of you listeners out there you're probably thinking what I don't do that I barely even do the Facebooks look it's easy you're gonna sign up to become an official Club member at patreon.com pinball show it's going to link you right over to a chatting channel it's super simple and then you get to chat with Dennis and I about all kinds of stuff about Easter about pinball machines about like when new stuff pops up Dennis and I will be in there telling you what our thoughts are we're going to be chatting about all kinds of stuff and the only people to get to do that are official club members that's pretty cool yeah the Discord is easy I remember when we first did the tpn Discord Zach was like and then we got it installed it's like oh it is easy it's easy and it's fun and it's like you can get the app on your phone super simple I honestly I chat on Discord with the tpn people in their tpn Discord I chat on there more than they do most of my other friends in life so it's cool now it's because you haven't any fans I gotta pay for him and this is how I'm gonna do it no no now we did say we had a three-tiered membership model to help support the pinball show your favorite pinball podcast the second tier level it's called the Nordman club now instead of ten dollars a month it's 25 a month but you're gonna get even more first off you're going to become the official Club member so all of the perks that come with that with that official club membership that we've just described you're gonna get all that plus you're also going to get a pinball show decal those metallic cool badass decals and I like this one you are going to pick a topic that's right members of the Nordman Club are going to pick a topic for Dennis and I to discuss on the pinball show and that's going to be a lot of fun you can discuss all that stuff that you email us and we never have time to talk about now's your time all you have to do is sign up for the Nordman club and if that wasn't enough we're still adding more each and every month for those Dennis Nordman Club participants we're gonna have a monthly Zoom hangout Dennis and I are going to be live on video with you the Dennis Nordman club members and we're just gonna [ __ ] we're gonna hang out every single month we're going to talk about what's going on in everybody's lives what's going on in pinball what do we think what do we hear is going on that's going to be a lot of fun too you can do that off your phone if you want to hell you might be eating dinner at the bar during that every month just try this in we'll be there with you we'll be hanging out you can even see denden's watch collection and I'll take you mobile I'll show you the pinball Barn the flipping out theater so that's the Dennis Nordman club and for all of those wonderful the the biggest supporters the most loving people Dennis are going to be part of a very exclusive membership club for the pinball show that we're calling the screaming goat Club my muted grout we had to silence her he ate it he thought it was an egg for the for the biggest supporters of the pinball show we're basically going to give you the keys to the studio here this one's this one's Hefty this one's stiff and I know that we're gonna get subscribers and patrons to this because some of you guys are really close friends of ours some of you guys will be close friends of ours if you give a hundred dollars a month it sounds crazy right uh yeah if somebody's people does have a hundred thousand dollars worth of pinball machines a million dollars a month it's different this is their favorite show that's got like invisi glass on it though Blood Sweat and Tears my friend a little bit of semen but it's all here 100 a month you don't get any of those liquids but you're gonna get all of the Dennis Nordman club stuff all the official membership club Stuff Plus an exclusive members only pinball show polo shirt oh that's fancy none of that cheap t-shirt [ __ ] an actual probably an embroidered or very nice stitched polo shirt the only members are gonna get we're never gonna sell those things members only you're also for the screaming goat Club very VIP here you're going to get a personal shout out on every pinball Show episode every single one of them we're not just gonna say hey thanks Tom we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna show some love in that you may even get a nickname if you don't watch it also with the screaming goat Club the hits keep coming you're going to get a private personalized chat Channel with Dennis and Zach and this one I think is going to be the biggest seller here because what this is this isn't a Discord you know Community thing this is Dennis myself and you that's it whether it's through Facebook Messenger or through you know there's a lot of forms of communication there but a chat just with us and you're going to get the stuff that people would die to have such as Insider information and rumors behind the scenes knowledge Dennis and I know we see all we hear all we're we're part of a lot we we've talked about this Dennis there's so much stuff that goes on behind the scenes that we really can't give to the public uh you know uh in in a big swath but in a private personalized chat we can share this information some of the behind the scenes stuff industry dirt even gasp worthy tidbits the full juice squeeze is part of the screaming go Club that's enough but we're gonna throw in another little thing for the screaming goat club members I want to see how many of these patreons we can get because I truly think we can get a good handful of these we're going to be including what we call Be Our Guest not just because I was on a Disney Antonio Cruz ship but mostly but most of that and I love that I love Disney but it's called Be Our Guest where you're going to be able to join a TPS episode an actual episode with your potato [ __ ] microphone and for for all the club members in the screaming goat Club you joined TPS for part of a club member highlight segment now this thing is it's not mandatory and it's probably not going to be the easiest but it might be the most fun thing you've done so if you dare join us on a pinball Show episode as our guest the screaming goat Club so we want to thank all of you listeners for coming along with us giving us all the awards and accolades getting the numbers to the point that they are now we're asking you for continued support through one of these tier systems we hope that you sign up to one of them uh whether it's the official club membership then Nordman club membership or the screaming goat club membership I'm just excited for the support and frankly like a lot of people doing this this is me being being uh what the kids call for reals do the kids call that for reals maybe just real I don't know anymore the kids they call it keeping it reels and uh this is me keeping it real a lot of people are like oh this helps your business and stuff like having a podcast and it does there's no there's no denying that but I I'd like to get you some help too Dennis Lee because you know but it doesn't help it doesn't help my business no I mean maybe watches would get a couple more people over there but so yeah this is maybe for you listeners out there that love the show you do that a lot through uh through purchasing stuff for my business but this will help out Dennis immensely as well so uh don't be a tight ass open up the wallet and go join us on Discord all these memberships you get to join a Discord and you get to hear the portion that is excluded from the regular TPS episode go do it now let's see in the first day the first week how many people we can get signing up for patreon and if you want to hear that address again to go to what is it Dennis it's patreon.com the pinball show we got email too I think it's the pinball show at gmail.com damn we're moving on up social media I think we got a Facebook page go follow like And subscribe there tick tock yeah I don't know anything about Tick Tock I think we got the tick tock parked it sounds like yeah you've got it but thank you people now the real question here is when people sign up for TPS membership and they jump on Discord and start seeing me and you fighting and going back and forth is there anyone else that's going to join us over there on the TPS Discord maybe a certain uh Master of Disguise Mr Craig Bobby welcome back Craig Bobby let's hear what you got buddy thank you yes it's been a while but hello and welcome back to the pinball shows top stories I'm Craig Bobby whoa Nelly it's good to be back on the pinball show with Zach and Dennis and in case you've been sleeping on your high speed or Adams Family pinball machine for the past two months it's literally been raining new pinball machine announcements since early March as for a while there you couldn't go to your favorite social media Outlet without seeing news of a newly released or soon to be revealed game and while it seemed to be passe to try and announce new games at the Texas pinball Festival these days it seems that all the manufacturers decided to reveal their newly designed games prior to the show this year in an organized and controlled way online to then showcase these new machines to the massive crowds at tpf who are able to look and try the games out for themselves as many in the pinball hobby of noted never have we seen or heard from so many pinball manufacturers in such a condensed period of time fearing to not make an announcement would be to get left behind in the wave of cash flowing from home owners and operators Pockets most if not all of the current pinball manufacturers chose to take advantage of the massive in-person environment tpf provides as they all chose to have something to offer patrons itching to try and buy something new who will be the beneficiaries of this All or Nothing release strategy is this pinball manufacturer group think or will the rising tide of Pinball's popularity take all to the promised land of profitability but now that the pinball dust finally seems to be settling down in the wake of all these announcements I think the real and burning question and obvious elephant in the room now is how long will it take to get your shiny new pinball machine once you've made your choice and allocated your hard-earned pinball dollars towards specific machine well we all know Stern has a winning formula as they're very well received and reviewed Foo Fighters Pro machines have hit operators locations around North America this past month with many Le buyers now receiving notice that their machines are ready to go on the line in the coming weeks followed by more pros and premiums over the next four to eight weeks Jersey Jack sure knows a thing or two about production as they had dozens of limited edition machines ready to go when they launched their Eric Minyard design Godfather title who I must say was able to weave pinball gold out of a relatively uninspired pinball theme from this iconic movie franchise spooky pinball seems to have