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The Pinball Show Ep 191: What's Next?

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 38m·analyzed·Apr 21, 2026
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TL;DR

Stern production updates, Pokemon success vs weaker year forecast, Yukon Yeti launch, and spring game rumors.

Summary

The Pinball Show returns after a hiatus with hosts discussing Stern's production pipeline (Pokemon LE delays, upcoming King Kong/Jaws/Jurassic Park), speculation about a weaker 2025 vs 2024 despite Pokemon's strong reception, Turner Pinball's Yukon Yeti launch with 500 units selling over half immediately, and rumors about upcoming games including a Dungeon Crawler Carl pinball machine and a mysterious JJP title expected in spring.

Key Claims

  • Stern built 5,000 Pokemon LEs and has likely already sold that many or close to it

    medium confidence · Zach (host/distributor) discussing production and sales velocity; claimed they made 5,000 and expects all to sell, with 750 sold immediately

  • 2025 may be a weaker year overall for pinball compared to 2024, despite Stern having a better year than 2024

    medium confidence · Dennis (co-host) speculating that while Stern improves vs 2024, the broader industry may not match 2024's momentum due to lack of major IP announcements beyond Pokemon and Yukon

  • Turner Pinball's Yukon Yeti sold over 50% of its 500-unit run by the start of Texas Pinball Festival

    high confidence · Zach stating 'they'd already sold half' at TPF start; game is their best-performing title

  • Stern's next Cornerstone game will likely ship in June with a teaser reveal in May

    medium confidence · Hosts speculating on timing; no official schedule for May, but expecting reveal around end of May with June shipments

  • Turner Pinball retained Chris Greener to improve Yukon Yeti's audio package after community feedback

    high confidence · Zach announcing the hire and noting it generated additional sales; Greener is described as highly respected legacy audio designer from Williams/Bally

  • Pokemon game features Insider Connected integration allowing players to collect Pokédex entries across machines

    high confidence · Zach mentioning players are having fun with this feature; community feedback indicates it's a new engagement mechanic for pinball

  • Flip N Out sold approximately 3-4x more Pokemon Pros to location operators than typical game orders

    medium confidence · Zach stating 'about three times as many locations, maybe four times' compared to normal location ordering patterns

  • A Dungeon Crawler Carl pinball machine is rumored/in development based on the audiobook series

    low confidence · Hosts discussing a 'rumored upcoming Dungeon Crawler game'; Derek (guest) mentions the IP is spreading in pinball community due to this rumor

Notable Quotes

  • “Pokemon was very special to have... It's not going to nobody's going to be able to kind of in my view... you can't be trying to make jank this into a way and make people decide that there's a scarcity that was never implied.”

    Zach (host/Flip N Out operator) @ ~1:12:00 — Commentary on secondary market speculation and why other LEs won't match Pokemon's collector frenzy; signals market saturation warning

  • “Could this actually be a weaker year than last year? And I think we're currently set up for it to be quite a bit weaker.”

    Dennis (co-host) @ ~35:00 — Major sentiment shift about 2025 industry momentum; suggests current release pipeline is underperforming vs 2024

  • “It plays good. I really like the way it shoots. It's refreshing just because it's not an easy shooter... It kicks my ass at times because it's super fast.”

    Zach @ ~45:00 — Pokemon gameplay praise; contradicts casual/baby game perception, establishing it as mechanically challenging despite accessibility

  • “Better than Whitewater. In terms of gameplay. The ball lock feature that they have is really cool.”

    Dennis @ ~1:32:00 — High praise for Yukon Yeti's mechanical design; comparing favorably to classic Turner game

  • “It's been 84 years... It's maybe 84 days. It's been a while.”

    Zach/Dennis @ ~2:00 — Opening banter acknowledging the long hiatus between episode 190 and 191; casual framing of production delays

  • “Do you want this IP and the majority of assets that are going to take a while? Or do you not want this IP at all? That's a fine balance that these manufacturers always have to decide.”

    Zach @ ~52:00 — Strategic commentary on licensing trade-offs; explains why Pokemon's approval delays are acceptable for mega-franchises

  • “They're still building those. I know that their plans are to do another building and add higher staff, scale up, but that takes some time... we're looking at two years.”

    Zach @ ~1:42:00 — Turner Pinball production bottleneck signal; 500-unit run at slow build rate extends to ~2-year fulfillment window

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyZach SharpepersonDennispersonPokemon (Stern)gameTurner PinballcompanyYukon Yeti (Turner Pinball)gameChris GreenerpersonKeith Elwinperson

Signals

  • $

    market_signal: Hosts warn that subsequent Cornerstone LEs will struggle to match Pokemon's collector FOMO and secondary market pricing due to lack of comparable mega-IP and artificially-created scarcity

    high · Zach: 'It's not going to nobody's going to be able to kind of in my view... you can't be trying to make jank this into a way and make people decide that there's a scarcity that was never implied'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Notable shift toward pessimism about 2025 overall industry performance compared to 2024, despite Stern's individual improvement

    high · Dennis: 'Could this actually be a weaker year than last year? And I think we're currently set up for it to be quite a bit weaker.' Last year featured Harry Potter, King Kong, Beetlejuice, Dune recovery, D&D, Portal, Medieval; 2025 has Pokemon and Yukon so far

  • ?

    product_launch: Stern production schedule reveals: Pokemon Pro (1.5/Run 1.5) end April-May, Run 2 Pros May, Run 2 Premiums May; King Kong Pro/Premium end April; Jaws Pro end April, Premium May; Jurassic Park Pro end April; Godzilla Premium/Pro in Q3-Q4; Star Wars Fall of the Empire Premium Q3

    high · Zach detailed production schedule: 'Next couple of weeks over at Stern Pinball, they will be producing King Kong Pro and Premium as well as Jaws Premium and Jurassic Park Pro'

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Pokemon LE units experienced parts constraints causing production delays; Stern recently recovered and released bulk LE shipments

    high · Zach: 'They had parts issues. Of course, there's always parts issues. For the last month they've been [building Pokemon LEs].' Further: 'they rolled out the specified specific numbered ones, and then they kind of continue to roll those out. But almost done'

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:13
Ladies and gentlemen, the time is now. The Pinball Show is back. I'm feeling all frisky. What about you, Dennis? I'm ready to go. It's been 84 years. Has it been 84 years?
0:24
It's maybe 84 days. It's been a while. Is that lady dead? Sure. She's got to be right. Yeah, sure. Do you think people visit her grave site? No. And say it's been 84 years. All right. Maybe. And they take the little the heart diamond or the hope dime. Hope. We all just have hope. Well, now that we can lab grow them, maybe we we could all have hope diamonds. Are you going to have a big diamond? Would you would you buy the fake diamond grown diamonds? I don't. I'm not really into diamonds, so probably not. Are you okay with the fake ones? Are you more of a I have to have the real thing kind of fella? Given that they're chemically identical, the word fake is a very interesting choice. You know, diamonds have a good bounce to them, right? Is there really? I don't know. They're shiny and look good. I had TPF, so we missed that weekend. You had Easter. We couldn't record on Easter. Yes. You want to know something funny? This is such a dad thing to do. My kids are old enough, Dennis and viewer, that it's getting to the point where they're like, oh, it's kind of lame to be hunting eggs. But like secretly, they still love it. And as a parent, secretly, we still love hiding eggs and stuff. This is gross, but this is me. I don't give a shit. So we Nicole overdoes it. She's like me. If we're going to do something, we overdo it and make sure it's the greatest. So she hides like 200 eggs for three kids. Holy cow. And but I've got to go out there, you know, wet socks because of the dew from the shoes. I hate my socks. That's a sight. No training down. But I'm hiding all these damn eggs and I'm half asleep. I'm like, oh, my God, I was listening to we'll get to that. Let's listen to an audio book while I was hiding eggs. So the kids are out there. They're fine. There are some eggs, Dennis, that are going to be lost, like Clark Griswold's Mother's Day present up in the attic since 1989. They're going to be lost for years. They're not going to find them because, you know, it's almost like a time portal kind of thing. What do they call a time capsule? Yes. I'm hiding eggs around our property. I don't know what's in them, but it'll be interesting to see what happens once we pull them out five years. But they were looking for him and everything. My 15-year-old, she's too cool for school, man. She don't want to hunt eggs, but she secretly loves it. And we were running back. They're all looking for eggs. I was like, hey, sweetie, I found one right here.

  • Uncanny X-Men suffered from poor first impressions that code improvements haven't fully recovered

    medium confidence · Dennis comparing it to Walking Dead, stating some games never recover from negative launch experiences; no future production runs scheduled

  • Stern has no current plans to build additional runs of Uncanny X-Men, James Bond, or Stranger Things

    high confidence · Direct production schedule statement from Zach, explicitly listing these as discontinued from manufacturing pipeline

  • “It's one of those that it's hard to get back that first impression. It's like Walking Dead's reputation... It got great, but for a lot of people, it never recovered from their first experience.”

    Dennis @ ~54:00 — Analysis of code recovery ceiling; suggests some games have unfixable reputation damage regardless of updates

  • “There's something about collecting and having a Pokédex and stuff like that... pretty much everything is going to be held up all the time by the licensor. The approvals are going to take forever. And that sucks.”

    Zach @ ~58:00 — Licensing constraint admission; signals code update delays will plague Pokemon long-term due to approval processes

  • “I heard he is on one hell of a... he's planning one hell of a redemption tour this year. That's what I'm hearing.”

