Oh, what's up, everybody? WAP episode number 27 is coming into your ear. Don here. Jengez is live via remote recording remotely in the great state of Florida, where I just had the Texas Pinball Festival. What's even going on? What is life? Who knows? What I do know, his pinball is pretty awesome. Hey, Betty, how you doing? I'm doing great, my dear friend. How about you? Are you enjoying Disney World? Of course. It's so warm down here. It's snowing in Wisconsin. So, yeah, I had to get out of town, and then I got out of town, and I had to get even farther out of town. And here we are, man. But, yeah, TPF just wrapped up yesterday as of this recording. And there was new games. There was new stuff. There was an exciting rumor we're going to drop later in this episode that I want to be real. I'm so bad. So bad. Oh, my God. Okay, okay. So, yeah. So, last show, 26 it was, we were like, Donnie is on the way to TPF. Yeah, yeah. And we said that we should make a Patreon show when you were there. So, at TPF, before everything started up, we actually dropped a bomb of a Patreon-only show. That was awesome. It was awesome. Yeah, great feedback. And it was so much, you know, before the doors were open to all the other people. So it was all the media people. So you were in there. You saw everything. It was so good. So, yeah, what a lovely show. Two days later, you dropped in another Patreon episode while I was sleeping. You recorded an awesome solo show. That's so cool. More stuff for our Patreon listeners. Love it. But now, I was like, hey, Donnie, let's do another show. Absolutely. It's over. And Donnie was like, I'm on my way to Disneyland. I was like, whoa. So, yeah. But I hit him up and I said, do we have an hour? And he was like, I was about to try all this great stuff. But if you're asking, let's do it, buddy. So, yeah, just a short one-hour show, Donnie. I really appreciate you said yes. The WAP don't stop, man. The WAP don't stop. The WAP don't stop. Thank you so much to all the Patreon members as well, you guys. Fuel us. And I love it. I love the discussions that go on there. I love people that show up at the show and they're like, dude, WAP. Or you know what's happening? People are coming up and all I hear is, Donnie. Donnie, how you doing? I'm so happy because you hit me up and you're like, dude, people are listening to WAP. We have listeners on WAP. They're just hitting me up. And T-shirts, Donnie. T-shirts. I got more going out. If you need a T-shirt, email wearepinball69 at gmail.com. $25 delivered worldwide. I don't care if you live on an ice flow in the sub-Arctic. We'll get something out to you. It's beautiful. T-shirt, stickers, everything. Everything is going out. It's pure awesomeness, man. The support is crazy. And we have been talking about with this kind of Patreon money support or what I should call it, we have been talking about we will make new logos. Right, Donnie? I got some concepts and ideas. Yeah. And we're upgrading recording equipment to keep this train going along. It fuels us, literally. Use the money for new equipment, new T-shirt. We're going to pay a – what's it called? A designer? Is it called designer? Artwork guy? What's it called? Absolutely. A wage slave, I think. A gig hermit. Yeah. We'll be paying the gig hermits to draw us up something cool. Christopher Franchi drew me something nice that I can't share with the listeners, but I could share with you later. Yeah. Nice. I can't wait to show you. We are thinking about buying real intro outro music also. Absolutely. With all the Patreon support we're getting. So thank you, everybody. Oh. What's up? What's up, man? We have another Patreon supporter. But this is crazy. Bring it. Donnie. I'm going to bring it. Because, yes, we have a lot of support on Patreon. And we have Team Spooky in there supporting us also. but like two days ago when we dropped the uh you know patreon on the show bam we got another patreon supporter do you know who it was i think i have a clue morgan emory yes this is as you put it the the kid sister to bug over there at spooky pinball she's gonna hate it and we just called her that morgan is that the kid sister who is it i believe she she does outrank him in years but yeah let's just go with it because i think this i think he's cracking up right now and she's probably canceling that patreon subscription but it's too late you've already been billed at least for one month and that's all we need i mean morgan welcome to the team we really appreciate it and we were like is is morgan and luke are they married what are they do you know that i you know it all gets cut the details get lost in the hot tub i'm not sure how it all shakes out but i think they're they're an item but i haven't been invited to a ceremony yet i i mean she could she could just take his phone with his account and listen to our patron shows but how awesome how cool is it that she also jumps on this wop train and support us it's do you know what the dream is done you do know what the dream is let's give me your dream kick it yeah you and i we're really we're Win Schilling for spooky pinball we're Win Schilling don't get no money but we're Win Schilling because we we like the company we like the people in there we like the positive attitude and we like their games right donnie jengis jengis how can we be Win Schilling for a company that has no games left to buy evil dead just got sold out so what's even the point of paying us shills for what are we Win Schilling what are we Win Schilling that's the truth but but can you imagine with all the support we're getting if if spooky pinball was we are pinball's official sponsors and before listen to this they were our official sponsors and before each show they hit us up two minutes and said guys we're about to drop a new code to this game it's gonna have this included and we could share that or guys we're only 50 games left something something This distro has this many games. So we could give these small insider stuff for Spooky. I would love it. Don't you get it? Couldn't it be cool to share some insider info? I love your naivete there. What would happen is if we didn't move at least 50 T-shirts per episode, we would get cigarette burns behind our ears, and we wouldn't get dinner that month. That's how it would work. Or at least that. Yeah. Okay. We're not getting money, but we're Win Schilling, but we're just happy we're just happy man and yeah they sold out so at the start of the show how many games did they have so they were down to 50 there was 59 left plus um a smattering amongst distributors and then literally as soon as the show started it was like every time you would check it there was another 5 or 10 or 20 games missing and it was like something's going on and i think what had happened was a lot of people were already pretty much sure they were going to buy it but they wanted to wait and at least play it first and they knew that it was going to be at the texas pinball festival 10 of the games were set up and then as soon as people got to play at once they were like on their phones yep let's go bring it it's it's just amazing i want to ask you how how was the lines did they did they were people standing on lines to try the games how was it constantly yeah as soon as you hit noon on saturday there was a a one to three game wait just to get on a game like any game but particularly you couldn't even walk through the uh the spooky booth because it was so densely packed with people for sure they had like so yeah 13 games in a tight space there did you ask if they only sold uh from the show did they only those that weekend did they only only sell uh evil dead games or did people try the other games and also bought them right so the games that they have in production right now of course evil dead but they're still they still make scooby-doo they still make texas chainsaw massacre and looney tunes and looney i I saw that there were some TCM sales that happened as well. Oh, nice. Which, of course, it's in Texas, man. That's the best place to go for it. And that's a hell of a game. And of the three spookies I have, I don't know which one I could say is definitely number one. But it's either TCM or Evil Dead for sure. Wow, man. Wow. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. Then a distro came by and said, what was it? Pinball Star Amusements? Yeah, so that was Joe New. Joe Newhart from Pinball Star. He's one of the distributors. He's out of Pennsylvania. I think I bought my Scooby-Doo through him, and I think I bought my Pulp Fiction through him before I firmly solidified my spot with Matt. Yeah, he came over when there was 25 games left with a check for $50,000, and he was like, here you go. They're mine. And then I saw he immediately turned around and started selling them because people were coming up to the desk, and they wanted a game, and they were sold out. So they pointed them over to Joe, and Joe was taking their deposits. uh so he might even be sold out now too like they were going fast that's that's a boss level move man i love it can you imagine just walking over here here's my check boom that's that's easy money right why did i think of that i could have bought 10 of them and just like turn around and sold them pocketed some money go and bought myself a uh got myself a portal or something could happen we're gonna we're gonna talk about all right what did i say on our last patron show You need to be a distro, Donnie. Everybody loves Donnie. I know. Donnie's pinball. Do it. Come on. Do it. Oh, my God. Yeah, do it right as the market completely falls out. That would be a great time to do it. It was stressful, man. People are coming over to you and saying, Donnie. Donnie. I want a game. I want Predator. Hilarious. We have to thank Jeremy Fortman. Jeremy Fortman. absolutely dude what a what a freaking awesome guy ran into him again was he there i think he was there yeah yeah it was all it was all a blur but yeah i'm pretty sure i ran into my boy our patreon premium level supporter another supporter enzo ferrari was not at the show but he was absolutely invited yeah you know enzo uploaded the show i listened to 15 minutes of it this morning. He uploaded the show with his friend on YouTube. They were talking about TPF Games. I don't know what his friend's name is. Was that Gonzo? Gonzo's Pinball Flipperama? I think so, Ian. Very British guy. Yeah, yeah. He's very British. Very awesome. Both of them. Awesome, awesome guys. Just a short of it. Really nice. Go in and listen to that show with Enzo and gonzo super cool oh anthony we need to say thank you to antonio banderas also my dear friend absolutely blow him up too as well yeah and you go ahead and blow some josh cox also our ce supporter man oh my god and charlie's angels also down here another bull goes out for charlie Another collector's table. Yeah. And full transparency. We have got this. What does it say? No, you read it. Can you read it? What is it? $1,251.33. Is that what I owe for the stripper last night? No, that's the, what's it called? Patreon support. What? Full transparency, buddy. Full transparency. Oh, man. We hide nothing. We've cleared an entire rack already? That's amazing. I mean, that's the numbers I can have. I mean, this is so cool. Numbers are going up. Listeners are going up. People are calling you Donnie. I love it. I love it, sir. Thank you to everybody in the back that's been giving us money. Super awesome. What the heck with that voice? I just found my sound effects buttons. Yeah. Okay, Donnie. So before we jump over to the very awesome Stern Neo that we're going to wait, talking about that, I just want to start with another game. I just want to start with Middle Madness. Thousand Limited Edition. Yeah. Merlin Edition. Blue. It's, yeah. Blue Edition. So this is the Royal. Nothing new on the playfield, right? Nothing. This is the Royal Edition. It's just blue now. Same topper. I think the screen might be a little bit bigger. But, you know, it could be that when they went back to AliExpress to buy the screens, now they have an updated version. So that's just what they went with. It's Medieval Madness. It doesn't matter what I think about it. It's a good game. All 1,000 preorders, I think, are gone already of the entire run. Domestic only. It came. It went. It was rumored for three years. It was rumored to be, like, happening for three years. Like, every time we heard it was like, three more months, they're going to go into production. And