found the winning manufacturing formula as they are pumping out their new Scooby-Doo machines every single week which are also being met with decent reviews so far but now we move into more murky Waters everyone keep in mind all of these next companies I'm about to mention don't appear to be going anywhere soon meaning I don't think any of them are on the verge of bankruptcy that we know of however that doesn't exactly mean they are on the verge of shipping you your machines anytime soon either we start with Dutch pinball who gets the if you can't go bankrupt keep on building them award as they have seen just a Groundswell of Industry support and popularity for their Big Lebowski title year after year and continue to live up to their promise of shipping a certain number of early achiever games that is people that have prepaid for their machines literally years ago when Dutch pinball first launched with the crowdfund model of pinball production now whereas that left some of those early Achievers who opted into this buy now [ __ ] me soon promise how about getting into year nine folks say what yes year nine as early Achievers are still being notified that their games are shipping this year despite literally almost a decade of way waiting for their machines so a pat on the back for everyone for hanging in there but my God what an awful awful journey and one that these early Achievers never should have had to take and never thought they'd be making so where does that put companies like American pinball Chicago gaming haggis pinball multimorphic and the pinball Brothers with their recent title releases well I'm not saying that you'll be waiting for a decade for your American pinball Galactic tank force gtf or spectacular looking single level retro inspired Pulp Fiction Machine by Chicago gaming company or your fathom Revisited Machine by haggis pinball or your queen or alien by pinball brothers or your P3 Machine by multi-morphic but what I am saying is buyer beware you better be patient as your wait times for anything other than a Stern kjp or spooky title could easily creep into the one year mark or longer as all of these companies are still struggling to get things right on the production side of their businesses which brings us full circle and back once again to the king of all things pinball and Stern Pinball now I know I know we and pinball don't seem to like the safety and steadiness of a company like Stern who actually gives you what you ordered in a reasonable amount of time in George Gomez we trust everyone because even though they are also getting a constant stream of a grade themes and let's face it they're designers coders and artists are some of the best in the industry they are also getting the good stuff in themes and people because they have found that secret sauce in manufacturing and are able to actually build what they announce to get those amazing machines out to their customers in a reasonable period of time okay sorry Elvira customers but nobody is perfect so say what you will about any given theme the art the code or even those expensive Toppers where the real war is being won in this year of new machine announcements is not in the boardroom or with new licenses or crazy ideas for new made-up themes and it really doesn't matter even if Jack danger who last time I looked worked for stern wants to promote a competitor's title just for fun because the real war is being fought in one on the production line and as long as Stern has that secret locked up they will continue to win dominate this pinball hobby for decades to come for the pinball show I'm Craig Bobby catch you on the flip side well thank you Craig Bobby for that General overview he did really well I missed Craig he's good he's pretty good where the hell was Craig out for the uh the for Texas pinball Festival you know I customs well I I it's probably an illegal substance in the U.S I actually found Craig Bobby uh when I got up close to this item he was disguised as it said and he was none other than that [ __ ] motorized pinball machine that looked like a tank [Applause] that was him okay nobody knew that he was so smooth with his crawling on hands and feet that it looked like a track that's that's true I did see him roaming around the hall at one point then McQuade had like a little remote control that was nothing more than just to tell Craig Bobby where to crawl to next hmm we have a lot to discuss a lot of people want to hear our takes on the biggest games that were released here recently I'm going to call them the big five that is Foo Fighters then I think it was Final resistance came then Godfather Pulp Fiction Galactic tank force they want to hear our thoughts on them some of them all uh wait a minute I've played all of them have you played all of them yep okay yeah and a lot of people have heard the eclectic Gamers podcast so you and Tony did an exceptional job going over your analyzes of these individual games I get to add my comments as well and and we get to uh we get to discuss agree disagree on the big five so the way you guys did it you went through these based on your preference of what you liked what took the show for you yeah we went in and reversed right you know from favorite to least favorite um and then we just give our thoughts because of course we were in an alignment on all of them sure and we were pretty cool like we were pretty close like we had General agreement on which games were quote unquote good and which games were needs Improvement well the the first one that we will discuss did end up being your game of the show this took it home for you and that was Stern Pinball's Foo Fighters correct yes that's correct it's hard it's hard to argue that uh Foo Fighters was announced by Stern Pinball with their regular Pro premium Le designed by Jack danger code by Tanyo Klyce and Tanya rattano I still don't know Raymond Davidson as well art by zombie Yeti ah mechanics who did the mechanics Elliot I don't know who did the mechanics and then the uh well I don't think it was Harrison drink I know my I know my Engineers over at Stern apparently not because you're struggling I just don't know which one did this one I know them I just don't know their work I know them and then there was audio I think by Jerry Thompson Foo Fighters we played that I continue to play that I didn't want to give up the pro that we have in our showroom to Joel Engelbert that was flipping out with friends to play and stream it's because I've been playing hell out of it but the Allies are coming here soon so I thought I'll let him take a slice of it your initial thoughts were Foo Fighter you were raving it right yeah the I I really enjoyed the shot geometry there's a there are a number of unique items there where I feel you know Jack is a new designer's influence clearly shows through that versus what we've seen from other designers uh rules seemed quite approachable so overall yeah and I I personally enjoyed the premium more than the pro I could I could use more time on the pro I I played the premium multiple times so I can't remember I only got one or two goes on the pro okay but what about the looks of the game uh what aspects like art I mean zombie Yeti so it is what it is it looks good uh I don't know Foo Fighters I couldn't hear the game uh at the show so so I couldn't really hear uh hear that part but you know the screen stuff looked fun I like the take that they went with the with the story approach and how that was being told visually was fine so very cool yeah I mean yeah it's nice I mean it's not I I won't be buying this game but well you know I uh I have a rule at uh any game that Raymond Davidson does if it doesn't have airport modes I'm not buying it so unfortunately this was rolled out but I would look forward I look forward to playing well he knows the rule he knows but I look forward to playing it on location here's one of my strong takes Dennis when it comes to the Foo Fighters everybody loves zombie at his artwork right that man can't do any wrong sometimes people say oh too much rude too much green I get that Greg but but everybody loves zombie Yeti artwork I'm gonna give a nod this time not only to the artwork because that was beautiful Jeremy's artwork I've said it like a broken record listener it's so good that it kind of just it just kind of goes flat just because everybody expects it to be great I think equally as impressive as that hand Illustrated artwork was the audio in this package a lot of people did play a tpf so they couldn't hear it but I assure you listener the audio package whether it's the sound effects the call outs and of course the music together as a package is just as impressive as the entire artwork package these both are a plus hits when it comes to features of this new product and game when it comes to the rules yeah approachable yet findable I agree they're good they're what 0.891 so they're they're well into it they probably have some wizard modes to dino but yes it's a code set dentist that is not just your regular run-of-the-mill band pick a song and we're gonna rock out hit the lit shots until you complete your jukebox we're this is a story based game you're traveling through cities trying to destroy and defeat aliens from the Foo Fighters It's Scooby-Doo it's Saturday morning cartoon it gives you something to Chomp on a bit right sure not just a band pin yeah that's just a band pin I think it was very smart for them whoever's decision that was to go hey let's not just highlight in photorealism Dave Grohl and Foo Fighters because that won't sell a lot of people turn their nose up uh to an sdt in video that I did before when I made a a sound uh whenever Foo Fighters was a rumored I said yeah Foo Fighters I still like the band okay whatever but this game is [ __ ] phenomenal and it's because of the theme I love them fighting aliens I love how groovy that is I love the gameplay of this the rules are great too there's not really a downside to this damn game I think the Highlight for me regardless of my history is the [ __ ] layout this layout you said it like like a calm Schoolboy this layout is elwyn-esque this layout is unbelievable the top kicker Dennis gives me a bone I think kicks it kicks it up the ramp this thing's got flow for days of course you guys have heard that from the 12 other podcasts that have talked about this but the combo nature of this game the feeling the kinetic satisfaction the feeling of these shots cannot be understated you take any other manufacturer I don't care who it is and regardless of the geometry you can't match the materials of a Stern Pinball Machine that's what creates a lot of that feel I guarantee you yeah it it really wasn't all that close versus anything else that was it's not regardless it is a [ __ ] Master Class of Leia isn't that crazy I'm Win Schilling the hell out of this thing I can only report the facts numbers don't lie speaking of numbers of [ __ ] sales is this baby Godzilla holy [ __ ] yeah it's