    Zach @ ~1:04:00 — Elliot Eismin redemption arc rumor after John Wick; vague but suggests designer comeback narrative

    • Dennis Nordman
    person
    Flip N Out Pinballcompany
    Texas Pinball Festival (TPF)event
    Jersey Jack Pinball (JJP)company
    Godzilla (Stern)game
    Jaws (Stern)game
    King Kong (Stern)game
    Jurassic Park (Stern)game
    Star Wars: Fall of the Empire (Stern)game
    Uncanny X-Men (Stern)game
    Elliot Eisminperson
    Joelperson
    Dungeon Crawler Carlgame
    Insider Connectedproduct
    James Bond (Stern)game
    Stranger Things (Stern)game
    ?

    product_concern: Uncanny X-Men demonstrates that code improvements cannot fully recover from poor launch impressions; similar to Walking Dead's trajectory

    high · Dennis: 'It's one of those that it's hard to get back that first impression... It got great, but for a lot of people, it never recovered from their first experience.'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Pokemon's development will face extended delays due to licensor approval processes; Zach frames this as acceptable trade-off for mega-IP

    high · Zach: 'pretty much everything is going to be held up all the time by the licensor. The approvals are going to take forever. And that sucks.'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Pokemon praised for fast ball speed and smooth shooting mechanics that challenge casual players; contradicts baby game positioning

    high · Zach: 'It's super fast... It was faster than I thought it would be. But it is really smooth... A brick can punish you on that game because of how fast it is.'

  • $

    market_signal: Pokemon Pro orders from location operators (bars, arcades, etc.) were 3-4x higher than typical games, indicating strong position vs collector market

    high · Zach: 'For locations. We sold about three times as many locations, maybe four times [as normal]... If I had a location, I would want this game. Absolutely.'

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Turner Pinball's 500-unit Yukon Yeti run faces 2-year fulfillment timeline due to slow build speed; planned facility expansion and staff scaling to address

    high · Zach: 'They still haven't built all the Merlins. They're still building those... if they're making 500 units, let's say they can make 200 to 300 a year, we're looking at two years.'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Turner Pinball hired legacy audio designer Chris Greener to address community feedback on Yukon Yeti's audio package; move generated additional sales

    high · Zach: 'They just announced that they retained Chris Greener... He was Bally Williams' audio package... So they're listening. They said, all right, you got an issue with the audio package here. Here's Chris Greener. So that we got a couple more sales after that announcement, too.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Dungeon Crawler Carl audiobook series is gaining traction in pinball community as rumored upcoming pinball machine; spreading through listener engagement

    low · Derek: 'There has to be a little boost just with Pinball people of this IP because this is spreading in Pinball because of the rumored upcoming Dungeon Crawler game.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Flip N Out used numbered Pokémon variant badges and stickers to create collectibility perception; additional Ellie laser-cut badges for select units as differentiation strategy

    high · Zach: 'I put some stickers of the associated number with the monster that they got... So had a lineup of all these LEs and different like Pikachu and Charizard... And then we did those little Ellie badges... we just did that for like a handful just to show people like this is something cool you can do.'