then I guess it's still rumored to be three more months to go into production. It's just they've taken your money now. Now it's confirmed three more months, right? Right. Well, the Royal Edition was like $9,000, and this one is $12,000. As I can see, it has got inner art plates. It has got a bit more lights down at the apron. Great. Other than that, the play field, the plastic, everything is the same. It has got blue armor instead of the black. So here's the thing with CGC, right? The deal has always been you can get it quick, you can get it high quality, or you can get it cheap. Pick two. Which ones do you want to do? And they were doing the inexpensive, good quality, but you're going to wait. And so that was always their jam, right? Now they've taken a look around at what Medieval Madness is going for in the secondary market, the Royal Edition. It's about $12,000 or so. And they're like, well, we'll just charge that. And it's like, well, okay, okay, okay. Well, you're no longer cheap then or at least good value. So now you need to either bring these games quickly or it's going to be really bad to have $12,000 tied up for another year and a half. Do you think they will bring them quickly? Well, they never have before, so why are they going to start now is my response to that. And us Europeans, we just got the finger, man. Us distros over here. Did you see what they said? It's always you get it when you get it, but you're paying a good price for it, so be happy with that. So if they're charging now what I could just go out on the street and grab someone's Royal Edition for, they better turn and burn on this thing and get it out, man. Something better have changed. So you don't think they should wait over a year? Absolutely not. I mean, nobody should be doing that. Absolutely nobody. Spooky gets away with the pre-order deposits because in two months production is ongoing, and within four months it's spooled up. Next month or the end of next month they'll be up to 20 games a week. They'll be churning out. And that will complete the entire build one year from the announcement date sometime in November when we see their next game. So that's the cadence I want to see. you know i'll put down a deposit go order your parts but then i want to be updated like like give me the game in a couple of months man i don't want to be waiting no year there's still like over 250 people waiting for uh pulp fiction limited edition still it's been two years oh my god dude when you're saying november december with spooky right yeah i'm gonna when they're here at this show i'm gonna ask them because their last their last game was just under 2 000 games right the scooby-doo was yeah well actually uh if you combine uh tcm and looting tunes it was like yeah 1700 or 1800 altogether yeah and and the other game was also up up there but this game right now or evil dead is only 8088 that cannot be a full year man so i hope that they will release this summer or something like that well let's see once they spool up if they're doing 20 games a week 80 games a month in 10 months that's 800 games that's probably what they have left over now the other thing is they didn't build 1800 tcms and looney tunes that was just how many could be sold totaled neither of those games have sold out um scooby-doo hasn't sold out not sold out no um so you know there's not 1800 tcm looney tunes combinations out there so you can still you can still order those games but evil dead gone but But you can order them from distros, but haven't they sold out from Spooky? No, they still have them. You can order direct from Spooky. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, that I understand because, you know, when you put two and two together. And the other thing is they still have TCM Looney Tunes and Scooby-Doo are still in production too. So they might, you know, throw five Evil Dead's on the line and then throw in a couple Looney Tunes and a TCM because orders came in that week for them. And so they can make all these concurrently. Okay, okay, cool. Yeah. So, yeah, rumors are saying Medieval Madness sold out in 10 minutes or something. Sure. Well, I mean, think about it, right? This has been rumored for so long. There's so many people's names on distributors' lists that as soon as it went live, the distributor just, you know, flipping out probably had 1,200 people on their list alone that wanted it. So, I mean, by the time they got done with the lists, all the games were gone. the strongest rumor i heard was january 2023 we will get medieval madness remake and we were like oh my god next this was back in early 2022 i was like oh wow early 2023 remakes were yeah so people have been on the list and waiting and waiting and waiting so yeah well if they sold out if it's true congratulations to cgc build the games ship the games congratulations to the new owners we have a lot of medieval madnesses out there it's madness yeah yeah it's a good game did you play it yeah yeah of course um and you know it's fun um but i've been i've been playing it since i was 12 years old yeah so you you didn't buy one i didn't buy one no no no no no no there's no need i have owned that game for so many years if it cost 5 000 i would still not buy one i'm tired of the music all i'm so sorry i'm gonna say this but all the williams games i i love them in until recent three years or something and on a some show i listened actually to my favorite designer Keith Elwin he said yeah bella williams games i'm over them it's all about getting to the multiple and score the points yeah and i was like wait a minute this is bella williams and i just you know stepped back and i thought about for 10 minutes or 10 seconds i was like elwyn is right elwyn is right he's completely right they're all about just get the multiple and score the points and i was like ah so he's right you know with all the new code and rules with the new games just look at jaws rule set right yeah absolutely yeah um yeah i mean the modern games have never been as as deep and engaging as they are with these classic themes the way they're integrated the television screens the extra modes that are in there the code updates that we're getting um you know the insider connected like they've never been as good as that so yeah how's last action hero gonna hold up to that how's indiana jones and things last action hero is awesome but you know i mean it doesn't have a uh the shark is broken mode right it doesn't have you know boss rush challenge modes and like that's what i'm like super excited about about playing so so talking about modes yeah and medieval madness and cgc and code they just released the code for the cactus canyon yes sir finally at long last there's an extra little mod and some extra code in there 1200 1400 bucks something like that if you own cactus can if you still own that game why does it cost so much because why do you pay i mean i mean because What happens when Stern sees this model? What's going to happen? Oh, well, Stern wants to adopt the model of, you know, dicking along their customers for three years and then overcharging them for a code update, then fine. But no, I don't think anybody's happy about waiting this long and then get hit with the fact that now it's going to cost money. That's it? Because when this game came out, did they say when we are done with the code update, you can buy it? Or did they say we will update the code with a lot of new stuff? My understanding was, you know, buy this game and we're working on the code update. It'll be out very soon. It's like, you know, Lyman basically had it done. We just need to finish up the coding around the edges and we'll get it out to you. It's kind of the sense that I got. And then, you know, over the last three years, I kind of forgot all about it. Remember, this Cactus Canyon remastered was released. Not even remastered, just remade. It was released the same time Halloween was, right? I mean, this was like a while ago. Because I remember because I was late to Halloween. It was already sold out. And then the next thing was Cactus Canyon. And I was like, oh, I kind of want a Medieval Madness. But Cactus Canyon, oh, maybe. And I remember from back then. And then, you know, okay, you got the good Cactus Canyon with the topper. Oh, now you can just buy an SE Plus and you get the topper too. Well, that kind of sucks. So it's been an ongoing, ongoing thing. So I think that's why. If you haven't just – most people probably sold their Cactus Canyon by now. If you still have it now, then these people probably already ordered the upgrade kit. I mean, honestly, that game 10 years ago, it was special because there were only 903 produced. And 30 years ago, how many is left? Like 500 is left or something. So it was a rare game, and that was it. And when we bought it, we had it for three weeks. We were like, there is nothing in here. It's such a simple game. Yeah, and so – People just form it again. This wasn't like, hey, we got Rudy's Nightmare as an upgrade 2.0 package to Funhaus, which was a complete game. This wasn't a pinbot – write a pinbot 2.0. This wasn't a 2.0 kit. This was like the rest of the 1.0 kit that you were supposed to have anyway. And so it was like we sold you an incomplete game. This was the code that brought it to completion, and now it's being sold as like, oh, hey, now there's a 2.0 code. We completely redid the whole game. Maybe they had to redo it. Maybe all of the code and the rules that Lyman had was just scrawled out on a sheet of paper. Nothing was actually hard-coded into the game. Maybe it all had to be translated into a different language for a different board set or something. I don't know. So it probably required a considerable amount of work, and coding is not cheap. If you want to get a game coded, I don't know, $80,000 or something is the number I've heard floated around there. If I want to take my homebrew and hire a professional coder to do all the rules at a professional level, $60,000 to $80,000 is what I'm hearing. And so, like, probably, yeah, they had to do that or take three years and do it in their spare time, and now they want some compensation for that. Those are the thoughts. Did you get some numbers of the new code updates? Are they selling, like, hotcakes for $12.50? I have no idea, man. I was over partying and playing with the other new games, and then I went to Florida, and so I don't know. I'll have to wait for somebody's podcast. What are you podcast nerds out there? Let me know what's happening. Yeah, update us. I mean, when Stern sees this, Stern usually releases games with incomplete code, and they will complete them after two, three years, whatever, after some sort of period. They can still do it that way, okay? They can still make free updates, but they can also see this. People want to pay $1,200 on top of the game. So they can always say three years from now, you have all this greatness on JAWS. But if you pay us $1,000, you will get another drop-down target you can install at the RAM entrance, and you will get new mode for that. All right. And they will, you know, micro money transfer. if you're talking about taking the fantastically complete game of jaws and then in three years coming back with like you know an upgraded mechanism and a ton of code update for it um i i mean that would be reasonable if you were gonna wait three years from now and then go to john wick owners and be like here's the rest of the code that we should have had in there give us a thousand bucks that's gonna suck no no so that's two different things man i'm saying new modes after a finished game yeah not finishing the game and require money this is two different things yeah like if you get like okay jaws 3d is coming out the whole game will be in 3d on the glass and there's like completely new modes and stuff and assets then yeah i can see that yeah yeah yeah a separate upper playfield Stern is seeing this They're sitting on the boardroom They're thinking about this Everybody's online Everybody can put their Visa cards on And micro Why not? I think a better example would be A game that has a really huge installed user base Like Star Wars or something And they came out with the Battle of Hoth edition Where all the battles take place Recreating like, you know, classic things like that with, you know, new sounds and call outs and things from like Empire Strikes Back or something. And they sold that as like an extra mode that you can pick from the start