gonna be another I'm gonna have to wait on this one get in line quick because you're gonna hurry up and wait I shouldn't do this as a dealer but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes this was easily my number one pick for uh what took home the tpf show what took home the season what took home the year probably Foo Fighters that's predictive all right Foo Fighters is everything Foo Fighters how am I praising a band that I couldn't care less about the same way I did Godzilla damn it's good game when it comes to the Pro or premium Dennis if you wouldn't have told me that there was a premium in Ellie and I just played the pro I would think it's one of the greatest games ever I wouldn't even need what comes in the premium alley wouldn't even need it because the pro is magical the pro is genius the pro you get all the goods in the Pro it's that layout it's the sound it's the rules it's the artwork you get it all on the pro what the hell am I missing Area 51 okay you get an upper Playfield that is actually cool I like it and the overdrive post oh this is sound as your ball comes back into play the dead the dead post yeah I think it's called overdrive on the overdrive Playfield though yeah I don't remember I think so you get the 3D uh Overlord and then call them the Underlord I think he's a topsy though [Music] an Overlord you get the 3D Overlord with a magnet that is kind of cool I think I like that more than the upper Playfield actually upper Play Feels cool I do like the diverter that comes up for the jackpot shot chef's kiss that's smart I like the loops up there I like the spinner up there the dead post everybody wants that dead post hell they want it so bad that in your pro game it'll tease you because it's the same Playfield as a premium at least it even has a hole in it with a little spring a spring uh metal uh flap on there I was worried if it would work or not and I I have to be honest a tpf the game I was playing it wasn't very consistent I my worry was after playing it a few times is that it was on the one I was uh this was a premium model that it was working too well that it made it a little too easy to constantly get back in oh yeah I I was worried that it wasn't but then so I played the hell out of one uh one game it just wasn't it wasn't enough because I mean geometry it has to come down with a certain velocity to physically even be able to get up there so it's not by Nature going to work every time right correct I'm correct I I just it wasn't as accurate I played on a different one it was it was much more accurate I had to remember to kind of give it some love too kind of you know give it a little like if you're pushing a kid on swing a little push don't be a deadbeat dad a little push so I gave it a little little bump up and it creeped up there that was good what I would have liked to have seen here's my downsides on this what I've liked to have seen Dennis is give me The Simpsons pinball party fandom flip remind me that there's a flipper down there and that's what I'm supposed to do I would even go so far listener to say Monster Bash it give me an actual Addams Family Phantom flip on the the first time it goes down there just to show me oh you gotta hold your flipper up for it bounce up and over do you think it'd be too much to ask no no I I do think it'll probably confuse a lot of casuals but you know it's kind of like uh yeah I don't know I I it's tough for me because I feel like I may maybe I've played pinball too long in the sense that like I thought it wasn't that hard to figure out but but then again you know it's like oh yeah this is a post and it's here for a reason there's the art showing the finger flicking the ball and anyway it was you know is the other aspects of the layout on the premium that I enjoy and I wasn't a huge fan of the upper Playfield per se as an upper you know upper it was a better it was one of the better upper playfields um but I just kind of liked how the geometry worked on the game overall that that portion of it is not my that overdrive uh dead post is not my favorite uh thing that the game brings to the table but I thought it was kind of clever and you do get a lot of points when you successfully do it okay especially if you do it repeatedly I thought the in-lane targets the shots targets were gonna be weird especially how the ball Contours into them which is very different than a typical in lane from a sling backside uh that didn't confuse me at all it felt very much the same it was I didn't successfully hit those I did try but yeah I'm talking about just the way the ball feeds with it right right no I didn't notice any weird uh how the regular inline feeds worked yeah so that was good um what other is there any downsides to this game um I've heard some people complain that it's going to be a long shooter because of how successful the layout is Elwyn has been criticized for the same thing at times okay uh my games on it were were kind of lengthy yeah for being new new to it in particular so I think that's probably a fair criticism another criticism I saw that's not mine but I but I do understand it so I'm gonna point it out is I did see someone somewhere share a photo of a lineup of stern zombie Yeti Games uh at 25 feet away and it's and they said you can't tell which games they are these are because the art approach is the same on all of them that was was that Christopher Francis no I don't know who I don't know the sword I don't know the source some of this was secondhand got shared to me and I was like uh when you walk up it's very easy to know which games are which but okay yeah in a bar when you look at this lineup you do you have this one style and okay yeah that's true it seems like uh Stern's like hey people like this uh so I can't fault them for saying hey do what you did but fool it instead of instead of pull it you fool it that's right but yeah from a distance they all do kind of look samey I'll I'll go one further on that and say that zombie Yeti did not whether it was his choice or not did not differentiate the premium and le as much as I would have liked now see I didn't see any Les at the show so I forgot about that but that was something it seemed like all that happened was one of the layers had a color change yeah it went from Orange it was like the Avengers thing where yeah it went to Green rather than oranges and red so so I guess if I were a potential Ellie had I been because I'm sure they're sold out but had I been a potential Le buyer that probably would have put me off a little bit that yeah because we kind of got in the habit of the of the Ellie's getting a unique package he did that on the fenders too remember the back glass and the sidearms like all right like it's just instead of the Ellie being yellow it was the blue and the premium for Avengers and I'm like come on Jeremy we need more but he's probably busy doing all of their games well and I don't know if that is his decision or not I have no clue but uh yeah that was kind of because but it wasn't poster I don't want to overstate it because they wanted a bunch of posters yes that's true that's very sorry Bond and what's left of your sales oh I delivered a bond 60th this last week what Bond 60s is his own special beast and it will talk about it but I delivered it and the customers that they were getting three games and trading in five games so we were talking about the beauty of some of the art packages as I was Wheeling them in and out and I wheeled in bond 60th and I was like and when it comes to Beauty uh sorry guys this thing is just not a looker congratulations oh my wife was like oh for real I was like [ __ ] she didn't know she didn't know no she never got to see it oh you can see Daniel Craig Foo Fighters is [ __ ] amazing let's keep the puns going because that that nicely done Stern team Jack danger yeah Tanya nicely done Ray day Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) JT everybody that that that uh that makes Zach a very very happy man for real the next game that came out I think was Final resistance yeah the the the first appearances designer from Scott denisi over at multimorphic on the P3 you loved this game so much so that you put it in second you put it I did it I did there there are a few things about it that that made it really uh easy to not put it above Foo Fighters okay uh but overall yes now let me now I know this is a dentist thing so let me I'm gonna complain first though I really struggle with the name because every time I see this and I I've struggled with it for the last month because I want to keep saying Final Destination because of those movies yeah so it needs it should have had a different name so that I don't get confused the Devon Salwa oh wait no it's final what final oh final resistance I'm just like I don't know I it's a it's a me thing but I keep tripping over um yeah okay good job Zach you're brilliant everyone loves you go ahead so so final resistance are or as you would call it uh and you actually called it fairly accurately TNA 2.0 thank you a lot of TNA Vibes to this game not in terms of layout okay so this is a fan layout yes like this is a full-on fan layout it's got but it waits for Fanny yeah but it's got the soundtrack techno style EDM music just like TNA does it's got the uh cyberpunk approach just like TNA does it's got a scoop that's gonna make you each eat your lunch and you're not paying attention just like TNA does it's got the I think for multi-morphic fairly simple but fun uh ball lock you know robot ship thing also file that also fires the balls back really really quickly I was able to to get that going and then you know the big change up which has you know I know this is this could be a controversy to discuss because I know some P3 fans who don't like that this was done but the idea of this sort of static approach of keeping the screen like a traditional Playfield some animation effects done it's not it's not totally static but like you see positions with inserts and those yeah so yeah so that persistence concept making it like a more traditional style approach to how you look at it when you see the layout that I I it really worked for me it really worked for me uh of course I was a TNA owner uh so I like the cyberpunk theming I like the music I like the ball uh speed and aggression a lot of people uh found this game very hard I actually uh going up and playing it my first game was of decent length and that's because the fan layouts are forgiving so uh I did have I did have a few instances where the ball was coming back so quickly and I wasn't prepared for it but because all of the shots are in the back because that's where the module is I actually had a lot more time versus TNA to react so yeah no I I enjoyed it uh again I couldn't really even though it was a louder game I still had a lot of trouble hearing I could hear the music I couldn't really hear any like the callouts and stuff uh rules seem straightforward and easy to understand um I'm