    • 2:55
    It was a dog turd. And she went down. She went down, paused, and looked up and was like, I don't like you, Dad. I don't know why you're here. I don't know why mom still is dealing with you. We all have come to a vote and we're going to snuff your torch. You're off this island. But how funny is that? To make them to make the brain reach for dog turd, realize it is not plastic egg. It is, in fact, feces.
    3:29
    I thought it was funny. Then it gets dark. Well, it was brown. It wasn't like that dark, but it was. You want to talk about pinball?
    3:41
    We could keep talking about dog shit if you want. Dog shit and diamonds metaphor for boobs. Okay. We've covered it here. I'm happy to be back. You know what happens? I'm going to try to be a good boy. Usually whenever we take a break and stuff, I come back a little feisty. So it'll be good for views and for memberships, but I'm going to do my best to drive them away. Want to keep them calm? Get out of here. This is a happy place now. Happy place. Find your happy place. Stern Pinball is generally where I find my happy place. Where is the next game? I'm ready for the next game. I think it's coming. Okay. I think it's coming. We'll talk about that. The last couple of weeks, they've been building Pokemon LEs. Wait a minute. I know we've been gone long, but why are they still making Pokemon LEs? Don't you mean Pokemon anniversary edition? It's been a long time. Yeah, Pokemon LEs. So they had parts issues. Of course, there's always parts issues. For the last month they've been. What parts? Is it the Pikachu that turns? I have no clue. I have no clue. What parts hard?
    4:55
    Do you see the little mod with the tail? I love that. I just love that. I got that one ordered. But yeah, parts, parts issues, delays for the Pokemon Ellie's. Oh, man. But I think they're close. I think they're pretty close to getting the rest of them. Fortunately, we have all of ours out, so we're good there. But yeah, they rolled out the specified specific numbered ones, and then they kind of continue to roll those out. But almost done. They've been also building Godzilla Pro and premiums as well as Jaws Pro. Next couple of weeks over at Stern Pinball, they will be producing King Kong Pro and Premium as well as Jaws Premium and Jurassic Park Pro. Then at the end of April into May is Pokemon Pro. They're calling the rest of that first run, bullshit, that's a second run. Don't church it up. 1.5, run 1.5 on those pros. But then they're rolling right into run two pros in May and then run two Pokemon premiums in May as well. So I think the first half of May, we're going to see a lot of Pokemon.
    6:05
    And apparently a lot of Elwin. Well, end of April. Yeah, Elwin. We call those Elwin cycles. Elwin had a big April cycle there. Pretty much all of his games. And they're still selling well. Now, June, May, June, when are we going to see the next Cornerstone?
    6:24
    I think they'll be shipping in June. I think so, too, but I want to ask you, do you think they reveal in May?
    6:32
    It's gonna be May. Did you know Homeboy got pulled over for DUI during his world tour? Bloodshot eyes, poor Justin Timberlake. Oh, wait, no, I guess I did hear about that. Sorry, I didn't know he sang the song. That poor fella.
    6:48
    He's trying to be all coy. I was like, I'm just going to mess up my tour. The cop was like, what tour are you talking about? He's like, a world tour. A world tour? I'm a singer. It's going to be White Claw.
    7:04
    I don't know what he drank. It's going to be a field sobriety failure. He's like, I'm a singer. I'm Justin Timberlake. Why are you trying to make him sound like Michael Jackson? That's how he sounds. Poor Memphis boy does. He's got a little skip in the step, man. He's like, hi. You see, I don't know what he sounds like. He's like, Justin Timberlake in the coffin is like, what? He's like, yeah, I'm Justin Timberlake. Why are these guys driving? Don't, Tiger, stop. Why is Tiger Woods again?
    7:40
    Tiger Woods is so blown out, man. I don't get it, though. What is it? There's plenty of handlers. Is he just so tired of people? He's like, fuck it. I run this shit.
    7:53
    It's the it's the Britney thing. You get up to the top and then pressure, bitch. There's the pressure and then the crash and the burn. Handlers can't be with them 24 seven. I would get tired of handlers to get it, man. If you're blown out, just even it's even those that you would think would no longer be at that point in their lives. What's his what the Haley Jo Oswett a couple of years ago? Didn't he got it? He was drunk on a ski mountain. Shia LaBeouf. What's the last movie you saw Shia in? He's too busy, like getting in street fights in the French Quarter. That guy's nuts. That guy's nuts. Do it. But he seems like he would be fun to kind of like until he punches you. I was going to say, like, I've had some high testosterone lately. It seems like he'd be fun to fight if he's drunk, but I just imagine him spilling all over her out in the streets of New Orleans going, Boobaboo!
    8:55
    Yelling at that girl at the cafe in France like she's Megan Fox or something. What are you yelling at, bro? You put a bag over your head. What is going on with Hollywood right now? I used to have all spark. That's right. I was in holes, damn it.
    9:14
    Hold up real back. How do we get here? Okay, we are on. It's going to be May. We were talking about the Cornerstone. That's where that went to. Yeah. It's been a while. Sorry, guys. I'm not sorry. Speaking of Transformers.
    9:27
    So, yeah, I think we see it at the end of May. Now, June feels better. I still want to say I think we get the teaser in May. I'm going to say the teaser. I don't. Nothing's on the schedule for May, though. So.
    9:47
    So maybe May, maybe May, actually, you know, what's going to be really interesting, man, I'm so off the cuff here, but I haven't been recording and I don't care much about the structure here. Here's what I've been thinking. We've got a JJP game coming up. Oh, maybe we keep this for the Patreon dot com slash the pinball show. Yeah, remind me. That's what we're going to do.
    10:14
    J.J.P., it's going to be an interesting spring. January, February, March, April, May, June. It's going to be an interesting spring here.
    10:28
    You think so? I hope you're right. Oh, my God, yes. Zach, let me paint you a portrait with my impressionist skills. Last year, this time, we were starting, I feel, to talk about Trough Jam 2.0. And right now, it's more like Credit Dot 2026. Oh. Because it feels like Credit Dot 2026, balls are missing from Trough. Because it sure doesn't feel like we're anywhere near. Yes, Pokemon, legendary license, doing great for Stern, people like it. Other than that. Yeah, what have we seen? You got a little Yukon excitement, but not a lot. And that's about everything else was from last year. Beetlejuice everyone saw last year. There was a delay in Pokemon too. Yeah. So I'm just saying, Zach, I'm going to – the way you say that and the listeners are listening, but I'm saying could this actually be a weaker year than last year? And I think we're currently set up for it to be quite a bit weaker. What did we have last? Last year was big. Last year was huge. You had Harry Potter. Yeah. King Kong. Beetlejuice. You had an Elwin. Obviously, Beetlejuice is a weird one because it got revealed, but no one had it. Winchester, though. Dune and the recovery of Dune in particular because that game started slow, but it ended up doing pretty well. Portal for P3. Another medieval. Yeah. It was big. It was huge. No. Was it D&D? Yeah, it was D&D in January. Was that the January game last year? I think so. Yeah, I guess you're right. That did okay. No, it was a weaker year for Stern. I think Stern will have a better 26 than 25, but I don't know if Pinball will. Hmm. It's hard to match. It's hard to match last year. But Spooky is going to have a bigger year.
    13:04
    Well, we'll get to that. What? So it's going to be hard to pass Harry Potter. What's going to happen? What's Stern making in Q3 and Q4?
    13:13
    All right. Q3 is Godzilla Premium, Star Wars, Fall of the Empire Premium. Okay, I guess there's still some demand. Yeah, Godzilla Pros and Q4. So those are who know. No future plans to build Uncanny X-Men, James Bond, or Stranger Things. Well, Uncanny really fell. That's a newer one versus all these others. But I remember when it came out, everyone was super excited. It just seems like I've heard that it's gotten a lot better with the code, but there's just still a malaise to that game. Yeah, there is. It's one of those that it's hard to get back that first impression. It's like Walking Dead's reputation. I don't mean remaster. I mean like original Walking Dead, you know, It got great, but for a lot of people, it never recovered from their first experience. That's a great example. Code wasn't anywhere on that game. Yeah, that's a great example. And we're still not at 1.0 for Uncanny X-Men. Well, I mean, they did have to basically restart it. And who was the coder on that? I don't remember. I think it was Timmy originally, right? Wason.
    14:15
    Wason and then I think somebody came in. Did Tanyo come in? I don't know. All right. So Pokemon rollout and the LE delays we talked about that the rollout went went well. Things are freaking everywhere. People had a lot of TPF and reception was very good. It's a fun game. Well, yeah. What was your take on the whole? I need more time on it. Ultimately, they had them set up so that the ball times weren't very long, though. So, you know, and fan layouts can play hard. So it was challenging, but it was really easy to understand what you wanted to try and achieve with that, you know, crane toy. The Meowth balloon in the middle and all that. Very understandable layout. Yeah, no, I think everything we'd already talked about. Super approachable, colorful. I think it's going to do great on location.
    15:00
    I think I've heard, obviously I didn't play it enough to experience this, but I've heard a lot of people have been having fun using the Insider Connected and gathering up the Pokemon. Sure. This is a different way to play that they're not used to for pinball. So I think this is all a pretty big win for Stern. Man, it plays good. I really like the way it shoots. It's refreshing just because it's not an easy shooter because I was expecting it to be long, bald times. I was like, ooh, it's a baby game and all that shit. I had not had that experience. I opened up an LE. I've played that.
    15:33
    And it kind of kicks my ass at times because it's super fast. It's really fast. It was faster than I thought it would be. But it is really smooth. It's not brutal, but it by no means is easy. A brick can punish you on that game because of how fast it is. It's very fast. So it's a joy to shoot. I like that. We'll see where the code comes because a lot of people are like, it needs more code. It needs more code. So we will see. But the rollout was pretty cool. We had a lot of fun with rolling out the LEs and some of the premiums, but I got shit just because haters everywhere. But for the majority, people really liked the – I put some stickers of the associated number with the monster that they got for some of our specified LEs. So we had a lineup of all these LEs and different like Pikachu and Charizard and all. It was cool. People liked whenever they got their game that they seen their monster on the box. And we just tried to have a lot of fun with that. Some people got confused and was like, wait, that's great. Is that what Stern's doing? I was like, no, that's not what Stern's doing. And then we did those little Ellie badges. Did you see those? Yes. Yeah. That you've got laser cut. Yeah. And we didn't do those for all of our Ellie's. People are like, I didn't get one. I'm like, no, we just we just did that for like a handful just to show people like this is something cool you can do to make your game unique. So that went over really well. People seem to love that, too. So I had more fun with this release than probably any other release in my company's history. Just because there was something different about this IP that we don't get on a lot. And we've talked about that. Go to previous episodes if you want to hear about the collectability of this game. But I'm with you. There are some, if you want to watch some gameplay, Stern's done some gameplay video, Flippin' Out Pinball, we've done some, Joel's done a stream. I've done an unboxing video of the Mewtwo edition, number 150. And then there's an upcoming tutorial that Joel is filming right now.
    17:43
    But, so that's selling well. It's going to continue to sell well. It's going to be a seller for a long, long time. So how many do you think that they've sold already? Oh, gosh, I know. I have no clue. But we know that they made five thousand. Oh, wow. That holy. No, no, they haven't all been received. I bet you they've got five thousand sold. They will easily sell five thousand. Yes. No, I'm saying they've already done. That's what else are people going to buy? They can't. It's sold out instantly. That would mean that they sold just as many Pokemons as they did Harry Potter for an entire year.
    18:23
    But Pokemon's an even bigger franchise than Harry Potter. I don't know. I'd probably guess. Let's see. $750 sold immediately.
    18:33