and play all play all these modes completely differently You differently Something like that would be exciting Also that one of the biggest selling games they have so there the most games out there It would make sense for something like that, maybe for something like a Jaws, where there's just like this is all like Jaws 3 mode or something and just all the assets from that. You love Star Wars. Let's just take a start. It's an old game. The code is complete on this game. It's an old game, but you love this game. So if Stern said, Donnie, pay us $40 and you can download this extra package where you can start as Boba Fett. Yeah. With Boba Fett's skill levels and go in and try some Boba Fett modes where we hit the light side of the force and you have six more new modes. Wouldn't you buy that? I mean, probably. I would. I would. Yeah. Yeah. I would. Yeah. So what I don't want to do is get a game that's incomplete and have to pay them for the completed code. If they get a game that's complete and then they want to make bonus content on top of it, then it's up to the market. And if you had a new exciting way for me to play my game that I already have, I'd probably be interested in that, yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. It's just an idea. I think they're talking about this. I mean, it's just money. It's just money. The way to do it for a game like Star Wars, I'm surprised. I'm shocked that they haven't done this already. But why haven't they come up with a new topper for Star Wars that's packed with new code that comes with it? Because that Star Wars topper is very desirable because it only made 500. They're never going to make any more. So come up with a Death Star topper and have like, you know, extra modes and sounds and movie clips or something that comes with it. I'm putting that out there because I can't believe they haven't done it already. You know, for my own personal Star Wars topper sales, it's not a great idea. But I'm shocked literally that they haven't done that. I'm shocked they're still selling this game. Still. I mean, it's from 2017, I think. Yeah. Still producing and selling them, man. People are buying them. You know, if the distributors are sitting there like, hey, I could sell another 25 of these games, and Stern is hearing this, they're like, you know what? We've got people that I think potentially would buy another 500, 600 games, renew that license, let's go and run it. I think that's how it works, how it happened. I can tell you on location, us collectors, most people don't care about the pro version, but I can tell you on location, the Star Wars Pro, it's a money earner like crazy. Like crazy, Donnie. It's a great earner. It's got the theme. People don't care about the pro version. Everybody knows that theme. Theme is so important. Absolutely. I mean, it's so important, man. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So it's time to talk about this Star Wars rumor. Okay. All right. So this was out of nowhere. This was unsolicited. It was coming from somebody that does have ties to the pinball industry. It wasn't just some random person. And I was engaged in a conversation, and I don't want to give the context or anything away, but just a really quick little quip came up about this rumored Star Wars title that's forthcoming from Stern. I guess John Borg is on this one. And we've been hearing all kinds of stuff. It's going to be an episode one or a prequel trilogy or whatever. It's going to have Jar Jar Binks in it. So just kind of out of nowhere, it was just like, oh, yeah, you know, that Star Wars game that's coming out later, that Darth Vader-themed one that they're doing? And I was like – I was like – I was playing it totally cool, but I was like, did my brain just hear that? Did my brain just hear that there's a Darth Vader pinball machine? Oh, come on. Keep that horn. Oh, dude. Dude. The frickin' Force, man. Can you imagine the dark side pinball machine? I mean, that'd be like, forget it, man. I had totally written off this game when it was rumored to be a Jar Jar prequel trilogy. Fucking sand is everywhere. Are you a space angel? Bullshit. If it's Darth Vader, pinball. Done. Done. Done. I'm sold. Done. Think about the back glass. Pinball brothers could make this game and I would buy it. With his hand up there. I mean, like, if you want to make the pinball machine based around Star Wars license, that will sell immediately. Immediately. Oh, my God. Freaking Vader. I'll buy the SLE. Rebel Scum. Yeah, forget it. Super Elite Edition. I'll buy it. Bring it. Bring it. Sparkle Powder. Yeah, Starfield Powder Coat, Lightspeed Multi-Balls. Like, yes. Yes. Start a new game? Yes. Build this game. You start a new game and you listen to Imperial Mars music. Rebel Scum, I've entered the sector. Good. Bring them to me. Like, oh, God. Oh, my God. Bring it, please. Afraid to call out. Storm Trooper call outs when you get the different missions. Can you imagine, like, loading balls into his personal Star Destroyer, or his TIE fighter, you know, and then, like, going out on a mission and blowing the hell out of people and, like, alternate engine and trench battle. impregnant padme mode come on man come on a superstar destroyer in the middle of the playfield you lock balls in there and he and his stuff with his own shuttle will move around the playfield and oh my god assemble the stormtroopers prepare my imperial shuttercraft yeah like dude build my lightsaber if you won't join the dark side then perhaps she will and then and then you can destroy the emperor at the end still because you're freaking darth vader man throw the old geezer in the pit i truly hope this is what's going on and it was so matter of fact you know it's kind of like you know corporate bullshit corporate bullshit carpet bullshit well you know that you know darth vader machine that's coming out later and then bullshit bullshit bullshit and i was like Did I just fucking hear that? Did I just hear that? What the heck just happened there? Oh, yeah, that's not a player game. Yeah, I can't even remember where I was. It was somewhere. I don't even know what day it was when it happened, but it was like, that is what's happening. Oh, my God. Did anyone else hear this? So this wasn't like someone came to me and they're like, hey, my cousin prints translights for Stern Pinball, and here's the next three games confirmed. It wasn't like that. So this may all be just complete bullshit or something else. But I just wanted to report what floated into my ear holes because, oh, my God. If that is actually real. I mean, forget about Harry Potter. Harry who? Harry Houdini. Harry Darth Vader? Oh, my God. I mean, it's almost as high up as Predator for me, man. I love Star Wars. Yeah. Sister. Yeah. Yeah. You're a rebel and a spy. Take her away. Like, ah, yes. Just more evil, man. The dark side. I hope so. I hope so. This is really, oh, my God. Just like the guy, just like about the Dune. Yeah. Wait, what about Dune? Dune, about the play field. How much is out there? I don't know. I don't know. All I heard was, like, you know, someone knows someone that's someone that they saw, like, a sketch, an image or something of a Dune play field. So, yeah, you know, and maybe there is a sketch or a concept of a Dune play field out there and it has not, you know, it hasn't been put into production. I don't know, but I think we're going to see Dune soon. I just like it out there, you know, I just like it's out there. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't mind a Dune game. You know, like when people know and you're like talking about rumors, talking about rumors and they're like, just look at you and they're like, it's Dune. It's Dune. It's done. It's Dune. Yeah. It's like, OK, well, all right. It seems pretty, pretty convinced. I don't want to be the asshole that doesn't know this. It's Dune. It's Dune. what the heck man donnie's mixing today whoa new information holy crap whoa what the hell maybe they'll be finesse flippers oh god okay okay next game on the line next game on the line what do we got um yeah we talked about merlin so you played the new merlin game from turner pinball yeah that had that extra flipper button so you can jump the ball over to the other flipper so before you talk about yeah yeah go ahead why doesn't have why does this game have this function is it a mode that requires something what is it no so why does it have it apparently Jon Norris who designed this game and then was with Deep Root or whatever, and then this game never get made. There was two things. Like, I think Chris promised him this game will be made someday, which is pretty heroic, so I like that. The other thing was this was a concept that he had that he just never got to use in a game and wanted to see it in a game. And so it was like, well, look, we're doing his game. He always wanted these flippers. Let's put these flippers in this game for no other reason than he always kind of wanted to do it, and this is his game. And so two birds, one stone, finesse flippers. is that the reason that that's what i was told oh my god donnie that's the worst reason man you should you should tell me it's a mode where when the ball is at the left flipper you have to push it over to the right flipper and make that one single ram shot and something interactive with the game i had some feedback ideas and to their credit they were like we're listening to that that sounds like a really good idea i think we'll see if we can do that so imagine if there was a mode where you had to like charge up your shot and if you finesse flippered back and forth like five times you'd be fully charged then that next shot would be worth like four times as much or something you know you charge up your shots and then do it you know that turn a pinball listens to feedback they just like they did yeah yeah so that and yeah i had a couple of other ideas of things you know to do and they're like yeah then i love turner pinball then i just love this company from now on absolutely that's how to do it man so listen to the people listen to feedback these guys are really good engineers man their cabinet quality is awesome i love how the things are routed i love what they did with the glass and the frame design so you can just take the glass pop it right off the whole play field set it down anywhere it won't break it's protected you have full access to everything, no glass channels to mess up with or anything. It clicks down very satisfyingly. I love that business. They need a little bit of help in making cool stuff because the game's fun. The presentation is fine. It doesn't have that cool factor. It doesn't have any spice to it. I said it was about as edgy as a dad in a sweater vest at a Walmart on a warm summer Sunday shopping for clearance items from wintertime. you know it's like it's so very safe and warm and comforting and like it's nine thousand dollars it's hot tea and an earthenware mug for nine thousand dollars and it needs like some it needs a punch man it needs a foil it needed to have like some mischievous imp in here who's like just trying to fuck shit up and like everything else in the arcade is like family friendly and then this asshole shows up and you have to beat his ass like there wasn't any of that so the game was fun all the shots felt really good the flippers are strong there was no rattle there's no jank anywhere the ramp is super fast comes right around it was satisfying you can rip it multiple times in a row you know you can dead you can dead flip to one flipper and then finesse flip back to the other one and like show off to your friends that you're juggling balls on the flippers and then like go back to playing like that was all fun like that's the gimmick of the game because there sure isn't like a main mechanism you know there's the foosball spinner uh you know the characters talk to each other that's probably going to get a little old if you can't skip it between balls um and that's the game and so like you know i don't know it's not really like in my jam i like something with a little bit of edge or punch to it you know you got to have like some kind of like fucking demo what you're saying this game is missing the double barrel shotgun yes right yes it's missing the headless naked zombie lady running around while you're ripping spinners It's missing like, well, my girlfriend's losing her head. Not that head, the other one. Just some innuendo in there. Looney Tunes was great, the cartoons, because it was a cartoon. The kids loved it just because of that. But there were adult jokes that were hidden in there way over the kids' heads. But there was something to appeal to a broad demographic of people. And I think with the engineering is there, the flippers feel good, the shots feel good. It needs just something to punch you right in the poontang just to give you a little bit of, oh, this is a little edgy and spicy. All right. Okay. I'm a bit sad to hear that. But when we say this, when you say this after, you know, hands-on experience, then I hope they will listen. So this game is designed when they had the – what was this company called? Deep Root, right? Deep Root, yeah, yeah. And Deep Root, they showed that they had like 15, 16 games, game names. I don't know if they were fully designed. I don't know. And that was the thing. There was like 15 things in various stages of development, some maybe towards the concept, other ones just completely vaporware. Did you ask Turner? Did you say to him, is your next game again root shit design or is it your own? Good question. It's almost barrel shotgun in it. He's not ready to disclose anything like that, but I filled him up with ideas because his platform is good. And I'm still trying to figure out. I'm not sure if he's a pinball company or if he is a technology company that's producing pinball machines as a way to showcase their technology. So he has his own board system? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, dude. You lift this play field up, and the whole bottom of the play field is two gigantic PCBs with incorporated circuits for LEDs, light boards, coil management, like all of it. Beautiful. So when two LED bulbs burn, what happens then? You could flip this play field over and lay a nude woman on there and eat sushi off of her. That's how clean it is. It's fantastic, man. You could take the dirtiest woman from the sewer, put her on this play field, and all of a sudden she's clean with how clean this is. It was amazing. You know, if a board goes – if a little driver board goes bad, it just pops out, sockets out, sockets right back in with a new one. No soldering, no connections, no wires. There's no mile of wires under this thing. It's all just PCBs. Okay. So it's – okay. So I'll share a picture. I'll share a picture. So this guy is an engineer, right? Yes, absolutely. Turner Logic was his company. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we can really see the ingenuity behind, you know, all the cable management and everything is just – It looks like the International Space Station under there, man. It's really remarkable. It's just not super fun to play because I don't think they have a true creative that's in there. That's just like the visionary, can't solder worth a crap, but has great ideas. He needs to work with a Python Anghelo. You get that guy with this guy's technology. Someone that just has ideas that are just out there and wants to make cool, fun stuff. you put that guy in there with this technology and you're there man you're there he needs to hire jack danger for two years yeah he needs he needs some some smooth talking silver tongue licensing person who is just you can go in there and just schmooze people and you know get pre-order money and just like come up with this cool concept marry it with his technology and then then you're really going to have something license is so i as i said on an earlier show something happened to me after I got old. Theme is so important for me. Back in 2021, when I saw Godzilla, I was like, I watched a Godzilla movie back in 1998. Come with me, da-da-da, with P. Diddy music. That's the only Godzilla I know, you know. That's the only Godzilla I know. And then this game came out, and I unboxed the first pro in the world, you know. I just unboxed it. I didn't care about the theme, and I started shooting this game. I was like, what the heck? And nobody unboxed it. So I couldn't share this with anyone. I was like, I was just filming. I should make the first review in the world. I was like, this game shoots crazy. Godzilla Pro. And back then, I didn't care about the theme. But right now, right now, the theme. I see Stern's latest game, Dungeons and Dragons. That game looks awesome. Yeah. Shotgun layout, awesome. also the music it fits the game everything is cool except the theme yeah i don't want to buy it i'm so sorry it doesn't click with me i want to collect items i want to beat up the gelatinous cubes there's a gelatinous cube in merlin's arcade by the way that's cool so yeah on top of the pop up yeah so gelatinous cubes are having a moment it looks amazing too man more cubes i love everything that that's on a spring just like on deadpool i love it yeah cool so there's some toys in there But really what this game is, it's one ramp, it's four pop bumpers, it's that cool foosball spinner, finesse flippers, and then a subway. The expensive version has a diverter that knocks balls into a subway to physically ball lock them. Otherwise, it's a virtual lock, but it's not like they're locking into the dragon's mouth or something. It's just kind of like the up post comes up and knocks balls off the wire form into a hole, and you don't really get to see it. So it's like, okay. I mean I get it's an extra little mechanism. It's an extra coil, but eh? Eh? Yeah. So I want to share – usually we don't talk about what we talk about on Patreon, but let's share a little bit of info here. All right. So people can see how cool it is on our Patreon show. Let's go, man. Yeah. So we talked about – they made 100 Ninja games, and now they made 500 of this new Merlin game. and then we talked about that turner was talking about making more ninja games yeah yeah so yeah what they want to do is uh have an arcade version is what they're calling it like a lower tier level uh regular powder coat um doesn't have the sculpts it just has plastics and uh you know it won't have that physical ball lock or whatever and so you know they're gonna do they'll do 500 of these legendary ones and then otherwise it'll be available as an unlimited version for seven thousand dollars for just what they're calling the arcade edition and right now he's talking to people that bought ninja clips and like you know what do you guys think about if we did this um you know like like their version of ninja clips would always have the the powder coat and whatever else i don't know how else it would be different but he's not committed to that yet but it's an idea he's floating and the idea that i floated to him is like what if you just stick with making a hundred good versions of your game or 150 good versions of your game that's all you're ever going to make of that version with the sculpts and everything and then you can always have an arcade version that way there's like a an urgency to order one of his games because you'll have one of the good versions and one of only 100 or 150 and he was like i wonder if i wonder if other people would like that too so he's like taking that under consideration um you know because yeah that that destroys the exclusivity for the guys that bought the first hundred which is why i'd like that he's asking them first before he just like turns and does this now he always said like you know well there'll only be 100 ninja eclipses of the first editions he always he always qualified it with first edition so i know this was like an idea in his head but it wasn't like explicitly clear you know um so yeah what what's his first name chris yeah chris chris turner it's a bad idea i mean these guys they people people they're like exclusive 100 i have one after 100 so don't do it you can you can you can always call buck and ask him but do you want to make more than those promised 750 rick and morty's he'll say hell no every time he feels it's a hell no absolutely we will never ever yeah yeah yeah but yeah he says that because he will i mean he's spooky thinking about their buyers and you know exclusivity 750 that's it but But money-wise, could Buck sell 500 more of them? Absolutely. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. Absolutely. But he's not building more. Years back, Jersey Jack, he said privately, he really hated that he limited the Pirates' CE to 200 only. That was the worst decision he did. This was a private talk, you know. And I understand him. And he didn't make more of the collector's decisions. So this game, only 100, keep it that way, jump over to the next project. Now, from 100 games, they jumped over to 500 limited editions. That's a huge jump. Plus unlimited arcade versions. This is risky. Yeah. Yeah. If I owned one, I wouldn't feel like I really had something that exclusive. And then if I start seeing legendary versions for $6,500, I'm like, oh, well, that sucks. Yeah, exactly. If my English was better, I would have said just like you did. But it's very hard to me talking English. But can we see in any way on their web shop or did you ask him how many of these games did you sell already? Do we have some numbers? He told me more than I would have thought is what he told me. He wouldn't give me an actual number because I asked him exactly that. Yeah. Because this game was revealed slightly before TPF, so the order banks were already open when the show started. Yeah, yeah, but when people were at the show, just like with Evil Dead, they tried this game. Did the sales explode? I want to know. What's going on? Let's get him on the show, man. We can ask him ourselves. Chris, you're welcome. Can you imagine Chris Turner on We Are Pinball? Hey, Chris, come on the walk. look at the list how many people we're gonna have on the show donnie all right we'll get them as soon as i as soon as i'm in one spot for like more than 10 minutes we can make it happen let's just call him right now chris let's talk real quick what's going on so i'll reach out to chris again here in a little bit once he gets back home from the show just kind of update on production see how he's going um i want him to stick around because i love the technology in his cabinets and the game was fun to shoot it's just um you know for 500 are available the market being how it is we're on the eve of harry potter you know it's just i i need more information yeah okay next game we're gonna talk about is not harry potter it's a game i want to ask you if you bought it it's portal i'm gonna go to the bathroom for 20 minutes just talk amongst yourself look this morning i listened to your don's pinball podcast show i was driving when I was listening, and I didn't get – again, my English stinks. I didn't get everything. So please explain. Yeah. Do we have some sort of beef with P3 Multimorphic? Do we have something bad, something going on, or did I just misunderstand it? There's no – They shut the game off or something. What was it? So I've been going to Texas Pinball Festival for four years now. I love pinball. I want to play it all, right? Since I first played Godzilla in Russia, that first TPF I went to. And so like Multimorphic, I've got a virtual cabinet at home. So the idea of having like a virtual pinball machine that I could swap real playfields in was phenomenal to me. So every chance I've got, I went around until I could finally play all of their games. And I just – I want to be part of it, but like there's always something that keeps me from going into it. When I saw them reveal Weird Al, I love Weird Al. like like when i was 13 years old before i discovered women like weird al was like was my bottom bitch man me and i whenever i had 20 i bought one of his cds until i finally had them all and i was just like a little teenager listening to all this weird al stuff loved it dr demento back in the day the whole business i'm into the deep lore i had uhf on vhs tape and i wore that shit out like i love me some weird al and the game came out and i was like all right well thirteen thousand dollars freaking let's do it man it's weird al yankovic you know and then i played it and it was like yeah the graphics are kind of cringy you know um i'm not seeing like didn't like the flippers i'm not seeing the weird al that i know you know you know it's like every now and then like a song would start but like that was it i couldn't just you know pick an album and just play a pinball machine it was like i had to play a little mode i'd hear the sound clip to the song and then when the mode was over amish paradise would stop but it's like i was grooving on it