trying to explain let me try to describe the call out sounded it sounded like [ __ ] TNA it's the same vocalist same vocalization okay same thing okay same lady so yeah so overall I thought really competent game put together I could see where I had asked Scott really competent game well yeah no it's it's kind of like everything like you think about it oh I didn't mean it like in a mean way no I know uh it's just like yeah ever like all the aspects there's not an aspect about it that I think was I mean what would I like just kind of nitpick it uh and again this isn't Scott's issue but like they have that clear plastic at least on the game I played on the lower where the flippers are like I couldn't because of the color the color scheme and the lighting that he chose to do for the persistent Playfield I actually at the very first time the ball went down the left in Lane I panicked and didn't think there was a I couldn't actually see the plastic I yeah when I'm watching on it oh [ __ ] there's nothing there I can't I can't trap it's not an Italian bottom but it was and I was like oh wait a moment I'm just my eyes are just not I think P3 has done that in other games too like I think it has to do with the the color and it was sort of dim uh and then of course it's a clear plastic so it just it tricked me I thought I think they could honestly go further with that static type of persistent Playfield I think they could take that artwork into that Italian bottom even more so to differentiate it and and to really set it out uh to go off what you're saying to to really make it look like Plastics even if they aren't there but I mean anyway so so you know there's that uh doesn't use the upper flippers that uh can be used right right those are those are optional installs you don't have to have them and it is a fan layout that's probably the reason why it was my number two game is there's the layout in and of itself doesn't scream uniqueness to me that's why I use the word competent because if you're going in and saying you're going to do a fan layout there's a way to do it and I think this executes on it but it doesn't feel all that original either uh because of that and of course we're pulling a lot of things that we know worked from TNA so that's where I could see you know some people maybe finding it a little overly derivative but um but overall I I think it it I think a lot of people that might have struggled with the approachability on TNA and I know some players including like competitive players who hated TNA thought it was too unfair I think this feel will feel more fair to them I don't know if the approachability behind based on the rules of that um inventory system I don't know how critical it is to use that but that's a good point it was it seemed like it wasn't an overwhelming amount of inventory but again I I didn't I I heard other podcasts where people like played and Bowen was there and he was able to explain to them and remind them to use the stuff I saw I clearly saw the inventory like I had a hack I never activated it though okay so because I forgot about it when I was playing and and I never have really liked this uh yeah in a way I should because it's closer to where your hands rest but I don't really like the three button cluster on the sides of the P3 oh I think you're the only one well I never remember which I have to look to the side at the start because I'm always like all right uh it's the flipper one is the instinctive one but that you know they do it by color and when I'm playing I don't remember where the colors are on the sides yeah it's like it's like looking down your feet and seeing where they put the gas pedal the brake pedal to clutch yeah I get it right so that's got to be changed but when I'm driving I don't have to pause and go I don't remember where my clutch which one is my inventory my clutch anyway I'm precisely but but that's not that's not a Scott issue that's the that's the platform so okay all right but yeah I enjoyed the game you love this damn game is it enough to make you purchase the platform no damn final resistance did you you said you played it I did play it I had the luxury of playing it with Scott Danesi walking me through it oh yeah you know it's just hashtag uh pinball media did you play against him did you win I did not I let him walk me through it like a like a young eager Joel angle birth and I quite liked final resistance I really really liked FR fur I really like TNA 2.0 Scott it's it's TNA 2.0 I remember we we got a little [ __ ] on the last episode when I said okay let's cut the bullshits it's TNA 2.0 and if you guys like money you would call it that so it would make or maybe even double sales from what you were seeing well that would have been hard because the spooky went out and made the re-release and called it TNA 2.0 even though Scott I believe himself said it's really more TNA 1.5 exactly this was TNA 2.0 down to I mean every single thing about this was TNA 2.0 so if I slip and call it that that's just because objectively that's kind of what it is final resistance shot very very well I love the layout as well I really appreciated that the layout had mechs built into it so the ball paths would change I appreciated that the Mexican held balls for locking ball system I appreciated the gate the The Shield that would go up and down I love the little right orbit that kind of kicks it back at a certain situations love that this is not only the flowiest P3 game released this is the flowiest Scott denisi game ever designed this thing shot like a sequential combo machine it did feel like a machine it felt like the P3 like what the P3 was designed to do this is what it felt like it was supposed to do it felt machiny it felt techy it felt it felt like a [ __ ] TNA 2.0 like that's what it felt like to me when it comes to the rules Believe It or Not whenever the Scott was preaching this inventory system I was like oh dude I don't want to [ __ ] with this this works so well Dennis that even I could pick it up and figure it out but between you know the the different powers you know they were easily that I could flip through them easily Grant it I hate the the button placement how it's got to be a different button and stuff like that but it makes sense that it was that probably more so than just a standard two button so I understand is it makes sense to use the other button even if I don't like the other button I think if that makes sense listener uh I didn't like flipping through but it it worked and I did like the power-ups and they weren't overwhelming they were pretty simple to understand the rules were a little bit confusing at times for me and the sound was great I think it's this is so TNA 2.0 Dennis that when Scott releases the official album because he likes money he's just going to call it TNA 2 oh no what I didn't like about this game uh it it doesn't look as good as TNA I the art did zero for me did you feel like you were playing that storyline of the of the look like punk rockers but I guess that's what gin disease look like yeah no I I like the art didn't really catch my eye on it no I loved the persistent inserts in the constant artwork on the Playfield you know more like a standardized Playfield I liked it so much that I've been preaching about it for two goddamn years now maybe three about that's what Jerry should do on the P3 system stop trying to beat Disney and make animations it's never gonna work remember listener that was me saying all that nobody thought anything and then Scott Danesi he says isn't holy [ __ ] genius so yeah I've liked that for years now and I'm glad it was implemented I don't think it was implemented far enough yet it needs even more so than that also with the code I commend them for creating a rule set that didn't feel like I'm chopping through remotes or anything I think over time uh as you're progressing through because you are battling this system this machine uh that's infiltrating whatever playing it or whatever it is uh you're you're playing through modes in not a non-linear but like a um non-sequential kind of manner or non uh predictive manner I do like that I do like that whenever you do start that that uh the multiball where the balls fire at you like a shotgun that is a true P3 moment that is a pinball moment like I've never experienced uh on a P3 game ever that was [ __ ] phenomenal I loved that and the audio and the lighting sequence and anything the only downside with code that I've seen like it was a bit cumbersome the the whole uh it was a bit of pain in the ass that whole Shield thing how it's the rubbers and you're hitting that thing it's not that satisfying to me and it felt as if like I had to combo and then hit things which is I like that but I felt like my main objective hitting that shield and getting it down was just is too much it's too much so I really like the game I liked what you were talking about on eclectic Gamers podcast where you said I don't think this would require a P3 system this could be a standalone pinball machine would be quite good and probably much cheaper I couldn't agree more I think that if anything it being on the P3 is a setback because when it all comes down to it I can see why you put that game as number two of this big five that was released I can see it I would disagree with you until I turned blue and that's only because of the feel of the game I do not and I don't care which game comes out I don't care what they do I do not like the feel of the P3 system that was the biggest that's holding it back my poor Scott Danesi's game is being held back by the P3 they could have went clever like P3 so TNA P 3.0 or something like that I don't I don't like the feel of the game so for me that dropped it down two three maybe four spots this is probably out of the big five my last ranking because of the operating system hmm I don't like the feel of it well and I've heard others who who've had a similar reaction I was okay with the feel but yeah and then the looks of it it's just it's not a pretty game per se I still I go back to this you get so pissed off Dennis but there's got to be amount of time that all the lights on that screen sometimes the screen kind of looks washed out like when are we gonna get a new display where I got the deepest of blacks in the in the contrast saturation so that you're wanting like HDR so that we're we're if we're going to do the static representation of artwork on a plague field like a like a standard pinball machine it almost might get closer to fooling us because it still looks like a display with inserts that don't move you know like yeah no I I get it so I think that would be something to focus on if you know if I'm developing a P3 game or I'm part of multi-morphic I'm wanting to know how we can up our game when it comes to Tech and that is the visibility and the clarity of that screen because I want it I want the artwork deep like a screen print or like a digitally printed piece of wood which I was