    I'm putting a lot of eggs in the, I think, a bunch of the operator targeting distributors have sold a lot of pros. We sold just for locations. We sold about three times as many locations, maybe four times. I'd have to look at the numbers. Four times as many locations than we normally do. If I had a location, I would want this game. Absolutely. I guess let me qualify. That would depend on the location. But like if it was even like it's a little like 7-Eleven or something. Yeah, come on. Anywhere that can have kids. But I mean, even adults, a lot of them know Gen 1. So because that came out in the 90s and the focus is a lot on the 2000s, Gen 1, Gen 1 stuff. Yes. So that's all good. That thing's going to sell forever. I still think it's going to be a special game whenever the code continues to develop. There's something about collecting and having a Pokedex and stuff like that. So achievements need to come and everything like that. But from my understanding, pretty much everything is going to be held up all the time. Buy the licensor. The approvals are going to take forever. And that sucks. But you kind of knew what you're going to get into whenever you sign this IP. Do you want this IP and the majority of assets that are going to take a while? Or do you not want this IP at all? And you want something that you can get all the assets? That's a fine balance that these manufacturers always have to decide. And I think for something like this, because of the grand scale of how big this IP is, you have to do it. No questions asked. But for something not as high, then you question whether you want to do that license or not. But you got to do it.
    20:19
    Okay. So I'm hearing that Elliot Eisman, mechanical engineer, mechanical or electric? I think he's a mechanical engineer and recent designer of John Wick. I heard he is on one hell of a he's planning one hell of a redemption tour this year. That's what I'm hearing. OK.
    20:41
    Yeah, that's what that's what I'm hearing. Yep. We're are we going to get another upcoming Cornerstone LE market explosion from Stern? That repeat that we that we got from Pokemon LE. It would be very tough for it to match being matching Pokemon, but it but I could see them getting another Ellie that that sells out really quickly. But I don't know about like the secondhand pricing being like what this was. Again, it's not going to nobody's going to be able to kind of in my view and you can prove me wrong. I'm sure spoon feed people being like, oh, yeah, no Ellie number 37. That's the bumblebee edition. You can't be trying to make jank this into a way and make people decide that there's a scarcity that was never implied because they're not numbered in that way. So I don't – for that reason alone, I don't think so. And it's not as big as IP. But I'm assuming – and I'm assuming like a Transformers right now or a G.I. Joe or it's just like there's just not a lot of stuff where like Pokemon was very special to have that. Mm-hmm. So we'll talk more about that for all of you club members, official club members of the Pinball Show. All you've got to do is go to patreon.com slash the pinball show. And Dennis and I, we feel like this week, maybe we just kind of go through the industry and talk about some of the rumors that are going on. What we make of the rumors, a rumor corner, if you will, likelihood of them being correct. If they are what that means and some timing stuff that I'm finding very interesting as I'm connecting the dots with all of releases and planning production. Yeah, some interesting, some interesting correlates that are all going to be kind of presented on that. So go sign up today. And thank you for all of you that have signed up. I think we're working our way up to 200 people. Yeah, not the freebies. I appreciate the freebies signing on, but what the hell is the point? You see our post maybe? If you ever make any that are publicly available. I don't. Like on EGP, I don't. Even if I'm just sharing the episode that's publicly available, I only share it to the paid members. I don't push anything. And I get freebies over there too. I don't get it. But I think we're getting closer to 200 official members. That's awesome. So thank you, guys. Let's get up to 200 and Dennis will show you his diamonds.
    23:25
    You're still running with this. It doesn't work. Patreon.com slash the pinball show. Quick accessory stuff. They did, Stern was able to finally restock the Spike 3 interior cabinet expression lighting kits. So as a refresher for everybody, Spike 3 is different. They've got inside cabinet lights and they've got outside cabinet lights. We focus name-wise. They're going to throw in things like interior cabinet expression, exterior armor expression. All you need to remember and what I'm trying to standardize with this accessory is there's interior expression lights and exterior expression lights. Interior would make sense because they're kind of on the art blades or over the art blades and they shine on the play field and interact. Exterior is outside the cabinet where they would shine where? On the armor because that's where they're at. So they did stock up. They made more of these interior cabinet expression lighting kits, which I think are going to be very popular. For those who may not realize right now if you have a Pokemon right now you hit my lever and I dropped all the way I just went like bye The interior expression lights you can put on your Pokemon right now They're coded. Go ahead and add them to cart and put them in your Pokemon. Joel, we're doing a video showing installation on those and flipping out. Joel said that they're surprisingly very simple to install. So I think that's why they changed the style and design a bit on Spike 3 expression lighting compared to Spike 2. Remember, Spike 2 were more integrated into the side art blade of specified game, whereas these are universal standalone black bar top of the right under the rail kind of things. So restock those. And people have been waiting forever for Jaws toppers, not the 50 of those sold out, but just the regular Jaws toppers. People waiting, waiting. They finally made more of those. On to other news. I know last episode in 190, we titled it What is a Dungeon Crawler Carl?
    25:34
    Dennis, viewer, I very much know what a dungeon crawler Carl is. Absolutely. Want to know how, Dennis? Through the power of books.
    25:47
    Because, yes, the audio books, I received a new achievement. Yeah. Reward? Bitches don't get rewards.
    26:01
    I know. So I'm into the dungeon crawler. I listened to the first book. I'm actually halfway through the second audio book. I understand it. I get it. I'm one of those people now. Yeah. Have you got you? I know that you and Tony were potentially listening last TPF. Did you listen to anything this TPF Dungeon? Yeah, on the way down and back, we did book two. OK, so you got through it. Yes, I'm through book two. He's, I think, all the way caught up. OK, I'm halfway through the. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was at a there was a comic con here in Kansas City right after TPF that he and one of his daughters went to. And he got me a Glurp Glurp sticker that I can put on my water. Glurp Glurp Glurp. So good.
    26:52
    So for any of you guys, that's such a niche little IP. There has to be a little boost just with Pinball people of this IP because this is spreading in Pinball because of the rumored upcoming Dungeon Crawler game. Yeah, people are. People are there. I mean, it's my buddy, Greg Bone is already he's listening to them. I'm listening to my wife's always like, what is this shit that you continue to listen to? Like, you're such a nerd because every time she walks in, it's the biggest RPG moment. And I'm like, damn it. But yeah, I'm into it. I love that. And then the audio call outs, the the the voiceover guy. Yeah, he is fantastic. Fantastic. He reminds me of like a like a mixture. Who does he remind you of? I hadn't really associated him with anyone else. That's what the first thing that when I started listening, I started listening and he sounds like a Patrick Warburton. He has that. I could see that. I could see that. And then he has like a little bit of John Wayne. Hey, there, Pilgrim. And he's got the, like, Patrick Warburton, John Wayne. Like, there ain't enough room in this town for both of us. So he has that. And then, like, he has, like, a little sprinkle of something. I couldn't get it. And it's like this, it's like a little, it makes him a little, like, donut, like that kind of thing. And it's, I think it's like a little Jimmy Stewart. Like, you were going Jimmy Stewart or Don Knotts with that. Hey, I'm done a bullet, Andy. No, it's like, no, it's Jimmy Stewart. You're over here weaving webs and you're a little spire. It's like that Patrick Warburton with a little Jimmy Stewart. I don't want to wear it, Carl. It's ugly.
    28:51
    Damn it, donut. It's that much. I was, man, it's a good, it's a good audio book. Glurp, glurp.
    29:03
    Do you think – I don't know if I get through all – like how many books does it – I think they're ready for number eight to come out. Well, it's got to end eventually. He's not going to keep it going forever. Does he get to the 18th dungeon level? I don't know.
    29:19
    Does the author actually have it roadmapped out exactly how he wants to do it or does he figure it out as he goes?
    29:26
    George Martin. He still can't finish Game of Thrones. I know. Jimmy Stewart. I'm like, I'm just thinking of Jimmy Stewart. I love Jimmy Stewart. All I can do is make two different faces. That's his whole thing. He's just a wonderful, wonderful actor.
    29:50
    Patrick Warburton. You will not break me. Okay. Turner Pinball. Since we've had our last episode, Yukon Yeti was launched by Turner Pinball.
    30:03
    Were you able to play this at TBF? I was. Okay. Yeah. What were your thoughts? It was fun. It's their best game. I fully expect all 500 to sell. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they're already sold out. I heard at the start of the TPF they'd already sold half. Yeah, they're over half.
    30:24
    So, in a nutshell. The problem is a lot of people don't like the art and a lot of people don't like the sound. However, the gameplay, the gameplay is there. I've heard – Looked fun. I don't have enough time on it to say this. I have heard others, though, that have said better than Whitewater.
    30:39
    Wow. Come on now. In terms of gameplay. The ball lock feature that they have is really cool. I will push back on it a little bit in that it reminds me of the steamboat wheel in Maverick or the snagger in Jurassic Park Lost World in that it's very slow. And so things like that. I mean, I even get frustrated with the Godzilla building drop because of how long it takes. So, you know, things that are slow involving a very easy to make shot can become frustrating after a while. But the gimmick is really cool the first time you see it. But yeah, no, I thought it shot well.
    31:23
    It was fun, you know, playful, all of that. I couldn't hear it super great, but I could hear it enough where I understand why people were kind of frustrated with the sound package on it.
    31:33
    It's got a good 90s feel. I like that it's going to be a limited release, as you said, 500 units. Price seems good. It's under $10,000. It's like $99,000. But then you have to buy the mods and the upgrades if you want them. And there's like an all-in package you can save some money on. I think overall it looked pretty damn cool. I like some of the features that Turner Pinball put in their games. So it sold really well. It sold for a Turner game. They're still growing as a company. And it really did sell well. And I heard some of the feedback as well. We got a lot of orders after people played it at TPF, which is always a good, it's a really good sign. So people really, really enjoy it. Some of the downsides, people didn't like the art as much in the audio call-outs, but they just announced that they retained Chris Greener. Oh. Yeah. Just added to the team to overall that sound package. We haven't heard from that guy in forever. No, but he's very respected. People love his audio more than anybody's. He was Bally Williams' audio package. Oh, yeah. They got him. So they're listening. They said, all right, you got an issue with the audio package here. Here's Chris Greener. So that we got a couple more sales after that announcement, too. Oh, sure. So they're going to get a boost in sales again. So they may be closer to closing out that 500. The problem is that it's going to take them forever to build these things.
    33:00
    I don't know what their build speed is. Slow. Fair, fair. I mean, they still haven't built all the, not to bust their balls too much, they still haven't built all the Merlins. They're still building those. I know that their plans are to do another building and add higher staff, scale up, but that takes some time. And if they're making 500 units, let's say they can make 200 to 300 a year, we're looking at two years.
    33:34
    Turn into Jimmy Stewart. Looking at it, two years. Too many years. Right. That's a long time. That is a long time. Long time. That's like CGC time.
    33:47