man you know so it wasn't really like a music pin it was more like a weird al yankovic theme night at the museum is how it played everything was of course in the back the flippers were on different buttons it always felt a little weird it was clunky they're cantilevered um so it was just like strange and then they come out with like another great theme uh with uh princess bride i love that movie been watching it with the family since childhood we can quote the entire thing and i'm like all right man you need this they're gonna get me they're gonna get me into this and then i played it and i'm like yeah it's it's just you push the launch button the ball dribbles out of the back like a like a leaky prostate and i'm like i want to plunge a ball and start a pinball machine i want to go on a damn adventure i want to bash some russ i don want this like you know they wesleyan buttercup are playing around flicking pinballs with their nails And I like ah dude I can see myself getting on to this I played Final Resistance and it awesome And then finally I'm like I just want these games in a regular cabinet because I love how they're designed. I just want like an actual plunger rod and a flipper and like not all this complicated bullshit. So that brings us to Portal, which I think is like the greatest theme that they've done so far. And they've done some that I've liked. and uh you know every year i would go by there the booth you know as a young fledgling pinball enthusiast and it was always seemed like they were kind of a click onto their own and they they didn't really want to be too like like i was almost wasting their time by asking them questions was how i felt you know so i was like all right well i'll just leave then you know um you know and i keep trying you know i keep revisiting up there i really wanted one of their portal t-shirts they had these blue t-shirts with the portal logo that brad Brad Albright designed and it looks like the topper looked really cool i love portal anyway and so i went up to one of the guys sitting at the booth and they had two t-shirts out there they just said p3 on them and and it had a little handwritten sign that said 30 and i'm like hey man what's up do you guys have t-shirts like those are awesome and they're like just kind of like look down from his phone for a second tapped on the sign saying 30 and like went back to his phone and i'm like what is going on man like i i'm coming into you already excited um mainly because i i love the game i love pinball that's why i'm here now you need to grab the insane and say here's what we have come into our world man pose for pictures here's the backdrop hold some props let me show you how to put this thing in and out and it was like none of that it was like i was i was annoying him by asking him questions and it's like i'm sorry you're sitting at the booth that says you're selling t-shirts and have a question about t-shirts and i'm wasting your time i'm sorry fuck me right you're like that's how it felt So I go back there the next day with my friend Brad, and we're like, all right, the show – we just got on the show floor. There's no line yet. They're still setting up the games. All the P3s are ready. People are playing them. One of the three portals is up, and a girl is playing it, and I'm like, oh, cool. We'll wait until she's done, and then we'll get to play this game before the lines get crazy, right? And so there was one of the workers was there in a blue T-shirt with portal on it, right? It didn't have a name tag or anything. But, you know, he sees us standing there waiting to get on this game. And then, like, you know, girls done, celebrate, you know, high score, good job. We walk up to it, and the guy just reaches over, shuts it off, and walks away. What? We're like – What? Wait, what? Yeah, he just, like, shut the game off as we're walking up there. What did he say? I'm reaching for the start button, and the dude just, like, turned off. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, who did I piss off? What happened, you know? Did he say something? Yeah, he was wearing like a face mask, so it was hard to hear what he said. He had like a long ponytail, and he's just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, what? Do you still walk with that coronavirus mask in the U.S.? So like lately, if you're wearing a mask, it usually means you're like anti-vaccine and you're trying to make a statement or something. Whatever. You wear a mask if you want to wear a mask. But like I really couldn't understand what he was saying, and it wasn't even like the right type of mask either, and it wasn't really fitted to him well. Like you would just need a contact droplet mask, but whatever. Wear a mask if you want. It makes you feel comfortable. Maybe you're autistic. That's your stim. That's fine. It's okay. But like, I couldn't understand what he was saying. So I asked him again, like, you know, are these available? And he said something like, well, I'm not sure if they're supposed to be up yet. Or, and I'm like, well, go find out. Let me play it. Or, or, or tell me, you know, Hey, give us 20 minutes. We got to do a code update and then there'll be backup, man. You know, just ask for me. I'm Tim or something. But it was like, none of that. And like, he didn't even say anything until I pressed him. And I'm like, dude, what's going on, right? And, yeah, and, like, he saw us standing there the whole time this girl was playing this game. He's lucky I wasn't there. And I'm like, and it would have been fine if he said, hey, guys, just so you know, you know, we got to shut down real quick. And these will be up in a little bit, you know. You're welcome to watch, but we're not quite ready yet. Like, you know, like a fucking human would. But, no, just without saying nothing, just, like, shuts us off. And it's like, all right, go fuck yourself, guys, is how it felt. I'm like, I thought it was at a damn trade show, man. Where? Come on. Can I just talk? Pinball trade shows. I go to IAPA. I go to a lot of trade shows. You walk up. There's booth babes. There's a dancing Asian man. He's got hidden sparklers in his hands. They're handing out samples of their product. Come in here. Hey, sugar. How can I show you what this does? Want me to take the top off for you so you can see the inner workings? Like, you know, it's like, oh, man, I feel like I'm welcome here. And this was like just very much. We brought 10 machines. OK. And here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. Sit down for a second. There's three machines that are playing Portal, right? There's ten other multi-morphic machines with Drained and Cannon Lagoon and Lexi Lightspeed and Princess Bride and everything else. And there's a huge line for the three portals. And there's no lines for any of the other games. Some of them don't even have anybody on them playing. And it's like, can you just throw a portal module into that other game that nobody's playing so we can move this line along and more people can play this game and have a better experience? Like, what the fuck am I missing here? Oh, my God. So I don't have beef specifically, but I keep trying to get hype about this product. And, you know, I go and play it. I go on location if I know there's a location that has one of these things. I've been to Ace Goge and Van Nuys. I went to the mall in Madison, Wisconsin. They have one on display too. The Pinball Palace, I think it is, or Pinball Lounge here in Florida. I've driven all the way out there just so I could go play Final Resistance. Like I'm trying to play these games and get a good experience and try to figure out like if it's right for me. But every single time I try to like have some fun with it, especially at the show, it's like someone's there to kick me in the dick. And I don't understand why I didn't do anything to these people. You know, I'm not something negative about them on your show. No. And it's like, you know, you don't have to like I'm not saying invite me to your factory, buy me lunch or something, but just like I just want to play the games, man. Of course, and you love the theme that they're choosing every time almost. Maybe I care too much, and that's the problem. Maybe I've built up standards in my head that I wish they could meet, and they're just not interested in doing that, and so there's this kind of conflict. Donnie, usually when companies seize a media guy, didn't you have something that said Don something media on you? Yeah, I've got my logo on a damn t-shirt, man. I've got – come on. Usually when I talk with these companies, they're very friendly because they don't want shit by media and I understand that. But what is this? I don't need any special treatment. I'll pay you $30. Usually. Usually they're more friendly. I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah. But this – so later, did you play – on our Patreon show, you were very excited about Portal. I was very excited about Portal. I love the theme. Yeah. So did you have real hands-on experience? Yes. Finally. So I played it five times. One of them I got pretty far. I finished a couple of modes. I did the physical ball lock a couple of times. I think I got two different multi-balls. Like I explored the play field. I did the light bridge shot. Like everything I've been hearing about, I did it. And while it was fun, you know, I was like – I kind of got to a point where it was like, so is that it? Did I do everything? Is there anything else to do in here? You know, they have that shot right up the middle and there's this little jump ramp that flaps up and it's supposed to throw balls against the back panel into that Iron Maiden shot. And then they lock physically there. Yeah. About half the time the balls bounce right off that wall and go into this like lower play field into Doom, into the cabinet somewhere. It'll award you your lock. But like the ball disappears and then just comes like out somewhere again. And what I didn't get was like I was expecting Portal to be full of portals, right? Because that's – it's Portal. And so I thought there'd be all these cool little trick shots where, like, you shoot the ball in here and it comes out over here. Like, balls staged all over the place. Yeah, transport. Near a second figure, there is exactly one portal, and it's up on the upper play field where that cube is. And it's not even a fully sculpted cube either. It's metal with decals on it. Fine. You know, but you have to hit it with the upper flipper to knock it halfway into a portal, and that makes it appear in the other area, and that's the physical ball lock. But other than that, that was, like, the only actual portal I could see to shoot into. And like this is portal, man. Like why is there only one portal? And then the whole time I'm thinking, you know, this game is $6,250 if you already have the cabinet so you can get the topper and like the full play field effect. And I'm like – How much did you say? $6,250. But wasn't it $3,900? It's $3,900 if you want just the back third module. If you want the full version with the extra ramps, the kickback, that ramp that goes up and down on the mid-play field. That's the cool ramp. So that up-down ramp doesn't come with the normal set? No. So it's $5,500 if you want the full game. But you said $6,000. So if you want the topper too, it's $750 for the plastic topper. So if you want to get the full game, that's what you're spending. So this one module costs as a stream pro. Yeah. So this one module costs as a Godzilla Pro. So the deal is, you know, when they built this game, they built it with, like, the full version, the extra ramps and spinners and stuff, which is fine. But then they were like, this is expensive. It's got to be $5,500. People are going to be upset. So let's make a trimmed-down version that's still under $4,000, but it's, like, $3,700 or something, which is still kind of expensive. So basically, yeah, you go buy yourself a Stern Pro. Go get somebody's Iron Maiden or Deadpool. um for the same price as just a module for this let alone the the 5 000 pound cabinet that you need they just destroyed the whole idea by buying this module for how much 7 000 for the mod how much does the base system cost now uh well on the secondary market like five grand but it's if you buy a brand new with uh with mystery princess or what is what what does it call With one game. How much does it cost? $11,000 to $13,000, depending if you want the topper or not, and the