telling Scout when I was playing he was explaining rules I was like honestly this thing shoots so good and it feels so good this back third that I just I have fun shooting it I don't even care what I'm doing it's just this is like that's how I differentiate a lot of games sometimes is how it feels how it looks how it shoots and feeling the ramp paths feeling the orbits the spinner up the Middle with the indicator you have to hit it so many times it's got a spinner count [ __ ] come on love that thing so I maybe maybe I'll warm up to the idea of the of the P3 just because of this game but I like this game more than I like to Weird Al I'll tell you that much uh but selfishly I'd lie if I didn't tell you that if this was just in a wooden cabinet in a wooden Playfield with a regular parts I think I'd really be a buyer what about Godfather you a buyer Godfather no but I enjoyed it jerseys it's too much for me it's too much for you I'm cheap I'm a cheapo how are the meals in this Italian restaurant you place you played The Godfather you enjoyed it yeah I played it a couple times oh a couple times you play the LEC I played the Ellie both times very nice little Michael Corleone action was it too multiball heavy that's what some people are worried about with Keith P. Johnson game was that I don't like the lighting because it should never use the color blue or purple in this genre I hadn't heard about the like a ban on LEDs that were blue or anything uh no lighting was good uh I did get a multiball on all my games and so yes uh that's not not a sign that I was looking forward to seeing um though I think that might be less numeric multiballs in it than say GNR okay they they don't seem which I get but like they're not very far from The Flipper like they're what's the expression they're not far from the start button [Music] um the layout this flippers felt good in both versions I I didn't play the same game so flippers felt really good at the show best uh that I can recall ever experiencing and uh the game does play pretty quick for a jjp I have to qualify that like if you're you're coming off of playing final resistance and Foo Fighters and you're playing Godfather Godfather's gonna feel a little slow but not floaty it wasn't floaty uh uh that return to the right in Lane of that habit trail that one's quick too that one was surprisingly yeah yeah you need to be a little cautious on that um but because they're like these 29 ball paths and a lot of that's relying on things like diverters there's a lot of things that slow that ball up in order to surprise you or or or feed you in a different way so it kind of depends on what you're going for in in the experience but I thought the game idea you know the kind of risk board game approach they're taking with the territory and stuff that was that makes sense I think a lot of new players are gonna go and you know hit the bash toy which is what you would anticipate so there's a lot of punching out the minions um which I will say there's to me there was a little bit of a it was fine like from a gameplay perspective but a little bit of a disconnect from like the movies and then like all this stuff you're doing because they're like here's some stuff related to the movies and then the other things like The Bash toy and stuff are here are these game modes which are you you know fighting these Mobsters that have nothing to do with even some of the creators from the company yeah yeah which you know I'm because I recognize who they are I thought okay that's that's neat like I like how they work them into to do that but it's like they're stuffing in content that isn't really movie content to build that out and I get why they have to do it weaving is hard to do yeah let's just say you can see the stitches yes I I think that's a good way to describe it yeah I think it's a lot like if you were like I got twelve thousand dollars and I want to buy a pinball machine you were looking at this or Toy Story 4 I would definitely be looking at this oh definitely definitely that's a lot more a lot more uh on the play field that you see here that is a strong experience I also like on The Godfather which is a little bit unexpected for me because it does shoot so well is that you have a lot more chaos than you than you would think with the 29 ball pads all being very smooth shooting as well uh as you were discussing Dennis but some chaos I'm going to call Mid play field there's some chaos with some additional sling like projectile mechanisms so you got the the pop bumper right everybody's like oh it's writing a Godzilla spot so that's some mid play field chaos and you also have an additional sling almost across the Playfield to the left side so you get a lot of that and the balls are very chaotic flying around um flying around a lot I think it's a smooth shooter as I've said before I get a chance to play it a little bit before the public and that's what I walked away with I walked away with I love The Godfather other films not really a theme that I think for pinball is like a must-have for me the sound everybody's poo pooing initially the sound I told you all I don't know if it was on flipping out with friends or where I said it but I was like look somebody filmed like a potato cam the wrong portion they did the little hokey Italiana you know Sicily multiball which is supposed to be tone cheek just bear with me the sound is a lot better than what people describe on Toy Story or Wonka or anything and it was people aren't really crapping on that people don't like the announcer voice the heavy New Yorker it's tame compared to the fake New York going on here it's like they got Bruce Nightingale to do his Italian impression before the whole game yeah yeah so I understand that I'm with you with the whole stitches thing trying to blend the original content with the film content is tricky now there is some controversy before I go into oh my God some controversy about you know was it okay putting in some of the creators this is Godfather's an iconic franchise are you gonna you're mixing in the creators from jjp into this as monsters I'm here to tell you I don't see any issue at all with that because you need those bosses you need the people you're gonna fight where you can get them from like I don't care if it's a if it's a jjp employee or you know some AI rendered but I could care less who in the hell it is and I'm gonna have to battle somebody um and you're not going to be able to use for like [ __ ] put Sunny up there like you're not gonna be able to do that so I don't see the controversy there they needed content and that's kind of like a little nod to the people who are way into pinball like I was like oh a little weird about busting such a great friend of mine creating Cromwell punching him around but it's cool to kind of see some of those guys up there Frankie and stuff so I have a zero issue with that I have no issue with that I didn't know I didn't know that was it yeah people were like oh okay they shouldn't put the workers in if you lose the can does he say swing in a mess swinging a mess just a bit outside that would be actually pretty great uh I the artwork doesn't disappoint either phenomenal no that's good is much better in person than I initially uh reacted the game video might have been the prettiest in that entire Convention Center it really it's really beautiful even with the lights I don't that's a trademark jjp brought pinball lighting to the 21st century so I'm fine with them leaning into hey look what our lights can do and five six hundred of them the rules I really like the structure of the rules I will even if he is a friend of mine I will poke Kiefer again as I do on every [ __ ] release I don't need that many multi-balls it's better than GNR don't get me wrong but it's still multiball heavy in my opinion I'm not a big fan on any game really of going into another multiball with an existing multiball um but it just seems like it's always the thing that he does yeah I like the key for rule that you can start a mode after you've started a multiple I like I do like that I do like that I just I don't I don't know but the but the at least the rules were very uh approachable I think the stained glass window makes it very easy to figure out where you're where you are along with what you're doing uh you know it's articulated better than Star Trek Stern Star Trek did it oh my God and Dennis the moments in between the modes when you complete the two modes and the one in in the middle is like a subsequent mode like oh I love that I freaking love that yeah so so overall I I do think that the rules strategy that they've employed here makes a lot of sense I I just kind of like ah does every jjp game have to feel like here's your gimme multiball and yes I don't like here's my issue when it comes to the code this is going to be offensive because I'm using a different coders Style and using it as an example of what I think Perfection is and I would love to see Kiefer in the team over at jjp replicate this styling when it comes to the rules if they in fact want to start stacking multiple multiballs on top of moats it's quite simply the greatest game ever created and it's done by Lyman sheets it's called The Walking Dead a dentist in The Walking Dead you can stack prison multiball on top of bloodbath and if you do it correctly and bring in a mode right between before those it turns into one of the most sought after greatest feeling objectives of that entire game and the score explodes that is like the euphoria that I get playing pinball greater than any is actually stacking two multiballs and emoji and you get the X shots sure so but I want to point out Lyman wouldn't let you stack wellwalker in prison or prison in wellwalker you're locked out of one or the other but again one of those it was too because he knew it was too easy to get both going when you had one of them going sure sure absolutely and that's what I mean so so I don't want to I probably shouldn't have implied that every every multiball can never be stacked with another multiball but you know bloodbath was hard to earn but that's what I'm saying you don't get to go into well Walker and then then pound the prison and get prison because it's stupid easy yes that's generally that's when I feel like I'm getting with jjp games is if I get a multiball I can stupid easy my way into all of them that's what I'm saying generally speaking I would agree with you at first pass I would say no I don't like all that stat but my favorite game is that and I think that if jjp could find that balance where it bloodbath is not easy to just start by flailing but uh prison is not easy to start by flailing if you make multiballs a task in and of themselves then when you stack them then you really feel like you're climbing this mountain top where it feels like a payoff if I just keep flipping and I start a multiball and within that multiball I subsequently will just flail my way into another multiball in another damn