    Snail face here. But it is what it is. I mean, it looks like a cool game. People will get them and it's all good. So that's Turner Pinball's Yukon Yeti. I want to get my hands on one. I think you'll enjoy shooting it. That's my take. Yeah, I like what I'm seeing design-wise. That was like the highlight for me. I like the design. It's like an homage to the original. Oh, yeah, definitely. But still, and they got Dennis Nordman to do that. It's not like they're mimicking a Nordman style. They got the man to do it. So this was... It has plenty of plastic ramps. It's everything that you should want. There's so much... It should have... The only problem is calling it Yukon Yeti. It should have had water in the name because there's so much flow.
    34:35
    Plastic flow. We could have called it tap water. Tap water. Well water. Man, did you ever grow up with well water? I did. I didn't grow up on well water, but my grandparents on the farm had well water. And so and it would I'd have GI issues if I even if I had the ice that they would make. So drinking drinking margaritas in Mexico.
    35:01
    I mean, I was like I was like, so I'm not quite that. But yeah, but yes. So there was I mean, well water, because there's not like a filtration system or anything. It's whatever is going into the well. But that's what I've had. I've had well water. Weird shit growing on me because of it. Who knows?
    35:18
    So congratulations, Turner Pinball for successfully launching a game, for selling a lot of units and for getting Chris Grainer and Dennis Norman, everybody. Speaking of the canary in the coal mine, American Pinball. I am a silver ball knight. I have foreseen what cannot be seen. What? Everything's seen transparency with the plastic. You're not supposed to analyze my dialogue. It's just here for color.
    35:52
    Okay. American Pinball, revealing Houdini 100th Anniversary Edition. Did you see this at TPF? From a distance. I did not go up and play it. From a distance. Sorry. Is that another Timberlake song? No, it's that's a is that a Streisand song?
    36:12
    From a distance. From a rum and coke in my. That's my favorite dentist office song. I think we talked about that. I always hear subconsciously drilling during that song.
    36:24
    From a distance. From a dentist. Limited to 100 units. How clever. Mm hmm. So they're like, look, we need something to build in between this and the next the next game. J-pop. Yeah. Let's go Houdini. Let's build 100 more. We've got some parts. Let's get Christopher Franchi to do the artwork to wow people. So is he not exclusive to. He was. I thought he was. Maybe this. And then I thought, well, maybe he had this in the can at AP when remember he was doing GTF and stuff. Right, right. Maybe out in the can, but then I don't think he did. So I don't know. So we don't know. We don't know. And then he's rumored to be on Back to the Future with Dutch, too. So I'm like, exclusivity is a loose word. Maybe. I don't I don't know what it means. The price is right on this thing. Seventy nine ninety five. And it includes new cabinet artwork. I wish they could have done the playfield artwork, but whatever. A new topper, mirror blades, nonreflective glass, shaker motor, knocker. So we get LE-worthy stuff here for $79.95, only 100 units. I think they sold out pretty much immediately. So I – and you – did you see this? Was it pretty? Yeah. Looked pretty.
    37:45
    Looked pretty. They had a – when they launched it, a little bit new company-ish. So they had some stumbles and bumbles whenever they launched it with like AI artwork thing, flyer. It was a bit of a mess. A bit of a mess. We do love our Robotech coming in to do our art. But hopefully they got it out of their system. Hopefully you get it all out of your system. I don't know. We're the next thing.
    38:15
    Growing pains is what they say. I don't. Look, that's all I've got to say about that. Yeah. What about their next plans? From a remake. That's right. They announced J-Pop is back with Circus Voltaire. Well, he's not back. The moment I saw they brought in the DPX guy, I was like, oh, my God, it's going to be J-Pop because that's the only thing he seems to bring to the table is anything J-Pop is a good idea. Yeah, I'm just saying. This is a good idea. There's a pattern here, a correlation and maybe causation. We might have both going on. Could be. It very much could be. They announced Circus Voltaire Reimagined.
    38:55
    The right one to do first, I would say. If you're going to do a J-pop, I would do Circus first. All right. We've talked about that. We have. The first is seven remakes. Good art and good gameplay. So they've got seven remakes coming. Yeah. So they're going to do Circus, Theater, Totan, probably third, episode one, maybe the fourth. I hope. I so hope. The fifth, I guess, World Cup Soccer.
    39:26
    And then I don't know what the other two J-Pops are going to find to do. The sizzle. The pirate sizzle. Oh, I forgot about that. I've never actually played it.
    39:35
    Nobody has. It doesn't work. It's like dry land in the sizzle or not a myth. I've seen it. Circus Voltaire reimagined. Oh, and I have to remind people that the most recent update from American Pinball, that Houdini 100th anniversary, they are shipping it in May. So that's coming. That is coming. And quickly, too. So but, yeah, they're sold through to dealers. Circus Voltaire. We have some info that American has given us to provide.
    40:15
    All right. They're going to have more details of pricing and allocation numbers for us dealers, but they're going to have two models. What they're calling a classic edition, right? Original art package, maybe some updated code. You'll get that remastered sound, video, LCD screen instead of a DMD. You get an LCD screen. So but very much classic, classic look, feel and everything. And then there's going to be a ringmaster edition. This is the reimagined version. We're going to have new Brian Allen artwork, full art package, cabinet, plastics, back glass, play field, all of this stuff. Custom sculpts, new scrolls that light up with interactive topper. I like the sound of that. I like my scrolls lighting up. Updated code with remastered sound and video, LCD screen, custom powder coating, custom shooter knob, magic glass, shaker motor, and a knocker. Oh, baby. So that's going to be cool. So it's feeling a little like the take that was done on Funhaus. It feels like it. Yeah. On this, like most of the reimagined, I think makes a lot of sense.
    41:30
    What's your take? And it's not meant as a knock on Brian Allen's artwork, which he's he's great at, but it's kind of a legendary art package. Do you really want to reimagine the art package on? I mean, like this totem and theater are kind of like beloved more for their art than anything else. Why? Why touch it? You see what I'm getting at? Yeah, we've discussed this. I'm always hesitant with some of Brian Allen's artwork because if he can – I like it when he stylizes things, but I don't like when he goes too far into his own style of things. Because he's not a – he has a style. Yeah, I would rather him – He's not just a chameleon. I'd rather him update and modernize the current art package than I would him reimagine himself that IP. I think the IP sells itself. We don't care about a circus theme per se. We don't care about the circus Voltaire. We don't care about that. The reason we want that is because it holds nostalgia. And that nostalgia, in a sense, is very much that artwork. That is the theme for us. It's a built-in theme to pinball collectors, which is why this, for the most part, probably wouldn't sell that great in general to outside of pinball general public because they don't know what it is. But for pinball people, we like it for certain reasons, and you don't want to change those reasons too much. Um, I, I think it'll be fine based on what I, we gotta be careful based on what I've seen. Uh, I, yeah, the majority of people are really going to like it. And I'm guessing that the majority of people that love Circus Voltaire will still opt to go this, this edition over the classic. Okay. Which is wild for me to say because I have a hard time thinking I will because I just – man, I really like remakes for remake's sake. I like what CGC does. You see, CGC, they've been at it such a long time. I feel they've really learned how – it's like, all right, what do we know people want? Bigger screen. Let's have – like let's add a topper. Let's add new lighting effects. Coding. But the art stays. The art, the layout, that all stays. And Attack from Mars wasn't exactly winning awards for its art. No. The art stays. It stays. And they sell great. And it's served them very well. The ringmaster, any guesses how many they're going to make? Or did I say that already? No, you didn't say it. How many should they make? Then I'll tell you. All right. So are they limiting both or just one of them? I think they can probably – classic, they're saying, is not limited per se, but they're going to have like a window to order them. Okay. I think this is going to be something where they'll – it'll be like CGC. If they want to go back to the classic edition, well, every couple of years. 750. Total? Yeah. That would be a success. Oh, yes. I think. I think that would be a success.
    44:42
    So they are – classic edition, we'll see. Ringmaster, they're planning on limiting it to 772 units. I think that's more than they – I think they should limit it more. It's going to be tough to know. Do they sell out immediately? Do they sell half of that? They will not sell out immediately. I'm going to say that.
    45:08
    It doesn't matter that it's a new owner. The company's reputation precedes itself. He not renaming American Pinball has not done him a favor. So you think the reason it's not selling immediately is because people don't know yet what they're getting with this company? Correct. I think I think that's most of it. It's a it's a haggis sphere. Say, OK, there's new money, but this is a company that has struggled forever in a day trying to accomplish things. So there's that. And then Circus Voltaire. It's weird. Do you is it an A-list Williams game or a B-list? What would where would you put it? Oh, I would have to have the definitions of each category. Exactly. But I would say it's A minus B plus kind of territory. Given its pricing, I think people would say it's probably A list. The problem is for circus is unlike things like Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars, Monster Bash, you're starting to get in the space where it's like it ain't the whole package. Like it ain't the best shooter that there is. It gets carried a lot on its art, kind of like Totan's in the same boat and such. So of all the J-pop games, the ones that generally we're seeing as shooting the best were Theater of Magic and World Cup Soccer. So, you know, I've just – again, I don't know how many people want this game because they loved playing it versus they like looking at it. And how many are going to be willing to buy it just because they like looking at it? Yeah. I'm looking at our interest list right now for Flipping Out Pinball. We have a lot of people on the list, and this list grew after realizing that American was making it. I think they're going to move a lot of units here. I know that we're one of their bigger dealers, and we're going to get a lot of units.
    46:59
    I mentioned that it was the right game to start with because I do think a lot of people, and when I say that, I mean like competitive people, respect Circus overall in terms of even its default rule set and geometry. And geometry like it's actually seen as a pretty decent game. So this was a good one to start with. Whereas when you start going into others like I prefer Totan, but but as a game, Totan probably plays worse than Circus does. Oh, yeah, I get that argument. When I talk to the owner, Brian Vincent, I have good communication with him. And the one thing I've told him and I'd be happy to tell everybody here is I'm very transparent in these meetings whenever I'm talking to these individuals. And he knows he he agrees with me that this Houdini to a certain extent. But this Circus Voltaire is his company's resume to future sales. If I've told him, if you were if you were able to release Circus Voltaire remake in a way that makes people enjoy the product, enjoy the upgrades, enjoy your vision of what a remake is, and it is built really well, and you're able to produce it in a timely manner. You will automatically sell all of the next remakes automatically, and it will be. It will be at much larger production rates than Circus. But there may be some hesitancy. I just told them that. There may be some hesitancy until people know what they're getting with this remake. We've seen remakes, like you said, Dennis, come from different companies, some better than others. And for the ones that are great, they'll never have a problem in business. Everything they release will sell and sell very well And I told Brian if he can find a way to make that first impression great his company will do very well with release after release after release And it will also build into his non releases too You building a brand at that point You building a company But it very important It's very important for these Houdinis that go out.
    49:22
    More so on build quality. If these things go out and they are built very well and they feel good, that's going to help your circus sales twofold easy. But if these Houdini's come out, there's a lot of issues with them. Circus may stumble a little bit more than it should. Everything on these new early companies, viewer, is contingent upon the next thing. Ask Spooky Pinball about that. Ask them that pattern of what they got they were in and then they got out of and where they're at now. Every time they sell a game, it sells the next one. They're in the best type of place. But if you're on the other end of that of that arc, it's hard to get out of. So he's got some great ideas and I like where they're going. I think this will do very well.