swords on the side. So $13,000, then you have the base with one game, and then you have to pay over $6,000 for this new game? It would be $5,500 if you want to play it with your Princess Bride topper on there, if you want to get the other topper, too. Yeah, so that's... And then what do you do with the Princess Bride when you play the... You got to go put it on the sofa bed in the other room. I don't know. sir you're asking good questions so you can just put it on the ground or because it has got coils and stuff you would think they would have you think they'd come up with a first party cabinet you could set there and then like you know put your games in or something and it'd be branded but again it's not um i'm sure they've thought of it and they just don't want to or something i don't know i don't know man i just try to play pinballs and i just get frustrated because i i just i'm disappointed is the is the problem you know i'm sorry to hear that because the theme is important for you yeah so this extra jump up up and down ramp that was on on top of the screen how was it was it cool to shoot did it work tell us about it it was okay extra 2000 well oh so um so that part comes with the regular module the extra 1500 or something gives you the other plexiglass upper playfield and honestly the the up down ramp is kind of janky because there's nothing to fix it to it kind of gets in the way it was a little bit frustrating it was fun having an actual spinner and i like that you had some extra ball pass up there but i don't know it's just in the way yeah it raises and lowers the left lower ramp comes up and down but remember it's sitting on a screen so there's nothing to to screw it into the playfield so it janks around you know and then it's motorized so it'll lift out of the way so you can shoot shots behind it um you know but it just yeah balls kept getting stuck behind it it would have to do a ball search lift up release it i don't know man i'm sure there's more in it than what i just saw in my five games that i had on it um i wish they would have had you know if there was a line you know fire up more portals and get people moving like so people can actually have like multiple times i don't know dear listener I wish you could see Donnie's face expression right now. Really? I mean, because he was very, very excited about the theme. So, Donnie, you didn't buy this game? Yeah, and I don't think a lot of people are going to buy it. I think if you already have a P3, probably you will, because this is the only game that's coming out this year for it. So if you don't like this new release, you've got another year until there's something new to play for it, because nobody else is making third-party games for it. What are people saying about the double up of the price of these modules? I haven't really heard from a lot of folks yet. I know a couple people that own P3s and they've already ordered it because, yeah, they have large collections and not everything is hanging just on the price. The games are fun to play. And if you already have the machine, you're kind of obligated to buy their new game because otherwise there's just not a new game for another year that's going to come out. obligated or trying to sell the system very cheap as people try to sell to you yeah on the show multiple times a guy came up and he's like trade me anything i've got a heist i gotta get rid of it please like can we get a deal what do you trade me something what do you have to trade you know you have that godly game my wife likes it and she wants me to restore it so i can't Monica! Call out! Call out! Shout out to Monica! She's so sweet! Yeah, and Matt already has dibs on that because they've been eyeballing it for a while. They love games from that era. So, yeah, I was like, I don't know. I got a virtual machine. But I don't know. My virtual machine actually has 1,400 other games in it already. And it's got Big Bang Bar in it. I can play strip Joker poker. Like, there's fun stuff in there, including there's a Portal game in there already. It's not this game, but it is a game with actual Portals. we need to be fair portal is only two-third virtual pinball it's one-third real pinball i wanted it's one-third bad but no i'm just gonna so all right embrace the virtual pinball they have a huge pinball screen there why isn't there a mode where there's a virtual lower play field you play down there you know like you've already got the screen there you know embrace it like give us a virtual game to play down there while we're playing the regular one but i haven't seen that yet and so it's kind of like yeah they got the virtual part but they're really not utilizing it and i don't and it's because they don't want to they don't give a crap what i think they're gonna do what they do and uh you know they only have one distributor and i think there's a reason for it the only distributor they have is not a pinball guy he's a guy that sells rvs and caravans and storage sheds and he also sells p3 cabinets and and there's i don't know the reason but there's got to be some reason why there's not you know tons of distributors you know well you know why isn't pinball star and mad pinball and everybody else trying to sell me these things like they're not i want to well i can tell you about the european situation sure i never i've never seen this p3 system nowhere no distros no nothing so the only thing personally personally the only thing i'm so happy about and i'm gonna poke on you right now but i'm so happy that a pinball system that i cannot buy here in europe that they choose this kind of theme portal who cares who cares who cares drain who cares oh drain with the wind who cares they should all these themes they should just keep on doing them just makes me so and and what the you want that christmas and stinky christmas move what is it beetlejuice oh yeah i want p3 to make beetlejuice oh no don't put that on me come on man goonies is coming to the p3 all right i did every i have another juicy rumor for you and this broke my heart that they said that gremlins was going to be a p3 game and oh please no please don't i i actually watched gremlins one because of your love for gremlins yeah you made me watch jaws and i like jaws movie now you made me watch a gremlin that day i sent you the screenshot right so uh i remember this movie from 84 i actually liked grim yeah when i was a little kid it was so sweet but then i was like something is wrong they're in a mall there's so many more gremlins and then that's the second one oh it's true was awesome man with rainbow gremlins all these melamine road like grim yeah so like imagine playing a pinball machine there's just like psychotic gremlins everywhere doing gremlin shit you know popcorn bucking on their head one dressed up like a woman like just creating havoc and like changing ball paths and like oh yeah like like imagine if you're locking balls for a multiball and then all of a sudden the gremlin pops up and knocks your balls out of there and is like fuck you lock them again assholes will be green and shaped like a gremlin and you know you know attack from mars when those four mars martians yeah yeah yeah they could have that on cause and springs and have grim is all over the place oh my god yeah so yeah i i was like for a long time i was like donnie grim is what i'm talking about but yeah i could definitely see it now if anybody says i'm not an influencer here you go right here i made a i made a danish man watched american movies from the 80s that he hasn't seen yet so there you go i mean i have watched all the american movies i'm from the 80s and 90s i'm a 90s kid man so donnie while we're doing this i'm i'm getting messages i'm gonna include this give me two minutes about this okay so perfect patreon we have all these great patron supporters we just thank and our you know collector's edition charles fourstorm josh cox giving us 150 bucks every month we're so thankful right and 50 supporters all of that i also had i also have a youtube channel called RETROCENGO and i have patreon in there also and then after we did this patreon yeah we are pinball patreon the first name i was like i remember this name and i was like nolan jeremy i was what's going on i i i know these names and then i found out about a guy like nolan that i love he's into fast fast cars he gives me patron support on my RETROCENGO youtube channel and then he also is a patron member pro level member on our web channel i was like this is yeah but it was it's just too much and then it happened again and again so i was like this is this is i'm thank i really appreciate getting support both places but i'm gonna say it official here i shut down my retro jango patreon it's it's done now i'm getting messages right now it shut down 10 minutes before we started this show i'm getting messages guys i will only have we are pinball now and i wrote it in there and people are writing if we support you we will support the other guy also heck yeah you will but Donnie is my brother from another mother. It's perfectly fine. And we're not taking this money and using it. We have this money in a box, and we're buying better microphones, better equipment. Donnie wants me to buy another mixer now, and we're going to, you know, new artwork, new T-shirts, new... So when you support us, we're trying to make this show better, whatever we can. Because on this show, you guys are writing to us. It's so cool because it doesn't feel like it's scripted. It feels like two friends that are just talking about pinball. And you're very different. And that's so cool. And we are different. One guy is from Europe. The other guy is from the U.S. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just an international show. And we have one leg in Australia with Enzo, friend of the show, right? Enzo! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we have got Italiano. We have got Retro Rev on the show. Retro Rev! Yeah, Kale Hernandez. Hernandez! Kale! Buy me a portal! Portal! Does Kale have a P3 on their location? We are Pinball, sponsored by Portal! you know that i just got the message he's gonna he's gonna flip on you man so yeah two seconds so my patreon is shut down if you want to support this comment and support i will i will make a video on my youtube channel also and say that thank you for all the support you have given me but we will have everything one place and we are we are active in we are pinball patreon we're writing pictures everything and making we're uploading shows and donnie he made a show while i was sleeping he had so much in him so he made a show like 40 minute show he was like on paper guys this guy has got his this is so fun there's a large robot too what does a large robot sound like I'm going to have so much fun with these extra buttons here, man. You got to get one of these. We're going to buy it with the Patreon money. Buddy, you know, when we talk about the phone, we should just record that and just upload it. Absolutely. Do we have Dobb Waiter in there? Hello, my name is Satan. I personally design portal to cause misery and despair in the pinball world. Give me your money, motherfucker. Oh, Satan, please. Hang on. Gee, we went dark there for a second. I need that mixer to have Arnold's voice. Come on. Come on. All right. I'm going to go look for one of those next. Jesus, this thing is – I never flipped over to the other page. That was crazy. Oh, we need this. We need this. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So while all this craziness is going on, right, everything, all the games are coming out, it's cool, blah, blah, blah, all this new stuff, something that happened last year like all these games were coming out and x-men came out and on top of everything the worst possible time to release a game they released the jjp game right on top of everything and it was just chaos oh yeah so this year this year we have got all these game releases and all of a sudden all of a sudden mr lovely lovely jack gunari we love jack right he was in a seminar and it yeah george jack cab over there beautiful stuff he was in the seminar and he was like yeah our next game is um harry potter i was so insane like i'm just i'm sitting around i'm just playing some bullshit game or something and someone's like, oh, yeah, hey, Jersey Jack just announced Harry Potter. I'm like, what the fuck? What the heck? What? Shut up. What are you, like, right on the website? Like, what do you mean? No, he's like, no, no, right now in the seminar hall. And I run over to the seminar hall, and I walk in. Where's the video? No, and by the time I got there, all they were talking about was Portal, like, legitimately. So the Portal seminar followed the Jersey Jack. And, like, I think there was only, like, three people in the Jersey Jack seminar because, like, did you see the video? It was like, our next game is Harry Potter. And the guy's like, yeah. It was, like, one guy. like what what and on top of that i would not spend a dime before we get this game and and on the other side of the room people are just buying evil dead yeah yeah i will buy this i will what this show i will buy 25 of those don't spend another dime until you see our game and then the next thing you know hey evil they just sold out and you can see on all the videos all the pictures spooky luke he's just laughing don't spend the time well you literally can't spend a dime on evil dead now because they're all gone oh my god 21 guy was clapping and i love jersey jack why why god why this should have been like this here this should have been like uh ladies and gentlemen get over to the seminar lounge now for a very special keynote address by jack when ari and bring your wizard brooms like this should have we that's what we should have heard right and then we all would have crammed in there and it would have been like all right what's he gonna say what's gonna say and then like he comes out like a wizard robe and He's like, expecto, money deposit, and then boom, Harry Potter, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, you know. It would have been this whole thing. And then he should say give us good pull now Cary Hardy would have pulled the pistols out of his pocket shooting in the air Yeehaw As one does But yeah no we got one guy One guy. It was like the audio video guy in the back of the room. It was just like live streaming it. Seriously, I'm so sad about this. No. What happened? Now, everybody knew about this, but look at this official release, man. And what did we get? Because all I have are more questions now. How much? When did we see it? When is it getting made? How many versions? How many versions do I accept a sacrifice to get money to put down a deposit for this thing? And there's no other information. It's not even the announcement of an announcement. It's not like in two weeks. We're distros. We don't even have no information. This came out like this. Yeah, but that's not new. Distros never hear anything until it's like dropped in your face. Donnie, this is just – what did this help? Did anyone, did 1% say, okay, we will not buy any new games because Harry Potter just – everybody knew about Harry Potter. What? So what did this help? Just answer me that. What did this help? It helped as much as those mini flippers on that Merlin game. I was literally walking over to put down my deposit on Portal when I heard this, and then I'm like, oh, wait. Let me just hang on. That was a close one. So close. I was right there, man. No matter how far. The janky ramp put me over the top. I want to buy your Portal. That's how I feel, man. I'm going to trade half my games to get myself a Portal. I'm going to get two. yeah yeah oh my goodness yeah so uh i wanted to like it so much and it was like you know it's like someone just running up and just putting their hand in your face and just going yeah get out of here it's like ah but guys i want to play it i want to put the balls in the portals i want to fight yeah i downloaded portal again just before the show when i was playing through the game just because i'm like yes it's portal man i want to i'm i'm gonna go back and finish playing portal i've never played portal 2 i got that downloaded next i'm gonna go play it like i wanted a portal t-shirt i want to do a portal unboxing i want to i want to dress up as a turret like i want to oh i was literally 3d printing a companion cube to bring with me um and then it was it wasn't going to be done by the time my flight is so sitting at home on my 3d printer is my companion cube that i printed because i was going to do like a whole bunch of portal stuff when i got there and it's like and they turned off the game for you it shut the game off donnie He changed to this show. He's the only guy in the world in 2025 that plays Portal, and they released his theme. Way to go. And they could have sold you. If they smiled and gave you amazing servers, you would have bought this game. I know you, Donnie. If they would have done the bare minimum, I probably would have. I can't even get him to sell me a T-shirt. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like the guy just looked over at his phone like, they're right here. Okay. I'm like, all right, cool talk. Leave Portal alone. Okay, leave Portal alone. We're going to talk about Jersey Jack now. So I love JJP. Me too. But my bro, he's a JJP nutcase. Okay, Jay, I love you, buddy. He's a JJP nutcase. I will not have a Harry Potter in my house. I like the music of the first movie. I like it. But all the... It doesn't work. It doesn't work for me. On that... Petronium. Everything is massive. It's massive. It's brilliant. Brilliant, Harry. It's brilliant. it oh those are wizarding whiz bangs harry so it doesn't work it doesn't work for me i want german ingenuity so but my bro he's like we're gonna have this game on all our locations because and he's right oh yeah this is you think toy story 4 earned some money yeah at best oh my goodness all the kids will put in some money so heck yeah he is waiting for this he he's yeah already now we have some thousands on our facebook group he has already said yeah put your name on the list it's out now he is already now selling these games right let's go but yeah let's go but just we just also need the support from jjp come with the great video have the games in boxes, ready to launch, and then do a great launch. Not like this. Are we adjusting those buttons again? Expecto Patronum. No, I'm doing some ASMR. Expecto Patronum. No, so I'm just visioning in my head. Like I've got a Disney theme park pinball machine now. I've got Avatar. And there's a whole Avatar land over at Animal Kingdom. I was there yesterday. Love it. So now I'm going to have a universal theme park pin in Harry Potter in my house too. and i'm just like so excited i i just i can't wait for it my little uh my little pinball nipples are fully erect here so i can't wait enjoying your brand brand new avatar ce i am and i don't care hate all you want dude i'm having so much fun with it i told you it's a good game yeah it's it's a good game it's it's fun to shoot it's it's a i yeah people doesn't get it done you know yeah you can go buy two stern pros for the same price i understand go ahead and do that if you want this is what i'm having fun with oh don't get me wrong i don't support the price no you know i'm i'm Win Schilling i'm Win Schilling spooky because spooky is selling for under 10k what did i do what did i say all 2024 no game should cost more more than 10 under 10 under 10 you know what's cool was uh was uh seeing Steve Ritchie come over and play evil dead and then walk away and say that was the best motherfucking game i've ever played like and and you guys should be charging way more for this i was like oh i was he said that while the jersey jack announcement was going on so i missed the jersey jack announcement because i got to witness that conversation so that was the best game i have played he may not have said those exact words but it was very enthusiastic he liked like the mechanisms in there i think it was the shotguns like the best fucking thing i've seen in pinball or something i mean i love steve richard oh god yeah he's a legend in my eyes i He's like, how much are you selling this for? Have you seen his big wristwatches? Yes, dude. Bigger than my head. Like, boom. I need it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to go find the AliExpress version of his watch because, like, it was so massive, dude. Yes. I love that guy. I love him. I love him. Wow. I mean, they should – Spooky Team Square should have recorded that. Yeah. Oh, he, he, he just shared something on their page with a family guy and some comedy stuff. Yeah. Oh, really? And I was like, and I, and I wrote there, guys, you should totally do a family guy pinball machine. You know what I mean? I would buy that in an instant. I almost brought this up earlier. What about, you know, like a family guy did Star Wars, like they did the family guy Star Wars cartoons. Oh yeah. Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah, can you imagine if there was a Family Guy Star Wars pinball machine? Oh, my. Carlos Spicy Wiener here. Go ahead. Dude, they could make this game, and six months later, they could say, Cengiz, we will charge you 500 bucks more to have the Star Wars episode mode. Yeah. And I would buy it. Yeah, absolutely. Megatron. Your clairvoyance hasn't given you foresight enough to make a profit on that condo in Glendale. That condo is right near downtown, 20 minutes to the beach, 20 minutes to downtown. There's nothing to do downtown. Lord Vader, your insight and knowledge on the Los Angeles housing market is not going to give us something. Oh, my God. This is a funny scene with Stewie as Darth Vader talking about, like, fucking apartments in Glendale. I love it. I would just start the game as Quagmire. Giggity, giggity. Just pop up with a giggity, giggity. I love that Meg was the space worm inside the asteroid. And then wouldn't she also like the monster in the garbage compactor? She like popped up. Also the old guy that always wants to have some fun with Chris. Oh, Chris. I love when they're leaving the trash compactor and there's that couch in there. And they're like, you know what? We're taking this with us. I want a mode where you're like trying to, before the trash compactor kills you, you're trying to get the couch out into the Millennium Falcon. Fucking hell Maybe P3 Multimorphic will make that No no no I want Spooky to make that That joke when he's Naming his daughter Meg Megatron Megatron Like her name is short for Megatron That just cracks me up man Oh Chris Chris Get your fat ass back here I forgot to see my soup. I can't do that whistle, but dude. You didn't even use the mixer for that voice. Get your fat ass back here. Oh, we got a new paper board, Jesse. Chris Turner, we need some mountains on your games. Chris, we need more mechanisms, Chris. Oh, my God. Donnie, this turned out to be our phone call talk, man. This is the best show ever. All right, this is – okay, so for those of you that aren't Patreon members, this is kind of how it goes on the Patreon after show. Forget the script. I mean, after Doc 2.0, Donnie starts with – some of the shows start with Donnie's – he's a dick. Does that sound like my brand? Did we talk – Oh, my God. Have we covered all the – Over here he's from Robert Englunds. Oh, petroleum. Petroleum. Petroleum jelly. What is this, a ditty party? It's brilliant. The game is brilliant. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, Shetty. You've lost the plot. You're a right git. I played the Pulp Fiction Topper 2. I think that's all the pinball news I have. You played the Pulp Fiction Topper? Yeah. I did. I played with it. Oh, you saw my modification I had for Venom, right? Oh, heck yeah, the balls? Yeah. It's so popular on Patreon. Everybody wants it. And, you know, our Collector's Edition supporters. Okay, Donnie just walked away. He just walked away. Oh, are you getting the balls now? Donnie, you need to send these balls to our Collector's Edition. John Cox, he wants to wear those balls on his neck. All right, well, I can't find it. Somewhere in the Texas Pinball Festival. You lose your balls! They're somewhere. I got the Mimic. I got my Mimic chest. But you put the balls on a game at TPF. You lost it there, man. I made some Venom truck nuts, and they're attached to a Venom machine somewhere probably, allegedly, in Minecraft. Oh, my God. That's the Dungeons & Dragons. Yeah, the Mimic, yeah. Super cool. So how was the line for Dungeons & Dragons? Well, they had 27 Dungeons & Dragons, so there was only like one team at each one. So you only had to wait like one game to get on pretty much any of the sterns. They only had one Venom tricked out with the new, all the new accessories, the topper and everything. It was fun, man. Actually, we had a really good game. I played with the Triple Drain guys on Venom. I beat them all. So it happened every now and then. We had a great game on Venom. And Venom's actually matured into an okay pinball machine for a very good price. I think, you know. Which version was it? It's a premium. So it's pretty, yeah, of course. Of course. Venom Pro is not a game. Forget that. I only have the Pro, so yeah, that's my experience. Get yourself a premium, dude. It's a fun game and they're cheap. The Pro is not making money on location. Yeah, the Pro sucks, man. It doesn't have anything in it. You've got to play the good version. It still makes more money than Batman 60 sucks. Oh, snap. You'll never convince a fan that that game is not great, but it's not. I'm sorry. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, that was Dungeons & Dragons. You got the LE and you're still enjoying it? I got an LE. I got a premium. Yeah. I got two of them. Yeah. Yeah. So the next game, Kong is on the way? Kong is on the way. Are you excited? It's pre-ordered. It's paid for. I've got custom armor coming for it. I've got accessories coming for it. I'm going to start with mods. I already have a shooter rod idea in my brain that's going to kick ass. And so I just need to know what the game looks like, what it is, make sure it's actually Kong. Well, here in Copenhagen, we have one of the location is just high-level competition players location. So, yeah, we're going to put a Kong in there. All the Elvin games, they just need it. I need it, precious. I need it. So that's going to happen. we're gonna fly it home and i'm gonna unbox before you donnie probably probably my unboxing videos i'm gonna share it here on we are pinball patreon perfect i love it yeah the videos will be shared here so yeah everybody will see it first so yeah why not i love it i love it yeah so kong is coming harry potter's coming uh predator is coming although i'm not excited for it uh what's the one other game i'm so no no no barrels predator predator yeah i'm so excited about that donnie why why are they excited because because i just played abba again and it was dog shit and i'm just thinking they're gonna make predator and it's gonna like alien alien was okay for the first game they made but it wasn't their design and every game has come after alien has been worse queen and then Abba. It's just not good. How bad is Abba? From 1 to 10? I have never seen it. If a dead average game is a 5, Abba is below average. It's 4.6. What would an average game be? Venom Pro is an average game. There's not much really in it. It's not great, not terrible. No, Venom Pro is pretty terrible. um i don't know it's just it's not good um you shoot the gobble hole you put the balls in there and helicopters they come out and then that's kind of all there is to do in the game other than just trying to make the ramps and things um you know it's it's not total dog butt because you know it doesn't have a magnet in the back on that ramp and another way to have the ball go down the hole like a toilet um but it's just nothing really there and the the flippers weren't flipping good and that was the same distributor i had uh last year that had a queen that was just horrible um had an abba that was playing not good either so they also had a blues brothers over there and he tried to charge me five thousand dollars for it so get fucked which game is better abba or portal oh fuck which game would you buy if you had 13 000 portal or abba i mean portal because there's there's i could put final resistance in it at least no but but i said if if uh predator comes out and it's like it's like abba or queen i'm sad man i'm sad i sent them a mail i said include me on this they haven't they need to have yes but i gotta i got a pretty angry message back like who told you about this game what they should be saying is thank you for offering to help us would you like to come over here and give us some like tips before we finalize this thing and i said i will i will you know me my i'm i'm tight you know my mouth is tight yeah i don't share nothing i mean if i was making a game if i was making a game i would go and find a super fan and say why don't you come in here and help us collaborate on this you know super fan that knows every line every second of the movie everything huge arnold fan and i could do the voice out call outs everything i mean you know this movie better than anybody making the game yeah i can find the nda i will just i just want to help out to make sure that this game when it comes out it will be a 10 out of 10 just kick ass and destroy everything and be the game of the decade yes that's my purpose i want a game to come out where it's like i can't wait to get one of these i'm gonna i'm gonna sell my children i'm gonna figure something out you know like i gotta have i'm gonna take out a home equity line of credit i want this game so bad like that's what i want that's what i want and i'm sure the companies want that too they want a game that they can't me yeah and pimple brothers is a prim it's it's only pimple brother now daniel and i know him he's my neighbor i sold games to him we have been friends for many years and i just wrote to him include me and he gets mad who told you don't fucking the the ether told me god came down and whispered it in my ear now i know and this is my purpose motherfucker so let's make it happen that's what should it was like who told you who who why is that important your mama that's who told me let me make sure this game kicks because i unboxed every game and all the 99 of the games i find something that just why did you do this right yeah i i i don't want to mention no games now but yeah you can see it on my videos but i just don't want something shitty on predator I just want it to be amazing. And if you're not going to accept that kind of help, don't get mad when we're pointing out, like, what the fuck is this? You know? I don't know. I mean, if that game is bad, I'm going to destroy it on my unboxing video. Oh, all right. Tantaki's Roof, get ready. Yeah. Tantaki, I'm going to – if the game – if the game – no, I have been waiting for this for 20 years. Okay. The last guy that made this game, what was his name? The con guy? Yeah, I forget. I don't know his name. He wanted 500. Guys, he wanted 500 bucks. I sent him the 500 bucks. Later that day, I talked with him on the phone, and I was like, I want the first game. And he's like, okay, so send me over 5,000, and you will get the first game. I'm like, all right. I just shipped him the 5,000, and then he just disappeared. Any day now. Yeah, any day now. But that's how much I'm burning for this game. Okay, Star Wars, Darth Vader edition, that's up there also. But Predator is just testosterone. It's man. Come on, man. What's it called? You saw my video live. Toxic masculinity. Yeah. Can you explain what is it exactly? Is a masculine man just automatically toxic? What does it mean in the U.S.? It's just like – it's just kind of like a way to encapsulate all the bad things about men in one phrase. But how bad? I'm masculine, but I'm not a bad guy. I love everybody, and I love women. So I'm not a women hater or – Right, right. What does it mean? I mean you need me to mansplain toxic masculinity to you? I guess it's the poor traits that reflect in societal norms that come from this overly machismo bullshit, I guess. From road raids incidents to sexual harassment to all kinds of stuff. The undesirable parts of that. We want to be men, but not to the point that we're overly degrading to women on purpose, I guess. No, no. I love women. I respect women. I know, man, if I see somebody being a shithead towards a woman, I will go ahead and help her out. I mean I'm not that guy, but I'm a man's man, you know, and I like that. And women like stuff like that. And now from the U.S., we're getting this toxic male masculinity. I don't get it. We don't understand over here. Yeah, well, you don't have a pistol on your hip though, so are you even a real man? I don't think you're who we're talking about. No one over here has a pistol on our – No, we don't have – Do you know what we have? We're talking about the guy with the fragile ego who like takes everything as a personal affront and then overreacts and like creates a bad time for everybody. Dude, I'm watching the news earlier today. Do you know what Denmark has now? We have got so many F-35 fighter jets right now. Next time America wants help to destroy a country, we are the first country that helps U.S., sometimes U.K. also, but Denmark, we're just ready. Next time they want us to, you know, help bombing a country, four minutes, we will just evaporate that country. We have got brand new delivered F-35 jet planes now. So woo, we're a war machine right now, Donnie. You know, World War III is really kind of starting to come together now. What the F is going on? They just showed it on the news. Now in Denmark we have got all these. We have so much bomb capability. I just want to play pinball machines. What the heck is going on, man? We don't know what's going on, but when we do, you'll hear about it here first on We Are Pinball. Email us at wearepinball69 at gmail.com. I think that's all the pinball news I got for now. Yeah. Donnie, I watched a YouTube channel that was called Twisted TV. They filmed what was going on at TPF. And shout out to that channel because when I watched earlier, that video had 12 views. So shout out, watch his video. So I watched this walk around and it seems like, now this is just a video, It seems like there weren't that many pinball machines this year. There were less than typical. I heard there was about 40 machines that were supposed to be there that got canceled. I don't know if it's the changing market. I don't know if it's the fact that there just wasn't that much hype this year for the show. Because a couple of weeks before the show, there were no new games that were going to be there. So it was kind of like, what's even going to be at TPF? Now, this is the show that a lot of people played Avatar for the first time. Definitely Evil Dead for the first time. Dungeon Dragons. Portal. You played it here first. Sorry, I don't recall that game, that particular title. So there was still a lot of stuff to do there. A lot of cool people were there, a lot of fun events and things were going on. So it was definitely worthwhile going. It did feel a little bit more vacant than normal. I've been to the show before where it was just completely just wall-to-wall games, like everything's in aisles and you can barely walk around. So it was missing a little bit of that. The homebrew section had half the games they did last year. Yeah, there were like five or something only. There was no Saw. There was no Friday the 13th. Those weren't here this year. So Pinball Expo had 40 homebrew machines. It was crazy. It had its own thing going on over there. So I think it just might be that for whatever reason, this wasn't the show with like seven new games coming to it. And so some people probably stayed home. It was still fun. It was still fun to go to, though, for sure. And we got the Harry Potter announcement. So eat and suck on that. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah. All right, all right. Donnie, you have to jump on those rides in Disneyland. Is it Disneyland or Disney World? What is it? This is Disney World, but I'm across the street from Universal as well. So really, there's like six theme parks right here, even SeaWorld, the portal of theme parks, if you want to go and play over there as well. Oh, God, I'm going to receive so many angry emails now. I don't hate what they're doing. I just am confused and don't understand. I really just wanted a portal T-shirt, man. Damn it. Anyway, on that note. this company send donnie a t-shirt i mean come on not p3 but portal t-shirt i'll send money for it man yeah oh my goodness we are pinball 69 gmail.com get yourself a t-shirt it won't be portal but it'll be a wop t-shirt i'll send it to you worldwide for 25 bucks that you can't beat that deal uh also you kick me a tip if you live in like austria or something it's going to be more expensive uh anything else you want to add here jingo i just want to say morgan morgan emery the Kid sister, welcome to the team. Thank you. Thank you for joining. Thank you for all the listeners and all Patreon supporters. I'm so happy. I'm doing this with a brother, Donnie, here. It's so cool. See you on the next episode. Absolutely. Peace out, homies. Smoke weed every day.