mode that's when it feels grindy and I just like I said I think the world of those guys I would just like them to find a balance that feels more like a Walking Dead on getting to that I think that makes sense I think that makes sense but as it is now I'm still playing that game probably more so than anything in my collection right now just because when you do blow it up that oh it feels so good like the game gives you feedback like Wonka does it's like holy [ __ ] you're doing something it's a winner of a game it was my third favorite of the yeah it's I think it's a very strong package overall I think the biggest thing that will probably stop people from getting it uh just like with Toy Story quite frankly even though I think this is better than Toy Story is it's a it's a high price point to get in at well what surprised me from the distribution side and sales side I was surprised how this thing when it rolled out we had the pleasure of doing the featurette thank you for all of you who messaged me and enjoyed that featurette thank you so much uh that [ __ ] nearly kills me every time we do one but it was fun filming and going up there and hanging out with everybody but whenever sales opened up on that game I thought to myself hey you got Godfather it's a theme that is mixed I think you know and the CE plays just like the Ellie the CE super Gotti which I love but I don't know if general public will like that as much for the price it surprised me Dennis that those CES are still sought after them still get messages those things sold out immediately can't find a damn CE out there the lease actually were a struggle for sales more so than the CES how does that make sense the topper uh uh maybe I always forget about that the topper is phenomenal it'll scare your dog and cats and make them [ __ ] and piss on the rug but uh maybe that is it because they sold they sold so fast but the lease allies were actually uh Elise did not sell as well as I thought they would at least for our business again probably shouldn't share it but yeah they were surprisingly lower than I thought speaking of we do have them in stock over at flipping out pinball ding I would place this in the ranking it'd be probably for me right in the middle of the pack we give it the number three position in the big five that we are going over what would be higher than the Godfather for you Pulp Fiction the next thing that came out was Pulp Fiction by um by play mechanics in Chicago gaming company manufacturing it in six months or whatever they're gonna do yeah yeah Q3 I think Pulp Fiction you played this one time one time because then I did not have a long ball this was my fourth this is my fourth favorite because I just couldn't get a good feel for it I couldn't hear it I my ball my my game was bad I just I did bad at it um I liked what I saw of it I watched two other people play it closely because I played it in a three-person group so they let me stand there like right up against the glass and watch it so so much about it I really like I think it's probably a winner I definitely say it's the sleeper hit of the show I think it got a lot better accolades Than People initially I think we could have said that though from the trailer that people have reacted positively in a greater number to this game than I thought when uh with everything I knew about it before it was revealed you know that there was going to be a throwback style and all of that I I'm very very surprised at how well it has been received um but I it was a 50 minute line man I couldn't do it again I just couldn't do it you're right though this game hit our industry like a storm all of the things that I thought would hold some people back how seemingly no one back no video screen people got over it quick they didn't care you know throwback style cabinet people didn't care throwback style art throwback style art that I thought people would get hung up on people are calling it one of the most beautiful games ever made to be honest when we went up to play mechanics did a featurette with the group Mark Ritchie is back you've got David Thiel is back right we sat down with all of them and we had a pre-production meeting I don't think this is this isn't in trouble worthy Josh Sharpe don't sue me uh we talked about okay here's the things we want to highlight in this feature at here's the long list of things that that this product has going for it here are the five things that the pinball player first viewing and seeing this may bring up hey this is different I don't know if I like this some of them being things like no video screen well you know it's it's a little more complicated than first presents but no ramps basically I mean yeah there's some you know it's got some funky stuff you've got some Subway stuff going on in the back people will see initially yeah and they're going to see a single level nobody said anything this because they see the layers they see the different things that they are presenting they see this being perfect pinball theme integration and we can Overlook a lot of things when integration is that well done see The Big Lebowski yeah this game is nostalgic in every right way and if you like Pulp Fiction I hate that people couldn't hear it Dennis because that is its own character in this game is the sound the sound I can't even say the calls because the callouts is every audio stem from the film virtually they had access to anything they wanted to put into it but you also have the musical genius and the sound Geniuses David Deal mixing all that together oh the sound is where it's at on this game I don't know if you've seen the structure of the code and and the the rules and such but very very basic very basic still deep but it's not there to confuse you you're getting through different it's like an attack from Mars you're getting through five tasks one of those tasks is five modes you got multiple jackpots here that you got to get to get to the uh the divine intervention but there are so many damn moments in this game oh whenever that uh the pawn shop multiball [ __ ] pull thing starts and the lights are all sequenced oh man the the freaking the the briefcase Boogie Dennis the briefcase did that not was that not shocking when it turned around everyone loves the briefcase everyone loves it so cool and I don't know if anybody did it during the show but if you get to the mode called the shot I think you have to complete all of the modes before it's like the mini wizard mode the shot where you're trying to hit in sequence enough shots to resuscitate Uma Thurman's character with that Narcan or whatever and the lighting and the sound is like a heartbeat like hoard boom boom and it flashes red and every shot it's getting closer to faster and faster and then you hear a mumbled Son of a Preacher man's sound in the background uh very distorted almost like in and out of Consciousness it's [ __ ] Prof action it's Pulp Fiction and it looks the part uh that all the way down to the details of that coin door so I think the marriage between this design team Mark Ritchie play mechanics and the manufacturing and topper development prowess of not Churchill cabinets but Chicago gaming company yeah the this is this is number two on my list and I think if we're talking about the Aesthetics and everything this is number one in theme integration lighting looks um new product new style it's it's everything but you can't beat Foo Fighters gameplay it's got everything else I really like Pulp Fiction sorry yeah the big ass mirror back glass oh play field artwork yeah it's me let's Lethal Weapon three-ish I agree yeah that's that's fair it is but the back glass I liked the the side art that looks like stencils but it's just a two color a little dancing little dancing topper oh my gosh you know every time that one of those characters talks they turn and talk and they flash even the Plastics where the artwork on the Plastics the dialogue that is spoken within that game you'll get if Sam Jackson's character Jules is talking you'll get a flasher back there corresponding with the audio of his call out oh how a company would ever be risky enough to make that film into a pinball machine or into a product in general is beyond me but thank God they did I wouldn't have had the balls to do it wouldn't have done it speaking of having the balls to do something that maybe they shouldn't have are last game of the big five is galactic tank force also termed by the pinball show gtf exclamation point excellent that's part of it you know what you said it you said it in there okay okay I think even in some of the stuff he sent to dealers had the egg it's a gtf exclamation I'm like you son of a [ __ ] like damn anyway you want us to distribute this thing and do you want us to do the entire marketing piece for you for free they could use it now this is going to be a super super interesting and juicy discussion here Dennis because there are some really really low lows for me and some really high highs for me I bet you're not going to be able to guess which one is which I probably can't but you're only going to be able to hear our discussion if you are an official Club member of the pinball show you can do so right now by going to patreon.com the pinball show signing up and you will be eligible for this next portion our analysis and discussion of American pinballs gtf Galactic tank force and if you're a tight ass you're not going to hear it we're going to move on all right very quickly the other five we have James Bond 60th anniversary did you play that now isn't that the show why wasn't it at the show I heard those reports that dealers aren't allowed to bring it I don't think that's true I heard a hard time another podcast I saw that I don't know what any of that was I took the Louisville show nobody said anything it's silly it shoots like a dream check your emails wait until you all play this you guys you guys will still be like man twenty thousand dollars I spent twenty thousand dollars on a pinball machine that's so cool wait until you all see that topper somebody says that Topper's [ __ ] oh my gosh I'll find that topper on the Gomez the Topper's so good that is a that is a young Keith nice job nicely nicely done I think maybe Bond 60th and Foo Fighters were the are the best shooting games uh the last couple years here they're so good Scooby Doo where are you um yeah it just didn't work for me you know why it didn't work because I don't know why it's jump watching Luke I did our first impressions video straight down the middle of the I said after I played the first game I took the Left Post pulled it down one and took the right post out immediately could they not have had at that with eight eight Bank of those at tpf have one of them that says Enthusiast post uh uh positions it's a game changer that game is tougher it doesn't it's not so I heard they were all at stock and whoa could you tell I mean there were people heard that might have loved the game especially if they