    50:18
    And I think people are really it's a fucking sexy machine. I can't say it, but it's a sexy machine. And I'm trying to figure out, do I want to sell? Do I want to get rid of my original? So it's going to be tough. It's going to be really tough. But if the if the code is cool, I'm probably going to have to.
    50:39
    I wonder if they'll let flipping out Pinball sell. Probably shouldn't be talking on air about this, but I wonder if we couldn't sell a classic with a couple of the upgrades from the reimagined. Maybe we buy our own 50 units, limit them. Brian's like, shut up. No, you're not doing that. I don't know, Brian. Maybe a good idea. Think people would like that? Possibly. Yes, I do. Yeah, if I was going to Frankenstein this, give me – I'm shooting business deals right here, live on the air, only on the Pinball show. Give me – I'll commit to fucking Shark Tank Pinball Edition. I'll commit to – do I go 100? I'll commit to 100 units, original artwork. Give me upgraded topper and scrolls, shooter knob, all the other stuff, but give me a dedicated power to coat color of my choosing and I'll commit to 100 at the rate that you're selling the LA's for. I was going to say higher, but no, not needed.
    52:08
    That'd be a good deal, wouldn't it? It's 100 guaranteed sales right there. Do you think I could sell long?
    52:16
    No. Oh, Dennis. I have to guess. You're making me guess what this weird-ass powder coat choice you're going to do. And I have a feeling you have leftover WWE powder coat.
    52:31
    I just think it's going to look like trash. I'd probably go with a metallic, of course. Of course. It would be green or purple, probably. It'd probably be whichever color he doesn't use for the reimagining. What if he's using green and purple on the LE remake? How does that even happen? One side and another side. Then I would probably go to a Chrome and mark it up.
    52:57
    How much do you think this LE is going to be? Oh, gosh, 12. You think so? I'm talking about just this general Ellie reimagined that he's making here. Yeah. I'm thinking about that, too, because that seems like what everybody's doing about 12. And then the reimagined or the classic edition?
    53:18
    $9,999. That'd be a pretty good value. I think so. I think you've nailed it there with the pricing. I think that's what we'd say. And then this flipping out edition. 12.5. Oh, God, no. It'd have to be more than that if you're doing chrome. No, I thought you were going with the WWE powder. I'm going full chrome. I changed my mind. We're doing full chrome. 14. We're going 15. 14.9999. Ask for a discount.
    53:52
    Manufacturers don't see it that way. It's weird how pinball manufacturers do business. Let's talk. JJP in the news. Steve Ritchie. He's up on deck. He's got a game coming. Yeah. He describes his next game rumored to be Sonic the Hedgehog as, quote, maybe the fastest game I've ever made.
    54:21
    Yikes, maybe you're you are a Steve Ritchie fan. I like a lot of stuff. What do you think his fastest game that exists is? Like in your experience?
    54:37
    Fast or flow? We have this discussion. Fast. Just speed. Stern Star Wars. I was not. I would say F-14 Tomcat. I was thinking that one too. That one, whenever I've played it, especially certain shots, it actually moves too fast for my eye to properly play. I actually don't like that. I don't like that. No Fear is probably number two. Our games that I feel are too fast for their own good. So if it's going to be that fast, I'm not going to like it. Terminator should be faster, but it's not super, super fast, but it's fast. What else? Star Trek is fast, but it's still – that's more flowy. It's more flow than fast. But I say Stern Star Wars because if we're not talking about flow, I think it has a ton of that too. But if we're just talking about speed of ball, there's a lot of speed in that. It is pretty quick. I don't think it's too quick, but it is quick. It's very fast. But the fastest – is that a good thing? Is that a good promotional thing? No. So that's bad. Steve, be quiet. It's one of those things. No, I think most people would be like inherently, but again, people are going to be like, does he mean flowy? Yeah, what does he mean? People like, I mean, fast is fun, but so fast that's like the Yagov shot and all that or whatever the guy's name was. You know, it's just like all of a sudden I'm just like, I wasn't even drinking and I lost track of the ball. Like that sort of stuff. Speaking of drinking and integrated, are you celebrating today for the people watching and listening on Mondays? I only ever – I played back when I was playing competitively. One time I played and I had like two beers.
    56:28
    And I normally didn't drink when I would play competitive pinball. And I was just like – I just went like 0-2 and was eliminated. And afterwards I go, when did these games get so fast? What's going on here? What is it with all of these games? Did you put two-by-fours under all of them? Who even spiderwebs? And it wasn't like I was coming fresh out of your pin bar and trying to adjust it from a five-degree slope up to normal, you know, six-and-a-halves and sevens. I'm Justin Timberlake. My world tour.
    57:04
    It's going to be flat. It's going to be floaty. Everything plays like genie at Zach's place. No, it's so much. It's true. Oh, Jeannie, one of the worst Gottliebs I've ever played. One of the most beautiful, though. And it has that weird little sound start.
    57:28
    And most of the time it doesn't work. So they say it's going to be a standard body with satisfying spinners. All right. So I'm liking what I'm hearing. Does that mean optos? Sounds like it means optos. I would think so. That's what everybody's doing for the most part. I think Elton John had optos spinners. Mm-hmm. There's been said to be 6,000-plus speech calls recorded for this next game. Is this Sonic? That's what I— All he says is chili dog. Does— This teeth. This round teeth.
    58:03
    What? Do they have lines from the movie? Meow. I hope it's just the first CGI movie before they changed the creepy-ass Sonic. Whoa. Oh, everyone's ready for it. The movie turned out okay. It is mostly just Jim Carrey chewing scenery, but. Yes, Jim Carrey's so good. I don't know why he did 6,000 speech calls. I don't remember Sonic talking much. And later games he does, but. But does he really have an iconic.
    58:36
    Nobody cares. Yeah, nobody cares. We just want to hear the ring sound when we drain. Do you think they get the music?
    58:49
    Yeah, sure. Did you play that game? Is that the first one? I was always a big fan of the second. I've played a few of the – I haven't played most of the recent stuff, but I have played remakes of most of the classic platformer ones. Boom, boom, boom. Gosh, such a great game. It's got fun music. It's not like Mega Man music, but it's got fun music. That's a good one, too. Oh, yeah. When are we going to see this next game?
    59:22
    Gosh, well, they've got so many Harry Potters they need to make. I wouldn't have even necessarily said any time before the fall.
    59:29
    Here's the thing. I'm going to say October, and they're going to reveal it at Expo, but. I think we may see it sooner. Really? Because let's look at their production schedule. Yeah, let's look. They were going to be making Harry Potters into, I would think, the summer and then a summer release sound like it makes sense to me. But we had some back orders of Flip N Out Pinball of Harry Potters. And we were informed by JJP that they're not being cut because I was like, they're being cut. No, they're going to stop production until the fall on Harry Potter Arcade and Wizard Editions. So we had some backordered and we were told those are not going to happen in April, May, as you had thought. They're not going to be September. I was like, what? That sucks. So I can only assume that there's a reason for that is what I'm saying.
    60:36
    Okay. Maybe we discuss more on the pinball show, patreon.com slash pinball show. It's going to be May, June, September. No, I don't.
    60:51
    Do you remember? Okay, here's a bet for you. Do I have a Sonic the Hedgehog in September? Assuming that's the rumored game. Do I have a Sonic the Hedgehog pinball machine in my showroom and or my house by July?
    61:11
    No. Spooky pinball in the news right now. Beetlejuice production update. They're shipping in like the one 2130s.
    61:22
    I'm doing my math, Dennis. And my buddy's over at Spooky Needs, too. I mean, they normally start to ramp up. It's always been their way that it starts to. I won't say necessarily exponentially, but it does significantly start to ramp up towards the latter half of the year. Yeah. And we're not there yet. We're still learning. They're still trying to figure out how to install the Deos properly. The one thing that they've been making a lot of machines, but a lot of them have been going to shows. I mean, TPF, how many people? I didn't count. I didn't count. It was there may have been more of those there than Pokemon. It was a lot. And those are outside of the numbered games. So they may have built one hundred and seventy five to two hundred by now, but they've built a lot for Pintastic. They went to Pinball the beach. They've went to TPF. They've went to. There's another show there that they that they took a lot to. So that's I think they're building a lot, but it doesn't seem as many with with that. So one 20s, one 30s. They're building some show games in there, too. I know that flipping out Pinball Joel's streamed Beetlejuice. He even had Bug on. This is about a month back, right? Right after our last show, but had Bug on and Bug talked about new modes, assets, and we've seen them now and licensed the Jumping Line song, which is beyond fantastic. So we talked about this in our Happy Hour Hangout last month, I believe. But can you believe Spooky Pinball doing all the right things here? They got the recipe, baby. They got the license people want. They got the art people want. They got the toys that people want. And they sell out immediately. The game is selling for $18,000 on the secondary market, not even shipped yet. And they still spend money to go out and get jump in the line to just to round out this entire release. Why do you do that? I don't know.
    63:24
    I wouldn't. Other manufacturers wouldn't either. I'm confident in saying that. Why do that? I don't have an answer. It's not rhetorical. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why. I do because they care because they really, really care. And this isn't like tie a bow on it. Everybody's great and special. We just care so damn much. I think it's a mixture of genuine care and wanting to bring people what they want. We talked about that. Remember, I was like, they get the secret recipe. Other people need to take note because they are succeeding. They're very just think of another manufacturer with more production capabilities was taking these same types of notes.
    64:16
    Getting jump in line was no easy task. I can I can I know behind the scenes. Believe me, when we knew that they were getting day, oh, they weren't getting jump in line. There was a very good reason why they weren't getting a jump in line, because financially it would be the dumbest thing ever to jump in the line on that song. But they continued to pursue it because they knew it was the right thing to do and they knew they wanted to do it and they paid dearly for it. They didn't have to. They're not selling these games for $18,000. Right. That's why you say it's the right thing to do, but is it really? Right thing to do. It's what we all wanted as collectors. I didn't hear a bunch of people saying I can't get into Beetlejuice. It didn't have jump in the line.
    65:03
    Yeah. Again, the game like sold out before it even was revealed. And then when people saw it, they're like, holy crap, this really represents the theme. There's a you know, there's a line between that you can jump in or not. That's does it accurately reflect the theme or is it supposed to be everything to everyone who loves the movie? And what I like is that that that this pleases consumers. I totally understand that it is so beyond necessary. Again, this is a commercial product.
    65:37