were winning an easier player because like like if you the layout is very different than Halloween and while I actually like some of the aspects of Halloween better than Scooby like the call outs and stuff I just and I get it they got the real call out people with Scooby but I couldn't hear Scooby whereas the Loomis impersonator on Halloween is quite frankly awesome um uh but saying all that aside I mean it's it's uh I mean I could hear those it was it was in the wood choppy like here just do these three shots and you get this mode it's very approachable so it's gonna resonate with a certain type of person I am not that type of person but a lot of people that might have liked that style even were losing their patience and getting out of line because it was baby's first pinball experience any any child would be able to endure on that game for a lengthy period of time with the settings the setup that they had at that show I will ask it leaves a bad impression if if unless you're wanting the impression to be the you're gonna feel like a winner playing this game because you can't lose for trying no because even players to the level of myself which are not high like a tougher shooter this is it is too approachable I would argue out of the box and I will I would ask this from your dentist give it another shot if you ever have the chance of playing one with the at least the posts removed or move down one preferably one removed at least to balance out uh the difficulty there and listener to you as well this game is a winner but presented as it is I can I can see the argument because there are no shots that are overly difficult and that has a middle pop-up that's going to save you as a drop Target and the outlines are up I am not going to argue any of that just all about all I ask is give it another chance once the posts are set up in my opinion properly for an Enthusiast or you know a common frequent pinball player that's all fathom Revisited I want to kick in the nuts a little bit yeah no it did a lot it was a lot of fun I I really actually I had someone offer me their uh pre-order spots all right podcasted and said I really like a premium yeah um I we didn't get the pricing because I wasn't looking to buy a new game right now but um but you know it was uh and whatever they're doing to make that Playfield not dimple that feels good it's really cool that was a special game an underappreciated special game that whenever earlier in the podcast I said Godfather might have been the prettiest Bell of the ball there uh the mermaids snickered I heard him yeah but they're Sirens it's a little unfair because that art already it was established but established looks great I like the the little screens in the in the uh in the lock bar they're easy enough to read I know look the font's a little weird that they're using in it though I heard you say on EGP that you preferred the Playfield Monitor and I about drove my uh about drove my car into a tree visually so like no in terms of not having to move my eyes the idea of having a display where I can keep my eyes dead that's what I I didn't convey it well because uh because I also I thought I pointed out like the big problem with being a Playfield on the screen is you get a seam there yes they do it and that's a big issue for balancing it out and I think I criticized that that was the thing the whole value of having a right the whole value of not having the screen in the back boxes so you don't have to you know trap up and look up somewhere you still kind of have to do it with the lock bar position so yeah it's a superior position to you know Xbox but but I'm still having to move my head more than I might you know like if you put something floating like uh like dialed in had the little screen off the super wide orientation in which they picked their monitors um I know that costs more I I see the details there that is a detail-filled game that will I think continue to Trend up and up and up and up on the secondary Market what about Queen uh Queen was a very meh game for me okay I had a really long game on it uh four games uh I I mean it wasn't like I don't and not no I I probably had about the same length of time as I did uh I'd say a little longer even than Galactic tank phones but not as long as Scooby of course but nothing was going to be that long um uh right side uh right side shots didn't feel very good to me uh left side felt all right uh slings at least on the copy there felt very plasticky and weird yeah I didn't know yeah I don't know like they sounded weird it sounded weird uh definitely better overall though than alien in my view yeah yeah but doesn't have the integration there alien oh no no uh and again I couldn't hear it so so I don't I don't know the I don't know the rules and code yet for queen I am delighted to hear that uh it's the same coding team or ferret or um Joe Schober uh is doing queen as he did Alien so yeah I got the one the Wembley multiball I got it twice in the same game oh yeah okay I played the code at Expo so it was just so hard to know but uh because I didn't play Queen at tpf yeah it was it was okay I would never be in the market for it um but I'm gonna see it but I've got one coming to the showroom in the next couple weeks so I'll break it in a little bit because I love that theme I had fun just from a basic standpoint shooting it at Expo but there wasn't any standout Max or anything like that so we will we'll see yeah this is there's nothing about the layout that I thought was really cool um I don't know it's just it is it's it's all right it's all right I think it's all right and the rules might you can take all right with rules and make it good uh I but I where it's at and I don't really like the upper Playfield either being up there I didn't it didn't and that's a it's a decent chunk of space I think Queen fans will be happy oh yeah and there's a lot I think if you're a queen if you're a queen fan I would say definitely try the game because it might because of the integration it might work better for you than it does for me but we're gonna have to wait a little bit to see how Queen rolls out in the Long Haul even more so we're gonna have to wait even longer I would guess for Turner pinball new manufacturer Turner pinballs ninja eclipse hmm okay um did you play it no neither did that because it was approach type uh I deliberately refused to play it someone asked me if I would and I said I would not it's a very very prototype uh yes I went up and because I like the inserts were arted over but you could see kind of where they were marked to be put in um I'm not sure without playing it and this is unfair of me but I'll say it anyway I'm not sure the point of bringing a game that early on in development to a show like that I think all you do is leave a bad impression of of how it plays because it's not going to play great ninja Eclipse was prototyped to the level of that pop-up alien and gtf that's how prototyping it looked what are they using a run-of-the-mill 3D printer over at AP why in the hell whatever at the center tank didn't even look like it sorry that was for patreon only people sorry ninja you know why I didn't play it no I didn't play it because every time I went up to it there's only one person in line but they had 45 minute ball times and I'm like well forget it I've got like a seven-year-old in front of me and he is just looking like Keith Ellen I'm like okay all right I'll come back again and every time I come back somebody's just longest Bowl time ever so I don't know if that's indicative of the layout but it looked like long ball times but I have zero clue I just I just tired of waiting why come out with it you buy all this like deep root asset stuff why are you making a new layout and not using one for one of the Legends like Nordman or Osler or something it doesn't it doesn't make any sense and a lot of people in pinball I know what the media do and I get it I know what hobbies do I get it they're trying to be nice up front because they're like you know what maybe this is different maybe this is different I get all of that but I'm here to speak the truth and the truth is I don't [ __ ] get it why would you bring that thing it looked like a dog turret there uh I seen the layout of it there was nothing fancy it looked like the ark from the stern Indiana Jones in the back left and the 180 ramp we've done that plenty of times and with that low profile of a 180 it's never going to [ __ ] feel good the right ramp in itself was a boar Fest I don't get any of it the only thing and the theme don't get me started on that dumbass theme but the only thing that I did kind of get and was intrigued about was somebody with enough money number one to try to pull this [ __ ] pile of Raza and everything else that was deeper out of the toilet to make them their own company and number two the animations those animations it reminded me of the beauty that was some of the deep root stuff so if Turner and Turner logic and if they were responsible for some of the animation stuff that was intriguing uh that's what I'm most interested about but honestly guys I I don't know who your Market is but if you're going for the pinball Enthusiast Market start at the drawing board with that layout because there's nothing there that's going to tickle the balls of anybody in pinball I'm sorry wow I'm being too honest the only other news this week is Stern Pinball did announce and release the rush accessories finally and they thought to themselves you know what uh the topper king the accessories King is in the middle of the ocean Now's the Time gang we can release this now because he's not gonna know and that's precisely what Stern Pinball did with no acknowledgment they just put it on the market and US dealers scrambled to figure out how in the hell we were supposed to sell this thing do we have any pictures no no pictures what's the price what's our allotment how many are we going to get we're going to find out in two weeks so that makes zero business sense okay so we we scurried and you know what who was one of the first if not the first dealers to make sure that that game was orderable on their website oh Caribbean Zach ah yes still found a way and shout out to nap arcade for putting the link on his website when we were the first to get it out there what do you think about the the top of Rush that's a winner right there with the gears yeah it's cool well you mean it's cool that's downright awesome it's cool 16.99 not not as cool sold a lot of Toppers so a lot of Toppers while out of the country okay thank you for all the support of shooter knob and it lights up Dan Dan I know you still get excited about LEDs like they're not cheap bulbs you know what though when it comes to [ __ ] like the expression lights it's so hard for stern to get the [ __ ] out that it does excite me it does and the illuminated shooter knobs are so much better than anything else ask the Godzilla egg [Music] side armor the Starman side armor and the expression lighting system you want to see an industry that is in love with a lighting accessory move over UV lighting system for stranger things the expression lighting system is here wow I sold more expression Lighting systems than I did Toppers well because it's a lot more affordable and arguably gives more experience to the player that's true there are some exclusives in that topper though yeah I know but when you're playing you don't look at the top that's true again that it has like like mystery award stuff and I get that I get that the DLC strategy for everybody if you want to know yes the accessories are going to start shipping out in late April that's what they're saying don't hold German but that's what they're saying what would the pinball show be without the pinball show Stern production timeline updates shorter would still be the best team podcast in the industry but it would be shorter that's right for everyone that's got their Foo Fighters that Leon order they're coming baby they're online right now they're going to be shipping this week and probably into the following week where's my premium where's my premium [ __ ] it's a [ __ ] email one more time with my premium have you seen any out yeah actually somebody did well it's because they're from tpf they're show model MJC oh God I'd say the following week so two weeks premiums will start rolling out of the factory late April they've got on the Slate James Bond Pro and premium keep in mind I don't know how big that runs gonna be that's going to be a sprinkler I'm gonna call that a sprinkler I'm gonna sprinkle in some James Bond Pro and premiums late April then comes May when we have this is a big update y'all because I haven't talked to you guys for a while and changes have been made in May of 2023 here Stern Pinball is going to be producing Jurassic Park premium that's becoming the new Godzilla premium when it comes to wait time everybody wants their Jurassic Park premium it's like last year's Deadpool Gotta Have It last year's Elvira it must be mine in May Jurassic Park premium as well as Iron Maiden Pro and premium also a hot little title right now June comes along we're gonna get more Foo Fighter Pros as well as Avenger pros and premiums Godzilla Pro and the newly bumped up from November run of Godzilla premiums to the that's just bumped up sound July is coming and we get Foo Fighters premium remember the pros in June July we get the premiums and a newly bumped up title that was originally in December that people can't get enough of it's called Deadpool prone premium they're moving it up I wonder what that means for December it's almost as if they're making a hole for something coming in August is Jurassic Park Pro and that's it in August they'll find something else to fill in there September kind of open right now not that they're looking for the second Cornerstone to be dropped in October James Bond Pro and premium some more Bondies and then November Mandalorian Pro and premium those are those are starting to get a little harder to find so November is going to be good for those as well as December Star Wars Pro and premium yes that game they are still making that title it's Star Wars and if I were to guess probably their top three seller and the entire company's existence just based off a theme alone never forget what theme does people never forget if you get close to somebody at Stern Pinball production and and they know the numbers ask them about the sales of Star Wars Mandalorian topper update none they're supposed to go on the line a couple weeks ago I still haven't heard anything I don't any time now I have no clue same with Iron Maiden topper no clue when those are coming out but they did promise US that they're coming back out new code for James Bond baby I hear it's getting really good I haven't had time on it though I don't have one in the showroom right now I did take an alley on trade but it's at BD's house hmm oh [ __ ] and that's the pinball show no it's not the pinball show wouldn't be what it is without the one the only the favorite pinball segment that is not stuck behind a paywall GT not gtf PMG Market trend I started slow but then I got a little energy in the in the second half of that trending up this week Dennis Crystal you magnificent bastard you is how is it not how's it not all across tpf erections we're at half directions full math whether you like the pro or premium it doesn't matter it's certified hit so much so that it's gonna put another child through college thank you Jack danger Foo Fighters is fooking amazing I will show this thing to the day I die because uh I think this game May sell better oh this is bold at the end of the day I think this game May sell more units than Iron Maiden is that possible I thought you were gonna say Godzilla no no no no now I was gonna have to say something uh Ironman no actually I think that's fairly conceivable I would argue Iron Maiden is a more controversial band and a lot of people had trouble putting that into their home just because of the theme the fighters is you know it's friendly it's alien you know oh it's grolly if somebody messaged me they're like you know I'm hearing the Foo Fighters is actually even better than Godzilla that shot shut up I I told him stop don't text me it gets better than Godzilla okay Foo Fighters is a better choice for a lot of people that have been looking to be contrarian and act like it's not the best game and yeah some of them tried to latch onto Rush initially but yeah five versions of airbags to protect the scoop kind of made that seem a little sus whereas Foo Fighters though the Foo Fighters could be the good contrarian pick put down the foo sauce it's it's easy we're not at Godzilla level yet all right all streaming up this week is of course it's Pulp Fiction nobody knew this thing was coming like it did like a freight train and you know what this does this opens up Mark Ritchie's ass to design another game for play mechanics I think that they're gonna make another game now Josh maybe a wide body oh Josh Sharpe did say on a pinball podcast somewhere that uh they're not gonna make one you're not gonna see one 20 24 from them but yeah yeah speaking of what yeah you said wide body Mark Ritchie was on a loser kid pinball podcast and said when they were conceiving the the Playfield on Pulp Fiction initially he was wanting to have a TV screen and a wide buddy like a loaded Indiana Jones wide body and then Tarantino just pissed all over it and said oh so Tarantino is actually uh knowledgeable about pinball ah thank you Clinton because Mark I love you bro but no no no no no no you would die oh my God try to find a Pulp Fiction Ellie I can almost guarantee you it's a hell of a lot harder than finding even a Foo Fighters Ellie at this point it's the Golden Goose right now in the entire pinball industry if you did like the Most Wanted uh you know products right now there's there's stranger things Ellie there there's a couple of games that are just everybody wants and Pulp Fiction Le just nestled its briefcase right into the mix all streaming up this week is Carl D'Python Anghelo's competition pick Stan he was on a recent pinball podcaster too and it surprised the hell out of me when he said when it comes to competition pinball there's a couple titles that he thinks are really good competitive games including Jurassic Park no-brainer and Toy Story 4 your purpose fulfilled now Carl beat the hell out of that game beat it up really good got to the wizard mode and lickety-split but he said based on the rules the structure the layout that is actually and you can you know manipulate some of the Allies but actually a really good competition pinball machine shocking to me especially in the shortness of when it was released that must mean it's a very well-balanced game in general which I've been saying for a while now thanks Carl Angela's turning up this week on pinball market trends a little TV for you if you guys are feeling frisky for something new to watch I would recommend Apple TV shrinking with Jason Siegel Harrison Ford the acting is impeccable the storyline is good it's not way too comedy sitcoming no it's got some deepness there the writing is spectacular and from I believe the Creator executive producer Ted lasso shrinking is a hit I couldn't get enough of it I binged that some of it really quick as well as training up Mandalorian season three I thought you know what ah they've squeezed this alien fruit as much as they could this is the way but I was wrong season three is just as good if not better than season two I have spoken turning down this week any guests didn't Dennis what might be training down what what indeed my friends it is I can't even have the heart to put it into our now iconic phrasing of it I can only call it trending down I can't even say it as an acronym it's galactic tank force I could be trending up in so many ways I could have sold three times the amount that I ordered but alas you'll have to hear our patreon analysis on on why this is training down but I don't think it takes a paywall to realize that you may have played this or seen this game as well and there's many reasons why it is simply trending down all's trending down this week is that sad ass zombie apocalypse show that I thought I was going to be a fan of called The Last of Us Pedro keep the mask on buddy because for some reason this is just a shittier version of Walking Dead Walking Dead at least had a great storyline um this I was waiting the entire season for it to become good talking about television series and this was on the HBO it's the last of us from the hit video game series I I don't know what's going to come season two but season one was a stanker am I wrong I haven't seen it I don't know the gift you just wait for season two rings of power oh can't wait damn it I still can't wait for that one no deals of the week this week no WTF because the show's running long find me a Spider-Man Vault people I once one I wants one and as always it's episode 125 and we are here just to report the facts because numbers don't lie neither do I on pinball market trends Dennis that's a show that's it are you allowed to be back yay I had fun I was looking forward to this day oh I'm glad you were entertained and now you get to look forward to all these guys now I can want to quit podcasting again after I edit yeah maybe just take another month Hiatus oh where can people reach you the easiest ways to email me over with eclecticgamerspodcast gmail.com because I check those messages quite regularly and they can patreon you over there too they could but of course they can patreon us here so yeah patreon.com the pinball show or slash eclectic Gamers podcast uh you know what would be nice they would really be the crystal fan if they did both I really I think that strongly and if you're a fan of myself you can go to patreon.com the pinball show I want to see which uh 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