    At some point, I think it's like, why would you do this? That could have been money that could have been saved for the next game. That's the devil's advocate. I'm going to try that money could have been put towards the next game. Absolutely. And I think they're smart enough to know, you know, the budgeting on that stuff. But the reason I like this is because of the same reason I dislike a lot of what happens in this industry and doesn't do me a lick of good to talk like this. But it's the effing truth. I turn my nose up to a lot of this industry because people are only looking for that quick, short term thing. They're premature on announcements. They are they're creating products not for the revenue and growth of a company, but for their own attentional needs. This sounds crazy, but it's so true. I love spooky pinball for so many reasons, and I will sound like that spooky shill. But it's just the truth. The reason they're doing this is because they are one company that can see past the fucking game that's in front of them, the product that they're presenting. It's not about Beetlejuice. They're building a company. They're building a brand. And they see long term because they're young people, a young team. They're in this for the long haul. They're in this for the bigger picture. So I respect so much that they're like, no, we don't need it for this product. But this adds dividends to our long-term growth and the culture that we are presenting and the brand that we are evolving into. If I'm a pinball manufacturer, this is the kind of shit that I do all day long. It's the kind of stuff that I try to do with my company. It's not about delivering one pinball machine to a person. It's about that one person having an experience that translates into the next 10 purchases and their friends purchasing from me. I love that my competitors don't look at it that way, just like Spooky probably loves that their competitors aren't in many respects as well.
    67:43
    And I think they will. And I think they already have started. Other manufacturers already start seeing what's working. They're going to run with it. But I would argue that this is a move that says we're all in. And we're going to do everything we can, even if it doesn't make financial sense. We're in it for the long haul. This is a long play here. And it helps round out our game and we're proud of what we're creating. And we're trying to create a legacy here. And when people look back, this will enhance even more so their experience of one of the products, which is kind of our calling card. Like we have to put our name on this. Who was I just telling that to? That is Nicole, but I'm trying to think in reference to what it was. Oh, it was something we were printing for customers or something like that, and it wasn't perfect. And she was like, Zach, you're spending time on this stuff. It creates no revenue. It's actually costing us money, and it looks great. And I'm like, I know it looks great, but all I have to do is these two things, and it will be near perfect. And I can sign my name on it. I think that's what they're doing here. That's a good argument.
    68:57
    For the sake of time, I won't explain to you the holes in what you just presented. Like soliloquy. Spooky pinball. Keep jumping that line, baby.
    69:10
    All right. That next fucking game. I still feel bad for people because they're like, Hey, me, Ken, and Greg talk about this in our meetings. We feel bad because people are like, hey, just wanted to jump in there, send you guys an email to get in the line for the next spooky game. You know, I missed out on Beetlejuice. I sure don't want to miss out on this next one. And we're like, February called. And, you know, that's what a weird predicament we're in, Dennis, that their next game is not only already sold out. It is already right now. I can almost guarantee you that if somebody had a spot for next spooky game, they could sell it. For twenty two thousand dollars side unseen right now, I guarantee if I try to sell one, I sell one for twenty two thousand dollars, if not more right now, side unseen.
    70:04
    That this is why the jump in the line doesn't doesn't make sense. If they're not going to jack their prices and they're not going to increase production, there's no dividends to collect.
    70:20
    If they're going to be a 1,000 unit run company, then that's it is what it is. And you just need to be good enough to instantly sell all that out. That already means you have everything you would ever want. All that cachet, all that trust, all that love is there. It's already there. You can't have more love.
    70:40
    You can always have more love. No. It's not something people score on a metric like that. You can already, when you look at a game like Beetlejuice, you already see the love in it that they really cared. You already saw it. What was your take? You got to play that finally, right? Yeah. I like Evil Dead more, but it was fun.
    71:00
    But I like the movie more, too, bear in mind. So I have a thematic bias towards Evil Dead because I grew up with that. Beetlejuice I haven't seen in 20 years. Okay. Yeah. It was really cool. I didn't get Deo Mode activated. It's cool when you hear Deo Mode from the other games. That's a special game. Evil Dead's a special game. They're creating some special games. The next game is a very special game. Yeah.
    71:23
    They're doing good. Hey, Spooky, just continue getting those themes. Just continue.
    71:31
    And you'll continue to be what you are. We got to thank some people. Bunch of goats. At some point, I will own a goat. I will. I don't think so. I still want to farm. I do. Farms are work. It's when I give up on life. I'm going to Tom Green it. I'm telling you, man. I went through another birthday at some point. I'm going to have a farm.
    71:59
    Was Tom Green, was he the one in the Charlie's Angels movie remake where he calls Drew Barrymore starfish? Yeah, but they were married. Yes. But I just imagine you on this boat going like, I'm the Zach. Tell you what he's having some sausages. Remember, Freddie got fingered. I think I saw that once.
    72:20
    I love Tom Green. That was like my MTV teenage. Love that shit. But he's not one of our goats. He's not, Rodney. We got to thank you for being one of our lovely, lovely goats.
    72:36
    He's a bobcat though. Bobcat. I like the, didn't we have, did you like that artwork I had for the last episode's thumbnail? The bobcat and that puggle thing. It was creepy. Oh, shoot that fucker!
    72:53
    Rob, thank you for the continued support of the Pinball Show. You're our panther. I think these individuals are going to be getting the next spooky game. Yes. Yeah, they're almost they're almost a shoe in. They're a shoe in. Frank, my friend. Congratulations on your upcoming spooky pinball machine. You're our Falcon. Sink your talons into that. Charlie, ring my bell. Ding dong and thank you. I appreciate you. What do I have? Charlie's got something coming. Charlie. Is it a dune? Dooner Beetlejuice He has something shipping here soon One of the two William the dude My boy You my boy dude Love that man Yeah man it really tied the room together William got the next five spooky games coming out Adam I love you too You my papa Papa You are like papa He got a Pokemon Did his Winchester arrive He was getting Winchester Yeah, he was like one of the first people in the world that had Winchester and Pokemon and Beetlejuice. I think so. Yeah. I think Adam got Pokemon.
    74:21
    He got a cool one, a little plaque and everything. Good on you, Adam and William and a lot of them. Ted. Oh, God, Ted.
    74:33
    What do we do with Red October? I still don't. Something's not that well to bullish. I don't get it.
    74:42
    One Pin Only. That poor nickname. We cannot continue without a political officer. It's like Red October.
    74:53
    Can we just start going into like Sean Connery movies? Still want a Nick Cage movie. Let's do it. Not the bees. Oh, I'm still a face-off Conair kind of guy. Oh, no, definitely. Yeah. I want to take his face. I still think you could do a national treasure. Just you could go a lot of places. Davis. Thank you, Davis, for the continued support.
    75:22
    These pretzels are making me thirsty. The poor, the Costanza. You are the Costanza of this show, my friend. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but. I mean, would it kill you not to be so funny all the time? We love you. I wonder if Davis has got, Davis, what do you got coming? Messages, let us know.
    75:43
    Dougie Fresh. That's what Spooky Pinball's next game is. You heard it here at Caddyshack 2, ladies and gentlemen.
    75:57
    The last time I saw a mouth like that, I had a hook. What would we do without you? I don't know if Doug was – I don't think Doug – did Doug get a Beetlejuice?
    76:08
    I'm Justin Timberlake. I'm on my World Tour. Sure, I'm drunk, but – Why doesn't it happen? At this point, why don't they just drive the Elon Musk mobiles? Just have something – can you get a DUI if the robot's driving you? Well, I bet you can. I mean, you're not allowed to have fully autonomous cars driving you around. Like, you have to be able to take control.
    76:38
    I got this. Hmm. Or else Robotech fails. In fact, in most places, I think you can get a DUI just for starting the car. As long as you're in the driver's seat and the vehicle's running, it counts. Can you get a DUI for, I think you can for riding a bicycle, drunk.
    76:57
    I am not sure about that. That might – I guess it depends if it's on the road or not because people with DUIs are allowed to bike still. But there's also being publicly intoxicated as a general catch-all. But, yeah, probably. If you're on the road, I'm sure something would apply. Extra or so if it's one of those electric bikes, I bet. I want to see somebody get a DUI on Heelys. Those little shoes with little rollers. Little shoes. I did a little tilt because – like, can you get a DUI with rolling – with rollerblades? Do people still rollerblade? No. My ankles hurt thinking about it. Wally, thank you. I just need to know, Wally, what's it going to take to get you into that Yukon Yeti, baby? Come on. Do you want a Circus Voltaire remastered? He might. He's real big into the CGC remakes, so is he going to be into the American Pinball remakes too? Yeah, I think he's going to get the next spooky. He's in. You're talking in circles. You're talking like we didn't go over this already. Everybody in Discord is talking about still like Pokemon and what's next and all that. Come hang out with us in Discord. You can do so by going to patreon.com slash thepinballshow, becoming an official club member.
    78:11
    And we've got a happy hour hangout coming this Wednesday at 8 p.m. Central. Yep. Yep, 8 p.m. Central. And, yeah, for those at the Nordman or the Screaming Goat Club levels, come hang out. And I'm sure we will be talking about all kinds of stuff. I got some new bourbon, so that'd be a good show. Good show.
    78:36
    Oh, I'm so rusty I forgot about Pinball Market Trends! I like your style, dude. I'm already bothered looking at the notes about one of these. What? What don't you like? I don't know. Let's see. How could we make this worse? I have an idea. Let's put something in up and down. Oh, trickery. We've never done that before.
    79:06
    A bunch of nonsense. I mean, you make it all up. I've learned to sort of accept it. It still kind of hurts me, like fundamentally. Don't lie. But this now is just like, oh, my God, why even have this segment? Nobody asks for this segment anymore either. So turning up this week is Pokemon on location. This is going to be the next game that you cannot throw a dead cat at without hitting a Pokemon on location. You're going to a bounce house place, Pokemon Pro. You're going to an Italian restaurant, Pokemon Pro. You're going to, you want the breadstick or the Pokemon? They're going to be there. You're going to an escape room. I think we have three on location in the area already. They're everywhere, Dennis. People are even putting LEs on location. Holy shit. These things are everywhere. And so, yeah, but you're going to see them. They're going to be like the Star Wars. Remember, 2017 Star Wars pros were everywhere. Same thing for Pokemon. So they're invested in it so much so that I think you're probably going to see them in Costco this fall, if I had to guess. Wink. As a home addition, I think you're going to see Pokemon everywhere. And good. I've been having a blast with this IP. I think it's fantastic. But man, everywhere. Pokemon, especially like now that more people, Pokemon people are finding out. You're seeing them in a lot of card stores. We've sold a handful of card stores that sell sporting and non-sporting cards. Yeah, yeah, no, that, yeah. Gosh, Magic the Gathering places, D&D places, they're all buying Pokemons. I've heard some of those style places have accepted pinball machines in the past because people tend to be in those stores a while. Sure.
    80:58
    We've seen a lot of them in comic book stores. A lot of comic book stores also have like a pinball lineup usually. I could see that. Yeah. That makes sense. So, and I even like the little, just the little card ejector dispenser mod that if you get certain achievements, it'll shoot out a little random Pokemon card. Really clever. Nicely done out there. All's trending up this week is Medieval Madness Merlin Edition. I don't know why, but ever since TPF, we had an influx in sales. Numbers don't lie, I'm just reporting facts here. So MMR Merlins for whatever reason we have sold what it was like for two weeks after TPF we had sold more MMR Merlin spots than we had any other game. So it's just wild how it just kind of came out of nowhere. They are as a recent update they are shipping starting to ship those slowly. We got our first little bitty batch of that newest run of MMR Merlin. So you're going to see those roll out over the next six months or so. Unfortunately, trending down this week is Medieval Madness Remake.
    82:04
    Dennis loves the juxtaposition between this fully objective type data driven segment we have here. Numbers don't lie, Dennis. I need another month off. People love this segment. They buy the t-shirts. We sold a couple t-shirts. I got to update you on that. A couple of Pinball Market Trends t-shirts over the last month. I think people are like, come back. We'll buy your merch. Come back.
    82:33
    We'll buy your overfreshers. I'm asking for that stupid four-inch Creasel clone shirt. I do. I'd still sprinkle those out. I've still never fully forgiven that Pinquest dude for buying all my shirts. That's horrible. That's so horrible.
    82:49
    Forcing me to do the world's greatest pinball market trends ever. Oh, it was so good. It took a lot of time. I was talking to Ken Cromwell yesterday. We were talking about this content creation stuff. And I went back and I'm like, how long have Dennis and I been recording podcasts together? Did you know it's been like seven years that we have been between This Week in Pinball podcast and the Pinball show? Seven years. I always forget that we started longer ago than it because EGP, Tony and I just hit our 10 year anniversary in February. So it always to me felt like it was a lot later before we started, but I guess it really wasn't. I know. It feels like a lot later than when I started Straight Down the Middle, but it wasn't a couple of years maybe. It wasn't crazy because you started This Week in Pinball as a co-host. I was one of the many rotating guests. But then you were pretty constant for the last half of that show, I think. At some point, it got shifted and it wasn't the guests anymore. I don't remember. Maybe it was around the 50th episode in the 40s. So I don't know. But for whatever reason, the game itself, MMR, we have sold more than other games over about a month ago, two weeks, two week period there. But we're seeing a lot of them. The reason it's trending down, we're seeing a lot of them come up for sale, too. So I think we're meeting that saturation point where people are satiated with MMRs. Those who want it can get it now.
    84:22
    And I think we're not going to see another run of MMR probably for another four or five years. It's not needed. So we're fulfilling that. So it is trending down a little bit because people, you can get them now. Training up, though, is, again, this is, again, I don't know why it is what it is, just the numbers are the numbers. King Kong Pro, we saw a lot of King Kong Pros over the last month. Yeah, but usually those kind of things I would have thought premiums, but it was the pros. The King Kong Pro has been selling. It was a pro I encountered at TPFs. Okay, yeah. Not sure why, but we've been selling more of those than the premiums and more King Kong Pros than a lot of other Sterns minus like Pokemon stuff. Interesting. Same with training up this week. Star Wars, follow the Empire, say what you want. That's a game that's making a nice little comeback here. Okay. Ask the people that really like it and they will swear by it. The code is getting really, really good. Nice moments in that game.
    85:24
    It's still fan layout. It's still, it's fast. The Death Star shot that's fixed is nice now. You don't have to worry about that. But it's still Star Wars. And it's still jam-packed with assets. With terrific light shows. With moments aplenty. With really deep code. This game has picked up its pace for sales and finally it's getting its due and I think it will for the remainder of this year. Just wait. At some point people are going to be pretty upset they didn't get an LE kind of thing. Star Wars fall in the end. No, they won't.
    86:01
    I'm just saying, I finally got to play an LE at TPF. And? It played well. Okay. But, oh my god, does it look stripped. Like, Pokemon Premium looks premium compared to Star Wars LE, and I was like, hash grab. Holy crap, does this look like they really were just like, Star Wars people will lap up anything. It reminds me when Gary said that back when the Richie one came out and then walked back his comments. They could sell a box of lights labeled Star Wars and it would sell out. That repeatable shot's fun. So I'm glad that the rules are getting there. I actually think the geometry could be argued as being more enjoyable than the Ritchie version. I would argue that it was more enjoyable to shoot. The assets are in there, sure. But when you look at the game, you're just like, at least this was my reaction. I was like, holy cow. You could have tried at least, guys. Do you like the bottom pops? I think they're kind of cool. They're all right. They're chaotic. There's just nothing I would write home about other than it does feel like Star Wars. There's nothing I would like. And I haven't played it enough to be able to tell you like the rules or whatever. But I was just like compared to everything else. I was I was just like, wow, there's just nothing in this. They if the same BOM is in it, it's all under the play field because you can't see it. Yeah, it's too bad.
    87:29
    Again, it was an LE and I was just like, I'm comparing it to others. I'm comparing it to Yukon. I'm like, this is not fair. This is not right. Really? Okay. All right. That's right. I didn't see no fancy ball lift in the start. They ain't got no hyperloop. The Richie one. No, I don't think I'm stretching too much. The Richie one had that hyperloop which caught your eye and distracted you away. This thing, a Death Star that's one-fourth the size of Richie's Death Star. It's missing one. They don't even bobble because after the TIE Fighter on a spring, Stern knew better than to ever let anything be on a spring in Star Wars again. So instead you just get the static boring stuff. Pikachu is busy looking at you, like giving you the evil eye going pika pika and that translates to why are you playing Star Wars?
    88:18
    Pokemon Pro is more loaded. I'm giving Stern some credit for their magnet use lately. Thank you, Design. And nobody likes that magnet. Yeah, I do. I like that magnet. Nobody can save the ball with it, so it pisses them off. I like it. That's awesome. Also turning up this week is Winchester Mystery House. Talk about a loaded game. Oh, that game was super popular at TPL also. And UConn had the two longest lines. And granted, both of them only had two games. So that helped that up. And it was awesome. I was like, wow, this is a lot of fun. I told you, like when you're getting, it feels, looks special. Like it's a cool game. Yeah, no, I'm real. I was really impressed by it. Yep. Winchester Mystery House is trending up. It got a big another big boost from TPF. A lot of people walked away saying, damn, that game is fantastic. And it does continue to garner large amounts of money on the secondary market. They haven't built many yet, but I didn't. I mean, this thing was that I don't 16,000 there for a while. And I was like, that's not 18,000. I shit you not. You were 20 grand. This is kind of this. Remember, like that Pokemon Beetlejuice Evil Dead. They were all like, this is this resurgence of over MSRP games like the car, you know, Ferrari collector base or something, Porsche collector base.
    89:35
    Winchester has kind of risen above all of them, believe it or not, at $20,000 right now. The more games will come out, maybe that settles down as we're seeing with Beetlejuice, the more Beetlejuices are going down. Now Beetlejuice is, you know, falling into that $16,000 to $18,000. But $20,000. If you want a Winchester, it's going to cost you about $20,000 right now. So it's got to be trending up. On the other side, trending down with MMR, trending down Circus Voltaire, the original.
    90:06
    This is what happens. You can sniff at a game. Talk about trending down. Kiss was selling, especially the Topper, the LE. I've had one for sale continue to reduce the Kiss. Because just a sniff of a remake and it will kill the value in the short term, at least, of the original. So even if we haven't seen Circus Voltaire, even though we don't know what it's going to be in full, just the sniff of it has really dampened the value of the originals. I'm seeing fully restored ones for under 10. Oh, my goodness. So Circus Voltaire is taking a bit of a hit. Still a great game to get. So you're not going to if you get one cheap enough, take it. All trending down this week are people who call. This is a pet peeve of mine, not even pinball related, but I mean, this is pinball market. People who call three or more times in a row. You had this. This is a phenomenon that only happens to me. Why the fuck are people calling like when somebody calls and I don't answer the phone? Why do they think calling again 10 seconds later is going to change that? And then if you call the third time at this point, I'm probably just going to put you on my do not contact. Like, why are you why are you calling three times in a row?
    91:29
    Yeah, I don't I don't have an answer for you on it. I could see two. I could see them calling and then well and then deciding I should have left a voice message. And then calling back to leave a voice message. And I could see two. Okay. I'll give you that. Give you that. Three? Four? At this point, I hate you. If you're calling me four times a row, I hate you. That's a little strong for entertainment purposes, but I'm not a happy camper. All's trending down. People who leave a voicemail that don't tell you why they're calling you. What is it? What are we doing here? Why do we have the voicemails? What's the voicemail good for? Hey, Bill, give me a call. No shit, Bill. It's called caller ID. We've had it since the early 2000s. What? The late 90s. I don't need you to give me a voicemail I gotta listen to that says, hey, this is Bill. Give me a call when you get the chance. Tell me why. The reason I didn't answer in the first place is probably because I didn't know what you want. Tell me what you want. Is this fair? Am I crazy? No, it's reasonable. Do you ever leave a voicemail that says, hey, this is Dennis. Give me a call back. No, I do not. What's the purpose? No. Even with family, I tell them why.
    92:44
    Just pet peeve. As always, I'm just here to report the facts. Numbers don't lie, neither do I. I'm Pinball Market Trends.
    92:51
    Number one trending segment of all Pinball meat. Where can people catch you? They can always email me at collectedgamerspodcasts at gmail.com. You can email us at thepinballshow at gmail.com as well. Make sure to sign up to our club membership so you can get some exclusive content, private-ish discord, all kinds of fun stuff at patreon.com slash thepinballshow. Please follow, like, and subscribe. You're watching on YouTube right now. Please just follow right there. Man, it is egregious how low our numbers are on YouTube. So follow us there. Facebook. If they stay low, can we go back to audio only? Oh, no, Dennis. These lights are hurting my eyes. Weave your webs.
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    Flipping out Pinball Media like the YouTube channel. Joel just did a Beetlejuice tutorial. He did an Aerosmith tutorial, Pokemon gameplay, soon to be tutorial. The last stream they did Turtles game with Magic the Gathering packs opening. They're ripping some packs because TMNT has a thing with Magic the Gathering. Oh, okay. So they have their own series. So they opened a whole box of like a booster box and collector box, all these cards. So that was fun ripping some packs. I myself have done a Pokemon unboxing video and a how to drill out a coin door lock. Well, Mr. D.Y.I. here, Dennis. You ever had to drill out a lock? Yes. Yeah, not too bad, is it? Yeah.
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    People gave me shit like, well, you could have just picked a lock in the middle of the book. What am I, a thief in an RPG? Unless it's a D&D, it's better to drill it out. With D&D, it would be thematic to pick it. Oh, I said, look, that'll be another video. We'll do that. I did buy a lock pick set. Locks are so cheap. Just drill it. Yeah, I mean, but it goes back to like if you're trading in a game, people, why are these people always forgetting keys? They forget the keys. They forget the power cords, the pinball. I have two people recently. If you're this guy, just know I am busting your pinballs. Absolutely. I'm going to give you a hard time here. I've had two people now instead of just owning up to like shit. I took out the pinballs whenever I was wrapping it up and I forgot to put it back in. They doubled down and they're like, oh, yeah, I didn't know you. Yeah, I just didn't know you wanted would want them.
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    Why wouldn't I want the pinballs? That's how you play the game. I didn't know you'd want the pinball. There are people that think that they have to change their pinballs out every year. Like it's just why wouldn't I want the pinballs?
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    Because I thought you wanted to put new fresh ones in. Flipping Out Pinball Podcast with Ken and Greg. Go check that out and follow like and subscribe. Dennis, teach these people a little something something. Pinball manufacturers, Dennis here.
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    If you're going to do remakes, I just want to I just want to emphasize this. I urge great caution with redoing the artwork, especially when the games are iconic artwork games. So just really take a real close look. Get out that mirror, that little pocket mirror that you've got, and gaze into it and ask yourself, am I doing the right thing here? Or am I trying to remake Citizen Kane and everyone's going to hate me for it? So don't do that. Rosebud. And always, practice safe pinball and... Hey, Bertie, it's me. It's going to be May. It's going to be... You know who I am? Justin Timberlake. My world tour. God damn it, don't it?